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The Big Blue Daily Mail -- The Roster is Near Completion

Soon we will know if we'll be seeing this picture again next year.

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Soon we will know if we'll be seeing this picture again next year.

As the deadline for the NBA draft "in or out" grows near, UK's roster is getting very near completion.  It has been an excruciating process this year, and frustrating for fans and no doubt players as well.

I said before I would comment on the Galloway situation, and I will now do so.  I am on record has having opposed the forced departure of any of the players, but particularly the senior players.  Many people, after it was revealed that Kevin Galloway would not be returning, pointed to a qualification allegedly in the record that Calipari agreed not to non-renew the scholarships of four-year seniors, not all seniors.  If so, I consider those weasel-words -- there is no real difference between the two.  It is almost impossible for a junior to transfer into a good situation for him.  It does happen (Marvin Stone may have actually helped himself transferring from UK to Louisville), but it is extremely rare.  That is the root of my objection.

Today, the Herald-Leader has an article about his departure that sheds about as much light on this situation as we can ever  expect to actually see in the mainstream media.  Kevin Galloway says that Calipari did not kick him off the team, but rather explained to him that staying on the UK bench with little playing time would not enhance his NBA dream.  While I hate to see this happen, this could optimistically be classified as a "voluntary" departure, if Galloway is to be believed.

Star-divide

As far as Matthew Pilgrim is concerned, I am not nearly as troubled -- he has two years to go and UK not honoring its commitment to him should free him to have his year in residence here restored at his next destination, and an appeal for immediate playing time seems more likely than not to be granted, plus being that much closer to a college degree.  It seems that he should easily be able to obtain significant playing time on the D-I level, perhaps enough to get some NBA interest, and should easily be able to obtain a college degree with at least two and possibly three additional years in school (though only two as an eligible player), depending on the NCAA.  The worst thing is, he apparently had the rug pulled out from underneath him -- no pretension of a "voluntary" departure, this was just basically a "Sorry, we no longer have a need for your services."

Galloway's case is different -- he has at most one year of eligibility left.  Not only that, the difficulty of actually obtaining a college degree after shuffling around to what could be four different schools seems unreasonably difficult, and even though we may in reality be playing a game of make believe when it comes to "student athletes," Galloway's departure has the additional effect of making it less likely he will ever obtain a degree against which he has already done significant work.  I hate that, and it rubs me very much the wrong way.  Sure, it is still possible it will happen -- but I fear it will be much harder now than it was, and therefore less likely.

I will pass no judgment on Galloway's professional ambitions, but I will point out that he has major holes in his game (no left hand, no jump shot, average basketball IQ) that will make his road to making a living off the dribble.  That's not Calipari's problem, and in reality, I agree with the assessment that Galloway's chances of playing professionally will not be best served by sitting on the bench next year.  The question is, is the hit to his graduation chances worth the trade-off?  Apparently, Galloway thinks so, and in the end, his is the only vote that matters.  We are left to guess what would have happened if Galloway had refused to transfer, but the jaded among us won't have any trouble reaching that conclusion.

In the final analysis, I am once again placed in the position of becoming a scold (and believe me, that is tempting) or accepting the reality of the situation and moving on.  Once again, I will choose a compromise, accepting this as part of the whole unpleasant transition mess while remembering it against the possibility of future transgressions.  In other words, Calipari gets less latitude from me than before, and if this becomes a pattern with him, he can expect to read all about it right here.  But for now, as before, I am going to hold my nose and take the Alfred E. Neuman stance.

What, me worry?  Nah.  Now for the news.

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The Daily Schadenfreude

  • Jurick not returning to Vols
    Tennessee lost a scholarship, apparently over a low APR in men's basketball. Not only that, with Tyler Smith returning, they will also be over the limit. Heh.

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Pilgrim

i have read (elsewhere) that NCAA will look favorably upon a waiver if he transfers to Cincy or Xavier (hometown schools) and Hampton (former school) to allow him to play in 2009-10.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 14, 2009 12:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully, Coach Cal had private knowledge of a Meeks return and was making room ....

when he alerted K.G. & M.P. to go elsewhere for next season. I thank both players and wish both players
success in their futures. I also hope 40 is correct about a waiver for M.P. . In addition, I agree with Tru about K.G.’s increasing difficulty to earn an undergrad degree given all the moves in his college history. Finally, it will be even uglier if Meeks decides to stay in the NBA draft.

by blue oregon on Jun 14, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly, I believe I will think more of coach

if Meeks does not return. If he sat Galloway down and told him he was not the type of player that was going to play either way, Meeks or no Meeks, it means that Galloway was telling the truth and that he talked to him like a man, and it was not about making room. That to me is more important.

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Jun 15, 2009 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He sure made it sound that way

Then again, he could be putting up a good front. I dont think we will know for a long time, but Galloway was enough of a man to go along with it in the press, so I won’t argue the point. I just think there should be more of this acting like grown men stuff. It’s refreshing.Sure made me respect Galloway even more.

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by ALLBLUCAT on Jun 15, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pittsburg article

is the story that every one needs to be talking about.

Happy Days are here again The sky is all ways BLUE again Happy days are here again !

by oldcat70 on Jun 14, 2009 1:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Post-Gazette is consistently excellent.

The only newspaper I read for the first 18 years of my life. I still make sure to check its web site daily.

Gerry Dulac is well-informed and knowledgeable about several sports, especially pro football. Great article.

by mrmondaynite on Jun 14, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Post-Gazzette

Terrific piece!!

Why has a piece like that not been done by any of the local papers?

The only problem I have with the article — UK wasn’t 24-11 last year.

by Ken Howlett on Jun 14, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jon Hood

I have nothing to support my worries here besides hype about the incoming class, but I’m concerned he’s going to get lost in the shuffle of the national stage blue-chippers, for at least this coming season.
On the other hand, since he didn’t have a highly-publicized recruitment (he was always going to UK, to my knowledge), didn’t wait until the last minute to sign/announce, etc., many people don’t know about him and forget how good he is. He will play, even with an incoming class of this caliber.

I can already tell he’ll be a 3 or 4 year player who will be one of my favorites. I love getting KY kids because it doesn’t happen as often these days.

by mrmondaynite on Jun 14, 2009 2:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A lot of freshmen don't have big years

I don’t know that I ever expected Hood to be a big standout on the team.

I agree that he’ll have a nice 4 year career here. I could see him having a career much like Jeff Sheppard, which wouldn’t be bad at all.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Jun 15, 2009 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just a Thank You

I am new to the board and really appreciate all the information . I take my cats very serious.I can remember sitting on the floor behind the radio and adjusting the antenna during games. When i got older Dr. Singletary kept us in tickets. From A2 to Weasel, I enjoy listening to everyone. Even Hoze. Sometimes he makes you think.

"SPORTS"--Not interested----"CATS"--Pull up a chair,I've got all night.

by kydamcat on Jun 14, 2009 4:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Welcome to ASoB

From your email address we are neighbors.

Happy Days are here again The sky is all ways BLUE again Happy days are here again !

by oldcat70 on Jun 14, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sledd Creek--Off Ridge Rd

Oldcat; I thought we were neighbors.These last two months has me acting like an expectant father,I am a bundle of nerves. I am walking around in small circles and talking to myself. Normally you can’t get any more laidback than I am. I think we should play our first game today. Please excuse my typing.

"SPORTS"--Not interested----"CATS"--Pull up a chair,I've got all night.

by kydamcat on Jun 15, 2009 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kydamcat, I had the same e-mail address

until the ice storm. I now us ATT. I’m between Sharpe and Palma. Welcome again!

Happy Days are here again The sky is all ways BLUE again Happy days are here again !

by oldcat70 on Jun 15, 2009 2:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Welcome

kydamcat, To ASoB, the best on the net. I’m in Paducah.

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro...Hunter S. Thompson

by UK72CatFan on Jun 15, 2009 7:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for reading.

We are glad to have you with us.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Jun 14, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Galloway and Pilgrim,

All we can really say to these two young men is thank you and I’m sorry. Wish we’d have got to see you play some Matt, think you could have been a good one. Enjoyed you Kevin, wish you all the luck. The biggest thing where all of this is concerned is if Pilgrim turns into a dandy somewhere else?! And Liggins doesn’t here. Can’t wait for the season to start! Some of the luster is off, but I’m still overly excited about C-Cal and the team next year. Especially if Jodie comes back. Believe we’ll have a winner. One that can challenge for the title next year. Hope to see us put some distance between us and NC on the all-time win list. They’ve gotten a little too close. Could someone investigate Roy sometime soon? Just kidding.

Food for thought: The virgin birth has much more to do with the absense of a natural earthly father then the use of a virgin mother. Now, chew.....Because, it's called a "corrupt seed", not a "corrupt egg"!

by blubloodcatfan on Jun 14, 2009 4:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

My guess is Cal chose two to leave

for one of two reasons either (1) he’s confident that Jodie will return to UK or (2) he’s unsure at this point and didn’t want one player (either Galloway or Pilgrim) to feel like they were “chopped liver” if Jodie does decide to comback.

I can see Tru’s point about keeping the seniors … I hope this is just part of the transition process and not a regular occurence – that would be bad.

by ukcris on Jun 14, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How convenient.

To paraphrase the thoughts of most on this board in regards to booting players off the team:


Yea, it’s bad, but I’ll give good ole Cal a pass. But if he does it again, I’ll be really, really mad.

Wrong is wrong, folks. You can do it one year, or you can do it every year…no difference. Sad.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Jun 14, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not Wrong

Calipari said (over a month ago) UK would have 12 or 13 players on scholarship.

The “or 13” then was clearly referring to Jodie Meeks.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 14, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You have to expect

things in a transition year that you would not do as a regular part of your program. Yes, still sad but not wrong.

by mark12kentucky on Jun 14, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes.

Wrong is wrong.

At the end of the day, though, the first of us who has not sacrificed our principles on the altar of expediency can stand up and be canonized.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Jun 14, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No excuses, just expectations.....Cal is doing just exactly

what he said he would do when he was hired….no less…..sounds like you are beating on that poor old dead horse again Hoze

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Jun 15, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Wildcats

The real question, with or without Meeks, has little to do with the talent level (we already know it is extremely high). Rather it has everything to do with whether the Wildcat players can become the Wildcats! We’ve seen many teams with a lot of talent struggle because of a lack of unity. I look forward to seeing how this team comes together much more than watching the individual players. It’s gonna be fun!

by mark12kentucky on Jun 14, 2009 5:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Tomorrow

Tomorrow, tomorrow, we love ya, tomorrow!! One more day my friend, then we get something else to talk about for a while. I think we’ll fill up our scholly limit tomorrow.

Food for thought: The virgin birth has much more to do with the absense of a natural earthly father then the use of a virgin mother. Now, chew.....Because, it's called a "corrupt seed", not a "corrupt egg"!

by blubloodcatfan on Jun 14, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes ,, it's time to change the subject

This is similar to the John Wall situation … fingers crossed waiting/discussing/speculating, waiting/discussing/speculating …. then repeat again until done. But not for quite as long.

I think Jodie made a good impresson on a lot of NBA people and that had to be at least one of his objectives going in. In some ways, I think he feels like there is unfinished business for him at UK. He’s been through alot here … injuries, coaching changes, setting records etc… Hopefully, now he’s ready to concentrate on the NC …

by ukcris on Jun 14, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pleasant Surprise

For me an unexpected and gratifying outcome of the roster moves was the continuing eligibility of DeAndre Liggins. I have no idea how he’ll progress in the Calipari system but the mere fact that he’ll continue his education is a plus.

"[T]he opinion which gives to the judges the right to decide what laws are constitutional and what not, not only for themselves, in their, own sphere of action, but for the Legislature and Executive also in their spheres, would make the Judiciary a despotic branch."

--Thomas Jefferson, letter to Abigail Adams, 11 September 1804

by Wild Weasel on Jun 14, 2009 6:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A question for those in the know

Is a university required to provide an academic scholarship for players that have had their athletic scholarship no renewed? If not, they should.

by hoboat33 on Jun 14, 2009 6:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That's a good question, and I agree that schools should.

However, even if they were to be given an academic scholarship in lieu of being “released” from an athletic scholarship, the majority of guys with athletic eligibility left would probably not accept the academic scholarship and go elsewhere to continue playing their sport to maintain and continue their professional aspirations.

For example, if we offered Kevin Galloway an academic scholarship, I doubt he would take it, even though he has little eligibility left.

Also – let’s be honest – if you did give a “released” player an academic scholarship, there are no guarantees that he’ll maintain the required GPA to keep the scholarship. It was 3.3 when I was at UK (graduated 2 years ago). That’s not impossible, but it’s not easy, either.

by mrmondaynite on Jun 14, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For atheletes

I’d like to see them have an open-ended scholarship to pursue anytime over the next 5-10 years so that if their pro dreams crash and burn they have the opportunity to come back to school to finish their degree. This would also help those players that attend school for four years without really putting together a viable degree such as the Bachelor of General Studies, otherwise known as the BlueGrass Special.

by hoboat33 on Jun 14, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What if someone gets and Engineering degree...

and their professional plans right out of school crash and burn? Should they be allowed to come back over the next 5-10 years on an “open-ended scholarship” ?

by mrmondaynite on Jun 14, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you opposed to athletes having the chance at obtaining a degree beyond the limit of 4 years?

We have neither the time or knowledge on this site to speculate on every little permutation and “what if”. I just don’t think players like Gal that have had to jump colleges should have their chance at an education suffer because of the small window of time to pursue athletic dreams.

by hoboat33 on Jun 14, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm just talking about their athletic aspirations going up in smoke

That is the initial reason they initially go to a school and if the athletic future doesn’t pan out, they should have the opportunity to get a degree which assures them a better chance of leading a productive life. There’s no guarantees, but it helps.

by hoboat33 on Jun 14, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They do have a program like that at UK

Athletic Association funds have a program set up to help former Cats get their degree. I don’t recall who I read about getting their degree a couple years ago… but I do know that its there for them.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Jun 15, 2009 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Allen Edwards And Dale Brown

They are 2 ex-Cats who recently got UK degrees with $ from that (Cawood Ledford Scholarship) program

by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 15, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Dale Brown was the one I was thinking of

Glad to know that Edwards finished up too.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Jun 15, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sean Woods is another.

All of those guys are in coaching now, and you have to have a degree to coach at the Div. I level.

by Ken Howlett on Jun 15, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Glad to hear it.

Thanks for the info, my faith is restored.

by hoboat33 on Jun 15, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Must Qualify For Academic Scholarship

Galloway (and the others) cannot qualify.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 14, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

System could be fixed to accomodate all of this....but the NCAA

would die first….

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by ALLBLUCAT on Jun 14, 2009 6:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No....its an NCAA thing....lol....

I wouldnt understand…..lol

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by ALLBLUCAT on Jun 14, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jodie we're waiting for ya!!!

 With baited breath, baby!!!

"Get your facts first, then you can distort them as much as you please."...Mark Twain.

by KYCatwoman on Jun 14, 2009 8:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"baited"

Hrmmm…

I don’t know if I’m waiting with a fish smell on me…

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Jun 15, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WAS THAT A MIS-SPELL???

AS LIKE ABOVE???

"Get your facts first, then you can distort them as much as you please."...Mark Twain.

by KYCatwoman on Jun 15, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Announcement

will probably be made by Megan Calipari’s facebook. j/k

by cthom on Jun 14, 2009 8:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nah...

Just look for the heavens to open up, and a choir of angels to sing the announcement. :-)

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Jun 14, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When it comes to UK

it is always heavenly.

I want to die while asleep like my grandfather,
not screaming in terror like the passengers in his car.

by bluecrip on Jun 15, 2009 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Glad to hear that you have finally "seen the light" Hoze

I have been trying to tell you that UK is being monitored by the Almighty…..lol…..so…..any pre-season spread numbers you wanna talk about?? ;-)….I am of the opinion you guys may already be an 8pt underdog….

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Jun 15, 2009 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

here we go again

the " door ", the "wall ", and now Jodie……I need a valium

by Bluehound on Jun 14, 2009 9:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Tru, I can appreciate your

enthusiasm for tradition, and your sense of what’s wrong and right. And I know from reading your past blogs on all of the relevant subject material, that you feel like you are justified in any criticism of coaches for not doing “the right thing”. I will not argue the points either way, except to say that this was a terrible situation, that called for drastic measures to be taken. I do not expect a pass for Coach Cal, anymore than I do not think that Coach expects one for himself. Just remember this, the man was handed a lump of coal, he is squeezing as hard as he can to get it to diamond stage.

Now I know that a lot of people would have rather he squeezed the players we had (some of them), but you do not make orange juice with grapefruits, you make grapefruit juice. Now both are good for you and look really nice in the glass, but one tastes a lot sweeter than the other, and goes down easier. It may be a bad analogy, but the man is doing his best. We have to at least respect that.

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Jun 15, 2009 9:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Signing Jucos and Transfers

is a bad practice. And it is at the root of the issues Calipari is dealing with. We all should expect the university to act honorably and responsibly with respect to its athletes, but the athletes also have to take responsibility for their own choices and decisions. It seems to me that all concerned have acted reasonably and with dignity in a tough situation. I hope Cal minimizes the number of jucos and transfers.

by Fortunatus on Jun 15, 2009 1:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dont tell that to Darnell Dodson

it kind of goes back to the old saying, “There’s nothing wrong with a little shooting as long as the right people get shot!”…..get the right kid and a JUCO or a transfer is fine

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Jun 15, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't Tell Pitino Either

He signed JuCo recruits Dale Brown and Rodney Dent.

He took Travis Ford, Mark Pope, Derek Anderson, and Heshimu Evans as transfers.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 15, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lets see here....

Evans was from Manhattan, Derek Anderson was Ohio State,Ford was Missouri, and Pope was Washington I think…..

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Jun 15, 2009 6:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes, Transfers Were A Big Reason For Pitino's UK Success

He missed PG recruits in 1990 and 1991 but Travis Ford filled in nicely.

He missed big man recruits in 1993 and 1994 but Mark Pope was ready.

Derek Anderson was a ready replacement for Rod Rhodes in 1996.

Heshimu Evans was a key reason why UK recruiting misses in 1996 or 1997 weren’t noticed.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 16, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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