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The Big Blue Daily Mail -- Who is to Blame for Cheating?

We have seen, lately, many assaults on the "one-and-done" rule currently provided for by the NBA.  Essentially, the rule requires a player to do something else with himself after high school, until they turn at least 19 years old.

But I don't want to debate the goodness or badness of the NBA rule -- I think it is unquestionably bad.  What I want to debate is the allegation made by some that the one-and-done rule is responsible for cheating, or entices players to cheat.

The rule by the NBA to require a player to be 19 and one year removed from high school is absurd, but there are those who blame the rule on the rash of academic and other cheating scandals that have recently emerged, like the O.J. Mayo scandal at USC which is the apparent object lesson in how a college coach like Tim Floyd can ruin his career by doing the galactically, obviously stupid. 

Then there is the whole Memphis scandal, in which a player, alleged to be one-and-done player Derrick Rose.  Whoever it is, that player is suspected of deciding that taking the SAT test himself isn't really what "one-and-done" is all about -- that would be something for lesser athletes who aren't capable of a direct jump to the NBA and just forced to wait out a year by an arbitrary rule.

But is the "one-and-done" rule really to blame for all this misbehavior?  Can something so simple as an age limitation be a justifiable reason to commit academic fraud and other forms of rule-breaking?  Is the rule to blame, are the players to blame, is the "system" to blame, or all of the above?

Star-divide

Andy Katz of ESPN is on record as against the rule.  His arguments essentially are:

  • The kids don't want to be in school;
  • The school should not want players for just one year;
  • The rule creates scandals by enticing players to cheat.

Dan Wetzel of Yahoo.com is one of the most vehement critics of the "one-and-done" rule.  In addition to the above points, Wetzel argues that:

  • NCAA basketball's amateurism rules are "outdated and hypocritical.";
  • The college entrance exams are arbitrary and unfair;
  • It's all about the money;
  • The whole process plays to stereotypes of poor, black basketball players;
  • There is no statistical evidence that players are better after a year in college;
  • You can't blame the players for cheating a rigged system;
  • It's bad for schools because the "one-and-done" athletes take only one semester seriously -- the first one, in order to remain eligible.  They often blow off the second and hurt the school in the APR.

Meanwhile, the arguments that the system is not responsible for the current state of NCAA basketball are largely encapsulated in this article in USA Today:

  • Cheating has always happened in NCAA basketball, and it would happen just as often with or without the rule.  In other words, it isn't just the "one-and-dones" who do it, and he is right;
  • Colleges are just as responsible for cheating as the players.  They are the ones who arrange payments, allow coaches to work outside the rules, and point fingers everywhere but at themselves when things go bad;
  • A year in college is better than no college from a life standpoint;
  • Mayo, if found to have taken money, would be the first one to be caught doing so since the institution of the rule;
  • It is good for the college game to have players like Kevin Durant, even for only one year;
  • It gives the NBA an opportunity to see a player more before making a financial investment;
  • It's impact on colleges is negligible, and it benefits the player (and NBA) more than the college.

Finally, we had this piece the other day by John Clay, who gets the whole thing right.  Clay points out that all these debacles are not the NBA's problem.  They aren't, at least, not to a great extent.  They may take a marketing hit if Derrick Rose is actually exposed as a cheater, or O.J. Mayo is exposed as a greedy wheeler-dealer trying to wring cash out of a system that isn't supposed to provide any rather than simply waiting another year for his millions.

Jay Bilas said it best, as quoted in Clay's article, when he said in a recent article on ESPN.com that "No NBA rule encourages anyone to change grades or cheat on tests."  I have seen many apologists for the players come up with faux arguments, as we see to some extent in Wetzel's column above, that they are just gaming a corrupt system.  That's not true at all.  You don't have to agree with the rules to follow them.  High school players actually have options like never before.  They can go to the NBADL for a year, go to a junior college for a year, play in Europe or other overseas destination.  Brandon Jennings is likely to demonstrate, for good and all (as if there were ever really any doubt) that if you are a lottery pick coming out of high school, you will be a lottery pick one year later, even if you hurt your standing in the process.

Rose could have just taken a year off and worked on his body and game in the gym with a trainer.  I'm sure he could have hired the most expensive one in America on contingency, and paid absolutely zero until after the draft.  Forget college, there are tons of options available to players who have the talent to be "one and done."  Want to send the NBA a message?  Don't play on TV after high school.  Make them have to send scouts after you, or try to keep track of what you are doing -- trust me, they will.  Take a year off to get your affairs in order, anything -- you don't have to abide by amateur rules.  Sign with an agent and let him fix you up.  Join the peace corps or volunteer for community service and show you are about more than just money.  The list is endless.

The bottom line is, there are tons of things these players could be doing other than obtaining stand-ins to defraud colleges on their entrance exams and still be picked high in the NBA draft, or selling themselves to the highest ethics-challenged college coach -- tons of ethical, helpful, useful things that they could do with 12 months other than demonstrating a complete disregard for the rules in the name of disagreeing with them.  But for some reason, we blame the rules rather than the rule-breakers.  Robin Hood strikes again.

Would it be better if we adopted the college baseball rule that allows high schoolers to be drafted, but requires them to stay in school for three years if they decide to go to school?  Yes.  Would it be better just to let high schoolers in, period?  Yes.  Would two years be better than one?  Probably.  But whether or not those things come to fruition, blaming the NBA's rule for colleges paying greedy players, and academic ne'er-do-wells too lazy or disinterested in school cheating on college entrance exams is not logically or ethically defensible.

Now, for the news:

UK Basketball News

  • Media needs to regain integrity
    Scout.com's Keith Bays takes Jerry Tipton to task in this editorial. Bays is certainly right, but he is right in a highly technical way. Yes, Mumme and Sutton both resigned, but had they refused to do so, they would have been fired. "Resigned under pressure" is the official way of putting such a parting of ways. Tipton should have gotten that part right, no doubt. It is common -- how many times have we seen sports writers tell us that UK fired Tubby Smith? Still, I'm not sure it merits the dressing-down that Bays gives him.

UK Football News

  • Heh.
    Very funny. Must read.

Other UK Sports News

NCAA Sports News

  • Coach K Considering a Return to Team USA Sideline
    Rush The Court considers Calipari a good choice for leading Team USA the next time around, along with Traitor Rick, Tom Izzo, Jim Boeheim and others.

    Personally, I would rather Calipari focus on UK basketball for now. Five years from now, maybe this would be a good idea for him. I think Krzyzewski did a fine job last time and I would certainly not mind him taking the spot again.

  • After Floyd, USC's Top 5 Candidates.
    Fanhouse has a list for USC. It's pretty much what you would expect, except no Jeff Van Gundy. Mike Davis is an interesting addition, although I can't imagine him taking the job. I'm thinking he is hoping for a shot at Alabama.

  • Floyd's action speaks volumes.
    I'll await the formal charges, but I do have to admit that what I have read so far looks really bad for Tim Floyd.

  • Scoffing at the NCAA rule changes.
    Maize n Brew Dave does it so I don't have to.

  • NCAA Basketball: Rule change is foul
    Lew Wright laments the latest NCAA idiocy -- imaginary lines. Imagine that!

  • Tim Floyd's departure as the Southern California men's basketball coach raises questions - ESPN
    Andy Katz has a number of questions concerning Tim Floyd's departure.

  • One-and-done Mayo costs Floyd reputation, job; coaches beware
    What's amazing to me is who Parrish does not mention in this article. See if you can figure out who that may be. I find it very interesting, and noteworthy, that Calipari was never really associated strongly with recruiting Mayo, nor Stephenson, nor Renardo Sydney. I wonder why? Actually, I think I know.

  • USC basketball coach Floyd submits his resignation
    Some interesting speculation about who might replace Tim Floyd. Obviously, the leading candidate aught to be Jamie Dixon, but I don't see it. Dixon has nothing really to gain by going from one football program to another, and even though LA is a higher profile place, I just don't see a Howland/Dixon rivalry. I'm going to say it isn't gonna happen.

    Jeff Van Gundy is the most intriguing of all the names mentioned. He has no college experience that I know of, but he is a good coach and could compete with Howland for recruits. He has that NBA resume that so many of today's recruits seem to love. Would he be willing to give up a cushy broadcast job (at which he is pretty darn good, by the way) for a scandal-plagued program on probation? I don't know. Maybe. As I said, intriguing.

  • Georgia didn't hire Tim Floyd -- don't you feel better now?
    Not to really defend Tim Floyd, but don't you think we should wait for the NCAA to, I don't know, actually charge him with stuff before we convict and hang him? Just askin'.

  • Billy Gillispie To USC?
    Well, you never know. Gillispie might be a fit there. But I kind of doubt it will happen.

Other News of Interest

The Daily Schadenfreude

  • The inevitable buzz: Pitino to USC
    Bwahahaa! Was there ever any doubt? I guarantee right now there is no way Pitino takes this job. It is not worthy of him, and he knows it. No matter what you think of Louisville, they are a far, far superior basketball program to USC. Not even Syphergate could make Pitino swallow this pill.

  • A Double Standard, and a Bar of Soap
    This is just a hilarious, logically bankrupt attempt at an article. If you want to see what faux reasoning looks like, just take a look here. Without any effort at all the author goes from factual recitations to conclusions that they don't support.

  • Trojan Lambs Of Just$C*
    Bruins Nation engages in some serious schadenfreude over Tim Floyd's resignation.

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Hear, hear

Sick and tired of people blaming everyone else for their transgressions. The rule is stupid, but it is what it is. Quit cheating – simple as that.

This post nailed it.

The King is dead! Long live the King!

by NYCCats on Jun 10, 2009 12:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks ...

… very much!

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Jun 10, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Second that ... Well written piece

With your permission sir, I’d like to add the newly formed adverb “galacitically” to my writing toolbox …. very descriptive …. CharlesDickens-esque

Tell me if I’m off base but, don’t other professional sports have better “farm leagues” than the NBA (like minor league baseball or hockey) … does the NBADL restrict how much money a player can make?? Can a “Derrick Rose”, “John Wall” type of player go to the NBADL for a year and make “lottery money”?? or is that the reason they would rather go overseas?

Bottom Line to me – the rule shouldn’t make you cheat …. $1000 (and who knows what else) for Mayo – look at the tradeoff – some bargain huh?? How is it Mayo wouldn’t have been better off in the NBADL? Or does it come down to the NCAA wanting these “one-and-dones” in college for the TV ratings and money?? I’d be interested to see the classes/grades for Mayo at USC.

by ukcris on Jun 10, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

NBDL Salaries Are Fixed (And Low)

But the player(s) could sign shoe or other endorsement deals.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 10, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wouldn't you think

that would be better than negotiating a college campus (like finding classes, homework, curfews – it took me a while to get on my feet when I started college) … I mean for the ones that really have no intention of completeing a degree or even part of one and won’t be there that long?? I think a shoe deal or and endorsement would be much better than getting $1K here and there on some street corner and then trying to explain where all of this money is coming from…etc.
If it works for the NHL and MLB why not the NBA?

by ukcris on Jun 10, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This has nothing to do with college

and it is about the NBA and the draft pool.Just set a minimun age, say 20, before you can play in the league.

by -Zoso- on Jun 10, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Galactically... "

… came from a quote from Tom Cruise’s character in “A Few Good Men.” :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Jun 11, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

DID YOU ORDER THE CODE RED!

YOU’RE DAMN RIGHT I DID!

sorry

If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.

by btcoop71 on Jun 11, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep.

That’s the one.

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by Truzenzuzex on Jun 12, 2009 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tink--you're too funny.

I noticed you were the first comment on the “Gillispie to USC?” piece at Aggieland.

FWIW, I concur with your sentiments there.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on Jun 10, 2009 12:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

BTW-I added a concurrence to your sentiments there.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on Jun 10, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks :)

I do what I can!

It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Jun 10, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Awesome game in Orlando last night.

This has been one of the best NCAA playoffs, as a whole, I can ever remember.

Someone still on the beach somewhere?

by Dini-D-Alum on Jun 10, 2009 1:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There is no statistical evidence that players are better after a year in college

Of course not. The plan isn’t for them to get better… the plan is to help you figure out the Randolph Morrises from the Dwight Howards of the world.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Jun 10, 2009 1:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Indeed.

If by “you,” you mean the NBA GM’s and coaches.

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by Truzenzuzex on Jun 10, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

RE: Tru

Yes, that’s exactly what I meant.

If Kwame Brown had been forced to attend one year of school… he wouldn’t be in the NBA now.

Similarly, if it had been fashionable for high schoolers to go straight to the draft almost 20 years ago… Rodrick Rhodes would have been a top 5 pick.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Jun 10, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Indeed.

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by Truzenzuzex on Jun 10, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That Was Possible In 2004

Howard and Morris were worlds apart as HS seniors.

Even though they were ranked pretty close to each other.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 10, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In the one game that they played against each other ...

… Morris actually looked better than Howard. He outscored him by a couple of points I believe, something like 26 pts to 24. The game was on ESPN. Of course that was only one game, but Morris looked very tough.

by Ken Howlett on Jun 10, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tentative Morris

That game was probably a better gauge as to the type of player Morris was.

The game I saw was in Atlanta — I’m sure Morris had many family and friends at the game so he was probably extra-motivated.

by Ken Howlett on Jun 10, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

System

The “system” is good for the NBA and bad for the players and possibly the NCAA. I dont really care about the whole in college for one year issue that so many around here get hung up on. Regardless of the system though cheating is totally a personal responsibility issue. If you do something wrong you have only yourself to blame.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Jun 10, 2009 2:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pitino to USC

Doubt it. Reportedly Ralph Willard has resigned from Holy Cross to assist Pitino at U of L.

by Ken Howlett on Jun 10, 2009 2:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

....or replace him at U of L....

It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Jun 10, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My guess...

and this is only a guess, is that Pitino will be leaving in one or two years and Willard is being set up as his replacement.

by BBallSophist on Jun 10, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I think that's the consensus

But, P’s not going to leave U of L now and leave one of his best friends in the proverbial lurch.

by Ken Howlett on Jun 10, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eddie Sutton Resignation

I agree that the LHL’s Jerry Tipton should have noted that Eddie Sutton and Hal Mumme both resigned and were not fired by UK, in response to quoting Pat Forde in his article. But it also goes a bit further in that Dick Vitale actually called for Sutton to step down on national TV. For Tipton to think that UK fans would not recall that reveals Tipton’s disingenuous when reporting on UK basketball, IMHO.

by Foghorn Leghorn on Jun 10, 2009 2:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Either that or his worsening Alzheimer's.....

that would explain a lot…..lol

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by ALLBLUCAT on Jun 10, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One thing about all of this....we have shown that

we discuss this stuff as news, but based on what we have gone through the last couple of weeks, I decline to say anything about Tim Floyd until someone presents me with proof. When even Dick Vitale comes running to the defense of Kentucky, I know that there is just way too much stuff going on. I want to see Floyd treated fairly, if something has been done, then fine, but until the proof arrives, I’m out of this discussion.

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Jun 10, 2009 3:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That's kind of the way I feel also

I’m sure something happened, but I refuse to believe that he personally handed $1,000 to an OJ Mayo handler.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Jun 10, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Think He Did

There was allegedly an eyewitness (besides the 2 principals) to the incident.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 10, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pilgrim and Galloway are leaving

According to KSR, according to Frosty…..

http://new.kentuckysportsradio.com/?p=21417

If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.

by btcoop71 on Jun 10, 2009 3:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

IF true

somewhat surprising for Pilgrim but seemed inevitable for Gal.

by hoboat33 on Jun 10, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah.

I saw this on Twitter a while back. I’m calling it a rumor for now.

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by Truzenzuzex on Jun 10, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WKYT also reporting

http://www.wkyt.com/home/headlines/47730827.html

If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.

by btcoop71 on Jun 11, 2009 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Willard’s a good hire for Louisville and will actually keep Pitino from leaving for the next few years. I’d like to think that Jurich would hire a younger man as Pitino’s eventual replacement, but after the Kragthorpe fiasco, who knows?

by don'tshootmei'macard on Jun 11, 2009 12:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pitino Hired Jim O'Brien At UK For The Same Reason

JOB was a “failed” head coach in college but he was a big reason why UK was 97-12 the next 3 years.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 11, 2009 6:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: somewhat shaken out roster

I don’t think Galloway leaving violates the “senior rule,” because he was a transfer with only one season at UK. Plus, who knows—he may have seen the writing on the wall and made the decision himself.

Pilgrim is a surprise, and it’s a shame we’ll never to get see how good or not good he might have been at UK. Still, we’re loaded on bigs, so I’m not surprised. At the least, Mr. Pilgrim, thanks for all you did in practice making Patterson better.

Finally, I have to say that I’m rather pleased that Liggins is staying, at least for now. I truly do think that kid has a very high ceiling, and I hope Calipari can get it out of him.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on Jun 11, 2009 8:18 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Just noticed

that I said “is a surprise” and “I’m not surprised” on the same issue. Uh, I guess I’m moderately surprised but not floored?

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on Jun 11, 2009 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly right about Galloway

I thought as soon as Wall inked that Liggins’ fate was sealed. If he stays I will be pleasantly surprised.

by Ken Howlett on Jun 11, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Redshirts?

Stevenson?

Liggins?

Both?

by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 11, 2009 9:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You are naive, sir.

If a kid can only score a 15 on his ACT, he doesn’t have the sense and ability to cheat to get a 19 all by himself. He can’t do it alone! He needs help. Hmmmmmmmmmm…wonder who helps him?

Wake up…smell the coffeee. Give it a critical eye. You may see something that is not readily apparent. I mean, it take effort…but not all that much. C’mon…give it a try.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Jun 11, 2009 11:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If only you could provide ...

… something more than suspicion.

Many people could help such a person, not the least of which are his hangers-on and high school friends, as well as people he knows who are interested in obtaining his gratitude against the possibility of future success.

Maybe if you would not be so quick to jump to the conclusion you want to be true, you might be able to see that it is just as naive to impute wrongdoing to the most convenient or desirable target rather than consider others who have greater access, and are logically more likely to be involved.

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by Truzenzuzex on Jun 12, 2009 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What we need is a Warren Commission in College Basketball

that will quiet all of the rumors……yeah……right……until someone starts bringing videotape of credible witnesses to the table on all of this stuff, speculation is about the most appropriate label anyone can give it. I dont see any Zapruder films cropping up…..

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by ALLBLUCAT on Jun 12, 2009 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately,

the WC left a little to be desired; but, considering the political atmosphere, slogged through as best they could.

by hoboat33 on Jun 12, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ahhhhhh.....that political atmosphere thingy.....

it will get you every time

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by ALLBLUCAT on Jun 15, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you are assuming I meant Cal or Memphis...I am not.

I don’t know who has helped. I just know someone had to help this kid cheat. I do find it curious why Illinois backed off but Memphis still pursued with vigor.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Jun 14, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Illinois DIDN'T Back Off

Bruce Weber recruited Rose HARD until the very end.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 14, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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