Morning Newspaper for May 7th, 2009
by Truzenzuzex on May 7, 2009 9:54 AM EDT
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David Trimble takes on the Herald-Leader's continual editorial bashing of John Calipari's contract. Trimble makes some good points, but I would like to add a couple to his.
First off is the fact that if UK were to fire Calipari and hire a coach for $85,000 per year, it would not mean one extra dime for the University except in the very near term. The money that comes into UK Athletics is money that would not be there but for the success of the basketball program, which would no doubt quickly degrade with the failure of the school to allow the UK Athletics Administration to make the necessary financial commitment to keep it viable and the subsequent lack of interest from TV and sponsors. In other words, you could close down UK athletics today and make a one-time gift to the university of, I don't know, maybe 50 million dollars or something, but that would be it. The golden goose would be dead after being sacrificed to lay a huge golden egg instead of a bunch of little ones.
The money that Americans spend on leisure time, like basketball games, is not going to be reallocated to fund university priorities. If the NCAA were to disband all athletic programs tomorrow, those entertainment dollars would go elsewhere, but virtually none of them would go to the universities. We can all bemoan this fact, but it's hypocritical -- every one of us knows that our entertainment dollars are not going to be suddenly redirected to fund the next great veterinarian or agricultural researcher.
Should the UK Athletics contribute to the University of Kentucky financially? Absolutely yes, and in the largest amount possible consistent with their ability to remain competitive in the university sports marketplace. And to be sure, UK's athletics program is one of the very few that actually makes money rather than loses it. But let's face it -- every net dollar the university gets from the athletic program is money that they would not otherwise have, and the exposure that UK gets from its high-profile athletic programs cannot be measured in dollars alone.
And now, for the rest of the news.
UK Basketball News
- The Loathsome Troll Jeff Goodman says that Calipari is, "The ultimate salesman." Interesting. I recall that Goodman had an ongoing thing with Memphis, and even turned in a potential violation to the NCAA back last year. But his latest reports on Calipari seem at least neutral. Maybe the rumor of a feud between them was misplaced.
- UK's Academic Progress Report is pretty darn good. In fact, according to a reader who did the research on the NCAA's website, UK Men's Basketball leads the SEC among men's basketball program results.
- Another offensive article from a person who has apparently never made a youthful mistake. Now, just because UK is recruiting John Wall who has been cited for a misdemeanor, we at UK (and to be fair, others as well) have all sold our souls to a "win at all costs" attitude.
My question for this person is this -- since when did UK become too "good" for players like this? The author claims that, "We let pro athletes get away with anything and make millions doing it." Really? Tell that to Michael Vick -- I have the strange feeling he might not agree.
Bad behavior, both youthful and adult, is part of life. The author seems to think that the consequences ought to go beyond legal ramifications, but this piece is about nothing more than class warfare couched as moral indignation. The amount of money one makes or fame one enjoys has nothing whatever to do with their responsibility to be a good citizen, and surely Americans have the right to refuse to embrace a bad actor who can't stay out of trouble.
But Americans also have a perfect right to forgive mistakes, particularly youthful ones. There is a reason juvenile offenses, especially relatively minor ones, are usually purged after a period of good behavior. It's because we, as a society, have taken the decision to forgive young people minor misdeeds committed in thier youth so that they don't get off to a prejudicial start as adults. The author certainly has a right to bemoan this fact, but I find it remarkably harsh and judgmental, and Wall's fame and likely future high financial status are the real reasons this author is upset. It seems that in his/her view, big money and scholarships should only be given to the morally straight. Good luck with that. - Eamonn Brennan writing for Yahoo! breaks down the SEC coaches. The categories are: The Too-Sooners, The Faceless Wonders, The Almost Elite, and the Superelite. Overall, he grades the conference coaching as a C, due to too many newcomers. See if you can guess where UK's coach stands.
- Doug Gottleib says that UK will not get John Wall ... period.
- Eric Bledsoe wanted to be in a place where basketball is important. Eric, you will never find a place anywhere where that is more true than here in the Bluegrass.
- Calipari weighed heavily in Bledsoe's decision. One can only guess why the Herald-Leader has a picture of DeMarcus Cousins there.
- Danny Jett thinks Eric Bledsoe was the missing piece to the puzzle of UK's success next year.
- Kentucky Ink has a nice piece on Bledsoe. Straitpinkie does as well.
- Some Eric Bledsoe video via True Blue Kentucky.
- Eric Bledsoe says Patrick Patterson is returning to Kentucky -- with conviction. Jerry Tipton has more.
- John Clay's Big Blue Links.
- Bluegrass State Basketball asks, "What about John Wall?"
UK Football News
- Rivals says that Joker Phillips is the right choice for Kentucky's future. This is a really great article about Phillips that you should read.
Other UK Sports News
- UK softball is on the rise.
NCAA Sports News
- No Bledsoe for the Gators. I honestly didn't know they were even interested, but I guess I should have.
- No easy answers for Florida at the point. Jeremy Fowler of the Orlando Sentinel seems genuinely miffed that the Gators lost out on Bledsoe. There is something really nice about seeing Billy Donovan lose recruits to Kentucky. UK has been the one in this position all to often in recent years.
- Twitter as a recruiting tool. Can an NCAA ban be far away?
- Memphis is trying to rally behind Josh Pastner. I have no doubt that UK will not be a favorite of Memphians for some time to come.
- Some answers about SEC football schedule questions.
- Is Wall do or die for the Dookies?
- The Minnesota Golden Gophers and Ole Miss will be penalized by the NCAA for poor academic performance, in the form of lost scholarships.
- A college football and basketball betting scandal.
Other News of Interest
- Will Rachel Alexandra run in the Preakness? If so, she's getting my money.
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John Wall
Should be forgiven, but I’m not sure being forgiven equates to being given a second chance in sports. Not just in Wall’s case, but look at Vick. We can forgive him, but that doesn’t mean he should get to play football again. Playing sports is a privilege, not a right. If I get arrested, I’m probably going to lose my job. Doesn’t mean my boss still won’t invite me over for a beer somewhere down the road, but there are consequences for actions. Unfortunately many athletes don’t face those consequences like the average American worker who can’t dunk a basketball or throw a 60-yard spiral do. I think Wall should be allowed to play basketball, as his offense wasn’t really that bad, but I don’t want him on my team. I don’t care how good he is, if he’s not bright enough to keep his nose clean this close to graduation, what do you think is going to happen in the future?
by daniel81 on May 7, 2009 10:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If people like Vick, Pacman Jones, and Chris Henry can get 73 chances....
…then John Wall deserves a second chance.
Envy our past......Fear our future
by btcoop71 on May 7, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vick's offense > Hall's offense
neither should even be in the same sentence, much less paragraph.
i did a few things in high school and college that were comparable to Hall. fortunately, the punishment fit the crime and i learned.
I have watched Cal give kids like this a second chance. if Cal decides Hall gets one, that is good enough for me. if he decides to let Hall move on, i will be fine with that as well.
Comparing what you might do today and your bosses reaction is not the same as an 18/19 year old kid. Just because he is a high profile recruit, does not lessen the fact that he is a kid. just listen to Hall himself.
As i said, this is Cal’s decision…..and i will support it either way….
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on May 7, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree completely with what you say, MW, but
I assume “Hall” is supposed to read “Wall?”
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on May 7, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry -
guess i was a bit heated up – daniel81 is one of the posters i like so guess he really got me going……
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on May 7, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But...
As the old saying goes, if you are old enough to do the crime, you’re old enough to do the time. I did some stupid things when I was 18 too, but I knew they were wrong. I don’t think anybody can really say you don’t know right from wrong after the age of six or seven. I believe he deserves a second chance, like I said, it wasn’t that big of a deal. But his lack of judgment raises questions about how he could lead a team on the court, and the choices he would make once he gets on a big campus far away from home.
I just think there’s a difference between a second chance at life at a second chance at sports. A lot of kids would go to sleep at 8 p.m. every friday night just to have a shot at playing at UK. They would never jeopardize the chance, because it’s truly once-in-a-lifetime. Plus I remember in high school, our football coach threatened he would kick us off the team for getting in trouble at school, much less getting arrested.
But you’re right, Vick’s thing is just incomprehensible.
by daniel81 on May 7, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So
you think that because he entered an abandoned house, apparently devoid of occupants, etc., and apparently stole nothing, vandalized nothing, and the like, UK should not allow him to play basketball here?
Legally speaking, if someone crosses my property line without my persmission, that is trespassing. So, if he crossed my property line without permission, only for 10 seconds, he should not be allowed to play basketball for UK? It’s the same thing.
In my opinion, this indiscretion doesn’t raise ANY questions about how he could lead a team on the court. He entered an abandoned house—I mean, c’mon. Where’s the beef?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on May 7, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is no beef....
because there is no crime here. Misdemeanor at best…..similar to a traffic ticket. And this is assuming it stands up in court.
The house was for sale. The back door was unlocked. It’s not like he won’t be in the market for a new home (several probably) is a year or so…..
Give it a break Daniel81…you look foolish.
by Jay Shidler on May 7, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone forgets (myself included)...
that he is a kid. Kids mess up, do inexplicable things and hopefully learn how to be mature and responsible along the way.
I hate to see Wall being crucified for something this minor. Wrong? Yes. The end of the world? No. Cause for concern? Eh.
Unless something else (more serious) surfaces regarding the incident, then this should have no weight in our opinion of him or his prospective schools’ interest levels.
flat-tops and mid-range jumpers.
by the monster mash on May 7, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now try to say...
“prospective schools’ interest levels” 3 times fast.
flat-tops and mid-range jumpers.
by the monster mash on May 7, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hold your tongue and say
“I was born on a pirate ship”
by daniel81 on May 7, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good one.
flat-tops and mid-range jumpers.
by the monster mash on May 7, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t care how good he is, if he’s not bright enough to keep his nose clean this close to graduation, what do you think is going to happen in the future?
How can people chalk it up as being young and stupid, then condemn him by saying he is likely to always be stupid?
Look, there are too many examples of kids that did something in High School and got it together in College to tell a kid like Wall he isn’t welcome here anymore. UK fans bemoaned Gerald Fitch being given additional chances, but he grew up too. Allen Iverson grew up under John Thompson, and he had a far worse rap sheet coming out of HS. It is unbecoming of UK fans to stick their noses in the air for something this inconsequential. It is NOT about making exceptions for the most talented, its about being reasonable with children, which they still are.
by Ontherocks on May 7, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Iverson
Got in loads of trouble in the NBA, and I love Iverson. Wall may end up being a saint, but with so many vying to come to UK now, why take a chance?
by daniel81 on May 7, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because ...
… he may be worth the chance. Not just as a player, but as a human being.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on May 7, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chances get you on probation
I would stick with what I know. I always bring things back to academics. If you screw up once, your scholarship is gone, end of discussion. Why should it be different for an athlete?
by daniel81 on May 7, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then we should tell Bledsoe and Cousins we aren't interested, as well.
Bledsoe is an academic risk and Cousins has had issues with his attitude. Both constitute players with whom we are taking chances, one way or another.
When you’re dealing with 18 yearolds, you’re taking chances, even with ones who have no history of problems.
This issue has been way, way overblown by some people.
by BBallSophist on May 7, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
See response below
When we start recruiting like this, it does raise serious concerns in my book. I’m not interested in us becoming the college of one and dones and poor academics just to win a few more games.
by daniel81 on May 7, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HUH?
“…When we start recruiting like this…”
What are you talking about? You mean….5-Star Recruits? I have no idea what planet you are from but please come back to earth.
God help us to continue to recruit like this…..PLEASE!!!!!
by Jay Shidler on May 7, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are these the "miserables" that Cal spoke of
I just do not understand this attitude.
by Ontherocks on May 7, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hope Cal never loses a game but
when does and the miserables come out, it will be sort of fun to watch….
watch Cal handle it by totally dismissing and ignoring them…..
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on May 7, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there is a philosophical difference here
so agreeing to disagree is ok, but you say “Why?” and I say “why not?”. If we have a reputation of taking troubled kids and graduating good ones, I’m perfectly ok with that, even if alot of our fan base isn’t.
by Ontherocks on May 7, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are not sure what exactly happened,
but kids will be kids. Bottom line. We have no idea what the circumstances were. Was it wrong? YES. But, I have said this before. We do not know that this kid, maybe, entered the unlocked open house, and as soon as he walked in he could have said, man, I shouldn’t be in here, this is stupid, turned around and walked out. He was detained on the outside. It is possible. He is a kid, he says so himself. This is nothing more than a kid making a mistake. We are not sure that he didn’t realize it, and tried to undo it while he could. Which in my opinion, could be a good sign, realizing before would have been better, but at least he realized. This is just my maybe..
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on May 7, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But you touch on
A fundamental problem I have with society. We are so quick to excuse everything now. We baby everybody, make up excuses all day long. Kid this, kid that. I guess that’s why 30 is the new 20, because nobody grows up anymore. The superintendent back in my hometown school system sent an e-mail to teachers telling them to excuse cussing, at them and at other students. He said punishing the offense just makes it look like the school is out of control because of all the incidents, and that kids are just that way now.
Well I’m not that old, and a few years ago it sure wasn’t that way, and I don’t see how always excusing everything solves much of anything.
by daniel81 on May 7, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree about people being coddled more now
If you never allow someone to grow up, they never will. Just like if you constantly allow someone not to get into trouble when they do something wrong, they’ll never respect authority.
That being said, someone going into an empty house to get his groove on is worthy of a second chance.
Envy our past......Fear our future
by btcoop71 on May 7, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
flat-tops and mid-range jumpers.
by the monster mash on May 7, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It seems like you're just ranting about
society in general, and trying use Wall as an example of how society is creating troublemakers.
The logic just doen’t jive. I have no idea how old you are, but I’m assuming >40—did kids in the 70s (or 60s or 50s or 80s depending on your age) not enter into abandoned houses?
If anything, “back in the day,” a kid was MUCH less likely to be arrested/cited for entering an abandoned house. Unless something comes to light, this simply is not a big deal.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on May 7, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is an example
Of how we have ten million excuses for everything. Guy butchers his family — his mom didn’t hug him enough — kid shoots up school — blame video games — 18-year old breaks into house(and none of us will really ever know the true intentions of that situation — well he’s just a kid. Question, when do you stop being a kid? We’ve dumbed down as a society, heck Spartan “kids” were fighting wars by the age of 13.
Saying that someone shouldn’t be judged because “back in the day” they wouldn’t have been busted is a pretty poor defense Matlock.
by daniel81 on May 7, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matlock = my favorite show ever
Guy buthering family does not = misdemeanor being in a vacant house
Kid shooting up school does not = misemeanor being in a vacant house
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on May 7, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think ...
… that discretion about employment is up to the employer. Playing professional sports is neither a privilege nor a right, it is employment. It’s that simple. The league sets its own rules as to what it will forgive and what it will not, just like the company you work for and society in general.
Your claim that many athletes don’t face the same consequences as average Americans is demonstrably false. The law is the law, as the Wall situation clearly demonstrates, among many others. Whether or not you would want him on your team is clearly up to you. Myself, I would talk to the young man, his parents, his friends and teachers and try to determine if this was an isolated incident or if it was indicative of a larger problem. I would not, unlike some, simply assume that it is and move on.
Your mileage may vary.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on May 7, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
if Mike Vick was an insurance agent instead of a football player, you think he would get a second chance?
by daniel81 on May 7, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Playing sports not a privilege?
Really? I’m flabbergasted. It’s not employment at UK or the college level, unless you have some info you’d like to share. Getting a scholarship to play a kids game is a privilege, to me.
by daniel81 on May 7, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
speaking AS an insurance agent
the State would be i here demanding my license in hand if I commit a FELONY….anything else that is not related to the business, they could care less about…..it’s the COMPANIES that won’t take the chance to let you represent them
Remember, we're having fun now!!!
by ALLBLUCAT on May 7, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well ...
… I did say, “playing professional sports,” so you must have misread my remark above.
Playing college sports my be considered a privilege, although quite honestly, it seems the situation is largely reversed in reality — it seems like the college programs work their butts off for the privilege of having some of these players go there. Am I wrong?
As far as Vick is concerned, if he gets a second chance, it will be because football teams will take talented, damaged goods. Insurance companies might do so as well, unless the state has a prohibition against felons holding insurance licenses. Let’s put it in a more relevant context — say perhaps an automobile salesman or a company president. Typically, the government does not forbid felons from holding those kinds of jobs, much like they don’t forbid felons from being football players.
So could a car salesman find a job if he were well known as an outstanding salesman but also got busted for dogfighting and served time in Club Fed? I expect so, if the dealership were hungry enough. He could also go out and start his own company, nothing holding him back there as long as it isn’t in an industry that the government regulates.
So I really don’t see your point.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on May 7, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see your point and I wholeheartedly disagree.
I expect so, if the dealership were hungry enough.
So what you are saying is UK is hungry enough to take on Wall. Once again, I find my self holding a higher standard and appreciation for UK than you or most of the folks on this board. UK doesn’t need him. They don’t need to bend over backward and rationalize their pursuit of this kid. UK is better than that. So are you.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on May 7, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to agree with a Ville fan
That’s where this has ended up. Because he’s exactly right. Deal with someone on your team how you need to, but this guy isn’t even on our team and he’s already in trouble. WTF!
by daniel81 on May 7, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think that
UK is bending over backwards for the kid Hoze…..as far as rationalizing their pursuit goes, technically, the kid has not been convicted of a thing yet…..and if I get a shot at the next Derrick Rose, or LeBron James, I am willing to play a wait and see game….what is is costing me?
Remember, we're having fun now!!!
by ALLBLUCAT on May 7, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are kidding me. Not bending over backward?
This board looks like a limbo contest to see who can go lower.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on May 7, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So far I havent compromised
any value, moral or concern that I might have by waiting to see if this actually turns into anything..
Remember, we're having fun now!!!
by ALLBLUCAT on May 7, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Strike up the song!!
Every limbo boy and girl
All around the limbo world
Gonna do the limbo rock
All around the limbo clock
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on May 7, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still don't get it Hoze
the kid hasn’t been convicted of a thing yet….I don’t know what penalty the charge carries if he is, but I am betting it is a fine, if he was never actually arrested…..what have you got against this kid anyway?…or is it kids that make mistakes in general you have a problem with?? c’mon man…..lighten up…..this ain’t brain surgery…..it’s just hoops…..lol
Remember, we're having fun now!!!
by ALLBLUCAT on May 7, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just don't get the sense of obligation that 'most' UK fans have to pursue this kid.
Let him play for someone else….that has shown the willingness to live in the shade of justification. I don’t wish him ill will.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on May 7, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think most of the fans would say that
if he is going to be playing…..they want him with us and not against us….lol
Remember, we're having fun now!!!
by ALLBLUCAT on May 7, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ABC
You should get it.
HK is obviously out to attempt to rile up UK fans. I suppose he gets some type of satisfaction out of his juvenile display.
He makes no sense, whatsoever. Just ignore him.
by Ken Howlett on May 7, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
its ok Ken
actually I have fun with the back and forth….doesnt bother me a bit….lol….especially when I know I am on the right side of the argument…..;-)
Remember, we're having fun now!!!
by ALLBLUCAT on May 7, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, KH...you are sooooooo insightful!!
It’s your juvenile behavior that reveals itself each time you try to insult me. Funny, I don’t seem to get the pleasure you must with my lame effort to throw an insult back to you. That must make me a grown up.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on May 7, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good luck with whoever your next coach is, Hoze.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on May 7, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, maybe Jerry Tarkanian is available.
He’s a great recruiter and will bring back UofL to it’s rightful position in the college basketball world. All would be wonderful.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on May 7, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gillispie's available. . .
Seriously though, if there’s any truth to the rumor, it’s too bad.
If it’s because of the Sypher stuff, there has to be a lot going on there that no one is aware of..
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on May 7, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's going on
I heard from a credible source that Sypher is claiming that her husband and richard pitino had a sexual relationship. Very credible source, and the media is not reporting because it’s personal and hard to confirm. Kind of makes sense though if you think about it.
And for the record, this deepthroat is a big u of l fan.
by daniel81 on May 7, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I heard the same thing in my office.
Was told “it was a gay thing with Richard Pitino,” which confused since Karen is a female as far as I know, but then that ’ol lightbulb came on.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on May 7, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
She had a relationship
With Ricky P before it all started. But if you think about Richard going to Florida and the guy not willing to go against pitino, the light bulb does indeed come on.
by daniel81 on May 7, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course, spawning from this
are rumors that Donovan is being considered as a replacement, thus Pitino encouraging Donovan not to take the UK job.
I think I’ll just wait this one out.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on May 7, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's how rumors go
I heard the same sort of thing back when it first broke from a UK employee… but it was Rick not Richard.
That’s why I really don’t believe any of this.
I’ve also heard that Pitino was betting on point spreads for UofL games, including the Michigan State NCAA tourney game.
I don’t believe that one either.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on May 8, 2009 7:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah ...
… we all know you just don’t want Louisville to have to face UK with Wall on the team. Come on, admit it. Situational ethics is driving you.
That’s not a higher standard in my book. :-)
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on May 7, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, I live and die on the UK/UofL game.
It’s only one game anyway since Wall, Bledsoe, and Cousins are all one and done. I am more worried about and lose sleep over UofL’s all-time wins in NCAA history!!!!! No wait…that’s you guys.
Seriously, you can blame me for a lot…and you have…but I have always stood up for UK’s players (with the exception of Liggins). I thought that was the best thing that UK had going for it last year. It’s ‘criminal’ to think that a player like Harrelson may have to leave and be replaced with a guy like Wall. Too bad.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on May 7, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Harrellson leaves Hoze, it will be because he
feels like he doesnt fit the new system….I don’t like it…but it’s the truth….no way that Calipari lets the kid leave if he thinks he can perform well in this DDMO….problem is that as someone put it earlier today….Harrellson was a stop-gap player when he came here, and so far he hasn’t filled the gap. And making the statement about “a guy like Wall” seems to be a bit much unless you know the young man from somewhere other than the internet or ESPN….
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by ALLBLUCAT on May 7, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gawd, that is sad.
.Harrellson was a stop-gap player when he came here, and so far he hasn’t filled the gap
Then you just get rid of a kid like that? Are you serious? Good lord.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on May 7, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, you do not just get rid of the kid
there are a lot of options for him, IF it comes to him deciding to leave…and THAT hasn’t happened yet either
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by ALLBLUCAT on May 7, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well ...
… at least we could agree on that. Harrelson will be given the opportunity to stay, I’m sure.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on May 7, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bledsoe not one and done.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on May 7, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
who knows -
if vick were an insurance agent – maybe he could have plea bargained and not spent any time in jail.
sorry daniel, i am just being difficult. actually i am closer to your point of view…..
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on May 7, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess it does work both ways.
Some of the stuff brought to attention in athlete’s lives would never be considered newsworthy if it was me or John Doe.
by daniel81 on May 7, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that's it exactly.
Wall has no idea how bright the spotlight is going to shine.
It comes with the territory.
flat-tops and mid-range jumpers.
by the monster mash on May 7, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vick as an insurance agent
I feel like there’s a joke there…
flat-tops and mid-range jumpers.
by the monster mash on May 7, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no no no
memphis…..lol….please dont go there….lol
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by ALLBLUCAT on May 7, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
should have said MM....working 2 comments here
OOPS!
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by ALLBLUCAT on May 7, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Answer is YES
Lots of people commit crimes and lose jobs … but, ultimately find their way back into the work force. I’m from Georgia and have been a Falcon fan for a long time – I’m not in Vicks corner at all … but, the fact is he did a dumb thing and he paid dearly for it … it’s time to move on – I think he’s paid his “debt to society”. I’m glad he won’t be a Falcon again but, football is his career and like it or not, I think he’ll find his way back into the league.
by ukcris on May 7, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"if he’s not bright enough to keep his nose clean this close to graduation"
Not to mention knowing that the whole country is watching his every move. This, too, is my problem with Wall – not so much the nature of the offense.
I agree with daniel – Wall should play ball, just somewhere else.
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on May 7, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What if...
Bledsoe had put on a Memphis hat yesterday?
flat-tops and mid-range jumpers.
by the monster mash on May 7, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then
he would have committed to Memphis. ;)
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on May 7, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very astute.
;-)
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on May 7, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would add this:
Wall did what he did BEFORE he committed to a college, went to college, played in the NBA, etc. If he did this while ON THE TEAM, would it warrant a discussion of suspension or even expulsion, perhaps.
Do you realize how many things you can do that are against the law (and get caught) and still be permitted to go to college, graduate school, and eventually become a lawyer or a doctor or another profession?
My point—there are tons of things that if I did them NOW, AS A LAWYER, I would be disbarred and fired. However, the are lots of things I could have done (and many that I did do) BEFORE I was a lawyer that, if honest to the school, employer, and bar association, would not prevent me from getting a law degree and being admitted to the bar.
Whatever Wall did, it was BEFORE he was a Cat (or whatever else he becomes).
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on May 7, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are many things you could of done
Before becoming a lawyer that would have prevented you from doing it.
I’m not good at beating around the bush so I’ll cut to the chase.
We’re not talking about playing for a community college, we’re talking about UK. That is an honor and a privilege. It’s also a program with intense public scrutiny. With that in mind, we’ve hired a coach whose moral discretion has been questioned by scores of media outlets. Why add fuel to that fire? Even if it’s misguided.
I’ve said repeatedly that Wall’s alleged offense is not that big of a deal. But the point is he brought the attention on himself, and if we sign him, we will be judged by it too. Perception is everything in this world, and I don’t think it’s worth the risk. We’ve already got a point guard(Bledsoe) without a criminal record(that we know of), so what’s really the point?
by daniel81 on May 7, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes--
Financial crimes, violent felonies, etc. I could have been caught with possession of narcotics and still been admitted to the bar. I could have beat someone up and been admitted to the bar. I could have been convicted with drunk driving and been admitted to the bar. Most relevant, I could have been charged with misdemeaner breaking and entering and been admitted to the bar.
If I killed someone, tried to kill someone, or embezzled money, there may have been some problems.
However, all of the above things I could have done and still been admitted to the bar are, I’m assuming, things you think should keep Wall off the team (and most of them I would agree with). Misdemeanor B&E, not so much.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on May 7, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We’re not talking about playing for a community college, we’re talking about UK. That is an honor and a privilege.
UK has faced scrutiny over their own running afoul of the NCAA law. UK has been given chances to redeem itself. Don’t hold this program we love in such high regard that you can’t see the piles of manure we’ve left in our wake. THIS PROGRAM has done things far worse than what John Wall did. Good thing the NCAA is more forgiving than you are.
by Ontherocks on May 7, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh.
With that in mind, we’ve hired a coach whose moral discretion has been questioned by scores of media outlets. Why add fuel to that fire? Even if it’s misguided.
So we should unilaterally disarm because some media types think Calipari is a little too slick? Isn’t that a tacit admission of guilt?
Those same media types would likely see it that way, and I think Calipari would take great exception. I know I would.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on May 7, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No.
We shouldn’t fuel a fire, we shouldn’t go after kids with questionable character even if ESPN says UK is the best program in the history of the world. I’m sorry, making this dumb of a mistake this close to the end of high school raises serious questions.
by daniel81 on May 7, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
F*** ESPN
Who cares what ESPN thinks? When they take time off of their Red Sox/Yankees/Patriots love fest to talk UK, they do it with an ACC bias. Same with Seth Davis, or Jeff Goodman. The national media think we are all a bunch of racist hicks anyway.
Envy our past......Fear our future
by btcoop71 on May 7, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Geez.
Misdemeanor being in a vacant house does not = questionable character.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on May 7, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, I am sure he just got turned around while delivering Meals on Wheels.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on May 7, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you know what he was doing in there, Hoze? Please, spill the juicy
details.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on May 7, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, but I suspect it wasn't good. What's your suspicion?
note: You may have to have raised teenage boys to really understand.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on May 7, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know that when I was his age I was looking
for a quiet place to take my girlfriend that didn’t cost $29.99 a night….lol
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by ALLBLUCAT on May 7, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's called the back seat of a '69 Camaro.
Tight fit, granted…but I was a lot more limber then.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on May 7, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
me too....lol
but I had an AMC Gremlin…and my girlfriend was having none of it!!!….lol….you dont think she held me being a UK fan against me even back then do you???….lol
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by ALLBLUCAT on May 7, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bet you wish
you still had that 69 Camaro!
by -Zoso- on May 7, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gremlin. . .
My uncle had a puke orange Gremlin when I was growing up. I just remember it smelling like old McDonald’s on the inside.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on May 7, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For real. You have no idea...
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on May 7, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My best guess:
1. Hang out.
2. Get it on with a honey.
Neither are illegal in and of themselves.
It’s already determined that he WAS NOT there to do drugs, drink, steal something, or vandalize something.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on May 7, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just snooping around
I did the same thing last summer, in a house that was gonna be torn down, some of ya’ll are makin to much of a big over this
by Bluehound on May 7, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh.
“Questionable character?” What exactly does it take to make one’s character questionable? Getting caught leaving an unoccupied home? Jaywalking? Reckless driving? Disturbing the peace? Where do we draw that line, exactly?
Let’s get specific, then. How much is too much? When does one’s character turn from lily white to sooty? Right after the first misdemeanor, or the first lie?
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on May 7, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take this one Tru.....
it’s being seen with a UL fan in public!!!!!!!!!!!! That ought to be a felony right there…..!!!!!….yep….I am convinced, they are ALL evil!!…..lol
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by ALLBLUCAT on May 7, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh.
In my opinion, the act is punishment enough. :-)
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on May 7, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ug.
My wife is UL fan, but sans line-beard.
No offense to anyone here who may have a line-beard, unless it’s Hoze, then all offense intended.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on May 7, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um
I think it starts when the cops get involved. I would say by nature, that raises some questions.
by daniel81 on May 7, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speeding ticket would have cops invovled
and being cited for jaywalking would have cops invovled.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on May 7, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is a line, though arbitrary
And Wall didn’t cross it.
Yes, entering the house with his friends meant there was intent of something illegal. But he was IMMEDIATELY stopped by police and NOTHING was found on him nor in the house. No drugs. No alcohol. No stolen goods. No weapons. No vandalism. NOTHING.
So whatever his intention, the lack of any of those more criminal objects means whatever he did, it was spontaneous and there was no true malice in the B&E. THAT is the line, I think.
Yes, it was stupid. But frankly, I’m shocked at the insinuation that Wall is somehow now labeled a “thug,” compared to MICHAEL VICK (who is tied with OJ Simpson on the athlete morality scale), and that UK doesn’t want anything to do with the kid. And that to recruit him now is like the Cowboys taking back Michael Irving. WHAT?!
Really? What if he was at a high school party and caught with a beer? As you know, athletes have been caught with alcohol WHILE UNDERAGE and ON ATHLETIC TEAMS, and simply get suspended for a violation of team rules.
Where is the line for you on what is an unpardonable sin, a clear sign of a moral corruption… and what is simply an 18 year-old making a mistake? Have you EVER had the scrutiny he’s had? It’s one thing to have cameras as you play on the court and at press conference. But he’d never had negative publicity yet. And I guarantee this is a huge lesson learned and not one he will soon make again.
by Filmcat on May 7, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Capitalism
It doesnt matter what these guys have done. Criminals or not criminals it’s all about capitalism. If hiring Vick even after his conviction gives some NFL team a better chance to win and therefore make more money you can bet he will find a spot on a roster. These players behavior does have an impact on their professional value but to the point that some team is willing to put up with the headache their ability still makes them valuable as an employee.
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by davw83 on May 7, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will agree...
that it is about the money in some pro sports.
All one has to do is look at the Dallas Cowboys of late to see that, yes, if the player is good enough and some crazy risk-taking owner is so arrogant that he thinks he can change the player, and he thinks the player is worth the risk, well, that player of questionable behavior will get a shot, and like you mention, their previous run-ins with the law, etc. also gives that team the option of getting a good player at a significantly lower price than if said player had no troubled past. If the Cowboys didn’t already have a quarterback that they have signed for the long term, I seriously think Jerry Jones would take a chance on Vick – it really wouldn’t surprise me in the least.
Now, to get back to Wall and the purpose of this UK blog : )………….
As far as Wall — when in the hell did we all get so judgmental and what gives us the right? It would seem to me that this incident is possibly getting overblown due to the fact that there isn’t much ‘Cat news these days, and it’s quite likely that John Wall is paying the price for people’s boredom and lack of anything else to talk about. Hmm? It’s just a random thought, but, seriously, I’m 30 years old, and picking apart an 18 year old kid and his potential character issues in a public forum really isn’t my thing. Personally, I have plenty of flaws all on my own, and once I get those figured out, I’ll start to cast judgment on a potential UK b-ball player and dissect their behavior and their character. Besides, what are those of you who think this incident is totally unforgivable going to do if Wall signs with UK? As a fan, are you not going to support him while he’s sporting a UK uniform? Really?
by BigSkyCat on May 7, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm more against signing him
Because of the stupidity of the action, not the action itself. I’m sorry, but I’m not a blind-to-the-fact UK fan who just says anything flies as long as we’re winning. Winning at the price of what? Getting players with maturity issues and ones that have to take the ACT a hundred times to qualify? Hey, like a lot of ppl I’ve been arrested before. And I was under 21, but my parents sure as heck weren’t going to brush it off like “oh, he’s still just a kid”.
by daniel81 on May 7, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think the majority of us commenting here right now
are “blind-to-the-fact UK fan[s].” I’m not advocating an “anything flies” mentality, and I’d venture to say that 90+% of UK fans aren’t either.
The point is that this was a misdemeanor—a citation, little more than a speeding ticket. He was not arrested, he was detained. But to you, this is enough to warrant him not being permitted to play for UK if he so wishes?
I really don’t get your point. What is your line? What if he was caught cheating on high school spanish test? No UK? Speeding ticket? No UK?
There are, and should be consequences for bad/incorrect actions, but the punishment should fit the crime. A simple misdemeanor B&E (which, if it isn’t dismissed, will likely be lowered to a simple trespass, in my legal prediction opinion) does not warrant a college barring a player from joining their team, whether that player is the #1 recruit or a walk-on “practice player.”
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on May 7, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No.
What you’re saying is as long as it’s not a felony, what’s the problem? I tend to be proactive, not reactive. You realize how bad UK will look if they sign this guy and he does something else? Risk versus reward, not sure it balances, especially for a guy who will probably be around two years max.
by daniel81 on May 7, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never said that.
I never said “as long as it’s not a felony. . .”
If he was caught drinking and driving, which is not a felony under normal circumstances, I wouldn’t want him on the team. If he was charged with misdemeanor drug possession, that would also be something that would require a lot of thought.
Misdemeanor entering a vacant home—not so much.
You’re not willing to look at what was actually done—you only care that SOMETHING happened, but to you, it doesn’t matter what.
Going into a vacant home is in no way indicative of a young man’s personality, proclivities, and the likliehood of more serious transgressions down the road. It’s just not.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on May 7, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cos after all he's a kid
I got the brainwashing earlier.
by daniel81 on May 7, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Broken record. Geez.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on May 7, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
And hearing all this “everything is OK as long as he didn’t kill anybody” paraphrasing here reminds me of, well, lawyer talk.
by daniel81 on May 7, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guys and Gals
I think we have found an excellent use for “The Door” :-)
This conversation needs to end….
Chill, already !!!
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on May 7, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO…not the DOOR again!!!!
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by ALLBLUCAT on May 7, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who said
“everything is OK as long as he didn’t kill anyone?” Not me, that’s for sure.
I said, misdemeanor entering a vacant house = not a big deal, not questionable character, and not rising to the level of somehow not making John Wall “worthy” of UK.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on May 7, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is also
a concept of appropriate punishment for one’s misdeeds. I have seen a great deal of this lately, the notion that someone does something wrong, so they should be treated extraordinarily harshly, and for as long as we can punish them.
Now before you claim I am putting words in someone’s mouth, I am not saying that anyone here has said that, just making a general observation.
I am the president of a college, and we have a basketball program. We will take Wall in a second. Why? not because he is a gifted athlete. I’ve kicked out any number of athletes for breaking rules. But because what he did was a transgression that doesn’t warrant more punishment than whatever the authorities and his family deem appropriate. It is not for me or any other outsider to punish him. Had he done something cruel, violent, etc., I would be concerned for the well-being of our campus and other students. but he didn’t.
I confess I grow weary of the judge and jury crowd of anonymous bloggers.
by olddoc on May 7, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well as long as your student's doors are locked
There shouldn’t be any problems. I bet your school’s scholarships aren’t judged the same way.
by daniel81 on May 7, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Already convicted
as a repeat offender, I see. Precisely what I mean. Pitiful.
by olddoc on May 7, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well like i said
And no offense, but we’re not talking about Juco Central. It’s UK. Much more focus and attention there. If you start down this road, where exactly does it end and why did we get on it in the first place? Brooks kicked Pulley off the team last year and some didn’t agree. Think you might find it interesting that he’s due in court in my home town of Hopkinsville for failure to pay child support.
by daniel81 on May 7, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
But I believe the poverty of your argument is evident. Slippery slope and all.
by olddoc on May 7, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree to disagree
daniel – i will defend your right to your opinion, but will disagree with you here. that being said, i do believe we need to monitor who we recruit to make sure that we do not get too far down that slippery slope. based on Cal in memphis, we will go much further down that slope that even the Wall situation suggests. for the most part, that worked out here as the kids took advantage of their second chance and got things straightened out…
In the end, i believe it is up to the kid’s parents and Cal to make the decision on the punishment. at that point, if we (or should i say the powers that be) do not agree, then Cal has to go. but he is the head coach and other than raising a red flag, if necessary, that is all we can do.
now if more people start raising a red flag and the voices get louder then something will need to be done – that is the way democracy works
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on May 7, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
should read
“punishment beyond what the law prescribes” in first sentence of second paragraph….
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on May 7, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pulley's situation was much different
Pulley has a multitude of issues stretching over 3 years was given many chances to clean it up and never did. Pulley was necessarily dismissed becuase of criminal issues. I think you are ignoring a lot about the Pulley situation to try and make your point. It is not relevant to the Wall situation at all.
I really dont think you are changing anyone’s mind and as it’s clear you are the only person defending you viewpoint maybe you should think about reconsidering it.
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by davw83 on May 7, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasnt necessarilly dismissed.
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by davw83 on May 7, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You might find it interesting
that Pulley had multiple infractions while already a member of the UK squad. Find a better comparison.
And we get on this road because Coach Cal thinks he can help a kid reach his potential while serving his own goals of winning titles. It is clear that nuance is lost on you because you see this in such black and white terms. Helping kids get their act together is not a sign of being morally bankrupt, quite the opposite.
by Ontherocks on May 7, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
You don’t get multiple without it starting somewhere, some isolated event where it was said he was “just a kid”. and if memory serves me correct, the marijuana possession was the first criminal case.
You know what, fine, give Wall a second chance at UK, though I doubt seriously he ends up here anyway. I hope he does great and becomes a fine young man, doesn’t matter to me. But I still can’t get over the idiocy of doing this at this point in his life.
by daniel81 on May 7, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Multiple without starting somewhere
You are correct about that and yeah it was stupid and sometimes the stupid things people do really leaves me astounded.
I can see why hold your opinion BUT the one action is not yet a pattern and until it is I dont think you should treat the kid like it is.
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by davw83 on May 7, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pulley was busted smoking weed, and then DIDN'T
REPORT IT TO BROOKS.
Busted by the cops smoking weed does not = misdemeanor being in a vacant house.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on May 7, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smoking weed is
A misdemeanor. Though some would argue less threatening than breaking into a house.
by daniel81 on May 7, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I don't think one instance of being cited
for smoking week or a small amount of marijuana possession should warrant dismissal. However, that was the third time, and moreover, he tried to hide it from the coach.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on May 7, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean third time in trouble
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on May 7, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did in fact say
exactly that—the punishment should fit the crime. Misdemeanor being in a vacant house without drugs, booze, vandalizing, etc. does not = too tarnished for UK.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on May 7, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I confess I grow weary of the judge and jury crowd of anonymous blogger
reminds you of the springer crowds.
send us your weary……
I want to die while asleep like my grandfather,
not screaming in terror like the passengers in his car.
by bluecrip on May 7, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Drinking and driving
plenty of UK players have been caught drinking and driving and have stayed on the team.
If you didnt advocate for tossing Jules when he was caught you dont really have a dog in this fight.
Proactive as opposed to reactive. Im glad our judicial system isnt proactive otherwise we would be guilty until proven innocent.
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by davw83 on May 7, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're mixing law with an athletics program
Nowhere in the Constitution are you guaranteed the right to play ball, sorry, not a legit point.
Yeah, I think about any arrest when you’re getting a ride to play a college sport should result in you losing that scholarship. But what do I know, I don’t put winning first.
by daniel81 on May 7, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brother,
you are going to have a hard time enjoying the Calipari era.
by Ontherocks on May 7, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it's recruit thugs
And worry about it later. Some people on here are going to have a full-time job defending him.
by daniel81 on May 7, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not like he is Bob Huggins
Envy our past......Fear our future
by btcoop71 on May 7, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Wall is a thug now?
any other labels you want to go ahead and affix to this kid?
Making unfounded and inappropriate generalizations about young people can be a full time job too.
by Ontherocks on May 7, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are off, man.
flat-tops and mid-range jumpers.
by the monster mash on May 7, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh?
What the heck does the Constitution have to do with this?
The question was, why is it OK for Camara et. al. to be caught in serious misbehavior that jeopardized other people’s lives to be allowed back on the basketball team, yet necessary to deny Wall a scholarship for juvenile misbehavior that jeopardized neither life nor property? I think I could argue that DUI is closer to malum in se than the malum prohibitum for this trespass.
I see that your argument is essentially that the timing of Wall’s misbehavior, so close to his choice of a college, shows reckless disregard for his future. I don’t necessarily agree. Bad behavior that is likely to be chronic often shows itself long before 19, and bad decisions are often made by the young without the forward thinking of adults with more experience. You are projecting your experience onto Wall, and that is your mistake. He doesn’t have the benefit of a sufficient set of life experiences to be held to the timing standard that you have set up. That’s the way I see it, anyway.
He will learn from this, and be the better for it, as we all are when we fail. Failure is the best teacher, and it needn’t be at such a high cost.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on May 7, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was talking about
Thank God judge’s aren’t proactive, which to me has nothing to do with UK’s stance on recruiting.
by daniel81 on May 7, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mistakes
Made by teens are the best teacher in life if the individual learns from said mistakes made. I know my 2 children learned immediately from theirs and seeing all the errors in judgment that 2 of their 4 step siblings experienced as far as a future in life.
Rearing responsible kids in this day and time is so much more difficult for parents, albeit a single parent. There is so much more out there in this world than when I was doing it in the 70’s and 80’s. I would think it would be the toughest job in the world and from experience I know that no matter how good a parent you think you are, kids get in trouble.
I agree with you Tru.
by kykat51 on May 7, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This....
is just a guess, of course, but I have a sneaking suspicion that no matter what happens with the Wall B&E situation legally, Wall’s mother probably didn’t brush it off as “oh, he’s still just a kid”, either. Why not let her handle her 18 year old instead of us as UK fans crucifying him for this (IMO) minor mistake?
I’m certainly don’t consider myself a "blind-to-the-fact" UK fan either, and I don’t really consider myself to be a softy when it comes to dealing with what could be potential headaches for our team, but to be quite truthful, in this case, and as other’s have already stated ad nauseum, there really aren’t enough facts to convince me that Wall is a bad seed and will forever be a problem child.
It’s been lovely chatting with you today, daniel, I have enjoyed it, but now I really must go and check on my children. I think my 3 year old just picked one of the neighbor’s tulips – the horror! I’m pretty sure she will never get into or deserve to get into a good college now. ; )
by BigSkyCat on May 7, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
I hear ya, but to me this is just total stupidity or we don’t know what really happened. The journalist side of me says there’s much more to this story. I don’t think people just walk into homes to check out the wallpaper when they know there isn’t anyone home. Maybe he ditched the evidence when he saw the lights, maybe it was a potential burglary — we’ll never know. Hopefully he was just confused and thought he was going into a haunted house. But if you’ll excuse me BigSky, I have to write a story on a guy who held up a gas station. I’m sure his parents and friends thought he was just being a kid at some point too.
by daniel81 on May 7, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Walk into homes
I love checking out for sale homes.
Mostly models but if a house was open and for sale and nothing was in it I might check out the floor plan. If it was furnished it might be a different story. I would hesitate to walk in without my realtor at that point.
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by davw83 on May 7, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In local news
Davw83 was cited for checking out a breakfast nook at an abandoned house.
by daniel81 on May 7, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That made me laugh
but as the facts are known now that is essentially what you are condemning Wall for.
Anything else on your part is pure speculation. Those my firends are the facts and as such they are undisputable.
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by davw83 on May 7, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did exactly that with my mother over Christmas.
She’s in the market to buy. Technically, by entering a property AND the house belonging to another without their permission, we comitted trespassing and B&E.
Was it somehow different because we were a middle class mother and son in a nice neighborhood?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on May 7, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, so now I'm a racist.
Being that Mr. Wall isn’t buying a house anytime soon, I think once again you’re comparing apples and oranges. How many cases have you won again?
by daniel81 on May 7, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did I say white or black anywhere in my post? You're misreading, or
purposely misstating so many posts here it’s ridiculous. I said middle class and nice neighborhood, as well as the presence of my middle aged mother.
I could be black, white, latino, or south asian for all you know.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on May 7, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Woah!
Hold on there, Tonto. Nobody accused you of racism, or implied it.
Touchy, aren’t we? :-)
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on May 7, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tru I respect your smartness
So I know when you read this and we’re talking about a young black athlete, you can read between the lines as well as me.
“Was it somehow different because we were a middle class mother and son in a nice neighborhood?”
Maybe not racism, but definitely accusing me of prejudice. Which is partially true, I really don’t like white people.
by daniel81 on May 7, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually,
I meant absolutely nothing racial of prejudicial in my statement.
I was comparing:
1. A few teenagers in a vacant house; and;
2. A middle-aged mother and 30ish son in a vacant house in a nice neighborhood.
Legally speaking, how is that different? Wall got hit with B&E, but I’m pretty sure my mother and I were not at much risk for that.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on May 7, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you, Daniel.
But a big part of reading between the lines is knowing when there is something there to read.
I pretty much like everyone the same, white, black, blue, yellow, green, red or chartreuse.
After a while, I think all people of good will learn not to judge a book by it’s cover. :-)
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on May 7, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think someone did imply it back up there somewhere
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by davw83 on May 7, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are over the top...
Let me type real slow so you can keep up! The kid got a freaking citation. He was not arrested, he didnt go to jail, he got a freaking citation.
Lets make sure we no longer recruit anyone who has a seat belt ticket either.
Its a darn misdemeanor, chill out.
by IndyCat644 on May 7, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then why
Did other schools say they are done with him if it twas so simple? By the way it’s let’s, I usually don’t like being the grammar police but it was so glaring that I couldn’t keep reading as slow as you did type.
by daniel81 on May 7, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What other schools
have said that?
None, to my knowledge.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on May 7, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From ASOB two days ago
“Fanhouse claims that Roy Williams and Coach K will now no longer be interested, but the Coach Calipari still will, claiming his intent was “not to indict” UK or “the Wildcat boosters who so desperately want a star point guard.” First of all, why is it the “consensus” that Calipari will still be interested and nobody else will? The author doesn’t attempt to explain that, and just allows the reader to assume that Calipari is fine with taking kids with “a past,” (to be fair, his past indicates that he is), or that Coach K isn’t (Roy Williams backed off Wall weeks ago), or that UK has no other viable options. And is he saying that UK fans are so desperate for a point guard that we would offer a scholarship to a good player regardless of their legal status? What a crock."
Now maybe this incident has nothing to do with Williams not recruiting wall anymore, or maybe ol’ Roy knew something ahead of time. I don’t know, but I do wonder if say UT was still trying to sign him instead of us, if the fans here would have the same view. Impossible to tell really.
by daniel81 on May 7, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roy's "disinterest" had nothing to do with
John Wall…..it had to do with John Wall’s coach. And as I have said before, if John Wall comes knocking, i’ll bet a paycheck that ol Coach K signs him up in a heartbeat….and tells the world he has talked with the young man and now better understands the situation!!…It wouldn’t be the first time
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by ALLBLUCAT on May 7, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
I don’t buy for a second that Duke has backed off, and UNC’s “backing off” has nothing to do with this. They never really pursued him that hard to start with. It wasn’t until Lawson was obviously leaving after the NCAA tournament that Wall popped into the picture, and that was largely because of his living in the area. Once it became apparent Wall was siding with his AAU coach, UNC dropped off.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on May 7, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FANHOUSE
is the wikipedia of blogs. Everything you read on there is totally true.
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by davw83 on May 7, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You owe me.
I just nose-sprayed my new monitor. I’ll be sending you the bill. :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on May 7, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Capitalism works the other way, too
Which is why capitalism DOES work, to a degree.
Vick would NEVER, EVER make money for a team now because he would inspire protests and anger from the fans, which would affect ticket sales and endorsements and sponsors and jersey sales and hurt the wallets of whatever franchise hired him.
And this whole stuff about an insurance broker not getting a second chance like Wall gets??
If Wall had the talent in insurance sales that he has in basketball, and made the kind of money he is capable of making in the NBA, HELL YES he would be hired. I’d hire him now.
Successful car dealers have been to prison. Martha Stewart is a felon who never apologized for her crime.
The defensive tone with Wall is curious. I understand (and agree with) your points about athlete, and especially Wildcat, morality. But to go overboard at this point is unwarranted.
by Filmcat on May 7, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So capitalism works
Because it bases everything on greed? Makes me want to go read communist manifesto again
by daniel81 on May 7, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just wanted to post here because its currently the bottom of the entire thread that started way up top
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on May 7, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good choice....
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on May 7, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Congrats, chirop.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on May 7, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Izzo goes to Broadway
Tom Izzo is one of my favorite coaches and he’s appearing in a one nigh only musical to benefit the American Cancer Society. Izzo talks about something he’s learned during the process – money quote:
Izzo said he can now better understand why players — particularly freshmen — often struggle to do what they’re told on the court (switch on a screen, don’t reach for a steal, whatever) even though they seem to understand in advance. Sometimes, it’s now clear to Izzo, people simply forget to do what they’re supposed to do at the moment when they’re supposed to do it, and it doesn’t mean they’re stupid or lazy or unwilling, it just means that never messing up and always remembering the next move aren’t qualities that come naturally to most.
Something I think more coaches should keep in mind (and probably some fans, too).
I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra
by JLeverenz on May 7, 2009 10:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+1 for Izzo
Think he would have been great at UK. Not saying I’d rather have him that Cal, but still one of my favorite NCAA coaches.
by Acdixon on May 7, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very important
to keep in mind., for everybody…
:-)
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on May 7, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most Ripped
For a while the only picture I saw of Bledsoe was his face from a recruiting site. Now pictures and video are coming out and that kid is RIPPED!
That got me thinking about the most unbelievably cut small players in my time as a UK fan. (I’m only 25, so the unforgettables are one of my first memories.)
My top 3, in no particular order would be Delk, Azubuike, and Bledsoe. Meeks is not far behind, but not quite to their level imo.
What do you all think?
by aidanpryde18 on May 7, 2009 10:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
When I was in middle school...
I remember a picture of Delk’s forearm as he fought for a loose ball, it was gigantic.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on May 7, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to say,
’Buike’s biceps were stunning, ney, breathtaking. And I’m married. To a woman.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on May 7, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Charles Hurt
Would rival those for Most Ripped Wildcat in the modern era.
LeRoy Edwards would win (hands down) from the Golden Era.
by FortyYearCatFan on May 7, 2009 11:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
s/b reply, sorry
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on May 7, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You would never ...
… have thought that about Hurt when I used to play with him in pick-up games when he was in the 8th grade. He was a tall, skinny kid and about as ripped as Olive Oyl.
But he sure grew up into a specimen, that’s for sure.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on May 7, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what about James Lee??
would he qualify?
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by ALLBLUCAT on May 7, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
or The Master Blaster...
Madison from Memphis….
i think he and Lee were ripped when ripped came naturally and not from hard workouts 365 days a year
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by memphis wildcat on May 7, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay Forty,
Now you are really starting to amaze me with your stats….lol…
Just kidding, you always have great stats.
:-)
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on May 7, 2009 11:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Okay, I've got to step in on this
What Forty gave is “information” or “trivia” or “knowledge” but it is not a stat which is, by definition, a number.
Still amazing, but not a stat.
/soapbox
I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra
by JLeverenz on May 7, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I stand corrected :-)
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on May 7, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On David Trimble's article
I was digging through my old Mad magazines earlier this week and found something funny from 1983;
Who are you going to blame…
Coaches who illegally recruit star athletes…
Or, college presidents and alumni that demand winning teams?
I’m not suggesting that Calipari is doing anything illegal, but there is a price you pay for a winning team. For us, that price is $31 million. What we bought is a real chance at a national title in the near future.
Honestly, I demand a winning team also. $31 million or $500, it’s not my money. If somebody else wants to throw millions of dollars at my basketball watching experience, then let them. I won’t criticize it.
by tyler cottrell on May 7, 2009 11:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I guess my main point is
that we all (UK fans) bear some responsibility in the administrations decisions to hire new coaches. I mean, what would a “being an ambassador” or “being a good fit” matter if the fans didn’t make it so? Fans are perhaps the number one reason that the UK head basketball coaching job is so stressful. It seems backwards to complain about a situation we created.
by tyler cottrell on May 7, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rivals dubs UK #1 recruiting class
Not sure if anyone posted this already.
Signing the 6-foot-1 player from Parker High School gives UK arguably the country’s No. 1 recruiting class.
“It puts Kentucky in the top spot,” said Rivals.com national analyst Jerry Meyer, whose service ranked UK’s class No. 4 before Bledsoe signed.
flat-tops and mid-range jumpers.
by the monster mash on May 7, 2009 12:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Joker
Is a class act in every way. I am looking forward to seeing him succeed.
What Wall did we have all done. We just didnt get caught by the police doing it.
Of course we have a win at all costs attitude at Kentucky. We are willing to pay for wins, obviously. We have the highest paid coach, the best facilities, the best everything. That is a win at all costs attitude. Doesnt mean we break rules, we just pay whatever it takes. The Donald would be proud.
Finally, Tru, if you do not believe the money going to Cal could be diverted as some governmental entity sees fit, wait till year 2 of Obama’s administration.
by Dini-D-Alum on May 7, 2009 12:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
last paragraph is politics
so all i will say is: lol
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on May 7, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great article on Joker and Brooks
I forsee the UK football program flourishing in the years to come. Papa Brooks, DON"T GO JUST YET!!! GIVE US TWO MORE!!!!
I want to die while asleep like my grandfather,
not screaming in terror like the passengers in his car.
by bluecrip on May 7, 2009 12:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Posted by Ryan a Florida fan
“John Calipari can sell ice to the eskimos. He is just an amazing recruiter. We really needed Bledsoe…Kentucky will also get John Wall…This really sucks. I really wanted to sweep them next season. They will be scary good”… Found this on one of the florida links.
It’s music to my ears.
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by davw83 on May 7, 2009 12:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How the hell did they think they would sweep us?
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on May 7, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
UF fans are delusional
These are people that actually like Joakhim Noah.
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by davw83 on May 7, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Non UK related
Manny Ramirez suspended 50 games for violating the MLB drug policy.
Envy our past......Fear our future
by btcoop71 on May 7, 2009 1:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wonder what "personal health" issue the substance addressed?
viagra?
by mrmondaynite on May 7, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh.
That is what I thought – the drug was a female hormone that triggers testosterone production, commonly used by athletes coming off of steroids, or as a steroid replacement.
Seems like it could also be used as a medical treatment for men that do not produce enough testosterone naturally.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on May 7, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was having trouble getting pregnant.
The King is dead! Long live the King!
by NYCCats on May 8, 2009 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wall (or another Door)
This may have been posted…but I found the inclusion of another "door’ for our news-mad BBN humorous.
The story contains some information I had not read/heard about the incident.
My position? Any judgment for Wall and this incident should not and cannot be made without more first-hand information.
by CAWebb on May 7, 2009 1:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Doyel on Wall
Gregg Doyel weighs in on Wall and Renardo Sidney (of some slight interest to UK, but not relevant to the current thread conversation) and his take is pretty much the same as mine. To wit:
I have two sons, 13 and 11, and if by college the worst thing they’ve done is be spotted leaving an empty house … give me a standing ovation. Because I will have done one hell of a job as a parent.
Doyel’s shots at the Raleigh police department are unnecessary, they were just doing their job after all but that doesn’t negate his central point. Yes Wall did something wrong and against the law, but it’s like jaywalking or speeding – against the law but not indicative of any character flaw. The old cliche “making a mountain out of a molehill” comes to mind after reading some of the comments about this issue.
I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra
by JLeverenz on May 7, 2009 1:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My feelings exactly.
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by Truzenzuzex on May 7, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amen brother......tell it all....!!
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by ALLBLUCAT on May 7, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well feel free to send me money or light candles in my honor.
I’ve got two sons, 21 & 18, that have never been in trouble with the police…knock on wood. No misdemeanors. I must be a fantastic parent.
Now my kids aren’t saints and neither am I. It’s just not that difficult to raise a son and to teach him that it isn’t right nor smart to enter someone else’s house. And if they did, there would be severe consequences…at least for my 18 yr old….and I certainly wouldn’t be dismissive nor justify that criminal act. And by the way, it’s not jaywalking or speeding.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on May 7, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So I will ask you Hoze
based on what you are saying, you seem like a decent, concerned, caring parent…..IF….and that’s a big IF….one of yours was in consideration for a UL scholarship, and he went out and got himself TICKETED….because thats what the kid got…..A TICKET….no arrest….and SO FAR….no conviction would you feel that he had given up his right to be recruited by UL?….or would you feel that you could make a case for this being an isolated situation?
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by ALLBLUCAT on May 7, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If....and that's a big IF....
…you ask me nicer, I may respond.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on May 7, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the big IF
I was referring to was one of your kids getting into trouble after having been raised by a decent, concerned, caring parent….no offense intended, I was actually giving you the benefit of the doubt…..
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by ALLBLUCAT on May 7, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough...my apologies.
I don’t think the situation relates from a perspective standpoint. As a parent, I believe I would support my son and would hope the school would stick to it. I am sure I would make an argument on his behalf (of course, my son’s know that my influence wanes legally after they turned 18)
However, I would understand if the school would back off. I’d be disappointed of course, but I would get it.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on May 7, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats reasonable by anyone's standards....
so let’s let this kids mom have the same benefit of the doubt….no one can fault a parent for sticking up for their child…..that can sometimes cloud their judgement, but not their love for the kid. I want what’s best for mine too…..and if that includes a hard lesson in life about consequences, then so be it….but don’t put this kid in a hole before he is actually convicted of a crime…..if he signs with us…or Duke…or whomever….he will become a productive member of society if he holds down a job and raises HIS kids right as well….who knows….maybe this becomes the most important lesson the kid ever learns…..with the exception of hiring a VERY good tax attorney….lol
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by ALLBLUCAT on May 7, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't criticized the kid's mom if she is indeed, defending him.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on May 7, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didnt mean to imply you had
I just think we could all let this thing die down until there is an actual conviction….if there is going to be one
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by ALLBLUCAT on May 7, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the way......
…where exactly is the lesson if UK offers the scholly?
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on May 7, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where was the lesson...
in giving Derrick Caracter multiple chances?
in giving Jules Camara a second chance?
in giving Gerald Fitch a second chance?
in giving Joe Crawford a chance to come back?
The lesson is that they may not be bad guys after all and are deserving of a second chance. In some cases you will get burned and in some it will pay off for both the coach and player in spades.
I don’t think we need the kid either, but I don’t think we back off because of this.
by Ontherocks on May 7, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Knock, knock. Hellllooooo?
The difference is that these players were on the team. That’s a huge difference. I may have a completely different opinion if Wall was on the team. I believe that each and every player above was punished somehow behind the scenes.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on May 7, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I honestly wasn't aware that
giving a scholarship to a potential player also encompassed a free leesson. Nice. Does that count towards their graduation credits?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on May 7, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
leeson? Ug. lesson
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on May 7, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The lesson is that
he comes to a place where he receives something that he understands helped change his life, with a coach that seems to be willing to help guide the kid in the right direction. We all need a little grounding every now and then…something to keep our egos in check and remind us that there is a really big world out there and we just live on it. College can be about more than playing ball, and maybe he gets a little something out of the experience that makes him a better man….listen to some of the things Derrick Rose says about Calipari….he feels like the man is another father….college coaches have so much influence with these kids later on in life….and if the kid is guilty, he needs the guidance more than some
Remember, we're having fun now!!!
by ALLBLUCAT on May 7, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
I think the lesson here is that apparently we really do thrive on negativity. As it was said, “The only thing people like more than building a hero up is tearing him down”.
I think it’s truly sad that there’s all this scutiny about Wall is his mistake and there’s not one mention of the point guard we do have name Eric Bledsoe. Personally I embrace the positive and am ecstatic we got the kid! Congrats on being a Cat Eric!!!
by slidemank on May 7, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry.......
about the typos. Just can’t believe nobody can talk about anything but Wall.
by slidemank on May 7, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent point.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on May 7, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The lesson is in ...
… the punishment Wall receives for his offense, which by the way, is his very first. In case you forgot, society has a say in this. Why not let society pass judgment, dispense punishment, and then move on, especially when we are talking about such a relatively trivial offense?
But then again, perhaps you are right. Maybe Wall should be denied the opportunity to play in the Association as well as UK. Based on your reasoning, it makes sense to think that the NBA should play it safe as well. Wall could turn out to be a distraction, even an axe murderer. One never knows what a person entering an unoccupied residence during his teen years might be capable of, n’est pas?
So having denied him the opportunity of secondary education and a chance to earn lots of money due to his miscreant behavior, we might as well deport him to … I don’t know, maybe France. They don’t seem to mind lawlessness much over there. Let the Euros take a chance. Here in America, only the truly vituous may apply to our universities for academic assistance. Let the rest grub for what they can at some worthless JUCO.
Turpitudo delenda est!
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on May 7, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never wrote that he should be denied the opportunity to play in the Association.
People are so busy defending their compromised position that they can’t read straight. I wrote that UK is better than to pursue this kid. They don’t need him and his scholly will ‘kick off’ a current player….probably a really good kid like Harrellson. Is that the type of program you want????
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on May 7, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is UK better than to pursue Wall?
I can’t tell what your point is.
Is it:
A. He was cited for misdemeanor being in a vacant house; or
B. Giving him a scholarship would necessitate another player leaving?
If it’s A, I’ve said about all I can on that. Not a big deal.
If it’s B, I assume you’ve spoken to Calipari, and you know for a fact that no other player is leaving because of grades, or becaue they want to, etc. You know that the only way is to kick off a current player against their will.
Sinec you’ve spoken to the coach and administration, that’s cool.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on May 7, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know you didn't.
That was me, applying your harsh judgment with consistency. I shouldn’t have to explain that, you are the guy who is always consistent. You told me so yourself. :-)
Nobody will be kicked off. If they are, I will howl loudly.
Players may prefer to play elsewhere if they realize their playing time here may be limited. But nobody is going to be kicked off.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on May 7, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nixon wasn't kicked out of office either...he resigned.
C’mon, Tru. I know you are not that naive. Let’s not play games.
Sorry I think it shameful that Cal is heavily recruiting past the open slots. Spare me the math and scenarios. It’ not ‘illegal’ granted, but it isn’t right. Once again, UK is better than that.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on May 7, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hoze
At a certain point your aggressive asserting of your opinions stops being informative and sounds like trolling. Is your purpose to just get lots of heated responses and attention?
Yes, you think it’s “shameful” that Cal is heavily recruiting players only days AFTER a coaching change, a move that will COMPLETELY revamp the ENTIRE offensive system and players needed to execute that system. We get it. Yes, you think UK is “better than that.”
Even though every coaching changes goes through this. And even with consistent teams, no team ignores incoming skilled players to simply play seniority. Coach Cal said he’d be honest with players that they might not see playing time but could keep scholarships. That’s honest and consistent.
You might disagree, but no reason to be so shrill about it. We’re all fans. We all love the sport and want to see our team be the best on and off the court.
by Filmcat on May 7, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of Course It Is
Is your purpose to just get lots of heated responses and attention?
I trust that was a rhetorical question, Filmcat. Of course that’s the purpose of HK, it’s clamantly transparent and ASoB would be well served if UK fans eschewed response.
by Wild Weasel on May 7, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i believe Hoze has a valid point
but it is a question without a right or wrong answer.
As much as i believe Cal has the right to get players he believes work in his system (afterall if he is not successful, we – the collective we – will call for his head), it does seem unfair to encourage a kid to leave (kick-off) with a scholarship.
Tru, i agree in theory that a kid should be allowed to ride the bench if he wants, but the opportunity cost of letting him get a free education and one of the best seats in the house is a bit steep. if the kid is really a ball player he will want to play – if he wants to be a spectator, then let him pay for school and Cal can promise him some free tickets….
Maybe UK is above that – maybe not. I know the cardinal on Hoze’s posts taints our interpretation of his comments, but i do believe he makes a point.
on his Wall points, i believe he is taking too high a ground – at this point. maybe i believe that because i have seen Cal give players that have committed much worse a second chance (two allegedly struck females) that i am desentisized (sp?). time will tell…
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on May 7, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like I care.
The temperature of your response is entirely up to you. Thanks for the personnel assessment, but you may first try to write an original thought or give a unique perspective. After that, I may care….but again, maybe not.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on May 7, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hoze
Why don’t you head over to Card Chronicle and write a Fanpost defending your basketball coach and the stories circulating in Louisville at this time?
It would seem to me that you would be more interested in your basketball program than ours at this time.
Just a thought.
by kykat51 on May 7, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah.
Well, there you go. All I can say is that my position has been unchanged from the beginning. Anyone currently on scholarship and otherwise qualified should not have that scholarship withdrawn. If they want to stay at UK and ride the bench, they should have that opportunity.
As long as that is the rule, I can hardly complain. Not too sure why you feel compelled to, but it’s your opinion and you’re welcome to it.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on May 7, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
EXACTLY
flat-tops and mid-range jumpers.
by the monster mash on May 7, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Along other lines. . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7UHeE5rYV4&feature=related
Our boy Rondo with massive dunk (I think his head clears the rim by an inch or two) last night.
Dwight Howard didn’t even try to stop him.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on May 7, 2009 3:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what's better, I think that dunk is what gave him 10 points and the triple double
It was an awesome play, and can you really blame Howard and Rashard Lewis for parting before the majesty and magnificence that is Rajon Rondo?
Ok, that might be a bit much, but it was still pretty cool.
I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra
by JLeverenz on May 7, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I swear that kid impresses me more every time
I see him…..and I was not a big fan of his while he was at UK….I thought he played too fast for the team he had….I see he doesnt have that problem in the pros….lol
Remember, we're having fun now!!!
by ALLBLUCAT on May 7, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
the rest of the team played too slow for the PG we had. Just a thought :)
by Ontherocks on May 7, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That IS true
but unfortunately it is easier for 1 man to adjust than 4
Remember, we're having fun now!!!
by ALLBLUCAT on May 7, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love to watch Rondo play,
When he was here at UK, those hands were so quick, I was looking for a steal every time he got near the opponent. Such fun….
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on May 7, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And with his assists,
he can turn it over 9 times a game and still have a 2:1 A/TO ratio.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on May 7, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A little perspective on the John Wall misdemeanor
UT football is taking someone in their class who is associated with a rape.
All things considered… I’ll overlook the stroll through an abandoned house.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on May 7, 2009 4:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
When we start comparing ourselves
To the morals of UT football, it’s time to throw in the towel.
by daniel81 on May 7, 2009 4:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not comparing to the morals of UT football
I am saying, that in the scheme of things… taking a stroll through an abandoned house is pretty low on the totem poll and I provided an example of something that is decidedly worse.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on May 7, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
best point all day.....
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on May 7, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
daniel, that is...
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on May 7, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Basketball pactice
I think we need to come up with a new topic, this is getting beat to death!! When can Coach Cal begin working with the players again, and begin to to form his roster? Did I read someone says there will only be 2 walk ons this year? Krebs and Perry? Where did that come from? Thoughts?
by UK1972 on May 7, 2009 4:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, the rumors are flying that
Pitino will be resigning. All rumors, of course.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on May 7, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh God.
I hope not. I so want to see Pitino vs. Calipari. Real bad. Really, really bad.
Please let it be false. Please … :-(
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on May 7, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where is this info coming from?
Is this just word of mouth, an article maybe?
by middleman_99_98 on May 7, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone heard about 2 possible NCAA rule changes?
Didn’t see the discussion anywhere, but it is sort of hard to look…lol
I think the safe zone will be hard to call for the refs and will result in no call or bad call opinions from the fans. I mean, how will they be allowed to judge the small area from the front of the rim to the front of the backboard? Smaller than the NBA arc. As for shooting free throws for an injured player. I am okay with one of the remaining 4 shooting them for him. I could live with that.
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on May 7, 2009 4:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Block-Charge Rule Change In Works
Finally the NCAA may add the NBA “under the basket arc”.
by Wild Weasel on May 7, 2009 4:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
But is this a good change for us as we move into the DDMO?
I’d say toss up for now.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on May 7, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
about time
I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra
by JLeverenz on May 7, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rondo Remembers UK Boos
He said he hadn’t been booed as hard as he was in Chicago since he attended Kentucky.
Part of much longer piece on Rondo and playoffs.
by Wild Weasel on May 7, 2009 5:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't remember boos for him
That’s a real shame.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on May 7, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
shame as well
One thing that BCG did that i respected was allowing Rondo to be on the floor on senior night for crawford and bradley…..
hopefully, Cal can build on that and get Rondo back involved at uk
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on May 7, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't read that as boos from the Rupp fans...
I’m assuming he means boos while wearing a Kentucky uniform while visiting other venues.
by TXCat on May 8, 2009 7:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No surprise really....
Rivals.com told a Lexington media outlet, KY has the new #1 recruiting class, up from #4
It still sounds good….
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on May 7, 2009 5:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And looks good...
…haven’t seen this particular link posted…
by atom on May 7, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well Tru,
I have looked at it all day, and just now noticed the caption under Coach Cal’s pic on the top of today’s post….That is very funny…Thanks, by the way, for all the links…I read each and every one…
:-)
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on May 7, 2009 7:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"Obstinate Foolishness"
Georgetown News and David Trimble have their say:
Bottom line, the constant drumbeat of criticism of coach Calipari’s contract by the Lexington Herald-Leader and others is nothing short of obstinate foolishness.
by Wild Weasel on May 7, 2009 10:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Calipari Ultimate Salesman, Er, Recruiter
Don’t be surprised if Wall joins Bledsoe plus Patterson and Meeks return.
by Wild Weasel on May 7, 2009 10:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
CBS College Sports: Patterson To Return
DirectTV channel 613 running announcement on ticker. Plus on KI.
by Wild Weasel on May 7, 2009 10:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
CBS In Error
Appears CBS ran some old information.
by Wild Weasel on May 8, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
CBS may be in error, and they may not...this might be
just exactly what it seems…..the leak may have gotten out there this way to protect Patrick in case a lottery pick is in the offing. He may be trying to gauge response to coming back. I don’t know, its just that so much of this stuff ends up having a hint of truth to it. Maybe he said something to someone in passing or by mistake and this is the only way to get it out there. A LOT of sites are now making noise about this.
Remember, we're having fun now!!!
by ALLBLUCAT on May 8, 2009 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pitino To NBA?
Never underestimate the power of sex and money. Yahoo sports reporting Pitino is interested in Sacremento Kings and co-owner Kevin Maloof is intrigued.
by Wild Weasel on May 7, 2009 11:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pitino to NBA again
I don’t doubt that story at all. The further he can get away from Kentucky and the whole fiasco he is involved in, the better.
by kykat51 on May 7, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Pitino goes...
… how quickly things change! In 3 months time everything has been turned on its head.
Amazing.
by Filmcat on May 7, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LSU Dismisses Basketball Freshman
Delwan Graham let go for team rules violation.
by Wild Weasel on May 7, 2009 11:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hogs Basketball Receives NCAA Warning
"Just as we have taken steps to lay the groundwork for an even stronger team on the court, our coaches and academic support staff have worked with our student-athletes to help them enhance their academic progress
by Wild Weasel on May 7, 2009 11:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not just Arkansas in hot water
Plenty of teams got slapped by the APR.
Arkansas: Public notice
Auburn: Limit of 12 next year
Ball State: 11
Chattanooga: 12
Colorado: 12
Delaware State: 12
Eastern Washington: Public notice
George Washington: 12
Georgia Southern: 12
Georgia State: 12
Georgia Tech: 11
Grambling: Public notice
Illinois-Chicago: 12
Indiana: 11
IUPUI: 10
Jacksonville State: 12
Kennesaw State: 11
Louisiana Tech: 12
Morgan State: 12
Ohio State: 11
Oral Roberts: 12
Pepperdine: 11
Portland State: 11
Prairie View: Public notice
Purdue: 12
San Francisco: 11
South Carolina: 12
Southeast Missouri: 12
Southern Utah: 12
Tennessee: 12
Tennessee-Martin: 12
Texas A&M-Corpus Christi: 12
Texas Southern: 11
Texas State: 12
UAB: 12
UC-Santa Barbara: 12
UT- San Antonio: 12
Western Illinois: 12
Georgia Tech, Ohio State, and Indiana losing two scholarships has got to suck! IU losing two isn’t a big surprise with what they’ve been through. And really, neither is Ohio State with all the one-and-dones they roll through there.
Out of the SEC there’s a good number of names up there… Arkansas, Auburn, South Carolina, and Tennessee are all in trouble.
Thank God Gillispie made the kids go to class at least… can you imagine the angst around this recruiting class if we didn’t have the full number of scholarships?!!?
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on May 8, 2009 7:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Imagine if?
I think there would have been hair all over the floor here, if we had lost one. The shear thoughts of 2 may have pushed some over the edge…..LOL… Thankfully KY is awesome…..
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on May 8, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also...
if Pitino goes to the NBA… do you think he will push as hard for Pelphrey or Ford to take over his team? :-)
by Filmcat on May 8, 2009 1:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He may push, but a lot of that might hinge on WHY he would actually
be leaving….if this NBA thing is to make the Sypher thing go away, it may not work. If it is just to see if he could raise his NBA record, I can think of some other franchises that he could do better at than Sacremento that would probably welcome him with open arms.
Remember, we're having fun now!!!
by ALLBLUCAT on May 8, 2009 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pelphrey would NOT take over UL
program. NEVER!!!
ha ha ha ha!! that was a good one filmcat! :)
I want to die while asleep like my grandfather,
not screaming in terror like the passengers in his car.
by bluecrip on May 8, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bluecrip,
your signature line is so funny……..seeing it again this morning has made me laugh once again…Thanks for the great laugh….
:-)
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on May 8, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and I agree
But NEVER is an understatement in this case….hahaha
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on May 8, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my pleasure
i am sifting the sands of time and space for more great one liners ;)
I want to die while asleep like my grandfather,
not screaming in terror like the passengers in his car.
by bluecrip on May 8, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
10 years ago would you have
said that Pitino would go to Louisville????
Remember, we're having fun now!!!
by ALLBLUCAT on May 8, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or that Pelphry would go to Arkansas?!!?
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on May 8, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Arkansas is not UK's biggest rival
John IS a Wildcat……
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on May 8, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pelphrey will not even say the name Louisville
Spitino to UL means nothing in this instance.
Don’t compare Pelphrey to Spitino. please.
I want to die while asleep like my grandfather,
not screaming in terror like the passengers in his car.
by bluecrip on May 8, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know what is amazing to me??
There were more posts on this thread, than the day before. That post was when Eric Bledsoe put on that KY hat and signed his LOI. The day he said he wanted to be part of tradition. The day he said he wanted to be a Kentucky Wildcat. Awesome in my book. Glad to have you Eric….
Then this thread gets carried away, literally, about something that makes no sense “discussing” back and forth because some think it is a big deal and some don’t . Refusing to agree to disagree.
:-)
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on May 8, 2009 9:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Funny.
And by my very elementary count, you made 20 comments in this thread. As of right now, without those 20 comments, the “Morning Newspaper for May 7th” comment count wouldn’t have surpassed the “Eric Bledsoe to UK thread”. : )
But, I do agree with your main point, and it is indeed great that Eric Bledsoe is now an official cat. Welcome aboard, Eric!
: )
by BigSkyCat on May 8, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many did I have the day before?
I try not to get involved in certain discussions, if they go too far. I will have to try harder then. :-)
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on May 8, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had to see for myself so
I roughly counted around 40 the day before. So I did try to stay out of it fairly well, I think.:-)
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on May 8, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh,
I wasn’t trying to discourage you from commenting, certainly not. I just found it ironic that you were taking issue with the number of comments in the “Morning Newspaper” post compared to the lack of comments in the “Bledsoe to UK” post when you had your fare share of comments in the “Morning Newspaper” post.
Comment away, honey! After all, that’s what blogs are for, right? : )
by BigSkyCat on May 8, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry a2,
but this is a place to comment. Sometimes that leads to spirited debate. Obviously daniel and I posted the most yesterday, but who cares? We had something to debate, we did so, and while I’m sure we both remain committed to our postiions, we’ve moved on.
I don’t feel bad for engaging in a lengthy debate on one topic. I’ve very very happy that Bledsoe is a Cat, and my debate about John Wall yesterday doesn’t change or take away from that.
I doubt Bledsoe is sitting at home shedding tears because the post about him being a Cat garnered less comments than a debate about John Wall.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on May 8, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no problem
though I always have said it is no big deal……oops another comment from me..lol
:-)
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on May 8, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh.
We’re on the same page about that issue, that’s true.
I really rather enjoyed the debate yesterday, though it was maddening at times.
Tru tends to be fairly lenient about debates raging on, as long as that debate isn’t Tubby/Tubby’s recruiting, etc.
I will say it’s time for him or Ken to put something up this morning though. . .
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on May 8, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chalk it up to Hoze....lol
Remember, we're having fun now!!!
by ALLBLUCAT on May 8, 2009 10:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no it started wayyyyyyyyyyyyy
before Hoze got here
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on May 8, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Relax a2.....all this recruiting nonsense will be over in a couple weeks
and we can all go back to griping about something else!!!!….lol
Remember, we're having fun now!!!
by ALLBLUCAT on May 8, 2009 10:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
But gripe we shall
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on May 8, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where do I start?
Greetings to all, and to all good commenting! I may be new to this stuff, but it is entertaining. Much more then my six kids. I laughed out loud a few times listening to all of you, so this blogging stuff has comicical value. Bledsoe is a major recruit, to which I say “thank you Eric”. We aren’t used to landing everyone we go after. But, I think I can get used to it! Don’t say that this will all be over in a couple of weeks! That’s not nice. To Hozerman I say this: It’s always prudent to clean your own house before insulting your neighbor about the condition of his. When you haven’t been in his house. All of the things that you find sooooo offensive in UK you seem to overlook in UL?! Crum was notorious for over-recruiting, for kicking boys off of the team when he needed a “scholly”, for looking the other way about drugs, education, alcohol, partying. Petrino, well, that’s all that we need to say there. Ricky P. has always had a certain reputation that isn’t exactly public conversation material. Just ask T.Meiners. Do you remember “Sumpter”?
There’s a UL site that I highly recommend you check out Hozerboy, It’s called “The house of GLASS”!!!! Bring your own stones though, they don’t supply them for you. And you don’t want to go barefoot in that park. Good luck next year Hozerpuppy, Who’s gonna be your new coach?
Food for thought: The virgin birth has much more to do with the absense of a natural earthly father then the use of a virgin mother. Now, chew.....
by blubloodcatfan on May 8, 2009 8:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmmmm...I'll give you 10 to1 that you've never been inside a UK classroom.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on May 11, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
blublood
First of all I want to welcome you to this blog. I may be biased but I think it is the best for UK athletics on the Web.
We do have a lot of parents here of all ages with children of the same. I find it very courageous of you and your wife to adopt 6 children. I think it is the toughest job in the world in this day to rear children to be responsible adults and I wish you and yours all the blessings in the world in getting it done. Children can be the greatest joy in one’s life…teens…I had my fill of them also. But most of the six are successful today.
Enjoy ASOB.
by kykat51 on May 11, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Hoze
Just because he is or is not a UK alum, it does not make any difference as to why he is a UK fan.
There are many of us in the BBN that never went to UK. I know I did not and neither did any of brothers or sisters, parents or grandparents. It is just a love for UK that was instilled in us since birth following the great passion that my Dad had for UK basketball and football.
by kykat51 on May 11, 2009 8:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey kykat51
I know that I’m a few days late with my response to your kind words?! Forgive me please. I haven’t had much time to play on the puter lately. Had to preach a sermon Sunday! It was called “don’t quit”. I appreciate your appreciation, and my wife says thanks as well. She’s my “betta half” for sure. Our kids are a handfull, but I have a strange feeling that God is doing more in us then them! Courageous is a good word. They are blessings though. Just pray for us a little more then them! A person doesn’t have to have a DEGREE in UK basketball to be a fan, do they?
Food for thought: The virgin birth has much more to do with the absense of a natural earthly father then the use of a virgin mother. Now, chew.....
by blubloodcatfan on May 18, 2009 8:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not much time?
That is probably an understatement with six children and a job and a wife to boot!
There are thousands of UK diehards who never even seen the campus. No degree needed from either UK or the basketball program….just live the madness of the BBN.
by kykat51 on May 19, 2009 3:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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