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UK Football: Spring Practice Wrap-up -- The Quarterbacks

This is the second in a series of posts examining how the personnel for the 2009 UK football season are shaping up.

As Kentucky football fans look anxiously ahead to the start of the 2009 season, the quarterback position, to most anyway, seems to be a big question mark.

Will Mike Hartline perform up to the standards set by previous UK signal-callers?  Will one of the incoming freshman make the job his own?  Will Randall Cobb's freakish ability leave the UK coaching staff no choice?

I may not have all the answers (or any answers for that matter), but we'll at least take a spring look at how the most important position on the gridiron may shake-out for the '09 season.

 

Star-divide

UK's 2008 Quarterback Numbers

Points Per Game -- 22.6

First Downs Passing -- 98

Passing Attempts -- 415

Passing Completions -- 227

Completion Percentage -- 54.7

Interceptions -- 13

Passing Touchdowns -- 11 (out of 36 scored)

Yards Gained Per Pass -- 5.4

Yards Gained Per Completion -- 9.8

Sacks -- 13 (88 yards lost)

The Quarterbacks

Players lost to graduation:  Zero

Returning players of note:  Mike Hartline - 172-311 (55.3%), eight interceptions and nine touchdown passes in nine starts.  He rushed for -9 yards: Randall Cobb - 52-99 (52.5%), five interceptions and two touchdown passes in four starts: Will Fidler - 3-4 (75.0%), zero interceptions and zero touchdown passes.

Possibly the most discussed position on the Kentucky football team, not only last season, but also this off-season, has been the quarterback spot.  Incumbent starter Mike Hartline has been embattled and belittled almost since Day 1 of his tenure as UK's starting quarterback.  But, with head coach Rich Brooks making it very clear that sophomore Randall Cobb will be concentrating on playing one of the wide-out positions, with the occasional dalliance as a QB out of the Wildcat Package (more on that later), the job is Hartline's to lose.

The 2008 football season saw a myriad of problems in UK's passing game.  Hartline, only a sophomore who had never started a game at the collegiate level, found himself under-throwing receivers, over-throwing receivers, and throwing wide.  To add to the offensive chaos often present, the fleet of extremely young Wildcat receivers were drop-prone to a disturbing degree.

Add in the fact that UK's top receiver, Dicky Lyons, played in only six games, and junior DeMoreo Ford was mostly ineffective before suffering a career-ending injury, and the young quarterback was obviously struggling with his confidence. 

Also, Hartline wasn't allowed to throw the deep ball (for fear of being intercepted), much to the consternation of his receivers, which only caused the opposing secondary and linebackers to cheat-up on the short and medium range passes.  Resulting in a pathetic yards per completion average of only 9.8. 

All of these factors contributed to a moribund passing game.

This year, with Brooks and Phillips solidly behind Hartline as quarterback (at least to start the season), he will hopefully display a greater effectiveness at the all-important position.

UK's newly minted offensive head coach Joker Phillips hopes that Hartline is becoming more comfortable in his role:

"I think Mike has handled himself well this spring.  I think what has helped is him knowing that it's his job.  When we went through the bowl preparations, that's when you saw him improve a lot.  He knew it was his show, and he played well in the bowl game.  And he's had a pretty good spring.  The ball has been coming out of his hands pretty well, and he's always been great managing the team."

Hartline's Liberty Bowl numbers seem to bear out Phillips' words -- 19-31 for 204 yards, with one pick and a touchdown pass.  His 61.3% completion percentage was a full six-percentage points higher than his regular season numbers.

Phillips also brings up the oft-repeated refrain that Hartline is a good "game manager."  Often that implies that Hartline's job is to NOT lose the game, instead of him making plays that enable his team to win.  Hartline knows this, and responded:

"I'm starting to take it personally as my responsibility to not only come out and not lose, but to win the game as well.  Making plays, not just doing what the coaches ask me to do.  Exhaust all my options before I throw the ball away, or run the ball.  Last fall, it was more about going through your progressions and getting rid of it.  Right now, I feel like I'm coming into my own and becoming my own player, not just doing what I have to do to get by."

Phillips re-emphasizes his stance; that in order for Hartline to be effective he must feel good about himself, and confident in what he's doing on the field:

"Our whole spring has been to make sure he feels good about himself.  We did that with Andre (Woodson) a couple of years ago.  We wanted to make sure he felt comfortable with everything we're doing offensively.  That's what we're doing with Mike also."

The Wildcat Package

Although Randall Cobb is firmly considered by Brooks to be a wide-receiver, the UK coach has decided to use the multi-talented sophomore at the quarterback spot in what has been dubbed "The Wildcat Package."

Cobb will line up at the QB spot, but unlike other receivers/running backs who have been used in this way, he won't be a lock to run with the ball.  He presents the defense with two possibilities: He might run, then again he might pass the ball.

Brooks sounds optimistic and excited about the possibilities:

"I think it will give some teams some preparation problems.  It will give teams a different look and some things to be concerned about, and it's also putting the ball in the hands of a guy who can do special things.  We'll see how it works."

Try as I might, I can't fathom how such a play package wouldn't be effective, especially considering how demonstrably dangerous Randall Cobb has proved to be.

The Freshman Phenoms

The excitement generated by the signing of high school All-America quarterbacks Morgan Newton and Ryan Mossakowski is palpable within the Big Blue Nation.  Kentucky football fans haven't been this jacked-up about any incoming freshman since Tim Couch inked with UK back in 1996.  But, how much clock-time either of the two standouts receives in the immediate future, is very much up for debate. 

But that fact doesn't preclude me from taking a look at the accolades and numbers of the two heralded recruits:

Morgan Newton -- 6-4, 220 lbs.  Newton is rated a 4-star prospect by Scout.  He was a Parade, SuperPrep, MaxPreps, and The Sporting News All-America.  He was Indiana's Mr. Football, and Scout rated him the sixth best quarterback prospect in the nation.

Newton, in his senior year, threw for 1,938 yards and 22 touchdowns, and ran for 1,664 yards and 26 touchdowns.  His junior year he threw for 1,885 yards and 25 touchdowns, and rushed for 753 yards and 11 touchdowns.

If you're counting at home; that's 84 total touchdowns over his last two years.  Perhaps that's why he led Carmel High School to three straight Indiana state championship games.

Ryan Mossakowski -- 6-4, 201 lbs.  Mossakowski is rated a 4-star recruit.  He was a SuperPrep and PrepStar All-America, and he's rated one of the top-25 quarterback prospects in the nation.  All of this after missing a significant portion of the season after tearing his labrum (in his shoulder) last year.

The Frisco, Texas native, in his final three years of high school, passed for 6,834 yards and 49 touchdowns, and rushed for 787 yards and 19 touchdowns.

CliffsNotes Analysis

As of yet, I make no predictions on how the quarterback battle will play out as the season progresses.  Joker Phillips, though, seems to be allaying any fears that Mike Hartline may have about losing his job to one of the newcomers, at least early on:

"He knows how hard it is for a freshman.  I would think he would have the feeling it would be tough for a freshman to come in here on opening day and take his job.  We've got to find out if they can win the job, and he understands that.  Deep in his mind, though, I bet he knows how hard it is for a freshman to come in here on opening day and be the guy."

Hartline will absolutely have to put up better numbers than he did last year, or one of the two phenoms (most likely Newton) will have the opportunity to take his job.

The coaches and fans will be looking for a smoother, more efficient offensive machine than we witnessed last year.  Dropped passes aside, if there is no vertical passing game, and if his completion percentage isn't improved, then a change, at some point, will have to be made.

Phillips makes a good point, though: Winning with a freshman in the SEC is tough.  But, if one is left with no other alternative ...

Thanks for reading, and Go 'Cats!

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Newton should see a lot of snaps

Hartline just doesn’t cut it

Envy our past......Fear our future

by btcoop71 on May 4, 2009 9:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I know this much....

with as much talent as we have at the position this year, we should have no problems if injuries arise….If Hartline is greatly improved it will be a nice perk…..but if he isnt, I dont think the coaches will have any choice but to give these freshmen a chance….too much talent to sit on the bench if things ar not going well

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on May 4, 2009 10:00 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thread Hijack

Per KSR John Wall is to be charged with breaking and entering

Here’s the link.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/5075734

Guess we will be going hard after Bledsoe now.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on May 4, 2009 10:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

this will not slow Cal down on Wall

not saying that is good or bad, just sayin’

In fact, if anything, Cal will use it as a chance to show how he supports his players when something happens…..

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on May 4, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you memphis

good point.

Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on May 4, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Aren't...

many things worse than a thief. Let this guy go to Duke, I’d rather have Bledsoe or noone. We have enough players on this roster to share PG duties, and be effective at it, if we don’t get him.

The Spork, I'm two things in one.

by the spork on May 4, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

According to the report nothing was taken

It was an abandoned house that is listed for sale. There was no evidence of forced entry and nothing was missing from the house. He was definitley in a place he shouldnt have been doing something he shouldnt have been doing but it isnt clear that he stole anything. IMO it’s just a stupid boneheaded move for a kid with as high a profile as he has. He should know better if he plans on being an NBA player this time next year.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on May 4, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just...

read it, maybe there was no theft. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it sure as hell aint a chicken. I’m tired of this guy and his antics, on and off the basketball scene, my opinion stands on him.

The Spork, I'm two things in one.

by the spork on May 4, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cal has a BIG heart for these kids....

i do not disagree with anything you are saying, but you have to understand that Cal works in these circles. He is willing to give guys a second chance. He uses the us against the world, we are family angle as well as anyone. the longer i watch him, the more sincere i believe he is – it is not just an act to get good talent.

being in the spotlight, these kids need to be better behaved, but their world is so different from most of ours. not saying it is right or wrong and i am not excusing it, but one reason Cal is so effective at recruiting is that he is comfortable in their world – just as he is comfortable in the world of the bigtime K-club members.

Cal is not above dismissing a kid from a team but he is also not above letting a kid who has had some trouble in his past get a second chance.

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on May 4, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

MY opinion

has also been stated before. And that’s all I have to say about that. :-)
(for now anyway) lol

Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on May 4, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Details

Details of the report make it appear to be less than it is BUT this makes me not so sure about him. Wall appears to have a very flighty personality and im getting a little tired of it. Not that my opinion matters in the wall recruitment or anything. Bledsoe will be announcing his destination on Weds. I hope it’s UK.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on May 4, 2009 11:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I’m starting to believe he is more trouble than he is worth, for only one year. Get Bledsoe and move on.

Envy our past......Fear our future

by btcoop71 on May 4, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Redshirt?

It seems like this would be the perfect opportunity to redshirt one (or both) of the incoming freshmen QBs. Has this been discussed, and is it likely to happen? I thought I recall Mossakowski being mentioned as a redshirt candidate a few months back, but I wonder if anything will come of it. . .

The King is dead! Long live the King!

by NYCCats on May 4, 2009 12:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Mossakowski...

may get a medical redshirt, if his shoulder doesn’t heal up in time. I hope it does heal because I want him in there, nothing against Newton, I just like pocket passers.

The Spork, I'm two things in one.

by the spork on May 4, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Torn labrum

The most common labrum tear among athletes (SLAP) has a healing/rehab time of only 3-4 months. I can’t imagine him not being at full strength come fall practice considering he hurt his shoulder in late mid to late October (I believe).

But, a redshirt is certainly possible for one of the two frosh QB’s.

by Ken Howlett on May 4, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ken

Sorry this excellent piece of work got hijacked.

What about Will Fidler? He played his best in the Blue-White game and Coach Brooks was very high on him.

I think it will be very interesting with summer practices on the horizon to see how everything develops with the two freshmen. I am excited to see this season’s football team in action.

by kykat51 on May 4, 2009 4:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Fidler has a zero chance of winning the starting job.

Joker’s words speak volumes about Fidler’s chances.

But, he did play fairly well in the spring.

by Ken Howlett on May 4, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

to me brooks' comments were even more telling...

he basically said all of Fidler’s success was due to the fact that Cobb was on Fidler’s team – something like, Cobb could make anyone look good at quarterback…..

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on May 4, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was referring to the quotes I used, but ...

… you’re right.

Fidler is a decent insurance policy if something catastrophic happens. But, I feel if he was going to win the job, he would have done that last year.

by Ken Howlett on May 4, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brooks...

also said that Fidler had closed the gap in the quarterback competition. Fidler is a much better option than Hartline who is a one dimensional QB.

The Spork, I'm two things in one.

by the spork on May 4, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hyperbole, believe me.

The only way Fidler sniffs the field is if there is an injury, or maybe a couple of injuries.

by Ken Howlett on May 4, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If...

that were the case then Brooks and Phillips are idiots. Fidler was the much better QB in the spring game, especially with the long ball. Hartline is the same old QB who had to be bailed out by Cobb everytime. If a freshman comes in and delivers, fine, I’d love that, but I really doubt it will happen.

The Spork, I'm two things in one.

by the spork on May 4, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fidler was 10-24 in the final spring game and missed on 11 straight passes

To write that he was much better in the spring than Hartline, is simply not true.

by Ken Howlett on May 4, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did...

you see that game? Hartline was horrible, he was decent on the short balls, as he was last year, but other than that, nothing. Atleast 4 or 5 of his passes should’ve been picked. Hartline was lucky not to have 5+ picks in the spring game, regardless of the completion to attempt ratio.

The Spork, I'm two things in one.

by the spork on May 4, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not saying Hartline is a great QB, only that Fidler is not better ...

… and will not see any playing time at UK unless there are injuries at the position.

by Ken Howlett on May 4, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hijack

Well, not much anyone can do about it, but I appreciate your concern :)

Football in April/May is not exactly a top priority for most UK fans, but we would be remiss if we didn’t provide a review of the spring for our readers.

I, like you, am excited about this upcoming season.

by Ken Howlett on May 4, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gut Instinct

As has been said:

"Never ignore a gut feeling, but never believe that it’s enough."

I wish I could be more confident that Mike Hartline is the person to lead the Cats to glory but I can’t erase from my mind all those sailing passes and, worse yet, the under throws off the drop offs. Neither can I rid my memory of the tepid, at best, and antagonistic, at worst, reaction of his teammates to his attempts at leadership. Perhaps it was his less than confident posture or his passive body language but for whatever reasons Hartline will startle me if he turns out to be an SEC-type QB. I lecture myself on the fact that his receivers were inexperienced and inept, the running game was non existent and the play calling was uber-conservative but it doesn’t relieve my doubts. Hope I’m wrong and Arkansas and ECU were the real Hartline and that he shows similar improvement from soph to junior as that exhibited by Woodson — but my gut says not.

by Wild Weasel on May 4, 2009 5:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Your "gut" is not alone

Although I don’t feel quite as negative about Hartline’s abilities as you, there is no question that his performance was lacking for most of the year.

But I do believe players can improve, sometimes drastically. It remains to be seen if Hartline is one of those players. If not, UK has a solid “back-up” plan, albeit a young one.

by Ken Howlett on May 4, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Joker's quote

that twice he says nobody’s going to take over the starting job “opening day”.

I’ll be happy enough if Hartline is replaced the second day of practice. I just don’t see him being the answer.

by hoboat33 on May 4, 2009 5:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Ken,

I now know about the Wildcat Package, something I didn’t. Sounds like a great plan to me. I can see how well that would work, after watching last season. To me Hartline needs a little help maybe…….Pretty much have a lot figured out, though I am sure I will learn more…..

I know thing for sure. I absolutely cannot stand the flag for excessive celebration in the end-zone. I mean, get real. If I ran several yards and possibly 99 yards with an oval-shaped ball under my arm and managed to avoid getting the living daylights knocked out of me by several guys with rocks on their heads, weighing 250+, I would celebrate each and every time excessively…..lol…..Oh well what do I know….

Now I have one question. Do I really need to know the difference in all the “backs” and “ends”? Haven’t really tried to tackle that. So far haven’t really seen the need. But if it is important to know, I will try to learn. If so, are there any cliff notes available?.. :-)
    I just saw tackle that, didn’t mean the pun…..lol

Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on May 4, 2009 7:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wildcat Package

I didn’t really go in-depth about the package, but you get the gist of what it involves — A direct snap to Cobb, with him having the option to run or throw. They’ll probably be aligned in a spread look, which means exactly how it sounds. The offensvie lineman will have gaps between them, and the other offensive players will be spread from sideline to sideline.

For complete breakdown of football positions to here.

by Ken Howlett on May 4, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess it is important,

Thanks again. I have it bookmarked so I can re-read it and absorb it better. Go ahead and laugh, but I didn’t know the offensive lineman couldn’t catch the ball, unless…etc,etc. HAHA……What kind of game doesn’t let anyone catch a ball?….Now I know…. :-)

Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on May 4, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for pointing

where to look. The basic offense/defense theories I have learned just by watching. 3 years ago I didn’t know what a first down was. So all jokes toward me personally will be received lightly. May even make for some great laughs. I think I have learned a lot. Like I said before, I actually like the game too.. :-)

Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on May 4, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Glad you are learning the game a2d2

I learned it back when my younger brothers played in LL and High School from my Dad. I have followed the Cats for many years even through the bad and I am very excited about Coach B and team. My brothers actually liked football rather than basketball. I have no idea why unless it was Dad’s love for the game. They all had injuries. Only 1 brother lived through the injuries and played his 4 years in HS because he had a true love for the game.

by kykat51 on May 4, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks kykat,

The Wildcats are the only reason I decided to learn the game. Basketball season wasn’t long enough, so I added football too. None of my brothers played much of any sport so I knew little to start with. So do you think that makes me an extreme fan? I really wouldn’t mind if anyone thought I was … :-)

Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on May 4, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's great you're so open to learning

I coach Pee Wee football and it reminds me of the amazement and confusion of people learning the game.

My first year I coached a 2nd grade team in their first year of football. The coaches are allowed in the huddle and during our first game a kid came breathlessly running into the huddle to replace an injured teammate. The first thing out of his mouth was “Coach, who do I tackle?”. We were on offense. ,-)

Keep up the interest, it’s a great game.

by hoboat33 on May 4, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

That is so cute. Reminds me of the first T-Ball game my son played. He hit the ball and took off running, straight toward second base as fast as he could go. Kids are funny that way. :-)

Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on May 4, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This UK Football season will be VERY interesting

to watch. I’ve watched Arkansas utilize the Wildcat package to some measure of success with McFadden. He could throw but I think the package will be more effective at UK simply because Cobb CAN THROW accurately.

I see Hartline getting the start this season with Cobb taking about 1/3 the snaps at the Wildcat. By mid-October I suspect we’ll see one of the newbies take over starting duties depending on their progression. I don’t have a favorite, I just hope they are both as good as advertised. :)

This will probably be the most scrutinized position this season with the receivers being next. Is that why you put them in this order Ken? ha hah ah ha!!

I want to die while asleep like my grandfather,
not screaming in terror like the passengers in his car.

by bluecrip on May 5, 2009 10:24 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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