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The Big Blue Daily Mail -- News for Kentucky Wildcat fans, Memorial Day 2009 Edition

Memorial Day (Photo by Adam Skoczylas). www.Army.mil

Today is the day we remember those we lost while serving our country in our military.  I think a word or two about that is in order.

One of the songs I like best about our men and women in uniform is American Soldier by Toby Keith.  This is my favorite part:

And I will always do my duty, no matter what the price,
I've counted up the cost, I know the sacrifice,
Oh, and I don't want to die for you,
But if dying's asked of me,
I'll bear that cross with honor,
'Cause freedom don't come free.

Freedom don't come free.  Truer words have never been remembered in song.  Kind of gets you "right there," doesn't it?  Well, it does me, anyway.

I don't want to talk about wars, or the politics of wars, or the morality of conflicts.  Matthew 24:6 and 7 remind us, in the words of Jesus, that, "You will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom."  And it is so.  As regrettable as it is, war is part of our existence, at least so far.

Against this backdrop, we remember our lost men and women.  They placed themselves in harm's way to ensure that our way of life could continue.  None of them wanted to die.  None of them wanted to be heroes.  All of them had lives, mothers, fathers, children, and more.  But their country called on them to defend our autonomy, our cherished values, and they answered that call.  Nobody joins the armed forces believing they will lose their lives, but those who have served know that this is always a possibility.  Death is rarely considered in terms of the individual, but rather collectively terms of assets, and combat outcomes -- terms which often remove the humanity from the act of conflict and render it an exercise in statistics.

Today we throw away the statistics and remember the people they represent -- not the company that was lost, but the men and women thereof.  Not the number of planes shot down, but the pilots who did not return to their loved ones.  Today we stand, shoulder to shoulder, with those who's loved ones were called upon to bear that cross, the cross of the ultimate sacrifice, with honor.

So I propose this toast to our lost defenders:

A toast to our absent sons and daughters who died defending America.  Your lives will never be forgotten.  May God give you the peace of knowing that because of your honorable sacrifice, your families and friends will have the freedom and way of life that you held so dear.

And now, for the news:

 

Star-divide

UK Basketball News

  • An interview with Jodie Meeks that you will certainly want to hear.  I meant to post this yesterday, but somehow, I omitted it.
  • Hilarious Adolph Rupp quotes.  A must-read.  Hat tip:  True Blue Kentucky.
  • This is funny.  Just forget you are a Kentucky fan and laugh.  I just love the name of that blog.
  • Another article about Calipari's recruiting class.  I find myself laughing at these, "It's good for the SEC when Kentucky is strong."  I actually think the SEC coaches, particularly at Florida and Tennessee, are anything but happy about what is happening at UK.
  • Will Barton has spoken highly of UK recently, and he was laying the wood to AAU foes the other day.
  • More recruiting news, featuring Will Barton and Brandon Knight.
  • Still more Barton, and some Harrison Barnes, and still more here, where it seems that Bill Self and John Calipari will be going head-to-head over a number of players.
  • Even more recruiting, this time from the Bob Gibbons tournament.
  • Danny Jett wants to bring back the UKIT.  I don't have a problem with that, it would recall the days when UK was truly a feared national power, something we haven't been for the last four years.
  • Straitpinkie looks at the busy Memorial Day weekend as far as sports news is concerned.
  • Matt's blog (not Matt Jones) looks at five great things about UK basketball.
  • John Wilner says that Kansas is the team to beat, and takes a few gratuitous shots at UK in obvious jest.  We'll see less and less of this if Calipari delivers on the promise implicit in what he has done so far.

UK Football News

  • Team Speed Kills takes up the Jarmon question, and quotes A Sea of Blue.
  • UK's offensive line is the most experienced in the SEC.  I hope that translates into, "one of the best."

Other UK Sports News

NCAA Sports News

  • Many former all-SEC players have had some difficulty making it in the Association.  Thanks to an astute reader for emailing me this article.
  • Miami blue.
  • Mike Slive does not support a football playoff "for a number of reasons."
  • Jim Beilein is head of the new NCAA ethics committee.  I can hardly wait for the pronouncements to begin.
  • John Clay's SEC links for today.
  • Latavious Williams is ready to announce his college choice.  This is another really good player who is still available, and those who lamented John Wall's slow decision would pull out all their hair with Williams.
  • Evaluating the mechanics of Big Ten quarterbacks.  Interesting stuff.
  • LSU wins the SEC baseball tournament.
  • A look at some coaching succession plans.

Other News of Interest

  • A class action suit where college football players are collectively suing EA sports for compensation for using their digital semi-likenesses on games.  I have no comment on this.
  • The state of basketball in North Carolina is pronounced as, "Good," by the Charlotte Observer.  Glad to hear it.  I suppose Carolina won't mind if we raid their state again like we did with John Wall.  Oh, schadenfreude, thou art a sweet thing ... 

 

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Thank you

Thank you Tru for a wise and well written reminder of what this day is about.

by CAWebb on May 25, 2009 5:04 PM EDT reply actions  

OMG!

Ok, so the “Death Wore a Feathered Mullet” blog article (and yeah, I love the blog name, too — mullets are the worst!!!) was quite truthfully one of the funniest things I have read in some time. OMG. I literally can’t stop laughing.

“University of Kentucky fans have to be the t-shirt-wearingest mother!!!!ers on the planet.” I found that so funny, and SO true!

by BigSkyCat on May 25, 2009 5:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh goodness!

I just realized that I didn’t mention anything about Tru’s lovely Memorial Day piece in my above post and I certainly don’t want to seem cold and heartless – I’m really not. : )

Like I noted in Vince’s fanpost, I don’t have a personal connection to anyone currently serving or anyone serving in the past, actually — but I do appreciate the freedom I have because of the sacrifices made by those who choose to serve. A very large "thanks" to them all on this day of remembering.

by BigSkyCat on May 25, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

What's a proper Memorial Day greeting?

“Happy Memorial Day” just doesn’t seem right, given the nature of the day.

In any case, a big “Thank you” to all servicemen and women who have given their lives for this great country.

On the sports front Andy Kennedy’s likening of UK to the SEC with UNC-ACC and UCLA-Pac 10 is spot on. When UK is going well other SEC teams seem better by proxy, in much the same way ACC and Pac 10 teams benefit when UNC and UCLA are playing well.

I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra

by JLeverenz on May 25, 2009 5:16 PM EDT reply actions  

You are right on

I have never felt right saying “Happy Memorial Day” to anyone. It is a National Holiday and rightfully so to honor all the men and women who have have served in our Nation I respect our military very highly being a wife of a retired KYNG member and having 2 sons who served in the Marines and the Navy.

I just pray incessantly that our military can return home safely.

by kykat51 on May 25, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Heard On Talk Radio Last Night Than 1 Million Americans Have Died In Military Service

Here www.bobbywarns.com is one whom I knew.

The 1 million number was spoken by Bill Cunningham on WLW radio last night.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 25, 2009 5:32 PM EDT reply actions  

I saw that on vince's post

Saw the video also of the funeral. And yes I cried, even though I did not know him personally. I am admitedly a very emotional person whether I am happy or sad. Dang, I just cry easily. If needed I can be a very tough person, but not today.

by kykat51 on May 25, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tru, I readthe Rupp Quotes

( I saw it on True Blue too), and I still cannot quit laughing…..I can just see him telling Happy Chandler to shut up……funniest thing I have read in a very long time.

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on May 25, 2009 6:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Great post Tru.....

I never forget the cost of our freedom. I am thankful every day for those who gave their all. It does get me “right there”. Thank You, too.

On a lighter note, thanks for linking the Coach Rupp piece. Definitely, one of a kind. I was laughing a lot at some of his word isms. But I guess my favorite was not what he said, but how he apologized to the little old lady for bumping into her. And SHE let him have it…LOL….If it wasn’t so long, I would use it for my signature here…
:-)

Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on May 25, 2009 6:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Memorial Day

God Bless,
A veteran-whether active duty, retired, national guard or reserve-is someone who, at one point in their life, signed a blank check made payable to “The United States of America”, for an amount of “up to and including my life.” That is Honor, and there are way too many people in this country who no longer understand it. ~Author Unknown

And since I am a MWD Handler,

Trust in me my friend for I am
your comrade. I will protect you
with my last breath When all
others have left you And the
loneliness of the night closes
in, I will be at your side.

Together we will conquer all
obstacles, And search out
those who might wish harm to
others. All I ask of you is
compassion, The caring touch
of your hands. It is for you that I
will unselfishly give my life And
spend my nights unrested.
Although our days together
May be marked by the passing
of the seasons Know that each
day at your side is my reward.

My days are measured by The
coming and going of your
footsteps. I anticipate them at
every opening of the door. You
are the voice of caring when I
am ill. The voice of authority
when I’ve done wrong.

Do not chastise me unduly For
I am your right arm, The sword
at your side. I attempt to do
only what you bid of me. I seek
only to please you and remain
in your favor.

Together you and I shall
experience A bond only others
like us will understand When
outsiders see us together Their
envy will be measured by their
disdain.

I will quietly listen to you And
pass no judgment, Nor will your
spoken words be repeated I will
remain ever silent, Ever vigilant,
ever loyal. And when our time
together is done And you move
on in the world Remember me
with kind thoughts and tales,
For a time we were unbeatable,
Nothing passed among us
undetected.

If we should meet again on
another street I will gladly take
up your fight, I am a Military
Working Dog and together We
are guardians of the night.

by shepslaw on May 25, 2009 6:53 PM EDT reply actions  

cheers shepslaw

my father in law was a MWD for the Air Force some years ago so I really enjoyed reading that passage. he has told me many a story about his experiences as one, so i could relate to it in some small measure.

SIDE NOTE: when i worked at bowling alley snack bar at Lakenheath overnight shift we used to feed the MWD’s, (well, pretty much any LE or MP which came in handy when the club crowd showed up FRI n SAT nite!) if they were able to make it in. walking that perimeter can be tough, especially in foul weather. choir i know. but the dudes with the dogs we felt bad for because they didn’t get to man a gate or some other structure, they usually walked around and around and around!!! even as a “lazy” 18 yr old kid i could recognize the dedication it took to be a dog handler.

Good luck!

I want to die while asleep like my grandfather,
not screaming in terror like the passengers in his car.

by bluecrip on May 25, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Memorial Day

I was at UK during the Vietnam War, and thus wasn’t called to duty. My father served in the Pacific Theater in the Second WW in the Marines. He’s in Europe right now, and today was at Normandy, Omaha Beach, to pay honor to his fallen countryman who payed the highest sacrifice for their country. He’s 83, had never flown in his life before last Thursday. This will be the first time he wasn’t home to partake in VFW services. I can’t wait to here his reaction to this experience. I’m proud of his service to our country.

by UK1972 on May 25, 2009 7:34 PM EDT reply actions  

give em a hug for us

when you see him again. :) then give em another one for his friends what the hell!!!

Carlin “GIVE MY LOVE TO CLOUSE!” would accuse me of trying to burden you with extra luggage but i mean it well.

I want to die while asleep like my grandfather,
not screaming in terror like the passengers in his car.

by bluecrip on May 25, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Recruiting Weekend Wrap

A look at UK targets et al from first AAU weekend.

"The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground." --Thomas Jefferson

by Wild Weasel on May 25, 2009 9:32 PM EDT reply actions  

THANK U AMERICA

i think we should all give thanks to the men and women who have fought so hard for us in past and present wars, its people like them who allow us to get online and share our opinions so thanks to any vets who might read this and god bless u.,,,now on to some uk business, jodie needs to hurry up and make a choice nba or uk the quicker he makes a chocie the quicker they can start ironing out this roster mess we got…GO BIG BLUE

by Coach cal on May 25, 2009 10:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Very well done

Tru, my grandfather fought three tours in Vietnam and was a battalion leader and saw many of his men die. He lives with those memories all of his days. I have watched him through the years and when I heard Toby’s song for the first time it just made me tear up because that is what he says. Toby’s dad was a soldier and he knew it too. When you are a soldier there are no politics. Your country calls and you are there. You don’t have the luxury of judging at home whether the war is just or not. You just do what your country calls you to do and I love that song because of what it says. I like Trace Adkins song too..Say a prayer for peace. I know Trace and and he is very politically minded but sings this song to say that we should all pray for our boys to come home and its not about politics its about peace.

Kentucky bretheren united once again! Thanks Cal!

by tenken on May 25, 2009 11:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Indeed.

The biggest thing, I think, is that we remember our fallen, and not let their sacrifices be forgotten.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on May 26, 2009 7:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

A picture ...

… of my ship back when it was commissioned. I am in the front row, second enlisted man from the right beside the officers.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on May 26, 2009 7:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Tru, where is it?

Is this like the erroneous “tweet” of Coach Cal’s , and not meant to be here?
Maybe is WAS here for a while. That may be the case. If so , never mind. I guess I missed it….

Although some say Coach meant to post that on twitter. :-)

Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on May 26, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Where is what?

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on May 26, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

A picture

Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on May 26, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks,

but I see nothing…..lol
Maybe I need to start this day over..lol

Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on May 26, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I did that

turned off ad block
I don’t know???? Thanks though!!!!

Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on May 26, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can everybody else see the picture?

I have done everything……Even a complete shut down……….I can see new pics in fanshots fine…

Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on May 26, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just so you know...

…you aren’t going completely crazy, I can’t see a picture, either. : )

by BigSkyCat on May 26, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Red X

I suspect the picture is a type of file that is not typical?

by FortyYearCatFan on May 26, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't see it either

Envy our past......Fear our future

by btcoop71 on May 26, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Picture

I cant see it either.

It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.

by kentuckygirl0724 on May 26, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not seeing anything either

No picture, no red x placeholder, nothing.

Tru, is it available online elsewhere?

I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra

by JLeverenz on May 26, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Believe The Name Of The Ship MAY Be "The Philadelphia"

And it was involved in a WWII experiment to make a ship appear invisible.

I think it worked!

by FortyYearCatFan on May 26, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL Forty :-)

Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on May 26, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny yet obscure reference

Well done 40.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on May 26, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can see it.

It is the USS Olympia SSN-717, but I cannot make out Tru in the pic. It is a submarine. He lived underwater for a while…glad he got his land legs back :-)

by kykat51 on May 26, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes, after

a few others couldn’t either…lol…It wasn’t there. :-)

Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on May 26, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

It was here for me before Tru put up the other link. I was just late in responding and did not see Tru’s other link until I had.

I have to admit sometimes I cannot see the pics here on the main blog, but I did this time.

by kykat51 on May 26, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK ...

… I guess it is some bug or another in the blog software.

But not to worry. Those of you who want to see the picture may find it here. :-)

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on May 26, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

That doesn't look like you! ;-)

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on May 26, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heh.

I’d say it certainly doesn’t. That was … umm … (pulling off socks to use toes) … 25 years ago this November 17th.

I have added just a few pounds since then, and lost a lot of hair. I’ll never forget the party afterward. Good times.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on May 26, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

God bless you on this Memorial day.

That’s what I say. Or shortened down to God bless memorial day. I’m afraid I bear witness with you kykat, I’m a little on the emotional side. Especially when it comes to things like Memorial day. John showed a couple of videos Sunday, and I shed more then a few tears. I cry sometimes during commercials! My manhood never comes into question. Of course being 6’3", and a sculpted 250+ never hurts! Well, maybe the sculpted part isn’t quite true. Having a big brother that goes 6’4", 300+ to take up for me helped get me out of more then a few tight spots! He can be scary! He’s about 10x stronger then he looks. Later guys.

Food for thought: The virgin birth has much more to do with the absense of a natural earthly father then the use of a virgin mother. Now, chew.....

by blubloodcatfan on May 26, 2009 10:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks coop,

Counting Jodie there are 17, right? Subtract 3 and down to +1. Do we think this means -Jodie? I sure hope not, but I would have to understand. He may have a better chance this year.

Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on May 26, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

13 + Meeks

If Meeks returns, 1 more will go.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 26, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm starting to think Meeks is gone too

I hope I’m wrong.

Envy our past......Fear our future

by btcoop71 on May 26, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

shhhh.....no jinxing things.....lol

actually after reading everything from ESPN insider….all of the NBA stuff I could find….and all of the draft boards, I don’t think Jodie will decide until he hears yes or no from every NBA team….there are supposedly 6 with him on their radar…..

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on May 26, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

There was a rumor going around..

..that the Pistons were looking hard at taking him in the first round.

Envy our past......Fear our future

by btcoop71 on May 26, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pistons

Im not sure if they are looking hard but apparently they are looking.

The only reason I can think the Pistons are interested in him is his three point shooting. The Pistons were sorely in need of better three point shooters last season finsihing close to the bottom on most statistical catergories in the NBA last season. I think them picking him 15th though is a real longshot.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on May 26, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Do you think he

may be already chosen or that they may choose someone else as their #15 pick?

Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on May 26, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jodie won't go higher than 15

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on May 26, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jodie should be on their radar,

He has pure determination. I think I posted a link on Rondo, wayyyy back, how he was overlooked on the NBA radar. They should really start looking at real talent coming from KY if they want deep-down determination in the NBA. It is a business though, and not many businesses are looking for that.

Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on May 26, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am getting lost....lol

JT says Carter could be eligible because of a medical red-shirt. He was recognized as our only senior on senior day, right?
Don’t you all know that confusing me is not nice? Why does he do that to me? LOL
:-)

Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on May 26, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

KSR also says, via the Cut Man

That Landon Sloan is definately not coming back either.

Envy our past......Fear our future

by btcoop71 on May 26, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

He confuses himself

Envy our past......Fear our future

by btcoop71 on May 26, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL .. I guess I'm OK.. I think?

Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on May 26, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, Carter could likely qualify for a medical redshirt

Gillispie wasn’t going to apply for it and you can sure as hell bank on Cal not applying for it.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on May 26, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Liggins?

I read Williams, Carter, and Stewart but didnt see any mention of Liggins at this link. (Disclaimer: My missing it does not in anyway mean tthat it is not there.)

It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.

by kentuckygirl0724 on May 26, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Coop,

do you suppose this was a marketing idea? The lady said she had to buy one, when she saw the spelling. :-)

Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on May 26, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

If that was the only time, maybe

But when they had some of their players wearing “Natinals” uniforms earlier this year……I think they are just sloppy

Envy our past......Fear our future

by btcoop71 on May 26, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol..I missed that point

Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on May 26, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

That and they signed Adam Dunn

The Dunn debates when he was with the Reds rivialed the Tubby/Billy G debates for UK fans.

Envy our past......Fear our future

by btcoop71 on May 26, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

278 HR At Age 28

Statistics
Year Age Team Lg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS TB SH SF IBB HBP GDP
2001 21 Cincinnati NL 66 244 54 64 18 1 19 43 4 2 38 74 .262 .371 .578 .949 141 0 0 2 4 4
2002 22 Cincinnati NL 158 535 84 133 28 2 26 71 19 9 128 170 .249 .400 .454 .854 243 1 3 13 9 8
2003 23 Cincinnati NL 116 381 70 82 12 1 27 57 8 2 74 126 .215 .354 .465 .819 177 0 4 8 10 4
2004 24 Cincinnati NL 161 568 105 151 34 0 46 102 6 1 108 195 .266 .388 .569 .957 323 0 0 11 5 8
2005 25 Cincinnati NL 160 543 107 134 35 2 40 101 4 2 114 168 .247 .387 .540 .927 293 0 2 14 12 6
2006 26 Cincinnati NL 160 561 99 131 24 0 40 92 7 0 112 194 .234 .365 .490 .855 275 1 3 12 6 8
2007 27 Cincinnati NL 152 522 101 138 27 2 40 106 9 2 101 165 .264 .386 .554 .940 289 0 4 8 5 12
2008 28 CIN/ARI NL 158 517 79 122 23 0 40 100 2 1 122 164 .236 .386 .513 .899 265 0 5 13 7 7
Totals: 1,131 3,871 699 955 201 8 278 672 59 19 797 1,256 .247 .381 .518 .899 2,006 2 21 81 58 57

by FortyYearCatFan on May 26, 2009 11:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Typical Of Many Sluggers

Lots of HR, lots of K’s.

5 straight seasons with 40+ HR.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 26, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is nice, but

 he barely cracked 100 RBIs even when hitting 40 HR. Someone typically hits 40 HRs, they drive in 130+.

I think his “I don’t give a s**t” attitude is what turned me off of him, and many others.

Envy our past......Fear our future

by btcoop71 on May 26, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Averaged 100 RBI Last 5 Years

The list of players who averaged 40 HR and 100 RBI the past 5 seasons is a very short list.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 26, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

RBI are heavily influenced by the team around him

He can’t drive in players who aren’t on base in front of him. Adam Dunn is a terrific hitter. The strikeouts aren’t as big a deal as most broadcasters/media/analysts like to try and make them.

I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra

by JLeverenz on May 26, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

They are a big deal with RISP

The guy went almost 2 full years without a sac fly…….amazing.

To me, Dunn reporesents wasted potential. He could be an MVP caliber player if he tried.

Envy our past......Fear our future

by btcoop71 on May 26, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll take a homerun over a sac fly any day

That’s the kind of guy Dunn is – a 3 true outcome player. He’s always been that way and I think the inability of a lot of people to accept that (Marty Brennaman most notably) says a lot more about them than it does about Dunn.

Just a couple of stats from Dunn’s Career courtesy of baseballreference.com:

It’s true that Dunn has been worse than average in the situation with a runner on 3rd, <2 outs. For his career the runner scores 40% of the time and the MLB average is 52%. However, this hasn’t affected his overall performance with runners on base. In those situations 14% of the runners have scored with the MLB average at 15%.

Now some might suggest that if Dunn were to change his approach with a runner on 3rd and <2 out he could improve both results overall and that is a fair point. But his hitting approach in one specific situation hasn’t adversely affected his overall results with men on base and there is no guarantee it would improve his overall numbers.

I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra

by JLeverenz on May 26, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying a HR is worse than a sac fly

But at the same time, if he could make more contact sac flys would happen on their own. Same thing with hits, and errors by the other team.

I guess I’m old fashioned when it comes to baseball. I’d rather a guy put it in play than to watch strike 3. You put the ball in play, and you never know what will happen (errors, misplays, sac flies, etc).

Envy our past......Fear our future

by btcoop71 on May 26, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

And his defense

Far below average, which leads to more runs for the other team.

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by btcoop71 on May 26, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here is a link

Showing his ultimate zone ratings over the years

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=319&position=OF#fielding

20 runs below average.

Ok, I’m done bashing Dunn.

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by btcoop71 on May 26, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

The fact that someone else on ASoB knows about UZR and fangraphs has made this discussion worthwhile ;-)

He’s not good defensively, but then neither are a lot of players out there. At least he more than makes up for it with the bat.

I’m a bit partial to Dunn because he is a very similar player to Jack Cust who plays for my beloved A’s. There are number of A’s fans who don’t appreciate what Cust does because they can’t see past the strikeouts, and I’ve found many Dunn detractors are the same way.

I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra

by JLeverenz on May 26, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd take Jack Cust over Dunn

I’ll take Jay Bruce over both, even though he is slumping bad now.

UZR is the best defensive stat to date, IMO.

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by btcoop71 on May 26, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really though, what drove people nuts about Dunn:

1. Not putting the ball in play with RISP (i.e. strikeouts). He cost himself tons of RBIs, and his team tons of runs. He either struck out, hit a HR, or walked.
2. Defense….he just stopped caring about defense after he became established
3. He got lazy in Cincinnati. He was an all or nothing swinger, and the rest of his game suffered.

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by btcoop71 on May 26, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

the ownership

situation in Cincy doesnt help…..they are NOT going to pay anyone…and like it or not the guys today are playing for the $$$….when you know that you are only going to get so much $$$….not saying it’s right, just that the owner developed an attitude about he and Griffey, that they would be overpaid liabilities….and that was that….his numbers will improve with another team….then again….it is the Nationals….lol

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by ALLBLUCAT on May 26, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carl Linder was an idiot when it came to running the Reds

Castellini has been a lot better. His problem is switching GMs every 5 days.

Granted, Dan O’Brien was a clown, and Wayne Krivsky got his ass handed to him by Jim “Leatherpants” Bowden. I hope Walt Jockety stays for years to come.

Griffey was my favorite. Some of the things fans said about him are shameful.

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by btcoop71 on May 26, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

RE: Many former all-SEC players have had some difficulty making it in the Association

Reading this article, I couldn’t help but be amazed again by the run of Chuck Hayes with the Rockets. I don’t know of any BigBlue fan that didn’t love his grit, determination, and pride for the name on the front of his jersey while he was in Lexington. But, I don’t think many of of us truly expected him to make an NBA roster despite hoping he would do so.

This article points out how truly amazing it is that he not only made the roster but has stuck and contributed big time minutes. The fact that he is not a “high flyer” causes many to think that he is not blessed with an abundance of athletic ability. Personally, I don’t think anyone plays at the NBA or top tier NCAA level without an extraordinary athletic and basketball gift. But, it makes me so very proud that he wore the blue and white whenever this 7 footer in a 6 foot nothing body takes the floor and successfully anchors the middle of the floor.

by SirTanksAlot on May 26, 2009 1:47 PM EDT reply actions  

No Surprise Here

The only thing that kept him from getting drafted was that unfortunate Wildcat Lodge allegation after Sr year.

38th (all-time) in Pts with 1211.

But 7th in Rebs – only (recent) player in Top 10.

17th in Assists, 8th in Steals – better than many GUARDS.

And 10th in Blocks – not bad for 6-6 post player.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 26, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man it must be a slow day!

If baseball is all you can find to discuss!!

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by oldcat73 on May 26, 2009 2:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Tru has news up oldcat70

Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on May 26, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

LETS GO WILDCATS

IM SO EXCITED AND I CAN NOT HIDE IT ,I KNOW, I KNOW, I KNOW,I KNOW, I KNOW I WANT YOU, I WANT YOU… dedicated to Jodie Meeks,,,lol

by Coach cal on May 26, 2009 8:57 PM EDT reply actions  

oh and about dunn and the reds

i think votto and bruce and a few other new faces have done very well replacing dunn and griff

by Coach cal on May 26, 2009 8:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Pitching Is The Difference For The 2009 Reds

Votto and Bruce have not “replaced” Dunn and a healthy Griffey.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 26, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dunn didn't need replacing

You said it all, pitching is the difference.

And defense.

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by btcoop71 on May 27, 2009 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

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