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The Big Blue Daily Mail -- News for Kentucky Wildcat fans, May 23rd 2009

The Dagger posts about a kerfuffle over Pat Forde's comments on Outside the Lines, about which Matt Jones at KSR had some comments yesterday.  Frankly, I have just a few quibbles with Forde, the most important one being the suggestion that Kentucky is "desperate," and that's why Barnhart "overlooked" what Forde referred to as "black marks" on Calipari's record.  I have examined the complaints against Calipari in detail, and although I can't pronounce them meritless, I can pronounce them minor, certainly not significant enough to rise to the level of what Forde describes as a "black mark."

But with all that said, Forde's question is legitimate -- Why now and not then?  Clearly, part of it was the pressure Barnhart was feeling over the fact that his choice of Gillispie two years ago did not pan out.  Another part was the undeniable success Calipari was having at Memphis, and the realization that if he could do that at a school like Memphis, what he could do at UK would be beyond special -- and so far, he has been right about that in spades.  Yet another part may have been that Barnhart simply accepted the stories about Calipari at face value, without bothering to dig into them in detail, and when he did he found that there was far less "there" there than he had been led to believe.

I think Forde referring to UK as "desperate" is really unfortunate (although some fans may actually be desperate), but I doubt that Barnhart felt that way and I know I didn't.  That unfortunate choice of words tends to paint UK fans as total "ends justify the means" fanatics, and I reject that out of hand.  Yes, we have our share of fans that care only about victories and damn the process by which those victories come, as long as we don't get caught.  But the vast majority of UK fans really do care, deeply, about the process and would not be interested in hiring somebody like a Kelvin Samson to return UK to the top of college basketball.  John Calipari is clearly not in the same universe as Samson either before or since his sanction by the NCAA when it comes to shadiness in my opinion, no matter what spin Forde and others would put on it.

So what we really have here, in my judgment, is a sportswriter from this area trying to avoid looking like a homer, and it's hard to blame him in the end.  Accentuating the negative and using it to question the motives of UK is the "safe" tack for Forde to take.  Nobody has forgotten that he used to write for the Courier-Journal, and a glowing paean to Calipari's hiring would have generated a ton of commentary decrying the homerism of Forde.  I won't even address his collaberation with Rick Pitino, since I find that neither unusual nor disturbing.

As far as Calipar's Twitter reaction is concerned, I really don't get it.  Calipari has heard all this stuff before, over and over, from -- well, just about everybody.  I am sure Coach Cal thought he could get some good marketing value out of his response, and I really think he did.  But in the big scheme of things, is Calipari really trying to alienate a senior ESPN writer?  I hope not -- part of Coach Cal's success is the terrific relationship he has with the national sports media.  But fair is fair, and if Forde feels the need to take shots at Calipari's record, he can hardly complain when Calipari gives him a sharp Tweet back.  What I would not like to see is a hostile Forde and Calipari going at each other.  I expect both have thicker skins than that, but you never really know.

And now, for the rest of the news (Note:  I will have more to say about the Jeremy Jarmon thing later in a separate post).

Star-divide

UK Basketball News

  • Hoopsworld doesn't think Jodie Meeks will go in the first round mock drafts.  I think this comment is right on:  "However, scouts are worried about him being one dimensional and right now he's not a higher ranked prospect than Marcus Thornton or Wayne Ellington. In Calipari's dribble-drive offense Meeks will be able to expand his game and play a substantial role on a title contending team."
  • This terrific article by Andy Katz describes the process and timing of how John Calipari intends to clarify the roster situation.  Katz also talks about Calipari getting some former UK players like Mohammed, Prince and Rodo (among others to scrimmage with the players this summer.
  • Jerry Meyer of Rivals addresses the UK scholarship situation.  I think he is exactly right.
  • Jerry Tipton speculates on possible scholarship moves.

UK Football News

  • Kentucky's SEC schedule is daunting, but the OOC schedule isn't.

Other UK Sports News

  • UK senior tennis player Bruno Agostinelli advances to the NCAA singles quarter-finals.

NCAA Sports News

  • Who's had the worst off season?  I have a feeling that UK might not have too many fans in western Tennessee these days.
  • This is the other side of the coin -- who has had the best off season?  Guess who rates #1?
  • UponFurtherReview has a look at the race to 2000 wins -- from a KU perspective.  Belive it or not, Kansas is only 18 wins behind UK.
  • Mike DeCourcy explains that nowadays, there are a number of great players available recruiting-wise after the season.

Other News of Interest

 

 

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Decourcy Forgot These?

Antoine Walker and Derek Anderson available in Spring 1994.

Ron Mercer and Wayne Turner available in Spring 1995.

Jamaal Magloire in Spring 1996 and Michael Bradley in Spring 1997.

There have always been some of the best recruits available in the spring.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 23, 2009 1:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

About Coach’s tweet response to Forde’s OTL segment…..

The first thing I thought of when I read Coach’s response on Twitter was pretty much what you say: "I am sure Coach Cal thought he could get some good marketing value out of his response, and I really think he did".

I totally agree with that. It’s his salesmen mentality coming through, only this time instead of selling the program or selling to recruits, I thought it seemed like he was attempting to sell to the fan base the whole "it’s us against the world" mantra. And the funny thing is, according to some comments from some UK fans that I happened to read, it worked like a charm. : )

by BigSkyCat on May 23, 2009 1:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Big Sky Cat

What happened to your avatar? You lost your legs!

Happy Days are here again The sky is all ways BLUE again Happy days are here again !

by oldcat70 on May 23, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha

You noticed! I’ll let BSC answer as to why she changed her avatar. She could only give it justice.

by kykat51 on May 23, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, oldcat70!

Well, the good news is that I definitely still have my legs. Just time for a change, I guess. I rather like change. : )

by BigSkyCat on May 24, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me Too!

Happy Days are here again The sky is all ways BLUE again Happy days are here again !

by oldcat70 on May 24, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Desperate" Fits

I’m in accordance with your interpretation of Pat Forde’s motives with the addendum that he is merely doing what columnists do: being controversial. As for the relevant Calipari tweet, considering that his followers are nearly unanimous in their zealotry for things Blue it was his customary stroke of genius.

Not certain in what, if any, category it assigns me but I agree with Forde’s use of the word desparate. Despair is one — the fourth — of the stages of emotional response to loss. First is denial and after 3 consecutive 10-loss seasons fans I was concerned but in denial. Second is bargaining and after the anomalous 32-win season I bargained away my concern as an overreaction. Third is anger and when the inexorable drift toward mediocrity resumed I was incensed to the point of action to foment change. Alas the change that followed was a calamitous misstep and induced the fourth stage: despair. Fortuitously the program never reached the fifth stage: acceptance with its synchronous resignation. Paraphrasing Baudrillard:

"The abjection of our basketball (political) situation is the only true challenge today. Only facing up to this situation in all its desperation can help us get out of it."

"The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground." --Thomas Jefferson

by Wild Weasel on May 23, 2009 4:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Consider the source

I have long been a fan of Forde, but he is just a writer looking for a story, nothing more then that. Probably had a deadline to meet. They could dig up as much dirt on ANYONE in the coaching profession if they wanted to. W Weasel, I liked your post! Pretty good stuff. Glad that was you spelling those words! The thing I find myself pondering today is next years recruiting class! Could it exceed this one? We are fickle fans indeed, I am ashamed to admit.

Food for thought: The virgin birth has much more to do with the absense of a natural earthly father then the use of a virgin mother. Now, chew.....

by blubloodcatfan on May 23, 2009 5:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jerry Tipton wrong...again

Per Jerry’s article regarding Saturday morning’s press conference…“But the timing of the press conference suggests something UK wants to quietly dispose of.” Nope not scholarship moves the AD wants to quietly dispose of…wrong again.

by cpacat on May 23, 2009 6:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

...and these are the classic UK players that the fanbase has been rightly proud of in the past????
Sources closely involved with DeMarcus Cousins and Eric Bledsoe say that both prospects have the class work and standardized test score to make it through the Clearinghouse. John Wall, however, is still waiting for his test score, and there are also questions concerning his core curriculum.

…and then you throw in Liggins and possibly Galloway. Wow.

Interestingly, this didn’t seem to be an issue just a few years ago.

Just asking…..

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on May 23, 2009 8:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So, Hoze.....been saving up on the hate??

Embrace The Hate…..you will feel better

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on May 23, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hoze.....you need to do what Nick Calathes did

dont go away mad……just go away!!!….

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on May 23, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's back!

Hoze everyone has been wondering if you would ever show your face again.

Happy Days are here again The sky is all ways BLUE again Happy days are here again !

by oldcat70 on May 23, 2009 8:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh yes

Our beloved Hoze is back :-).He was over on the John Wall Goes to Court Fanpost earlier.

by kykat51 on May 23, 2009 9:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Chris Low On Jarmon

A sympathetic and accurate — not always the same — comment on Jeremy Jarmon.

"The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground." --Thomas Jefferson

by Wild Weasel on May 23, 2009 10:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Barnhart

has shown that he is 100% capable of knowing someone’s persona and habits and then later coming off as shocked and appauled when that person behaves as such.

I do not think that Coach Cal is “dirty” at all, however, innuendo exists there whether true, false, founded, or unfounded. Barnhart best not go getting all “shocked” again when people talk – cause people will talk.

Finally, regarding Cal’s tweet – I am just not buying that whole “he did it for market value” business. I do not think there was anything wrong with the tweet and probably would have sent something similar myself, having said that, Cal is not “Mr.Nice Guy.” Cal is a business man and can appear pretty shrewd at times. I think that this tweet was just Cal being Cal. Hey – I am crazy excited about our new coach, but I just hope people arent getting some romantic picture in their minds regarding Cal barefoot in a park somewhere singing “Kumbaya” with all his players.

It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.

by kentuckygirl0724 on May 23, 2009 10:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Are you serious...???
but I just hope people arent getting some romantic picture in their minds regarding Cal barefoot in a park somewhere singing "Kumbaya" with all his players.

And how would that be different from your “love affair” with Billy G….?

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on May 23, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Calipari Wins BIG

UK fans will like that, just fine.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 23, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"real" UK fans will Forty...

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on May 23, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

I like it just fine. :)

It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.

by kentuckygirl0724 on May 23, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm just saying

that Cal is not all “Mr. Nice Guy” all the time – and I dont think there is anything wrong with that.

That really had nothing to do with “my love affair with Billy G.”

It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.

by kentuckygirl0724 on May 23, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No UK Coach Is/Was "Mr Nice Guy" All The Time

Rupp, Hall, Pitino, Tubby, Sutton. Each had their “not so nice” moments. So will Calipari.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 23, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is exactly what I was trying to say

…obviously not very well.

Calipari has a “not-so-nice” side like anybody else. He is a human being and he got pissed by Forde’s comments – that – IMO is why he sent the tweet.

That’s all I was trying to say.

It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.

by kentuckygirl0724 on May 23, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

remember way back when....

…he and John Chaney almost went to fist-a-cuffs… lol That was some funny sh!t right there…

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on May 23, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL!

Exactly!

Thats what I mean! I am suprised if people were suprised that Cal sent that tweet about Ford(e). I just dont see Cal keeping quiet when he feels like someone’s getting “personal” on him. lol.

It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.

by kentuckygirl0724 on May 23, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huh?

Ok, so I’m totally confused by this. You don’t buy that Coach Calipari’s tweet responding to Pat Forde was for market value, but then you admit he is a businessman? Yeah, I think you’re right, he is a businessman, and that’s exactly why the tweet was intended to stir up the BBN.

Coach Calipari’s tweet being done for market value isn’t exactly him showing the world that he is surrounded by white lights and wears a halo. In fact, I think that just the opposite is true. If he was "Mr. Nice Guy", wouldn’t he have said something to the tune of "hey fans, don’t hate on Forde, he’s just doin’ what he does", instead of trying to arouse anger among members of the BBN by selling them on the idea that Forde was after him personally?

by BigSkyCat on May 23, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gosh

I’m just saying I dont think Cal outright thought, “Hey – I’m going to send this out because this will really grab media attention.” I think he was pissed by the comments Forde made and sent the tweet.

I dont really know why this is coming off as me being all down on the guy. It’s just my opinion of why I thought he sent the tweet.

Good grief.

It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.

by kentuckygirl0724 on May 23, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh,

I don’t think your original post came off as you “being down” on Coach. It just seemed to be quite contradictory to me, that’s all.

Your opinion is great and I respect it, don’t get frustrated.

Have a great night! ; )

by BigSkyCat on May 23, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

Just frustrated that I did such a poor job attempting to get my opinion across. :)

It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.

by kentuckygirl0724 on May 23, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Daggone that Tinkerbell

She’s on a personal crusade to bring Calipari down! Watch, next she’ll be taking recruits to dinner and saying Cal made her do it!!!!!

;-)

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on May 24, 2009 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ole Miss Runs Afoul NCAA

Another example of why NCAA recruiting handbook runs to hundreds of pages: Coaches’ Internet comments to Rivals appears in violation.

"The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground." --Thomas Jefferson

by Wild Weasel on May 23, 2009 10:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rich Brooks...?

Anyone know when Brooks will be back in town…?

It will be interesting to see what he has to say about the JJ presser…

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on May 23, 2009 10:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Check this out

I found this great video of Coach cal in the locker room after a game… This guy is funny…

Jokingly calls one of his player a “mama’s boy”… lol

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on May 23, 2009 11:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Funny. Cal appears to have a great sense of humor. I bet he is a blast to be around!

It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.

by kentuckygirl0724 on May 23, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

from KRS...

Billy will NOT leave town…. LOL

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on May 23, 2009 11:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yep

Leave it to Matt Jones to throw some more “dirt” out there on Gillispie.

Good guy.

It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.

by kentuckygirl0724 on May 23, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am not a Billy hater. Just after BCG got canned, I got into a heated exchange here at ASOB

defending Billy. However, if you read the KSR post. Billy got into a clash with some students taking his
picture at a campus watering hole. Billy has the same rights as everyone else to frequent any bar he chooses, but unlike others he was the head Coach for UK basketball.

Can you imagine the stir that any of the other head UK basketball Coaches would cause showing up around campus, especially with all the picture/cell phone possibilities. If Billy puts himself out there
around campus, it is/was a matter of time before he started getting crud for folks; especially with the
historic start the Coach Cal has had.

by blue oregon on May 24, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Blue O

Keep in mind that KSR copied a comment from the Cat’s Pause site — Totally unverifiable, and quite frankly I’m shocked they would put something of that nature on the site.

by Ken Howlett on May 24, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

frankly I’m shocked they would put something of that nature on the site.

My thoughts exactly.

It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.

by kentuckygirl0724 on May 25, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm Not

Classic Matt Jones.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 25, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who knows if it was true or not

But i find that fact that a guy in his mid forties trolls college bars as fairly shady,especially one who was the former UK basketball coach. His verified behavior after losing his position just reinforces my negative opinion of him.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on May 25, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did Jodie slip up ...?

…Did Meeks let the “cat” out of the bag…???

I know this is old news, but it makes you wondr….

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on May 23, 2009 11:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

er, WONDER... sorry...

Knob Creek kicking in…. lol

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on May 23, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry...

…just my drink of choice… and it is Saturday night… lol

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on May 23, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

try it some time...

…It’s really smooth….

9yr old KY straight

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on May 23, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Clermont, KY...

whiskey was born in KY. The only whiskey that I’ll buy not from KY is Crown Royal.

My favorites:
1. Maker’s Mark
2. Crown Royal
3. Wild Turkey

The Spork, I'm two things in one.

by the spork on May 23, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

all good choices...

but I personally prefer the Creek…

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on May 23, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It...

seems like most ASOB members do.

The Spork, I'm two things in one.

by the spork on May 23, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boo...

Knob Creek. Yay Maker’s Mark.

The Spork, I'm two things in one.

by the spork on May 23, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

both are excellent

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on May 23, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Woodford Reserve

Envy our past......Fear our future

by btcoop71 on May 25, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good...

choice, but too expensive for my taste.

The Spork, I'm two things in one.

by the spork on May 26, 2009 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds positive!

It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.

by kentuckygirl0724 on May 23, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you guys didn't see this already...

…and yet another reason for me to put my head between my legs when thinking about Florida basketball 2009-10…

Calathes is going pro…in Greece!

I wasn’t as big a fan of Calathes as some Gator fans were, but I knew we did need him to give us some scoring when we face you guys next year. Now I’m scared you might hold us to under 40 each game. I need a drink!

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by The Bull Gator on May 24, 2009 8:10 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I had heard this was a possibility...

But I really didn’t think it would come to fruition.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on May 24, 2009 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not a bad deal financially...

…basically he’s getting paid as if he would’ve been the last lottery pick. But I still didn’t see this coming.

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by The Bull Gator on May 24, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Calipari Is Big! No, I Mean BIG!

Jerry Tipton provides Insight into the phenomenon that is John Calipari.

"The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground." --Thomas Jefferson

by Wild Weasel on May 24, 2009 8:53 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Calathes Going Pro??

Is Florida imploding?? Guess you cant blame Calathes for taking that kind of deal …. makes more sense since his brother is already in the same league too…. makes me wonder if this is bad for UK – in that more teams may be interested in Jodie. Both have distinguished themselves at the college level and deserve their dues … I’m still hoping Jodie wil be back withus one mere year…….

by ukcris on May 24, 2009 9:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Tru, I am surprised that

NO one has even mentioned this, my biggest problem with Forde’s comments….

He actually said he thought “uncle” Wes had something to do with Wall signing…..Pat Forde’s words….just his words and on to another point he went. is this a topic that is off-limits or what?
Just a little concerning for me, even though he stated that he thought so, no maybe’s or anything like that….just his opinion, yes?

So if we can set aside little bickers, back and forth between the two of them, sure. Let them disagree. Sometimes it makes fun entertainment. :-)

Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on May 24, 2009 2:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Forde has railed against WWWes before

I’ve not seen anything to think he had anything to do with Wall. I just think Forde was throwing out a buzzword this time.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on May 25, 2009 7:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

FORDE IS A TOOL

he does not like uk to get better and win in any way he has to much love for louisville to be a unbias sportswriter but oh well it will make beating louisville in football and basketball this upcoming year so much better

by Coach cal on May 25, 2009 10:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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