UK Basketball: The 'Cat's Finally out of the Bag
With the historic (some say "unprecedented") recruiting haul perpetrated by UK basketball savior coach John Calipari, capped off by the signing of the ridiculously-talented point guard John Wall, an excited Big Blue Nation is once again on the brink of enjoying a season of round-ball victories. Or more pointedly, a season full of meaningful, March, round-ball victories. For many, November can't get here soon enough.
Who can blame them?
For it seems like eons ago that Kentucky occupied the penthouse of college basketball. Four consecutive seasons of disappointment, unfulfilled promise, and early exits from the biggest of dances, the NCAA Tournament, left UK fans feeling numb and uncharacteristically downtrodden.
Who can blame them?
After-all ...
... Kentucky fans, over the last four seasons, have witnessed a buffet of poor play, which has led to ...
Perplexing Losses
- The "Sheray Thomas illegally leaving the lane during a free throw" induced SEC Tournament loss to Mississippi State in 2007.
- The 2008 home loss to Gardner-Webb (I blame that game on my wife, she was there).
- The 2007 and 2008 "we're going to pound the paint even though Varnado is blocking everything we shoot" losses to Mississippi State (I blame that game on my wife, she was there).
- The 2008 home loss to San Diego.
- The 2008 "snatching defeat from the jaws of victory" Freedom Hall loss to UAB (I blame that game on Tru, he was there).
- The 2008 road loss to Houston.
- The 2009 home loss to VMI.
- The 2009 home finale loss to Georgia (the worst team in the SEC).
Kentucky fans have also endured an extraordinary number of ...
Blowout Losses
- Indiana in December of '05 -- 79-53
- Kansas in January of '06 -- 73-46
- Florida in February of '06 -- 95-80
- Memphis in November of '06 -- 80-63
- Indiana in December of '07 -- 70-51
- Louisville in January of '08 -- 89-75
- Vanderbilt in February of '08 -- 93-52
- North Carolina in December of '08 -- 77-58
- South Carolina in February of '09 -- 77-59
Yet another reason the Bluegrass has been so overwhelmingly absent Wildcat joy for lo these many (four) years is the conspicuous ...
Absence of Kentucky From the National Rankings
The following is a list of how many games UK played as a ranked team over the last four years:
- 2005-'06 Season -- Total games played as a ranked team; 14 of 35. Zero games played versus an SEC opponent as a ranked team.
- 2006-'07 Season -- Total games played as a ranked team; 11 of 34. Six games played versus an SEC opponent as a ranked team.
- 2007-'08 Season -- Total games played as a ranked team; two of 31. Zero games played versus an SEC opponent as a ranked team.
- 2008-'09 Season -- Total games played as a ranked team; One of 36. One game played versus an SEC opponent as a ranked team.
This, coming on the heels of UK being ranked in 153 straight games played. A streak that started on December 2, 2000, and ended January 7, 2006.
Nothing gets a UK fans blood boiling more than not being ranked, except of course a poor ...
Rupp Record
Since Rupp Arena opened for 1976-'77 season, UK has won roughly 90.0% of all games played there, but over the last four seasons UK's winning percentage has dropped dramatically to an unacceptable 76.8%. UK's recent home record:
- 2005-'06 Season -- 11-4
- 2006-'07 Season -- 14-2
- 2007-'08 Season -- 14-4
- 2008-'09 Season -- 14-6
That's a very un-Cat-like 53-16. Comparatively speaking, from the 1990-'91 season to the 2004-'05 season (15 seasons), UK was nearly unbeatable at home, coming out victorious 186 times against only 17 losses (91.6 winning percentage).
Just as disturbing to most fans was UK's ...
SEC Record
- 2005-'06 Season -- 9-7
- 2006-'07 Season -- 9-7
- 2007-'08 Season -- 12-4
- 2008-'09 Season -- 8-8
That's a cumulative 38-26 (59.4%) SEC record. Pitiful, especially when one considers this -- Between the '90-'91 season and the '04-'05 season, UK sported a Brad Pitt-handsome 186-46 SEC record. That's winnin' 'em at an 80.2% clip, for an average record of 13-3.
SEC Sidebar -- As many know, UK has won more SEC Tournament Championships than all the other SEC member schools combined. Never before has UK's dominance been more apparent than from the '91-'92 season until the '04-'05 season. During those 14 years, Kentucky's SEC Tournament record was 34-4. Read that again; 34-4. And they won 10 tourney championships. Amazing. But, in the last four years, UK has gone 4-4 with zero tourney titles. "Cat-lanta" was reduced to "Cat-loss-lanta."
Just as painful and fan endurance-testing was UK's ...
Overall Record
During the same time-span ('90-'91 to '04-'05) UK's cumulative season record was 424-94. An overall winning percentage of 81.9. Conversely, UK's record the previous four seasons looks like this:
- 2005-'06 Season -- 22-13
- 2006-'07 Season -- 22-12
- 2007-'08 Season -- 18-13
- 2008-'09 Season -- 22-14
That comes out to an unremarkable 84-52 record, good for a 61.8% rate of victory. Pretty good for Georgia or Ole Miss, but pretty pathetic for UK.
And what most (some would say all) UK fans live for, the ...
NCAA Tournament
Over the last four years, instead of March bringing a healthy dose of Kentucky sizzle, the ensuing Wildcat fizzle has been the source of the Commonwealth's March MADness.
In the 14 years prior to the meltdown, UK's record for the NCAA Tournament was 43-12. An astonishing 78.2 winning percentage, to go along with: Two National Championships, four Final Fours, and nine Elite Eights. At minimum, nine out of 14 years UK made the Elite Eight. Truly an incredible run, which is made to look even more incredible when one considers UK's most recent NCAA outcomes:
- 2005-'06 Season -- 1-1
- 2006-'07 Season --1-1
- 2007-'08 Season -- 0-1
- 2008-'09 Season -- NIT
That says it all.
But, why bring up the statistical freak show now?
To illustrate, in crystal clear form, that UK and UK fans deserve what is about to happen. No, I didn't say we are entitled, or some-such thing. I wrote that we "deserve" the renaissance that awaits, come November of '09.
DESERVE -- to be worthy (of); merit.
As a fan base, accustomed to winning at about a 75-80% clip, we have weathered the imperfect storm which clouded our winters, and reduced our spring to following our favorite pro baseball teams grapefruit league results. But, we never gave up.
Through all the frustration and anger, UK fans never walked away. For confirmation, one only has to peruse the Rupp Arena average attendance marks:
- 2005-'06 Season -- 22,519
- 2006-'07 Season -- 22,763
- 2007-'08 Season -- 23,421
- 2008-'09 Season -- 22,554
Fair-weather fans? I don't think so.
We have continued to support the 'Cats through unparalleled trying times -- Never in UK's history has the basketball team performed so inadequately over a stretch of four consecutive seasons. But, our passion never waned, the rock-steady belief that UK would be back, never waned. We didn't question IF Kentucky would be back, only WHEN.
When Florida, U of L or some other less fortunate fan base told us that UK's time had passed, we nodded knowingly, saying, "Man, don't you know anything about the history of college basketball. UK always bounces back, and always will, you fool."
We listened and read as Dick Vitale, Scott Van Pelt, Jeff Goodman and others incorrectly stated that we "ran off" Tubby. It seemed that bad-mouthing UK became an art form. It didn't matter if what they said was true or not, as long as they were belittling UK and Kentucky fans. So typical; kick the big man on campus when he's down.
We listened and read as pundits such as Hubert Davis, Rece Davis, Doug Gottlieb, and Dick Weiss correctly stated that UK didn't have the thoroughbreds to compete with the elite. But, we always clung to the notion that Big Blue would soon be bringing the big lumber.
UK fans remained steadfast, and assured in our system of belief. A tenet embedded in our gray matter since we were old enough to determine the difference between a Card and a 'Cat (five national championships). A creed that has remained faithful to all Kentucky fans since Adolph Rupp introduced modern basketball to the world -- Kentucky will always be the king. The occasional ailment may prevent the 'Cats from ruling with an iron fist, but recovery is guaranteed.
And because of our faith, we deserve.
Patterson and Meeks, with a little Pearl
As fully as I believe that UK fans are deserving of a rewarding season, I also feel that Patrick Patterson and Jodie Meeks (when he comes back) deserve a fun-filled, championship season. They've both played hurt, and in Meeks' case, injured. Both players play hard, they both play for the name across their chest, and neither is at fault for UK's recent disappointing play.
One final note: Kentucky, as I've noted, has just survived a program-worst four year stretch, and our neighbors to the south, the Tennessee Vols, have just enjoyed their best hardwood run in at least 40 years. Yet, Bruce Pearls record versus UK over the last four years is an underwhelming 3-5 ...
Paint that on your chest as a reminder, Bruce, because that's as good as it's gonna get.
Thanks for reading, and Go-Go 'Cats!
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I Think UK Will Flip With Memphis (Last 4 Seasons, Next 4 Seasons)
Memphis averaged 30+ W the past 4 seasons. UK barely averaged 20 W.
Those averages should flip. UK may well (should) average 30+ W the next 4 years.
by FortyYearCatFan on May 22, 2009 6:23 AM EDT reply actions
March 4, 2009
Senior Day. Playing the #12 team in the SEC standings. I was about to cry. Not like I had always done before. What is going on, with this. ?!?!?
I had tried my entire shirt collection throughout the season. Sometimes, I would change at half-time. I tried so hard to find one that worked. Sometimes it worked. So that was the shirt, for the next game. Until halftime anyway. All my shirts where becoming unlucky. What??
Thanks Ken for pointing out one of the reasons why we deserve to be crazyily, unbelievably, giddy over what is happening plus,,, we see as our little glimmer of hope, that never went out, finally receiving the oxygen it needed to burn so bright.
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
I have faith that senior day 2010 will be entirely different
I’d like to see PPat go ahead and declare for the 2010 draft during next season so we can recognize him at the game (a la Ron Mercer in 97) and I hope we recognize Michael Porter as well.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
I agree with the Michael Porter Idea
dude has put up with so much ish since he became a cat that he deserves some praise.
He could have easily used the All Seniors stay loophole to sit on the bench and graduate, but he did what was best for his family and the team and gave up his spot. That takes more courage than a lot of alternatives.
boosters should take care of him
and his family after graduation. he is a good man from my limited perspective.
I want to die while asleep like my grandfather,
not screaming in terror like the passengers in his car.
I Think
Porter will return to California next year.
by FortyYearCatFan on May 22, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
what better way than a first class trip for the fam
on UK $, you know, one of the many reminders of gratitude the BBN has for him.
I want to die while asleep like my grandfather,
not screaming in terror like the passengers in his car.
Not 100% Sure
But Roy Williams got in NCAA hot water at Kansas for something like that.
by FortyYearCatFan on May 22, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
March 4, 2009
I absolutely did cry. :(
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on May 22, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Over 75,000 followers this am
Does he actually think the BBN can’t? 100K is right around the corner….lol
:-)
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
We shall overcome!!!
And anyone who says we wont can take a hike!…..one more comment from someone about how John Wall and John Calipari are going to make us even more of a cheating, sneaking, corrupt program, and I am going to find a really frustrated postal worker to send on a vacation to a blogger’s house.
Remember, we're having fun now!!!
As Tru Always Says
Embrace The Hate
Jealousy will make a person say some stupid stuff. you just gotta roll with it, and wait for the Cats to make them eat their words.
YOU NAILED IT KEN
I love embracing the HATE———- What others think matters not to me. We of the BBN know our program and won’t
back down one bit. You know without the valleys—-you can’t enjoy the peaks…..!!!!!! Every time the valley comes to the BBN we gain more to our family as we climb up to the peak! I have never known of ANYONE to wash their hands of our CATS (win-lose-draw). Yes we get down, but that is why cats have CLAWS!!!!!
Let’s PLAY BALL——-GO BIG BLUE
I was thinking,
after I read this for the third time..lol..Even though we felt hope, trying to leave unwillingly, we would not allow this. Here is what we fans do…
UK Basketball Leads Nation in Attendance
I know you have seen it, but if not, here is a link.
See……we are and always will be the University of Kentucky Wildcats. :-)
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
THANKS
I had never seen the #’s——but believed it in my heart!! Now I have the FACTS!!!!! I love being hated…
Love, Hate, and Apathy
Everybody can love us. That’s fine. Everybody can hate us. That’s fine, too. But if people don’t care, that’s not fine. One other note to the non-Kentucky fans (in other words, the uninformed and stupid), when you talk for four years about how irrelevant UK is, you are disproving your own point.
Nice post
I thought i was reading something Forty wrote. No, really I remember far too many of these low points. I also, thought all my lucky tee shirts had soured.
"You are what you are and you ain't what you ain't"
never apathetic!!!
Disappointments come and go, and thankfully gone now!!! I am sooo excited about this season, and will soon go shopping for updating game day attire!!!…Good for a gal’s mood, also good for the economy!!! We will never forget the low points, but I think we can breath deep now and smile really big. The sun shines bright…for sure!!!
KYCatwoman
I want to say this is a good post...
But there is a part of me that objects to referring to anything having to do with the last 4 years as “good.” :-) This is an excellent presentation of why they have been so irritating though.
Here’s to the next 4 years (and beyond) not just balancing out the previous 4, but being truly special.
I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra
I get ya
“Excellent presentation …” — I like it.
I have a feeling that in 2013 we’ll look back on UK’s recent stretch of “irritating” play, and laugh about it. Well, maybe not laugh, but it at least will seem like a loooong time ago.
it'll be 2020 before
we realize just how good we’ve had it…..can’t tell you much but suffice to say for those of us lucky to be around then, the UK fandom will have a gluttony of special seasons. ;)
I want to die while asleep like my grandfather,
not screaming in terror like the passengers in his car.
Climbing the Peaks from the Valley
IT’S THE REASON CATS HAVE CLAWS!!
by kentuckystrong on May 22, 2009 10:18 AM EDT reply actions
Neve Apathetic
Let’s shop together!!!!! Bring the Credit Cards!!
by kentuckystrong on May 22, 2009 10:26 AM EDT reply actions
I agree ALLBLUCAT, , Ive heard all the crapola I need for a LONG time
I think it is jealousy mixed with a bit of fear. Forde’s article yesterday made me realize how much I hate Pitino. The main reason being, EVERYone wants to kiss his rear, but he along with just about everyone else at one point or another has had troubles with the ncaa, http://www.nytimes.com/1989/05/24/sports/pitino-unfazed-by-past-infractions.html. Is crazy how hes still the media’s darling, and Calapari gets egg on his face.
Well, I dont wish any ill will
Rick’s way, but I am tired of the ranting and innuendo from people that cant do anything else about Calipari, because there is no proof.
Remember, we're having fun now!!!
Odd
Matt Jones wrote a blistering article on Pat Forde, and now it has disappeared.
Envy our past......Fear our future
got slitched bapped
couldn’t handle the ESPN heat…..puss
I want to die while asleep like my grandfather,
not screaming in terror like the passengers in his car.
Decade Vs Decade
V-shaped recovery, it’s a term you hear often pertaining to the stock market. It’s something hoped for but seldom, if ever, realized (the recent recovery from March lows has the possibility but don’t count on it). UK BB has the opportunity, perhaps probability, of achieving such a recovery over the next decade (2010-2019) but in today’s rapidly changing environment don’t count on it.
"The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground." --Thomas Jefferson
From 1960's On (Except 1990's)
UK has seen wild swings in W totals during the same decade.
1960’s were up and down. So were 1970’s – 80’s – and now 2K’s.
Only the 1990’s escaped the Up & Down swings.
by FortyYearCatFan on May 22, 2009 12:04 PM EDT reply actions
here's to the 2010's mirroring the 1990's.........
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on May 22, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotta love it!
Living here in Nashville, it has become like old times again! Sports talk radio is filled with UK haters again, trying to find more and more things wrong with the great ’Cats. The bashing is just reenforcing the simple fact…we are once again the real power in the SEC, to be envied and emulated (eventually). A very nice change from the ridicule and dismissal that I had to endure for the last 4 years. Good times are on the horizon!!!!
Great article...
But to paraphrase using a quote sure to go down in the history of Wildcat lore…
“Its time to get sh!t right.”
Academics Could Solve Roster Problems
Rivals’ Jerry Meyer reports:
Something has to give, and academics are the first thing that will shake up the Kentucky roster.
"The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground." --Thomas Jefferson
Sounds like some guys weren't planning on being here next year anyways...
What’s the point if you’re just going to transfer and have to sit a year at the next school.
Thank you so very much Ken
For taking the time to put together this amazing piece about how my 4 years at UK were the absolute worst for Kentucky basketball. Ever.
No really, it wasn’t painful enough to live through once.
Haha
Don’t worry about it. It’s hard to stay mad about the past when the future looks so bright.
You Missed 1979, 80, 81, 82 Then
1st round NIT loss in 79.
Loss to Duke IN RUPP ARENA in 80.
1st round NCAA losses in 81 & 82.
by FortyYearCatFan on May 22, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Well ...
UK was 19-12, 29-6, 22-6, and 22-8 in those years. Hardly any comparison to the last four years.
And the loss to Duke was by six in OT.
Now the losses to Middle and UAB compare to NCAA results over the last four years, but the overall tenor of the seasons come nowhere close to reaching the abyss of ‘05-’09.
The End Of The Season Counts Most
And those 4 years were even worse (1-4 in postseason play) than the past 4 years (4-4 in postseason games).
UK lost TWICE to Duke in 1979-80 season. Once by a few, once by A LOT.
by FortyYearCatFan on May 22, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Correction
Wrong year, UK lost by 1 in NCAA game and 6 (OT) in opening game to Duke that year.
The 80-55 pounding was a different season.
by FortyYearCatFan on May 22, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
80-55 --1989 -- Everyone knew it was going to be an ugly year after that game.
Come on, now.
There is NO comparison between the previous four seasons, and the four you notate, regardless of NCAAT results— UK lost only 5 home games in those four years, they were 7-4 in SECT games, and they won 74.2% of their games, and of their 32 losses in those four years, 18 were by five points or less. Compare those stats with the ones I’ve listed above.
Those teams had Kyle Macy, Derrick Hord, Sam Bowie, Melvin Turpin, Dirk Minniefield, Jim Master, Charles Hurt, Dwight Anderson, Fred Cowan, LaVon Williams, etc. Not exactly bankrupt of talent.
maybe not bankrupt of talent...
but the class with bowie, minniefield, etal had to be the most underachieving class in UK history relative to incoming expectations – to be one of the top 2 or 3 classes of all time at UK (per Forty’s post earlier this week) and have results similar to the last few years is painful to think about…..
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on May 22, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
They didn't have similar results, except for early NCAA exits, which happens
even to great teams.
The ’80 team was ranked 3rd in both the AP and UPI in the final polls. The ’81 team was ranked 8th in both polls at the end of the year.
As to the underachieving — I definitely agree, as it pertains to their lack of tourney success.
Let me amend --
There haven’t been too many “great” teams lose in the opening round of the NCAAT, so let me change “great” to “good” in the above opening sentence.
There Is No Comparison Between The ENDS Of Those 4 Seasons And The Most Recent 4
Those 4 yielded 1-4 postseason record.
The latest 4 yielded 4-4 in postseason.
by FortyYearCatFan on May 22, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep,no comparison
79-Not Ranked/NIT
80- AP #4 Sweet 16
81- AP #8 Second RD
82- AP #15 First RD
06-NR Second RD
07-NR Second RD
08-NR First Rd
09-NR NIT
UK did underachieve in the posteseason,but your stat is misleading because you are counting NIT wins VS NCAAT wins.Also we had good regular seasons,and Joe B had his way with Bobby Knight when IU was a powerhouse,and highly ranked every year back then.But,Dale Brown owned Joe B pretty much during that timeframe as well.
UK had 2 teams that finished in the AP Top Ten and 1 in the Top 15, 1 NR.The last 4 years produced 4 Not Ranked teams.Not even close.
Ranked Means Squat
0-1 NIT in 79.
1-1 NCAA in 80.
0-1 NCAA in 81.
0-1 NCAA in 82.
by FortyYearCatFan on May 22, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
OK Just NCAA Then
1-3 back then.
2-3 lately.
Still better.
by FortyYearCatFan on May 22, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Ranked Means Squat
Postseason results are more important.
by FortyYearCatFan on May 22, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
The NCAA # is a distortion of the truth
back then,UK got a bye into the second round.And the regular season does count for something.
79-NIT
80- 1 seed
81- 2 seed
82- 6 seed
06- 8 seed
07- 8 seed
08- 13 seed
09-NIT
Teams of the early 80’s are clearly better than those of the last 4.
Even More Disappointing
80 was 1-1, 81 and 82 were 0-1 in NCAA despite high seeds.
06 and 07 were 1-1, 08 was 0-1 in NCAA (expected of low seeds).
09 won 2 NIT games. 79 lost 1st round NIT game.
by FortyYearCatFan on May 23, 2009 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Those days are over....
The Cal-vary is coming, and he’s bringing hell with him…
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
Agreed
UK will be Sweet 16 (minimum) EVERY year.
Final 4 caliber every OTHER year.
Roy Williams has 2 NC and 3 FF in 6 years at UNC.
Calipari will beat those numbers.
by FortyYearCatFan on May 23, 2009 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Vince
40 is not Vaught. After a year of reading 40’s comments and putting together his information. I believe 40 is obviously connected to Tubby and he made his living playing basketball some years back.
Neither Is Accurate
Last played basketball (wearing uniform) back in 1964 as 7th grader.
I have met Tubby, yes.
I know Larry Vaught, yes.
by FortyYearCatFan on May 23, 2009 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Guys, it appears
that this thing with Brooks may have some legs. Three different sources told me last night this thing was football, and NO ONE was to speak about it, out of respect for Coach….It appears to be health related, but I can’t get anyone to confirm it at all
Remember, we're having fun now!!!
I am praying I am
the only thing I was able to confirm last night, was that UKAA put a mandate on all personnel not to talk about it….the health issues came from 2 different sources and 1 is not a blogger.
Remember, we're having fun now!!!
I talked to everyone I know
at UK….at 2 different TV stations sports depts…and a family friend that is usually on the inside with UK info…..NO ONE HAS ANY IDEA, or if they do, they will not talk about it
Remember, we're having fun now!!!
I THINK
that Jones over at KSR knows what’s up….but he isnt talking for fear of losing his source, or at least thats the way it was made to seem
Remember, we're having fun now!!!
Forty
I think your stats are misleading on this one. I have to go with Ken’s stats.
DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!
Postseason Results Are THE Most Important
1985 was disappointing until Sweet 16 finish. Better than 1981 or 82 despite lesser record.
2002 was disappointing until Sweet 16 finish. Better than 2004 despite lesser record.
by FortyYearCatFan on May 23, 2009 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions
its a small sample size
it’s the most important, but you can’t accurately judge the caliber of the team by a few postseason results
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
Like It Or Not, That's How Teams Are Judged
The final poll result, the NCAA tournament games.
by FortyYearCatFan on May 23, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
theyre judged in myriad ways
its a responsible sports fan’s job to judge them in responsible ways. taking a team’s record in five games is not a proper barometer of how good that team is, and it’s silly to pretend it is.
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
Read The Second Sentence In His First Paragraph
Meaningful MARCH victories.
by FortyYearCatFan on May 23, 2009 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
what's your point?
every team wants to win in march. but if they don’t it doesnt necessarily mean theyre a bad team.
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
Calipari Will Win In March
That’s the point.
That was the difference between the 1990’s (31 W in NCAA games) and 1980’s (13 W in NCAA games) or 2000’s (14 W in NCAA games).
by FortyYearCatFan on May 23, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Post season success
You only use post season success to judge a team when it suits you. If you were defending Tubby you would be going on and on about winning percentage and blah blah blah. You argument on this one is thin and we can all see right through it. Ken nailed this one with the stats he posted.
DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!
um what?
all i’m saying is it’s silly to say a team is bad because it went 1-2 in the postseason over two years. there are much better ways to judge a team, like regular-season and conference record, RPI, tournament seeding, etc. Ken did a good job of that. I was commenting on what Forty said.
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
He Had Postseason Success (Not Always)
6 Sweet 16 in 10 years. 4 Elite 8, 1 NC won.
Right on UK all-time averages for each.
by FortyYearCatFan on May 23, 2009 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
UK Averages 2 FF Per 10 Years
13 FF in 71 years of NCAA tourneys.
He was 1 short of UK average.
by FortyYearCatFan on May 23, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Here Again, If It's All About FF
Why follow UK then?
Kentucky hasn’t been #1 in FF since the 1960’s.
Even in the 1990’s, both Duke and UNC had more FF than UK did.
by FortyYearCatFan on May 23, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
My point was more...
If its all about statistical averages, why didn’t you mention FF? You showed that he was right on averages for everything but conveniently left out FF. Facts are facts but that doesn’t mean they can’t be misleading
Always Have
10 NCAA in 10 years = above UK avg.
6 Sweet 16, 4 Elite 8 = at UK average.
1 NC in 10 years = at UK average.
1 FF in 10 years = 1 short of UK avg.
by FortyYearCatFan on May 23, 2009 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
0-1 in the NCAA before it expanded to 64 teams
Is very similar to going out in the round of 32 today.
It was a lot harder to get a post-season win back then.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
UAB And Middle Tenn St (1981 And 82)
Hardly fearsome NCAA opponents.
by FortyYearCatFan on May 23, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
BBN
Ken, Thanks for such a great piece on what it means to be a part of the Big Blue Nation. These Blue and White colors don’t run!
My first UK basketball memories are of listening to games on the radio when Cotton Nash was performing his magic. I graduated from UK in ‘72. My faith has never wavered. Along with everyone else, I’ve been frustrated of late, but never wavered in my belief in the unique program we have.
Re; recent blowout losses. We now have the most comeptitive coach in the nation who has a true understanding of what it means to coach the University Of Kentucky basketball team. He “gets” the history and how deeply those losses hurt. To paraphrase Mr. T, " I pity the team" that took out years of frustration on us when we were struggling. Paybacks can be bad. Excited doesn’t begin to explain how I feel. I’ve never been prouder to be a part of the BBN.
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro...Hunter S. Thompson
Another great post Ken!
I hope the next 4 years bring much better news to write
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Thanks oldcat70
It’s so much more fun to write positive pieces, and I look forward with great anticipation to the Calipari era.
Welcome to ASoB UK72
From another Western Kentuckian from Marshall County
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OldCat70:
Thanks. I’ve been around awhile. Usually read more than I write. I learn more that way. Congrats to MCHS Grads tonight! I have friends on staff there.
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro...Hunter S. Thompson
Marshall County Next To/Close To Calloway County?
No doubt you knew (of) Stan Key from you ’72 class at UK. He was Calloway County HS star from Hazel KY.
by FortyYearCatFan on May 22, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Stan Key
I had classes with Stan. What a great guy. Do I remember that he returned to Murray and worked? I wish someone would report in on him.
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro...Hunter S. Thompson
Boooo Marshall County
What’s wrong with you people?!!?
It seems like an inordinate amount of posters from that backwards hole in the ground! * grumble grumble grumble *
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
LOL
Do we have a problem with Marshall County?
One of my favorite coaches, WKU women’s coach Mary Taylor Cowles, is from Marshall County. Plus, they have a GREAT gym.
Plus, a Nobel Prize Winner from Possum Trot.
Why Kentucky education officials never highlight the accomplishments of Robert H. Grubbs, remains beyond me.
by Thomas Hunt Morgan on May 22, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Ken we Had season tickets
when Mary Tatlor played for the Marshals. She is quite a gal!
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I really like her. She's an absolute class act, she genuinely cares for her players,
and she’s a very fine coach.
"That backwards hole in the ground"
is the crown jewel of the Kentucky park system. What with Kentucky Lake,Barkley Lake and then the LBL in the National Park system.
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ah, the haters like chirop
Like a Louisville fan, he’s just a little envious ; ) Marshall County’s where it’s at, y’all!
How is it I’ve never heard of Robert H. Grubbs?? [insert joke about the Marshall County school system here]
by blue kentucky girl on May 22, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Marshall County
When you’ve been as successful as Howard Beth, there are going to be detractors. Someone’s team has obviously met the Lady Marshlls on the hardwood!
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro...Hunter S. Thompson
You got that rightUK72
The Marshals are hated aimost like Uk and for the same reasons.
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Nah... actually got railroaded through the Marshall County judicial system
For a speeding ticket that I didn’t earn.
I’ll always pony up and pay the fine if I’m doing the crime… but one jerkwad of a sheriff’s deputy and a judge who never listened gave me a bad impression of the county. Jeez… that’s been 10 years ago now. I’m starting to feel old… but my grudge against all things Marshall County is as fresh as ever!!!!
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
Meeks At #15
It’s possible that Jodie could join Tayshaun. Provided Prince is not traded as rumoured.
"The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground." --Thomas Jefferson
Detroit has lost their way.
I hope Jodie gets to be somewhere that they know what they are doing. I would have liked to see him at Houston with Chuck, or be a last minute pickup for someone like LA Lakers or Orlando.
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Roster Waiting On Meeks
UK roster should be in place by mid-June plus Calipari wants Rondo, Prince, Hayes and Nazr to return for summer and Darius Miller may try out for USA 19-under team.
"The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground." --Thomas Jefferson
See my post
Andy Katz has talked to Coach and started making moves.
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I missed yours too Ken
sorry….mind is wandering a little today. I can pull mine if need be.
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To be honest, I don't know why I even posted the above post
You and WW are on top of things!! It doesn’t matter that it’s posted somewhere else.
No way
The Pistons just dont need much help at the two guard. They currently have Stuckey, Bynum, Hamilton and Afflalo in the backcourt. Stuckey is going to play the one and will also be moved off the ball some so Bynum and he can get minutes in the backcourt. Hamilton will play the majority of the minutes at the two guard with Afflalo getting whatever is left. When Stuck moves to the two Hamilton will either get rest or move to the three to spell Tay. That’s ASSUMING Tay and Rip are back. Either one or both could be moved for a frontcourt free agent. If that occurs I expect Joe D will go hard after Ben Gordon to replace them in the backcourt. Either way Jodie is a real stretch for the Pistons. I think they will go after a third point guard (since Stuck and Bynum are what they got and Stuck will see time off the ball) or a power forward.
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It may just be that there are
people making noise too….trying to get Jodie to stay….if its real then fine…but if not someone needs to make some people do a lot of explaining
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Detroit hasnt lost their way
Coming off 7 50 win seasons and 6 Eastern Conference finals appearances with 2 NBA final appearances and 1 championship Joe D is reloading. Their worst season in 7 years is still a first round playoff exit and they have 20 million in cap space to sign or swing trades with to bring some very good players into Detroit next season. The Pistons are going to be radically different next year. Joe D is one of the best GM’s in the business and the organization is attractive to players if not the city.
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dumars? really???
joe d is the best gm in the business? hahahahahahahah wow that is ridiculous. he shipped away one of the best pgs in the league for a has been self obsessed ai when in reality all the pistons needed was to get a real post player (rasheed wallace doesnt count, hes just a jump shooter) and they wouldve been back in the championship picture.
Couldnt have gotten a post player without giving someone up
I love Chauncey and it’s clear from looking at just this season the Nuggets got the better end of that deal but you shortsitedness is just like a lot of Pistons fans. I never tought AI was the Answer BUT you have to consider the financial ramifications of this deal and the ability if give Dumars to rebuild the team. The Pistons did need a post player and I think this gives them a better shot to land one.
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Billups
Is appearing in his 7th straight conference finals.
by FortyYearCatFan on May 23, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Where's the beef gonna come from in Detroit?
they lost their impact guy in the middle, now the Tayshaun rumors….and I know I will sound like a killjoy, but Rip Hamilton doesnt impress me. I just do not get a good feeling from the guy when it comes to running a team. I know he has been successful in the past, I just could never jump on his bandwagon.
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Who was their impact guy in the middle?
Which wallace? both have been on the downslide for several seasons. Maybe you arent impressed with Rip running a team becuase he is a shooting guard and doesnt run the team. Rip is great in a system. He plays fairly good defense and is very good at generating points in the system. He isnt a game changer though and never has been or claimed to be and he isnt great at breaking anyone down off the dribble. Detroit has two young players in Stuck and Bynum who are really good at breaking people down an creating.
The beef is going to come from someone not yet on the roster. A free agent or a sign and trade. Maybe Boozer, West, or Bosh, and possibly Gordon. There are a lot of possible scenarios with so much cap room in a year when only 2-3 other teams are going to be major players in the offseason and none of those teams will attract very good players.
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I really felt like they would make a move
when BOTH Wallace situations started deteriorating. Maybe Joe felt like he could get a little more mileage with what he had. It just seems that they have let Cleveland and Boston put them in their place lately. I know that Cleveland may be on their last legs if James bolts next year, and Boston is going to have to bring in some youth soon to get ready to replace the BIG 3. Detroit was my team for a long time when I lived up there, and I would just love to see them get some attitude back in the paint. As far as Rip goes, I meant running the team from a GM standpoint, not a PG standpoint, I should have been more clear. Detroit needs a big time 3 point guy at that spot who can still drive and create. I think they are 3-4 players from being significant again in the East….IMHO.
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Not sure why
That would have been a good time to dump both the Wallace’s but i think up until this last season at least Rasheed still looked like he had something left in the tank, at least until the playoffs rolled around. I think the Pistons are only 2-3 players away and I think they will get them this summer. I dont care what anyone says about Dumars he is one of the best gm’s in the league. The Pistons worst season in 7 years is a playoff exit and with the room for change he has I believe they will be right back in the hunt next year. That cant be said by any team but the Spurs. People have such short memories when it comes to basketball success.
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Hey everybody...
It’s been another fantastic week in UK land, and I hope everyone enjoys their holiday weekend.
Absolutely loved this Ken!
As someone else said, we can’t totally erase the past 4 years from our memories…it only makes the future seem brighter. We deserve the optimism for the future as you so aptly said. It’s not a sense of entitlement. Fans of the BBN have been patient in waiting, well maybe not some, but I still believe we are the best fans in the country overall.
On another note according to Brett Dawson there is a “mystery” presser in the morning at 10a.m. Has him totally confused.
I have no idea
It may not even be basketball related. Coach Cal is in Ma this weekend for his daughter’s college graduation. Heard John Clay on the Larry Glover show and he does not know either. Our anxious BBN will just have to wait and hear…lol.
There is word on the net
that Coach Brooks has developed health problems that will require him to retire effective immediately. I CANNOT CONFIRM this, but have gotten it from two independent sources that I believe to be accurate. Press conference is NOT supposed to be basketball related. IF ANYONE can confirm, please do.
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I cannot get ANYONE
that I normally ask questions, to tell me anything. The ONLY thing that they will say is that they were told not to speak to anyone about this. I REALLY hope and pray it is not true.
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Take the bad with the good
Stewart was “gone” weeks ago. The real “Q” is whether it’ll be Liggins or Galloway leaving, or both. I think Liggins. Hope Harrelson does indeed stay. Like the kid. Think he’s got alot of promise. The report was terrific, Ken! I think that the slide started about Tubby’s third year. He rebounded once or twice, but three good years out of ten? Sorry. Few respect Tubby Smith more then I do. He was/is a truely great man, just sadly not a great coach. Better then average, just not great. He let the offense slide. He managed to hang close with defense, but the offense fell off the charts. His only year where the team averaged 80+ was his first year. (80.1) Pitino’s worst year was I think 82! What this does is it even the odds, which is why we saw so many upsets to lesser opponents. That started with Tubby. It is hard to score 80+ points against major college teams, but if all you have to do is score 70 to have a chance to win? If a team knows they have to score 80 – or even 90 – to have a chance to win? They are almost beat to start with. It takes a lot of pressure off of them to know that 65 or 70 gives them a shot. When you can play tough “D” AND score 85 or 90, the mental war is almost over before it starts. Check out how many times Pitino’s teams scored over 100, then over 90, then over 80. Compared to Tubby’s teams! The more victories you win before the tip, the less likely you are to lose!
Food for thought: The virgin birth has much more to do with the absense of a natural earthly father then the use of a virgin mother. Now, chew.....
Ridiculous Comments
IF UK started to “slide” in 2000 (SEC champions who defeated both NC finalists, Mich St and Fla) then how about Pitino?
UK was 156-45 (78%) from 2000 (Tubby’s 3rd year) through 2005.
UK was 150-43 (78%) from 1990 through 1995 (Pitino’s first 6 years).
See the similarities?
Tubby ranks in or near the Top 10 in career W-L (%) record and career (%) record in NCAA games among active coaches.
UK was 87-15 (85%) in 2003-04-05 for the #1 W-L (%) record in Div I basketball.
It’s folks LIKE YOU who perpetuate the stereotype about UK fans.
by FortyYearCatFan on May 22, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
My point
40 yr.cat fan, is called MOTIVATION. Giving an opponent added incentive. Your supposed to be Mr. Statistic from what I gather. Well, there is another side to things called psychology. It’s the head games sir. The battlefield of the mind, to quote Joyce Meyer. To win in the battle for the mind is to have half the battle over before it starts. Defeat is accepted easier if one doesn’t believe their going to win in the first place. This isn’t an unknown concept. The “slide”, and yes that’s exactly what it was, ( it cost Tubby his job, hello!) started in the minds of UK’s opponents. Recognizing UK’s struggle to score points on a given night gave the “Daytons” of the world a little something called “hope”! They thought “hey! if we can score 75 tonight, we just might beat KENTUCKY”! The brand name is enough of an incentive in itself. The name KENTUCKY has given UK an advantage for years! I know that the most common complaint I heard about Tubby for years was that his teams played UGLY. If he had been a truely great coach, he wouldn’t be in Minnesota today. He was a very good coach, just not great. I wish, because of his Christian faith, that he could have been great! I stood up for him longer then most people I know. I noticed that you didn’t check the “stats” on Tubby’s and Pitino’s teams scoring 100, 90, 80? Hmmm. I wonder why? Calipari has stuck a dagger in the heart of most of the GOOD teams we’ll play next year. I wonder what the “lesser” teams are thinking right now? I’m sure they’re looking forward to their big chance to knock off KENTUCKY! He, I promise you, understands the “psychology” part of the game. That’s all I was talking about….Don’t get so upset my friend. This is supposed to be fun, and I for one am enjoying myself. Hope you can do the same.
Food for thought: The virgin birth has much more to do with the absense of a natural earthly father then the use of a virgin mother. Now, chew.....
by blubloodcatfan on May 22, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
OK Forty
We get it. Now let it rest.
I am more concerned about what ABC said above re Coach Brooks than anything about past stats and opinions.
Well sometimes
Someone has to step in and try to stop Forty and others when something else more important IMO happens in UK athletics. I like Forty but enough is enough.
Good luck with that
I’ve tried, Tru’s tried, everyone one has tried. It would be easier to pierce the ears of a snake.
Tubby - ZERO FF in last 9 years
that is a FACT.
Now that being said, i was one that was a tubby supporter to the end. i know he was one dwayne wade breakout and a bogans ankle injury from going to the FF later in his tenure, but the lack of FF after the first FF did him in…. btw, i give tubby FULL credit for his NC. Also, i do believe tubby is one of the BEST bench coaches in college basketball.
you can quote W and L records all you want, but FF (and more importantly, NC) are the measure of success at UK. you can call me one of the fans that perpetuates the bad rap we get, but when you are the winningest program in college bball and have the second most NCs, 10+ loss seasons and a FF in the first of a 10 year tenure will not get it.
and again – I LIKED TUBBY AS THE COACH.
Sorry Tru for the eruption………
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on May 22, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry - should have kept reading....
Forty said it best in the post just below….
Again, Sorry…..
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on May 22, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
That Is A Fact
If it’s the only (important) fact, so be it. UK led in FF back in 1950’s but not lately.
UK hasn’t been #1 in FF since the 1960’s. Ohio St led then, now UNC and UCLA do.
UK leads in other categories such as W-L (%) record, conference titles, NCAA appearances, etc.
by FortyYearCatFan on May 22, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll Let It Rest
When it can be stated that 219-58 (his first 8 years) were pretty close to 219-50 (Pitino’s 8 years) but his last 2 years were sub-par.
That’s factual.
by FortyYearCatFan on May 22, 2009 8:53 PM EDT reply actions
I Live In Chicago
Vaught hasn’t answered my E-Mail yet.
by FortyYearCatFan on May 22, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
k....thx
no one is talking….not even to deny it…..has me a little worried….
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V Heard Nothing
He would say if he had. I wouldn’t put it here but he would tell me.
by FortyYearCatFan on May 22, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Matt Jones over at KSR
will not elaborate about what he says is “not basketball related” and “bad news”
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looks like AJ is the 3rd player that
will not be staying at UK….he, Williams, and Carter seem to be either headed elsewhere or graduating
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Per Dawson at the CJ
UK wanted this kept under wraps. I hope what you heard ABC is just a rumor started on another blog.
One blog and I would say you were right kat
I have it from 3 people at three different places and one is NOT a blog….NONE of the three knew about the other sources….all believe it IS NOT bball related……only one said it was health related
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The Wildcat Mascot
got malaria on a mission trip. Must get IV fluids for the next few weeks. By mid- summer should be back in the gym. Come football season he’ll be 100%. Really appreciates everyone’s comcern….says GO BIG BLUE!!!!
What a trooper!!!
I want to die while asleep like my grandfather,
not screaming in terror like the passengers in his car.
Gillispie buyout?
Seems like ideal for UK to announce the deal. Vaught said it was close to being done earlier in the week.
by Thomas Hunt Morgan on May 22, 2009 10:27 PM EDT reply actions
nope....UKAA announced at 10:00pm
that the press conference IS NOT bball related
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Presser at Memorial colesium per John Clay.
One would think if it was about Brooks, it would be at Commonwealth.
The Gillispie settlement has nothing directly to do with the men’s team, so I think it could still be possible (if unlikely) about BCG.
by Thomas Hunt Morgan on May 22, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Awesome Post!!!
Ken.
Your narrative was simply great! Better than anything I have read on ESPN.com. Informative and inspiring. I am impressed :-)
Right on!
forty years
does not make you the all-knowing, all-seeing and end-all of the discussion expert on Kentucky basketball. If that is the case then I am at the very least your equal. That being said, statistics can be shaped and molded to fit either side of a viewpoint. For you to tell someone their comments are ridiculous as well as the reason Cat fans get labeled as some do is just nothing short of being judgemental and condescending. There are no stats showing fan excitement for the program or the lack thereof and game attendance doesn’t apply. Show the stats when we became yesterday’s news nationally and no longer considered a threat to win a championship. Show the stats or census of the number of Kentucky fans who could watch the games and tell if we had a legitimate shot of winning some games in the tournament. Under Coach Tubby, whom I absolutely think the world of as a gentleman, you could take one look at the brackets and know which team(s) played the kind of ball with a player or two who could and would exploit our glaring weakness(es) resulting in the all-too-familiar loss stat. In summation, statistics do not account for everything when we talk about Kentucky basketball. Also, making condescending judgemental statements toward another Big Blue brother or sister whom you know NOTHING about based upon a paragraph of their thoughts is major league BS bush leagues. I could be like you and ask if your claim to fame was being the grade school statistician but I won’t.












