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The Big Blue Daily Mail -- News for Kentucky Wildcat fans, May 15th 2009

A new kerfuffle has developed in the strange Rick Pitino extortion case, and it revolves around a photograph taken at the federal courthouse the other day where some of the supporters of Karen Sypher were picketing.  The picture, which you can see here at Kentucky Sports Radio along with Matt Jones' comments on the issue apparently cropped out the young man in the white shirt and tie to the right holding the sign asking the question,"What's the price of an abortion?"

There have been tons of rumor and innuendo, even a few Bleacher Report articles (which were subsequently removed) claiming to know all sorts of tawdry and sordid details about the case, every one of them involving some sort of impropriety by Coach Pitino.  But what is remarkable, and I think Matt Jones certainly gets this right, is the reluctance of the local media to report anything about Karen Sypher's side of the story.

The following are the facts that we know:

  • Karen Sypher was married to one of the members of Rick Pitino's staff.
  • Karen Sypher is accused by a federal grand jury of attempting to extort money from Rick Pitino.  It appears that some other people may have tried to assist in that attempt, or were somehow involved in the process.
  • Karen Sypher tried to tell her story to at least one television station, but the station refused to air her allegations citing a lack of ability to verify her claims.

That's really about all we know. So that leads me to suggest three possibilities:

  • Karen Syhper has nothing but a concocted story that is essentially just a lie made up out of whole cloth;
  • Karen Sypher actually has some kind of damaging revelation about Pitino.  Who knows how damaging, but something she thinks is significant.
  • Karen Sypher is mentally ill, or so emotionally disturbed that she cannot tell truth from fiction.

Here is my analysis of the situation.  Your mileage may vary, and I could be profoundly wrong about any or all of them, but here goes.

Star-divide

Based on what I know of Karen Sypher, she does not seem to be mentally ill.  She may be emotionally troubled, but her actions have not suggested some kind of pathological mental condition.  She appears to know that her actions in this case are at least questionable.

Karen Sypher does not strike me as the kind of person who is either smart enough to concoct a story out of whole cloth that she could hope to successfully use in an extortion attempt, nor stupid enough to believe she could.  With that said, it is not out of the question that she is simply a money-grubbing bimbo who fabricated a complete lie in order to extort money from a wealthy man.  If so, she wouldn't be the first nor, unfortunately, the last.

That leaves the second possibility.  Assuming she is not making it all up, Sypher either has, or believes she has, damaging information about Rick Pitino's behavior.  Most of us assume it is some kind of sexual impropriety, and that has been the nature of the allegations as characterized by Fox 41 in Louisville after Sypher tried to get them to publish her tale.  Whatever it is, Sypher clearly believes, rightly or wrongly, that Pitino did something that had a very negative impact on her life and deserves some kind of compensation, to the extent that she was willing to allegedly commit a crime to get it.

What does that have to do with the sign the young man is holding in the cropped photo?  Well, that young man is apparently Sypher's son.  Does that mean that the harm Sypher believes was done to her has something to do with an abortion?  We can only guess at this point, but the young man's participation would lead one to believe that he thinks his mother was mistreated somehow.  But even if it does, it is far from certain that any Sypher revelation would be as damaging to Pitino's reputation as she (and perhaps even he) thinks.  What is clear is that the news media are very reluctant to publish Sypher's story, and the reason for the unanimity of that reluctance is unclear.  Undoubtedly, fear of some kind of lawsuit is one driving factor, but that does not explain the Courier-Journal's failure to display the whole picture including her son and his sign.  While I respect the right of the Courier-Journal to make editorial decisions about the newsworthiness of that part of the photo, it does make one wonder, when taken together with the unanimous lack of media curiosity about Sypher's side of the story, exactly what is going on in local newsrooms.

Matt rightly points out that Chuck Hayes was accused of a sexual assault by a young woman with no more proof that Sypher has of her story, and that wound up all over the media.  Is Sypher less credible, or Pitino more vulnerable?  I wouldn't think either one, but we can only guess.  Since there is a criminal case in the offing, this silence cannot hold forever.  Assuming the case actually goes to trial, there will be testimony and leaks.  Of course, we will likely never hear about the story in testimony, since is is irrelevant to whether or not she attempted to extort Pitino.  But it will likely come out anyway either before or after the trial.

In my opinion, it is very possible that Rick Pitino was involved in some sort of unsavory business with this woman the details of which are likely to be embarrassing to him, his family and to Sypher herself.  Conversely, it is also possible that she is simply a blackmailing gold-digger and her story nothing more than a canard concocted from the bitter depths of an emotionally troubled soul. 

I am beginning to wonder, though, if Pitino has some mechanism of exerting influence on the local media to keep that allegation quiet, because it seems to me that almost any newsroom would be more curious than what we have seen so far from the media Kentucky.  That lack of curiosity doesn't make much sense to me because this is a potentially huge story both in Louisville and nationally.  Were there witnesses to this so-far-undisclosed act or acts?  Who were they?  Why does Sypher's story seem too incredible to print?  If Sypher is incredible, that is a story in itself, wouldn't you think?  What does her son know?  What does Rick Pitino know about her accusations?  Is he willing to tell us that they are all lies, assuming Fox 41 is willing to detail them to him?

But so far, we are left to speculate among ourselves about what Sypher is alleging as the motivation behind her extortion attempt, for which she is now on trial in federal court.  But from the local media, nothing but crickets, solidarity ... and cropped photos.

To quote the song, "I get these ... suspicions."  And now, for the rest of the news.

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UK Basketball News

  • A John Wall decision could come as early as this weekend, according to Andy Katz.
  • Dan Shanoff of the Sporting News says Wall should go to Kentucky.
  • Did you know that John Calipari is considered by some as the reason the Memphis Grizzlies have ... ahem ... sucked?
  • Florida waves goodbye to John Wall.
  • Scout joins Rivals in selecting UK's recruiting class as #1.
  • Coach Calipari will be attending the Dicke V. Gala.  Via the Big Blue Booyah.  Also, Jerry Tipton blogs that Calipari will speak to an audience of Human Resource specialists at the Kentucky Society for Human Resource Management.
  • Calipari promoting UK nin new ways.  He doesn't care for, "the rapping and dancing and all that."  Works for me.  And Coach Cal is the national leader for Twitter use among coaches, much as our former coach was a texting junkie.  Beware, Coach, the NABC is plotting to nix your tweets!

UK Football News

  • Moncell Allen is once again academically eligible.  Great news for him and the football team.

Other UK Sports News

  • Wildcat softball drops opener to BYU in the NCAA tournament.

NCAA Sports News

  • Steve Spurrier a pot-stirrer?  Who knew?  And Lane Kiffin right there with him, and Richt and Meyer.  Heck you have to go all the way down to #5 to find a non-SEC coach.
  • Waymon Tisdale passes away.  All too young.

Other News of Interest

  • Rick Pitino makes the FBI top ten stories of the week.
  • NBA combine invites.

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Great summation and analysis

I keep going back to this — If Sypher really wanted to get her story out, all she would have to do is call a press conference.

The whole world would show up. But she’s either being counseled to not open herself up in that manner, or she chooses not to.

by Ken Howlett on May 15, 2009 7:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Preemptive Strike

A preemptive strike is an action which is designed to neutralize a potential threat, or to gain a distinct advantage against an enemy.

Appears that Pitino received excellent legal and PR advice as his preemptive legal action essentially neutralized his accuser rendering not only her but those with the power to investigate powerless, or at least perceived so.

"The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground." --Thomas Jefferson

by Wild Weasel on May 15, 2009 7:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree WW

I don’t know a lot about the legal system but I would assume at this point she has been advised to not comment during a Federal investigation.

On another note, I cannot believe that this story is rated as one of the “top ten” FBI read stories. Surely not the most important in our Nation when the FBI supposedly is highly involved in anti-terroism activity. I just found it strange to say the least.

by kykat51 on May 15, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Barnhart More Popular ...

… yet…

"The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground." --Thomas Jefferson

by Wild Weasel on May 15, 2009 8:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I like the comment posted

below the article….Mitch you are a bum!!!! classic!!! i didn’t realize that a utility substation had to be moved to put in the new Cardinal arena. crazy!!! it probably needed updating anyway, old equipment or something.

I want to die while asleep like my grandfather,
not screaming in terror like the passengers in his car.

by bluecrip on May 15, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

just in case you forgot

i still can’t stand mitch and wish he’d, well, you know.

by hoboat33 on May 15, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i don't care for his ad skillz either

he seems a bit dodgy if you ask me.

I want to die while asleep like my grandfather,
not screaming in terror like the passengers in his car.

by bluecrip on May 15, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's see.....

in basketball he let BCG go (easy decision), then courted Billy Donovan while “the committee” recruited Coach Cal. Dr. Todd seen as catalyst behind both moves. mitch tries to accept responsibility for all the right decision.

Historically, he loses a great baseball coach to Mississippi State and falls into a football coach when trying to get recommendations from Rich Brooks then hires him when Brooks issued the famous “Why not me?” question.

by hoboat33 on May 16, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll give him a pass on Cali

and count the Brooks hire as LUCK. the rest of his body of work….C…R…A…P!

I want to die while asleep like my grandfather,
not screaming in terror like the passengers in his car.

by bluecrip on May 16, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Barnhart

Positives:

Barnhart brought UK in line with the rest of the SEC in all sports, as far as recruiting budgets, and coaches pay. Something Newton and Ivy failed to do.

He stuck with Brooks when EVERYONE with a keypad and a forum were calling for his head.

He hired a great baseball coach in John Cohen, and did all he could to keep Cohen from returning to his alma mater. The jury is still out on Henderson, but so far, he’s proved to be an able recruiter.

Barnhart was the impetus behind making Joker “coach in waiting,” which right now, looks like a great idea. Time will tell, though.

If you care about minor sports — He hired the current softball coach, who has put together the best team in UK history.

Barnhart was the impetus (and primary fundraiser) behind the Craft Center, which is the absolute best basketball practice facility in the country.

He smartly enlisted the help and advice of Mike Pratt in the latest basketball coach search, which resulted in the hiring of Calipari.

Negatives:

He didn’t really handle the whole Tubby thing very well.

He hired Gillispie. And some people think he didn’t handle the “Gillispie affair” very well, but I am NOT one of them.

Most of the vitriol for Barnhart comes from the old school UK folks, because he raised ticket prices, and got rid of some athletic department personnel who had been with the university for many years.

I don’t really care if people like Barnhart or not … he’s not perfect, but he’s the best AD UK has had in 40 years.

by Ken Howlett on May 16, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gotta agree with Ken

on all points. Best AD UK has had since I’ve been old enough to follow UK athletics.

by Ontherocks on May 16, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Barnhart has been willing to do something that

no one else was….he has tried to make EVERY sport one that matters. Now, I will be the first one to stand up and say he has stubbed ALL of his toes when it comes to the basketball program, and that is what draws the most attention. He has done a lot of good thing for a lot of the other sports. And speaking as one of the people with a keypad and a forum, I screamed as loud as anyone for Brooks’ head on a platter. He had the patience that myself and a lot of others did not. I was extremely upset at the way the Tubby situation was handled, but all in all I have to give the man credit ofr a very good “overall” job. And he will get some of the credit for Calipari as well. All in all, I would have to say no less than B+ or A- and you could make an argument for the clear A.

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on May 16, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Warning ABC

proceed with caution…LOL

Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on May 16, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm a little different in that...

I never wanted Brooks’s head on a platter.

I want to die while asleep like my grandfather,
not screaming in terror like the passengers in his car.

by bluecrip on May 17, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Barnhart is a business manager

His training and experience has been as a manager of a multi-faceted sports business. His predecessors came out of the good old boy basketball network at UK. Obviously, he has made mistakes, but his management of the total program has been far better than that of any previous AD. Could we do even better than Mitch? Probably.

by Fortunatus on May 16, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Demoss

He also hired Demoss which I think was a great hire. It’s too bad she didnt want to stay though.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on May 16, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Forgot about that

That was a great hire!

The jury is still out on Mitchell, but he has a very strong recruiting class coming in.

by Ken Howlett on May 18, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's good he has people like you backing him

If not, he would be in a position to do nothing. Hmmmm. – I might like that.

I’ll take a mild exception to your last “Positive” – The hiring of Pratt wasn’t exactly a mitch brainstorm.

by hoboat33 on May 16, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought it was smart to enlist the help of someone who knows ...

… what it takes to succeed at UK.

He may have ended up hiring Cal anyway, but the gesture here is what was important, at least to me anyway.

by Ken Howlett on May 18, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

UK Softball Stays Alive

Cats eliminate Golden Griffins of Canisius for first-ever NCAA softball win; shutout by freshman Rachel Riley.

"The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground." --Thomas Jefferson

by Wild Weasel on May 15, 2009 8:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Softball

Good luck to them against BYU in the next game.

by kykat51 on May 15, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cats Move On 4-2

UK came from a 2-0 deficit with 2 runs in 4th, 1 in 5th, 1 in 7th to defeat BYU 4-2. Cats play host Buckeyes tomorrow and must win twice.

UK 4-9-0
BYU 2-4-1

Chanda Bell – WP (complete game)

"The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground." --Thomas Jefferson

by Wild Weasel on May 15, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Warning on Big Blue Booyah link...

Thanks for the links Tru, except one, lol….I must also comment you on your post today. Your post has excellent views on the whole situation. That my friend, is all I am going to comment about this whole thing.

I have to point out the Big Blue Booyah link scared the daylights out of me. I had to immediately transfer that image to the same file as Bruce Pearl shirtless and rapping. I hope I see neither again.
:-)

Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on May 15, 2009 8:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The CJ & Others May be Trying

to corroborate her story. We don’t know whether they are or not. We know that at least 2 news organizations have listened to her story. Generally, in the news business, before you go to press with accusations against a person, you get need one or two independent sources to support the accusations. Or you need some documentary evidence. A paper trail.

I am sure the TV stataion and CJ reporters (along with the FBI agents) asked Karen for the names of people who could back up her story.

If the Courier-Journal could document a story that destroys the career of its iconic hometown basketball coach, the paper wins a Pulitzer. And some other journalistic awards as well. So there is incentive for the paper and its reporters to try to prove her allegations.

It is possible that Pitino did what she alleged but that there is no way to prove it. No living or cooperative witnesses, no records.

It is also conceivable that the CJ cut the abortion sign out of the photo because her original allegations did not include an abortion.

This is a weird situation.

by Fortunatus on May 15, 2009 8:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

They may be trying ....

… that is true. I don’t know, it just seems suspicious that virtually nobody is willing to go out on a limb. Perhaps they haven’t managed to fully develop it yet.

This is surely a potential Pulitzer Prize story, so that’s why I am suspicious at the unanimity of silence. As you say, though, it could be that it is merely a work in progress.

The cropping of the photo makes no sense, no matter what the allegations were. But the rest of your argument is certainly plausible.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on May 16, 2009 6:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If there was an abortion...

There’d be medical records that she could supply. Then the only question becomes “Who was the father?”

I would think that would be corroboration. /shrug

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on May 16, 2009 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's also how amazing the media in Louisville

is heavily under Tom Jurich’s thumb.

If Jurich told the CJ and others to not publish Ms. Sypher’s side of things, I don’t think they would.

The Courier is Gannet controlled drivel anyway.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on May 16, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget all those black helicopters he has under his command, as well.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on May 16, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

? I don't get it.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on May 16, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not black helicopters but he spiked the drinking water......

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on May 16, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't get the criticisms of local media on this

Matt Jones makes a parallel to the Chuck Hayes incident, which is a flawed comparison:

There was an allegation made by Hayes’ accuser to the police. A report was made. An investigation followed. The media had a story with actual facts to report:
fact: there is a report
fact: these are the allegations in the report

In the Pitino/Sypher case, there is no formal allegations made to the police. no report that outlines the allegations, and no investigations currently underway. What is there to report? The CJ is reporting on all official actions being taken, including all court appearances and press statements.

It isn’t about covering for anyone or protecting anyone. Its about having actual facts to report and in this case, the only facts are regarding the FBI investigation into extortion. Sypher’s claims have never been entered into any official record and reporting them as you would allegations made to the police is dangerous ground to tread. At least to me these are very different cases.

by Ontherocks on May 15, 2009 8:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I feel i should clarify

In the Pitino case, there are 2 issues to report on
Her allegations
His extortion allegations

The CJ is reporting his story because he actually made a criminal complaint to the FBI, and as such there is a paper trail to follow and report. She never made a criminal complaint against Pitino, choosing instead to attempt to blackmail him. I’m not sure I’m making an eloquent argument except in my head :)

by Ontherocks on May 15, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you make sense and

have the idea correct.

that is why you rarely get the “full” story from a news agency. only that which can be shown on paper will be discussed.

I want to die while asleep like my grandfather,
not screaming in terror like the passengers in his car.

by bluecrip on May 15, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

right

I think if Sypher had gone to the police initially and made some kind of complaint and an investigation ensued, then this would be a whole different saga playing out. For one, had this happened, Pitino would have had no grounds for calling the FBI and alleging extortion and he would simply be the subject of some type of investigation which no doubt the media would be all over.

by Ontherocks on May 16, 2009 7:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The way I see it ...

… there is a compelling story as to why she would make the attempted extortion. A crime without clear motive is a huge, gaping hole, and while it’s facile just to assume she is a gold-digger making everything up, at the very least, that deserves investigation.

If there was some kind of medical procedure, there are bound to be records which could be released by Sypher to corroborate that, if such a thing forms part of her allegations. There had to be some witnesses somewhere to something. Perhaps, as Fortunatus said above, the media are still developing that side of the story. But in a competitive news world, my feeling is that we should have heard something by now — either that she is making it all up, or that there is some “there” there.

Your point about Hayes is true with respect to the police complaint, but the two are similar in that both situations are merely a he-said, she-said. The media could have waited for corroboration or verification before making the allegations against Hayes public, but they didn’t, whereas in the Pitino case, they did. Both situations could potentially have a similar effect on a public figure (though Hayes is probably only a limited public figure), if true. So there is a comparison both in the level of available evidence and the potential consequences. That’s Matt’s point, and I think it is sound.

The thing that gets me is that this is such a huge story, you would have expected something to surface by now as to her motivation. The fact that it has not is suspicious to me, even though I freely admit, it may mean nothing at all except that they simply can’t corroborate enough of her story to justify a report. In other words, perception may not be reality.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on May 16, 2009 6:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Spin 101

degrade a woman

She is a Nut or a Slut.Give Pitino credit for having media slant.Bravo Pitinos ; )

by -Zoso- on May 15, 2009 10:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

it's his version of a "real life"

AND ONE!!!

I want to die while asleep like my grandfather,
not screaming in terror like the passengers in his car.

by bluecrip on May 15, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that florida lamentation

had me laugh out loud when i read that donnyboyo had to get his mentor spitino to call calisthenics in an effort to persuade him to please go home!!! don’t leave mama billy all alone in gainseville!!!! boo hooo…don’t do this to him nicky, he needs you. poor sap. kid probably figures he can get plenty of man-love in greece if he had to. at least he’d get paid for it instead of doing it for free, or sorta free….or something.

I want to die while asleep like my grandfather,
not screaming in terror like the passengers in his car.

by bluecrip on May 15, 2009 10:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Shame on you.

Four days after taking the high ground and restating the policy against rumor mongering, you’ve led off doing the same against your own advice. It appears that you can dump and dump as long as you briefly comment something to the affect of ‘…of course, I could be wrong…’ or ‘…she may in fact be crazy…’ It’s as if you think this gives your literary license to go as far as you want on the other side.

I thought Ontherocks and Fortunatus has given some great counter points. Let me offer a just a few:

1. You give just three bullet points on the facts that we know. We also know that Sypher has not brought any charges either to the authorities or through the legal system. In fact, the day after Pitino publicly commented, her lawyer said that they would not bring suit to Pitino.

2. She doesn’t ‘appear to be mentally ill’? Really? I know you think highly of yourself but to make this claim from afar without a medical degree is going too far for even you. Of course, I could be wrong….maybe your are a pyschiatrist that has her as a patient…but I doubt it.

3. ‘Pitino has some sort of mechanism to assert influence over the local media’. Good grief. This statement is so outrageous that it doesn’t even require comment.

In short, you are demonstrating why extortion is so dangerous and carries such a high penalty. One can send their kid out on the streets with a sign with whatever they want to write. People like you, chose to take it and run with all sort of wild inuendo. I guessing if the sign had something about the grassy knoll, you would have written your article questioning the blaming of Oswald.

…I could go on, but I’d rather go back and read Matt Jones site for fresh information….just as you do. So much for originality of thought.

So welcome to the world of a normal, typical blogger. It’s unfortunate, you are now no better than the others.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on May 16, 2009 8:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I Beg To Differ

The alleged behavior(s) by P were known to most close to UK basketball in the 1990’s also.

Nothing new for P in terms of allegations. Only difference is this time, it got into the judicial system.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 16, 2009 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please.

I’ve heard it all before. Yea, I get it….you’re an insider who has connections and knows more than anyone else. Yawn.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on May 16, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"...known to most close to UK basketball "

I can read.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on May 16, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then Comprehend It

Anyone who FOLLOWED UK basketball closely heard the rumors in the 1990’s.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 16, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well that's different then.

It’s best to write what you mean. That way I can better follow your thoughts.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on May 16, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

U R Louisville Fan

Anything more than Now I Know My ABC’s (song) is beyond your comprehension level.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 16, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ROFL

A little on the harsh side… but amusing nonetheless.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on May 16, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

...and yet I don't find it necessary to type...'Knock it off, Pal'

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on May 16, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey Tru

is this what you mean by not being nice/respectful to Louisville fans? Just wanted some clarification …

by shavit on May 16, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heh ...

… well, that was a pretty mild jibe. Making a little joke is not the same thing as calling someone stupid, or whatever. It’s often a fine line between humor and an attack.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on May 16, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What 40 was saying (my interpretation)

Was that there have been allegations of sexual impropriety surrounding Pitino for the last 20 years. Seriously… who here hasn’t heard a rumor of Pitino and UK cheerleaders or that his mysterious “back problem” from a couple years ago was actually a secondary syphillis infection? Those rumors have been in the general public for years. You don’t have to be an insider to have heard that.

What the Sypher case brings to the table is a new allegation of sexual impropriety that has made its way into the legal system. The reason it has such staying power is because it plays on the old rumors that we’ve all heard before.

Someone could start a rumor about me that I beat my girlfriend and no one would believe it. If however, I had a history of getting in fights in public or being an obnoxious boor everywhere I go… that rumor would gain ground even if it wasn’t true.

A more recent example is the frequent allegations that Coach Gillispie was out on the town drinking and carousing non-stop. Nevermind that not one single cell phone camera ever seems to have caught him skinny dipping with waitresses at a hotel pool or staggering down Man O’ War Blvd, the fact that he had a previous record of an arrest for DUI was all the proof many people needed.

That’s what is happening to coach Pitino. This may very well all be a fabrication, but it has the sound of old familiar rumors that make the general public unwilling to drop the issue.

I think you are being unduly harsh to Tru in this instance. The lack of anything from the media out of Louisville and Lexington is deafening in its silence. These are the same media that crucified our last governor for sending emails that said “He’s a good R.” This is the same news media that chased Billy Gillispie down a hallway. If there’s one thing our state media has never been, its reluctant to chase a story no matter how thin. Tru’s commentary was fair and I think some questions should be asked about the way the story is being covered.

Your mileage may vary.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on May 16, 2009 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

This P rumor made it into the courts.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 16, 2009 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You don't get it do you?

That’s why extortion is so sinister. It made it in the courts because the feds are going after Sypher. It doesn’t have anything to do with Pitino. I gotta believe you are smarter than this.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on May 16, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No.

I think I will defend somone who is unduly attacked.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on May 16, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But it's ok to question coach Cal...

… even though he had NEVER broken any rules..???

There’s something going on here HozeQueen, not saying it’s all Rick’s fought, but the water is dirty and little Rick has been swimming in it…

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on May 16, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And if this was Calipari, or Billy G, or Tubby

You’d be all over it. That is called hypocrisy.

Envy our past......Fear our future

by btcoop71 on May 16, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never wrote about the Gillipies' rumors.

That’s called consistency. Or fairness. It’s really not all that hard to do what’s right.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on May 16, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You've weighed in quite a bit

about Calipari’s recruiting violation rumors, if I recall correctly..

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on May 16, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yet you write about the Cal "rumors"...

How is that different then the Pitino rumors…?

Oh, I see how, You’re a Loserville fan, so it’s ok to post

You have to ask yourself..

…

why would UK open the program up to curiosity and scrutiny with this hire?

but a Pintino rumor…OH GAWD NO…. NEVER…

What a joke

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on May 16, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There are no rumors in my comments at all.

Only opinions and fact. That is way, way different and you know it.

You know, Hoze, I am beginning to become very annoyed with you. You are way too smart to construe my post as a rumor, yet you do so anyway. That tells me that the purpose of your comment is not honorable, and that you are trying to smear me.

I think maybe it’s time you and this blog parted ways. All of my points were opinions, which you are free to rebut, but you are not allowed to characterize my opinions, however uninformed you may believe them to be, as rumors. So may I respectfully suggest you take your attacks elsewhere, and quickly.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on May 16, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What took you so long..?
I think maybe it’s time you and this blog parted ways.

Ya’ think..? lol

Good lord, how obtuse does one have to be before you say enough is enough…?
And honestly, it would appear that you have become his favorite target Tru…

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on May 16, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, don't forget me!

He loves targeting me as well, I’ve come to notice.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on May 16, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Give me a break. Get off your high horse.

Is there no room to disagree with you? Gawd forbid!!! I guess it is too tough for you to be called out when you go against your own rules. Sure it’s up to you if you want to kick me out. If you and your minions find it more fun to toast each other with your own bath water thinking it is Moet, have fun with it. It will make your blog all the less interesting.

Lastly, I get smacked around all the time….I just don’t chose to characterize them as smears. Feel free to compliment me on taking it without serving up threats.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on May 16, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hoze,

We don’t sit around here patting each other on the back. We engage in heated discussions all the time. Speaking only for myself, I’ve been involved in heated discussions with daniel81 over John Wall’s recruitment and with Forty over Gillispie-bashing all in the last two weeks.

What we don’t do, however, is call into question each other’s motives and ethics. Our discussions are in no way a hug-fest—we fight, we tussle, we disagree. For the most part, however, we don’t TRY to provoke each other, and we don’t personally attack each other.

You’ve been doing a lot of that lately.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on May 16, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you for the support.

That’s what this is all about. As far as me doing this a lot lately, you must have the same access of that scoreboard that my wife references all the time.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on May 16, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if you need support

go check your wife’s lingerie drawer, not a UK blog

I want to die while asleep like my grandfather,
not screaming in terror like the passengers in his car.

by bluecrip on May 16, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait a minute ...

… I never objected to you disagreeing. I objected to the obvious mischaractarization of my post as a “rumor.”

Quit changing the subject, and feel free to apologize for your transparent attempt to raise a strawman, as well as the unfair attacks on my comments.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on May 16, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry if you're offended but I calls 'em as I sees 'em.

I don’t agree with your characterization or claiming the information as a fact. Sorry I don’t and if you care to read on, others agree with me. As long as you freely give advice to me on how I can improve my behavior and be a better blogger, let me offer this one piece of advice to you. Open your mind to a little criticism. Don’t get all defensive. You may learn something and become a better writer. Just maybe.

My comments were not designed to attack you. It was meant to defend Pitino. If you want to take it as an attack, I am sorry for that, but it’s up to you.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on May 16, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are not defending Pitino.

You have mischaracterized my post and continue to change the subject of that. I am fine with legitimate criticism, not the nonsense you are spouting. If you want to defend Pitino, defend him with facts. I don’t object to disagreement, but I do strenuously object to your claims that I am being unfair to Pitino. You don’t have to agree with what I said. I’m sure many don’t and they are welcome to that. But you have gone much further than disagreement and you damn well know it.

You aren’t impressing anyone with your pathetic attempts to change the subject, and failure to address my comments.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on May 16, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd guess I would defend them with facts but I honestly don't know facts from rumors right now.

And I am not changing the subject. I don’t even know what that means. And I will continue to stenuously defend Pitino unless of course, you decide ‘we need to depart ways’ and take the easy way out.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on May 16, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here is the thing.

You may not defend Pitino by vilifying me on my own blog. That’s just rude, and I am fed up with it. If that’s what it takes for you to defend Pitino, then there is no reason for you to be here.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on May 16, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am finished with this subject then.

I have made my points pretty clearly and interestingly, some have agreed with at least some of my postions. I still write that I have not vilified you…that wasn’t my purpose. Sure I thought a little criticism was in order. Sorry if you have decided to take it that way.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on May 16, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You absolutely did.

And you know it.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on May 16, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay....if it makes you feel better then....sorry.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on May 16, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It always makes me feel better ...

… when someone’s apology comes with qualifications designed to make them look like the victim.

>:-|

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on May 16, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay...sorry. I STILL hope it makes you feel better.

Because if you feel better, I feel better. That’s just the kind of guy I am. A giver.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on May 16, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Rick Pitino should be arrested...

…for wearing that God-awful white suite..!

What was he thinking.???

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on May 16, 2009 9:48 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i think the white suit had to do with some charity...

like when the coaches wear basketball shoes and then auction them off for the coaches for cancer.

as i recall, he changed at halftime—-

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on May 16, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He wore the white suit as part of a "white out" not a charity

He later said in an interview that he changed at halftime because he had mistakenly wore colored underwear and when he started sweating during the game, you could see the underwear through the pants. He changed to the black suit at halftime so you couldn’t see his unmentionables. LOL.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on May 18, 2009 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's my mileage.

1. There’s been rumors about aliens in Area 51 for years, too. I chose not to believe in extra-terrestrials as most enducated, sane people do.

2. Funny how Tru slaps down all the rumored drinking by Gillispie but choses to write a treatise about ’Pitino’s sexual issues’. Hardly balanced. Hardly consistent. Hardly fair.

3. Yea, right…..ALL the national media is in cahoots with Pitino. Of course, all powerful Rick may have exerted pressure on the whole lot of them….he must be exhausted.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on May 16, 2009 9:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Why can't you ...

… deal with the fact that it has been reported that the conduct alleged by Syper in connection with Pitino was sexual in nature? That (the nature of the allegation) is a fact, reported by Fox 41. Whether or not it is accurate is addressed in my comments, and I acknowledge that she may have made it up out of whole cloth. But I personally do not believe it any longer. My comments were balanced in the sense that I offered all possibilities up, but I am beginning to suspect there is some fire there. The actions of the Courier-Journal in this case are at least suspicious.

It may be inconvenient for you to admit that Sypher may have facts that will implicate Pitino in some kind of bad behavior, but it is a reality that she just might. Apparently, she either cannot or will not support her allegations to news outlets, but that does not mean they are false. My feeling is, by reading the available information, that she was unlikely to have attempted this unless she really believed she had something. That’s my take, and you are free to take another position.

What you may not do is characterize my considered opinion as a rumor. And it is not beyond possibility that the media are more inclined to give Pitino a pass for any number of reasons. I think it’s time for the woman to be heard, and to either defend or not her complaints against Pitino, and for Pitino to clear the air for his own good. The longer this goes on, the worse it will be for Pitino when her allegations come to light, whether or not they are true.

For the record, I pray that Sypher is merely a gold-digger making stuff up out of whole cloth. I don’t want to take a negative opinion of Pitino’s behavior, but the actions of the media are making me very suspicious, justified or not.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on May 16, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We don't know if the 'fact' was one of a sexual nature with Pitino, do we?

The only ‘fact’ I have seen reported is it was about family. Your definition of fact is a little lose.

As I said before, your comments may have been balanced in a CYOA sort of way….it wasn’t balanced in words & details….that is a fact.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on May 16, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We know that it is a fact ...

… That the allegation was of some sort of sexually-related impropriety, as reported by Fox 41. Whether or not her allegation is a fact is another matter. If you haven’t seen the Fox 41 report, do a Google search. It is out there.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on May 16, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

#2 Same Point

There have been G rumors everywhere he coached. Only the 2 DUI charges made the legal system. They got traction as a result of that.

Same with P rumors. This one has traction because it made the judicial system.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 16, 2009 11:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hellooooooo?????

It’s not the same point:

There were charges brought against Gillispie. There are ZERO charges brought against Pitino.

Again, Tru kept the rumor mongering away from Gillispie and rightly so. Too bad he doesn’t keep the same standard with Pitino. Even worse, he is loudly banging the drums in the front of the parade. Sad.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on May 16, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It Is The Same Point

The P rumors finally made their way to judicial system.

The G rumors made the judicial system when the alleged DUI incidents occurred.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 16, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ding-ding-ding......

We have a winner.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on May 16, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There have been ...

… allegations of sexual impropriety against Pitino by Sypher. That is a fact, and you know it. Their veracity remains to be tested, but the fact of the allegations is not a rumor.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on May 16, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please enlighten me.

How is this classified as a fact? Has it come from her? Has it come from the FBI? Has her lawyer mentioned it? Again, link me into this well of knowledge.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on May 16, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The fact ...

… is that she has alleged impropriety of a sexual nature. That was in the Fox 41 report, which is cited in this Baltimore Sun article. I can’t seem to find the original report, but I recall it distinctly as a quote by one of the people involved with the interview she did.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on May 16, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay, I will admit that I am wearing this subject out, but...
Sources close to the situation have told FoxSports.com that Sypher has tried to extort millions of dollars from Pitino with threats of charges of sexual misconduct.

Are you really hanging your ‘evidence’ on an article from Baltimore that doesn’t even have an author credited? So we have sources, then FoxSports, then the Baltimore Sun, then you. Isn’t that information that has been handed down through 3 or 4 levels ultimately relying on an un-named source? This is credible? For this, we can call it a fact? I think not.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on May 16, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm with Hoze on this, sadly.

Any allegations about SEXUAL impropriety is rumor at this point. In fact, all the allegations that she has are rumors right now. The only reason we think it was sexually related is because of a cropped photo in the CJ, and other rumor-mongering going on.

Fact: she has allegations to make that no one will air, and even her own attorney won’t let her spew them.
Fact: they aren’t even allegations until they are public.

by Ontherocks on May 16, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Welcome aboard, Ontherocks.

Prepare thyself for the slings and arrows of being called one that smears and attacks. I admire your ‘courage’ to stand up for what is right and accurate.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on May 16, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't like

the insinuation that Pitino has sway over the media. I don’t have a tinfoil hat big enough to believe garbage like that. In a dying print media world, no one and I mean NO ONE would pass up a chance to print anything they could reasonably get some corroboration on. I thought Matt Jones was ridiculous for making that claim, and was further shocked to see Tru espouse that opinion.

If I can be accused of anything, it is of being a Pitino apologist, but I’m really trying to make a distinction between a criminal complaint that outlines allegations and Sypher’s attempt to extort. They are different beasts, and IMO being reported on fairly and accurately to date.

by Ontherocks on May 16, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hoze.

You are really pushing my buttons.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on May 16, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No.

You are wrong. Fox reported the allegations as being of a sexual nature. See the link above.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on May 16, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tru -

Fox reported the allegations are sexual in nature -

Fox and allegations in the same sentence are not fact – in my book.

HozeKing – i would change your avatar – you have stated you are both a UL and UK fan – hard to buy it with a cardinal in plain view. that being said, i do see your point….

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on May 16, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well ...

… We all have our biases and preferences about news sources, but the report quoted a person who had heard her. I don’t think that leaves much room for spin.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on May 17, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes

i reread your comments and corrected myself below…..

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on May 17, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But the reason for all the rumors

is that no one has heard Syphers story,or at least released it.This is what happens.The media NOT reporting the allegation makes it more sensational than it actually is.The cropping of the photo just adds more fuel to the fire.Is it to much to ask “what” she is accused of extorting over?

by -Zoso- on May 16, 2009 12:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well the news channel for one, did ask her.

And according to them the story was too outlandish to report. Again, this is why extortion is so terrible. People remain curious whether or not the story has legitimacy or not. I think it is true, in an information vacuum, people assume the worse….especially when they hope so much the worse is true.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on May 16, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And it's more than be 'accused'....

She has be indicted by a grand jury for extortion and lying. And yet, people are curious to hear her story. Sad.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on May 16, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Innocent until proven guilty.

The idictment says nothing to the truthfulness or untruthfulness of Pitino’s complaints and her as-yet-untold story.

Federal indictments are VERY easy to get. The evidentiary threshold is extremely low.

Being indicted is very little more than being accused, if anything more.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on May 16, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's all the man-love for Spitino

that has everyone curious what some lady, crazy or not, has to say bad about him. most folks have nothing better to do than speculate about other folks’s misery and on the flip side there are those who have nothing better to do than defend someone they have no clue about.

man-love. give it up.

I want to die while asleep like my grandfather,
not screaming in terror like the passengers in his car.

by bluecrip on May 16, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

She has not ...

… been indicted for lying. She has been indicted for attempting to extort money. That indictment would be just as valid even if she could prove Pitino committed a serious crime, which neither she nor anyone else has alleged.

The crime is the threat. Whether the underlying behavior is true, false, criminal or not is utterly irrelevant.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on May 16, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really? Not indicted for lying?

Difficult to follow everything in Chicago, but here is my source:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=4161358

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on May 16, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Point taken.

I read a report which didn’t include that, but corrected it below.

In her defense, it is almost impossible to avoid a charge of lying to an FBI agent in an investigation like this. She still may very well have done it.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on May 16, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even if all the allegations ...

… contained in the indictment are 100% true, which are federal extortion and lying to a federal agent, that does not make her allegations against Rick Pitino false.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on May 16, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I get it.

She only lies to the FBI, but all her other allegations (or from your view, facts) are positively true. Sure. Right.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on May 16, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hoze!

I never said they were true! To the contrary, I have said that she has not supported them. But I am suspicious that there may be truth there. Stop mischaracterizing my comments or by God, I will ban you.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on May 16, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm going to add this!

Nothing displays the truth better than"The Facts" A few facts by anyone in the know might settle this situation!

Happy Days are here again The sky is all ways BLUE again Happy days are here again !

by oldcat70 on May 16, 2009 12:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The grand jury heard the facts and it resulted in her indictment of extortion and lying.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on May 16, 2009 12:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Everyone knows

That if a grand jury indicts, you’r guilty.

by Pap Cat on May 16, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

....and if the press choses not to report, there is 'something going on'....

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on May 16, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The grand jury ...

… heard facts relating to her attempt to extort Pitno and evidence that she lied to a federal agent.

They have heard nothing about her allegations with respect to Pitino. They are irrelevant. The crime is the attempted extortion. The alleged conduct underlying the attempt with respect to the victim are irrelevant.

Why don’t you learn something about the criminal process before offering an opinion that suggests Sypher’s allegations were tested by a grand jury? Would that be too much to ask?

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on May 16, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well her lawyer has decided not to test her veracity against Pitino in a court of law. Charges have not been filed.

Is that an acceptable answer to you in regards to my knowing a legal process?

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on May 16, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is true ...

… and utterly irrelevant. I am not at all convinced that Rick Pitino committed a crime. In fact, I am convinced he did not commit a crime.

But that doesn’t mean he didn’t do anything wrong.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on May 16, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We Interrupt The Soap Opera ...

… for this very important UK message:

Cats baseball still alive for SEC tourney thanks to wall-climbing catch!

"The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground." --Thomas Jefferson

by Wild Weasel on May 16, 2009 12:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Another "Wall" story!

Happy Days are here again The sky is all ways BLUE again Happy days are here again !

by oldcat70 on May 16, 2009 12:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice, OC70.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on May 16, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pitino vs Sypher

Extortion???? She is out of bounds————the WHOLE thing a SOAP OPERA….. You know I worked for 41 years, so I never got into soap operas. Now that I finally made it to retirement——-it’s the last thing to be interested in. These 2 are adults and I really don’t give a rat what they do behind closed doors. Their spouses can deal with that, in court, if necessary Just because Pitino is news worthy—-doesn’t mean I am interested in his private life!!! When it comes to Pitino——-all I care about is Beat the Cardinals or any team he may be coaching!!!!!

by kentuckystrong on May 16, 2009 3:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Amen

Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on May 16, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I read the whole thing ...

And here’s my two cents:

Tru – i too was a bit surprised to see you post this article after you “reminder to all members” article the other day. In any case, i hope you follow through on that threat to make the topic off limits since it has apparently become somewhat of a distraction. Oh, and i thought i’d add, my above post was a joke (i know, i shouldn’t have made it), and Hozeking has been pretty out of line on most of the things he said. That being said, telling him to leave is a bit much. He’s a bit heated here, and he certainly does disagree, but he’s not being anymore abusive, mean, or distracting than anyone else here …

Hozeking – let it go. It’s really not worth it. You made some fair points, and expressed your displeasure … just let it go.

by shavit on May 16, 2009 4:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i thought i'd add ...

if anyone doesn’t care about my two cents … great, don’t respond. i’m not looking for a fight.

by shavit on May 16, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i agree with you

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on May 16, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I appreciate it.

I really do. Thanks for being the first one to at least defend my ‘rights’ to offer a contrary point, and to even (Gawd forbid) throw some criticism Tru’s way.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on May 16, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would appreciate it ...

… If you would stop describing my comments as rumors. In fact, I insist.

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by Truzenzuzex on May 16, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Show me ...

… one rumor in my post. Any one will do.

I don’t mind disagreement, but really. The reason I am angry with Hoze is not his disagreement, which you would know if you bothered to read my comments. He mischaracterized my comments as passing rumors, and there are no rumors there. Every single one of the items I discussed are public record.

You may disagree all you want, and I don’t mind. But I will not have my words twisted and ignored, or mischaracterized. It makes me very angry, and it would make you angry if it happened to you.

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by Truzenzuzex on May 16, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see no rumors

But I for another, could care less was Rick Pitino does, other than watch him hang his head when KY beats U of L…Period
:-)

Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on May 16, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

typo,

was = what

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by a2d2 on May 16, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm surprised by this ...

If you had read my comment, i never said that what you posted here were rumors, only that i was surprised to see it. I read your previous post (the reminder to all members) broadly as an indication that you didn’t want to see speculation, analysis, rumors, whatever … about the subject matter. I figured you said it because none of us actually has any clue what’s going on, and won’t until the parties involved tell us. A sign next to the court house doesn’t change that. Thus, while i didn’t have a problem with you post, i was surprised by it.

That being said, you really need to lighten up. I spoke up because you threatened to kick someone off, and i thought that was a bit harsh. Sure, it’s your blog, and if you think Hozeking is that annoying, block him. fine, whatever. but the tone in your last few posts has been a bit over the top.

as for this:
“You may disagree all you want, and I don’t mind. But I will not have my words twisted and ignored, or mischaracterized. It makes me very angry, and it would make you angry if it happened to you.”

Sure, it makes me angry every time Forty twists my words or mischaracterizes them. In fact, it makes me angry when you do it to (see above paragraph where i explain that i didn’t say anything in your article was a rumor). Here’s something to think about though … if i responded with the same attitude you did today, i’d get chastised and thrown off.

Oh, and i’ll go ahead and add … if this post pisses you off, go ahead and ban me. I don’t have time to fight about this petty nonsense. I came to the sight today to relax and talk about basketball …

by shavit on May 16, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well ...

… my post the other day was not to discourage rational thought or analysis of the facts, but the passing of rumors and making absurd claims that are not remotely supportable by facts. I have re-read my comments in that FanPost, and there is no way one could rationally characterize it the way you have. I will quote the relevant passage below:

Also, I highly recommend avoiding rumor-mongering. This Pitino thing is ripe for that, and I have seen at least one Fanpost dedicated to rumors there. I think we should have more respect for our former coach than to do this, and I strongly discourage passing rumors about him. If it becomes a distraction, I will place this topic off limits, so please use good judgment on all subjects, but particularly on this one.

My reference to distraction was that of rumor-mongering, and as I strenuously pointed out above, there are no rumors in my comments. Period. The end.

Moving along. I respect that you may think me heavy-handed, but please understand that is part and parcel of how I work. I fully admit that the way I run my blog is not for everybody, and I won’t “lighten up” when someone accuses me falsely. I have a real problem with that, if my self-defense troubles you, I can only say that it isn’t meant to. I would note, not that it matters, that I did not kick him off when he stopped doing what I found offensive. I threaten to kick people off all the time, and most of the time, I am forced to follow through. I don’t have to tolerate a deliberate mischaracterization of my work, and I reserve the right to take any action I deem necessary to defend both my reputation and my my blog. What I am saying is, you’ll just have to take me as I am, and I make no apology for that.

I understand where you are coming from with respect to Forty, but I frankly think your comments are misplaced. You may object all you want to Forty if he mischaracterizes your comments. It is a fact, though, that you could not respond like I did. You simply don’t have the weapons to do so. Sorry, but again, that’s the way it is. Hoze and I have a long history to which you are simply not privy, and that’s fine, you don’t need to be.

Your comment does not “piss me off,” at all, you have been most rational. But I must tell you, I don’t need your permission to ban you or anyone else when I deem it appropriate and necessary. And as far as talking about basketball, please note there is another post above which has nothing at all to do with this, and many fanposts. You chose to bring this disagreement, not I.

Just so we have that straight. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on May 16, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I, of all people, am good with that.

As I sit here with a chance to think more rationally (and what fan doesn’t have spurts of emotion?), I’ll suggest that our disagreement was one of semantics. After re-reading your thoughts, your definition of facts seem to be based on points referenced by sources. For example, if Channel 41 reports that the allegations were X, then this is presented as a fact.

I, on the other hand, consider that facts are only facts if proven. From Wikipedia: Facts may refer to: fact, an incontrovertible truth.

Am I close to getting this right?

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on May 16, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You just referenced wikipedia to prove a fact?

Im not disagreeing with you I just find Wicki “an encyclopedia anyone can add to or change” to be nothing at all worth referencing, especially for a definition.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on May 16, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

likewise, i find referencing fox for facts as the same

tru states as fact an allegation reported by fox41 – if they reported the allegation, that can be fact – but the allegation cannot be fact……….

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on May 16, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

reread tru's comment as well

Fox characterizes it as sexual in nature based on conversations with Sypher…

surely even a fox affliate can get that right….

time to move on – anyone know anything about some kid named Wall out of Raleigh???

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on May 16, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

fact? NO

Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on May 16, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

blogs

say KY and Miami short list. I found that

Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on May 16, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Everyone but US believes

that he is a done deal for here…..I for one am too scared to think about it…lol…I want to say something to trash one of you guys…..lol…..I wanna pick a fight with someone…..anyone know where I can find a Louisville fan???…..I wanna fight about Joe Hall and Denny Crum……something of some substance…..PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on May 16, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We know

you want to argue…..you want a link? lol

Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on May 16, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I could have done the same with Webster. Not a lot of difference on the definition.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on May 16, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I got an earful for making a Bush joke!!!

C’mon Hoze….you know you aren’t going to see daylight on this when you go out of your way to antagonize the guy that runs the blog…..maybe she ’s nuts,,,,maybe Pitino is a sleaze…..no one is going to know the truth, because if she is telling the truth she probably cant prove it, and if he is, he will still carry the stigma of this becoming public. Let it go…..this subject is a no win for anyone…..especially those who are actually involved…

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on May 16, 2009 8:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Why would a woman think

she could blackmail an officially married coach?

If she has credible evidence that he
1. Has committed a crime
2. Violated NCAA recruiting rules

Apparently, she doesn’t have it. So that leaves “sexual misconduct.” If it is true that there have been rumors about Rick for 20 or more years, and if he has been aware of those rumors, he is not going to be inclined to pay out money to stop rumors or allegations. He doesn’t need to pay this woman to keep her story from his wife or his children. If her story is as unsupportable as it appears to be at this point, why would he care if she broadcast it to the whole world?

The really interesting question here is why did Rick go to the FBI? Why didn’t he just blow this woman off (so to speak)? Ignore her? If he has been as socially active as some would suggest, surely he has had overtures about compensation previously.

Is she such a treat to society that she needs the attention of the federal government — the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the United States Department of Justice and the United States District Court for Western Kentucky?

Is her prosecution a part of the stimulus package?

by Fortunatus on May 16, 2009 9:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

She was such a 'treat' to society?

I suspect you meant, threat. Maybe not though. :)

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on May 16, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am calling Coach Cal

to complain……he OBVIOUSLY has not done enough, recruited enough players, or tried hard enough to impress this bunch, so we are gonna fight about the buy who isnt here anymore…for crying out loud…..let it be for the love of the Almighty….is this what we have become….one day with no news and we go off the deep end

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on May 16, 2009 11:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

FBI top 10 List

How about the Weather———Spring has sprung—-Dogwood winter is over——-Blackberries are blooming-so blackbberry winter has arrived and soon to pass. Life is GREAT on the home front!!!!! Why are we hashing the SOAPS?? I am looking everywhere I go to update my UK wardrobe (I have sweatshirts, teeshirts, tennis shoes, jewlery, handbags that are 30+yrs old. I keep all of it—-even with holes. But a NEW time has arrived and I’ve got
more important things to do—than listen to the SOAPS!!!!!!!!

by kentuckystrong on May 17, 2009 7:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great Idea,

Blueberry winter is the last. Great. I too, am ready for total summer. We all could use some new UK “stuff”. I never get rid of anything UK either. Finally my kids found out to make Mom happy, buy her more UK stuff. LOL….I am not complaining there. I think they finally figured out a big smile was better than, “you should have bought yourself something, instead of buying for me” , haha.

Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on May 17, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I must really have big blue on the brain,

“blue” berry. Obviously I meant blackberry. I just noticed this….now everybody laugh….haha

Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on May 17, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whew

I am so thankful to see this thread end at peace. Amen.

by kykat51 on May 17, 2009 3:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Heh.

:-)

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by Truzenzuzex on May 17, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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