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Well, there goes that domino.

Anyone surprised? I'm betting not.

Discuss below.

UPDATE: Hmm. Apparently, this report was premature (subscription required to read the whole thing).

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Not surprised at all......

….. but it still sucks and I was hoping it wouldn’t happen.

Let’s hope Cousins can get qualified and Pilgrim is as good as advertised. We’re gonna need them both to contribute immediately from day 1.

GBB!!!

by OGETARTS on Apr 8, 2009 1:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That sucks a fat one

Envy our past......Fear our future

by btcoop71 on Apr 8, 2009 1:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

if this is all about playing time

then orton is being foolish. He is the only true center on the current roster, and he compliments patterson much better than cousins. From what i know about him, Cousins is much more of a 3/4 hybrid than a 4/5. Orton is a straight 5, and patterson is a straight 4.

At the same time, he’s a great kid and has had a difficult year, so I’ll be cheering for him no matter where he goes…unless he’s playing uk

by idigl7220 on Apr 8, 2009 1:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i agree

plus – having not played for a year, i bet it takes him a while to get his edge back.

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on Apr 8, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Orton is not a "true" center.

He is better facing the basket and further out on the floor. His game is more short to midrange jumpers and moving to the basket off the dribble. He can also shoot the three and lead the break, which impressed me most about him. He could really handle the ball well in traffic for a big man.

by jbt36 on Apr 8, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does this mean

a scholarship is available for Walls?

by hoboat33 on Apr 8, 2009 1:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

KSR reporting that

Nolan Dennis has asked out of his LOI with Memphis, and likes UK.

http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=8&c=1&nid=3175013

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on Apr 8, 2009 1:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Anybody...

getting a headache, LOL.

by the spork on Apr 8, 2009 1:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah. I'm tempted

to turn off my computer for one month then come back and a see what happens.

by Oakie.myers on Apr 8, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its...

been a bumpy 24 hours thats for sure.

by the spork on Apr 8, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah.

I almost just want to completley ignore all news, rumors, and reports, and check back in mid-June for the final tally.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on Apr 8, 2009 1:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That....

….my dear, is excellent advice. : )

by BigSkyCat on Apr 8, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As...

if any of us could actually do that. We, or atleast I, would have to check into rehab.

by the spork on Apr 8, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I'm just about as likely to give up smoking in that span as I am to pull myself away from all the

“breaking news.”

Both are bad habits.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on Apr 8, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can live with this

I’m just glad that the quality of players involved in our current discussion, whether coming or going is about five times better than what we’ve been used to over the past ten years.

by chicagoblues on Apr 8, 2009 1:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

True

Its not such a bad problem to hae when one of the top prospects in the country wants out because hes worried there might be a better freshman at his position on the team.

by uk52 on Apr 8, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes -

its nice to be competing with unc, duke and kansas for players we all actually want…….

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on Apr 8, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We Rarely Did That In The 1990's

And when we did, usually Duke, UNC, or Kansas won out.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 8, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And The 21st Century ...

… how has UK competed with the bigger boys?

by Wild Weasel on Apr 8, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Much Better Than The 90's

Marvin Stone picked UK over UNC in 1999.

Keith Bogans picked UK over ACC schools like UNC and Duke among others in 1999.

Jason Parker picked UK over UNC in 2000.

Chuck Hayes picked UK over Kansas in 2001.

Kelenna Azuibuike (2002) and Shagari Alleyne (2003) picked UK over UNC (among several others).

Randolph Morris (2004) picked UK over North Carolina among others.

Jared Carter (2005) picked UK over North Carolina among others.

Patrick Patterson (2007) picked UK over Duke among others.

Jon Hood (2009) picked UK over Duke among others.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 8, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Music to my ears

I hate to quibble but if memory serves me correct Parker picked UNC but there was an academic issue and he was released. Then Sandy Bell reviewed the transcripts and found that he was actually eligible thus he went to UK. Do I remember that correctly?

Slower Traffic Keep Right!

by SevenRings on Apr 8, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You Do

Parker took some AP courses in HS that would get “extra credit” per NCAA rules.

UNC botched those calculations. Parker was actually eligible to attend and play for UNC coming out of HS in 1999 if the Tar Heels did the calcs the right (NCAA) way.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 8, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What ever happened to him?

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Apr 8, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good Catch

Beat me to it, SevenRings. Indeed, UK was bridesmaid to Heels for Parker. Just looking over that list — and assuming it is accurate — I bet those schools are elated that they lost the recruiting contests, such as they were, to UK. How on earth UNC survived without Marvin Stone, Shagari Alleyne, Randolph Morris and, most amazing, the highly productive Jared Carter, is truly astonishing.

by Wild Weasel on Apr 8, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Morris

was a good player.

The Heels would have loved to have him.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Apr 8, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Morris' Only Drawback

Is who signed him at UK.

Except for that, Morris would be regarded as a solid All-SEC (junior year) player who made the NBA.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 8, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

That and his lack of expression.

I still love that photo shopped Arby’s pic.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Apr 8, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That Comment Deserves Another (Few)

First, it is accurate. Check Rivals or any other source you prefer.

Second, Bogans – Stone – Hayes – Azubuike – Morris – Patterson. Why wouldn’t UNC or Duke have been please to land any of those recruits?

Third, Jared Carter “camped” at Roy Williams’ summer camps. Williams sincerely wanted him, both at Kansas AND North Carolina. Carter would have been much better developed by Roy W than Billy G. Even Calipari has made favorable remarks about how surprisingly good Carter is (based on practices).

Parker chose UNC over UK in 1999 but UK landed him over UNC in 2000. Once UNC learned they had erred in calculating his eligibility, they wanted him badly.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 8, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And The Coach You Love To Hate

Landed Royce White this year over schools like UNC and Kansas. Plus Devoe Joseph over Kansas last year, too.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 8, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Isn't is kind of ironic

that Tubby’s downfall at UK the last couple of years was his recruiting. But in his first 2 years at MN, he has put together 2 very solid classes.

by MinnesotaCatFan on Apr 9, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Problem with the 90's??

Maybe UK didn’t compete with UNC,Duke,ect. when it came to recruiting (your words not mine since I think UK did pretty well duing that decade in the recruiting dept.) but the success of the program during that time (2 NC’s,1 Runner-up, 4 FF’s) says UK competed very well in the most important area and that is winning. Seems like you don’t want to give a certain former UK coach credit where credit is due.

by maysvilleblue on Apr 8, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Have NO Problem With 90's Recruiting

But UK rarely beat out UNC, Duke, or Kansas for the 90’s recruits.

UK recruiting in the 90’s was superb. But Duke, KU, and UNC got the recruits they wanted.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 8, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So that must mean...

that certain former coach did more with less making his time here look even better : )

by maysvilleblue on Apr 9, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

My point is simply this. UK signed plenty of talent in the 1990’s. Most of those recruits were not heavily sought by UNC, Duke, Kansas, etc.

When UK competed with those 3 schools, the recruit usually went to one of those 3 instead of UK.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 10, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also, its good not to forget

That he also has not totally ruled out Kentucky, just that he would be listening to all offers. I do hope we end up with him in the end. I have really been looking forward to this kid.

by uk52 on Apr 8, 2009 1:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

apparently this is false, kentucky ink is reporting that they spoke to ortons father he said he had not de-committed

by jacobk on Apr 8, 2009 2:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Maggard is reporting the same

Says he spoke with Larry Orton and he denied it.

by Oakie.myers on Apr 8, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Again, this is why I need to stop hitting refresh so often, and just bide my time until everything is said and done, which

isn’t for awhle.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on Apr 8, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well not totally true.

From truebluekentucky, “EDIT: Marc Maggard has just informed me he called Larry Orton, and Orton said not to believe anything until it comes from him. I suppose we should just wait a little longer for official word one way or the other.”

Doesn’t deny it, just won’t confirm.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on Apr 8, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is scheduled to play in Louisville this weekend.

Do you think he wants to head to UK country just a few days after de-committing? I sure wouldn’t want to subject my 18-year-old to that. If he does de-commit, it won’t be official until after the Derby Classic.

by jbt36 on Apr 8, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone heard anything else on John Wall?

Is it between UK and Duke? I just haven’t heard anything lately. When do they have to decide?

by ukcory on Apr 8, 2009 2:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

UNC...

supposedly hot on his trail now.

by the spork on Apr 8, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes

but his AAU coach is dead-set against UNC so i think that is unlikely

by schizm42 on Apr 8, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nolan Dennis

As others have said, he is has asked out of LOI at Memphis and his mom says she thinks he likes UK. This guy sort of flies under the radar when you hear the names of Cousins, Henry and Wall but Dennis is for real. He is a Top 50 recruit. At 6’5" 185 pounds he can slash, shoot and will only get stronger. He could be a huge plus for UK because of the guys mentioned, he is more than likely at least a 3 year player. Keep your eye on this guy.

Slower Traffic Keep Right!

by SevenRings on Apr 8, 2009 2:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Can't...

wait to see him play this weekend.

by the spork on Apr 8, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree.

I like all these top 5 guys we’re looking at, but in order to build a consistent team there have to be some glue players that stick around at least 2 or 3 years. Dennis could be that type of player.

Scout says he is weak from 3, but they said that about Jodie when he was being recruited, correct?

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on Apr 8, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lots on info

but seems it changes hour by hour
lets wait and see who signs on the dotted line than we can figure out who starts,who plays where :)

Patterson
Orton
harris
meeks
wall

lets see if that starting team could win a few games :)

by UKCATZFAN on Apr 8, 2009 2:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Miller...

over Harris, atleast I hope so.

by the spork on Apr 8, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think I might swtich Miller for Harris. . .

and IF Orton stays with UK, I would still expect to see Cousins start over him.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on Apr 8, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Both could flourish

in Cals system – I think … also Orton coming off knee surgery is a concern …. would think it would be better for him to work his way in slowly like 18 minutes – and when Cousins departs – he would be the cornerstone.

by ukcris on Apr 8, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was just about to say

what about Cousins and Miller? I think Miller is a better fit for this offense than Harris. I can’t wait to see him in this offense because he knows how to get the ball in the paint.

by ukcory on Apr 8, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm excited about Cousins...

I live in Alabama and have seen him play a couple of times. He reminds me a lot of Patterson because he can run the floor and pass VERY well. It should be fun watching Cousins and Patterson down low if thats how it works out.

by ukcory on Apr 8, 2009 2:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good gosh, these "scenarios" could go on forever then.

Thats almost as bad as having to wait until the next tipoff! How am I going to make it?

by ukcory on Apr 8, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Flux, Fluid, Unstable, Tumultuous

Changeful, turbid, cloudy, opaque. Go ahead pick a word and it will fit with the current UK roster/recruiting environment. My solution: relax and let Calipari work his magic.

by Wild Weasel on Apr 8, 2009 2:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Folks we are now on the never ending

carousel that is a coaching change. We will be hearing this stuff until every recruit is signed and cleared and passes his first semester’s classes. Any way you look at it we are right now better than we have been in 5 years. Think about it…..worst case scenario…..we get a new point guard ( even if its Bledsoe, he’s the #67 player in the nation), we get some MASSIVE help down inside……we get a coach that can handle whatever comes up, and we are PROBABLY going to get Meeks and Patterson back….(I just cant see them doing that well in the draft yet). This team will be the Beast in the East once again….and I dont see the SEC West producing much next year.

Remember, were having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 8, 2009 2:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

DraftExpress 2009

Patterson #24 by Kings from Rockets in first round (ahead of Hansbrough BTW); Meeks #9 by Pistons from Raptors in second round (#39 overall).

by Wild Weasel on Apr 8, 2009 3:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If that's anywhere near accurate.....

I can’t imagine that they both would NOT be back. Imagine what either of them could do when not double and triple teamed!!

by CSCat on Apr 8, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who runs Draftexpress anyway??

I just dont see Patterson 1st round…..AHEAD of Hansborough….seems like a stretch to me….I know Patterson would have a better upside at some point….but now? The Meeks draft I can see, but I dont see him taking a second round slot. Just cant believe they wouldnt both be lottery picks after another year, allowing for the other players that potentially come out.

Remember, were having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 8, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Most people aren't high on Hansborough as a pro

Look at Kevin Love. Everyone loved his “motor” and his work ethic… and now he struggles for 9 points per game.

Hansborough is a great college player, but does not translate well to the next level. Patterson would definitely go in front of him.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Apr 8, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, all the mock drafts I have seen have

Patterson ahead of Hansborough. Patterson tends to fall anywhere from low 20s to low teens (I think 13 is the highest I’ve seen him) and Hansborough is usually very close to the end of the first round.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on Apr 8, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably...but I'm hard pressed to come up with reasons.

I can only think of one real area where one outplays the other…that is consistent in your face 12 foot shooting. Hansborough wins hands down. Maybe Patterson can do it, but Hansborough has proven he can.

I think they are equal in almost every other category. Both are tough, strong, good citizens (I think), smart (I think), average to good jumping (maybe Patterson is better slightly), both can run the floor, both play good defense.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Apr 8, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey Hoze

Welcome back! We were worried a bit. Hope all is well in your world.

by kykat51 on Apr 8, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unfortuneately a long international trip...really long.

But I still found time to watch the Cards lose on my Sling Box…I figured their guard play would catch up to them. I still say one of Pitino’s greatest coaching accomplishments were getting those four guards playing as well as they possibly could, though.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Apr 8, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brough

Could make some good money in europe. He reminds me of quite a few scrappy euro players not quite good enough to make it in the league.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Apr 8, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

me too

don’t think his “flop” will be nearly as effective …. bloody nose will be a plus though

by ukcris on Apr 8, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He'll get destroyed in the pros

Garnett would eat his lunch. Chuck Hayes will have him seeing stars. Ming would laugh at him. He could probably try to guard Noah for a while. Prince would steal the ball and dunk on him. The list is endless. He does have a great work ethic.

by bluecrip on Apr 8, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Were we not saying the same about David Lee when he played at Florida?

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Apr 8, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Potential

The draft is about potential and Pat has far more room for his game to grow than Hansb. Tyler is as good as he will ever be at his size. If Meeks were to leave this year he could very well be a second rounder. I think it would be less likely if he were to stay another season. Only first rounders are guarenteed a contract.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Apr 8, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Meeks

Mock draft are worthless especially involving trades but Meeks to the Pistons would rock. They dont really need him though. They are stocked at both backcourt positions and he would likely not find much pt ahead of Rip or Afflalo. I think Meeks would bring more offense than Afflalo but Afflalo is by far the better defender and the Pistons really prize defense.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Apr 8, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Larry Orton denies

release request on front page of KSR

http://kentucky.scout.com/

by rmbell3 on Apr 8, 2009 4:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Of course he's going to deny it.

He doesn’t want his son boo’ed or worse this weekend.

by jbt36 on Apr 8, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Scout

is reporting that Dennis Nolan is asking out of LOI at Memphis.His mother believes he wants to sign with UK : )

by -Zoso- on Apr 8, 2009 7:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Story

Here’s the story straight from Larry Vaught who has a good relationship with Larry Orton. I heard him being interviewed by Dick Gabriel on the way home.

Days after G was fired Larry Orton called UK but Mitch wouldnt return his call so he spoke to Sandy Bell. The Orton’s asked to be let out of the LOI at that time. Since Mitch was unavailable and UK had not yet hired Cal Bell asked the Ortons to be patient and wait until they spoke with the new coach before requesting a release and if they still didnt want to come at that time UK would release him. So the Ortons waited. According to Larry Orton they havent said another word about it and only learned about the Cousins commit last night. When Vaught spoke to Mr. Orton Mr. Orton was unaware that Daniel had spoken to Evans. Larry Orton called Daniel then called Vaught back after speaking to his son. Larry said that Evans didnt get it straight from Daniel what happened and that they still were committed but wanted to talk to Cal more and find out how he plans to use both players. So thats the story. No decommit and Orton is still playing this weekend.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Apr 8, 2009 7:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Just speculation on my part

But with Porter gone and Vilarno out,something tells me we have a stud point guard waiting.

by -Zoso- on Apr 8, 2009 9:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

that is what i am trying to believe as well

Wall would be a HOME RUN…..

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on Apr 8, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Wall to UK

makes the most sense … I don’t see him going to a team without a supporting cast … ie Baylor, NC State, maybe Duke as well …. his NBA stock is already quite high – he would everthing to lose and nothing to gain by going to a school that he could not do well with in the national spotlight

by ukcris on Apr 8, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mother's Illness

She’s seriously ill and that might keep him close to home, i.e. in NC.

by Wild Weasel on Apr 8, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

absent his mother's illness

i would already think he would have comitted to UK – that is wild card…..

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on Apr 8, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Red Shirts

Anyone know the rule governing the number of red shirts a D1 team can have at a time?

by Bank$hot on Apr 9, 2009 11:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No Limit

I don’t think there’s a limit. But 8 would be the most.

There are 13 scholarships and you need 5 players.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 9, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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