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UK Basketball: The Forgotten Duo

With what seems like the entire Big Blue Nation salivating over the possibility of UK signing uber-talented point guard prospect John Wall, Kentucky fans have relegated two current 'Cats to "back-burner" status.  Point guards DeAndre Liggins and Kevin Galloway, once the center of Kentucky fans future-talk, have all but been forgotten when evaluating the possibilities of the 2009-2010 Wildcats.

The excitement generated by the potential inking of a top-5 recruit is certainly understandable.  But, if the highly touted Wall decides to cast his lot with Duke, Florida, or North Carolina, this fan believes that in '09, Kentucky's point-guard position will still be manned by exceptional talent.

Star-divide

The reasoning behind my positive point guard outlook (regardless of Wall's decision) is three-fold:

1.  UK's coaching change -- One of the maddening aspects of Billy Gillispie's tenure at Kentucky was his predilection of playing his players wildly varying minutes from game to game.  Liggins and Galloway both suffered through this characteristic of Gillispie's coaching. 

Example: Liggins -- 8, 16, DNP, 23, 12, 23, 34, 16, 19, 7, 9, 25, 8, 29, 3, 1, DNP, 1, DNP, 10, 12, 3 -- These numbers represent Liggins' playing time from the U of L game, until the end of the season.  Galloway's minutes from the same time-frame -- 4, DNP, 10,10, 3, 1, DNP, 6, 2, 25, 3, 30, 6, DNP, 20, 18, 20, 8, 13, 12, 6, 19.

Whether the reason for the uneven playing time was because the player was yanked for missing a defensive assignment, taking a bad shot, making an inadvisable pass, or practicing poorly, the negative effect created by not knowing whether, or how much playing time one is going to receive from game-to-game, can play havoc with a player's psyche.  It also reduces the chances that the player is going to play "free."  In other words, playing tight, or afraid to make a mistake, is not conducive to a player performing at peak capacity.

One of the positives that have come out of John Calipari's early practice sessions have been that the players have been told to play through their mistakes.  If Calipari continues to coach with that attitude, I believe we will see a more reasonable representation of Liggin's and Galloway's talents. 

2.  The system -- Calipari's Dribble-Drive Motion Offense is tailor-made for UK's two returning point guards: Both players are excellent ball-handlers, proficient penetrators, as well as good distributors of the basketball.

Physically, they both possess the size (Liggins - 6'6", Galloway - 6'7") and talents needed to become good-to-great points within the DDMO system.  One only needs to take a look at the two guards respective assist to turnover ratio from last season -- Liggins recorded 92 assists to 74 turnovers (1.24 A/TO), Galloway dished out 51 assists to 40 turnovers (1.37 A/TO).

Not bad numbers when one considers that the players were performing in a system designed to FORCE the ball into the post, regardless of how many enemy jersey's were surrounding Patrick Patterson.  Conversely, in the DDMO, Liggins and Galloway will be driving, and either dishing to an open teammate on the perimeter, or taking the ball to the rim.  With a third option of passing to a post player who will be positioned on the weak-side.

As I noted, many of Liggins' and Galloway's turnovers last year were due to them forcing the ball into traffic -- Next year in the DDMO, the floor will be spread, resulting in their teammates being covered one-on-one a much higher percentage of the time.  That fact should result in an even better A/TO ratio for the two points, which in turn will give UK fans a much more pleasurable viewing experience.

While neither player is a high-percentage three-point threat (Liggins was 12-51, and Galloway missed all four of his trey attempts), Liggins did make five of is last 11 attempts (45.5%).  But, in the DDMO it is not incumbent for the point to take a lot of threes.  The point, though, must finish around the basket, and both players did an acceptable job in that area -- Liggins made 44.7% of his two-point attempts, Galloway 48.9%.  

Last year, many of their two-point attempts were taken in traffic, but in '09 they will be taking their man one-on-one on a spread floor, which should increase their respective two-point percentages.  And if the post defender collapses off his man, the easy pass will be available to the big man.

3.  A years experience -- As pointed out above, both players' weakness last season was their proclivity to force the pass into traffic, or to over-penetrate, i.e. their decision-making was not always competent.  They at times played as if they thought they were still playing low-level competition. 

But, as with nearly every freshman and junior college transfer, there exists a growth arc.  Some players adjust to the level of competition more quickly than others, and in the case of UK's two returning points (and despite their up-and-down playing time), they both performed better late in the season, than they did early on -- In his last 56 minutes of action (over the course of seven games) Liggins recorded 10 assists to only five turnovers, and in Galloways final 37 minutes of action he dished-out 11 assists.

What we need to remember as a fan base is that college basketball followers have become spoiled in many ways by the phenom: Carmelo Anthony, Kevin Durant, Derrick Rose and a few others have tilted the scale of anticipation for freshman to a great degree.  What fans need to remember is players of that ilk are the exception, not the rule.  And comparing Liggins' game to the absolute upper-crust, elite of college basketball, is simply unfair to the young man.  After-all, there was a time not so long ago, when a freshman (especially a point guard) receiving serious playing time was a major development. 

Finally, whether the uneasiness apparent in Liggins' relationship with Gillispie last season was the fault of the player or the coach is irrelevant at this point, but my bet is that Liggins blossoms under Calipari and his system (for reasons stated above).  If not, Kevin Galloway will be provided the opportunity to prove his worth by leading what should be an immensely improved Wildcat squad.  

So, if John Wall opts for another shade of blue, or decides to partly-plug the sieve that is the Florida roster, rest easy Nation; the UK point guard position will be manned by two players capable of taking Kentucky back to it's rightful spot among the college basketball elite.

Heart Walk

The Central Kentucky Heart Walk and Tailgate Party will take place Saturday, April 25th at Commonwealth Stadium.  Registration for the event will take place at 9:00 am, with the walk following at 10:00 am.

Mike Pratt has set-up a #34 Mike Casey Memorial Team.  To donate, or find more information, follow this link.

Happy Birthday

I want to wish a happy birthday to my brother Chris, and his daughter Chloe!!  Chloe is celebrating her Sweet Sixteen, so motorists in and around Lexington -- You have been warned.

Thanks for reading, and Go 'Cats!

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Good read as usual

I do worry about there decision making though. Some lead guards have a natural ability to see the floor and the open man and others don’t. I should get some good info on what is going on with Florida tonight.

by Grasslands1 on Apr 24, 2009 7:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Liggins' problems did not stem from his playing "tight."

They stemmed from his playing stupid.

Maybe Calipari’s DDMO helps a player play smart, but in the case of Liggins, I’m not holding my breath.

Nor do I buy the “I was confused about my minutes argument.” Anyone who says, “I didn’t play well because I didn’t know how many minutes I was going to play from game to game” is somebody not ready for the SEC. Kids face that uncertainty from their first day of Little League. The notion that a D-1 athlete should be incapable of dealing with that is not credible.

I hold open the possibility that BCG did not hold the keys to Liggins’ brain, and that Calipari might be able to coach DeAndre along where BCG could not. Cal told DeAndre that if he listened to the staff and did what they asked, then next year’s fans “wouldn’t recognize” him. That implies that Calipari saw from DeAndre the same things most of the rest of us did — things we hope we don’t recognize in his play next year.

But I hold out hope as long as Coach Cal does, and wish DeAndre God speed in his maturation.

by Ken Pomeroy on Apr 25, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re:Ken P

Never heard of rhythm or flow, or knowing your role? Your first paragraph is laughable.

Yes, Liggins played “stupid” at times last year, as did every other player wearing a UK uniform. I just have a little more tact, and use the phrase “decision-making.”

He was a freshman, don’t forget that. Oh, wait, that doesn’t mean anything either …

by Ken Howlett on Apr 26, 2009 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also Ken, I would

not be suprised to see Miller at some lead guard if we do not sign another one. What is your opinion on that?

by Grasslands1 on Apr 24, 2009 7:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Ken

I have been feeling the same way about Liggins/Galloway. I just hope Liggins has kept to his studies with all the team turmoil. I am not worried about Wall. If he does great, if not, we will be fine.

by kykat51 on Apr 24, 2009 8:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

Even if no one else signs and if Pat and Meeks return we will have the potential to be a solid team. Liggins and Galloway may make huge strides under Cal’s system. I’m excited to see what they will do. Of course if Wall decides UK is the place to be, I’m OK with that too. Even if Pat leaves (I hate to see that) you have to be comfortable with our depth on the inside even if it is somewhat inexperienced. If Meeks does not return that will hurt more.

by cthom on Apr 24, 2009 8:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good writeup Ken

I agree with your thoughts on this subject and the basketball will be in good hands next season regardless of whether Wall is on the team or not.

I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra

by JLeverenz on Apr 24, 2009 9:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks JLev

I’m not sure if its good, or bad that we agree with one another on this issue :)

by Ken Howlett on Apr 24, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, given that I was wrong concerning just about everything last season....

But then maybe my luck is due for a turnaround?

I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra

by JLeverenz on Apr 25, 2009 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

re:wall

For me, though landing wall would be a coup in terms of sheer talent added, i want him more than anything to make a point to other programs that uk is back. wall means the no. 1 recruiting class in the nation, a top-five team, a series of bad-ass highlight reels for the entire year… the statement he would make for us would be more immediate than the actual impact on the court, which would be extraordinary.

so while galloway and liggins would be fine “replacements” for him, for all the reasons you mentioned, we’d be missing out on a chance to punch every other program in the stomach.

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Apr 24, 2009 9:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good points about the statement getting Wall would make ...

… and I would love to beat both Duke and Florida for him, just as G did two years ago in getting Patterson.

I do think, though, that Cal’s mere presence at UK is a clear signal to the entire nation that UK will be one of the two or three destinations of choice of the elite athletes.

Don’t get me wrong — I would love to add Wall to this collection of ‘Cats, his talent is undeniable, but if UK doesn’t bag him, I"m not going to fret too much.

by Ken Howlett on Apr 24, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

JWALL's impact on future recruits

I think if he comes it serves multiple purposes…

a) we beat out Duke and Florida (perhaps even reigning champ UNC) in a well publicized recruiting battle…

b) leads to a fantastic season with tangible results come tournament time (insert estimate of UK’s result in tournament here)

c) brings interest from future recruits (ala Derrick Rose to Tyreke Evans to John Wall) as Cal being a master of the PG/NBA style…which will lead to great recruiting hauls…as other players-wings, Power forwards and Centers love a great PG to distribute and lead…

JWALL’s decision can impact us immensely as to whether we take 3-4 years to make it back to FF or have the chance to get there next year and possibly every year thereafter…

I know this isn’t a make or break situation…just saying that it’s important…as I think Cal realizes…

my gut is telling me (other than to stop eating ice cream at 10 pm) that JWALL is coming to UK

by fincity on Apr 25, 2009 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ken,

Although Wall is a high probability of a one and done no matter where he lands. If you have the opportunity to see this guy live-he is the real deal. Wall will be an immediate high impact player.

Not only does he have the skill set but his decision making is very high as well. The only possible negative might be his 18 year old body size (very slender) which might make him a lower draft pick
in this years 2009 NBA draft-if he was permitted to be drafted out of H.S.

UK does not have a comparable point guard already on the roster. As I already wrote earlier, IMO Miller has the highest basketball I.Q. of our current rostered point guards/ point forwards.

by blue oregon on Apr 25, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My intent with this piece was not to minimize Wall in any way ...

… only to relate that I feel that if he doesn’t come, that UK has two players ready to step in and run the point competently.

As Tru often states — Your mileage may vary.

by Ken Howlett on Apr 25, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your point is well written and understood.

Although, I can appreciate the enthusiasm and athleticism of both Galloway (especially) and Liggins. I politely disagree that either Galloway or Liggins can run the point effectively.

by blue oregon on Apr 25, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crow!

I hope I am wrong, if UK is left with Galloway & Liggins to run the point for next season. If
I am wrong, it will be the best crow sandwich I will have had to eat:)

by blue oregon on Apr 25, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, we may see ... then again we may not.

I’ve had some crow myself … it tasted good, but went down hard.

by Ken Howlett on Apr 25, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

my only concern is turnovers

can he get those two to get turnovers under control….neither one was that bad on their own, but the two of them together accounted for quite a few turnovers….if he can get those two kids to improve that, then let them play….neither one has bad shot selection…and they do both hustle….if no Wall, then I guess we will find out….anything will be an improvement on turnovers from last season….how many did we end up averaging anyway?…I know it got better as the year went on, but it still wasnt good

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by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 24, 2009 9:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Turnovers

Just for you ABC, I’ve compiled some TO #‘s — UK averaged 16.9 TO’s pg last year.

Turnovers per minute played: Meeks – .078, Patterson – .057, Stevenson – .076, Harris – .083,
Miller – .088, Liggins – .136, Porter – .094, Harrellson – .083, Galloway – .133.

As I noted in my piece, I think the combination of a years experience, the DDMO, and the coaching change will be a net plus for Liggins and Galloway in all departments.

by Ken Howlett on Apr 24, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks for that Ken

I honestly didn’t know what the numbers were…..kind of makes sense that the guards averaged more than others….I guess a better stat would be asst. to turnover ratio….youre right I believe about the new system and philosophy change improving those two, but if we do get Wall do they both stay?…where did Cal say we needed to be on turnovers anyway, less than 10 per game?….I know he addressed it in one of the press conferences….

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by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 25, 2009 7:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bledsoe

I saw on KSR that we have offered Bledsoe a scholarship ….
http://blog.al.com/sentell/2009/04/vestavia_hills_jordan_swings_n.html

Does this mean if we get Bledsoe and Wall that Liggins or Galloway would be given their walking papers … or who does get asked to leave …. Harrelson? Stewart? I would think seniors to be (like Perry) would be off limits …. are they?

by ukcris on Apr 24, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't see any current roster member being "given their walking papers"

But at the same time, how the schollie situation is worked out is a mystery to me, but this type of scenario has happened before at UK and many, many other schools, and they always seem to work out.

I do think there is a real possibility that Patterson goes pro, and a current player transfers. But I have no idea who that might be.

by Ken Howlett on Apr 24, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Current scholarship rostered players.

Yesterday, LHL John Clay published the current scholarship rostered players at UK on his blog. There were 15 total. This does not count either Bledsoe or Wall.

So, if Patterson and Meeks stay, there is the possibility of 3 or 4 current scholarship players being asked to leave.

by blue oregon on Apr 25, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Big difference in a player being asked to leave, and someone leaving of their own accord,

which may be what happens.

I’m not crazy about pulling a kids schollie (even though they are one-year agreements), and hopefully it won’t come to that. There are other ways around having too many players — not enough scholarships. We may witness, first hand, Cal’s creativity:)

by Ken Howlett on Apr 25, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Will the NCAA allow

a student/athlete to switch from athletic scholarship to academic scholarship?

by blue oregon on Apr 25, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If their grades/test scores qualify.

Ravi Moss was on an academic schollie for at least three years — I THINK he was given an athletic schollie his senior year.

by Ken Howlett on Apr 25, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...Ravi being offered an athletic scholly after 3 years of an academic scholly

is a clear cut straight forward situation. However, the reverse situation athletic scholarships changed to academic scholarships would be an obvious manipulation around the 13 player limit etc…

I would think this would draw the eye of the University, other SEC schools and the NCAA.

by blue oregon on Apr 25, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Reverse Is Now Permitted

Must have 3.3 GPA though.

No Cats have it.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 25, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

Moss was academic scholarships all 4 years.

That was OK then because UK never “recruited” him.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 25, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Forty,Ken,Blue, Anybody......

is there any other scenario where we can alleviate this scholarship situation, short of having guys leave?

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by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 25, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure

Estill took financial grants as a walk-on in 2001-02 season.

Meeks has 3.0 GPA at least but needs 3.3 to get academic scholarship.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 25, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You think Jodie could take some

classes over the summer and bump his GPA up high enough that he could go on academic??….He’s just the type of kid that would try, but is it a smart thing to try to do?

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by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 25, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Need 3.3 GPA Over A Full Year

I don’t think you could take enough summer classes to do that?

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 25, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wasnt sure....its been

25 years since I was taking college credit….lol….I dont suppose any of our incoming freshmen are good enough at academics to get an academic scholarship?…or would that be some big NCAA snafu?

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by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 25, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

there are several problems though

Just to point out something obvious and stimulate discussion.

academic schollies give as much stipend as athletic schollies.
ii. All basketball players except for Miller are not in-state student, so they would have to pay more than $15k per year if they decide to pay their own way to graduation.
iii. They are most likely wanted by some other (smaller) school if they decide to leave.

These factors above makes it unlikely for anybody to opt to drop out from athletic scholly voluntarily.

The more likely scenario is where someone being told they will not see court time and is best to transfer out. I would really hate to see this happen.

by khlim2 on Apr 25, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Athletic Scholarships Cover More Costs

Academic scholarships usually cover tuition & fees, sometimes room & board.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 25, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget

Donald Williams will most likely NOT be on schollie next year, even if he stays in Lex.

by Ken Howlett on Apr 25, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that makes it 14...

so if either one Pat or Jodie goes pro would meet the limit. Now if at least one of them comes back, and Bledsoe or Wall decide to commit… this could get interesting.

by khlim2 on Apr 25, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No ...

… They won’t be asked to leave. They will be informed that their playing time will be limited, but nobody will be asked to leave. At least, that has been my understanding. If Calipari starts cutting players on scholarship, there will be problems.

Williams allegedly had on one-year deal, so he is likely to have that clause invoked — that was by his agreement. At this point, UK is likely only 1 over the limit, with the possible addition of one more.

It will work out, but nobody will be asked to leave.

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by Truzenzuzex on Apr 26, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Ken .. enjoyed your write up

I know patterson will do what’s best for him and that’s as it should be … all the same it would be awesome to have him and Jodie back with Cousins, Orton, Hood and company …. hope the Wall saga comes to an end soon – he would really be the icing on the cake …

by ukcris on Apr 24, 2009 11:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good points, all.

I agree that both Galloway and Liggins will be improved players next year and will benefit greatly from the new coach and system. However, I’m still not convinced that they are going to be sufficient at the point next year. My main concern is their lack of overall speed and quickness.

While both Galloway and Liggins have a good handle on the ball and are good passers, neither of them are quick enough to beat their man on a regular basis. They haven’t shown the ability to change directions quickly, get into the lane, and draw the defense. That’s my main concern. Furthermore, both are good passers, but neither have shown good decision-making ability. That will be a liability in the dribble-drive.

I tend to think that both players would be better suited as slashers on the wing than at the point.

If we don’t add a quick, penetrating point guard, I think we are going to have many of the same struggles next year that we had this year.

I hope:

A. I’m wrong.

and

B. We won’t have to worry about it because Wall is coming.

But if we don’t get Wall or Bledsoe, I will be pretty concerned about our point guard situation next year.

by BBallSophist on Apr 24, 2009 11:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Only one thing ...

… Galloway, while having three years of post-high school experience, has not consistently played against the level of competition he faces in the SEC.

He played one year at USC, but he didn’t play much, and the comp he faced at Southern Idaho was probably not as stiff as the competition Liggins played against while at Findlay Prep. S. Idaho regularly won their games by 30-40 points, sometimes more.

As far as Bledsoe … I broached that subject in my reply to Wild Weasel.

Once certainly cannot be faulted for having concerns about the 1 if Wall doesn’t come, but for now I’m going to believe that Cal will get the most out of both Liggins and Galloway.

by Ken Howlett on Apr 25, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Horrible decision makers

I’m in agreement with Sophist. Galloway and Liggins should be improved next year, but I absolutely would not want to hang my hat on either one of them. They should be borderline acceptable subs, but those two just don’t have good basketball IQ’s. The success of next year’s team will rest on the quality of our guard play and you’re living in a dream world if you think Liggins or Galloway will take us to the promised land.

by chicagoblues on Apr 25, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Think You'll See Different (Better) Players In Liggins And Galloway Under Calipari

The recruiting is Night And Day better. The coaching will be Night And Day better.

And the combined results will be Night And Day better, too.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 25, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They looked like

They were constantly afraid of screwing up. It was hard for them to find their groove.

by cthom on Apr 25, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only reason Galoway can't do that right now ...

… is that he is so right-handed. He has the quickness to take many players, maybe even most point guards off the bounce, but not until he develops a crossover. He doesn’t have one.

You don’t necessarily need quickness to beat a man off the dribble, but you do need a great handle with both hands and a jump shot. If you can’t shoot, you can’t beat anyone off the bounce unless you are like Rondo or Chris Paul. But players lacking blazing quickness can still do it, if they have the handle and cleverness with the basketball.

That’s the way I see it, anyway.

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by Truzenzuzex on Apr 26, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I can agree with this.

Still, I didn’t see Liggins penetrating regularly last year and he has a crossover. Like you said, if you aren’t quick and you don’t have a jump shot, then you need to be crafty with changing speeds and directions. Neither Liggins or Galloway consistently showed me that capability last year, for whatever reason(s). They need to get quicker, get a jump shot, or get craftier if they are going to be effective point guards next year.

by BBallSophist on Apr 26, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whistle In The Background

While you make some valid points, Ken, and the numbers seem a confirmation, but I kept hearing as an undertone a faint tune, a whistle perhaps, as in whistling past the graveyard. As for Liggins one shouldn’t forget that he was recruited by Calipari at Memphis so that is an added positive but the nagging doubt in my mind is, will Liggins ever have the decision making capabilities required of a PG on a national championship contender? Already we’ve heard that Calipari has alluded to those capabilities in the individual workout; add to that the offer of a scholarship to Bledsoe and it seems to me Calipari is less sure of PG potentialities than you are. As for the extra year of experience — in Galloway’s case actually 3 years — one has to contemplate the tradeoff of experience versus established counterproductive habits. I desire you to be correct in your evaluation and would like to be as confident but suspicion lingers that UK will not achieve its potential with either Liggins or Galloway at the 1.

by Wild Weasel on Apr 24, 2009 11:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bledsoe

I think the Bledsoe offer is a back-up plan if Wall doesn’t come, and even if he does, he’s a one-and-done. With Galloway being a senior, UK needs depth at the point, so I’m not sure Cal’s recruitiment of Bledsoe is a sign of him not believing in Liggins, because after next year, Liggins will be the only point on the roster, absent the inking of someone else.

by Ken Howlett on Apr 25, 2009 12:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Calipari will be going after the top point guards in nearly every class

He’ll be going after Brandon Knight and Joe Jackson, amongst others, very hard regardless of who he signs this year. Actually, I’m nearly certain he’s going after both of them pretty hard already.

Bledsoe is the back-up plan to Wall, but I think he’d take both if possible. I’m having a hard time seeing that materializing for a number of reasons, though.

By the end of the season this year on his last call-in show, Gillispie stated that he didn’t think Liggins or Galloway were right at the point. He felt they should be playing on the wings and he emphasized getting quick, penetrating guards on the roster for next year. I know his system is virtually the polar opposite of Cal’s, but it says a lot when the guy who recruited the players essentially admitted that he recruited them for the wrong position.

I think they’re good players, but I’ll be worried if they are our only options at point guard next year.

by BBallSophist on Apr 25, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Joe Jackson will be a tough get

Pastner was mentioned as being a top-flight recruiter…and one who got Xavier to sign with Memphis…Jackson has already stated (whether he changes his mind…if anything, we have already been witness to kids changing their minds…frequently) that he wants to stay close to home…my guess is he will visit UK but wind up at Memphis…Pastner will make him a top priority…

by fincity on Apr 25, 2009 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

All of those guys will be tough gets.

Pastner could definitely sign him. He’s a great recruiter, but we’ll see how he does as head coach. It’ll be an uphill climb for him with his inexperience, which will be used against him over and over on the recruiting trail. He was a major player to get Xavier to sign with memphis to play for Coach cal, but once Cal left he couldn’t get Xavier to seriously consider memphis, even though it was the one place where he was guaranteed to be able to play with his brother.

He’ll get it done, no doubt. it’s going to be interesting to see how long it’ll take for him to reel in some top flight players.

by BBallSophist on Apr 25, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't believe they will be our only options...

when all is said and done. While I am not as optimistic that Wall will be wearing our shade of blue, I do think Coach Cal will bring somebody in that will have an immediate impact. I wouldn’t count on Liggins being around next fall as there are supposed to be some classroom issues. While he is not as spectacular, I think Galloway is the more solid player.

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by jbt36 on Apr 25, 2009 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Liggins

Who knows what will happen with his eligibility, but I’m working under the assumption that they will get him eligible for ’09.

by Ken Howlett on Apr 25, 2009 3:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can see either of those guys playing on the wing in G's system

But to play in the DDMO they must penetrate (unless they play the pivot), which they both have demonstrated they can do.

by Ken Howlett on Apr 25, 2009 3:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's true, but my point is...

that they’ll be guarded by the quickest player if they’re playing point. If they’re on the wings, they’ll be covered by a 3s and 4s who will be easier to penetrate against while the opposing point is busy covering our point guard.

by BBallSophist on Apr 25, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point BBallS.

Don’t you think that both guys are at least quick enough to successfully penetrate from the point, though?

by Ken Howlett on Apr 25, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe...

It depends on the match-up on a given night. I don’t think either of them showed a lot of quickness last year. They have good handles and they outsize most opposing point guards, but they are usually not as quick.

by BBallSophist on Apr 25, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Accidentally sent that before I was finished...

Anyway, I was going to follow that up by noting that both players will have a lot more chances to show us whether or not they can consistently penetrate successfully due to the DDM which you correctly pointed out

Still, from what we’ve seen so far, it is my opinion that they both lack the quickness and decision-making abilities necessary to be really effective point guards. Hopefully, the new coaching and system will give them ample freedom to prove me wrong.

by BBallSophist on Apr 25, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, this is true.

I only specified point guard because of the nature of the discussion.

by BBallSophist on Apr 25, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

First I've Read

Interesting hypothesis that Bledsoe is a one and done, I’ve never read or heard that previously. Actually most state that the fact he isn’t is justification for his recruitment.

by Wild Weasel on Apr 25, 2009 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jodie

Meeks shouldn’t be left out of this conversaton ,,, if he returns, and I think he will, he’s got to be the starter at the 2 – maybe he wont avg 38 min/game but he should be on the floor the lions share of the time … just a thought …

by ukcris on Apr 25, 2009 8:11 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wall or not......

I think that UK is going to provide us with some very exciting bball. We have talent already here. You all know that. It may have needed some tweaking, here and there, most players do at some point. If Coach can teach them how to keep the ball, and not turn it over so much, that in itself could result in more wins. No points off turnovers for the opponent. Then add in the DDMO and every other nice little tidbit, well, our boys are going to have fun. And we get to watch… :-)

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by a2d2 on Apr 25, 2009 10:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

FOOTBALL?

How come football isn’t dicussed on this blog? Have you given up on it being a major sport at UK?

by TheParisGuy on Apr 25, 2009 10:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Just...

still so much basketball to talk about.

Kickoff just under 3 hours away, can’t wait.

The Spork, I'm two things in one.

by the spork on Apr 25, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is the great thing about Fanposts

If you want to talk about football, you don’t have to wait for Ken or Tru to make a post about it. Make a fanpost and start a discussion yourself! It’s fun!

I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra

by JLeverenz on Apr 25, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: TheParisGuy

Good question.

I’ve probably been remiss in not posting more football related material, but I will have a spring practice wrap-up posted late Sunday night.

by Ken Howlett on Apr 25, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Coach Cal on Twitter

“Just go done with groups of 4 player workouts and I am really encouraged for the first time. They are really starting to understand the DDM”.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Apr 25, 2009 12:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I was just about to post

about Coach’s twitter feed. Like a lot of UK fans, hearing that he was doing this was my impetus for joining the twitter thing in the first place. It’s incredibly fascinating tidbits that he’s sharing (even though we’re just talking a sentence here and there), and SO encouraging to be getting this info from the coach. It’s like, he understands that fans both crave and can understand this kind of info, and isn’t put-out with that, thinking it’s none of our business or a pain in the ass or whatever.

So anyway, the post after the one you mention, davw, he says something like “Patterson WILL BE” great in this offense. To much to hope for that this is an indication that Patterson is leaning toward staying?!?

by blue kentucky girl on Apr 25, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is dropping hints to Patterson

that he will increase his NBA stock considerably if he stays. He has been pumping him up since day 1. He knows Patterson hasn’t had any fun in 2 years and he’s saying hey this is going to be fun again for you.

by chrisgettlefinger on Apr 25, 2009 3:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dropping hints

Cal has flat-out said that he believes Patterson will be a top-10 pick if he comes back.

Fun for Pat — Very true what you write, and hopefully persuasive to Patterson.

by Ken Howlett on Apr 25, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

These things always seem to work out

but have they ever NOT worked out? I don’t want to focus on negative outcomes but I’m sure that some coach in the past royally over recruited and wound up in hot water. Maybe its schadenfreude but I’d like to hear that story.

by from_left_to_right_on_your_radio_dial on Apr 25, 2009 11:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Point Guard

I think it will be interesting if JC doesn’t land a point guard for next year. Meaning it will be interesting to see if Liggins and or Galloway can improve. They both are great athletes but I’m not sure about their on court basketball smarts. Yes it could have been the maddening offense and sub pattern BG tried to run which could have hampered their growth but really a point guard in any system is supposed to run the offense and distribute the ball plus limit turnovers. Neither Liggins or Galloway to me could do the very basics of a point guard. The thought of Miller running the point isn’t a great option because I think he will thrive at the two guard/small forward position under Cal and playing point would take some of that away. Just have to wait and see.

by maysvilleblue on Apr 26, 2009 10:22 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

JC Likes Big (6-5 Or Taller) PG

Both Liggins and Galloway fit that description.

But I’m pretty sure (90% plus) that UK will land either Wall or Bledsoe.

The Cats will have the #1 or #2 rated class (UNC has 5 HS A-A signed) for the first time in 5 years.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 26, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

AJ Stewart.. ?

Matt Jones is reporting that AJ will will likely depart the team at the end of the semester..

Anyone else hear anything on this..??

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Apr 26, 2009 10:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No Surprise

Darnell Dodson in meant AJ is out.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 26, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

who's the better player..?

…I’ve never seen DD play…

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Apr 26, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me Neither

i think Dodson fits UK’s needs better – he’s a heckuva good (20+ ft) shooter.

Stewart is an athletic player but not a great (outside) shooter.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 26, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

AJ out

Hate to bang on a player but AJ Stewert is not Division 1 talent..

by maysvilleblue on Apr 26, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He Certainly Is But

His UK coach never gave him a chance to show it.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 26, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

AJ is D1 talent

He hasnt gotten the experience on the court to show it. He may not be a star but he is certainly good enough to contribute at the D1 level.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Apr 26, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

D1, Yes. Elite, No.

Certainly AJ Stewart is a D1 talent but then again D1 is quite expansive from low (SWAC e.g.) to mid-major (MVC e.g.) to major/BCS to elite. I doubt that Stewart can contribute much at the upper two levels, but hope he has the opportunity — just not at UK.

by Wild Weasel on Apr 26, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

AJ Stewart Has BCS (Top 6 Conference) Talent

His bad fortune was having a coach the past 2 years who wasted his talent.

His HS team won 3 straight Florida HS championships. He can play. No doubt.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 26, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Disagree

His bad fortune was his attitude and maturity level – getting kicked out of the lodge, throwing a bit fit and “quitting” the team. Not going to get much playing time at a big name school without correcting those issues.

Same with Liggins – you tell a coach you are not going into the game, show up late to practice, mouth-off, see how much playing time you get.

Any coach.

It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Apr 28, 2009 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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