ESPN Report Clairifies Sypher vs. Pitino -- Somewhat
ESPN.com is reporting several new things in the suddenly breaking story of Rick Pitino's alleged extortion by a woman reported to be Karen Sypher, estranged wife of the Louisville basketball program equipment manager.
The new revelations are essentially as follows:
- It appears that the threats Sypher was allegedly making were "personal in nature" and "not related to his recruiting or coaching." This was attributed to Candice Clifft of WDRB-Fox 41 here in Louisville, the news reporter to whom Sypher revealed her side of the story.
- It appears Sypher conducted a long interview with Clifft, after which she was reportedly given a lie detector test, the results of which were considered "inconclusive."
- Clifft told ESPN that there are currently "no plans to air the interview."
- The Baltimore Sun reports that the allegations by Sypher involve "sexual misconduct," although I can't find their source for that anywhere on a cursory search. But it would seem to jibe with the "personal in nature" characterization of Candice Clifft.
At this point in time, that's all anyone has been willing to say. It looks like WDRB is going to sit on this story until they can get some kind of corroboration, which I think is commendable.
These articles also would seem to explain why the FBI is involved rather than local or state law enforcement. According to the ESPN article, Pitino received threatening calls in late February, allegedly from Sypher and possibly even other accomplices, and the calls continued during the Big East and NCAA tournaments. The use of the telephone lines, mail, or other instruments of interstate commerce would seem to place the alleged crime into the jurisdiction of the federal government.
Sometime in March, Pitino alerted the FBI to the situation. According to the Baltimore Sun's sources, millions of dollars were involved in the alleged extortionate threats. Richard Pitino, who recently was hired by Billy Donovan as an assistant in Florida, denies that the alleged criminal activity surrounding his father had anything to do with him leaving Louisville to go to Florida.
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No offense to ASOB, but...
I didn’t realize this site was used to air UofLs dirty laundry? I can see how UK fans would have an interest, being that Pitino was once our coach, but running alleged criminal activity as a headline? I’m no UofL fan either. Maybe I’m wrong Tru, but that was my first impression.
by Blueboy on Apr 20, 2009 8:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is a major story involving UK's biggest rival. Yeah, I'd say that deserves front page treatment.
Plus, there is a huge interest in this story among UK fans.
But do I like writing and talking about U of L? Not really, but this can’t be escaped.
by Ken Howlett on Apr 20, 2009 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would want this on the front page if it were only Andy Kennedy.
That it is King Rick and the Filthy Cards makes it even more captivating.
I am not rooting for ill things to befall the Pitinos, but I don’t see how any true fan of the program could turn up his nose at this level of intrigue, and NOT be waiting for the next page to turn.
By the way (can’t resist), if it were Bruce Pearl, would it surprise anyone?
by Ken Pomeroy on Apr 20, 2009 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course, Andy Kennedy thought his deal was an "International Incident"
Envy our past......Fear our future
by btcoop71 on Apr 20, 2009 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha Ha! That's right. He "reasoned" with the cop that the misunderstanding
would create an international incident. I’d forgotten that.
What is the latest on Andy’s charges and civil suit against The Turbanned One?
by Ken Pomeroy on Apr 20, 2009 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
AK is going to plead out today
Envy our past......Fear our future
by btcoop71 on Apr 20, 2009 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cabbie Called AK's Assistant The N-Word
Understandably, AK and his staff didn’t take kindly to that.
by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 20, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s why they call him “SLICK RICK”!!!! HE is always thinking he is GOD’S gift to women. Once again we have been short changed!!! Who cares about him, not me!!!
by curlyone on Apr 20, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well ...
… it’s the biggest news out there right now, and there has been a lot of unfounded innuendo and speculation. We could ignore the story, I suppose, but seeing as that Pitino is a major part of our basketball tradition, even if he isn’t our current coach, it seems wise for us to cover it.
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by Truzenzuzex on Apr 20, 2009 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Several reason why this is front page on ASOB...
1. It’s Pitino, an ex-UK coach
2. It’s Loserville, our #1 hated rival
3. It’s A very intriguing story that involves sex, lies and (hopefully) videos….
4. It’s a state school
5. It’s Loserville, our #1 hated rival, (ya’ know, kick them while they’re down?)
Honestly, why I find this story fascinating, I feel that if it were a “positive” story on Ricky P., we UK fans would care less…
6. It’s Loserville, ’nuff said… :-}
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by vinceuk1 on Apr 20, 2009 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um
3. It’s A very intriguing story that involves sex, lies and (hopefully) videos….
You want to see Pitino naked?
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by btcoop71 on Apr 20, 2009 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol...
…NO… That was a play on words from a movie… like you said, just a little humor… I thought it was obvious, sorry…
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Apr 20, 2009 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know
I was joking with you.
My jokes must not be very obvious today…..
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by btcoop71 on Apr 20, 2009 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no worries...
…The thing to remember is, in the end, the joke is going to be on Pitino & Loserville, and that’s all tha matters…!
lol ;-) :-}
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by vinceuk1 on Apr 20, 2009 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And on the chick...
….who thinks she is going to get paid……
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by btcoop71 on Apr 20, 2009 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If her allegations are false...
…she’ll be getting paid in cigarettes for favors in the yard…
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by vinceuk1 on Apr 20, 2009 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh.
Very true. Even if they are exactly true, though, she’ll probably get paid the same way. The threat is the crime, and the truth or falsity of the alleged activity that enabled the threat is relevant only in an additional charge of fraud. :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Apr 20, 2009 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes sir...
…I posted yesterday that both parties were perpetrators & victims, and neither will ever be the same after the dust settles…
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Apr 20, 2009 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A Sea of Blue ...
nearly tripled the average number of “hits” for a Sunday, and nearly doubled Saturdays number of “hits.”
by Ken Howlett on Apr 20, 2009 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pitino has always had a problem with keeping it in his pants.
Envy our past......Fear our future
by btcoop71 on Apr 20, 2009 8:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And you have proof of that?
Seriously, we don’t need this here. Pitino has long been a subject of the rumor mill, but lets stick to facts and not unfounded innuendo.
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by Truzenzuzex on Apr 20, 2009 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was joking Tru
geez
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by btcoop71 on Apr 20, 2009 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah.
Ok.
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by Truzenzuzex on Apr 20, 2009 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
watch out BT
butterfingers doesn’t like that
by bluecrip on Apr 20, 2009 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone else think Rick is beginning to look like Al Pacino?
by Ken Howlett on Apr 20, 2009 8:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If he grows the
goatee Ken he’s a shoein for an impersonator’s job….lol….
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by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 20, 2009 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here was Rick when he found out what this chick was doing

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by btcoop71 on Apr 20, 2009 8:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, my!
That one almost precipitated a nose-coffee episode. :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Apr 20, 2009 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
funny thought...
…Rick drives the FBI over to Karen Syphers house, knocks on the door, Karen answers, Rick says, “Say hello to my little friends”…
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Apr 20, 2009 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean like this?

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by btcoop71 on Apr 20, 2009 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh man, where did it go?
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by btcoop71 on Apr 20, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This does deserve front page
treatment….if we are going to operate (somewhat) as a news service for the fans, then this gets covered. Actually the story here is the criminal activity, unfortunately you cannot discuss one without the other. Now if there is a morals clause in that contract, then it gets even bigger. I do have one burning question though.
Who is held to a higher moral standard, the player or the coach?….If this were a player this was happening to would we be treating it any different?
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by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 20, 2009 8:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well ...
… so far, there have been no credible allegations of moral turpitude by Pitino. As of the moment, Sypher’s claims appear to be too tenuous even to report.
On the other hand, if Sypher did in fact call and try to extort money from Pitino, that form of moral turpitude, particularly with accomplices, is potentially has another name — “Racketeer-Influenced Corrupt Organization,” sometimes colloquially referred to as RICO.
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by Truzenzuzex on Apr 20, 2009 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you really think this might get
ramped up to a RICO charge?…I never even let that thought enter in….so I’ll ask this then, even if he is cleared of any moral ambiguities, does Pitino survive this and come out intact as before it happened?
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by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 20, 2009 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Saw somewhere
That the Atlanta Hawks are going to go hard after him.
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by btcoop71 on Apr 20, 2009 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hawks
The Hawks dont know who they are going to go after hard. The muddled ownership situation is the only reason the current coach has kept his job for the last two seasons. I cant really figure that one out either becuase he has been doing a pretty decent job.
DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!
by davw83 on Apr 20, 2009 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know anything about the Hawks' ownership, but ...
… one would think that the first coach to take them to the playoffs in an eon would be secure in his position.
They have a very good YOUNG team.
by Ken Howlett on Apr 20, 2009 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats what I would think
The ownership is split and there is not clear hand guiding the ship. They have been looking for a coach for the last two years but IMO the current one is doing a pretty good job with a young team.
They took the Celts to 7 games last season and judging from last night seem like they are going to steamroll through the Heat in the first round this season.
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by davw83 on Apr 20, 2009 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Answers.
To your first question: It could. Here’s why:
- To me, this looks for all the world like a Hobbs Act violation, if we are talking extortion.
- There are surely multiple fraud charges here if her allegations are actually false, either mail fraud or wire fraud, whichever statute covers this case.
- All the above are predicates offenses which can give rise to a federal RICO prosecution.
- The involvement of multiple people makes this more likely.
To your second question — marital infidelity, if that turns out to be true, is rarely fatal to a coach. Will it harm his reputation? To the extent that some people believed him faithful before, yes, but nothing that fielding championship quality teams won’t cure.
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by Truzenzuzex on Apr 20, 2009 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
About the only thing that will happen
is that Spitino gets some street cred with the recruits.
“Crazy bi*#$es won’t leave me alone! Now you gonna sign this LOI or what?”
by bluecrip on Apr 20, 2009 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to get into a legal debate here
But what is the “organization” that would give rise to the RICO charge? By which I mean Pitino (and, perhaps, very tendentiously, UL) is the target of the (alleged) extortion, made by a private individual. So what organization is being corrupted by illegal acts? If it were the other way around (UL trying to destroy some private woman’s reputation), I can maybe see the logic, but I just don’t follow it here. What am I missing?
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by NYCCats on Apr 20, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well ...
… there appears to be multiple people involved. The RICO title is somewhat misleading the way the law is currently applied. Essentially, anytime you have a conspiracy of individuals acting together with the requisite predicate crimes, RICO can be alleged. In cases like this, it is often dropped after a plea agreement, but the indictment will sometimes allege RICO as a means of putting on more heat.
That’s just what I have seen in the past.
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by Truzenzuzex on Apr 20, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A crime doesn't even have to be committed...
A loosely associated group of people sitting around discussing potential criminal acts is enough for RICO these days.
by jbt36 on Apr 20, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh.
… seems that way, doesn’t it. :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Apr 20, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, I was just trying to figure out who that "group" was
I thought she was acting alone; apparently, I am mistaken (all allegedly, of course).
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by NYCCats on Apr 20, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me get some thoughts
I posted last night on another thread —
If the FBI has been investigating for a month, why no arrests? I’m not a cop, never been a cop, but I do watch cop shows on TV, and it seems to me that a month is plenty of time to put together a case against this woman, if one indeed exists.
I can’t believe no one has come out with audio/video, or a letter, or something.
It’s all very puzzling to me.
by Ken Howlett on Apr 20, 2009 8:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe that's why there hasn't been a hard push
by the media Ken…..no video or audio….or written word , combined with her “inconclusive” lie detector test…..???
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by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 20, 2009 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No.
Take it from a guy who knows. These investigations take a long time, especially if they are done before a grand jury. The feds are very thorough, and the alleged involvement of more than Syhper will make them suspect some kind of conspiracy.
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by Truzenzuzex on Apr 20, 2009 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TRU?
you involved in a federal investigation? :>
by bluecrip on Apr 20, 2009 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
Not the target, mind you, but involved as a witness. Seven years of my life. Ugly, ugly. But interesting.
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by Truzenzuzex on Apr 20, 2009 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry to hear that
That’s a looooong time for an investigation. Glad you came out on the other side
by bluecrip on Apr 20, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed.
Me too. :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Apr 20, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tru, I get your point here, but I don't know that I could say the feds are very thorough.
In my experience I have found there is the normal spectrum of competence in the federal criminal system as there is just about everywhere else in government, and usually far less interest in pursuing something they have no personal interest in. Many times I have had an initial conversation with investigators, then never heard from them again. Sometimes that has been a relief, and sometimes a disappointment, depending on which side I happened to be on at the time.
There is no question that when the charges involve someone with Rick’s public profile they try to do a better job (which would certainly occasion some delay), but if you think that converts government bureaucrats into Perry Mason, you need look no further than the recent bungling of the Sen. Ted Stevens prosecution.
Also, we should be careful about making casual references to this lady as a potential racketeer, especially if we are unwilling to countenance similar offhand references to Pitino’s alleged womanizing tendencies.
The sad thing is that the racketeering statutes have indeed been used for things clearly never within the contemplation of the congress, like attacking those who witness at abortion clinics.
Is it clear from media reports that these allegations involve Rick and not little Richard? I ask this because his media advisory curiously says that his “family” has been the victim of an extortion plot. It may well be that the behavior the lady seeks to hide is behavior committed by someone other than Rick the Elder…
by Ken Pomeroy on Apr 20, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hum
“Fredo, you’re my older brother, and I love you. But don’t ever take sides with anyone against the Family again. Ever.”
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by vinceuk1 on Apr 20, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well ...
… Just a couple of things:
- Your mileage may vary regarding competence. I don’t think I mentioned the word, merely that the feds tend to be very thorough. That’s my experience, anyway. If you have otherwise, I can’t gainsay you and won’t attempt to do so.
- I didn’t make a casual reference to this lady as a racketeer. I was speculating on the possible range of charges that could be brought based on the facts we know. We are told that there were multiple threatening phone calls by multiple people, which creates the requisite components of a conspiracy. We can postulate that each one of those phone calls could be charged as anything from federal blackmail to a Hobbs Act violation along with conspiracies, and also alleged as mail/wire fraud if the claims she is making are false, which the feds may just assume. Multiple felonies of this sort, especially when accompanied by a conspiracy, often lead to a RICO charge. RICO is not just for racketeers anymore, unfortunately, that’s just the way the feds do business these days. It may not happen, but I would not be surprised if it did.
- It does seem clear that Rick was the one being threatened, and Richard has denied that these circumstances were involved in his decision to change jobs, if you read the articles above. He has not directly denied being threatened, as far as I know.
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by Truzenzuzex on Apr 20, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lot of points to cover (not just by Ken), but here goes...
Having witnessed many federal investigations and many federal court cases up close I agree with Ken – these guys don’t become Sherlock Holmes and Gerry Spence when they go to work for the federal government, but because they work for the federal government. The rules of evidence in federal court cases are much more in line with the prosecution than they are with the defense. The FBI and US Attorneys are successful for the same reasons casinos are successful – the rules in place give them the upper hand.
Actually, most of the top notch investigators I have been around work at a local level. When you don’t have the weight of an entire country sitting on top of a defendant or witness, you have to be more creative with your craft.
And generally speaking, glaciers move faster than a federal investigation.
Tru commended WDRB for not releasing their interview with Ms. Sypher. I happen to disagree with this. Having worked both as a professional journalist and a law enforcement official, I feel like I have a decent perspective from which to comment.
It is not the job of the news media to determine the veracity of claims presented to it. If that was the case, they would never report on the arrest of a suspect prior to the case being adjudicated and guilt or innocence established in a court of law. You can argue that there is a difference between crimes committed and alleged illicit personal actions, but keep in mind that Pitino drew first blood in this instance and his remains the only side to be aired to this point.
He is playing this well and his point of view is lent creedence in the eyes of the public by a former Lt. Governor and AUSA representing him, a university president standing behind him and the FBI investigating his claims. None of this presupposes he did nothing wrong, but it creates the perception that he is the sole victim in all of this.
WDRB is now saying it may never air her side of the story. They aren’t being heroic in this case; they are simply covering their behinds.
IF this woman was in any way victimized, then WDRB has repeated that victimization by refusing to air her grievances and given Pitino the opportunity to spin this entire thing in his favor from the beginning.
If it turns out that there is nothing to her claim and this was all simply a money grab, she should face the consequences. If she was victimized, then the responsible party should be held accountable and the victimization should be taken into consideration when it comes to possible criminal charges against her.
But here is a very important point moving forward – the FBI will not be investigating any claim she has made. They will only be looking at whether she attempted to gain favor (monetary or otherwise) by withholding or threatening to release information in her possession.
by jbt36 on Apr 20, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the TV station is scared of Jurich
They probably got told that their UL press credentials would be taken away if they reported it, just my opinion.
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by btcoop71 on Apr 20, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some comment
It is not the job of the news media to determine the veracity of claims presented to it. If that was the case, they would never report on the arrest of a suspect prior to the case being adjudicated and guilt or innocence established in a court of law. You can argue that there is a difference between crimes committed and alleged illicit personal actions, but keep in mind that Pitino drew first blood in this instance and his remains the only side to be aired to this point.
Well, I don’t think this is a particularly good example, but I take your point. It may be so that the WDRB staff is more interested in protecting their backside, but I would have concerns about posting a first-hand story about sexual misbehavior without some kind of corroborating evidence, but that’s just me. Pitino is a public figure, so any attempt to sue the station for defamation would be futile.
IF this woman was in any way victimized, then WDRB has repeated that victimization by refusing to air her grievances and given Pitino the opportunity to spin this entire thing in his favor from the beginning.
We have seen no evidence, or even a suggestion by WDRB, that the woman was victimized. If she was, I would expect her to go to another media outlet, perhaps one outside of Louisville, to get that part out if she feels like Pitino’s influence is a factor in getting the story heard. But it seems that the context of this affair is all about carrying out a threat. That appears to be the context of the reports that have surfaced from WDRB.
The FBI probably will not be investigating her claims, if she has any. Their jurisdiction would most likely fall to local law enforcement rather than the FBI. So far, I have not even heard the slightest suggestion that she has a claim. In fact, T. Clay explicitly said that the woman would not be filing any legal actions, so that makes me think that she has none to file.
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by Truzenzuzex on Apr 20, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Consequences come in many shapes and sizes for WDRB.
I wasn’t suggesting that they could be sued. But there are other reasons to cover their butts.
As for your second point, the problem is there is no evidence of anyone about anything. Any hint of the evidence that may exist is locked in the office of the WDRB station manager.
At this point, even if her allegations have merit, all of that will be ignored if the FBI and the US Attorney decide to seek charges against her.
From the evidence currently available, I can’t see how it serves anyone but Pitino for that interview to remain under wraps.
by jbt36 on Apr 20, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, yeah ...
… Pitino is the apparent victim.
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by Truzenzuzex on Apr 20, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
Ken, your cop shows fail you. It takes much longer than a month to put together a good case. Much longer.
Have you watched “The Wire”? If not, you should stop watching all of those other pretenders and pick up the DVDs.
by BBallSophist on Apr 20, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it takes longer than a month to put together a good case, ...
maybe you should tell that to the federal team that indicted Rod Blagoyevich fifteen days after he tried to sell Obama’s senate seat (9 December indictment).
At any rate, I was commenting not on speed, but on the allegation that federal teams are “very thorough,” as in my experience they are generally not much different from the rest of the criminal justice system — sloppy and ham-handed.
As for cop shows, I do not generally watch them, as they irritate me with their lack of realism. It’s difficult to watch something you know would never go down that way. A quarter century in the courtroom will do that to you.
Interesting you should mention “The Wire.” I did watch a couple of shows years ago, but it, too, was unrealistic and also very depressing in general (at least the two episodes I watched). I do not mean to impugn your tastes, as you are welcome to watch whatever floats your boat, but as far as I know the show died without winning any Emmy’s (unusual for an HBO drama), so it probably struck a lot of the Hollywood crowd the same way it struck me — boring and overwrought. If you liked, it, though, so much for the critics. What do they know anyway?
by Ken Pomeroy on Apr 20, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually Ken
That case on Blagoyevich was brewing for almost a year according to the newspaper reports from Chicago….they were going after him for other things when the Obama seat deal fell in their lap.
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by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 20, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure having an existing investigation helped,
but the election was 4 November and the indictment 9 December.
Somebody was awful busy in between.
by Ken Pomeroy on Apr 20, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, you watched two episodes!
Clearly you have a great handle on what the show was about. Was it in the middle of the season? “The Wire” wasn’t an episodic show. You have to watch it from the beginning. It was designed that way. It’s not CSI Baltimore.
As far as the critics go…sorry, but you obviously don’t have a clue what you’re talking about. “The Wire” was a critic’s darling. They LOVED the show:
http://www.time.com/time/bestandworst/2002/tv.html
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,1009257,00.html
http://cpgo.citypaper.com/film/story.asp?id=9538
http://www.salon.com/ent/tv/feature/2007/09/15/best_show/
http://www.metacritic.com/tv/shows/wireseason4?q=the%20wire
http://www.metacritic.com/tv/shows/wireseason5?q=the%20wire
Some excerpts if you’re too lazy to click the links:
Every single scene of The Wire is meticulously scripted and dramatically riveting.
To me, what allows "The Wire" to surpass "The Sopranos" in the pantheon of greatest American TV shows is its ambition and its anger.
This is TV as great modern literature, a shattering and heartbreaking urban epic about a city (Baltimore) rotting from within.
The fifth and final season of David Simon’s peerlessly acted, stunningly scripted, revolutionary drama of 1,000 moving parts kicks off Jan. 6.
“The best show… of the last twenty years is another HBO show—not as well known—called The Wire. The Wire is quite simply a stunning piece of work… it physically pains me to use this phrase, because anyone who uses it sounds like a tosser, but it is physically multilayered; it is just $%@#ing brilliant.
In the end, The Wire is extraordinary television. It has a richness, a depth and an intelligence that transcend the medium and makes it the kind of superb literature that A.O. Scott found lacking in the world of books.
On its surface The Wire is a cop show, the most stereotype-ridden of TV genres, yet nowhere in The Wire do stereotypes exist. There are no good guys and bad guys, merely men and women who work on opposites sides of the socially acceptable. The Wire treats both as people caught up in the same racial, class, and political tensions that afflict any American, and dramatizes them in manners that feel natural.
Yep, boring and overwrought seems to be the consensus there. I suppose I’ll stand alone with my crappy television tastes. Impugn away! Even the most critical reviews of the show are overwhelmingly positive:
Writing about the past four seasons of HBO’s The Wire has been one of the great pleasures of this job. But reviewing the fifth and final season, which begins next Sunday on the premium cable channel, is more of a mixed blessing.
It’s not that the series has suddenly taken a drastic turn away from its epic and compelling exploration of life in a downsized Millennial America. Steeped in a dense and seething urban sociology, the Baltimore-based series is still one of the most daring dramas in the history of the medium.
And season 5 was the worst season. If metacritic was around for the first 3, the reviews would have been as equally enthusiastic as that of season 4. Please, tell me again how unimpressed critics were with “The Wire”. You’re clearly an expert…
And the show didn’t die. It ended, on it’s own accord, in it’s 5th season.
As for why the show was never a hit and never received any Emmy’s despite the overwhelmingly positive reviews from critics? Well, David Simon (the co-creator) has some thoughts on that:
1) Cast predominantly black. Predominantly white nation stereotypes it as “black show” and feels comfortable ignoring same.
2) Requires thought and commitment to watch and absorb complex plotlines and subtleties. Television in America is by an large a vegetative medium.
3) Filmed in Baltimore. Baltimore? What the #$@%?
4) Although supported by HBO and given creative license, first and second seasons had most episodes premiering at ten o’clock following Arliss or Sex in City — shows that had very different appeal and audiences, I think. Third season premiers at nine, but alas, this fall NFL football and Desperate Housewives have the cultural zeitgeist surrounded.
5) Not enough happy endings.
6) I can’t understand what the Negros are saying.
7) What the hell is a D.N.R.?
8) Not an Emmy nom to be found. Did I mention it was written and filmed and produced by people who don’t live in New York or Los Angeles?Either all of the above or maybe we just aren’t worth watching. That could be it as well. I can’t blame HBO for anything, save, possibly, failing to get the DVDs out in advance of the third season and failing to get both seasons out there. That was, I think, an unfortunate mistake for a show as ornate as this one and I have said so to the folks involved. But as for scheduling, not everything can follow the Sopranos. They need to schedule year round, and frankly, something had to go up against the ESPN Sunday night game and Housewives. I will say, though, I don’t think any HBO show short of the Sopranos would have suffered in that timeslot. But the bottom line: HBO didn’t fight us to make our show more commercial, less smart or more lamely and weakly “accessible.” They didn’t ask us to whiten the show, or make it happier, or less angry or whatever. They have been brave. Moreso than any other network in the medium’s long, lugubrious history. Cut them slack.
Sorry, but “The Wire” is one of the greatest television shows ever produced and it’s renowned for being one of the most realistic portrayals of urban life and various instutitions such as the public school systems, police departments, and a newspaper newsroom, Emmy or not.
And critics don’t decide who gets nominated or chosen for Emmy’s. If they did, “The Wire” would have cleaned up year after year.
But what do critics know anyway?
The breadth and ambition of “The Wire” are unrivaled and that taken cumulatively over the course of a season — any season — it’s an astonishing display of writing, acting and storytelling that must be considered alongside the best literature and filmmaking in the modern era.
You’re right about it being depressing, though.
by BBallSophist on Apr 20, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: BBallSophist
Well, the “cop show” reference was meant as a joke.
“The Wire” — I’ll check it out.,
by Ken Howlett on Apr 20, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's good. Really good.
You just have to watch it from the beginning; preferably more than 2 episodes.
by BBallSophist on Apr 20, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FBI
Hopefully they learned their lesson after the whole Richard Jewell/Atlanta Olympic Park bombing back in ’96. That was a major black-eye for the FBI.
You make a good point — If they feel a conspiracy was afoot, that would explain why the investigation is taking longer to conduct.
by Ken Howlett on Apr 20, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On a lighter note
this has to end soon so Pacino wont be too old to play Pitino in the movie!!!!
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by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 20, 2009 8:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You want to play rough? Ok...

Ok, I’ll stop….I have work to do anyway….
Envy our past......Fear our future
by btcoop71 on Apr 20, 2009 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Andy's the Man
All this talk about Al Pacino is fine, but Andy Garcia should play the lead role in the Rick Pitino Story.
by JimReed on Apr 20, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good eye Jim
Garcia does fit the role better. Pacino is the sexier pick namewise. :)
by bluecrip on Apr 20, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question for the panal...
…if Ricky steps down because of all this…
Would UofL go after Ford or Phelphy, and, would either take the job…?
I would guess that John would stay loyal to UK, but Travis would make the move… JMO…
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Apr 20, 2009 9:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and for the "panel"... sorry
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Apr 20, 2009 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neither one leaves where they are
for UL……just dont see it
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by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 20, 2009 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see Pitino ...
… going anywhere unless he is somehow criminally liable. An affair, even if proven, would not fatally damage his reputation.
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by Truzenzuzex on Apr 20, 2009 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless, like John Edwards, he runs from the National Enquirer...
and gets photographed hiding in the hotel’s broom closet.
by Ken Pomeroy on Apr 20, 2009 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
curious choice
i regularly check this site b/c i think it truly provides a home ‘for the discerning fan.’ but not so much today. louisville’s on-court success in the regular season and post-season barely generated any mention here (even when covering all sorts of ‘other’ b.ball news). i’m not necessarily saying that should have been covered – but if pitino’s success then didn’t warrant discussion then neither does this. if the logic is ‘pitino is part of our history and his current doings deserve coverage,’ then this should be applied more evenly throughout the season in my opinion.
by mthall on Apr 20, 2009 10:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
incorrect...
…This is the biggest college basketball story in the country, (at the moment), and certainly the biggest in the state of Kentucky…
ASOB has always been fair in it’s coverage and continues to be, but this is news… Like it or not, (I get the feeling that you do not), I fully support ASOB’s coverage…
The curious choice would be why someone would join a blog just to tell the owner how he/she should run it… Very curious indeed…
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Apr 20, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i like this blog, read it regularly (even though i don’t comment), and think the editors do a very fine job. i made the post b/c i see today’s pitino content as a deviation from what is generally a very elevated discussion of UK b.ball.
if the story warrants front page attention b/c it is “the biggest college basketball story in the country, (at the moment), and certainly the biggest in the state of Kentucky…”, then surely pitino’s picture should have been on the front page when louisville was the overall #1 seed a few weeks back. i’m not sure how you can argue for one without the other.
by mthall on Apr 20, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We...
were a #4 seed in the NIT at the time, much bigger story.
The Spork, I'm two things in one.
by the spork on Apr 20, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on Apr 20, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We were dealing with a potential coaching change...
at the most storied program in college basketball history. And when that change was made, it overshadowed even the Final 4. Your agrument has no merit.
by jbt36 on Apr 20, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: mthall
You are asking a very valid question.
The answer is “interest.” UK fans don’t generally have an interest in how well U of L does on the BB court, or they at least have very little interest in reading about it on a “UK blog.”
Conversely, the interest in this story is through the roof. As I noted waaay above, our site “hits” yesterday (Sunday) were nearly triple what they are on an average Sunday. And the number of comments by the members seems to indicate a very high interest in the story. Ergo, we will “cover” the sordid story until it is concluded.
by Ken Howlett on Apr 20, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ASOB's coverage
has been more than responsible in dealing with this story. Tru and Ken (whoever posted this story) have tried to post only the facts as we know them and report only what other media sources are saying not contributing to rumors themselves.
Vince is correct that this is the biggest story in college ball right now and I cant imagine a place as dedicated to college ball as this one is not mentioning it.
DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!
by davw83 on Apr 20, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your opinion is duly noted.
Thank you.
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by Truzenzuzex on Apr 20, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought we talk about
L’ville too much if you ask me….lol…by the way….is EVERYBODY on here a lawyer?…I have never seen so many well informed legal opinions….any of you available pro bono
Let Tru and Ken do their jobs and report this stuff….let us little people make our snide comments….its what we do best….and why THEY run the blog….I have seen them all over the last 5 years….this is the most even handed, multiple point of view site out there….if you dont believe it, check out the “discussion” Tru and I have been having on my last post….he has not once been anything but professional
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by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 20, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anybody who needs legal help in NC is welcome to shout out!
by Ken Pomeroy on Apr 20, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're not helping me here Ken
I need Kentucky legal help…..specifically concerning the operation of a certain copper lined kettle I have out back in the woods….lol
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by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 20, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha! I just ran into a guy who's playing Junior Johnson's dad in a summer theatre piece up in Wilkes County.
It reminded me of when my brothers and I wandered on to a still in Muhlenberg County thirty or forty years ago. Scared us ____-less.
by Ken Pomeroy on Apr 20, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
try eastern Ky
makes western seem like a day at the circus….lol….mostly because a lot of those over there still work!!!…besides….any of us “connisoueurs” (please forgive spelling) only make the stuff for medicinal purposes anyway
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by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 20, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
been there
while doing volunteer work in eastern KY I was checking out a weird sound in the woods….followed the sound….came up on a large still and what I heard was the “thumper”. I thought the next sound I would hear was a gunshot and ran like hell.
by hoboat33 on Apr 20, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Muhlenberg County scared you?
Wuss =) hahaha j/k. Like allbluecat said, try eastern ky. If you’re from ANY other part of Ky, you WILL stick out like a sore thumb. On a passing through journey through EKY I got tons of “you look like an alien from outer space” looks.
by uk1982 on Apr 20, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol
My husband could relate to that. He was selling for Commonweath Ins back in the early 60’s and his boss from Somerset sent him to Harlan. He told me stories about that when I met him in mid 1976. He said he was very scared of those people but he was very productive in the area. He like Calipari had the gift of gab and he never met a stranger. Suffice to say he was very glad to get back to home base after about 2 months lol.
by kykat51 on Apr 20, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never thought
My native western ky would EVER seem “modern.” I’m sure the most of the people there are very nice, but seem leary of outsiders I suppose. I’ll never forget how uneasy and out of place I felt in that area…..and that’s coming from someone who grew up in the country!
by uk1982 on Apr 20, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
First Time In Harlan
Growing up on a hill farm in Washington Co. I thought I was familiar with the ways of Kentucky. I’d even accompanied my father on trips east on occasion to bring back coal for the winter. Then during my freshman year (1955) at UK I accompanied a fellow fraternity pledge home for the weekend to Harlan. An eye-opener for sure: went to VFW, maybe American Legion, on Saturday night and most folks were openly packing, lots of homemade spirits, and even though I was accompanied I felt as though every eye was focused on me. Same folks turned out for church next morning — without the sidearms (as far as I could tell) or the Mason jar. My welcome was about the same. My last time in Appalachia. A few years later I experienced the same feelings in Laos, Cambodia and upcountry Thailand.
by Wild Weasel on Apr 20, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
additionally,
ASOB is not going to spend time and energy discussing L’ville’s “normal” events such as the run through the tourney; however, this is definitely abnormal and generates a heightened interest.
by hoboat33 on Apr 20, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree
Cards and Pitino get a fair shake on this site for the most part. This is a Wildcat site.
by blue oregon on Apr 20, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
law
i’ve heard several people commending wdrb for holding back on airing their interview thus far. i would like to point out that theyre not doing so to be nice; airing the allegations without proof would land them a big fat defamation suit, which they would certainly lose. it’s not the same as running with unsubstantiated recruiting rumors or coaching changes. If the comments are salacious in nature and cause harm to a person’s reputation, a media outlet (or any reporting entity) has the responsibility of proving the allegations true or false, and then reporting it as such. In other words, WDRB is holding back out of necessity, not courtesy. If her allegations are unprovable either way and neither side admits its lying, we’ll probably never hear a credible news outlet report what her claims are.
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Apr 20, 2009 10:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well ...
… Rick Pitino meets the definition of a public figure, and in order to claim defamation, they would have to prove actual malice. WDRB deserves credit for sitting on this interview pending some confirmation.
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by Truzenzuzex on Apr 20, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
acual malice
includes acting in reckless disregard to the truth. if there is absolutely no proof that the allegation is true, and indeed karen sypher didn’t even conclusively pass her lie-detector test, then running the piece would be acting in reckless disregard to the truth. I guarantee you theyre covering their ass, not acting out of courtesy to pitino.
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Apr 20, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lie detector tests...
are not entered into evidence in a court of law for a reason. I am not saying any allegations made by Ms. Sypher are true, I’m just saying that an inconclusive lie detector test does not indicate otherwise.
by jbt36 on Apr 20, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but it gives WDRB reasonable doubt that she's lying
which is enough to keep them from running the story without doing more investigation.
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Apr 20, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does it matter to WDRB if the defendant...
in a murder case says he/she is innocent? How about child molestation case? Not relevant? How about a rape case? Take a look at how the media handled the Paul Patton situation is you want to know how these things usually go.
by jbt36 on Apr 20, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, it doesnt matter
it’s completely irrelevant to a defamation of character suit. that’s my point. Defamation is a totally different beast than most of the stuff covered by the media. That’s why this deserves special consideration.
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Apr 20, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boobs....every time I try to
comment on what you say that icon of yours keeps getting in the way…..!!!! I have lost my train of thought more than once trying to follow your posts….you arent some foreign country trying to infiltrate UK basketball using subterfuge and distraction techniques are you??
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by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 20, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the concern here jbt
is that DRB does NOT want to go out on that limb alone…..no one else seems to be willing to go there so they are using extra caution. Whether or not it is for a valid reason, this woman seems to be having credibility issues. This may be the end result of spin by the other party, the university, or someone else….but it is still working against her, guilty or not
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by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 20, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or the allegations may just be super nasty-kinky.
(Gave myself a chuckle…)
by Ken Pomeroy on Apr 20, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As far as I know...
no other media outlet has a taped interview with Ms. Sypher. And everything you guys are saying here just backs up my point about only knowing his side of the story initially.
Yes, he may be the victim of an extortion. But he may not be. That is still to be determined.
She may be the victim of some kind of sordid sex tale. She may not be. None of that can be determined until her side is aired.
You folks are demonstrating exactly the kind of perceptions I am talking about. You are now talking like Pitino is the ONLY victim in all of this simply because he referred this thing to the FBI. And the only thing that really means is he doesn’t feel like he has any criminal liability in this matter and perhaps she does.
Let’s not judge her and give him a free pass simply because he issued a statement saying he was a victim.
WDRB could have run with this story at almost no peril. Proving actual malice or recklessness would be an insurmountable legal bar given what I know about the case so far.
They are at no legal peril. So why not release it? Is it the Bill Clinton “Nobody cares about sex” argument resurrected? Is it the “we don’t want to soil a good man” argument?
Rick Pitino is not the victim of anything unless a court of law finds this woman guilty of some crime. Let’s not confuse things by taking the bait his statement dangled in front of us because thaiwas exactly the response his camp was hoping for when they drafted it.
by jbt36 on Apr 20, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually jbt
I take your side here…..I do not agree with the way it is being perceived, but “it is what it is” to quote a friend….this is a David vs.Goliath situation. However, her attorney stated that he was aware that there may be criminal charges…that automatically puts his client at a disadvantage in the eyes of the public.
I think what the others are saying, and I am taking some liberites here, is that they do not want to see someone’s reputation ruined by unsubstantiated allegations. I will add, that the door should swing both ways, but the investigation is going in her direction. Admittedly at Pitino’s request, but it is going in her direction. Thats really all there is to it until something is proved one way or the other. No “little person” ever gets a fair shake against a celebrity unless they are holding the smoking gun. If you don’t believe that, ask the families surrounding the case of OJ Simpson. I’ll guarantee you they will tell you the same thing.
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by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 20, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, forgot to close quote.
WDRB could have run with this story at almost no peril. Proving actual malice or recklessness would be an insurmountable legal bar given what I know about the case so far.
That is all of the quote. The last two paragraphs are all me.
by jbt36 on Apr 20, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Photos now surfacing
at another site arent oging to help either jbt…if this is a case of the spin doctors working overtime they are earning their money….
http://new.kentuckysportsradio.com/
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by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 20, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True ...
… however, in the case of a first-person report from a witness who’s veracity is not in doubt, there could be no such charge. But perhaps there is some doubt as to here veracity, I don’t know. An inconclusive lie detector test would not tend to prove she was incredible, so I doubt that’s an issue.
WDRB could have run with this story at almost no peril. Proving actual malice or recklessness would be an insurmountable legal bar given what I know about the case so far.
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by Truzenzuzex on Apr 20, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Proving actual malice or recklessness would be an insurmountable legal bar given what I know about the case so far"
But, in all fairness, you don’t know anything about the case. The only people who know what went on in the TV interview are Sypher and WDRB. And if the station has doubts as to the veracity of her claims, they MUST hold back on airing them, again, not out of fairness, but because if Pitino can prove the allegations are false (and we know someone has been recording phone calls) then Sypher AND WDRB could easily go down in a defamation suit, should the station choose to air the interview without eliminating their reasonable doubt.
From an above post,
Pitino is a public figure, so any attempt to sue the station for defamation would be futile.
and
WDRB could have run with this story at almost no peril.
I don’t know why you would say that. That’s not true at all. Actual malice might be difficult to prove, but it certainly isn’t a futile endeavor. If WDRB has doubts about her claims — which they obviously do — and they run her interview, and her allegations are false, and Pitino can prove it, then WDRB would lose a defamation case. Once again, they’re not being nice, they’re covering their ass.
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Apr 20, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's my understanding ...
… that in order to successfully sue someone for defamation one must prove that the offending statements are false.
And in order for DRB to be in any legal trouble, it must be proved that they knew the statements were false, yet still aired them.
Brings to mind “Absence of Malice”
by Ken Howlett on Apr 20, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
your understanding is wrong
“actual malice” is twofold. either the disseminater knows the statement is false and runs it anyway OR runs it with “reckless disregard to the truth.” this essentially means the disseminater must dispel reasonable doubts in regard to the veracity of the claims. WDRB has reason to believe Sypher might not be telling the truth. It’s their responsibility to investigate those doubts before going public with her claims.
Now, if her statements are true, then there’s no issue. WDRB could roll the dice and hope the statements are true, but that’s not a real good idea.
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Apr 20, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see the difference in what you wrote and what I wrote
Is it not true that in order for DRB to be successfully sued for defamation, that it must be proved that they knew the statements were false? In order to prove "reckless disregard for the truth’ one has to prove the statments were false. Yes?
My reference to “Absence of Malice” may be off a bit, it’s been a while since I’ve seen the movie.
by Ken Howlett on Apr 20, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK Gang....
any minute now Perry Mason is going to roll in here with Ben Matlock, they are going to get Judge Judy and Dom Herrera and we will get this thing settled once and for all…..
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by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 20, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol ABC
I loved Mason, Matlock and I think Judge Judy is the toughest female judge around. Don’t know Herrera.
by kykat51 on Apr 20, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Supreme Court of Comedy
you may not get it if you dont have directv….its on their channel 101….comedians as lawyers….Herrera is the judge…..Judge Wapner type cases…..
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by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 20, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
i dont know how else to say it. yes, the statement have to be false for it to be defamation. but the disseminating party doesnt have to know theyre explicitly false.
let’s say, for instance, that you tell me that calipari killed the president’s dog. I don’t know for sure that he didn’t, but I have my doubts, and i never look into what really happened. Still, I run the story in my newspaper. Assuming that claim is found to be defamatory, and ultimately false, I can be named in a defamation of character suit for running the story without investigating my own reasonable doubts, and I will lose. Cal doesn’t have to prove that I knew for sure he didn’t kill Bo. He just has to prove that I never investigated my reasonable doubts before running the story.
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Apr 20, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You answered by question, thanks
I made a reference to Richard Jewell above (the man orginally accused by the FBI of being the Olympic Park bomber). He was named by the FBI as the guilty party, and several news organizations ran with the story. It turned out to be false, and he successfully sued several newspapers, TV stations, etc.
They settled because, as you write, they didn’t investigate to an acceptable degree the veracity of the charges.
My main concern is — Pitino’s ability to prove that Sypher’s allegations against him are false (if indeed she is leveling such allegations). I would think that would be a difficult thing to prove, and the burden of proof certainly falls into Pitino’s lap.
by Ken Howlett on Apr 20, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
youre right
although i’m guessing he’s the one who’s been recording phone calls. If he’s got her on the line admitting she’s making it all up, then she’s in deep.
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Apr 20, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's for sure.
Which takes me back to the whole time-line thing. But, as Tru points out, if there is indeed a conspiracy, then I can understand it taking longer for the FBI to make an arrest.
Thanks for the free lesson :)
by Ken Howlett on Apr 20, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know, all they really have to say to stay out of defamation territory
is that there is this lady and she is saying this: “______”
That would be true, and would not get them in any legal hot water.
It might well piss off the pro-Pitino crowd.
by Ken Pomeroy on Apr 20, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, it's not
that’s not enough. that’s my entire point. A news organization cannot just report what someone else said no matter and think they can get away scot free. if the statement hurts someone reputation, there are a host of litmus tests that must be met, depending on the individual claiming libel or slander and the specific details of the case, for the news organization not to be held liable for the claims. This is what I’m trying to tell people: WDRB has a legal obligation to make sure they have no reasonable doubt that Sypher’s claims aren’t true. That’s why theyre sitting on this interview.
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Apr 20, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boobs is telling the truth
WarDRoBe doesn’t want to be sued for airing any statements about a person that cannot be proven without a doubt. That’s why people “allegedly” do something until they are convicted by a court.
Also, they don’t want to go on the air with someone’s allegations, they turn out to be BS and next thing you know their credibility is crap and their competitors are running promos reminding people, “If you want the TRUTH about UofL sports…turn to (US)_______insert call sign!” Now they have a lawsuit against them from a pretty popular person/entitiy and advertisers are pulling ads faster than you can say whipsaw.
It’s another reason you don’t ever get the “whole story”. The stories behind what’s reported can be some CRAZY stuff, fictional you would think, but because it often comes from what someone heard or saw, it won’t get reported. unless it’s in some form of public record, police report, etc. it won’t make light of day. The photogs at the TV stations can tell you all kinds of crazy stuff from the stories they are sent to cover. Not every story has crazy tidbits but a lot do.
by bluecrip on Apr 20, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am telling you that Boobs is just
trying to distract us all, otherwise that icon would’nt be there…..lol…you don’t dress like that in court do you Boobs?
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by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 20, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i for one appreciate the distraction
i have a new avatar i am waiting to unleash once i get tired of porn guy. she is a law student here who was a contestant in the miss universe pageant. plus, she can play a mean fiddle!!!!! that is not a joke.
by bluecrip on Apr 20, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Change your avatar?
Oh please don’t. I get a laugh everytime I see the guy with those pigtails!
by kykat51 on Apr 20, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually worried
About your other avatar..looked really beaten up. Glad to know it was not the real bluecrip. I know now you just have fun with these different pics :-)
by kykat51 on Apr 20, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm going to keep ol boy for a while
i still get a kick out of him too. :)
my last one was supposed to be a “real life” Beavis with a little road rash thrown in. I googled/yahoo’d Beavis one day and this dude’s pic came up. I had to nab it.
i’ll try to keep my avatar’s tasteful but sometimes I get a wild hair….just holla if I put one up that doesn’t jive. i won’t cry. ;>
by bluecrip on Apr 21, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just relieved
that it was NOT really you!
Happy Days are here again The sky is all ways BLUE again Happy days are here again !
by oldcat70 on Apr 21, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actual Malice ...
… with respect to “reckless disregard for the truth” does not include simple neglect in following the standards of fact checking. In fact:
t should be noted that the actual malice standard focuses on the defendant’s actual state of mind at the time of publication. Unlike the negligence standard discussed later in this section, the actual malice standard is not measured by what a reasonable person would have published or investigated prior to publication. Instead, the plaintiff must produce clear and convincing evidence that the defendant actually knew the information was false or entertained serious doubts as to the truth of his publication. In making this determination, a court will look for evidence of the defendant’s state of mind at the time of publication and will likely examine the steps he took in researching, editing, and fact checking his work. It is generally not sufficient, however, for a plaintiff to merely show that the defendant didn’t like her, failed to contact her for comment, knew she had denied the information, relied on a single biased source, or failed to correct the statement after publication.
Many places would have relied on her story, and reported it simply as an allegation. That does not and, as a practical matter cannot, reach the standard of “actual malice.” You are technically correct, but as a practical matter, you are wrong. If the news outlet cannot find an obvious reason to disbelieve a single source in a case like this, they need not fear a successful suit for defamation.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Apr 20, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"You are technically correct, but as a practical matter, you are wrong."
try again.
Clifft said there were some questions she asked that Sypher did not answer conclusively or convincingly, which heightened the station’s concerns about the veracity of her information.
So we already have verifiable proof, from the mouth of the reporter, that the station has “serious doubts as to the truth of his publication.” As a practical matter, I’m right.
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Apr 20, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they had serious doubts ...
… then they could be liable. No doubt about that. I am not wrong, though, because I disclaimed that very thing above.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Apr 20, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you live to be not wrong, don't you?
you could have easily googled to find out if they had expressed doubt. Of course they had. You’re wrong.
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Apr 20, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In reality ...
… I didn’t read your comment closely. The quote was that the station “had concerns,” not serious doubts. I had read before that the station had some concerns about her story, but concerns like that do not rise to the level of doubt that would create a legal condition of actual malice.
So you are wrong, of course. As it should be. :-)
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Apr 21, 2009 6:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
give me a break
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Apr 21, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But one other thing is ...
… that if their policies and procedures require validation of facts at a certain level (and I’m sure they do) that would be another reason they could not go public with it. If they could not check their facts in accordance with their normal procedures for similar incidents, they would be wise not to publish the information. Violating your own procedures without good reason can be construed as meeting the “actual malice” standard.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Apr 21, 2009 6:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dont you think Ken
that unless any wrongdoing is proven by this woman and Pitino gets charged with something that he walks away without a scratch?..Tru seemed to think that’s the case(paraphrasing)….I mean he has Jurich and the Board of regents at UL eating out of the palm of his hand…our newly beloved coach is a master of that but I swear I think Pitino invented the art….lol….and that TV station may not feel like waking a sleeping giant when it comes to the wrath of Pitino.
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by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 20, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If she wants to make her claims public
all she has to do is call a news conference or authorize her attorney to make them public. If 6 or 8 news organizations show up at a news conference and hear her allegations, nearly all will report what she said. Because of the competition.
by Fortunatus on Apr 20, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent point
Makes me wonder if she’s being counseled to NOT call a press conference, and did she hire Clay AFTER the DRB interview.
by Ken Howlett on Apr 20, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I appreciate the story, But...
I need my morning link fix.
Where are the story links?
by Strangeite on Apr 20, 2009 10:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Coming.
Never fear. :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Apr 20, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Slick Rick
This why he is called “SLICK RICK”, he thinks he is God’s gift to women. Once again we have been short changed!!!! Who cares about him and his womanizing. I for one am glad he doesn’t still coach for the BIG BLUE NATION.
by curlyone on Apr 20, 2009 10:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Andy Garcia
Here’s the guy to play Rick Pitino in The Movie.
by JimReed on Apr 20, 2009 11:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Here is the latest
http://hellinthehall.com/2009/04/20/karen-sypher-the-pitino-extortion-attempt/
Envy our past......Fear our future
by btcoop71 on Apr 20, 2009 11:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I forgot to add that it is nothing new
Envy our past......Fear our future
by btcoop71 on Apr 20, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahh shucks........
I have missed all the fun…lol….oh well.
And, I have thought for the past few years, Pitino was looking a lot like Pacino. Hadn’t really looked at online pics, but some of these are downright eerie.
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Apr 20, 2009 3:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Billy G....???
Off the subject a bit, but I wanted every one to know that Billy G. was at Keeneland Saturday…
I was watching TVG with some friends, and the camera was fixed on him with TVG crew making the comment, “there is the ex-uk coach, enjoying a day at the races”…
Why is he still in town..?
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Apr 20, 2009 4:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What else are you gonna do
when you have a mil or 2 in your pocket, an empty house, and no job? My best guess is that he is waiting to find out the results of his contract negotiations with UK….I’d hang around town a few months for another few mil
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by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 20, 2009 4:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he likes Lexington so much that he is having a hard
time leaving….or, he could be wating around to get his last check. he won’t be coaching anywhere next year so he may as well hang out and finish the derby season while he has a chance. if you see him, buy him a mint julip on me.
by bluecrip on Apr 20, 2009 4:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
okay bluecrip.....
will do….now all I need is your cc # …..lol….but, honestly, that is all correct. No other job, has a house, Keeneland is still on, and Derby is around the corner, so why not hang out. We all know that this is an exciting time in the Bluegrass….I wouldn’t leave, in his case, either.
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Apr 20, 2009 4:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hey d2....I hear he's looking for company....
you never know….you might snag one there…..lol…..just so long as he hasn’t read about you having the hots for Calipari…..lol
Remember, we're having fun now!!!
by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 20, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Allblucat...
wait a minute now….A) why do you think I am looking? B) I do not have the “hots” for Calipari,as you stated. So please explain this to me. I think Cal is the right man for this job, that is what I have said. Period……..
I do expect a reply ALLBLU : )
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Apr 20, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
its called a joke a2d2....
you remember those……everyone used to use them to describe our program about 4 months ago……geez….why is everyone so dang touchy lately….I was driving home, so I didnt see this until now btw……c’mon gang….everyone lighten up….since when did this get to be so serious…..next thing you know….Ken Howlett will stop correcting my punctuation….I was just trying to inject a little levity ino the discussion…..my sincere apologies for having offended…..
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by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 20, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
then again....lol....
maybe I was just joking now…..;-)
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by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 20, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Allblucat...
IF that is an apology, I will accept it….lol…..Who knows?..HaHaHa…I cannot tell.
You should know by now that I like a good laugh, but saying that I have the HOTS for Calipari, was not correct, in no way, shape or form. If I were Coach Cal, I would be offended that you made the comment. Ol’ buddy, Ol’ pal……..You did not hear anything like that from me. : )
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Apr 20, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
somehow I dont believe
that Coach Cal gets offended by fans having the “hots” for him, however I offer my most humble apologies to Coach if I overstepped my bounds…..and if I didnt, Coach could you please send a2d2 an autographed life size standup picture of yourself so she can tell it every day that you are the right man for the job…..period…..???
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by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 20, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not even going to....
or……. Yes, I am…..Geez Allblucat….Don’t turn this into another boxing match, like I saw between you and that RED one….End of story here and now.
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Apr 20, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok...ya made me laugh on that one!!!!
you win…..I lose….there…its in print!!
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by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 20, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
See......
I was just looking for my copper kettle…..lol
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Apr 20, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the things we men
do to keep the womenfolk happy…..now if only Ricky had taken that approach…..hmmmmm….actually that one was bad even for me….lol
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by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 20, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But......
the womenfolk are always worth it……..Now…….
Where is John Wall’s gate?……lol…..I will watch it closely, if you find it…
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Apr 20, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not that dang wall
again….I mean gate….I mean wall….I mean Walll…..aaaargggghhhh!!!!!!!!
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by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 20, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually....
I think there is a door too…….Les would know…lol.. : )
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Apr 20, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coerced Abortion
According to this the problem stems from a sexual liaison 5 years ago resulting in pregnancy then abortion.
by Wild Weasel on Apr 20, 2009 6:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You cannot ...
… take that blog seriously. That is an unsourced rumor. Anybody can post on that blog, regardless of credibility.
Don’t accept anything you read on the Bleacher Report without links and sources. It is a known haven for nonsense.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Apr 20, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best. Rumor. Ever.
The King is dead! Long live the King!
by NYCCats on Apr 21, 2009 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coincides With Illness
Perhaps it’s only synchronously related but five years ago, if you recall, was the time of Pitino’s inexplicable illness.
by Wild Weasel on Apr 20, 2009 6:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
Karen’s side of the story will ever come out in the national media. Pitino’s money will suppress it.
by kykat51 on Apr 20, 2009 7:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You got it girl....
Us gals have seen how these things always turn out…….Maybe the guys don’t see that……
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Apr 20, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
now hold on ladies....
we men have our sensitive sides too….this thing doent have to be a gals vs. guys thing. If the man did something wrong, then it needs to come out….if not then she needs to get a grip….I dont see Pitino having enough $$$ to prevent the FBI from bringing out whatever they find in this case….maybe that’s naive. and if so then I admit to it….but dont assume we guys dont have an understanding about how these things work….at least not all of us
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by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 20, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Abortion
I know that many women opt for it even though I am personally against it. I have read many stories of how it can effect a woman’s mind for many years. It just depends on the individual’s belief of when life begins and many do not believe it begins at conception, but that is another matter.
If she was in fact coerced, that is very bad, as she was already a mother to four sons.
I don’t know how this whole thing will go down….but the whole sordid thing is bad for both families because of the children involved on both sides, and to me, the kids are the most important thing at stake and how it affects their lives now and in the future.
by kykat51 on Apr 20, 2009 7:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
But isn't that just speculation at this point?
Didn’t someone say the bleacher report, was well, not a trusted source for info?
Additionally, multiple sources said:
Sypher and Pitino met at Louisville restaurant Porcini nearly six years ago. At the time, Sypher was single. Pitino was not.
They talked, stayed late, then Pitino "took advantage of Sypher," resulting in an abortion and five years of silence.
I just find this very hard to swallow. I haven’t commented too much on this thread b/c there is so much speculation.
by uk1982 on Apr 20, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, Bballsophist
made sure I knew they were less than reliable when it came to what they allowed to be put on the blog….
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by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 20, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting quote ...
… in this article:
On April 8th, a woman identifying herself as Karen Sypher called WHAS11 making criminal allegations against Pitino but she told us she had not filed a criminal complaint.
Why would she make a claim like that and not file a complaint? To preserve her threat?
Weirder and weirder.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Apr 20, 2009 7:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dang Tru....
did you have to hunt for that one or are they just getting easier to find?
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by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 20, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unreliable or not
Sites like that may be the only way that Karen gets her story out there.
I respect Pitino for his years at UK and what he did, but I have never trusted him as an individual with what he spouts to the media. He has always taken care of himself and I know he and Keightley had a great relationship. We all know his past with philandering and so does Joanne. She has always preferred to stay away and I don’t blame her. The further from the acts the better as in she does not see it first hand and can go about her normal life as a Mom to her children. Sometimes not knowing and hearing is the best.
I remember the story about Daniel who died in a premature birth. I am not going any further.
by kykat51 on Apr 20, 2009 7:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
kykat
You may be overblowing the power of Pitino’s $, and underestimating the cut-throat nature of the national and local media.
With the 24/7 news cycles, every-single-iota of information will be dissected by ESPN, FOX, CBSSports, etc. They LIVE for this stuff.
IF he’s dirty, we’ll know, as will the entire world.
by Ken Howlett on Apr 20, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you are right Ken
But I honestly don’t see it with Pitino’s influence and moneys. He lives to keep his name clean from scandal, etc. He has hired the former KY attorney general as his lawyer.
Again I hope you are correct, but I just don’t see the other side surfacing in the national media.
by kykat51 on Apr 20, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see your point totally, kykat
But then I think of President Clinton, Gov. Spitzer, Blagojevichfdjasfk, etc. (not trying to be political, just using these big names to make a point) Those weren’t able to keep their noses clean.
by uk1982 on Apr 20, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Noses?
Can’t say for certain regarding Blagojevich (considering his vernacular I have my suspicions) but for Clinton and Spitzer I’m sure it was another part of the anatomy — but perhaps noses as well.
by Wild Weasel on Apr 20, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blago Wanted $ Not That
Governor Milorad likes $$$ not the anatomy.
by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 21, 2009 6:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pitino is not a federal employee
He is employed by UL which yes I know is state funded to some degree. It is in the best interests of UL and Jurich to keep this whole fiasco under the radar as far as anything concerning Pitino’s personal life and his problems. It could have happened at UK during his tenure and we all know that part of the story. He has stretched his limits with getting away with his many escapades. I don’t know of anyone in the BBN or the Cards supporters who could truthfully deny that. I know I cannot. It was just a Pandora’s Box waiting.
by kykat51 on Apr 20, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now, this is probably going to be taken wrong
but does anyone think that Joanne Pitino couldnt walk away tomorrow….(a very rich woman I might add) and still have her sense of self intact if she thought this was a ongoing problem?
I honestly believe that SOME women know the score beforehand….and still want to play the game. That does not excuse any illegal or immoral behavior, but it’s kind of like saying that Jaqueline Kennedy did’nt know who JFK was before they were married. My wife knew the kind of man I was BEFORE we got married. She and I trust each other because we dont lie about where we are and what we are doing to each other, but my wife knows I am no saint, and was not before we married. Her trust in me is what our marriage is all about….not all of them are, but I do not find most women to be near as naive as people think.
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by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 20, 2009 8:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
there should have been a comma after
“where we are”….sounds a little too strange without it…..hat tip to Ken Howlett….
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by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 20, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have one request, and you won't let me live it down :)
To your comment —
It certainly wouldn’t be the first time that a couple had an “arrangement.”
by Ken Howlett on Apr 20, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am just glad someone is keeping an eye on me Ken....
or else a2 is gonna have my hide!!!!
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by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 20, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are
certainly crusin’ for a brusin’ tonight, Allblucat………and that’s all I have to say about that….lol
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Apr 20, 2009 8:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I dont want to rile anyone with this one a2
thats not my intent at all, sincerely…..there are a lot of strange stories out there….and the more people live outside the real world, and I am referring to the priveleged and those who’s lifestyles directly reflect their paycheck here, the more bizarre the stories get. People who dont have to worry about the mortgage and the car payments or the college funds tend to get bored real easy…now I say again, as I have before….this is about a person’s character not their heritage….strange things happen in country club back rooms and high priced hotel rooms that never see the light of day…..but when someone feels slighted in any way, there is usually something ugly about to happen…..it just seems to work that way is ALL I am saying
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by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 20, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ahhh.......
I didn’t mean that I was going to go after you on that comment. I meant that you were certainly opening yourself up for quite possibly some mean comments……I am not going to argue with you ABC….good, I figured a shorter name for you….lol
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Apr 20, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
correction
figured out
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Apr 20, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just dont want you and Kat to think that
I am going all Man Cave here….this is as I said earlier, one of my heroes…my gut instinct is to defend him with my best John Wayne impersonation….but I also know heroes are fallible, so I am holding out that this comes out ok for BOTH parties…usually doesnt happen….but I am holding out for it
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by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 20, 2009 8:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
by the way
Rondo fell in first half of Boston game tonight….not sure how badly he is hurt….
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by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 20, 2009 8:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pitino is one of my heroes also
But in the midst of all this I find it very hard to defend him as I know he only cares abouit his own reputation and does not give a 2 cents worth about anyone else.
by kykat51 on Apr 20, 2009 8:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well, that's understandable....if your information is accurate
now people who know you may take YOUR word as something written in stone….the problem here is that no one on here knows this woman,as far as I know of, nor how reliable she is. We have not heard her side of the story, and I would bet, that even if it was the National Enquirer, that someone would either air or print her story…unless there is a credibility issue…and that has never stopped the enquirer. You say you know he only cares about his reputation, is this first hand knowledge, or is it something you got from someone else?…and if it is from someone else, and you had to gamble everything you have on it for real…..EVERYTHING you own….are you still as sure?….if so then I would say that someone would hear your side of it if it were you were the person in this situation…I wont defend anyone if I have any provable reason not to…..I will defend my heroes until someone proves to me that I shouldnt.
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by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 20, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
see Kat
this is exactly what I was referring to earlier…a lot of these guys see things different than you or I…..And play it down as much as you guys want to, but the double standard still exists today. It always takes two people, but the female seems to come out as the initiator. And the male comes out with a macho reputation.
Now I am not talking specifically about Pitino. I like the guy. KY needed him when Eddie really messed the program up. I am talking about, in general situations 99.9% of the time, the double standard applies. That is just the way it is…..
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Apr 20, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
awwwww.....c'mon a2
this isn’t about men vs. women….I would feel the same way if someone was involved in this same situation with Pat Summitt. You go after her, and I am getting my back up just as fast….I have female heroes too…and as far as Zoso’s comment, its not about his public status as far as I am concerned…I would defend a friend the same way….I grew up in a racist, sexist, backward, southern home where the guns and fishing boats had as much respect as the women….I have spent my entire life making sure I was NOT that type of man. I really don’t like being labeled that way…..honest…
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by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 20, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say
ALL guys. So everyone can decide where they belong on their own…..I mentioned no names. And if it were a female coach, and someone’s husband, estranged or not, things would already have been different in the media, and in the public opinion….
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Apr 20, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My problem with this is simple...
Everyone has now switched gears and takes the “Pitino is a victim” position because he was able to get out in front of this situation. He has already won the PR war and whatever happens over the course of the next few weeks is not going to change that.
If her side ever emerges, it will only be after she has been marginalized to the point that nothing she has to say will matter. That’s what happens when you mess with the upper crust.
by jbt36 on Apr 20, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pitino apparently is a victim ...
… of a criminal conspiracy. That certainly does not mean that he is clean of any wrongdoing in the overall matter, either criminal or otherwise.
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by Truzenzuzex on Apr 21, 2009 6:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pitino has Status
This Woman does not.This is where it begins and ends.
by -Zoso- on Apr 20, 2009 9:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
not if the womens rights groups get involved
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Apr 20, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good grief
That sounds totally preposterous, but yet totally possible in America. ha!
by uk1982 on Apr 20, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I want to say this
to ABC and whomever, I am on ASoB to support my Wildcats, win or lose. I do not want to argue with anyone. I want to see my team raise more banners, if that comes about, which I believe they will. I want the Wildcats to know that when they put on that KY jersey, they are supported by the most loyal and awesome fans in the world. And I am and always will be one of those fans.
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Apr 20, 2009 9:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Me too....
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Apr 20, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It not an argument a2....its a discussion
an open exchange of ideas and thoughts….I believe we ALL want to support the Cats, and this subject has just raised a lot of bad feelings for everyone. Now that I have gotten in the last word , I’ll hush!…lol
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by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 21, 2009 7:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not the last word.......
yet…….LOL
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Apr 21, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sypher And Family Comment
Nothing much added but comments on difficulty of Ms. Sypher getting her side of story out.
by Wild Weasel on Apr 20, 2009 11:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sypher's
As someone wrote Sunday — All she has to do is call a news conference (everybody will show up) and state her side of the story.
But, the more she says publicly, the more the potential prosecutors will have to hang her with if this thing ever gets to court.
vinceuk1 below — Pitino did not name her as the extorter, Thomas Clay, Sypher’s attorney did that.
by Ken Howlett on Apr 21, 2009 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Potential prosecutors" -- unfortunate wording, but you get the point.
by Ken Howlett on Apr 21, 2009 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Morning Ken
See you are still trying to make sense of all this.
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by oldcat70 on Apr 21, 2009 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Morning oldcat
Yes I am, but it may be an impossible task.
by Ken Howlett on Apr 21, 2009 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I learned a lot today just reading.
We have a bunch od attorneys on board and that one post about the tv show has to be the longest I’ve ever read.
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by oldcat70 on Apr 21, 2009 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most of the time
Our Attorney’s could not even agree to disagree!
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by oldcat70 on Apr 21, 2009 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There seem to be several lawyers on board here, as you note ...
… and several others seem to have a firm grasp of the legal remifications of what’s happening.
To your comment below — I was thinking the EXACT same thing today as I read the thread.
I’m working on a new front page post — ESPN’s Pat Forde has some quotes from Sypher and her mother.
by Ken Howlett on Apr 21, 2009 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"To your comment below" --
I’m referring to the comment about the lawyers not even agreeing to disagree.
by Ken Howlett on Apr 21, 2009 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll let you finish and then I'll read it.
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by oldcat70 on Apr 21, 2009 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just getting started ... just found the story
So it might be a while.
by Ken Howlett on Apr 21, 2009 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll probably wait until later
to read . got an early morning delievery from FedX that has to be signed for. Good Morning.
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by oldcat70 on Apr 21, 2009 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why is it ok for Pitino and the media...
…to report that Karen Sypher tried to extort money, but they will not report her allegations on Rick…?
It’s bullshit if you ask me…
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by vinceuk1 on Apr 20, 2009 11:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts exactly...
apparently they consider Pitino a more credible source, but if they are going to let one person give their side of the story, they should be obligated to let the other give theirs as well.
The Spork, I'm two things in one.
by the spork on Apr 20, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There could be several reasons ...
… the most obvious being because Pitino’s statement was easy to verify by talking to the FBI, who acknowledged that Pitino contacted them.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Apr 21, 2009 6:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because the media
Is protecting Pitino. That is the only reason I see at this point and if I am wrong, so be it.
by kykat51 on Apr 20, 2009 11:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I am sick
About this whole thing. I hope the whole story materializes somewhere and it can be put to rest for the good of both families concerned.
by kykat51 on Apr 21, 2009 12:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree kykat, but I'm afraid this thing has some serious legs, and will be in the public ...
… consciousness for some time to come.
by Ken Howlett on Apr 21, 2009 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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