Kentucky Basketball: PM Update
by Glenn Logan on Apr 2, 2009 6:47 PM EDT
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Well, the dominoes are falling one after another. Kentucky Sports Radio is reporting that Michael Avery, the 8th grader that committed to Kentucky last year, has rescinded his verbal commitment to UK. As if that weren't enough, Dakotah Euton has also apparently decided that Coach Calipari's style is not for him.
One thing we know for sure -- Calipari's style of basketball is not conventional in the least, and I think what we are seeing here is a lot of kids realizing (probably with some words of wisdom from the coach) that the Dribble-drive Motion Offense is not the kind offense you can play if you are slow of foot, a post-up player or a spot-up shooter. This offense requires you to be able to get your own shot and take your defender off the bounce. Can't do that? Either go elsewhere or prepare to watch a lot of good basketball from a really good seat, but don't expect to play at Kentucky.
New coach, new style, new Kentucky. How will this all shake out? I don't know, but I do believe that Josh Harrelson is very likely to be the next domino to fall. Do I want that to happen? Well, only if it is in the best interest of both the player and the school, and both parties agree that is so.
One thing we can be sure of -- there will be no seniors leaving, or transferring. That leaves really five players who could decide their interests are better served by changing schools:
- DeAndre Liggins
- Josh Harrellson
- A.J. Stewart
- Darius Miller
- Patrick Patterson
Now Patterson may go pro, but there is no way in Hell he is going to transfer. I'd be very surprised if Miller did not stay, which leaves Liggins, Stewart and Harrellson. Of those three, based on what we have seen with the future recruits it looks to me like Harrellson is the most likely to decide that Calipari's system is not for him. Stewart and Liggins are likely to want to give it a try, and KSR also says that Calipari is going to hold a practice, presumably to evaluate the rest of these guys and tell them how it is likely to shake out.
Some more news and links of interest:
- Vaught says Calipari at Kentucky is no fool.
- The Calipari Effect.
- Heh. Some people just don't get it.
- The C-J on UK's recent recruiting losses.
- Jon Hood isn't going anywhere, and his foot is much better.
- Neither Meeks nor Patterson make the Wooden team.
- Patterson is still undecided about his future.
- UK Wildcat Country thinks Pat Forde is on the hunt for Calipari's scalp. Calipari mentioned at his press conference that it would be an NCAA violation for him to recruit any Memphis commit who has signed an LOI. I'm not sure what all the fuss is about.
- Well, you knew this was coming. I'd be willing to bet that Calipari will do a better job fielding this question than Jim Calhoun did.
- John Pelphrey had no comment when asked about UK's hiring of John Calipari yesterday. That's interesting ...
- Heh. I wasn't even remotely aware of this.
- Don't be a hater.
- Don't go, Brucie. We wanna make you cry.
- Heh.
- According to Mark Story, desperation drove Kentucky to Calipari. He may be right.
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Kinda of sad for them...
Probably the best thing though.
I’m sure they all wanted to wear Kentucky blue. Best of luck to them, I hope they find success.
Not sad.
What would be sad is for them to have a UK career like Jared Carter.
That would be unfortunate.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
Consider for a moment...
that their dream may be to play consistently, contribute to a team effort and grow into a leader. If so, it is quite feasible that those dreams can be better realized elsewhere without the need for “Kentucky” across their chest.
You have it exactly right ...
playing regularly and contributing to a team’s success is better than sitting for four years. The kids at all levels play hard and take pride in their teams and wins. Competing for a championship at any level is something to take pride in.
Can't wait
to see the Coach Cal style of play at UK. Too bad Harrelson if you feel you can’t cut it and whoever else may go in attrition. After seeing the pitiful ball handling and turnovers this year, I say adios.
I don't know if he feels that.
I am speculating based on what Calipari said. Harrellson may not want to go, and I expect if he doesn’t, he won’t have to.
But my suspicion is that he will.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
Hey Tru
With all the committing and decommitting going on around here … maybe a running talley of who has said they will go elsewhere, who is reconsidering coming to UK and who we are in the mix for would be helpful…. What’s the talley now as far as scholarships to give and so forth??
I’m so confused – I know we have Jared’s to give but, beyond that it’s hard to tell what has transpired.
Thanks for making this site great … enjoy your writing – keep up the good work.
Not Tru, but
Right now, I think Kentucky is potentially in the mix for (for next season only): Demarcus Cousins, John Wall, Xavier Henry, Lance Stephenson, Eric (?) Bledsoe (iffy)
Confirmed leaving the current team: none
Asked out of LOI: GJ Vilarino
De-committed from verbal commitment: Konnor Tucker (JUCO transfer), KC Ross-Miller, Dakotah Euton, Michael Avery (with the exception of Tucker, the other three could recommit at a later time
Wavering: Dominique Ferguson
Current Gillispie commitments that are still leaning UK as of today: Daniel Orton, Jon Hood, Vinny Zollo
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
Just to clarify (and I did this in the last thread)...
Euton has decided to re-open his recruitment. He has not stated that he will definitely not go to UK.
However, I doubt he will end up at UK.
Liggins
This kid can profit immensly from the Calipari style of play.
It’s his style as well! As a streetwise Chicago kid he flourished in just such an invironment.
The above plus his status as BMOC while in HS put him at a decided disadvantage in the previous KY system.
Look for a huge improvment here—-if he chooses to stay.
WLEX did a thing on another big man tonight. This Cousins kid may be a huge piece of work since he has yet to pass either his ACT or the SAT.
Liggins Has Talent
His grades are ? right now.
by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 2, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
All for the best
I think, for several of these kids, ending up at UK would be similar to kids who leave for the NBA too early. They never get any PT, their games never develop, and they’re out of basketball much earlier than they could’ve wanted.
If a player’s going to be stuck riding the pine at UK, aren’t they better off going somewhere where they can play, and potentially get better?
The players most likely to leave, to me, were all head-scratchers in the first place. When Clyde arrived, I thought he intended to go after long, athletic types (Liggins, Galloway, Miller) rather than static, ‘system’ players (Harrelson, Euton). Nothing against those guys, but I was surprised BCG offered some of the players he did.
The Avery commitment...
really got me scratching my head. We gotta a lot of flack for that one. I wonder if it added more fuel to the fire with Todd and Mitch?
I think when that happened initially ....
They were ready to defend and support their coach … but, I think under their breath they wished he hadn’t done it .. then as other things happened that brought negative attention …. like big blue madness/practice issue … they found it more and more uncomfortable and the pressure built …. Finally, I think they realized they had made a mistake .. I would have liked to have been a fly on the wall in some of the Barnhart/Gillespie meetings during the season…
Another Seinfeld moment
I was just reading the KSR thread on Euton’s de-commitment, and a commenter mentioned Todd Svoboda. This was followed by a number of commenters asking ‘Who is Todd Svoboda?’
Yes…I have found the Bizarro 40YearCatFan.
Not the same Todd Svoboda
who is in film? I think I have seen the film one and he looks different but I can’t recall.
On Seinfield...
…That person was “crazy” Joe Svaboda… (not really sure on the last name)
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
is that it...?
… lol … I didn’t know his last name, but I think that’s who they’re talking about…
Seinfeld rocked..!
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
This is an 'open' thread, right?
I just meant that a UK fan who doesn’t remember Todd Svoboda is the antithesis of 40 (and a number of other posters here, I’m sure) who could probably tell you Adolph Rupp’s favorite brand of socks.
Matt Pilgrim...
…Will flourish under the Dribe/Drive Motion offense…
Check out this video while at Hampton
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
Again ? Grades
Hope he passes this semester.
by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 2, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Forty...
…You made a list of players that “may” leave, but who are you “predicting” will leave…
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
No Idea
Enough to accommodate a few Memphis recruits and/or transfers.
by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 2, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the decommits of Vilarino and Ross-MIller
are a clear indication that Calipari is rolling out the red carpet for John Wall … I also liked the way Lance Stepheson was set to announce at the McDonalds AA game last night and then decided to wait and see what happened at UK. Do you think if Henry opts for Kansas that we might be able to land Lance? I think he would be perfect for DD system …
these are my favorite comments ...
is it you who thinks that he’d be good for the DDM or is it Calipari – you know, that guy that’s been recruiting him?
anytime you hear about grades ...
Don’t believe it. It’s against the law for the school to release his grades. only people that gave them, record them, or have to look at them to let him play know what they are.
I seen PTI "live" yesterday
And at first thought “april’s fools”,but the segment went on for over a minute,I thought WTF,this cannot be happening.
As far as perception goes,this morning on ESPN M&M,Mike Greenberg said UK basketball has not been relevent for a decade now.
Not relevant for A DECADE is a stupid statement
Last four years, that’s largely true, certainly in terms of the NCAA tourney. Two 8 seeds, an 11 seed, and an NIT trip = not nationally relevant.
But from 2003-2005, they had two #1 seeds and a 2 seed, with two trips to the Elite Eight. That’s “relevant” by any reasonable definition.
by WildcatFanInDC on Apr 2, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Wild Weasel Says Only FF Is Relevant
(He says) 1942-48-49-51-58-66-75-78-84-93-96-97-98 are relevant years at UK.
I’d add 1944-46-47-76 (NIT FF years).
by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 2, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
So the 1992 team was "irrelevant"?
And the team that went 16-0 in the SEC in 2003?
by WildcatFanInDC on Apr 2, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Relevant, Yes. Elite, No.
I would say the opinion of Mike and Mike fairly well represents those of the media and the majority of fans of college basketball. In fact in the last week of UK dominance of the news - even in the presence of the run up to The Final Four - that same perception (and you know what they say regarding the commingling of perception and reality) has been expressed numerous times. Now if one wished to take the literal meaning of relevant: applicable, germane, pertinent and apply it to D1 basketball then UK would qualify. Just as would Purdue, Arizona State, Tennessee, Syracuse, Wake Forest, etc., etc. However if relevant was used in the context obviously intended, i.e. elite, realm of royalty, top tier, select, then UK would be - as they have for quite a length of time - unranked.
Oh, sure
Obviously making the Final Four is a big signifier. Not making it in 10 years does put you a cut below other teams that have made it within that time span, certainly below teams with multiple trips.
But to make that the only criteria for “relevance” is kind of ridiculous. Duke hasn’t been to the Final Four since ‘04, and they haven’t really been seen as a threat to win it all in most of the time since then, despite being a 1 or 2 seed just about every year. But it would be stretching things quite a bit to say that they haven’t been “relevant” in the last 5 years.
by WildcatFanInDC on Apr 2, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Relevancy ≠ Success Or Excellence
FortyYearCatFan, as he is wont to do, misstates my contention. I would note two discrepancies: one, The Final Four, as it is presently construed, didn’t begin until the CBS contract was initiated in 1982 thus preceding years are, if you’ll pardon the expression, irrelevant; two I have never said that The Final Four is a measure of relevancy, however I have averred that it is the recognized standard of excellence for the greater world of college basketball and I stand by that. That UK hasn’t qualified for The Final Four in more than a decade in itself doesn’t render the program irrelevant but taken together with an excessive number of double-digit-loss seasons, extended unranked periods and a prolonged absence in the minds of elite recruits leads to immateriality.
Fair enough
I did agree upthread that the last 4 nothing seasons certainly fail to qualify UK for national relevance. And being irrelevant for that long does make any previous period of relevance quite a bit less…well…relevant.
by WildcatFanInDC on Apr 2, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha
Yeah, my dad called me freaking out. Eventually he realized what was going on, but we both got a good laugh out of it.
Tru - Wildcat Country
I think your lead meant to say Forde is on the hunt for Calipari’s scalp.
Slower Traffic Keep Right!
So, the 1998 National Championship game was on ESPN Classic this afternoon
I’ve had my dvr set for over a week for it, and I wasn’t even sure if I would watch when I set it to record (just because I didn’t know if it would pump me up or bring me down because I wondered how long it would be before we were back there), but you bet I’m watching it right now!!!!!
I have it on VHS aalong with the Duke game that same season
and watch them when I need a UK pick me up
Slower Traffic Keep Right!
Saturday at 10 am on Classic is the UK/Stanford '98 semi-final
dvr is set for that too, not the same as a national championship game, but that was a great game.
John Wall interview on KSR
highlights…..no true leader but is looking at UK….wants to make a decision by April 18
Slower Traffic Keep Right!
Don't know if I would want a one-and-done
to be a leader. I hope Cal keeps some year to year continuity with juniors and seniors being the leaders, ie. PPat next year.
"Leader"
I think what he’s saying is that there is no college that is the “leader” for his decision.
Not that he is or is not a leader himself.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
Mama Necessity
I was all set to do a Fanpost on the subject of Calipari waiting 6 days for the UK call in 2007 and what changed, you know, Necessity birthing Invention and all, and then this morning I read Mark Story’s piece and found I’d been preempted. Only thing in which I wouldn’t be in accordance is the word “desperation”, a bit over the top, but no doubt the Smith cum Gillispie fiascos did indeed induce Todd/Barnhart to go all in on the next hire.
Smith Fiasco?
GILLISPIE fiasco, without a doubt.
The fraternity brothers messed that up BIGTIME.
Thankfully Mitch turned to Mike Pratt for help this time.
by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 2, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank goodness.
Now that GIllispie is gone, not only to I have to read all your TUbby BS, but now get to read your anti-Gillispie posts as well.
I am so glad.
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Apr 2, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry
I shouldn’t have posted that. My apologies. Sometimes the things you post just come across as so rude. Gillispie is gone. Obviously it was not a good experience for a lot of people, bit you dont have to hurl a big insult any time someone mentions anything about him. You dont like him, we get it but do you have to be so ugly about it?
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Apr 2, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Gillispie wasn't a fiasco
I don’t understand what happened with him. I really don’t. But it wasn’t a fiasco.
Kentucky bretheren united once again! Thanks Cal!
Try to understand that
He seemed to “alienate” (and you can insert your own adjective here) everyone who got near him. I think Mitch tried, and probably in a nice way at first, to get him on the right track and then things just got worse and then kaboom!
he was a bad coach.
really, he was. Anyone who can’t admit that a 2-3 zone is occasionally necessary is a bad basketball coach. Since it recruiting really wasn’t all it was cracked up to be (Konner Tucker? WTF?) what were we going to keep him around for? His glowing personality?
Not a bad coach but couldn't coach the team at this level
Billy is not a bad coach. He got fired in year 2 of what we knew was a re-building phase. I have nothing to fault him with other than not being very media savvy. He played his way which worked in the past. Didn’t work here in 2 years.
He wasn’t want UK needed after Tubby. We needed the suave, media-friendly, winning guy that everyone loved. Mitch batted and whiffed badly.
He’s not meant for a big time program that needs extra high media and fan attention. Too much schmoozing. He’s committed to the just basketball mentality of every day 24 hours. That will make him successful at A&M and any other school. Just not here.
But he is not a bad coach.
Not a bad coach, but...
…I think he did a bad coaching job this past season. We all knew they didn’t have enough talent to contend for the title, but with two All-American caliber stars, they should have won the weak SEC East and gotten a mid-single-digit seed in the NCAAs. Underachieving as badly as they did has to be on the coach.
by WildcatFanInDC on Apr 2, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed, He lost the team...
and it happened in the sixth SEC game…..they never played the same after that. I don’t know what he did, don’t want to. But it is undeniable that the team played different from there on out.
I would like to know....
I have a feeling that’s when the players just said, “Forget it, we’ve had enough”
"Learned to love the Cats at a young age, via tape delay."
I think it was BCG's fears instead.
Something got in Billy’s head and he never got it out.
by thefakebillyG on Apr 2, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Who knows
I do realize that is when you could just see in the players eyes that they had had enough. I suspected months ago that this team was being battered behind the scenes. With all the talk about “players getting a good experience” and Cal talking it up about “This is about the players”. I suspect a lot more than we know went on.
"Learned to love the Cats at a young age, via tape delay."
Battered is a pretty strong word, usually used in describing abuse relationships.
No conclusive FACTS on this kind of speculation. BCG innocent until PROVEN quilty.
I think you're taking Pastor's use of the word "batter" a bit too far
No reason for us to get totally politically correct ’round here.
by thefakebillyG on Apr 3, 2009 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Using precise words to describe what you mean
is not politically correct it is just correct. Batter means to beat
with successive blows so as to bruise or shatter. This word is unproven, inflammatory and damaging to BSG
BCG may have ticked off the entire team about the time of the 6th SEC game and the team may have had enough. If that is the case, no doubt it had a negative effect on the end of the season.
Until CREDIBLE FACTS are revealed about BCG battering behind the scenes, let this man move on with his life without
nasty rumors.
You're the only one bringing up legalese of battering, man.
Exhale.
We’ve moved on. Nobody is saying hit bruised, beat, or delivered successive blows to anyone.
by thefakebillyG on Apr 3, 2009 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm happy in my own head.
It’s a late night addiction. What can I say?
I’m excited to actually be a student of “tradition coaches” again.
That story in SI detailing the history of the DDMO was cool. Now, I’ve been reading about Rupp’s old-school style of play…and the mark it had on the evolution of basketball.
If Cal’s offense (and his dream) works out at UK, we could be talking about success stories like Dean Smith, Bobby Knight, Coach K, Wooden, Rupp, (and yes, maybe even Patino during the 90’s).
This is going to be fun, guys.
by thefakebillyG on Apr 3, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Battered
You can be emotionally “battered”. As in emotionally beaten up. I think this may be a fair assesment of UKpastors point. Dont be such a stickler.
DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!
You don't think
the players confidence in themselves, their abilities and their coach wasn’t, “Bruised or Shattered”? I sincerely do. So, I think battered is a good word. If you don’t that’s OK.
"Learned to love the Cats at a young age, via tape delay."
UK Pastor
Thanks for your clarification. As I am sure you know, a persons reputation is gold especially under the bright lights on the stage of big time D1 basketball.
I do agree with you that something was not clicking with the team. However, if have ever coached you already know how fragile team chemistry can be, especially
a young limited team under the microscope in Kentucky
Billy did not handle himself as he shoud, but It is my guess we will never know for sure what happen behind the scenes.
Rumors
generally unverified facts that are told as truth. Believe me, I know about Gossip and Rumors. :) I simply stated what I SUSPECTED might be happening. It was a simple conclusion of the circumstances I was observing.
"Learned to love the Cats at a young age, via tape delay."
I agree with what you're saying...
At a time when they were 5-0 in the SEC, something happened virtually overnight and things changed drastically.
I originally called it a virus that coach caught, and it quickly became a contagious epidemic that spread like a cancer.
That’s bad.
Within that same week, you started to hear those calling for his j.o.b. His trust with the base was waining, and admin was never sold on him much to begin with.
It’s almost like the racial stereotypes of my east KY grandparents were right all along.
Funny thing.
by thefakebillyG on Apr 3, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Gillispie As Queeg
Only thing missing is ball bearings.
More to follow soon on Fanpost.
Rivals.com ranks the Mens college Basketball coaches...
Well I be, look who’s rated #1….
Only problem, he no longer coaches for “that” team… ;-)
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
Donovan
is the worst coach to ever win a title…..except for two years he has underachieved.
Kentucky bretheren united once again! Thanks Cal!
Kind of hard to win two titles if you don't know what you're doing
And they did also make the title game in 2000; I wouldn’t call that underachieving.
Calhoun is in his third Final Four this year, but before this, he had two Final Four trips (and two titles) in the roughly 20 seasons since UConn started to become a top-tier program around ‘89/’90. Donovan has accomplished as much in about half that time. So does Calhoun have a history of “underachieving”?
by WildcatFanInDC on Apr 2, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Take a look at his early exits ...
in the non-final four years. Also, he took top recruiting classes the last two years and managed making the NIT twice. But they were happy that they improved by one win this year. After returning 4 starters from the previous year, including Nick Calathes. If Nick goes to the NBA, the gators may be fighting Georgia for 5th place in the East.
He's definitely had some disappointments
No doubt about that. But three Final Fours and two national titles in an 8 season span is impressive any way you look at it.
by WildcatFanInDC on Apr 2, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't pull a forty...
and be blinded by statistics. Ultimately, history will look at that and say “He must have been a premier coach”. In actuality, he is a very good coach that caught lightning in a bottle. Not a great coach, a very good coach. I don’t think I’d go so far as to say he is the worst to win a title. I don’t think that is true…but I am very glad he turned us down twice.
Baloney
Donovan is an excellent coach.
He’s not Wooden, Rupp level. He’s not K or Roy Williams either.
But he is CLEARLY among the best coaches of his generation.
by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 3, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
It would be great ....
to see the Magic win the NBA and the Cats to win the NCAA with Coach Cal so Billy D could be asked “didn’t you have the chance to coach those teams?”
Good Players Make Good Coaches
Don’t find much with which to argue, might move Bill Self up due to the unexpectedly good season Jayhawks had: lost 8 players, 5 to NBA and still coached to Sweet Sixteen, although Calipari had similar success. Certainly confirms what Calipari said: 3 things make a good coach – #1 good players, #2 good players and #3…..
I noticed
That Bruce Pearl wasn’t in the top 25 ha!
"You are what you are and you ain't what you ain't"
I think this has already been said but...
Pearl said he would be back at UT next year.
That means the SEC East will be one of the premier coaches conferences in the country next year, throwing in Pearl, USC, UF, and of course, UK. Stalling’s ain’t a chump be no means either. And we’d all like to see Pelph at UA do much, much better in the coming few years.
Throwing Pitino, Pearl, Donovan, and Calipari into once close coaching rivalry will be healthy for all programs.
The coaching schemes, new offensive styles, the tradition, the fans, the unified support, the country’s best players, and more…
Why, we may have just landed on the best UK b-ball times since Rupp’s Runts, the Unforgetables, etc.
We might be looking at the perfect marriage that we’ve yet to fully comprehend yet.
And that’s saying something.
by thefakebillyG on Apr 2, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Pat Forde article
funny as screen doors on a submarine.
No...
currently the only scholarship free is the one Carter is vacating. We have to make room for basically everyone that comes in next with the exception of 1.
spork unclear
if I read your post correctly, how can both orton & hood both have LOI signed if only one scholarship is available for next season?
Pretty...
much set in stone that Williams is going to give up his scholarship. Someone else would have had to leave in order to get Vilarino in, but now that he isn’t coming, our recruits should be safe. I think most agree that others will transfer, by their choice or by Cal’s, in order to get a couple of Cal’s recruits in.
The scholarship situation was pretty tight next year, going to be interesting to see who’s coming and who’s going.
Recall Cal's Comment at presser on scholarships....
we will enter the fall with 12-13 on scholarship.
he will not mess around and he is not going to worry about honoring any scholarship commitment that is not his.
quite frankly, it is best for all concerned. this kids – while they do not get to wear UK blue – will be welcomed with open arms elsewhere.
existing scholarships a bit more problematic – but Cal will not sugar coat it….
Verbals are Verbals
Until a LOI is signed, “verbal commitments” are just so much BS. Some coaches use verbals from very young players to distract attention from the fact that they cannot get real right-now prospects to sign LOIs.
That's only technically true.
Practically, a verbal is binding on the school but not on the recruit. That’s just how it is, at least in basketball.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
True to a point...
Yes, its binding from a PR stand point…not a legal one. But think about this…. Have you ever heard of a player signing to play where he wasn’t wanted? From a practical standpoint all the coach has to do is say “We will honor our commitment to you, but unfortunately I don’t think you will ever have the oppourtunity to get much, if any playing time”. Simple, Direct, Honest. Players want to go were they can play 99.9% of the time, the rest walk-on.
Legally
a verbal contract can be binding. this could be considered a formal verbal contract.
Doubt it.
Statute of Frauds.
Yes, it’s for less than one year, but it’s so mixed-use, with public policy considerations, I doubt anything verbal is binding legally in this context.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
Not in this case.
The NCAA explicitly rejects verbal commitments as binding on either party.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
Dicky Beal
Verbal to DePaul.
Signed with UK.
To name 1 example.
by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 3, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Orton Near Certainty
“Right now, we are going to Kentucky.” So says Larry Orton.
I've never heard of such an instance.
But yes, as far as I know the transfer rule does not have an exception for a “revoked” scholarship.
As I say, I can’t recall ever hearing of a scholarship being revoked in basketball because of a player’s ability. Disciplinary, sure. Academically, sure. But never due to ability.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
Exceptions Granted Due To Hardship
Player’s parent becomes ill (Tyler Smith, for example).
by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 3, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Who knows. Might see it here
There may be some “ugly” short term events about to take place.
And we’ll say “revoked not due to ability but talents not pertinent to new offensive/defensive strategy”
orton in ddm?
i really really want orton to stay but hes a real post player, u know in a half court set hell get position in the low post, do u think theres room for that in cal’s fast paced offense?
The dribble-drive ...
has one big man down low as the dump-off option should his man go for the driving player. Coach cal’s main rotation had 4 players 6-8 or better in the top 9.
The dribble - drive ......
is explained here. complete with diagrams and video.
Coach Cal thinks he's good enough...
Orton’s father is quoted saying that Coach Cal visited the Orton home for over an hour already and “re-recruited” Daniel.
Coach Cal reassured Orton that he was good enough to play.
“How much?” Orton asked. “That up to you. It’s according to your talent,” Coach supposedly replied.
by thefakebillyG on Apr 2, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Pilgrim?
Tru,
You did not mention Pilgrim in the list of guys being evaluated. Is there something I don’t know?
Every time anyone mentions Pilgrim...
…I hear John Wayne’s voice from The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance in my head.
by WildcatFanInDC on Apr 2, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Pilgrim ...
… is already a transfer. I can’t imagine Calipari suggesting he transfer again and sit out another year.
Not gonna happen. He’ll be evaluated, but he isn’t going anywhere.
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Any news since the practice?
Still haven’t heard anything…
"...the sun shines bright on my Old Kentucky Home..."
Don't know
if someone posted it or not but Georgia hired Fox from Nevada to coach bball.
Kentucky bretheren united once again! Thanks Cal!
Awesome.
Thanks for the breaking news.
Now, let’s be good Cat fans and go dig up some well-researched dirt! ;-)
by thefakebillyG on Apr 3, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Here's the first article...
Comes from the AJC:
http://www.ajc.com/fulton/content/sports/uga/stories/2009/04/02/uga_basketball_fox.html
by thefakebillyG on Apr 3, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah...I don't know.
Seems like total mediocrity for UGA. Absolute speed-bump material.
“Fox fits the criteria UGA President Michael Adams and Evans set forth for a new coach. He is experienced and successful on the NCAA Division I level. It remains to be seen if he can compete in the rugged SEC East, where he’ll go toe-to-toe twice a year with Florida’s Billy Donovan, Tennessee’s Bruce Pearl and, now, Kentucky’s John Calipari.”
This hire, after talk of hiring Anderson from Mizz, is to admit irrelevance.
That’s just my opinion though.
by thefakebillyG on Apr 3, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm having a conversation with myself, but...
Billy Clyde might be a “good fit” at the now open Nevada position, huh?
I’d love to see him end up there.
by thefakebillyG on Apr 3, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I disagree.
Fox is a very solid hire for UGA. He is the kind of coach they need. Basketball is a woebegone sport there, and trying to get one the very best in the nation is just not going to happen.
Georgia has much further to go in basketball than almost any team in the SEC except for Ole Miss.
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But Ole Miss Has A Good Pilot Now
AK is a good, young coach who is recruiting well there.
Injuries to PG’s killed his team’s chances this year.
by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 3, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
From the ESPN article about the hire
Fox led the Wolf Pack to a 21-13 record this past season, including a 72-62 loss to Utah State in the championship game of the WAC tournament in Reno, Nev. Nevada lost to UTEP 79-77 in the College Basketball Invitational.
I’m sure he’ll have Georgia competing for NIT berths in just a few short years…
I don’t understand Georgia. It has always seemed to me that they should be perfectly positioned for basketball success if they just gave a damn. Atlanta is loaded with talent and the campus is gorgeous. The SEC will be playing all their games on ESPN next season. So many positives. Yet they routinely fail to put the pieces together.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
Georgia
I read this post on the Dawgs site the other day and it just made me feel sad.
http://www.dawgsports.com/2009/4/1/818751/a-layup-not-a-three-why-damon
I think that someone like Gillispie could really do something there. Its a shame it couldnt have been a possibility. The program described in that link sounds like the perfect “fix’er up’er” for BCG.
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Apr 3, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
This made me laugh
“The rejection was predictable. Now, rather than sulking and feeling sorry for himself, and rather than setting his sights on another cheerleader, that kid needs to ask the cutest junior in the band, in the hope that she’s at least somewhat in his league, that she will say yes, and that, once he’s been seen at the prom with her, the cheerleaders will start to take notice of him.”
Lets
positive thoughts for Memphis…….two of their top prospects signed new deals today. Not good for them.
Kentucky bretheren united once again! Thanks Cal!
Which 2?
No one can sign until April 15th.
by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 3, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, Gotcha
I’m wondering if Any Kennedy (Ole Miss) may get a call from Memphis?
by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 3, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he should
By all accounts he has Memphis recruiting ties. But at least one poster over on Red Cup Rebellion hopes “that his newly acquired "reputation” will scare away potential bigger-name suitors. But, perhaps that is some very wishful thinking on this bloggeur’s part."
http://www.redcuprebellion.com/2009/4/1/817881/andy-kennedy-to-memphis
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