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Kentucky Derby Festival Classic: Evaluating the UK Recruits

"How did my boys do on Saturday?"  Pretty well, Coach.

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"How did my boys do on Saturday?" Pretty well, Coach.

First of all, let me say that the Kentucky Derby Festival Classic was a fun game.  There were a lot of enthusiastic fans there, and if I were a recruit from any of the three main schools in the area, I would have been impressed by the atmosphere, enthusiasm, and overall support the fans gave to the event.

What I hope to do now is give you my impressions of seeing the UK recruits first-hand for the first time.  I think we all realize by now that all-star games like the KDFC are not really good for evaluating a recruit's game -- these things by nature are very guard-oriented, and a lot of the players wind up doing one-on-one stuff and crazy, highlight-reel attempts that they would never try in a college basketball game.  Even though they are competitive, it is hard to really believe that they care much which team wins or loses -- it is more about putting on a show.  Very little defense is played, as you know, but from time to time you see guys decide to dig in a make a stop.

But I think the biggest thing you can get out of games like this is a read on the relative athleticism and skill level of the player when compared to his peers on the floor -- how is his form on the jump shot, how does he handle the ball in traffic, is he selfish or unselfish, does his team perform better with him on the floor -- things like that.  Even then, I think you have to be very careful in drawing too many conclusions, but you can get overall impressions that, in the past, have served me pretty well.

So with all that said, here is what I thought about the UK recruits and signees:

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Daniel Orton

Daniel is big, much bigger than I expected, and very thick-bodied.  His legs are large and strong, and he is a well-proportioned young man for his size.  Orton did not look to score on anything other than a dunk more than three times all night.  He seemed more interested in passing the ball, and he looks to be a very good outlet passer.  Also, his hands are very large and he palmed the basketball with casual ease.

Orton was not in particularly good shape.  As most of you know, he has been injured for most of this year and rehabbing from knee surgery, and has had very few games back since being cleared to play.  His conditioning is clearly not up to par due to the long layoff, and even though he showed he could run the floor well when he wants to, he didn't do it much.  Stamina will be an issue with Daniel, as he is a very big, thick guy and uses a tremendous amount of energy doing everything.

Daniel did not use his size very well this game.  The few post-ups he did have were too far away from the basket for him to be effective, and although he showed a nice touch further from the basket, he did not shoot well other than layups/dunks in this game.  Orton looks very strong, but I think he needs more upper body toning -- I attribute that more to the layoff than anything else, but he needs to get in the weight room to polish off that upper body.

Daniel is extraordinarily deft with the ball for a man of his size.  He handles it very well and is a much better passer, talent-wise, than Patrick Patterson.  Orton is very intelligent in his game and seems to have more of a facilitator's mentality than a scorer's.  He showed the ability to finish with contact, which isn't really that surprising considering his physical gifts.  Orton runs on his toes much like Jodie Meeks does.  Orton showed terrific rebounding skills in this game, and a nose for the ball.

Overall positives:

  • Great size, big hands and strong body.
  • Excellent rebounder, and passer.  Terrific outlet passer.
  • Makes people around him better.
  • Unselfish and surprisingly athletic.

Overall negatives:

  • Does not use his size that well.
  • Needs to get better post position.
  • Conditioning is poor, and needs to buff up upper body.
  • Has a little Randolph Morris in his attitude -- not particularly aggressive for a man of his size and strength.

Jon Hood

I was very impressed with Jon Hood, not so much with his skills, which are excellent, but with his overall intelligence and leadership.  Jon was very vocal on the floor and obviously a leader.  He was in Orton's ear a lot, and other players as well, which is something you don't see that much in all-star games like this.  Jon is very confident in his abilities and is a fearless competitor.

What I liked about Jon is that he knows what his strengths and weaknesses are, and he has a surprising maturity and calmness in his game.  He is neither excitable nor nor dispassionate, but a very pleasant medium of enthusiasm and aplomb.  I would describe his game as "workmanlike and professional."  He is very long and likes to use that length to his advantage.

I think a lot of people see Hood as a perimeter player -- he isn't.  His game is remarkably similar to that of Darius Miller.  He likes the midrange game and taking the ball to the basket, which looks to be a really good fit in the DDMO that Calipari intends to bring to Kentucky.  Hood has a quick release for such a long player, and that is one of his negatives as well.  Jon's release is too quick, and isn't as consistent as it needs to be.  His form is really good, so his shot won't take much fixing, just fine tuning, really.  Jon has good lower-body strength and thick, strong legs, but his upper body is very thin and needs a lot of work.

Overall positives:

  • Jon is a leader, and it showed.  He has a great on-court demeanor and others naturally defer to him.
  • Hood is athletic and can do all the things you need a college wing player to do -- run, pass, shoot, finish and rebound.
  • Jon is a good ball handler and fearless competitor.  Can slash, shoot midrange or long range.  Has a nice, high, quick release.
  • Hood runs the floor like a gazelle, and never seemed to tire.  He is in remarkable condition considering he is just coming off a foot injury and hasn't played in about eight weeks.
  • Jon looks to me like he could grow another inch or two, and has a very controlled, professional game.

Overall negatives:

  • Jon needs to spend serious time in the weight room.  His upper body is thin almost to the point of being frail.
  • Hood needs to work on his release motion, it is a little to quick and flat for a man of his size.
  • Jon did not finish a couple of plays that he could have.  This goes back to his upper-body strength.

UK Recruits

Eric Bledsoe

Bledsoe is a solid, athletic point guard prospect.  He can penetrate and finish, and handles the ball with confidence and skill.  Bledsoe is a pure, pass-first point guard, and while he can get his own shot from the perimeter, he has shooting form that can best be described as a "work in progress."  Bledsoe did a good job of getting out on and running the break, showed good patience in the half court and did not try to drive the ball to the rim every time he got it like most of the other point guards.

Bledsoe has a mature attitude and is very team-oriented.  He wasn't about making flashy plays for himself, he concentrated on getting the ball to others for scoring opportunities.  Bledsoe is well-conditioned and is SEC-ready from a physical standpoint.  He is quick enough and handles the ball well enough to get a ton of minutes early in his career.

Overall positives:

  • Good handle, solid passing ability.
  • Excellent, well-condition athlete.
  • Finishes plays at the rim.
  • Rebounds remarkably well for his size.
  • Looks like he could be a good defender.

Overall negatives:

  • Jumpshot needs serious work.
  • I'd be concerned about his free throw shooting.
  • Needs to be a little more aggressive taking the ball to the rim.

Nolan Dennis

Nolan was injured, having some kind of tendinitis in one of his knees, and only played twelve minutes overall, so I really didn't get to see him play much.  I did get to see Nolan take a three point shot, which he made, and he has very good form on his jump shot and looks like he could become a deadly shooter from the perimeter.  I never did see him take the ball to the hole, and perhaps that was because of his injury, but I left with the impression that he is very much a perimeter player.

Unlike Jon Hood, Dennis does not have thick legs -- his are very slender, almost skinny.  He seems to be athletic, but his upper body strength (as with most college players his size) needs work.  Nolan looks like a poised and confident player, but that look did not really translate through to his game, again possibly due to his tendinitis.  I think Dennis really wants to come to UK if we can find a spot for him.

Overall positives:

  • Nice form on his jumpshot -- looks like he could be a great shooter.
  • Runs the floor well, even less than 100%.
  • Plays a heady game, very polished.

Overall negatives:

  • Did not show the ability to take the ball to the glass.
  • Seemed to lack a bit of confidence, but it is possible I was mislead by his injury and his demeanor, which is very hard to read.
  • Needs more strength all over his body.

OK, that's what I saw first hand.  As for the other recruits and commits, I was impressed by Raheem Buckles' tireless running of the floor and athleticism, Peyton Siva's smooth, polished game, Elijah Johnson's remarkable athleticism, Christian Watford's ugly effectiveness, Raymond Penn's deadly outside shooting, Jordan Hull's amazing crossover, Michael Snaer's size and speed, and Brendan Lane's ability to run the floor.

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Great write up. Thanks

Curious why would you consider it a negative that Nolan’s perimeter game looks polished?

by Oakie.myers on Apr 13, 2009 9:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Just a typo.

Thanks for pointing that out.

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by Truzenzuzex on Apr 13, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Tru....

I can’t wait to find out who’s staying and going next week.

by bluecrip on Apr 13, 2009 10:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

Great analysis. The differences you highlight-both positive and needing work- show the mix of players is so very important. Perhaps more important than the individual skill. I have always been impressed with Cal’s teams as players…not so much as the total team. He has had a few that meshed but again the early exits have been problematic. I am delighted however with the “riches” available for this next year and beyond. I thought a comment recently that high school players look to the coach and not the school was right on. The power however of our school and this new coach is making me a little dizzy.

I am as anxious about the current players as the incoming ones. I watched the other game. Cousins was hard to judge because of his fouls and the pace of the game. He walked back down the floor a lot…a lot. Wall was amazing.

I shuddered with the Morris comment. I remember that young man playing with his feet firmly planted. I am not sure they ever left the floor. If he did jump it was not apparent most of the time. . He never played his size or ability. His demeanor also drove me crazy.

by CAWebb on Apr 13, 2009 10:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Orton ...

… is much more athletic than Morris was. He just has that same kind of detached demeanor, or did in this game.

I have heard Orton has a bit of a mean streak in him. If so, it was not evident in this game.

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by Truzenzuzex on Apr 13, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tru, if he does have that mean

streak, is it in a good way or a bad way….can it be turned into something that Coach can harness

Remember, were having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 13, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Give me a raw Jamal Magloire

Over a polished Randolph Morris any day of the week!

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Apr 13, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Magloire In 1996 And 97 Was Raw

Morris In 2006 and 2007 was “polished” so I can see your point.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 13, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly my point

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Apr 13, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was just his all-star demeanor.

I’ve seen him in AAU play. He was less detached there, although he does keep a consistently apathetic facial expression. In the pick-up game after midnight madness last year, he and Pilgrim were going at it pretty hard.

Earlier in his high school career, he was seen as a guy who would get bent out of shape too easily if something didn’t go his way. I think he’s grown up, because I haven’t heard anything about that for a while. Still, he’s got some anger in his game.

by BBallSophist on Apr 13, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

From watching Orton in many interviews,

it is evident he has either much more native intelligence, or much more naturity (or both) than most of these teenaged/twenty-something athletes. Some don’t care about that, but I love to see that in a UK uniform.

I really hope he stays (IF we aren’t just going to sit him on the bench behind DeMarcus Cousins), and feel very sorry that a young man of his talent and intellect finds himself in this situation — being recruited over after committing a hundred years ago to the team of his dreams. Add that to the loss of his mother and the season-ending injury, and your heart just goes out to the guy.

by Ken Pomeroy on Apr 13, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly Ken,

Dont you think that Patterson takes his spot in the draft and we can place BOTH of these big men in a situation that gives them the best overall chance at succeeding, and at worst ONE of them or both split playing time for their freshman season??

Remember, were having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 13, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm still assuming Pat will stay the extra year.

And frankly, I don’t think it’s a close call.

Look at the facts:

He and his family have consistently said he wants to stay until he gets a degree, which will happen after this coming year.

His mother has made clear that Pat has been deeply hurt by so far being deprived of living out his college dream of making a deep run in the NCAA tournament — something the boy assumed would be a sure thing at UK (didn’t we all once upon a time?).

Coach Cal is assembling an All-Star cast to put around Pat and Jodie that will make a deep run in the tourney seem to be a sure thing. (Yes, we old farts know there is no such thing as a sure fire right to a deep run, but to these kids, adding the likes of Jon Hood and Daniel Orton and DeMarcus Cousins — not to mention Wall and Henry — to Pat and Jodie will smell like a Final Four in waiting, and I’m guessing Pat will find that irresistible.)

Also, let’s face it — Pat did not play up to his potential this year, for whatever reason, and I think he knows it. He has said many times that he knows that spending another year in school will improve his game significantly. That may or may not be an accurate prognosis (and it’s usually the case that the extra year helps), but we know that Pat believes it, and has said so many times.

When you add in the fact that in this case the extra year would be under the tutelage of a legendary coach who has worked for two different NBA teams, brought two different teams to the Final Four, coached some of the best from Marcus Camby right on down the line, won more college games in a four year span that anybody ever, including Rupp and Wooden, and is assembling what may be a team for the ages even as we speak, I can’t see Pat saying, “Okay, I guess I’ll just leave all that behind and take my chances since it’s supposed to be a weak draft year.”

I just don’t see it, and can’t imagine that Calipari is counselling it. I think it’s more likely he’s saying, “Pat, just wait ‘til we can show you what a real point guard can do to get you the ball. If you stay another year, they won’t even recognize you!”

by Ken Pomeroy on Apr 13, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Patrick did come back can you imagine what

that young man can do if he gets to rest some each half….doesnt have to worry about fouling out and missing the end of a ball game?

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by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 13, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hate to appear to be soliciting gossip, but

has there been any legitimate follow-up on the claims that Jodie’s season-ending slump was the product of BCG riding him about being selfish, and threatening to bench him if he continued to take as many shots?

Certainly over the last part of the season Jodie was no longer a go-to guy. Miller and Porter were the only guys making shots from the outside; I think I saw that Jodie was shooting 26% from 3 over the last seven games or so, and still taking a bunch of shots. Someone on another site claimed that he personally heard BCG go off on Jodie during one of the later games, telling him, effectively, that he would be riding the pine if he didn’t quit shooting and start passing the ball. (BCG was asked about that, and denied it, but…) And Jodie did get benched a few times there, for whatever reasons, at curious moments in those last games.

When I read that Jodie was “on the sensitive side” and did not respond well to BCG’s appeals to his manhood, etc. (shades of Derek Jasper), and especially when Jodie told the media that Mitch and Dr. Todd “made the right call” in getting rid of BCG, then I actually placed some credibility in these reports about his friction with BCG.

Has there been any serious inquiry into that? If it’s true that there was a pressure-filled disconnect between BCG and Jodie, it’s possible he could be looking at a much more consistent year in 2009-2010.

by Ken Pomeroy on Apr 13, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The more and more I

hear this story, the more I am apt to believe it. It may have been that BCG was trying to get the other guys involved, but if it was, it is simply another way Gillespie did it wrong

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by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 13, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No serious enquiry, as far as I'm aware.

I’ve seen more than one convincing person claim that this was going on. I doubt we’ll know for sure anytime soon, if ever. I tend to think that there was probably some truth to it.

by BBallSophist on Apr 13, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I REALLY

hope you are right Ken. My children, (girls 13/8) cannot remember what it was like to see the 90’s Cats ( except on my video player) and both of them love the game so much. I have a 13 yr old that thinks she should be able to move the way Patterson does inside, but even she picks up on the fact that he had no help. She could see where double downs and low post sets were blown that would have made Patterson so much better. Never mind the fact that she could see him struggling with no inside help on offense. I would love to have a banner to share with my girls while they are young enough to enjoy it without any of the reservations we as adults put on the tournament and post season games. I remember the 78 championship and just knowing that there was no way we could be beat by anyone….( youth and inexperience talking). It is a feeling I would like for them to have

Remember, were having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 13, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, you bring back the memories!

Although I have been in North Carolina now for a quarter century, I well remember what a thrill it was in high school when Rick Robey and his girlfriend wandered in to the Baskin-Robbins where I worked in Madisonville. (Yes, the same high school that later gave us Travis Ford and Jon Hood). I thought he was really visiting royalty, and the teams from that era and just before are still my favorites.

Before you get to feelin’ too sorry for your girls, think about mine — they are 11, 13, 17, and 20, and live here in Carolina where all they hear is Duke this and Wake Forest that and Chapel Hill the other. All of their friends root for these ACC teams, and my girls — who have never lived in Kentucky except to visit the grandparents — still wear their UK stuff into the midst of this ACC lion’s den. They get all kinds of ribbing and suffer all kinds of taunting from these ACC types, and the bottom line is that for ten years I have been telling them to hang on, that our time is just around the corner.

The shame is that they have never personally known ANY glory years. They’ve suffered through both Duke and North Carolina championships, but to them, even the name Pitino is an artifact from another age.

I have told them once again to hang on, and this time I truly do believe that the cavalry is actually comin’.

by Ken Pomeroy on Apr 13, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually Ken,

I think I just feel sorry for you having 4 girls….lol….I had to buy a dog to have someone to talk to and I only have 2. Congrats though, you have earned my respect on a completely different plane for retaining your sanity. Man in your situation should have himself bronzed for getting all 4 of those girls through life. And I saw highlights of this Wall kid over the weekend. I thought everyone was just blowing smoke about this kid being the second coming . I was wrong….dead wrong….have seen nothing like him at this level. I am really kind of amazed that someone hasnt found a way for him to go straight pro. Absolutely phenomenal.

Remember, were having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 13, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ken I agree with Allbkue

I raised 3 young ladies. All married now. You will need a lot of understanding. I salute them for wearing their Blue in Carolina country. They must be outstanding young CAT fans. They have been raised well!

Happy Days are here again The sky is all ways BLUE again Happy days are here again !

by oldcat70 on Apr 13, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That should

have been ALLBLUECAT

Happy Days are here again The sky is all ways BLUE again Happy days are here again !

by oldcat70 on Apr 13, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Still got it wrong

ALLBLUCAT ! finally

Happy Days are here again The sky is all ways BLUE again Happy days are here again !

by oldcat70 on Apr 13, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Orton as a freshman

As Tru says, he’s still out of shape and he never was considered a “one and done” type. Bring him in and let him get some decent minutes as a freshman and let him develop. As a sophomore after Cousins and Patterson are gone, he can take his place as the dominant big man for the winningest program of all time.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Apr 13, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Someone commented somewhere

that Cousins played in a Morris-esq way in the Nike game. . .

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on Apr 13, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For those who attended or watched:

Did Orton get an appropriately enormous welcome from the crowd when announced, showing that we still want him?

by Ken Pomeroy on Apr 13, 2009 11:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh, yes.

UK fans were very supportive and vocal. When he went out with four fouls, there was a huge applause for Orton.

I can’t imagine that any more support could have been possible from the Faithful that were there.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Apr 13, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tru

I sent you link by email. Don’t know if you have had time to read or had seen before. I would had posted here but wasn’t sure how to do it. Good read!

Happy Days are here again
The sky is all ways BLUE again
Happy days are here again

by oldcat70 on Apr 13, 2009 12:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks.

I will definitely do so.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Apr 13, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Tru

for putting up the Xavier Henry post. I don’t know the writer but He seemed knowledgeable.

Happy Days are here again The sky is all ways BLUE again Happy days are here again !

by oldcat70 on Apr 13, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hood = Singler

Is it too optimistic to say that Jon Hood has Kyle Singler possibilities? Their play in HS All-Star games has some similarities although Singler was a couple inches taller.

by Wild Weasel on Apr 13, 2009 12:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

WW

I saw on a couple of your posts the word “slingbox”. Tell an older member just what that is. Thanks

Happy Days are here again The sky is all ways BLUE again Happy days are here again !

by oldcat70 on Apr 13, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How 'bout Whirling Dervish?

That’s one from our era that the young ’uns never heard.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 13, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Forty

I’m surprised no one asked.

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by oldcat70 on Apr 13, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Slingboxes...

are something you use to watch your tv from another location, via internet connection. So if you’re out of town or just not at home you can watch whatever is on your television over the internet. I had heard about them a long time ago, but never thought they actually caught on.

The Spork, I'm two things in one.

by the spork on Apr 13, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

I’m electronics challenged!

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by oldcat70 on Apr 13, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A Bit More Specific

I live outside the US in a couple of different Latin American countries and thus TV service is a bit limited. Arranged for SlingBox at 3 different US sites: NYC, KC and Hilton Head. Each of those sites has SlingBox hardware connected to a TV and a computer thus I can watch anything they receive at any time on my computers, and US TV does not have to be powered up. My computer is connected to flat screen TV but usually watch on monitor except when I want to DVR. Video quality is better than expected but no HDTV of course.

by Wild Weasel on Apr 13, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are...

you able to get the local Kentucky channels?

The Spork, I'm two things in one.

by the spork on Apr 13, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Slingbox

great for overseas travel.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Apr 13, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, kinda sorta.

They have a roughly similar game, although Singler’s is a bit more perimeter oriented. Hood is not as good a shooter as Singler, but they have a similar type of build and athleticism. I suppose you could call Hood a poor-man’s Singler.

Hood brings a lot of intangibles to the floor, and I think he will be a very good player at Kentucky. I would say that I’m not sure if he will ever be as good a shooter as Singler, though, although I think he will be a better ballhandler.

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by Truzenzuzex on Apr 13, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Singler

I haven’t seen Hood play at all, but based on your description of his play I think you are doing him a disservice with the “poor man’s Singler” label. I’ve seen Singler a lot and he’s not nearly as great as the hype suggests. He’s a good player, and he does shoot and do some other things well, but he’s soft, a poor sport/baby, and he can easily be taken out of a game mentally by an aggressive, physical defender. None of those things sound like they can be applied to Hood based on what I’ve read.

I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra

by JLeverenz on Apr 13, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are we allowed to have guards that

are intelligent and can still shoot….I thought they outlawed that for us last year after Meeks hammered UT

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