Morning Newspaper for March 9th, 2009
Today's big news in the SEC is that Alabama pulled off a last-second defeat of Tennessee yesterday in Knoxville. The Vols were flying pretty high after clinching the East, but Alabama came to play, and stuck another bad loss in the Vol's eye. The SEC East this year is a train wreck. Nobody has been immune from the bad loss or the unexpected upset.
In other NCAA news, North Carolina handed Duke another loss in Chapel Hill. There were virtually no upsets in college basketball yesterday, something we haven't seen in a while.
Now, for the news.
Kentucky Basketball News
- Advice for Kentucky basketball fans -- start paying attention to football! Heh. Not bad advice, really. Good news that Moncell Allen will apparently be back, after having let his academics slip. Derrick Locke is apparently practicing in non-contract drills.
- Andy Staples doubts if UK will overreact and fire Billy Gillispie. So do I. Very much.
- The Nashville City Paper mocks UK basketball. The hardest part of putting up with a season like this is having to read sportswriters taking shots at you when you're down. When the pendulum swings the other way, I am planning a virtual orgy of schadenfreude.
- Guy Smiley dubs this UK team the Unwatchables. We've heard this one before, guy. How's about something original?
- I saw this article yesterday. It made me laugh after I swallowed my gorge. Jeez.
- Danny Jett reminds us that this is the thirty-year anniversary of our last NIT appearance.
- John Clay says that Gillispie might not be a lock for next season. He says that his gut isn't sure Gillispie will be back.
I am more sanguine, but John raises a very good point. This UK team is obviously not having any fun out there. Now, that's not too surprising -- if they were having fun losing, I might question the coaching even more than I do. But I think the apparent cloud that has sunk over this team's collective head is part of the reason they are playing so badly.
The SEC Tournament will be a quick read on how well Gillispie fills the role of the psychologist. If the team is tight going into its first game, we can safely assume that he has not filled it well. Coach Gillispie must get this team to relax and have fun, or the post season will be over quickly. - Value Added makes the case for retaining Billy Gillispie. I wouldn't call his case compelling (#4 is completely ridiculous, #5 is true but doesn't tell the whole story), but he makes some good points.
- There are fewer questions in this story than observations, but that's okay. He makes some very good points, but none of them are exactly revolutionary.
- I don't find Meeks' alleged comments to Ray Shipment about being told not to shoot all that curious -- it seems obvious jodie was trying to play a head game with Shipman. What makes me scratch my head are the number of fans apparently willing to chalk it up to Meeks trying to sabotage the game. Note to Jodie -- these are the times when you find out who your friends really are.
- Kentucky has found no solutions to the same old problems. I have no clue what it will take to turn this team around, but my guess is about a four-month break.
- Glenn Guilbeau ranks Gillispie 5th out of the SEC basketball coaches, calling it a "questionable hire." Hindsight is always 20/20, but I do think he has the ranking about right, and I would add a down arrow by his name until he shows me otherwise.
- Matt Jones has a conversation with Patrick Patterson's mom. Interesting. I see nothing particularly revealing either way in this interview, and I am glad she and Patrick are fans of Kentucky. But I will say that her conversation with Barnhart does not look like the kind of conversation UK fans would want her to be having, and does not make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
What is clearly absent from this interview is the assertion that Patrick will graduate from UK, something we have heard repeatedly through third parties from his parents. I actually think this is healthy -- If Patterson's draft status is solidly in the first round, I believe that he should very seriously consider making the jump. I don't want to lose him, and I think we could have a very good team if he comes back next year, but I am convinced that the interests of the young man are not best served by my wishes. He should do whatever is in his own best interests -- Kentucky will be fine either way. - Jerry Tipton -- the optimist? Who knew?
- Kentucky and Gillispie have problems. Yeah, you could say that. There are some good questions in there, too, and so far we have precious few answers. Well, we definitely do know the answer to "Why doesn't this team play any zone defense?" Gillispie has answered that one ad nauseum. I just wish people would quit asking.
Other Kentucky Sports News
- Kentucky tennis team loses a heartbreaker to the Gators.
- A decent article at the Bleacher Report about Kentucky's football outlook for next year. I didn't know that Kelley had a shoulder injury that needed surgery.
- UK softball drops the rubber match in a series against LSU.
- Rich Brooks named to the Northern California Sports Association Hall of Fame. Congratulations, Coach.
NCAA Basketball News
Other NCAA Sports News
- What will NCAA sanctions mean for Bobby Bowden's legacy? My answer: He stayed 3 years too long at FSU. Hubris will get you in trouble, sometimes ...
Other News of Interest
- A review of the Laettner/Pitino ad in the NY Times' Quad.
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the Jodie comment…………LOL! I didn’t even think about that till last night! Seems we may have made a big thing out of nothing. That cracks me up. You are probably right.
I have to strongly disagree about Patterson mom’s interview. I think it speaks volumes. If a players mom doesn’t know the direction of the program(especially this mom who is so close to her son) then that to me tells me that there are questions that need to be addressed. I think also she talks about next year and all that. I am getting a sinking feeling that she doesn’t know if BG will be here next year. I don’t know if she wants him to be here(and mentions that because she is afraid he will get fired after this) or that she wants him to leave. Still though, I am very disturbed by her interview and not so much because of the issue of Patterson leaving but the fact that one of our two best players parent doens’t know what is going on. That tells me that Patrick doesn’t know either. That scares the stew out of me. I think of anything that has come out, this is very telling of the status of Kentucky.
Oh and I talked to a long time kentucky friend last night and he said something to me that has me thinking…….he said “you know if Casey speaks out against the Coach then that is not good because he has never done that before”. Just wondering your thoughts on that.
I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!
Basketball Times
Had a snippet this month that didn’t identify the SEC player (BT said Likely Lottery Pick) and Mom but it hinted at much the same thing. I don’t know if the BT writer was talking about Patterson or not.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 9, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Coaching
Just thinking, what if BCG doesn’t perform next year…what are your alls opinion on Pelphrey back in the bluegrass coaching us?
Pelphrey Not Ready For UK Level
The UK coach has to be an experienced winner at high Div I level of play.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 9, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm Not sold on Pelphrey
I love that he’s a former player, but I don’t think he’s ready for UK yet.
I really like Sean Miller at Xavier. I would take him in a heartbeat IF CBG were to resign or get fired.
GBB!!!
I don't understand the Pelphrey love (Well... okay I do... but not as a coach)
The man never set the world on fire in the Sun Belt conference. Heck, Darrin Horn did better against the same competition at WKU. He has had two arguably worse seasons in the SEC than Gillispie.
Pelphrey is not our savior.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
I think
that we just love our John Pelphrey. If he could turn this program around then what story that would be, but I have to admit that I am not on that bandwagon anymore. JP has not proven himself. I do think he will but he is not the coach that can bring instant change to UK. That is what we need. We need our own Houston Nutt. I keep saying this but knowing someone who plays on that team for Ole Miss, this guys changed the attitudes of the players in one season. That is what we need. And yes I am off the Billy bandwagon. I just don’t think its going to work.
I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!
Forty is right
We need a coach who has won significant championships. Plural. At this point, Ford, Pelphrey, Horn (and any other sentimental favorites) haven’t done it.
Barnhard needs to take time to find a coach who wants to come here and who has a solid record of conference championships and NCCA tourney wins.
The only coaches who fit that bill currently (and aren't already at a "blue blod" program)
Would be Izzo, Donovan, and Calipari.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
I agree
If we were in a position to be searching, we could do far worse than the guy who replaced Ben Howland.
I would have mentioned him, but he didn’t fit the criteria above. (“Barnhard needs to take time to find a coach who wants to come here and who has a solid record of conference championships and NCCA tourney wins.”)
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
Yes, Izzo Or Calipari Type Coaches
Pitino was FF in 1987 and NBA playoffs in 1989 so he was equivalent.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 9, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Having fun in the tournament
You know, if we want the players to have some fun in the tournament I think I would tell them to scrap the offensive game plans/sets/whatever from the regular season and just go out and play a pickup game (offensively). Tell Meeks, Harris, Porter, Miller, Stevenson, Patterson to bomb away from 3, try ridiculous passes, and shoot with 31.4 seconds still on the shot clock. Who knows, maybe it works. If it does then the next game get back to the regular season style and see if it helped – they’ve got nothing to lose.
Also, I wasn’t aware Rich Brooks coached basketball. Hmm… < wheels in head begin to turn >
I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra
I've got tickets to the games...
and would love to see them do that!! At least the game would be entertaining. As things now stand, watching the Cats run their extremely complex offense—you know, the one where Porter dribbles the ball up the court and then, as if he was wearing a shock collar and the free throw line (from sideline to sideline) contained an electric fence, throws the ball around the perimeter (while the defense just stands there conserving its energy) until someone either forces a pass into Patterson or gives the ball to Meeks with 1 second on the shot clock so he can jack up a desperation three….that complex offense.
I'm gonna have to call bull on this
I’m sure it sounds fun and we’d love it if it works, but dont pretend if Gillispie did that and we lost every UK board and blog wouldnt be calling for his head and spreading all sorts of slander. I’d like to see our team move faster and produce more on offense too, but if Gillispie just sent them out to have fun and it failed yall would be blue in the face yelling about him not preparing our team
I disagree (at least for this blog)
Some would do exactly as you say… however, I think the rational among us aren’t upset that we’re simply losing… we’re upset that we’re losing and not changing anything. If Gillispie were to show the ability to try something new, I think most around here would salute him for it.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
We can agree to disagree
I know that discussion around here is far more civil and thought out than any other UK blog I’ve read, but if Gillespie were to just kick the offensive schemes and tell the team to have fun, it would certainly make for a good story but would likely fall flat on its face and we’d all be mighty upset that his ingame strategy didnt carry the day.
I understand its frustrating to try the same old plays and see the same failure to execute, but with the way our team has failed to communicate on the court, I just dont see this team coming out and producing a fast break, crazy-shot, wacky-passing offense that can win. More likely, we would increase our production from the ol’ turnover factory and the team that prepared and put in the work before the game would win
As
bad as I dislike Cal(and don’t want him to coach at UK) that is what he did with Memphis. After the horrible year that they had in 2004 in think, he decided to let them play “their” game. He said that he learned one of the worst things you can do to a team is to slow them down. These kids are used to playing fast paced. We think more turnovers but all I have to say is look at Memphis record the last four years. In two wins, this class of seniors will be the winningist group of players in NCAA history. Yes they have conference USA, but the SEC hasn’t been much better the last two years. I think its something that we need to think about or the coach does.
I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!
Agreed
I don’t dislike Calipari and think he would be an excellent hire for UK.
I
want someone who will embrace Kentucky for what it is. Cal will not do that. Pitino did that wonderfully. He was able to embrace Kentucky at the same time of making sure people knew that it was HIS team. Cal has been great for Memphis. But the media hate him. Alot of the older Memphis fans don’t like him but they do like the results. I want someone to light up the fanbase and the program. I thought BG would do that but he is degressing. Not just game wise, but in all aspects of BBN. The media, fans, and players. He has this short window to turn it around. Honestly if he doesn’t then I don’t think we will see him next fall.
I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!
The media hate him?!!? Really? Do you watch the same ESPN as I do????
They fawn all over him.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
I could care less about local media
Its the national media that gets kids from LA, Detroit, Chicago, Atlanta, and New York salivating about playing for substandard programs like Memphis.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
Understand
that I am not debating you on media relations here. I stated a fact. The media in memphis hate him because he is rude and arrogant. If BG is getting grilled because he is that way, then it won’t change if Cal came. And by they way it looks like he has the number one recruiting class in the country this year.
I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!
memphis media not as bad
as it used to be – winning has a way of changing things. media gives him the benefit of the doubt more than they used to. also, cal has gotten involved in the community.
the problem with cal is the problem we have with BCG – it takes time. cal went to NIT several years in a row before starting his runs in the ncaa.
also the criticism of cal is the same that bcg is getting – only plays man to man, held back team. it was only when he let them run that things opened up.
living in memphis, i did not want cal going to uk when they hired bcg. recently, i have softened on that a bit.
still – it will take time with whoever
by memphis wildcat on Mar 10, 2009 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Calling All UK Statisticians/Historians
Where does this year’s team rank, all time, in turnovers? I can’t recall another year like this one and was wondering whether any of our internet historians might have (or at least know where to look for) the answer.
As for a potential coaching change, I agree with Tru and several other members on this site who believe that a change after only two years will likely do more harm than good. HOWEVER, if word leaks out (from reliable sources) that Gillispie has lost the respect of his team, and that they are no longer willing to lay it on the line for him, I think UK has no choice but to fire him and cut its losses.
Anyone see the ESPN “Total Access” snippit on UK before Saturday’s game? I found it quite interesting that one of the assistant coaches, rather than Gillispie, was going over the game plan and giving the pre-game pep talk. Anyone besides me find that a bit odd?
I think...
assistant’s normally cover the scouting report with the team and it looked like a scouting report session on the ESPN snippet.
What really bothered me about the snippet was that Coach looked awfully uncomfortable with his own team, both at the locker room speech and during the on court practice. I think he has not gelled with these players. Some of the interactions between Liggins and Coach have been painful to watch this season and not having an upperclass leader to help police things has hurt.
I think it’s time to let them run too. Pull a VMI and tell them to shoot before they turn it over. At this point, I think it can’t hurt and let’s just have some fun.
Xbox Live Gamertag: hoopchi
Better to make a turnover via missed shot
than the myriad of other turnover methods we’ve perfected this year.
Concerned.
I am concerned about all the talk about who we need to get as coach. We have a coach right now. None of us are happy with the team or the coach right now but to blatantly start wishing for other coaches while we still have one is a recipe for a difficult season next year provided he is still here.
When the announcement comes that BCG is no longer the coach at UK, then we can start the wish list. It’s just premature right now. Let’s focus on what needs to happen to right a ship. I still remember how encouraged I was last year at what this coach got out of that team with all the injuries and an arguably more difficult SEC conference. I still think he can coach. Maybe he just lost his way this year. If he had elite talent, he could lose his way and still win. Without elite talent, it’s pretty hard. For now though, we have a coach and we have an SEC tournament to win and talking about who we should hire cannot help this team with this tournament in my opinion.
Xbox Live Gamertag: hoopchi
Agree 100%
and then some.
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 9, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Mrs Patterson Is Quite Concerned (So It Appears)
I’d think any UK fan would be concerned. The first 2 years are definitely in the wrong direction.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 9, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
How can you call last year in the wrong direction?
With several key injuries including Meeks, Patterson, Crawford and even Bradley out for games at a time, under a new coach with new plays and Jasper still in recovery mode? To go 12-4 in the SEC is not the wrong direction in my book.
Xbox Live Gamertag: hoopchi
18-13
Not the right direction at all.
5-7 in OOC play. 0-2 in postseason play.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 9, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely
Thats what I was saying earlier. Last year everyone was going on and on about how “special” that season was and what an incredible turnaround our team made.
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 9, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
One blip does not reverse a trend
We had one good stretch of 16 games in the midst of a four year “funk.”
Yes, last year was entertaining when we hit SEC play. Unfortunately, we are starting to see that may have been the deviation… not the norm.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
I'm sorry
I just dont see how you can claim deviation or norm with just two seasons.
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 9, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not declaring it in two seasons
I’m saying the current slump is part of a continuing trend that goes back a few years.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
Continuing Trend that goes back a few years
Well, at least we agree on that.
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 9, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't get me wrong...
Despite some of my apparent negativism, I still want Gillispie to win at UK. My girlfriend bought me a “In Billy We Trust” shirt early this year… I don’t want to throw that away!!!
Just wanted to clarify, I’d hate for our resident fairy princess to get the wrong impression of me. ;-)
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
Mental image
Just got a mental image of an angry Tink with some pixie dust towering over a kneeling, trembling chirop, who is begging “Don’t turn me into anything… unnatural,” a la Samwise Gamgee. Just thought I’d give you guys a glimpse into my weird mind.
No worries Chirop!
I really appreciate your comments – you are not overly negative and are very honest and upfront with your concerns. Plus you dont do that whole back and forth “Ross Perot” thing that I hate – ("I like him, oh wait, no I dont. Yeah, yeah, I like him again, oops, no, no, dont like him.) ;)
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 10, 2009 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Well... I did pull a John Kerry...
“I was for Billy Gillispie before I was against him.”
Ha!
I still support the coach and want to see him do well, I just have so many questions about seemingly inexplicable occurances on the court that make me have to question what he’s doing.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
15-3 In 2007
Pretty good 18 game stretch there.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 9, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Easy... it begins a trend
Excuses are irrelevant. Go to the page that’s been linked a few times with the “Race to 2000 wins” graph of the top five schools.
Kentucky’s graph for the last four years has been a sharply declining arc. I never look at one month of my office for performance, I look at trends. Sadly, we now have a trend to observe.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
The chart I was referencing
Can be found here.
Specifically look at the first graph in the article, Win Percentage vs Year.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
Jon Scott's site is so cool
There just aren’t enough words for how awesome it is.
I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra
Very concerned also
This talk of getting another coach reminds me of all the hate on the Card Chronicle with Kragthorpe who just finished his 2nd season at Louisville last season.
As I said before, I am very upset with our fanbase and the spewed negative remarks about Coach G and some of our players. I do not remember any such remarks about the football players on the CC, or I could have missed, if so.
What I am trying to say is that I do not want our fanbase to be like that when it comes to any sport at UK. I have always felt we were different in that category…but I guess not.
I
think what concerns me is the enviroment that the players are in. If it truly is the players and not Billy then I say he stays as long as he needs to. But he is creating a bad enviroment for the players and refuses to change then I have a huge problem with him.
I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!
Bad environment?
Please…most of these players came to UK with a scholarship and live in Wildcat Lodge and practice in the Craft Center.
If anything some have been spoiled by their parents from day one since they started playing basketball. I am sure most have all the tech gadgets they could want plus online access to anything.
I am a “tough love” parent from back in the 70’s. If these players cannot adapt to his philosophy, then so be it. Discipline is a tool as I am sure you know. If one can accept and learn from the same, one will be a better person.
Here, here!
Good comments, kykat! I’m sure you know that I stand firmly with you on the issue of such blatant negativity concerning a second year coach. I completely disagree with the idea that Billy has created a bad environment for the players – the “fans” are doing a fine job of creating that bad environment all on their own.
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 10, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
The same coach
That was SEC coach of the year last year still is on the sidelines for UK this year. The players stink. If you can’t see that, you’re watching the wrong sport. Time and time again we have wide open shots but no players that can score. Of course Billy G deserves another year, Tubby would have had a losing record over the past two years with these teams, no doubt about it. When you have players that can’t dribble, pass or shoot, it doesn’t matter who the coach is.
UK fans need to get a life. Blogs like these, media outlets and the like are full of haters who just want to rant about how everything sucks, fire Billy G, fire Mitch Barnhardt, bench this guy, get rid of this one. Players can say what they want, but they read some of this junk and it has to weigh on their psyche. Against Florida and Georgia you saw a team beat up emotionally that had no momentum. We are partially to blame for that. I hope Billy G stays(because he won’t be fired) and continues to bring in quality players. We haven’t seen a recruiter like him since Ricky P and if UK fans will quit acting like a bunch of brats, Billy G will get us to where we need to be. If it doesn’t get better in two years, then whine all you want, he’ll be gone by then anyways.
Now go ahead and start picking this apart or whatever. Whine whine whine, same crap just a different day.
Dude.
Spare me. Blogs are for talking about Kentucky, and the state of the program. If you don’t like them, don’t read them.
What do you mean “the players stink?” This is a team game. When the team loses, everybody loses including the staff.
As for UK fans being brats, well, that’s the way it is, and has always been.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
"Recruiter like him since Pitino"
Billy Gillispie can’t hold Rick Pitino’s jock strap when it comes to recruiting at this point.
Additionally, don’t kid yourself… we may not have enjoyed “Tubby ball”… but the man wouldn’t have had losing records the last two seasons.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
I Doubt That
The former UK coach had/has winning records in 2008 (20-14) and 2009 (21-9 so far) with MUCH lesser talented players than UK has. No one like Patterson or Meeks on his teams.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 9, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Playing nobody
As has been shown in the Big 10. We’ll both likely be in the same place, the Not In Tournament, tournament.
Not True
They beat several RANKED teams including Louisville this year.
Beat INDIANA last year.
Utterly false (as always).
His team is likely NCAA bound.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 9, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Regardless 21-9
For a team that was 9-22 in 2007.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 9, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I think they should be in the tournament too
But I stand fast that the Big 10 will flop in the NCAA’s. It’s bad basketball for the most part. No scoring, no play design, just boring stuff.
Ah... that's right...
I remember your “All offense, no defense” mantra last week. I still maintain that I’d take Ben Howland ball and three Final Fours over VMI ball and no tourney success.
It may be ugly, but it works.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
It was probably a good time out in most situations
It comes down to a judgement call: Let the team play it out? or Call the timeout and set up your play? This time it didn’t work out.
And the play designed at the end of the game reminded me of the end of several of our games recently.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
Playing nobody????
Their non-conference is just as strong as ours and according to Joe Lunardi’s latest Bracketology, the Big Ten may get 8 teams into the tournament.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
Correction
Outside of Li’ville, they’ve basically beaten nobody. VMI and UCLA are hardly comparable. Florida’s’ offense didn’t have much problem with them. As far as “it works”, seriously I can’t remember. When was the last time the Big 10 had a final four team? OK now I do, I think it was Ohio State a few years ago. Not much success out of that league in awhile.
I'm sorry
but I have to agree somewhat with Daniel. I am sick to death of reading all the negative “fire everyone” crap as well. Some people have gone from “Billy deserves another year or two” to “Oh just nevermind. This isnt working,” in the course of two games. Hate to say it, but the season was over before those last two games. It is really maddening for me.
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 9, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
No One Has Said "Fire Billy" But Any UK Fan Should Be Very Concerned
It looks like Patterson may go to NBA. Perhaps Meeks will follow him.
If 2009 isn’t an extreme disappointment, I don’t know why.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 9, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
2009
Ofcourse it is a disappointment, but its a choice in how you handle that disappointment. I happen to believe that there are many that are NOT handling it well.
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 9, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
He is "handling" it alot better than I would.
Take that however you would like.
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 9, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
That's what she said....
….sorry, I love The Office
I think he hasn’t completely caved under the pressure, but he hasn’t been able to deflect all of it either.
FIRE biLLY NOw!!11!!!
I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra
Don't Agree
He deserves at least 2-3 more years.
UK fans wanted a change. They got it. Now they need to STHU and accept whatever the change brings.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 9, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, I thought the alternative lower-case/upper-case letters and 1's mixed with !'s would give it away
I guess not
I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra
Yea
I am one of them. But still holding out hope that he proves people wrong this year. I think Patterson’ s mom quote sealed it for me. It tells me there is trouble there and I don’t like the feeling around this team. Its not the losing its everything around the losing. If he can fix it then great he is the coach for Kentucky, if not then he isn’t. I mean this year not next.
I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!
Somebody...
had a bowl of mean flakes for breakfast today, didn’t they?
By the way daniel81, I agree with many of your points, with one notable exception. If you think “we” (i.e. the collective Big Blue nation) are partially to blame for UK’s offensive woes this year, you are sadly mistaken. Last time I checked, “we” did not cause Porter’s slow foot speed, or Stevenson’s “hands of stone,” nor did “we” cause Liggins to play like a Kamakazi pilot just looking for an aircraft carrier to crash into. While decades of basketball excellence have certainly infused all of us with high (and often times unrealistic) expectations, “we” cannot possibly be blamed for this team’s losses to such basketball luminaries as Gardner-Webb, San Diego, VMI, and the tradition-rich Georgia Bulldogs. No, my friend, those losses land squarely at the feet of the players and coaches….not us.
True
But when we act like the sky is falling because we’re 19-12, it does have an impact. I think we could take a lesson from Indiana. They stink but their fans are still energetic. They excepted the fact their roster is poor and are just happy that their team plays hard. Most of our team plays hard, they just don’t have the talent. Florida beat us Saturday yeah, but they have more talent overall on their roster than us. So does South Carolina. So does Tennessee, heck, Vandy almost does. That’s just how it is. I hate it as much as anybody but it’s just one season. At least we’ll still have a winning record.
Lets not even begin to compare what Gillispie walked into and what Crean is dealing with
Crean’s situation is akin to the first year under Pitino when most prognosticators expected us to win 5 games. When Pitino went 14-14 that year, our fanbase was ecstatic too! And remember we were just a couple years removed from a Final Four then… its not like the fans had lower expectations.
Gillispie walked into a team that had been to the NCAA round of 32 the last two years. Had two senior leaders that were as good as anyone in the country. He signed one of the top big men in his class. Where Gillispie and the team is at today is 100% his doing.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
And that big man
Along with Meeks were out. Crawford and Bradley might have been highly touted, but they sure hadn’t shown it at UK until Billy arrived. All I fault him for is not recruiting a better pg after Jasper left and being a little bit too stubborn. But I can understand, finally, why he doesn’t spread the court and run. That takes ball handlers and we have absolutely none of those right now.
Beg To Differ
Both Crawford and Bradley had VERY good years in 2007.
Crawford and Bradley had GOOd years in 2006.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 9, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree here as well.
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 9, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Crawford and Bradley hadn't shown it?
Not true. Not even close to true.
Bradley’s stats from junior to senior year are almost identical.
Crawford actually had a better year as a junior in terms of rebounds, assists, fewer turnovers, more steals and more blocked shots. The only significant improvement was that he shot a higher free throw percentage and I doubt if Billy Clyde had much to do with that.
http://bigbluehistory.net/bb/statistics/Players/Crawford_Joe.html
You
just made me think of something………..stats are stats. Just numbers. But Bradley was a team leader last year and Crawford did none of the pouting he always seemed to do with Tubby. I even emailed John Clay when Joe got yanked at the first game and said “have you even seen Joe that mature before” and he replied that he also noticed the difference. That was senior leadership/example. We dont’ have that this year. Maybe Meeks can step it up and be that senior leader as well as Patterson next year.
I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!
Sorry You Missed 2006 And 2007
Both Crawford and Bradley played well.
Much BETTER in 2008 as seniors.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 9, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Confirmation bias
people tend to see what they’re looking for. Everyone was looking for something to give BCG credit for and jumped on Bradley and Crawford’s “improvement”. Maybe Crawford wasn’t pouting but the numbers don’t support the idea that either one was significantly better as a senior.
I wasn't "slamming" anybody
I make it a point to give credit where credit’s due. I get tired of people trotting out Joe Crawford and Ramel Bradley’s so called improvement as an example of what a great job the coach did last year when the facts just don’t support it. If you want to point out another example that you think supports the idea that his performance last year was extraordinary by all means do so.
now dan
I am not the only one who saw it. It was sportwriters at LHL. it was many fans. It was Joe himself saying that Billy was a blessing to his life. I am telling you that Joe not pouting is a HUGE factor. Joe was a poison on that squad before last year…..again Stats are numbers only.
Like Tru said before we are lacking leadership on the floor right now. Maybe that is the difference in what is going on. I have no idea. But if its true, then I think right there shows that Bradley and Crawford made a huge difference in our success last year.
I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!
ABSOLUTELY False
I know Joe Crawford and his parents (through Erik Daniels’ Uncle in Michigan).
He struggled as a freshman but WAS NOT a poison on the Wildcats of 2006 or 2007.
Pure baloney.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 9, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Stop the hate
I have been a UK fan for a long,long time.There is nothing like the passion that is KY basketball.I live in middle TN, but I’m from northern KY, Ft. Thomas, Highlands High school ( the original cake-eaters Forty) and no matter what happens the rest of this year,Cat Fans need to show some class. Living in TN for 30 plus years amonst fair weather Vol fans has reminded me what it is to be blue. This team is average at best, but they haven’t quit like the vols did in Lexington a couple of weeks ago. And look at how quick they rebounded (except for saturday) We have a chance to make some noise in the SEC tourney so lets stop whining and support this team. GO CATS!!!!!!!!!
Agreed > HHS Are The ORIGINAL Cake Eaters
Fort Mitchell became Kenton County version in the 1990’s when BHS started to excel in football.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 9, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Jealousy of the Bluebirds lives!!
And I love it, being a proud alum.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
Sheesh!!!
HHS grad AND Louisville fan!?!?!
(Politely) yuck!
J/K – the Bluebirds are as good as it gets.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 9, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
If it makes you feel any better I was heavily 'recruited' by the X swim team.
But decided to stay at Highlands where we won a state championship and I won a couple of events….of course that was many years & pounds ago :)
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
I'm St X Grad '69
Bombers are the best swimmers around.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 10, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Ah... I was confused when you said you won a title...
Because St. X has won every title since 1990 unless I’m mistaken. I believe that Etown High was the last boys team other than St. X to win state.
I swam for Central Hardin in the mid 90’s and had the opportunity to stand on the awards box in Lancastar Natatorium myself. Like you… that was many years and many pounds ago for me also.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
CINCY St X (He Meant)
The swimming capital of Ohio and perhaps the nation.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 10, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Football, Basketball, All Sports Really
St X has strong athletics in most sports.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 10, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
My Christian County Colonels
are solid in baseball, up and down in the other sports. I weighted 180 in HS and played left tackle if that’s any indication.
I ain't braggin, but
Highlands won the Kentucky AA swimming championship’s my junior year and tied with Cov Cath my senior year. I won the 100 free my senior year, as well….of course, 13 yr old girls are easily beating my times now. You are right, ETown Tigers were a big state rivalry.
Ahhhhh…memories….someone start up ‘Glory Days’, will ya?
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
I used to be a swimming timer. :-)
But I couldn’t swim fast enough to beat an unmanned inner tube down the pool. :-)
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
Dude, the Lousiville thing was bad enough....
…..j/k
Lorenzen should have went to Scott…….damn recruiting :o)
Ah...Lorenzen and Derek Smith
Led Highlands to the final game in basketball where Lorenzen played point guard! Derek Smith was arguably a better basketball forward than a tight end.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
From Silver Grove (Derek Smith)
Also “recruited” to HHS.
My nephews played aginst him in grade when he was a Baby Big Train.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 10, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh course, it isn't just Highlands
Covington Catholic was just as bad when I was in school (mid-late 90s).
Recruiting is an issue brought up by a St. X grad???? :)
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
Not An Issue At All
Cincy St X draws from all over southwest Ohio.
No longer KY or IN though. Ineligible to play athletics.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 10, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Class
I find it completely classless to be “coach shopping” with the freakin SEC tournament days away. Completely classless. It just says the season is dead and we are done with our coach. Why the heck would they even want to play for that?
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 9, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
No One Is Shopping
But 37-25 does make you look in the windows.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 9, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Windows
Then you just keep right on looking. Ugh.
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 9, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope
He needs to do A LOT BETTER than 37-25.
Simply unacceptable results at UK.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 9, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
If Mitch
was doing then yeah it would be classless but since we have no say in the matter, I think its just a way to relieve all the stress.
I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!
No say in the matter
but it still looks classless all the same.
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 9, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
It's getting that way
I mean I could understand if we had six all americans and were 12-18 but geesh.
Well
I think its just wishful thinking. None of the coaches listed are coming here and Billy still has the job. Billy has a window to change things. Its small but its there and I hope he does it.
I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!
It's not really about that
The guy has been here less than two years. I’m not convinced he’s the man, but I"m not convinced he isn’t either. I don’t think our players are up to snuff and I haven’t seen much heart out of any of them outside of Meeks, Harris and Patterson all year. I blame the players more for this season than the coach, that’s where I stand.
Its a tale as old as sports
What would have happened if Babe Ruth had stayed with the Sox?
What would have happened if Muhammed Ali hadn’t been a C/O?
What would have happened if Keith Bogans didn’t sprain his ankle?
Its harmless speculation.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
In the Value Added blog:
You are right #4 is completely obsurd. I agree with his other comments though and I feel like the Kentucky fans need to understand a lot of those things. I feel strongly about the fact that if we fire him now, it will put our program 3-4 years behind. The man is a good recruiter, Pitino good, who knows? He brought Acie Law to TAMU and like (Value Added) said, he brought Patterson and Miller to UK. When he says wait til we have a point guard, even a freshman point guard isn’t the answer. A smart senior point guard would be huge, so even though a point guard is coming in, doesn’t mean we will do a complete 180 next year.
About the Meeks comment, my first thought was maybe he told the guy that to create some separation. Hey, they told me not to shoot, to throw it to Patterson, hello, I’m wide open pass it to me. haha So it is sad that so many UK fans were ready to throw him under the bus as soon as they heard that. And for those of you who have never played a sport, there are several mind games played on the playing field the whole game.
There’s my two cents! :)
Keep it up Tru!!!!!!
Not Correct
Melvin Watkins recruited Acie Law to TAMU, not Gillispie.
Patterson was “gifted” to him at UK by the prior staff. If he had to start from scratch, Patterson would have gone elsewhere.
Gillispie is a good recruiter but not on Pitino level.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 9, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Patterson
you have NO idea what Patterson would have done. None. All the “sources” in the world will not change my opinion on this one.
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 9, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
The fact is
Billy G did sign Patterson. And if Patterson and Meeks go pro, so be it. Meeks has a lot to improve on and I don’t know why he would want to go unless he’s totally unhappy. If Billy G leaves this year or if some get their wish and he is fired, we will have one tough time getting another decent coach here. No coach is going to want to come to a program where it’s one bad year and you’re out. That’s totally unrealistic. Yes, we’ve underachieved. It happens. But yelling and crying about it just makes it that much worse. We need SEC starter type of players, and right now I only count two with Miler being a potential third after he learns to throw the ball to players on our team.
Furthermore you would have to be blind not to see the improvements of Meeks, Bradley and Crawford under Billy G.
Juniors And Seniors Improved In 1998 And 1999
Jeff Sheppard. Nazr Mohammed. Allen Edwards. Scott Padgett. Wayne Turner. Jamaal Magloire.
ALL GREATLY IMPROVED as juniors and seniors at UK with a new coach.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 9, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
1999 And 2000
99 = Elite 8 and 28 W plus SECT champs.
2000 = SEC co-champs and defeated NC Mich St and Runner-up Fla.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 9, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
99 was good
2000 was the start of the slide. Basically the last five years of UK basketball have been bad, comparatively speaking. But we can’t play one of those games again. All we can do is be hopeful in the future and do what is best for the program as fans. To me, that means supporting Billy G as hard as we can for at least a couple of more years until it becomes completely obvious that he can’t do it. I was a huge Tubby supporter for five years, and I’ll be the same for Billy G until he’s had ample time.
are
you saying 2004 was bad??!!!! I know we lost against UAB in 2004 but we had the first ever overall number one seed. It wasn’t that bad and honestly compared to the last two years, Tubby’s last two years werent’ all that bad.
I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!
Hahaha
Sorry, I needed that. I would have rather been a 7 seed and made the sweet 16 than a 1 seed and get beat by UAB. But that’s just me.
yeah
and we got beat by Marquette in 94. It happends. But it still doesn’t take away from when they talk about the seedings that Kentucky was the VERY FIRST 1 overall seed.
I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!
UK Lost To Marquette In NCAA 5 Times
Including 2003.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 9, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope, Here's Their Mantra
Pitino Players were stars in 1998 and 99. Those were good years.
All the rest were bad years. Even 2001 (SEC co-champs, SECT champs, #2 seed), 2003 (#1 AP poll, undefeated SEC champs, SECT champs, #1 seed, Elite 8), 2004 (SECT champs, #1 seed), and 2005 (SEC champs, #2 seed, Elite 8).
All bad. No Pitino Players on thoise teams.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 9, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
He was a victim of Pitino's success
No doubt. Elite eight’s should be good but we were all spoiled by the previous years. It started for me after being bounced by UAB in 2004. Our 2005 team made the elite eight, but they had national champion talent. After that year, well, we pretty much stunk and outside of meeks in 2007, the classes pretty much stunk too.
National champion talent
I disagree. I think we had Elite Eight talent that year, and a favorable match-up with Michigan State. Izzo had Tubby’s number at tourney time unfortunately.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
I Talked To His Mom And Dad In March 2008 (Columbia)
I certainly do know what he would have done.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 9, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Forty and Danel:
Knock it off. Badgering and stalking.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
Well ...
… I think you can accurately say that you knew what his parents thought he would have done. :-)
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
Absolutely
Anyone who knows the Patterson know they are very close family. Mr/Mrs P DEFINTELY knew what PP would do.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 9, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Forty ...
No parent knows what their son or daughter would do. They may be right 90% of the time (not in my experience, though), but they don’t know. Closeness of family does not make them a shared consciousness.I’m sure you read their thoughts, though.
You’ll have to teach me that sometime, it would come in darn handy around this blog. :-)
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
I E-Mailed Someone Who Knows Them Personally And Spoke To Them Last Week
You were copied. You’ll see his reply.
The college decision was a mutual, family based decision.
Just as the NBA Draft Or Not decision will be this spring.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 9, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't say you were wrong.
I said you did not know. There is a difference. I believed the exact same thing about Patterson long before I heard it from you, which you also know. But knowing is not being told something by a person’s parents. That’s my only point.
I am sure that all you said is 100% true, and I did not dispute your veracity in any degree. What I disputed was your assertion that a conversation with his parents constitutes first-hand knowledge. I say it does not. We may agree to disagree on that.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
Patterson wasn't considering Texas A&M before...
I think it stands to reason that Gillispie’s success in landing him is at least in part due to the efforts of the previous regime.
Closing the deal with Patterson was one of the best sales jobs Gillispie has pulled off to date. Had he been as successful with Jai Lucas… we might not be having this conversation today.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
Can
I just say something…..Chirop this isnt’ a direct response to your post, but I wanted to fit it on here since it was about recruiting. Listen I don’t follow recruiting but people recruiting is as much of a gamble as playing the lottery. I don’t measure coaches by all americans. I measure coaches who can coach. Tubby Smith did a better job coaching when he didn’t have all americans. We should measure coaches who do the coaching not the recruiting. I know people will disagree with me but I have seen these recruits that were supposed to awesome turn out to be awful. At Kentucky basketball and UT football which I follow..
I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!
HS All-Americans
3 on 1998 team.
2 on 2003 team.
The 1993 team only had 4.
The 1997 team had just 2.
Many UK teams did well with fewer HS All-Americans.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 9, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Another Conjecture
Another thinly veiled attempt to glorify Smith and denigrate Gillispie and what’s most egregious, it’s pure baseless, biased speculation: “gifted”, what a transparent joke! Patterson would have gone elsewhere. Did Patterson say that? Did Patterson’s family say that? Gillispie not a Pitino’s recruiting level: another subjective statement that compares a 2-season recruiting record with a multi-year record. Quoting Joseph Welch from 55 years ago but certainly appropriate:
“You’ve done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?”
I happen to agree with this
I swear it really does seem as if every comment is just set up to either put down Gillispie, glorify Tubby – the “UK wanted a change so now they need to STHU and take what they get” or whatever was absoultely out of line – IMO.
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 9, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely The Pattersons Said That (To My Own Ears)
EVEN Gillispie credited the prior UK staff (not just HC) for greasing the path to UK for Patterson.
Read the press release from UK when he signed in May 2007.
Pitino’s recruiting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gillispie’s recruiting. NO doubt!
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 9, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Billy's G's development of players
>>>> than the last staff. But no matter, none of this helps us win in the here and now.
Not EVEN Close To Accurate
Nowhere in the same ballpark.
Many NBA players, several All-Americans, numerous All-SEC players from 1992 through 2007.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 9, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't know
the last staff started in 1992, I could of swore it was 1998. Yes, several pros from that time on, but I haven’t talked to many people that don’t think crawford and bradley matured more last year and played better. Arg. Tired of arguing this, once again, it has nothing to do with the future. Tubby ain’t coming back and hopefully Billy G ain’t leaving. The rest is just subjective.
I Gave Credit To Both Prior Staffs
UK put 2 players in NBA in 1998. 2 more in 1999. 1 in 2000. 1 in 2002. 1 in 2003. 2 in 2004. 1 in 2005. 2 in 2006. 1 in 2007.
That’s 13 players into NBA in the years you described.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 9, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I have to disagree
I think Patterson is worse now than when he arrived.
Crawford certainly improved and Acie Law improved, but I haven’t seen a track record of improving players at UK.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
I don't agree ...
… that Patterson is worse, and his statistics don’t support that conclusion. I will agree that he probably should have been better than he is now, but that injury clearly set him back some.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
Maybe not worse per se
But I remember thinking he was a beast who never stopped working when he first got here… and I don’t quite see that same level of intensity now. As you noted in your post-mortem, he also seems to have something wrong with his short range game now as well. He was practically automatic early in the season and he has repeated missed chip shots over the last month. It started with his finger injury and has just continued.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
Well he had Bradley and Crawford to open up the middle for him.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
Most folks ...
… believe there is some truth to the suggestion that Patterson was headed here before Gillispie came. I happen to be among them. That’s to the credit of the previous administration.
Gillispie did a magnificent job convincing him to continue, something I was betting against. That’s to his credit.
Forty’s take, as usual, is flawed. The “gifted” part was a very unfortunate choice of words and unfortunately reflects his continued crusading for Smith’s legacy. I have told him (Forty, are you reading this?) and will tell him again to stop it. It is an attempt to violate the spirit of my rules.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
Gillispie Credited The Prior Staff, Too (In Press Release When PP Signed)
At least 2 former staffers encouraged Patterson to pick UK after the coaching change.
David Hobbs specifically called the P’s to advise them to choose UK anyway.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 9, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Jay Shidler on CBG
“I think Coach came in not understanding the meaning and importance of the UK basketball program,” Shidler said. “I just think he has bit off a little bit more than he could chew.”
http://www.amnews.com/public_html/?module=displaystory&story_id=48508&format=html
GBB!!!
When Ex-Players Speak Out Publicly
Something’s wrong. BADLY wrong.
And it’s NOT the ex-players.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 9, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
When ex players speak out in the middle of a season
When we’re fighting for a tournament birth. They hurt the program and fall down a notch in my book. Save your comments for after the last chapter, not while the book is still being written.
How do you reach that conclusion, Forty?
Ex-players are just like everybody else. Their status does not elevate their opinion to the point that one could rationally draw that conclusion.
Most of these guys are far removed from the program now, both in time and space.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
Ex-UK Players Know What It Means To Be A Wildcat
And they also can see than 2008 or 2009 don’t measure up.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 9, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I think a lot of the big wigs
and former players don’t like Billy G because he’s not all snug and all access like they’re used to. He’s a country boy who just wants to coach and win. He doesn’t want to be in the country club, he doesn’t want to shoot the bull with the boosters, he just wants to coach. Players in general have changed since the time of Casey and others. Those days are never coming back, it’s a different era where high school games are shown on ESPN and players are negotiating shoe contracts when they’re 19.
I'd Like To See Him W A Lot More
37 W aren’t nearly enough in 2 years.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 9, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
There's some truth to that
Tubby was never comfortable in that role either and was part of what led to some of the pressure in his later years.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
You are exactly right in that it doesn't measure up.
But not in exactly the way you are alluding too. We do not have elite talent at UK right now. In fact, some are going to have an issue with this but even our best two players are barely elite. Patterson, I love him to death. But he is not an elite level player with his back to the basket. He needs to move to the power forward position. He’s fighting for his life every night against guys that are just as big or bigger and as strong as he is and for the most part he’s winning against SEC talent. But it’s a struggle at that position.
Meeks has a weak handle. How many times has he drove to the basket only to dribble off his foot or lose the ball in traffic? Great shooter, sometimes great scorer but until he can consistently attack the basket on the dribble drive, his game is suspect.
I’ve watched too many games this year from Top 25 teams to have any kind of illusion about our talent level. Compare the UK-UF game to the UConn-Pitt game side by side Saturday and tell me how our talent level compares.
We need talent people. Love our guys to death and will root for them regardless. Will never say they stink. But, they are going to struggle against certain matchups and that has nothing to do with whether or not they know how to be a “Wildcat” or not.
Xbox Live Gamertag: hoopchi
Where Is The Talent In 2008 Class?
Miller.
That’s it.
Gillispie and staff have been recruiting the 2008 class for several years.
It’s BS to say they started doing so in April 2007.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 9, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
If recruits read this blog
I wouldn’t blame them for not wanting to come. It sounds like none of us have been laid in eight months. Billy G has got to do better, no doubt. It’s obvious. But continuing to point that out I don’t think really helps anything.
Well that's inappropriate
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
It was a joke kids come on
Plus it’s like the great Ronnie McDowell said…“older women, are beautiful lovers, I said older women they understand, I’ve been around some, and I have discovered, that older women know just how to treat a man”
I think ...
… that Liggins is very talented. Everyone (except, apparently, you) does so also.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
Liggins is mis-cast
He would be good in a run and gun offense, not in the slow down half-court, Big 10-esque offense Billy G runs.
Hard to disagree
I think Memphis when I watch him play sometimes.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
Liggins And Evans
Interesting you should mention Liggins in connection to Memphis. The Tigers were not nearly the team they currently are until Calipari, in his wisdom (luck), moved true freshman Tyreke Evans to his natural position as PG. Evans who is comparable in size to Liggins and actually a year younger has proved to be a very capable leader. One can infer much from this: Calipari is a more flexible and better coach than Giliispie, or Evans is just more talented and/or mature than Liggins, or some other unsubstantiated theory. Odds are we’ll never know.
Both
Calipari > Gillispie and Evans > Liggins.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 9, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
He SURELY Is Talented
But it hasn’t shown at UK this year. His fault or others, he has disappointed greatly.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 9, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Talent w/o performance is just potential.
…and that normally doesn’t get you too far. I thought all year that he didn’t have the talent to be a classic point guard, meaning one that can penetrate, is fast, etc. It all may be moot anyhow…
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
I like the talent in the 2008 class.
Think they are great. But they are Freshmen. Freshmen play like freshman and if you are depending on them to lead you to the holy land, good luck. Give me 3 more years of talent like Liggins and Miller and I think we will be at a better place. Supporting cast is not elite talent and are playing out of position to fill inadequacies in lineup. And the JUCO’s are playing like typical JUCO’s in that they are not adjusting all that well. Nothing new there, quite expected by me.
In fact, I expected a struggle the day I heard Jasper was transferring. I hoped Galloway would come in and adjust magically overnight and I hoped Liggins would not have any freshman adjustment issues and that we would be alright but that didn’t quite work out and here we are with a struggle of a year. Hoped for better, but expected issues.
Xbox Live Gamertag: hoopchi
Talent in UK/UF match-up compared to UConn-Pitt
Oddly, its not just on our end of the court that looks deficient either…
Donovan has stocked himself with elite recruiting classes the last few years and yet is curiously unable to put it together.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
Not In 2006 Or 2007
Both won NC for him.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 9, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Different times, different situations, none of which are comparable.
Their comments are their own, but their opinions are no more valuable than anyone elses.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
TOTALLY agree
Their opinions are just that OPINIONS. Just like everyone else.
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 10, 2009 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
How
do I word this right? Hmmmmm. As a fan, I am going to listen to Mike Casey, Sam Bowie, and other players as opposed to media people. They have been through the drill and they are more experts then any of us are. THey know what makes athletes tick. They know signs of trouble. I don’t take them gospel but I do take their word over anyone else “professional”
I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!
Bowie Comments
Has Bowie commented on the current condition of UK? If so, I haven’t read or heard them so please enlighten me.
I've Seen Similar Comments From Derrick Hord (For Example)
Players know there are problems at UK.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 9, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
It doesn't take being a former player to know there are problems at UK.
Anyone with a modicom of knowledge knows there is a problem. And to address some other previous commments (not nec from you, forty) ; it also doesn’t take being a former player to know what “being a Wildcat” means.
Let’s keep beating this dead horse until, say, Wednesday, then we can talk about the SEC Tourney.
"a virtual orgy of schadenfreude"
Looking forward to that, Tru. I’m sure you’ll pull it off as no one else can.
Oh, I assure you ...
… it will be more fun than I can currently imagine. And I will spare not one single detractor.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
I hope you're keeping copies of some of these kinds of pieces so you can quote from them later
I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra
Assuming some of you are at work
You must have understanding bosses. Good Day!
There is nothing wrong that a string of W's wouldn't fix!
When your name is on the front door, it doesn't much matter!
The only depressing thing for me is that when I remodeled this space three years ago, I had a cable jack installed in the waiting room specifically so I could get cable and watch the NCAA tournament every year in March… in the two Marches since then, it hasn’t been worth investing in.
:-(
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
The last boss I had
Back in 03 didn’t know a ball from a bat. He really didn’t know about the Cat’s.
There is nothing wrong that a string of W's wouldn't fix!
I mispoke a little
I still have a boss but i’m sleeping with her. She is ready any time that the Cat’s or Her Phoenix Suns are on.
There is nothing wrong that a string of W's wouldn't fix!
Oldcat70
Is now my role model. Forget Barry Larkin, he never got it on with Marge Schott. I’m going to throw up now.
You think maybe
Schott and Schottzy had more than a dog/owner relationship? I just thought if you were getting sick I’d tip the scales for ya.
I was going to write that
But didn’t have the courage!
There is nothing wrong that a string of W's wouldn't fix!
Well
I’m out of here. Got to make a run to the city. Good day.
There is nothing wrong that a string of W's wouldn't fix!
Surely this isn't right?
From Andy Glockner’s “Bubble Report” on si.com:
“Kentucky (19-12, 8-8; RPI: 80, SOS: 63) has now lost four straight and eight of its last 11, and is in a lot of trouble. That said, a deep SEC run could save the ‘Cats as they have a bit more in their résumé than even some peers in this league (wins over Kansas State and West Virginia in non-league play, a sweep of Tennessee and a split with Florida). It will take a minimum of making the semifinals, and it might require a finals appearance, but it’s not impossible given what’s happened elsewhere this week. The ’Cats start with Ole Miss and then would get LSU with a win.”
I can’t imagine we have done enough to warrant at-large consideration, but if we make a run to the finals, and other teams lose, do the pieces actually fall into place?
C! A! T! S! CATS! CATS! CATS!
Its all guess work at this point anyways
Lunardi has eight Big Ten teams in the touney… eight!!!!
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
8 Big 10 Teams WON'T Make NCAA
Regardless what Lunardi says.
He doesn’t pik the teams.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 9, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, Lunardi has UK as the 10th team out of the field today
I’ve seen UK farther back in other places, but somewhere in the10-15 range seems about right. It’s certainly *possible * that UK could get an at large with a run to the SECT finals, as doing so would include wins over LSU and likely South Carolina, but it would require A LOT of other things to fall their way. There would have to be no upsets in other conferences where the favorite is also an at large team, and the nearly all other bubble teams (10+ teams) would need to lose their first game in their respective conference tournaments.
I think it is far more likely for UK to win 4 straight games than for all those things to happen
I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra
They Only Do That
If both teams in SECT final are “in” the NCAA already.
They fit Georgia into the field last year.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 9, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
bringing back the keightley jerseys?
i know there isnt much that can motivate or inspire this team at this point, but what does everybody think about bringing back the black bill keightley tribute jerseys for the sect. maybe that will light a fire underneath the cats’ asses.
It might hummer
I just don’t know anymore.
I had no idea where to put this comment about Galloway, so here goes. He recently lost his grandfather and he actually came back and played pretty well that weekend. But sometimes the loss of a loved one takes a while to really sink in because one is in a different mindset immediately after. My point is…he possibly never had the time to mourn his loss.
Oh well, what do I know….just an older lady catfan talking that has been through so many personal losses in too short a period of time.

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