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Kentucky 53, Florida 60:  Postmortem

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I regret not being able to write this last night, but I had other matters to attend to.  I want to thank everyone for doing such a good job of keeping the discussion civil in this difficult time.

First of all, a big, somewhat belated congratulations to the Florida Gators.  Florida did not play a great game, but they played well enough to win.  When you are at home facing a with a lot (at least, ostensibly) of motivation to win the game, it's easy to try too hard, and sometimes the Gators did.  But they forced Kentucky into many turnovers and managed to exploit enough of them to get the W.  Well done, Florida.  Noble victory.

It doesn't take Yoda to intuit the fact that I am very fatigued, both mentally and emotionally, with writing losing postmortems.  All sports bloggers have to do this, of course, but it gets much tougher when your team is far worse than expected in a season.  But with that said, let's move along to the Wildcats.

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First of all, I must say that the 'Cats played very hard.  They played very poorly in the process, but I don't fault anyone's effort today, and if you are like me and try to search for positives in a dismal showing, that's something.  Unfortunately, this team's effort today was largely directed, as it has been so often, in making plays that simply were not there to be made, with the predictable result of ridiculously difficult shots missing the mark and turnovers made all over the place.

The biggest problem with Kentucky today is that they had no 3-point shooting against the zone defense.  One of the weaknesses of a zone is that it allows open 3-point shots with good ball movement.  Kentucky's ball movement wasn't just poor, it was incomprehensible.  Throwing the ball around the perimeter of the zone is exactly what the zone defense wants the offense to do.  What you should do is get the ball into the high post, forcing the zone to react.  It's as though that was against the rules today, because the 'Cats almost never tried to do that.

In addition, Meeks was again unable to get clean looks, and when he did, he missed the shot.  A lot of that credit goes to Florida, particularly Walter Hodge and Nick Calathes, who split time guarding Jodie Meeks.  Ray Shipman also did good work there.

Patrick Patterson shot 7-17, an incredibly inefficient outing that has lately become his trademark all too often.  Patterson missed point-blank shot after point-blank shot, and even though he was under some pressure, it was nothing like what he faced last month  in Columbia.  I am at a loss to explain what looks like a sudden lack of confidence in his game.

Kevin Galloway, the hero of the last encounter with the Gators, had a very bad showing.  He kept trying to make impossibly difficult passes, even when a simple pass was available.  Four turnovers, three assists.

Michael Porter was his typical ineffective self, although he wasn't the turnover machine we have seen so often from him this year.  That honor went to Darius Miller, who's stat line of 1 assist, 6 turnovers and one rebound in 15 minutes is surely represents the nadir of the young man's Wildcat career so far (and hopefully, forever).  Porter did, however manage to allow Walter Hodge to torch him for 18 points on 7-12 shooting.

The only player to really play well was Ramon Harris, the much-maligned small forward who defended Calathes like a maniac, holding him to only 5 points.  Harris scored 14  points on 6-8 shooting and had only two turnovers and five rebounds, four of them offensive.  Jodie Meeks managed 15 points on 6-18 shooting, with three rebounds as well as turnovers.  As far as Perry Stevenson is concerned, I see by the box score that he did play 26 minutes, although I can scarcely remember anything he actually did.

So much for the recap.

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So where does this latest debacle leave us?  Well, I think it is safe to say that absent an SEC tournament championship, Kentucky has no chance whatever to get an at large bid in the NCAA tournament.  That hope technically died earlier this week when Georgia handled us in Rupp Arena, but the reality is that the season was murdered in Columbia, South Carolina back on February 25th.  The Gamecocks, in my estimation, crushed the fragile psyche of of this team to fine powder, rolled it up and smoked it.

I know many people will want to take Gillispie before the firing squad, but the truth of the matter is that he is no longer in control of the fortunes of this team.  As anyone who has ever led a group of men or women will tell you, once their confidence in the direction of the team fails, it is usually (although not always) unrecoverable in the near term.  What it often takes is a quiet period for people to evaluate themselves and their priorities, digest and assimilate what happened that contributed to the disaster and come back with a plan to succeed after the pain and recriminations of the failures have subsided.  Only in cases of extreme maturity and determination, as we saw last year from Joe Crawford and Ramel Bradley, can the rescue of a team be effected in-season once it's confidence has failed.  Unfortunately, this team has no such maturity or determination.

What this means is that the post season for this group, absent something rather extraordinary, is going to be much like the last few weeks.  I can never say never, but I don't expect Kentucky to do well in the SEC tournament and I do expect them to play in the NIT.  They may win a game or two in that tournament, but ultimately, the weight of this season will doom them much as it has seven of the last ten games.  A slow start is all it takes to bury this team, and every start these days is a slow start.  These young men have neither the maturity nor the mental toughness to bail out all the water the USS Wildcats is taking on this year.

Coach Gillispie will suffer most of the recriminations, and that is right because that's what he is paid to do.  My opinion is that Gillispie's "stay tough" style simply didn't work with this particular group of kids.  I expect he also tried a kinder, gentler approach at times in the season hoping to get a response, but really, he was operating from a position of weakness.  Gillispie is Gillispie, and this team needed a different type of approach which is apparently beyond his ken.  We have seen this happen before with coaches at Kentucky and elsewhere.

Gillispie could not get this team to execute or understand his offensive schemes.  Defensively, the Wildcats were fairly consistent and generally pretty good this year, but it was the inability to value the basketball or execute precision offense when it was needed that cost us most games.  Yesterday, it was a return of the unwillingness (I can't really call it anything else, the proper method to attack zone defenses are well-known by anyone who closely follows college basketball) of the team to properly attack the zone and move the ball.  It was as though flashing to the free throw line was so risky that nobody would attempt it, so Kentucky simply threw the ball around the perimeter fecklessly in hopes of getting it to Patterson.

I do not believe those who say Gillispie is over his head, at least when it comes to actual coaching.  In the sense that he has done a very poor job with media and fan relations this year, yes, I think he is in over his head -- he has taken a huge reservoir of goodwill  and drained it completely dry with almost nothing to show for it.  He now finds himself actually embattled at Kentucky after only two years, a feat that I thought impossible without an actual losing season.  Yet Gillispie has managed this with two potential NBA draft picks and several other top 50 players coming out of high school on the team.

I personally believed that Gillispie should get four years at the head job almost as a default.  However, after this season he will be under tremendous pressure to perform next year, and that concerns me -- coaches under that much pressure can become unpredictable and can be a threat to the program's integrity.  I trust that Barnhart and the compliance staff will work very closely with him under these circumstances.  I think Coach Gillispie is a man of integrity who would never do anything wrong, but there is no way he has ever been under this much pressure in his life.  Pressure this intense can break the will of even the best human being, and while it may seem unfair, it is simply a fact at Kentucky that must be dealt with.  That unfortunate fact may (and probably is) a big part of the reason why Kentucky has had so much difficulty with coaching searches.

Unfortunately for those who want to see Gillispie fired immediately, doing so would magnify the pressure of this job to the point that I can't imagine any right-minded human being who would want it.  I'm sure somebody would be willing to try, but if you think we could euthanize the Gillispie era today and hire the next Rick Pitino tomorrow, you are simply nuts.  The psychology of the situation would be unprecedented in all of college basketball history, and we would most likely have to settle for a coach with Kentucky ties.  I would point out that the only coaches with Kentucky ties of the stature that most fans want are Rick Pitino, Billy Donovan and Tubby Smith.

Of course, it is always possible we could go to the NBA and get lucky like we did with Pitino.  NBA coaches are familiar with pressure that is at least somewhat similar to what a coach faces at Kentucky, and that is certainly a good thing.  Most of them are fairly adept at handling the media, so that would also be a plus.  But could we find any that would be a good fit and have the necessary experience to take over this program?  I don't know.

In the final analysis, firing a coach who had committed no NCAA violations or other issues of moral turpitude after two winning seasons would be unprecedented, for a program of Kentucky's stature to take such an action would put our program at risk for years to come.  But does that mean that we should just take this season in stride and look forward to next year, throw up our hands and say, "Oh, well, better luck next year?"  Not in my book.

There are several actions that the Athletics Department should take after this season is finally dead and buried, something I expect to happen sooner rather than later.  They are:

  1. Inform Gillispie that he has one month after the NCAA championship game to finalize and sign a contract with UK.  Failure to do so will result in dismissal, and litigation over the MOU.  Enough is enough.

  2. Require Gillsipie to provide a detailed explanation to the Athletics Director, either verbally or in writing, about what went right and what went wrong with this season.  This analysis should include a detailed explanation of the failures that caused this season to go south, along with a detailed plan for corrective action addressing each of the failures.  Once the coach and AD agree on all the points at issue and their corrective action, Gillispie and the AD should agree on what an acceptable outcome to next season will be complete with objectives and performance criteria.

    As much as the fans would want to be part of this, it is unreasonable that they should be privy to or have a say in this agreement.  We hired Barnhart to handle this.  Let him do his job.

  3. The agreement should be specific as to what success and failure next season look like.  For example, success could be defined as a winning percentage of 70% +0-5%, an SEC championship or co-championship, and an NCAA tournament bid of 8 or better.  I really don't care what the agreement is, it could require an NCAA sweet 16 or better, whatever.

What would the consequences of failure to meet objectives be?  A presumption of dismissal, I would expect, absent extraordinary mitigating circumstances.  Coach Gillispie was hired to coach Kentucky into Kentucky-like performances, not performances that would satisfy Georgia or Ole Miss.  He has now had two full years to deal with the issues that the program had before he came, and three of his recruiting classes will be in place by next fall.  We should begin to see progress from the 2006-07 years, not a continuation or regression from them.

I have advocated four years for Gillispie, and I still feel that way if he can show substantial progress next year.  If not, I'm not sure that Barnhart will be able to protect him for another year.  Many people have compared the situation to Coach Brooks, but we all know that basketball and football are worlds apart in the minds of Kentucky fans.  Barnhart could afford to go to bat for Brooks, but Gillispie has burned up a ton of goodwill that Brooks did not by still having an unsigned contract and various media faux pas along with an intractable attitude toward the game that has not yielded good results.  Intractable, eccentric behavior are fine when you win, but poison when you don't.  In the final analysis, I don't think Gillispie can survive another year with more than ten losses unless he has a deep run in the NCAA's.  I'm not sure he could survive another first-round loss in the NCAA's, or another VMI or Gardener-Webb type loss.

In summary of this lenghty commentary, Kentucky's season is effectively over.  Although an SEC Tournament championship or even an NIT championship might somewhat change the dynamic of this season, it wouldn't be by much.  Opinion has largely calcified that this year was a failure, and primarily a failure of coaching.  Not only that, but the Kentucky coach has managed to create an unfortunate impression of his time at Kentucky by some very questionable decisions in the media.  The result of this is that after only 22 months on the job, Gillispie has completely exhausted the reservoir of good will that the Big Blue Nation had for him when he was hired.  He is now viewed almost as negatively (and perhaps just as negatively) by the fan base as Tubby Smith was two years ago, and that is very bad news.  Gillispie, in my judgment, cannot survive another year like this, no matter what chance I personally think he should have.

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Good Points All

Here’s some hope.

The 2008 and 2009 TAMU rosters were PRIMARILY recruited by Gillispie, not Mark Turgeon.

The 2008 team was 25-11. The 2009 team is 23-8. That’s 48-19 with Gillispie recruits.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 8, 2009 11:00 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, Forty.

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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 8, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hope Indeed....if

That’s great news. Now if we Barnhart fires Gillispie and gets us a coach maybe we could 48-19 with Gillispie recruits. Thanks Forty. We need hope in this dark Gillispie/NIT era.

by crewcat on Mar 8, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

SEC Tourney win

and NCAA berth should keep season from being deemed a failure… unless they get blown out in 1st round of NCAA tourney perhaps. I’d give a pinkie toe for an SEC tourney title for the Vols, but hey, that’s a big deal for us and “been there, done that” for y’all, so I guess I understand a lukewarm reaction to that saving the season. An SEC tourney title is not out of the realm of possibility for Kentucky, what with the SEC being a relatively weak and Kentucky having UT’s number this season. Can’t give up yet, Wildcat fans.

Cannons... fire them.

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by Craig T on Mar 8, 2009 11:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

SECT W-ers

Arkansas in 2000. South Carolina in 2002. Georgia in 2008.

All unexpected W-ers of SECT.

I’ll be VERY SURPRISED if UK W’s SECT but it’s POSSIBLE.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 8, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or Alabama could come in

and bank in a contested 3 at the buzzer to win 70-67. Anything can happen!

Getting excited about another quarterfinal SEC tourney exit.

Cannons... fire them.

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by Craig T on Mar 8, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sheesh

The thing I think I am in awe of the most is how we went from 16-4 to 19-12. An act of divine intervention allowing us to win the SEC tourney and possibly win a bid to the NCAAs is only going to delay the inevitable. This team this year is not going anywhere. They’re just in a funk and don’t have a winning mentality. Simple. Six to seven weeks ago I had pretty good hopes, of course not a NCAA championship, but at least a Sweet 16 showing.

All the things we needed to do yesterday, we simply just did not do. We needed more 3s and a super strong game from Meeks and Patterson among many other things.

One thing is for sure, Gillispie absolutely must do better next year and I think he will. He’s got more recruits coming in and we’ll have some senior leadership.

by uk1982 on Mar 8, 2009 11:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Very Well Thought Out

Tru, your words, although very bitter ring thru & thru with substance and fact. I admit that at times during the season I have become an emotional, raging nut case on the failures of both this team and our coach. As I read some of your post-mortems I get emotional again at another loss, but then, I step back, ponder your summation and lower my personal thermostat and reluctantly reach most of your same conclusions. I don’t know how you do it. I both admire and have compassion for you at the same time, taking on all our woes, cares and raging baggage at this sorry, sorry season and truly, this has been the winter of our discontent. Great stuff under trying circumstances!

by Bluegilla on Mar 8, 2009 11:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks.

I’m glad I can be of service to your blood pressure. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 8, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

37-25

Slower Traffic Keep Right!

by SevenRings on Mar 8, 2009 11:48 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Gillispie is in over his head.

Not necessarily from strictly a coaching point, though. As mentioned, his communication skills are heavily lacking.

In order to coach at premeir programs, one requirement is the ability to explain situations to the media and fanbase. UK has fans that are highly engaged with the team, that are knowledgeable, and are constantly starving for insight…they want to believe. A KY coach needs to be a salesman. He needs to sell his vision to the team and to the fans. It just shouldn’t be that difficult because you have a willing fan base that is ready to listen and buy-in.

Unfortuneately for both Gillispie and the fans, he has done a horrible job explaining his coaching decisions or even the challenges that the team is going through. He hasn’t relayed the insight that garners confidence and therefore, the fanbase has lost confidence in him. Even worse, he has generated disdain that makes it difficult to get through tough times for him.

It is really too bad. I think that Gillispie is a better coach, a smarter coach than how he comes across.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Mar 8, 2009 12:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Telling Meeks not to shoot

Hey Billy, who the hell else is going to shoot from the outside?

http://new.kentuckysportsradio.com/?p=15187

by btcoop71 on Mar 8, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not Accurate

I personally asked the Okla St AD about that in Feb 2008 when I was on Stillwater campus.

I asked someone I know in UKAA down in Columbia SC in Mar 2008.

Both said it is NOT TRUE.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 8, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why

would he tell you if it was true or not. If BG did say do it , it would be huge news.

I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!

by tenken on Mar 8, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seth Davis as a source?

That’s the best joke I’ve heard all season.

by hoboat33 on Mar 8, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well said..

amazing that dislike of BCG seems to already be stronger than of tubby

agree that this team does not have psyche to do anything post season – i joked with a friend that we are only 10 wins from hanging another banners – afraid it was a joke at best

yes barnhart should have the type meeting you suggest and no, the fans should not be involved – also as you state

thanks for your efforts this season – now on to the post season……….

by memphis wildcat on Mar 8, 2009 12:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't know if the dislike is stronger ...

… but it may be nearly as strong. An amazing feat in only two years.

And you’re most welcome. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 8, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i know you can't believe rumors, ever

but i keep hearing people with “very good sources” say pitino is interested in coming back to kentucky. If the AD starts hearing the same thing, they would be crazy not to take that

by rov38 on Mar 8, 2009 12:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sure.

Let’s see….why wouldn’t he want to go back to UK?

Well, he’s built UofL’s program back up from the Crum years and he is now finally realizing the benefits. He has his current team positioned to compete for a #1 seed in the NCAA Tourney. He is coaching in the best baskeball conference in America. There is a dorm named after his deceased best friend and brother-in-law. The school is building a brand new arena in downtown that will be the jewel in college basketball. He can go out and eat with his family without being mobbed.

Yea, sounds like a real possibility. Sheesh.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Mar 8, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pitino

looks happy where he is. He will not come to Lex.

by tenken on Mar 8, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He Was Interested In March 2007

And he tried hard in March 2001, too.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 8, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He would be in competition with his own self.....

…THIS IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN…..i luv that term ‘VERY GOOD SOURCES’ lmoa

by teambeam on Mar 8, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Would LOVE to see it....but...

don’t see it happening. Wishfull thinking by many,including me.

by maysvilleblue on Mar 8, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

I went to school with a friend’s brother of the uncle who knows a neighbor’s cousin within the athletic department that said it wasn’t true. Honest. I know.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Mar 8, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wishful thinking

on the part of cats fans.

In my humble opinion, I think in the mind of too many cats fans, we are still in the Pitino Era. Pitino is not coming back, it’s like wishing for a dead beloved relative to come back from the grave, ha.

by uk1982 on Mar 8, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree uk1982

The only place I see my deceased beloveds are in my dreams.

I don’t see Pitino returning to UK. I actually see him retiring before that ever happens.

by kykat51 on Mar 8, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he loves Kentucky

the STATE itself, that I know. But as far as seeing that good ole Italian Catholic coaching for our side again, not gonna happen

by uk1982 on Mar 8, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Rick Pitino's not walking through that door..."

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Mar 9, 2009 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If

we go into the NIT tourney………….Memorial Col will be the perfect spot. This is what I would tell my Cats if I had the chance as they walk into Memorial:

Boys, this is where it all began. If you listen closely you can hear Rupp teaching his boys. This is where Kentucky’s legacy started. Kentucky is rich in tradition. You are apart of this tradiiton.

by tenken on Mar 8, 2009 12:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ok

my laptop did something funky on this……..it erased part of my post. I will retype it later :)

by tenken on Mar 8, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Y not?.... a change of scenery definitely couldn't hurt....

…but from an attendance standpoint, money runs the show… and Memorial only holds, what?, 11,000 so the question answers itself I’m afraid

by teambeam on Mar 8, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Memorial Magic

I would love to see it just because of the historical aspect. Better to play there than having to go on the road.

by maysvilleblue on Mar 8, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Would hope not but....

I’m sure the NIT folks know UK would be a huge draw regardless of where they play.

by maysvilleblue on Mar 8, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yall

do know that it won’t be played at Rupp right? It will be played at Memoria. That wasn’t hypothetical.

by tenken on Mar 8, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ohhhh....

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Mar 9, 2009 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why?

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Mar 9, 2009 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

now that i think about it

it does seem appropriate right? They’re at the bottom of their game and what a great way for them to get back to the basics of kentucky basketball and what it stands for.

by uk1982 on Mar 8, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that

is exactly what I think.

by tenken on Mar 8, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

they need to

be educated on the history of ky basketball. And to understand they are part of the greatest team in college basketball history.

And maybe, just maybe, they would work out to the theme some of Rocky.

by uk1982 on Mar 8, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

Memorial Colliseum would be the perfect place for THIS team to play postseason. I would love to see the coaching staff assemble some of Keightley’s interviews and educate the team on what it truly means to wear that UK jersey.

by kykat51 on Mar 8, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right... and have Mike Casey give the pre-game speech...

Oh… wait… nevermind…

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Mar 9, 2009 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh well I guess Rupp is indeed out....

..and Memorial would be kinda special, but you can bet nobody (involved with the ca$h) gives 2 hoots about being ‘special’ when you can only seat half of what you would at Rupp for a game…..and given the economy is would be pretty backhanded to doubled the ticket price to make up for the difference…………

by teambeam on Mar 8, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Memorial Magic

The only problem is that Gilliespie doesn’t seem to know much about Kentucky history or tradition!

by Bluegilla on Mar 8, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

He should have the chance to bring in Orton, Hood, Ferguson and etc to see what we really get. To fire him now would mean to lose all of those except Hood. I also think that eventually Villarino has to be an upgrade at the point.

I am reminded of the first 3 years of Coach K at duke. Where would they be if they had listened to the fan base.

When you look at our relative inactivity on the recruiting trail the previous 3 years, you have to understand the deficit we were in.

I agree we have to give him at least 2 more seasons to begin to see the cumulative effect of the recruiting work. By all accounts, we do have a staff now who work very hard and are starting to get kids we would not have gotten in the past regime. Most likely would not have even gone after them.

I still think this is a talent level problem. That said, he MUST clean up his PR act. If that means hiring a coach for the coach, then so be it. In the end, he is an employee who represents not only UK, but all of us….

by JKW19742004 on Mar 8, 2009 12:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good comments. CBG must polish his "image" with the press, etc. and sooner rather than later.

BBN fans have big hearts and can easily embrace this man again if/when we see some Ws, and a little humility and class in dealing with press/fans etc.

by bluegrassgal on Mar 8, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

On my opinion....

i think one of coach G’s biggest problems is the fact that he simply will NOT change his stance on certain things (obvious understatement!!!) I just could never see him hiring someone to coach/prep him when in comes to dealing with the media or communicating with the fans.

Instead I think it more likely he will simply dig in and do what he is comfortable with…..work,work, and more work.

I honestly believe he is totally committed to doing everything his way….work hard, keep everything close to the vest and basically to hell with what others think.

Sadly I would have to say that while I do admire the work ethic, the rest leaves something to be desired. It’s kinda gets harder and harder to back someone that seems so unwilling to change what clearly isn’t working. Best case senario is a solid showing in both the SECT & NIT and our coach demonstrating SOME flexibility next year.

by wldcatsfreak on Mar 8, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WAAAY off topic....

…but kudos to Donnie Tyndall and the MSU Eagles…..who would’ve thought at the beginning of the year MSU would go to the dance and UK wouldn’t…WOW

by teambeam on Mar 8, 2009 12:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the "even keel"

  Tru, I appreciate the dedication to this site and what it takes to keep it going. Having come here from a ‘poisoned’ chat board, the first I found a few years ago, the calming effect the post-mortems and commentary in this most disappointing of seasons were
an excellent tonic for what ailed me. Thanks for all you’ve done and continue to do.
Another well-wriiten, lucid presentation.

by blupride on Mar 8, 2009 1:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thank you for the kind assessment.

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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 8, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Biggest need is a real PG next year

More important than Meeks and/or Patterson coming back is the need for a PG. As this season has demonstrated effectively – it doesn’t matter how talented the other players on the floor are if you don’t have a guy who can control the ball and the game on the offensive end. He doesn’t need to be a star, he just needs to be steady and have a high basketball IQ – something that was really lacking from this year’s team.

Also, he needs to play A LOT in the early non-conference season to get comfortable with the team and develop some on-the-court chemistry.

I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra

by JLeverenz on Mar 8, 2009 1:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

UK Recruiting Several PG

Darius Smith from Chicago. Eric Bledsoe from Birmingham (academic question mark). Another guy from Miami Fl area.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 8, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps my math is wrong....

But I didn’t think we had the open scholarships (especially if you operate under the assumption that Patterson/Meeks stay). Any further info about scholarship openings?

by Clay Mason on Mar 8, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Guessing

Liggins gone. Stewart gone. D Williams off scholarship. Harrellson maybe gone.

At least 3, maybe 4 departures.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 8, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

liggins and stewart

wouldn’t be suprised one bit if they left

by uk1982 on Mar 8, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I personally

wouldnt miss either one of them.

I believe in Billy G.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 8, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

liggins has shown more promise

stewart shows a few flashes here and there

by uk1982 on Mar 8, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Liggins runs up the floor like something is chasing him and either flings the

ball up like the shot clock is expiring or glances over at the bench as if he’s wondering if coach will kill him if he takes the shot. He shows athletic ability, but I’m just not sure about him. A.J. Stewart – no opinion.

by bluegrassgal on Mar 8, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

liggins makes

freshman mistakes, i do believe so. he can be a little erratic at times huh?

by uk1982 on Mar 8, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

liggins

reminds me of a runaway train when he runs the floor

I believe in Billy G.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 8, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Muh ha ha ha

(evil laugh attempt)

by BigBlue87 on Mar 9, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

good one

I dont care for the Kentucky basketball i’ve been viewing on it as of late. ha!

by uk1982 on Mar 9, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Barnhart Support

Has anyone noticed that as UK football struggled w/Coach Brooks, Barnhart stood up and defended him saying he is the Coach to rebuild the program. I haven’t heard any word from the AD saying that Gillispie is his guy.

by middleman_99_98 on Mar 8, 2009 1:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He

said two weeks ago that BG needs time to rebuild

by tenken on Mar 8, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Billy is our coach

Yes, Barnhart did issue a public statement saying Billy needs time to get his players in. He also said he supports Billy. I support Billy Too. His biggest problem is that he so overachieved last year.

by oldkentucky on Mar 8, 2009 1:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Now THAT'S Baloney

Overachieved? Not EVEN close to true.

18-13. L to Gardner-Webb. 1st round L in SECT and NCAA.

Gillispie is a pathetic 37-25 in 2 years at UK

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 8, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

I think “overhyped” (is that even a word?) would be more correct term

by uk1982 on Mar 8, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That I'll Buy

UK may have been overhyped the past 2 years.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 8, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if you ask me

I think (i said this earlier) that people still have this “Pitino mentality”. Like we’re supposed to return to that level of greatness in 2 seconds flat.

I don’t think BCG is that caliber coach, he CERTAINLY hasn’t shown anything different. But I’m still giving him a chance

by uk1982 on Mar 8, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you think....

that most people feel we should be able to return to greatness “in two seconds flat” or are people just so disheartened by the fact that we’ve fallen so far from greatness.

That’s what bothers me. Greatness may be near impossible to sustain year in and year out but man, I just don’t think our program should ever fall out of being competitive. There’s obviously talent on the team so with that there is hope for next year but our boys have got to overcome their lack of consistency.

by wldcatsfreak on Mar 8, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It Took Pitino 7 Years To Reach Greatness

Unless you consider 1990-95 (150-43) “greatness” and i don’t.

Fans forget those 6 very good years on the way to Greatness.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 8, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok

for me I am not asking for “greatness” yet. I didn’t expect Billy to compete for a NC for at least three to four years. In 2011 if he hadn’t gotten one at least maybe sniffed at one. Pitino did that in three years. But losing 10 out of 15 is not moving up its moving down. I consider myself a optimistic person, but these guys just don’t play like a team. There is only one loss out of the last four that I believe the guys played well and that was just one half.

All in all, most of us aren’t asking for greatness yet just building. So far he is imploding.

I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!

by tenken on Mar 8, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Was Just Talking About Pitino

It took him 8 years (2009) to reach greatness at U of L if they win NC this year.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 8, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dunno...

In that time frame, our worst NCAA seed was a 3 (after probation ended). We were a miracle shot away from one Final Four. We went to one Final Four and were an overtime away from a winnable national title. And we reached the Elite Eight another time and put up a game effort against a team that featured Rasheed Wallace and Jerry Stackhouse.

I think that certainly qualifies as greatness.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Mar 9, 2009 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

people are discontent

Kentucky fans are picky cause we’re the winningest team in college bball history….

Each game since ole miss (was that end of jan.? the night of that STUPID ice storm) and after kentucky was ranked 24th in the nation….good lord was that ever even real? There has been a steady decline in faith in this team. It officially “crased and burned” as tru pointed out at the South Carolina game. Frustration came out and had a big fat old party.

by uk1982 on Mar 8, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He "overachieved" in conference play

relative to the low expectations set by such a terrible out-of-conference results

by Gobe Igbloo on Mar 8, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Overachieved?

If anything he underachieved. Bradley,Crawford and Patterson. He should have won more than he did with those players.

by maysvilleblue on Mar 8, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

AND a serviceable point guard in Derek Jasper

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Mar 9, 2009 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In my opinion,

last season Gillispie very much underachieved during the OOC play – we shouldn’t have had more than 2 or 3 OOC losses last season, but we ended up with 7.

I think he slightly overachieved in conference play, going 12-4. I think 10-6 was more where that team likely should have been.

On the season, I’d say it was a slight underachievement. 21-24 wins and 8-10 losses should have been where we ended up.

That said, that team was much better to watch than this season’s team.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on Mar 9, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree, Great Post

I would add to Gillispie’s list of things he has to do would be to attend some type of media relations training. He needs to be coached on things to say and things not to say. He needs to realize he is at Kentucky and he is going to continue to get the questions he’s getting. Deal with it and teach the man how to answer them. And also how to talk to sideline reporters. You don’t need to tell them their question is stupid.

by UKfan79 on Mar 8, 2009 2:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thank you.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Mar 8, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Read today

Although it WAS NOT A DIRECT QUOTE FROM MEEKS, the article stated he would be back for senior season
 
I’ll believe it when I hear it from his mouth though.

They both should stay (Meeks and Pat) they have soo much they could improve on. They would look so much better to scouts partly b/c they will both emerge as strong leaders of the team, especially Meeks.

by uk1982 on Mar 8, 2009 2:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I may be wrong...

but I thought the story read that Meeks wouldn’t comment about going to the NBA. I could read it again but the paper is in the trash already.

by maysvilleblue on Mar 8, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the article i read

didn’t have a direct quote from meeks as far as going pro is concerned

by uk1982 on Mar 8, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did yall hear the latest?

Meeks told a Flordia player that Coach told him not to shoot? What the heck?

by tenken on Mar 8, 2009 2:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

even if Meeks said it

…it’s hard to interpret that it means anything significant

by Gobe Igbloo on Mar 8, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I

think its huge………tell an opposing player something like that.

by tenken on Mar 8, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The story said Meeks....

was told not to shoot because Patterson was doing so well in the first half. Patterson had the hot hand at the time.

by maysvilleblue on Mar 8, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok

how is that better? You don’t tell the nations top five scorer not to shoot.

by tenken on Mar 8, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not saying it's better

Just saying what the story said.

by maysvilleblue on Mar 8, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok

gotcha

I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!

by tenken on Mar 8, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I haven't read the newspaper story

so maybe I’m not “getting it.”

But it seems to me that any in-game “player-to-player talk” about something like “here’s our gameplan” would have to be taken with a grain of salt, yes?

by Gobe Igbloo on Mar 8, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I must have blinked

and not seen Pat’s “hot hand”. I do remember several short range misses, tho.

by hoboat33 on Mar 8, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was my thought as well

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Mar 9, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another most excellent post from our Tru

Thumbs up Tru. I rec’d it and if I could I would give it more.

Hope your evening with wife and Ron White was enjoyable. You surely needed a rest from UK basketball.

by kykat51 on Mar 8, 2009 2:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, KyKat.

I had a great time last night. Ron White was his usual self. Many long, belly-laughs and a few gasping pleas for mercy.

There is a lot to like about a man who can tell funny jokes while drinking half a bottle of Johnnie Walker Black Label right in front of you and smoking a big, fat cigar. Even though I personally don’t care for scotch.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Mar 8, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

laughter

Is the best medicine.

You gotta laugh to keep from crying the way this season has been.

by uk1982 on Mar 8, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thought there was a smoking ban in Louisville?

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Mar 9, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Has it been decided yet

Who will UK play in SEC tourney’s first game? Or what time/date is?

by uk1982 on Mar 8, 2009 2:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't

know who but we ;play at 12:00 central time on Thursday.

I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!

by tenken on Mar 8, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I

just checked the website and we play Western 5…………It shows that Bama is 5 but now that Bama won today they are tied with Ole Miss…….don’t know who wins that tie breaker. But get this…………..IF we win, we get LSU!

I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!

by tenken on Mar 8, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know ...

… it doesn’t matter who.

The ’Cats have plenty of motivation, no matter who it is. If the NCAA tournament really means something to these guys, the only way is to rampage through Tampa, against whoever.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Mar 8, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you

are right about that and no matter if Billy has the security of Mitch standing behind him, if he wants the love of BBN again he will have to do the coaching job of his life.

I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!

by tenken on Mar 8, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

crap

I guess I listen to it on the radio at work. oh well

by uk1982 on Mar 8, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I could take a case of the Blue Flu and slip home to watch the game, but not sure I want to waste

a sick day watching that train wreck. Please Lord, let me eat those words Thursday afternoon.

by bluegrassgal on Mar 8, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i hope you do eat your words

I hope I do also! haha i mean good god gertie, enough is enough with the losing streak already.

by uk1982 on Mar 8, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If

my calculations are correct………..We play Ole Miss. Ole Miss lost two to Bama this year so they will move down to fifth place. OK I know I may be reaching here but we play the team that beat us and turned around our season in a bad way. Could we turn around our season by beating them? Next is onto LSU…..we will continue in this bracket to play to teams that we lost to. This could be a very good thing. Nobody will tell me or convince me that we dont’ have the players to win it all in the SECT., Its just do we have the pyshcie to win it.

I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!

by tenken on Mar 8, 2009 3:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I want redemption, dangit.

I would love to see them beat teams they lost to. I’m not gonna hold my breath.

It would be so sweet if Meeks and Patterson just came out blazin. I can dream can’t I?

by uk1982 on Mar 8, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ummm... we lost to almost everyone but Tennessee...

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Mar 9, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly:)

I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!

by tenken on Mar 9, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Patterson shooting percentage?

“It was a hard-fought game,” Florida Coach Billy Donovan said. "I told the officials at one point that we were playing in the wrong arena. That we should be playing in the football stadium with the amount of contact they were letting go.

by Gobe Igbloo on Mar 8, 2009 3:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I know this is a sports blog, but...

…There are some incredibly strong storms forming out in western Kentucky… Parts of the state are under a Tornado Watch… Please keep an eye to the sky friends…!

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Mar 8, 2009 3:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I live in NKY

There was a tornado warning for my county a couple of hours ago, saw my first funnel cloud.

by btcoop71 on Mar 8, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Media Relations

I would agree with bluegrassgirl, Hozeking and UKfan79 that BG’s total ineptitude with the media, and thereby with all of the fans, is a huge impediment to him getting his message out with regard to his coaching philosophy.

by Cattitude on Mar 8, 2009 4:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Similar Problems On ESPN Total Access Clips

He really struggles with basic communication skills in front of a camera or microphone.

THAT can be improved, with training and practice.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 8, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

At one time

players were required to attend classes to improve their interview, public speaking and manners. Now we need one for the coach.

by hoboat33 on Mar 8, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As a member of the broadcast media I feel

it would behoove BCG to give me a call so I can help him with his media training. :)

by bluecrip on Mar 9, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

Well, UK plays at 1 so at least it won’t drag things out.

I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra

by JLeverenz on Mar 8, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We

have a tough bracket that is for sure but again a chance to beat Ole Miss, LSU, and South Carolina. Billy needs to be telling these kids that Redemption is possible and could happen. Auburn a 2 seed? Where in the world did they come from?

I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!

by tenken on Mar 8, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Auburn a 2 seed? Where in the world did they come from?

…We’re wondering that ourselves down here on the Plains.

What do an Auburn fan and a bammer have in common? (Neither of them ever attended that school in tuscaloosa).

by AUshorecm on Mar 9, 2009 7:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good

for them! I hope yall get an NCAA bid.

I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!

by tenken on Mar 9, 2009 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just Wondering

AUshorecm, congratulations and I especially am happy for Jeff Lebo. Is his seat still a bit over warm?

by Wild Weasel on Mar 9, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

Always classy fans from UK. Lebo’s seat has cooled a bit for now. We’ll see how postseason goes. It’s nice just to have a postseason, although it’s looking like we’ll have to win the SEC tournament to make it to the dance (despite our 10 conf. wins).

What do an Auburn fan and a bammer have in common? (Neither of them ever attended that school in tuscaloosa).

by AUshorecm on Mar 9, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tornado Watches

Tis the season for those. My 16 year old grandson has been updating me all afternoon on these storms coming from the West. The last update I got was re: Southern Indiana with watches out. It is not something to overlook.

by kykat51 on Mar 8, 2009 4:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

it

looks like there are several warning in Western Ky and its heading towards Elizebethtown.

I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!

by tenken on Mar 8, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

Thanks for all your bloggs,Its good to have your insight. We knew we were going to need to rebuild KY basketball from the time when BG was hired as coach,I have seen many good things about this team even though this was a bad season.Next year the foundation will have already been laid. Also we know what each team will try to do.We have a very good class coming in next year all the pieces eill be in place. BG should have many more options so he can do different . STAY WITH THIS COACH!

by DTBCAKY on Mar 8, 2009 4:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks very much.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Mar 8, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you notice that UKJane's comments have been deleted ...

… it is because it was the banned user formerly known variously as Covington, MyBloodRunsBlue and the fake StringMusic, among others. If you responded to that user, your comments were deleted as well.

The new screen name is no longer capable of trolling, either. Sorry about the mess, it was nothing anyone else did.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Mar 8, 2009 4:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

PSTD

Compliments, Tru, on a comprehensive and contextual piece. It’s such that sets ASoB apart from the inveterately glib sites. I’m not sure i’m in accordance with your suggestion of a confab between coach and AD as formal as you suggest but assuming such a meeting occurs I would ask — providing you’re comfortable doing so — that you provide some insight as to what basketball actions Gillispie should undertake to assure that Barnhart’s goals are accomplished (I have my own but would appreciate yours).

As to the whole PR/MR subject I would suggest that it is a bit overblown because Gillispie’s difficulties stem not so much from his seemingly antagonistic attitude but rather his lack of on-court success, i.e. should Cats record be 25-6 instead of 19-12 then Gillispie’s demeanor would be considered more humorously eccentric rather than uncivil and unchivalrous. As support of the opinion I would offer: Robert Montgomery Knight. As long as IU was competing for Big 10 and national championships bad-mannered Bob was not just tolerated but revered — now his same manner earns him applause and riches.

IMO the biggest question for next season does not depend on the physical aspects of the roster — although improving abysmal talent level is a huge challenge — but rather whether the returning players can recuperate from post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). Not to be frivolous with a serious condition but is there any doubt that this team is shell-shocked? Many of the symptoms are exhibited: frequent thoughts and memories of past negative experiences, actions as if past is reoccurring with concurrent anxiety and distress, absence of positive feelings, and difficulty in associating with those closest (teammates). All in all a huge challenge for Gillispie and his staff, especially considering their relative inexperience, not to mention their own exposure to same traumatic instances. A sports psychologist/psychiatrist is not out of the question.

Duke 39-UNC 38 at half. The most impressive point of this game is the Grand Canyon-size talent chasm that separates the top teams from UK. It’s been an unpleasant fact of basketball life for years but perhaps never greater than now.

by Wild Weasel on Mar 8, 2009 5:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

With respect to basketball goals ...

… I would tend to be less specific. Barnhart has limited qualifications to be too specific. What I would do is tend to be more results-oriented, i.e. specify a minimum acceptable W/L record, an SEC regular season or tournament championship or failing that, a relatively high seed in the NCAA tournament, say 5 or 6 minimum.

Some combination of the above would be how I would do it, along with a meeting of the minds on what went wrong, what went right, and what needs attention. I would leave the definition of those to Gillispie, but whatever is identified, I would seek a quantifiable improvement and some kind of plan of action (it needn’t be some formal, book-like document produced like a prospectus, but it does need to be written down and agreed upon by both the AD and the coach).

I don’t think Barnhart can afford to just take Gillispie’s word he is going to do better. I think he needs to be involved in the sense a manager must be involved with those who work under him, with the expectations and measurables clearly defined. That can be as informally as jotting them all down on a legal pad, but it needs to be right there in writing for all to see. Barnhart has a lot at stake in Gillispie’s success or failure, and I expect him to demand accountability from his employee.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Mar 8, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We Call That An "Action Plan" Where I Work

Employees who haven’t measured up to expectations are put on an “Action Plan” with specific steps to be met on a certain timeline. Failure to do so results in Bye-Bye.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 8, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's ...

… what we used to call it when I worked for bosses. When I was a boss, that’s what I called it as well.

So I suppose, that’s exactly what it is. :-)

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Mar 8, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some call it a "swift kick in the, uh, butt"

The greatest reward a manager/leader can give a subordinate is promotion. The second is to let them do their job without interference from above. That level of reward must be earned. Those who don’t perform well, get “senior involvement,” whether it’s an action plan or a stern warning.

Now, before you go off thinking this is a typical military mindset, I’ll honestly tell you I issued only about two stern warnings and a couple of firings in my 29 years in the military. But when it needs to be done, it’s best to heed the advice of the bard:

“If it were done, when ’tis done, ’twere well it were done quickly.”

No moral victories--it's all about Ws and Ls!!!

by oldcat'69 on Mar 8, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is a great idea and SO true

I learned this in high school.

Successful people have clear, concise, WRITTEN goals.

Good, honest, hardworking people make it a point to do better when “the boss” points it out to them.

by uk1982 on Mar 8, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Existent Objectives

My supposition is that such a list of objectives/goals already is in place — perhaps in writing — but most likely a verbal understanding. And it was in place at the time of hiring and adjusted at the end of last season. Tru, perchance I wasn’t clear in my request for your ideas on what actions Gillispie should take to meet the goals as negotiated with Barnhart.

by Wild Weasel on Mar 8, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understood that ...

… the question is, is Barnhart, as a football guy, really the right person to define those actions?

Further, I hardly think I am qualified to propose specific actions Gillispie should take to meet any goals. That’s tantamount to telling him how to coach. I have no idea how to coach college basketball.

I certainly would not agree with such proposals as telling Gillispie what defense he should play when, or what personnel. I can hardly suggest drills to run, or how to manage young basketball players. I don’t have the first clue. I’d wager that neither does Barnhart.

That’s why I suggest outcomes rather than process. I could care less how Gillispie achieves his objectives within the obvious constraints of good sportsmanship and full compliance with NCAA and University rules. If Gillispie wants to run the Princeton offense, or have everyone shoot free throws granny-style, I could care less. All I care about is for him to identify the successes and failures of this year, explain how he intends to solve the failures and maximize the value of the successes, and be held accountable to those to the greatest possible extent.

Maybe I am misunderstanding you. If so, give me some kind of example and I’ll try to compose something more responsive.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Mar 8, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

None Of Us Know What Those Goals Are, So How About These?

1. Win 75% of your games at UK.
2. Win 70% of your NCAA games.
3. Win SEC title 1 of 2 years.
4. Win SECT 1 of 2 years.
5. Win NCAA 1 of 10 years.
6. Make FF 2 of 10 years.
7. Make E8 5 of 10 years.
8. Make S16 6 of 10 years.
9. Make NCAA every year.
10. 20 W every year.
11. 25 W 1 of 2 years.
12. 30 W 1 of 5 years.

Those are UK standards. Meet them (by 2012) or Bye-Bye.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 8, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damn, Forty, that's good.

Only problem is, we’d have to wait 10 years to evaluate some of them. But I like the idea of linking the future to the past. Great idea.

No moral victories--it's all about Ws and Ls!!!

by oldcat'69 on Mar 8, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's How I'd Modify To 2012

2010-11-12 do these:

1. Win 75% of games.
2. Win 70% of NCAA games.
3. Win 1 SEC and 2 SECT (or vice versa).
4. Make FF.
5. Make 2 E8 or 3 S16.
6. 20 W each year.
7. 25 W 2 of 3 years.
8. 30 W 1 of 3 years.

He’s coaching at UK. He needs to W like it, or move on.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 8, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pretty fair I think for a 5 year period

But I think it won’t happen in the next 3 given the loss of momentum this year (which should have been a 1-win NCAA appearance). But this year’s total collapse is mostly on Gillispie so I think it’s fair. We are definitely worse off than the end of last year (looking at the SEC record). We should be building up, not losing ground.

Gillispie is pulling in a massive salary. High salary means high expectations. And I think these expectations are in line with what UK should expect from its basketball program. It does have the highest budget of all basketball programs, but we’re getting some distinctly low-budget results.

As a benchmark, we should be getting results comparable to the other 4 big name programs (UNC, UCLA, Duke, Kansas). As a cross reference, here is what some other programs did in the 1999-2008 postseason (the last 10 years)

Michigan State: 4 Final Fours
Duke: 3 Final Fours
UNC: 3 Final Fours
Kansas: 3 Final Fours
UCLA: 3 Final Fours
Florida: 3 Final Fours
OSU: 2 Final Fours
UConn: 2 Final Fours

Should we expect to do at least as well as these guys? I think so.

As an aside note, starting with a program on probation and ineligible for the NCAA Tournament, Pitino was able to make 3 Final Fours in 8 years. That’s outstanding. But I would take just acceptable at this point.

by EEWildcat on Mar 9, 2009 6:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He'll Have 100% His Recruits In 2011 And 2012

So that won’t be an excuse.

He simply has to produce results. Clearly he was a gamble by UK. Now he must W.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 9, 2009 6:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I add .....Make the NCAA tournament every season

No reason UK shouldnt be one of the top 34 teams every year.

Slower Traffic Keep Right!

by SevenRings on Mar 8, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That Was A Problem Throughout MOST Of The 1960's

Integration left UK trailing most bigtime programs by a country mile back then.

Ohio State and Cincy in early 1960’s. UCLA mid to late 1960’s. Just to name a few.

Gillispie has not coached against Duke, UCLA, or Kansas (yet). He is 0-2 versus UNC.

Pitino was 0-3 versus UNC, 0-1 versus UCLA and Duke, plus 1-1 versus Kansas.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 8, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's more frustrating, the losing or the lack of seeming corrective action?

Perfect post, Tru, as usual. I, too, have no high hopes….strike that… expectations for this post season. Afraid the tail-spin is pretty complete. A media/fan relations course would be a huge benefit for coach. True, winning more would make it less relevant. Still, somehow, even if the offensive game-plan WAS to stand around flat footed and pass the ball around the perimeter while Jodie runs from one side of the lane to another, finally ending in a 3-seconds in the lane call….it would be less frustrating if he actually gave us some sort of logic to it. Even if the logic made no sense.

by markanderin on Mar 8, 2009 6:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah.

I don’t know, I think Gillispie had a plan on how to coach at Kentucky that was different than when he coached for the Aggies. I think those changes have largely failed. I believe if Gillispie will go back to what got him here, he will be much more effective.

You can’t really do that in the middle of a season. It’s like trying to change your golf swing in the middle of a round. As the old saying goes, if you didn’t bring it with you, you won’t find it on the course.

If you look at what the Aggies did offensively, you would see only a few similarities between what they ran, and what UK has been running. A big part of that is UK’s lack of a viable point guard, but there are so many things that are different. I suspect he tried to install a new offensive system like Smith did a few years back, then changed back to his old system.

My recollection is that it didn’t work out well for Smith, and it isn’t working well for Gillispie. I also suspect he decided to try a different approach to coaching, and that has also failed. I’ve seen people do that time and time again when they get a new job — try to improve by doing something different, and fall flat on their face.

Doing what you do best, what you really know is always the best medicine. Defensively, that’s what he does. He needs to do it offensively and coaching-wise, also.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Mar 8, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I haven't coached basketball since 1982 (kids),

but I’ll quibble about your golf analogy, since teaching that is what I do for a living now. The really great ones can find something to salvage a round. When Tiger doesn’t have his A game, his C game and good putting will do. Some coaches do the same. The “bench the starters for the first five minutes of the second half” trick was used by Joe B. Hall against Jacksonville (what year, Forty?), the difference between Hall and Gillispie was that it worked then, it didn’t now.

With that one quibble, I certainly agree that you should dance with the one you brung. Part of that, of course, is having the right personnel, but the personnel-oriented adjustments made this year were ineffective. That’s the result of having only two people you trust to shoot the ball. I am definitely not going to agree with daniel about the value of defense, but, by gosh, you gotta have some shooters to put the ball in the hole. PERIOD.

No moral victories--it's all about Ws and Ls!!!

by oldcat'69 on Mar 8, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

1978 Against Fla St (Hall Benched Starters When Trailing At Half)

His subs that season better than Gillispie’s starters this season.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 8, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I knew it was one of those FL teams. And definitely right

about at least three starters this year. What has the program come to?

No moral victories--it's all about Ws and Ls!!!

by oldcat'69 on Mar 8, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll answer my own question.

Here’s what has changed: Once upon a lot of times, the name on the front of the shirt was worth five points; the players wearing those shirts, and the coach wearing the brown or Armani suit was worth another five or more. Now, other teams see the name and view it as an opportunity to take revenge for the butt-kickings their predecessors received.

No moral victories--it's all about Ws and Ls!!!

by oldcat'69 on Mar 8, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

His Subs

HS A-A Lavon Williams. Future All-SEc Fred Cowan. HS A-A Jay Shidler. Super Sub (6th man) James Lee. And Dwane Casey.

Any of the first 4 would start for UK in 2009.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 8, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just had great memories of Shidler, Forty.

Remember how Hall would jerk his butt out of the game if he took a bad shot and glare at him as he went to the bench? That’s one thing, maybe the only thing, I had against Coach Hall: he wouldn’t let some players make even one mistake. Where have we seen that before/since?

No moral victories--it's all about Ws and Ls!!!

by oldcat'69 on Mar 8, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Saw Him Play In HS (Class A State Tournament)

He tore them up there, scoring 140+ points in 4 games.

UK had never heard of him until Hall saw him in HS All-Star game in March 76. He was headed for IU until then.

Awesome as a frosh starter, never quite that good again.

Hall yanked players on the Kittens and Cats. When the program got rolled up, oyt came the player.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 8, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When I think of programs being rolled, I think of

the Wizard. I’d forgotten how Coach Hall used to do that when he was angry. The difference was Wooden did it all the time, so the players couldn’t tell when he was angry. My impression of Wooden was that, if you were a player, you’d better watch out when he started talking really quietly. Not sure, that’s just the impression I got from listening to his interviews.

No moral victories--it's all about Ws and Ls!!!

by oldcat'69 on Mar 8, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Discipline Counts

Oldcat’69

Joe B also benched 3 players for the ‘76 UKIT. Shidler, Phillips & Claytor sat out as I watched them lose to Utah in the final. I didn’t get to attend many games, so it was disappointing.

But we have owned Utah ever since.

longtime

by longtime on Mar 8, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bowie & Minniefield For ND Game In 80 Or 81

They were suspended for 1 game. UK was heavy underdog to Irish but W anyway.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 8, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Belief and Doubt.

From the outside looking in, I do not feel this team believes in BCG. To believe you have to have success. Without that success there is doubt. As the season has wound down, this team has gotten worse and not better. There isn’t much player development, the losses are mounting and this coach refuses to look in the mirror and see what changes should be made. Last season’s team turned things around once they got into conference play and that is something tangible the players could look at and believe in. I do feel that last season’s late success was due in large part to BCG finally starting Crawford and they may have been able to do some damage in the tourney had they not lost Patterson and others were 100%. This season, however there is nothing these players can look at and believe in. This is not a rant to fire coach but I do believe there are players on this team that are losing faith in the game plans and schemes that coach employs. If you have a system and there is tangible evidence that shows success, players will buy in and have faith in the coach and system.

It has been reported on another site that during that game Jodie Meeks told a Florida player that coach told him not to shoot anymore. If that is true, then I think it definitely gives credence to what I said above. Why else would a player tell an opponent what coach told him to do or not do during a game?

Slower Traffic Keep Right!

by SevenRings on Mar 8, 2009 6:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There Will Be Changes (Like 2002)

Carruth, Parker, Chiles, Sears sent packing elsewhere.

Look for 3 or 4 to leave or be invited to do so.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 8, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I expect ...

… that is probably right. Liggins and Stewart look like likely candidates.

I had high hopes for Liggins, and if he stays, he may be fine. But I doubt he will, either by his own will or by the coach’s.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Mar 8, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You guys are certainly right about some leaving.

I just hope it’s not the future contributors who leave (like Miller). You can have too many “stars”, or at least those who are stars in their own minds. Some get headlines, others may be the real reason the team works together while not getting their name in print. It takes a mature individual to accept that when they’ve been told they’re special for a long time.

No moral victories--it's all about Ws and Ls!!!

by oldcat'69 on Mar 8, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

liggins

not trying to bash liggins or anything, but has he not been a pretty big disappointment? i mean i kno hes still a freshman and hes going to get better but he was so highly ranked coming out of high school i just thought he might have a little bit more of an impact..

by hummer11092 on Mar 8, 2009 7:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

High rankings out of high school are made against high school opposition.

You’re right that he’s been a disappointment, but I’ll give him credit for trying to be a point guard. He just makes bad decisions about his passes, for the most part, trying to make a pass that isn’t there. Galloway has done the same thing lately, BTW. I think both of them realize the role they’re supposed to play, but haven’t adjusted well to the competence of the opposition. For instance, those long, full-court passes Liggins makes to try to bypass the opposition probably work well in HS, where the opposing players aren’t looking back. Good college players know where the ball is all the time. Result: turnovers.

A better play might be to bypass only part of the defensive team as they move down-court, putting us at potentially an advantage. Of course, most times we’ve had an advantage in manpower on a potential fast break, we generally pull the ball up and wait so the defense can get really set. I guess we don’t want to take unfair advantage of them.

No moral victories--it's all about Ws and Ls!!!

by oldcat'69 on Mar 8, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Case In Point = Rupps Runts

Very few of the Runts were highly rated HS players. Conley, Tallent, Riley – that’s about all.

Kron wasn’t. Dampier (incredibly) wasn’t. Jaracz surely wasn’t. None of the subs (but Tallent) were.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 8, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very good example.

And Tallent only played 136 minutes that year, less than half as much as Cliff Berger played. Leadership is sometimes about sacrificing your own good for the good of the team. That’s why Conley and Kron have always been my heroes from the Runts. That’s what they did. Riley and Dampier got the headlines, the other guys made the team work. Same two headliners the next year=13-13. Similar to this year’s team: two stars, ineffective team.

On the other hand, Issel, Casey, and Pratt were all headliners who were comfortable in their own skins, and the rest of the guys who played with them were comfortable with them, too. Chemistry, I guess, and the test tube broke this year.

No moral victories--it's all about Ws and Ls!!!

by oldcat'69 on Mar 8, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

1967 Good Point

2 stars and lots of role players = 13-13.

Then 1968, 2 different stars (Casey, Issel) but a different story.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 8, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget Mike Pratt.

A real workhorse. Could go off on a scoring binge at any time. Plus, he banked a lot of shots, which I liked. A lot better player than color commentator. God, don’t tell him I said that; he’s a lot bigger than I am.

No moral victories--it's all about Ws and Ls!!!

by oldcat'69 on Mar 8, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just so nobody else misunderstands,

I wasn’t referring to Forty as the Almighty in the previous post. :-))

No moral victories--it's all about Ws and Ls!!!

by oldcat'69 on Mar 8, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tubby was a better coach during the game than Coach G. I think the

players understood Tubby and liked him better. That may have been a problem. UK may have needed a drill sargeant for a coach, but it seems he has drilled the fun out of the game and the kids don’t like to play for Coach G. Now at the end of the season when we should be peaking, heads are down, legs are tired and everyone is emotionally exhaused. The whole situation is sad.

by Blueobsessed on Mar 8, 2009 8:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hard To Say Which Coach Is Better

But Gillispie has produced poor results (37-25, under 60%) at UK.

I don’t care if they like him. Just gotta W at least 3 out of 4 games.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 8, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right on.

Not sure any of them liked Rupp very much. In fact, they probably didn’t know him very well. He would have never had them to his house for a pizza party, that’s for sure.

No moral victories--it's all about Ws and Ls!!!

by oldcat'69 on Mar 8, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe we could have selective characteristics from the past in our next coach.

You know, Hall’s recruiting, Rupp’s confidence in his own abilities; Pitino’s slickness with the media; Smith’s in-game adjustments, etc, etc, etc. Anybody in ASOB a geneticist?

No moral victories--it's all about Ws and Ls!!!

by oldcat'69 on Mar 8, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice chatting with you, Forty.

Looks like we two old guys are the only ones who are paying attention tonight. I’m off. Later.

No moral victories--it's all about Ws and Ls!!!

by oldcat'69 on Mar 8, 2009 9:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yep

And BTW my family (in-laws) are all Golf Pro’s and teachers in Utah.

Family owns a golf course in SLC suburbs.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 8, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One other Old Guy Here

Goodnight

There is nothing wrong that a string of W's wouldn't fix!

by oldcat70 on Mar 8, 2009 9:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

2009 season

What a terrible disappointment this season has been. You are right on every point Tru. But, we have no choice but to support the team and coach next year. It will probably be more of the same if PPat and JMeeks leave.

by iam4ukintn on Mar 8, 2009 10:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well she certainly isn't saying

that he is staying 4 years anymore, is she? I was hoping (selfishly, I know) for an indication he was leaning toward staying, and I certainly didn’t get that—though I’m really glad she/the family seem to really appreciate and feel a part of Kentucky basketball and its fans, if as perplexed as the rest of us about what the hell has gone wrong. She says "right now I don’t understand what is going on. " Well, join the club, lady : )

From everything I’ve heard and read, they always seem to have such a great, close family.

by blue kentucky girl on Mar 8, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice read, Tru.

Hope Ron White’s show gave your brain a brief respite from ASOB. Like everyone else here, I appreciate your effort – even when we lose and it’s hard to keep from breaking your keyboard.

Just rememeber, your approval ratings are higher than BCG’s. Here’s to hoping yours remain high and his come up to your level.

by hoboat33 on Mar 8, 2009 11:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Haha!

Very funny. Well, right now it wouldn’t take much to be higher than the Coach.

Hopefully, that will change.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Mar 8, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ah

come on………….its not that bad for BCG? :)

I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!

by tenken on Mar 9, 2009 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great Post/Web Site

I just wanted to say, great post Tru. This web site is awesome. As I said, I just discorved it a few months ago, and have been hooked ever since. This site makes me very proud to be a UK fan.

Regarding UK, things can only get better after this year. Lets hope this team shows some pride in the SEC tournament.

Lane

by Laird on Mar 8, 2009 11:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, Lane.

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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 9, 2009 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh

I finally just thought of this……..Ed Oregon(or however you spell it) from Ole Miss…………….This guy was Ole Miss’s coach for like two or three years. Couldn’t do what was needed to be done. Very abusive personality too. We know a football player that played for him. Now plays under Nutt. Our friend couldn’t stand him. Said he was a jerk and then Nutt comes and gives the guys some love. He has built a real commadre there in Oxford and lets see what happened? I wonder if this is possible at UK?

I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!

by tenken on Mar 9, 2009 12:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

TRUZEN...

Excellent write-up as usual. I’ve really grown to appreciate and identify with your style and presentation of thought…though I still tend to produce posts off rash emotion all too often (which I’m sure you’re aware of), while you display quite a bit more reserve and composure.

Food for thought: perhaps this horrid season will not be ending Thursday. We’re scheduled to go against two teams that are a combined 2-0 against us, but both struggled to accomplish that. My gut has always been wrong this season…but right now it’s telling me the Cats have one last breath and we will see Jodie and Pat get the guys together for one more stand, finally combining confidence and urgency to the always present effort. I’m not saying Kentucky will steal the automatic bid…but could knocking off two teams in two days, one of them being the Tigers, give us some small nod for an at-large? I somehow find it possible, and that comes from the biggest Negative Nancy of the past couple weeks. Ciao.

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by jared powell on Mar 9, 2009 1:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I Doubt It

UK needs 22 or 23 W by next Sunday for at-large bid.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 9, 2009 6:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope so, Jared.

These kids need to reclaim the joy of college basketball, and forget about the pressure of winning. Enjoy the game, the competition. Try to execute. But don’t put the weight of the world on your shoulders.

Let’s see if Gillispie is any good at psychology.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Mar 9, 2009 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Porter gets too much time

because he gives up SO MUCH on the defensive end, turns it over constantly etc. At least with Liggins, Galloway and Miller you know the defense and athleticism is there. Every time Gillespie puts Galloway in it’s for Meeks. Like to see him in for Porter instead.

No sense of urgency was displayed all game long by anyone. Sure guys would yell after a dunk but someone should have been shouting their heads off every time we fell behind. Gillespie should have called time outs and thrown tantrums until his players threw the ball into the high post against the zone instead of continuing to throw it around the perimeter for 30 seconds and then forcing a bad shot. That’s if they were lucky enough not to turn it over in that time span. No one played well except for Harris. Meeks has made horrible decisions on passing and just dribbling out of control for the past few games. Patterson played hard but his touch seems gone.

by ILcatsfan on Mar 9, 2009 7:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

make nice, billy g.

great analysis here— the post and the comments.

it is very easy to forget that coach clyde works for the university and has to answer to barnhart et al. i agree that even the best coaches have bad seasons, but the added ingredient here is, as tru says, the complete alienation of the big blue nation by coach g.

sign the contract, make nice with tom leach, make up with jeanine edwards, and treat the fans with the respect that we deserve.

let us in a little bit and the potential for sympathy and empathy are there. or continue to morph into the howard hughes of harrodsburg road and be gone in a year.

either way, something has to give

by mateotemprano1 on Mar 9, 2009 8:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bad Year

I forget exactly who said it on here, but someone mentioned that maybe Billy is just having a bad year. That is exactly what I am going to chalk this season up as “just a bad year.” This time last year we were in love with our team – post after post about how special they were, posts about heart, and references to the Unforgettables. This time last year we were in love with our coach – he won SEC co-coach of the year honors, and we couldnt have been prouder! “Look at all he’s done with odds continually stacked against him” – people said as he were plagued with injuries.

Well, this was a bad year, not only statistically, but we dont have any of those “warm fuzzies” that we had last year either. So, if you look realistically at this situation, we have TWO seasons under our current coach and one was – though not the winningest season – was a really beautiful and memorable team that I heard and read so many people say they were “proud to be a part of.” The other season was bad – plain and simple. But so far, that is what we have to go on – one special season and one bad season.

I just dont feel the whole “end of the world” thing.

I believe in Billy G.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 9, 2009 8:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm glad you don't feel the end of the world.

Neither do I, but I can understand a little apocalyptic talk.

It has been a tough year.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Mar 9, 2009 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the

most disturbing part of all this for me is that the players seem to be afraid to do something wrong. That concerns me.

I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!

by tenken on Mar 9, 2009 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He Never Really Had One (Bad Year) Since 2003 At UTEP

Last year (2008) was pretty decent given all the injuries.

But 2009 is a train wreck, to be sure.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 9, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope you're right, kentuckygirl

And hey, you very well could be. When you’re at the nadir of suckiness, it is just hard to be positive, but you’re right, it’s not like everything as been all wrong for his whole almost-two-seasons here. I was relatively pleased and hopeful at the end of last season, and shouldn’t forget that. For sure 09 has been a train wreck…hopefully Coach is getting all the bad out of his system this year.

by blue kentucky girl on Mar 9, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not necessarily at the nadir

if Meeks and Patterson both go pro, next year could be much worse if Gillispie doesn’t get the team back. How bad would we have been this year without those guys carrying us? I’m high on Hood and Orton, but they don’t replace Meeks and Patterson by any stretch.

by EEWildcat on Mar 10, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you may be right, but god I hope not

I’ve thought several times this season, “well, at least it can’t get any worse than THIS.” And then I’ve been wrong.

by blue kentucky girl on Mar 11, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The lights are on but nobody's home.

Saturday was the first game I can ever remember trying to miss. I can only imagine how hard this blog has become for you! Myself, I can ride out into the woods and find serenity in more cohesive things. For you true, well all I will say is it must be copias amounts of the bottle! So thank you! This is a trying time for us all, and you (for the most part) have become a cense of sanity in what has become a otherwise insane year.

As for any real insight on this team from me, I’m over it!!!! I will continue to read ASofB and follow half heartedly, but thats all I can muster for this squad. I

Finally, I sure hope Billy doesn’ t stoop to the level of the Eddie Suttens of the world. As you kind of suggested., I have been becoming more and more scared of what this coach may be capable of!!

by bigbluefan on Mar 9, 2009 11:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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