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The opinions are strongly held and varying -- Billy Gillispie is the man for the job; he just needs more time, or Billy Gillispie is the man that needs to find a real estate agent to dump his 12,000-square foot fortress of loneliness, and right quick. 

Both sides of the aisle have valid, cogent points; they both can claim reasonable, and persuasive arguments; most importantly though, they both possess righteous passion regarding Kentucky basketball.

The "Billy Must Go" Set

The most common argument from this side of the debate is that (1) Gillispie is too hard-headed for his own good, (2) too in love with his own philosophies, and (3) too out of touch with what it takes to win at a high level, i.e. he's in over his head. (4) They've grown tired of players performing effectively one game, only to be relegated to the pine the next. (5) They're distressed by the Bobby Knight-treatment of sports reporters, (6) and many are quickly becoming fed-up with Gillispie's classless attitude toward the "Voice of the Wildcats," Tom Leach. 

 

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(7) After watching nearly two complete seasons worth of head-scratching moves, some fans have simply grown weary, and frustrated. (8) Watching Gillispie's teams play sketchy man-to-man defense, especially when his two UK teams are/were prototypical zone defense teams, have left many Big Blue supporters feeling fatigued. (9) And it doesn't help that recently the team has played like they don't "mean it," making it harder to find fault with those who espouse that he must go.

It's not dissimilar to a prosecutor attempting to build a case that he/she is bringing to trial: If only one or two of the above indiscretions were all the anti-Billy crowd could come muster as a basis for his immediate dismissal, then their argument would be much weaker.  But considering the mountain of evidence in existence, one finds it more difficult to dismiss their points as the ravings of the Wildcat lunatic fringe.

The "Billy Must Stay" Set

What many of Gillispie's supporters will yell from the mountaintop is that (1) Billy inherited a roster more suited for the OVC, not the SEC.  Kentucky, especially recently, has been hurt by the lack of a big man to take some of the heat off of Patrick Patterson, say the Billy backers. (2) Billy's bad luck is another point of contention, that many say is not his fault: The transfer of Derrick Jasper robbed UK of a potential starting lead guard, and the loss of Alex Legion left UK with only one bona-fide outside shooting threat.

Gillispie's group will also point to (3) his revival of two bottom-feeder basketball programs, in Texas A&M and UTEP.  How could he have accomplished the near impossible by turning around those two programs if he didn't know what he was doing? (4) One of the by-products of those remarkably quick turnarounds are numerous conference Coach of the Year awards that Gillispie has collected atop his otherwise empty mantle.  It begs the question: How can a guy so respected by his peers not know what he's doing?

And finally, (5) what would firing a coach after only two years, especially when he took over a program lacking in top 20 talent, say to the currently happily employed potential Barnhart targets?  MITCH -- "I know we got rid of Billy after only two years, but some of the things he did were very disturbing.  You'll get more time."  Billy's backers say that wouldn't wash with the top-notch coaching talent that UK would be pursuing.

(6) An unintended result of an immediate banishment of Billy is the possible transfer of current UK players, leaving the roster thinner than the Olsen twins.  Also, the potential of committed players begging out of their Letters of Intent is another real possibility. (7) That would elevate UK's status as an unstable program to heights never seen before in these parts.

Says the coach's supporters, (8) Billy deserves time to get his own players in Lexington.  Every coach deserves at least four years to fill the roster with his recruits, then we'll make a judgment.  Those are the most often-heard words of prudence coming from the Billy must stay crowd.  And they ring true, at least to me.

Straddlin'

What we must remember 'Cat fans, is that both Parties, err, sides of the debate, are right.  That is a rarity indeed.  I find myself swinging from side to side, unsure which course of action is the best for the program ...

But in the end, what I think, what you think, and what former players think, is moot.  The only two opinions that matter are those of UK President Lee Todd, and Athletic Director Mitch Barnhart.  They are both paid a handsome sum to ensure the integrity of the University, and it's athletic department, remain strong.  Also, they are both charged with ensuring that the basketball coach is living up to the standards set by his predecessors.

At the same time, they must not de-stabilize the "Roman Empire" of college basketball by making indiscriminate decisions based on incomplete data.  And with college basketball's preeminent program teetering on the verge of irrelevance, careful consideration must be given before action is taken.

Where's the D?

For those looking to place blame for UK's 3-7 record over the last 10 games, look no further -- In UK's first 20 games they gave up an average of 63.5 points per game, 36.4% field goal shooting, and 32.9% three-point shooting.  If one takes out the aberration that was the VMI game, their first 20 games defensive numbers look like this: 60.9 points per game, 35.6% field goal shooting, and 31.8% three-point shooting.

In their last 10 games, the numbers look decidedly un-Kentucky-like: 73.2 points per game, 43.1% field goal shooting, and 38.0% three-point shooting.

I don't know why Alex Legion transferred.  I realize he reportedly has an aversion to playing defense, but he would fit right in with this group of defense-less 'Cats.

Thanks for reading, and Go 'Cats!

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2 Years Not Enough EVEN TO FIRE EDDIE SUTTON

He was cheating from the Get Go and drinking even sooner than that.

If Sutton got 4 years, Gillispie deserves AT LEAST 5 years.

Regardless of W-L record or SEC / NCAA results, UK need to give him more time.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 6, 2009 5:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Just because Sutton got 4 years-

Doesn’t mean he deserved to.

by Pap Cat on Mar 7, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sure He Did

He was 77-21 before he got caught cheating.

He was 13-19 after he got caught.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 7, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Day After The Day After

Last night I was ready for BG to be gone. And I still feel he isn’t the right fit here. But I do understand the whole “two years aren’t enough” argument . I hope he can turn it around and make many,including myself,eat some serious crow. But I think if allowed to stay,which he will be,things will get a lot worse.

by maysvilleblue on Mar 6, 2009 5:43 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think he should stay.

For a long time.

Really long time.

My Gators need all the help they can get to rebuild and get back on top of this conference. :)

Orange and Blue Hue: The World through GATOR-colored Glasses -- http://www.orangeandbluehue.com

by Gatorpilot on Mar 6, 2009 5:47 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

lol

Not nice, gp. Funny, but not nice : )

by blue kentucky girl on Mar 6, 2009 5:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, we all have to find a way to laugh here.

We’ve got nothing else to chuckle about. Right? It’s misery, served in a cold tortilla of moldy turnovers and garnished with wimpy defensive play.

Georgia beats both UK and UF in one of their worst seasons on record (and there have been a lot of bad ones for them.) Somebody pull the plug!

Orange and Blue Hue: The World through GATOR-colored Glasses -- http://www.orangeandbluehue.com

by Gatorpilot on Mar 6, 2009 6:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Amen.

When this season ends, I may go on a bender just to celebrate.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Mar 6, 2009 6:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Tru

Just head to the golf course…best place in the world to forget your frustrations and knock that little white ball all over the course. :-)

by kykat51 on Mar 6, 2009 6:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey

Don’t forget your cooler full of beer.

by kykat51 on Mar 6, 2009 6:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't ...

… drink much beer on the golf course these days. I have been known to take a tipple from my flask, though. :-)

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Mar 7, 2009 7:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He's 2-1 Vs Your Gators

Be careful what you wish for…

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 6, 2009 7:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting piece Mr Howlett...

I like you how you laid out the arguements for and against BCG. I am going to stay out of the entire arguement other than to offer this. Hopefully after this season is over, coach will take a hard introspective look at his philosophy and practices and try to learn from it. Stubborness can be good while at the same time be the cause of a downfall. I believe any good professional in any sport or occupation should review how they do things and what changes may be warranted to allow for greater success.

Some areas I would like to see revisited are his personnel decisions, defensive philosophies, practice habits and attitufe toward the media. These are not criticisms from me however he has to realize that everyone is blame for the results of this season from the coach on down and everyone has room for improvement. A stubborn refusal to at least look inward would be enough evidence for me to think about what is best for the future of the UK program.

Slower Traffic Keep Right!

by SevenRings on Mar 6, 2009 5:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, Seven

Regardless of which side of the debate one falls on, you make excellent points that hopefully G will take to heart.

by Ken Howlett on Mar 6, 2009 5:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Great commentary Ken

You gave both sides of the equation for everyone to consider.

It’s no secret that our defense has been lacking since we were 5-0 in SEC play as JLeverenze so aptly showed in his fanpost. I don’t know if the team just thought at that point they would just let Meeks and Patterson continue to carry the team or what. I do know that Porter has continued to give his all even he has played out of position most of the year. Some others have showed signs of getting better, but then again, this team has lacked consistency.

Anyway, thanks for your excellent work.

by kykat51 on Mar 6, 2009 5:55 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Debate Squad

Perhaps you could present this arguement to the UK debate team for a go!
[By the way- 1982 Kentucky High School Debate Champ here!] That experience has always taught me to see all sides of an issue.
If this post is any indication, you must be a Master Debater as well. :-) [play-on-words completely intended to be good-hearted]
Nice!

by LyricSmith on Mar 6, 2009 6:29 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Good one, Lyric!

No, I’m not a “master-debater,” but I pine to be :)

by Ken Howlett on Mar 6, 2009 6:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I Deplore The Duplicity Involved

One of my favorite debate “lines” from HS days.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 6, 2009 7:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Forty, I have a question

Do you have all these facts and figures in your head or a good reference system?

There is nothing wrong that a string of W's wouldn't fix!

by oldcat70 on Mar 6, 2009 7:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Mostly From Memory

I have to look up some.

I’m educated as IE (heavily stat based) and work in Insurance (ditto on the stats).

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 6, 2009 7:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not me

I wasn’t the greatest in my younger days and now I remember less everyday. My wife says I have a selective memory. I can remember some things and nothing She says.

There is nothing wrong that a string of W's wouldn't fix!

by oldcat70 on Mar 6, 2009 7:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Patience grasshopper

I tend to be more forgiving than the average UK fan and would like to give him more time to develop the team. The lack of a true point guard has drastically hampered this team. I am not sure coaching at this level is as easy as many Uk fans seem to think it is. I at least played basketball in high school but I’ll bet many haven’t even played the game. I am more optimistic that next years team could be better but I will admit this years team has underwhelmed me with their mediocre play.

by gright on Mar 6, 2009 6:36 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

You know ...

… it could be that the guy just had a bad year. It happens to me all the time.

But fortunately, the good years make up for it. Sometimes we just don’t do well — for whatever reason. The best of intentions, the training, the experience, the hard work sometimes just don’t pay off. Sometimes you just fail. I have seen guys go into business who knew what they were doing, were aces at their profession, worked their buts off and just failed. The following year, they turned it around. It’s a familiar theme.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Mar 6, 2009 6:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bad year ...

… that is most certainly a possibility.

Sometimes everything you try ends up biting you in the behind … I think we all can relate to that.

by Ken Howlett on Mar 6, 2009 6:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You

guys know how I feel as I have stated numerouis times over the last few days. I think the most valid arguement for the other side is that this team isn’t improving its degressing. That is concerning.

by tenken on Mar 6, 2009 6:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Good article Ken!

You keep out doing yourself. You keep this up and some BIG paper will come calling.

There is nothing wrong that a string of W's wouldn't fix!

by oldcat70 on Mar 6, 2009 7:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks 70

By the way, your tag line is the truest thing I’ve read all day.

by Ken Howlett on Mar 6, 2009 7:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's so true

Nothing like winning to settle us down.

There is nothing wrong that a string of W's wouldn't fix!

by oldcat70 on Mar 6, 2009 7:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Good summarization Ken

I am one of many (all?) who has been frustrated by the perceived lack of adjustment of the game plan to the personnel BCG has available. I am of the school of thought that you start with personnel first and game plan second whereas BCG seems to prefer to switch those.

As frustrated as I am, I also am willing to grant him the benefit of doubt to see what he can do over the next 2-3 years. It is sometimes necessary to go through some pain to fix a problem and I would like to see him get the time needed. As Tru said a few weeks ago, I don’t like a lot of things he does, but I’m done complaining about substitution patterns and Gillispie-Brand Man-to-Man defense and whatnot.

I really hope he can turn things around these final games. Even if it means an NIT run, I hope the season ends with some legitimate hope for the near future.

I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra

by JLeverenz on Mar 6, 2009 9:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Game plans?

Hi everybody, I am new here. However I have been reading comments for a couple of weeks. BCG is a good coach but he is his own worst enemy. He needs to chill out with the reporters and answer their questions. He represents KY and he has been a little short with all of them. Now game plans. I honestly think he tries to have a game plan but when the game starts, he or the guys forget it most of the time. They have to hussle more. Sometimes I think he runs them to hard before the games and they have heavey legs. One step slower lets a guy get a better look on the perimeter. That might explain the teams half effort appearence on the floor. It is not that they dont care they are just worn out before the first whistle.

by Old Blue Cat on Mar 6, 2009 10:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Welcome Old Blue Cat!

We are glad to have you.

Thanks for your comment … keep ’em coming!

by Ken Howlett on Mar 7, 2009 2:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Welcome

Glad to have you.

Gillispie has always been the way he is with reporters. He was that way at A&M. I doubt it will change. Frankly, nobody will notice if the team wins.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Mar 7, 2009 7:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I will agree

I didn’t vote for Obama…but after 4 years I hope he does well enough for me to be the first in neighborhood to put up his campaign sign……I don’t like BCG at this moment in time…but I’ll give him 1 more year….The big question for me is that if JM and PP leave this year for the pros….oh my…a team of freshmen and sophomores cannot be good for BCG.

by bradcatfan on Mar 7, 2009 7:02 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Public Persona

Hi Folks. My first post. I have learned so much from you. I appreciate what the moderators do here to keep this the preeminent UK site.

I know virtually nothing about the x’s and o’s of basketball, so I rely on the rest of you to help me with that. However, having taught public high school for 28 years, I learned something about interacting with others. On more occasions than I care to count, an irate parent would come in to set me straight. I usually knew what had led to the conference, so I could have been very defensive. I learned after a few years, to walk in with a smile, look at them and say, " What can I do to help you?" They were usually disarmed and when they left everything was cleared up. I had nothing to gain by going in with an " I’ll show these folks I’m right attitude", even if I was.

BCG is paid handsomely to be the face of UK basketball. Even if he loathes every word a reporter speaks, he has an obligation to treat them with civility. It bothers me that he deals with them negatively so often. The " He’s just intense" justification won’t work. Being a jerk is inexcusable when you represent the University of Kentucky and its basketball program.

You guys can sort out the fundamentals of the game, but until he learns how to handle what he considers senseless questions, he doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt from me. For me, it’s more than wins and losses.

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro...Hunter S. Thompson

by UK72CatFan on Mar 7, 2009 7:31 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Great post

And I agree 100%. You put into words excatly what I have been trying to say for three days now.

by maysvilleblue on Mar 7, 2009 8:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Great delineation of the dilemma

It is a sad state of affairs when we are debating which is going to do more damage to our program: firing the coach now or keeping him for another year.

On offense today, I thought our team did an excellent job of doing what the coach told them to do. That was the problem. Florida also knew what Billy was telling our players to do; they were waiting for us. 23 turnovers. Patterson gets blocked by a little guy because he was trying to shoot off balance with 3 defenders on him.

On defense, Calathes fairly easily did a back up and spin move to get a half step on whoever was guarding him to get a half step advantage and to draw another UK defender to him. So he kicked to the unguarded player. Team after team has been taking advantage of our overly aggressive defense on players 40 feet from the basket.

I don’t think Barnhart can fire Billy now. He needs to give Billy some more rope (to hang himself). Those of us in the BBN may be able to see the problems, but the bigger world doesn’t have all the facts.

The perception (perceptions are perceptions; they may or may not be based on any, some or rarely all the facts, but they are the basis of judgments many people make) nationally of UK right now is that we fired/ran off a coach who failed to win 25-30 games two years in a row. A coach who won a national championship. A coach with a 75% win record. A coach with enough respect among his peers to be elected president of their national organization.

Now UK is going to fire a coach who is likely to average 20 wins a year in his first two seasons? If we do that, I think the perception among prospective coaches will be that if I don’t win 25 games a year, I’m going to be fired. No outstanding coach with a secure job is going to walk into a situation like that.

And a new coach coming in would have to be given an opportunity to get his own players because none of the players brought in by the two previous coaches can play my game. We don’t need to go down that road again.

Billy needs one more year. But Barnhart needs to lay down some principles. Billy has principles; Barnhart needs to have some too. 1. Billy stops attacking honest news media people. 2. Billy demonstrates that he has an offense with more than 2 set plays. 3. Billy learns to speak English correctly in public.

Barnhart needs to issue a statement soon which says that he supports Gillispie, that he has met with Gillispie, that they both are disappointed with the results of the current season, and that both Barnhart and Gillispie expect improvement for the coming year.

This would send the signal to wanna be UK coaches that the job is open if Billy doesn’t produce a more credible product. Word would get around. Those coaches would have a year to evaluate UK and Barnhart would have a year to evaluate them.

If Billy meets Barnhart’s criteria he gets another year; if he doesn’t he’s out.

If Gillispie fails to produce improvement and leaves/gets fired after next season, I think we can entice a top level coach with long term potential to come to work in Lexington. If we do it now, I don’t think we will get much better than what we have. Horn, Pelphrey, Ford have fewer accomplishments than Gillispie at this point.

by Fortunatus on Mar 7, 2009 9:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Barnhart Should Have Discerned Those 1-2-3 Points Back In 2007

The UK job is not for everyone. The 2007 “search” confirms that.

It was difficult to fill in 1985 and 1989. Not in 1972 or 1997.

4 years minimum, I say 5 preferred. REGARDLESS of W-L record next year.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 8, 2009 9:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

regardless of record next year?

So if the Cats go lets say 17-15 and miss the NCAA tournament again you would still want to keep him?. You must be a Florida or Tennessee fan.

by catonic2206 on Mar 11, 2009 6:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

billy g or billy d

didn’t florida miss the NCAA tourney??? of course they did…are there some things coach g should have done in-game to salvage some of the more embarrassing losses…perhaps…but heaving your coach with current talent getting much needed experience to pass onto the incoming classes that are talented…would only cause a mass jump from the Wildcat ship…he needs to get the same time that tubby got…tubby inherited a championship caliber team and slowly dismantled it into having 1 good recruiting class in his last 6 years….ugh…get off of billy’s back and get behind it… it’s this type of crap that the national press latches onto about our crazy fan base that deters not only some of the top flight players into staying away…but also drives them off once they get here…stop it…support the team and the coach at all times…scream in the shower like I do and keep the public floggings from ever taking hold…damn.

by fincity on Mar 22, 2009 10:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

let's not forget

that it took adolph rupp nearly 15 years to win his first title…and he had two all americans in aggie sale and carey spicer and still didn’t win…I bleed blue…I would love for the Cats to be final four material every year…but, they’re kids…and they are learning… this group will make us proud if we just step back take a deep breath and let them play without putting so much damn pressure on them…

by fincity on Mar 22, 2009 11:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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