Georgia 90, Kentucky 85: Postmortem
by Truzenzuzex on Mar 4, 2009 10:48 PM EST
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This is the ghost of Truzenzuex. The corporeal Truzenzuzex has spread himself on the wind, and passed into memory.
Congratulations to the Georgia Bulldogs on a magnificent victory. They had absolutely nothing to play for but pride, and that was apparently all they needed to beat a completely feckless Kentucky team tonight. It wasn't that UK played bad -- statistics will probably say we played OK. But Georgia was terrific, and they earned a great victory tonight. Sadly, I doubt anyone in Georgia will notice, so it falls on me to sing their praises. Great job, Dawgs. Well done.
And now comes the hard part.
I could sit here and type all night and not get everything dealt with, so I'm not even going to try. I am just going to write a lament -- a lament for a team that could have been, a lament for one of the worst seasons I can remember no matter what happens next, and a lament for the state of the Big Blue Nation. It is in shambles, there is nothing left but wreckage. The recriminations will terrible, the reaction, swift.
I consider myself a mature person, and even though I shout and curse during games, I try to show restraint and class no matter what the outcome. It would be helpful if everyone else in the BBN would eschew their righteous anger and join me, but I fully expect that will not happen. For those who cannot control themselves, I pray you go elsewhere. For those who can, please join me in a moment of silence for a season which once looked promising, but now cannot be rescued, even by a miracle run in the SEC tournament.
I don't know who to feel worse for -- Patrick Patterson or Jared Carter. Carter gets the unfortunate distinction of being the senior who was honored on one of Kentucky's most ignominious nights. I don't mean my comments to demean or minimize the impressive and praiseworthy efforts of the Bulldogs. But hopefully, Georgia fans reading this will understand what was on the line, what the Georgia team had done, and what needed to happen for Kentucky to rescue the season.
I said a few days back that I retained no hopes for this season, and that is so. This loss finds me completely numb and impervious to pain. If someone brought in a knife and cut off one of my limbs, I would scarcely notice. This season has been something I hope to never be able to remember in my dotage. Not Alzheimer's, mind you, but a little dementia might be a good thing.
I don't know how Billy Gillispie recovers from this. I know Kentucky cannot fire him after two years without doing more damage to the program, and frankly, I don't think he deserves to be fired. But those who desire to get rid of him now have a strong case. I don't agree, but my arguments have sadly been reduced to, "It just ain't right to fire somebody after two years." That's it.
I'm not going to review what the team did, or the things that happened. They are pretty much irrelevant. There comes a time when the only thing that matters is the outcome, and this is one of those times. For all the players, the ones who played hard and the ones who did not, it is sackcloth and ashes. For the Big Blue Nation, it is self-flagellation for the foreseeable future. The players get off lucky. My back is already bloody.
It's difficult to explain what it's like being a blogger in this time. I can honestly say that if I could ethically do it, I would abandon this blog for at least two months, maybe more. But I can't, and it wouldn't be right, not only to SB Nation, but to all those who have come to stand and defend a fan's right not to be continuously subjected to hateful invective, and to rationally discuss the Wildcats, however deep and bottomless the pit may seem. Right now, it looks like we'll all be falling forever through the dark ...
Tomorrow, I'm sure my perspective will be better. I am confident of it. Perhaps this is a karmic burden that UK somehow accumulated in the 1990's that we have not yet properly worked off. Perhaps it is Tubby Smith praying to JoBu that UK fans suffer the misery many of them inflicted on him at times. Perhaps it is Rick Pitino asking the Pope to pray for a little Big Blue misery. Perhaps I'm just making stuff up, but that's what I do.
Anyway, discuss to your heart's content, but do remember my rules of civility. I will not relax them just because all of you are as miserable as I. I'll leave you with this -- I think we have fairly earned what we have coming from the press and media. Steel yourselves for the worst, because if you suppose this is it, you are engaging in wishful thinking.
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1979 And 2009
30 years apart, maybe history improves itself.
UK came from nowhere to almost W the SECT 30 years ago.
Somehow, maybe a repeat performance is possible.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 4, 2009 10:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
(BTW, I meant this in response to Tru’s comment in the game thread. I do not mean this as a gloat-y UT fan at all. Honestly, I’d rather see UK in the tournament. Sorry if it reads otherwise.)
by Hooper on Mar 4, 2009 10:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No problem, man.
I know you for the class act that you are.
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 4, 2009 10:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know.
But I also know that this is not the time to risk any confusion over something like that.
by Hooper on Mar 4, 2009 10:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
:-)
Gotcha.
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 4, 2009 10:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I also didn't have any problem with it
I wasn’t sure what you were referring to, exactly, but I knew you’re heart was in the right place ;-)
I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra
by JLeverenz on Mar 4, 2009 10:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sad
I am so disappointed. At the beginning of this season, for the first time in a few years, I had hope that we could be a player on the national stage. With luck, a few good bounces, make a tourney run. Now, it is another lost March and watching teams that I do not like (UL, Duke, UNC) playing for the gold. This has to end sometime, doesn’t it.
by wklawdog on Mar 4, 2009 10:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I suppose ...
… we’ll now have to suffer through a North Carolina NC.
or worse … a Traitor Rick schadenfreudefest.
Woe is me.
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 4, 2009 10:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I still don't think UNC will win
they don’t play defense and that’s not going to suddenly change in the last 6 games.
I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra
by JLeverenz on Mar 4, 2009 10:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But it’s Hansbrough! (sp?) How can ESPN UNC not win?
;-)
by Hooper on Mar 4, 2009 10:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just upped in my mouth.
Need bourbon for cleansing. Be back.
by wklawdog on Mar 4, 2009 10:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha!
Thanks for making me smile. :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 4, 2009 10:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Never give up...
… a lot of people really enjoy what you do here, Tru. Things will get better eventually, either with Billy G or without him. (Personally, I think it’ll have to be the latter.)
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by Gatorpilot on Mar 4, 2009 10:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well ...
… I guess I can’t take anything out on you guys.
It’ll be the battle of the “who cares?” on Saturday, I guess. :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 4, 2009 11:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
I just want it to be over. Maybe we can get Tim Tebow on the hoops team next year.
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by Gatorpilot on Mar 4, 2009 11:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You know Tim Tebow counsels Billy Donovan....
right after he is done counting to infinity…..J/K
:))
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by SevenRings on Mar 4, 2009 11:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You put Tebow out there; we'll put Eric Berry out there!
And basketball will never be the same. ;-)
by Hooper on Mar 4, 2009 11:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Id pay good mney
to watch that
Cannons... fire them.
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by Craig T on Mar 4, 2009 11:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hooper
don’t you just love Eric Berry. I love that kid! His demeanor actually reminds me of Patrick Patterson. Just a cool kid. He was the only bright spot in a horrible UT season.
by tenken on Mar 5, 2009 12:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
The great thing is that he’s so well-composed off the field. Setting his performances aside, he’s the kind of kid you love to have representing the university.
by Hooper on Mar 5, 2009 10:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh
and I do believe he might be in running next year for the Heisman.
by tenken on Mar 5, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
Both on the Heisman running and on the possibility of leaving. He’s probably a top-10 guy, barring any disasters, and that’s really hard to turn down. I think the new staff would fully support that as well; he would then be a selling pitch on the recruiting trail (early to the NFL! come here! woo!).
And I’ll truncate here as well to avoid further threadjacking.
by Hooper on Mar 5, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Heh. You'd ...
… probably win another national championship if you just made him the guy that towels off the deck after players fall down. :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 4, 2009 11:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's been a trying season
Actually, it’s been a trying two-thirds-conference season. I’m with you Tru, I don’t have any emotion left for this team. I didn’t have any for the LSU game and I don’t have any tonight. I’m disappointed and sad they lost, but it’s an “intellectual” disappointment without any emotion if that makes any sense.
I wasn’t crazy about the BCG hire two years ago, but last season showed me enough to believe he could be a good coach. He still might, but the utter lack of progress and accompanying collapse of this team has thrown that into serious doubt.
I mentioned this at the end of the game thread, but I still think UK can get a bid without winning the tournament. I’m not sure I would take any joy in that, but it would extend the streak and that’s really the only thing left worth shooting for.
I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra
by JLeverenz on Mar 4, 2009 10:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Coach said to Tom
after the game that he would not throw his people under the bus, but the next question he throws several of them under the bus by name. What’s that about?
by catmax on Mar 4, 2009 10:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I give up.
What’s that about? :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 4, 2009 10:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Was
BCG getting pelted by bottles after the game was over? I saw that on KSR and wanted to come to level headed site to get an answer
by JoshuaClaytor on Mar 4, 2009 11:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No idea.
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 4, 2009 11:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can't even get KSR to download.
They must be in meltdown over there.
by wklawdog on Mar 4, 2009 11:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We have ...
… a much more robust infrastructure here.
I almost regret that …
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 4, 2009 11:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Robust. HA.
Our members are much older and can’t type fast enough to melt the place down. Myself included.
by wklawdog on Mar 4, 2009 11:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I noticed that as well
“I won’t blame my players Tom, I won’t do it.”
“Well, Perry wasn’t rebounding… Josh got in there and got lost… Mike got beat…”
I was confused.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Mar 5, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am gonna hop off here and watch a movie I just got from NetFlix....
Ironically it is called Traitor
Slower Traffic Keep Right!
by SevenRings on Mar 4, 2009 11:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Karma?
:-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 4, 2009 11:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not to add too much at this time, but I do have a question for you basketball experts.
If the loser of the Florida/Kentucky game were to win the SEC tourney, would that guarantee that the winner of the Florida/Kentucky game would miss the NCAA tourney? (I.e. if Kentucky won on Sunday but Florida won the SEC tourney, would that guarantee UK’s absence, even if they went all the way to the final round in the tournament?)
by Hooper on Mar 4, 2009 11:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I suppose that I can answer that
as soon as I figure out how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
by wklawdog on Mar 4, 2009 11:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kentucky
and Florida’s only chance to go dancing is to make the finals. If they both made it to the finals then I would say that they are both in. No matter who lost but honestly I think UK has a chance to not make it all if we don’t win the tourney.. We have lost 7 out 10 and that is awful.
by tenken on Mar 5, 2009 5:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Painful
Season but my goodness…tonight was horrendous. I am with Tru on this one though…you just don’t fire a man after two years. The damage done to UK this season would only be magnified by the firing of Billy G. Who do you get to replace him anyway?
Give him one more year…same old crap next year…get him gone.
by ukfan4sure on Mar 4, 2009 11:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'll stand my ground with him till we get somewhat a complete team(i.e. dedicated, solid PG)
by teambeam on Mar 4, 2009 11:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So, to be clear here.
You are saying four years. Even if no NCAA this year or next year?
by wklawdog on Mar 4, 2009 11:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 4, 2009 11:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Four years is a fair number, unless,
there is gross mismanagement. A repeat year of this year’s fiasco would qualify.
by hoboat33 on Mar 5, 2009 12:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It would have been very different with Jasper on the team.. Can't put that blame on Coach.
However, we are justified in our expectation that coach should have done better with this team.
by khlim2 on Mar 4, 2009 11:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It should have
been different. I don’t think any one of us can fully know the internal actions that caused the collapse of this team. I am confident of internal damages. Whether or not it was Billy G. , I don’t know. I am willing to ride with him for at least one more season before hanging him in effigy.
by ukfan4sure on Mar 4, 2009 11:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just keep wondering......what caused the collapse????
….We were 5-0 in SEC play and confidence was riding high!…..just….stunned
by teambeam on Mar 4, 2009 11:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Heh.
Well, I have no idea what to say. Can we play UT 16 times? We might win then.
I can’t explain it, I’m afraid. UT is a good team, we beat them like they made a pass at our collective mothers.
But we can’t beat the worst team in the SEC at home.
I think this is the Twilight Zone.
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 4, 2009 11:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe we can play UT
16 times in bball in exchange for letting them play us 12 games in football……
by memphis wildcat on Mar 4, 2009 11:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey!
We’re just starting to get into this basketball thing, now…
by Hooper on Mar 4, 2009 11:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
But you look like SEC East winners to me, if you can handle USC.
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 4, 2009 11:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Damnedest thing I've ever seen ...
… in 35+ years as a Wildcat fan.
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 4, 2009 11:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
TRU
if you can stick it out, i will stand with you.
just hope the ugliness will not get too bad – and i know it will not with you in charge.
if anything, i do believe this loss just might pull us together as we circle the wagons against the national media. afterall, this is a family issue, a bbn issue and they can just stay OUT….
I do agree with you that unfortunately all us BCG “supporters” are left with is that you just cannot fire a coach after 2 years without “cause”
by memphis wildcat on Mar 4, 2009 11:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Aw, man ...
… I’ll be here. I can’t abandon my peeps. :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 4, 2009 11:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Please
dont leave me, Tru. I am realisticc. Two more years and I will relent….
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 4, 2009 11:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not ...
… going anywhere. Just a little hyperbole. :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 4, 2009 11:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
had no doubt you would be here
was just letting you know i was kidding on the game thread about abandoning the blogs….
by memphis wildcat on Mar 4, 2009 11:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I totally admire the passion of the people on this board.
Many fanbases would put their heads down and sulk after a bad loss. And while there’s some obvious frustration here, moreso it shows your passion.
UK will be back. And maybe still this year. They are an SEC Tournament run away from getting hot and being a troublesome first round foe.
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by PJS on Mar 4, 2009 11:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, PJS.
Nice of you to say.
I must admit, I don’t feel anything right now. I’m not mad, I’m not anything really. Just numb.
Whatever happens, happens. If we win the tourney, I’m not convinced right now that I will care.
But I might. :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 4, 2009 11:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure you will. And there'll be like 25,000 comments on your post mortem.
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by PJS on Mar 4, 2009 11:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
Well, we do have a lot of fans unhappy fans. :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 4, 2009 11:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts exactly
Tonight I didn’t curse, didn’t yell, didn’t bang my hands on the side of my chair…..just sat there……disbelief
by btcoop71 on Mar 4, 2009 11:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Picked a bad day to start a Curse Cup
Several at my office are trying to curb their cursing, so I started a cup at the office..5 cents per offending occurance…we are donating the proceeds to a local children’s home..
Attened the game last night…need to just get the checkbook out after that one!!
by cpacat on Mar 5, 2009 8:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue
Sorry, reminded me of Airplane
by btcoop71 on Mar 5, 2009 8:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you see people throw stuff at Coach last night?
by bluecrip on Mar 5, 2009 9:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They would have had to throw something the size of a VW...
for me to see it from where I was sitting:)
by cpacat on Mar 6, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hilarious!
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 6, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So at least we've confirmed the fans were not throwing automobiles...that's good.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Mar 7, 2009 10:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Would have been a good week to go to Wed night church
Then you wouldnt have had to see that train wreck in person.
by TrueBlue92 on Mar 5, 2009 9:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll vouch for that
Glad I was at church last night!
by Acdixon on Mar 5, 2009 9:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wish I was numb...
…unfortunately I don’t have the proper chemistry (either natural or artificial).
I’m extremely frustrated (like most) at how this season has turned. At this point, at least in my mind, all signs point to the Coach. People who are still trying pin this on Tubby’s recruiting aren’t being fair-minded. Our talent level is on par with the rest of the conference, if not a little higher yet we basically have split all of our games.
For me, this season is over and I’m looking towards next year.
Certainly, Gillispie deserves another year to see what he can do and then the jury.
by Clandestine on Mar 5, 2009 7:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Only Way I See Now...
Is to win the SEC tournament. We need to beat Florida for the sake of our pride, but that will no longer get us in. We cannot fire Billy after 2 seasons, and I know there will be calls for it.
To do that at this juncture would guarantee the demise of the program even further. We do know that Orton and Hood come next year, and Ferguson the next. He was complaining about the lack of another post presence. IF Patterson stays to finish what he started, we will have that. Hood will give us another good wing player. I have seen him play several times, and I do think he is the real deal. Point will again be the question, not to mention when will we actually guard someone on the perimeter.
We will get by this at some point, because we have no choice. Florida next and then play the tournament at maximum effort. There is no longer anything to lose, and we have to win it to be in it….
by JKW19742004 on Mar 4, 2009 11:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Good comment.
Welcome to the blog.
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 4, 2009 11:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tru
I love ya bud………in a Kentucky brother-sister way. I have throughly enjoyed being on this website. I have felt at home here and I appreciate you so much because you are classy. I love your post. I feel your pain. I think many of us just don’t know where to turn right now. We want to support Coach because well he is part of Kentucky. I still love him and think he is a good coach but I just don’t know what to thnk at this point. I am not that upset right now. I am sick at my stomach but I am not in tears. My tears came after LSU. What does that say? Its like a bad relationship in where you sad its over but you know it was over a long time ago. I love BG. I think he could make a tourney run and make it to the elite eight or even the sweet sixteen and salvage the season but that isnt’ likely. This team has lost its will to win. I truly feel for Coach right now and the team. We must all realize that Coach probably feels worse then anyone. We need to realize he is human. They are too. I have had a winless season in my girls league and let me tell you that no one is more upset then I am right now. All the preperation it takes and the emotions take a toll on you and I only have 3rd and 4th grade girls. My personal is not good. I have taught them all that I can, but it doesn’t take away my feeling like a big fat failure mulitply that times 1000 for BG. Its a hard time. None of us have invested what he has or those guys have. I am just sad so very very sad right now for my childhood idols. Love to all my Kentucky brethern.
by tenken on Mar 4, 2009 11:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Reciprocated. :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 4, 2009 11:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I love ya bud………in a Kentucky brother-sister way.
So uh… are we talking in a “Mountains of eastern Kentucky” kind of way… or more of a traditional metro Louisville kind of way?!!?
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Mar 5, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, goodnight all.
Get some good rest and enjoy the imminent spring weather.
by Hooper on Mar 4, 2009 11:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Later. Thanks for the commiseration.
Good luck.
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 4, 2009 11:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Will Billy G survive this?
Even at the height of the Tubby bashing, it was never as bad as what Billy G will face tonight and tomorrow.
by btcoop71 on Mar 4, 2009 11:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
he
will this year…next year he will not if it doesn’t get turned around.
by tenken on Mar 4, 2009 11:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I used to call the Saul Smith era "The Dark Ages"
What the #*@& do we call this?
by btcoop71 on Mar 4, 2009 11:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Saul Smith Era (1998-2001)
110-33, NCAA title, 3 SEC titles, 3 SECT championships.
Not So Dark Ages.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 5, 2009 6:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wrote a letter to Tubby
the summer before Saul took over at point. I urged him to start Saul over JP. I did this because of the hustle and effort he displayed when coming in off the bench. I will say that he did a good job as Forty’s stats back up.
I don’t think Tubby said, Hey this guy from Arkansas says I should start my son, I better do as he wishes. Hopefully he saw that there was support for his son to start.
In that vein I suggest we as supportive fans write a letter to BCG and let him know that we still support him and would like to see Galloway start at the point next year.
Right now I’m just waiting for this season to end so I can stop talking/thinking about it. :)
Of course, if the boys somehow caught fire I’ll still tune in to watch.
Oh, and the girls are here in my town playing in the SEC Women’s Tourney. Going to go over to Alltel to check em out. They play Georgia…..I won’t even say it.
GO BIG BLUE!!!
by bluecrip on Mar 5, 2009 7:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's a big boy.
He can handle it, I expect.
Although, I bet he isn’t looking forward to it. :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 4, 2009 11:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I
would not want to be in his situation. I feel for him. These are the times I wish he was married. It helps to have that support.
by tenken on Mar 4, 2009 11:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
These are times I wish I knew how to contact him.
I could TOTALLY help in that support area.
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 4, 2009 11:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But how does your husband feel about that...
ROFL
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Mar 5, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And you know... they do have that "Ladies Clinic" or whatever it was...
It was a special clinic on basketball for women. It cost some money to attend, but Billy G taught it himself…
You should definitely look into it!
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Mar 5, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You must really be mad about the game
Not only does Billy G get yelled at and booed by the fans for not making the NCAA tourney… But then has to go home and get yelled at for leaving dirty clothes on the floor the toilet seat down, too. That’s harsh.
by EEWildcat on Mar 4, 2009 11:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He
could TOTALLY leave the toilet seat up here. ;)
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 4, 2009 11:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dont care
I LOVE BCG!
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 5, 2009 12:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I love UK
but not enough to profess my love for BCG. I am however going to email him tonight.
by JoshuaClaytor on Mar 5, 2009 12:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What address are you going to use?
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 5, 2009 12:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure it is gonna work, but I figure it goes to the AD anyway so someone can send it to him. It worked when I mailed Tubby :)
by JoshuaClaytor on Mar 5, 2009 12:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Address
I work at a Kentucky university and that is how our email addresses go. May work. I will try as well. Thanks.
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 5, 2009 12:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I got it
from uky.edus people search. Kinda easy to use :)
by JoshuaClaytor on Mar 5, 2009 12:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
to thank him
for being a class act for the years he was here.
And something much more selfish ;/
by JoshuaClaytor on Mar 5, 2009 12:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I Still Do
He (and Gillispie, I’m sure) have E-Mail addresses that go directly to them.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 5, 2009 6:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Leave the toilet seat up
Tink I got so tickled at comment! I felt the same way until I went to the bathroom in the early morning hours in the dark and practically fell into the bowl when I sat. I was so po’d!
by kykat51 on Mar 5, 2009 6:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
BTW
Does anyone have a real explanation for why we play so badly at Rupp? I am glad our games from here on out are on the road. We may be better off there than at home.
by JKW19742004 on Mar 4, 2009 11:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It was a combination ...
… of just lack of effort, and a really ridiculous game by Georgia.
We have no idea, right now, how to win. You go out and put a team on its heels early, and they stay down. You let them hang in there, and they get up off the deck and kick the crap out of you.
This is basketball (or, hell, sports) 101.
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 4, 2009 11:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i keep going back to one question
how do teams come into rupp and shoot the lights out (USC, MSU, UGA)? and at ole miss it was the same thing.
i know some of them were open, but they were not all open.
and i do believe we play some tough defense. maybe i am in denial?
by memphis wildcat on Mar 4, 2009 11:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Karma.
Has to be. All those great seasons, we are just laboring under a Karmic burden. :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 4, 2009 11:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It was a combination ...
Well said – short and to the point!
by BewilderedBill on Mar 5, 2009 1:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Impressed....and not
Let me start by saying that I’m an avid reader of KSR and have checked this blog occasionally. Tonight I switch. I am beyond impressed at the relative rationality of both the post (Tru) and the comments I’ve read. Good stuff.
The only thing I can think after this game is this question:
“Are we that much more talented than Georgia that we should expect to beat them 10 times out of 10?” Also, “how good do you think UNC would be if they started Hansbrough, Ellington, Porter, Harris, and Stevenson?”
I don’t mean to knock our players , but realism demands it. I think our great expectations being kentucky fans cause us to drastically overestimate the talent level on this team.
by lexvegas on Mar 4, 2009 11:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well ...
… You would think that with 2 potential All-Americans, we could handle the #211 team in the nation.
Just sayin’.
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 4, 2009 11:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"how good do you think UNC would be if they started Hansbrough, Ellington, Porter, Harris, and Stevenson?"
hmmmmm….I just don’t know.
by teambeam on Mar 4, 2009 11:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not much better,
if any than UK right now. Problem is, they have not allowed their program to get to that level. We have.
by wklawdog on Mar 4, 2009 11:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
level
UNC “allowed” their program to go lower than this, if I recall correctly
by Gobe Igbloo on Mar 4, 2009 11:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not a good comparison if you are a BCG fan.
They fired that coach after two years.
by wklawdog on Mar 4, 2009 11:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
3 Years
Doherty was 53-43 in 2001-02-03.
8-20 in 2002.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 5, 2009 6:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And National Coach of the Year his first season
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Mar 5, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just Sayin
I know that my tag line is “I believe in Billy G” and I know that in many of your minds that makes me an “idiot” but as DEVESTATED as I am bu this loss to a “bottom feeding team” that had yet to win a road game, Georgia won the SEC tourney last year and who the hell would have expected that??? Kentucky could totally come out and acomplish that. I dont care. No matter what your opinions of me. It has been TWO years and this team has totally looked weak in areas that I feel that our Coach cant control. Argue if you will I DO NOT CARE. I am just saying that a SEC tourney win is not out of our realm. I still believe in this team and I still believe in our COACH. Please, do not call me names. It is my opinion that we have been let down this year, but I do NOT feel that that liability lies solely on our Coach.
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 4, 2009 11:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I deleted that comment ...
… and warned the user.
We could win the SEC tourney. But that would be cold comfort after the way this team has played, I’m afraid.
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 4, 2009 11:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry Tru
I wish that I could just jump on the bandwaggon, but I just cant. I’m sorry. Thanks for defending me though. Not sure at this point if I am worth it or not….
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 4, 2009 11:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
your
feeling are no less valid then everyone else’s feelings.
by tenken on Mar 4, 2009 11:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe not
but I do feel so totally alone in STILL supporting BCG. Thanks though – you are kind.
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 4, 2009 11:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I support him
It’s not fair to jump off the BCG bandwagon after two building years. Let him get more of his own recruits in, and then jump off if it does not get better. He is a fine coach, and I hope that whatever it is to make that translate to success at UK happens for him
by JoshuaClaytor on Mar 4, 2009 11:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
God bless you.
I hope that you realize that you are in the minority. That is a tough place to be – believe me.
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 4, 2009 11:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I also supported
Tubby, but that was for far more selfish reasons.
by JoshuaClaytor on Mar 4, 2009 11:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, honey, for goodness sake.
You are not alone in supporting Coach Gillispie. Just because some of us don’t come on this site and spill our guts about how we feel doesn’t mean you are the only one who is in support of BCG. Just take a deep breath and listen to Tru when he says that Billy is a big boy and he can handle the criticism and as admirable as it is, he really doesn’t need you to defend him at every turn. Honestly, he will either make or break himself and all this BCG defending isn’t going to make a difference to those who have already made up their mind – as a fan, you either have the confidence in him that he will succeed or you don’t, and as I have mentioned before, I personally don’t feel the need to comment on every negative anti-Billy comment because, really, I think that if you have the confidence in him that you say you do, you don’t need to fight every battle because in the end, his results WILL speak for themselves and you, and I, as well as countless others will be validated.
by BigSkyCat on Mar 5, 2009 12:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry
but I DO feel that need. Dont know why, but I do.
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 5, 2009 12:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Put me in the minority!
I like a fight! I got two peg legs, a scabbard and a bandana!!!! Let’s go pillage Aaaarrrrrbyyyy’s!!!!
I don’t have an eyepatch but I’m not expecting a night fight.
by bluecrip on Mar 5, 2009 8:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats what I have said
if things are still the same after four years, I will recant. Beware – its a VERY lonely position.
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 4, 2009 11:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I still support him
I just find it hard to believe in him…
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Mar 5, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure you are.
We’ll all get through this. Bloody, but unbowed. :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 4, 2009 11:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am not bloody,
feel pretty bowed though. Mother in law is staying the night. She is a Cardinal fan. Ughhh. Nothing colder than a mother in law’s love.
by wklawdog on Mar 4, 2009 11:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You
and I have had our arguements but I agree with you. Perhaps you should lay out for those others out there why you think he is our Coach.
by tenken on Mar 4, 2009 11:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
I have. I feel that Coach really loves and cares about Kentucky. The team is just not delivering for whatever reason. I feel that the coach can shoulder some of the blame for sure, but at somepoint you have to look at your players as well. It is a collaborative effort. The TEAM is not showing up and that reflects on both Coach AND players. That is how I feel. You can have all the talent in the world, but if you – as a TEAM – can not deliver it doesnt make much difference. That is where I stand. Coach is not alone in this responsibility.
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 4, 2009 11:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
to you, but NOT to those who are already ready to fire OUR COACH. I appreciate the opportunity to make my “stance,” but feel that it does little good. People have already made up their minds. I do, reiterate, that I wish that I could contact Billy. I have already written a letter to UK athletics in support of our coach, but I feel that I should do more – so much more.
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 4, 2009 11:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I
did that for Tubby and got a response back from Mitch himself. BG has a chance to rectify himself. He can turn it around. If he does it, he will gain the respect back. Kentucky fans love winning no matter who is coach.
by tenken on Mar 4, 2009 11:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I got a response as well.
If only I had included a phone number with that……. lol.
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 4, 2009 11:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't want to mention this but.....
look to F-F-Fl-Flo-Florida and Donovan. For many years he had phenomenal talent but couldn’t get them to produce. Then all of a sudden he gets a group of young men who DEDICATED themselves to winning TOGETHER. They listened to their coach, played his style of play and caught lightning in a bottle.
Coach isn’t going anywhere and for all those who scream OFF WITH HIS HEAD I hope your voice goes hoarse and strep throat sets in. :)
by bluecrip on Mar 5, 2009 8:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I also
regret our differences, for the record. Thank you for asking for my opinion.
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 4, 2009 11:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
me
too…..we just love our Cats too much :) and it makes us passionate!
by tenken on Mar 4, 2009 11:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am sorry, Tenken
For whatever its worth.
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 4, 2009 11:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OMG.
I think I am going to barf if this continues.
by wklawdog on Mar 4, 2009 11:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i was not talking to you lawdog
i was talking to ten and kygirl
by memphis wildcat on Mar 4, 2009 11:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 4, 2009 11:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about the rest of you guys...
But I’m kind of turned on right now!
;-)
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Mar 5, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Admiration
I really admire you for sticking behind our coach, Tink.
It’s got to be an overwhelming job. I know he is trying his hardest and doing his best. Basketball is his whole life and then we have this season, and tonight. My heart goes out to him.
by EEWildcat on Mar 4, 2009 11:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My heart
goes out to him too. That is part of what makes me so passionate about him. I truely believe that he believes/ You know? Its hard being the minority. I’m a big girl, though, as he is a big boy. Damn its hard though….
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 4, 2009 11:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It is hard
The hard way’s usually the right way though.
Stick in there, don’t give up on yourself. ;)
by EEWildcat on Mar 4, 2009 11:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
I believe.
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 4, 2009 11:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My Kentucky Blue Heart is Breaking
I have tried to stand by Gillispie, but no more. Please don’t blame this mess on these young men who are playing their hearts out for a coach, that hasn’t got a clue. I am no coach, but it too easy to see that everybody knows he is going to play man to man and they are ready. I think Florida will kill us unless he changes his ways. I feel so bad for the team. He is getting paid very well and deserves the criticism. He has got to go!
by JRcraig on Mar 4, 2009 11:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Team failure.
The coach is part of the team. Nobody performed particularly well tonight, except Georgia.
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 4, 2009 11:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
Credit has to go to GA tonight. I know we left a lot shooters open, but most teams don’t shoot as well as GA did tonight. UK didn’t play all that badly, they just got beat. It happens
by lexvegas on Mar 4, 2009 11:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
the problem is we have said that alot this season – maybe legit, may not be.
i think when we got to 5-0 and beat TN with meeks 54, we all got ahead of ourselves…
by memphis wildcat on Mar 4, 2009 11:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
I think as UK fans we let our expectations run rampant and lose touch with the ground. This team isn’t as good as we think it is, plain and simple. To paraphrase Bill Parcels, “You’re no better than your record. People say that things "oh they’re better than that 19-11 record.” No you’re not"
by lexvegas on Mar 4, 2009 11:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ummm
ummm, I’m having trouble believing we are as good as that 19-11 record
by Gobe Igbloo on Mar 4, 2009 11:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Most teams don't shoot as well as they have done
against UK this season. UGGGGHHHHH!!!!!
by bluecrip on Mar 5, 2009 8:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I`ve been looking for a positive part(s)
of the season and the only things I can think of are we still have a chance in the SEC tourney,I mean, it hasn`t even started yet and I still feel like UK is a better road team than home. And we still have a chance to sweep Tenn and Florida.
by String Music on Mar 4, 2009 11:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I ...
… just don’t know what to say. You are right, but … it’s like you spoke to me in Urdu. :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 4, 2009 11:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Amazing.
Who would have thought you could build a team that would sweep Florida and Tennessee (just assuming, go with me here) and still finish third in the east.
by wklawdog on Mar 4, 2009 11:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well ...
… we haven’t swept Florida yet …
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 4, 2009 11:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But if we do ...
… you do have to wonder.
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 4, 2009 11:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
5-0, we were, 5-0 with nothin but the road in front of us...
…and some UGLY home games……BLAH
by teambeam on Mar 4, 2009 11:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is it as simple as ...
… counting our chickens before…?
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by JandPsDad on Mar 4, 2009 11:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bless you
From your lips….
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 4, 2009 11:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome back, real String Music. Your nasty evil-twin caused a stir a few days ago.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on Mar 5, 2009 8:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh
I still can’t believe we lost that. I don’t know what else to say about it.
Whatever coach we have is going to need time to fill out the roster. Specifically, with a point guard. We are a few years away from being good with only freshmen point guards coming in next year and the year after.
My point is… It’s going to take a while before we’re better, folks. Let’s just strap ourselves in and manage our expectations. There is no miracle coach that can come in and make us better immediately (unless it’s John Walls’s Dad). We need to stick with coach G for 3 more years.
by EEWildcat on Mar 4, 2009 11:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Remember when ...
… 20 wins in the SEC was a guaranteed ticket to the NCAAs (of course no guarantee for that…) My how times have changed in the SEC and BBN!
I wonder what people are thinking now that thought all our troubles will fade with a new coach?
Is a point guard our real issue?
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by JandPsDad on Mar 4, 2009 11:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Didn't get to see game
I live in NW INdiana – couldn’t see the game – did Perry show any heart tonight?
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by JandPsDad on Mar 4, 2009 11:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually ...
… Perry played reasonably well. Much better than lately.
He still tends to vanish for long stretches.
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 4, 2009 11:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No
He really doesn’t need to be on the floor. I think the best team we put on the floor is 3 guards and 3 forwards, but the matchups don’t allow coach to do that.
by lexvegas on Mar 4, 2009 11:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
u made me LOL, Lex...
a rarity tonite
by teambeam on Mar 4, 2009 11:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think that would've helped?
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by JandPsDad on Mar 4, 2009 11:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Showed a lot
He showed a lot of heart.
We played OK. It wasn’t dismal like the SC game, Georgia just shot the lights out from 3.
by EEWildcat on Mar 4, 2009 11:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A girl posts here?
I’m so jealous.
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by PJS on Mar 4, 2009 11:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Many females.
We have at least 50 female members, and maybe 8 who post all the time.
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 4, 2009 11:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dont be
I’m an idiot.
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 4, 2009 11:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I listening, telll me what you like about Billy G
by JRcraig on Mar 4, 2009 11:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have posted that many times
Just read.
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 4, 2009 11:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I should have put that a different way.
We just lost to one the worst team in the SEC. Georgia hadn’t won on the road all year. He took out all the starters and let Georgia go on a 10-0 run! How is this not his fault?
by JRcraig on Mar 4, 2009 11:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yes, but
the starters played their best ball of the night after coming in. they did not keep it up so whose fault is that.
just sayin….because it was a team failure
by memphis wildcat on Mar 4, 2009 11:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
It was.
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 4, 2009 11:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just remember... internet GIRL =
Guy In Real Life
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Mar 5, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
KSR IS in Meltdown Mode ..
Hence, I have decided to use my SB account to join other literate, rational folks here. They are all condemning (alternately) the coach and the players.
My feelings are that I thought this would be a long season before it started, and that has been true. We have no point play, Patterson has no help from any other physical players, and it really takes 3/4 years to rebuild a program. And, make no mistake about it we were in rebuild mode. I do like what we have coming in. We will be better next year ( I am assuming that Patterson and Meeks stay), and I think a lot of the guys who are here now won’t be when practice starts next season. I think at least 3 will transfer as they no realistic chance of recovering from this year, and have pretty much worn out the welcome at the ranch.
Anyway, I do appreciate the chance to be here with people who actually might know basketball and keep their sanity …..
by JKW19742004 on Mar 4, 2009 11:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Sanity is overrated.
We are all just dead at the moment. Welcome though.
by wklawdog on Mar 4, 2009 11:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Robert Frost
“A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the pointy of doubtful sanity.”
by bluecrip on Mar 5, 2009 8:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what we do.
Sometimes, (like tonight) it is a real exercise in self-discipline.
But that’s what we do. We keep our heads, we talk to each other like adults, and we respect each other.
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 4, 2009 11:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
YES!!!
I used to be an avid KSR reader, but I’ve come to realize that the place is full of nut-jobs…including Jones. I want sanity.
by lexvegas on Mar 4, 2009 11:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I enjoy Matt and the other posters...its the members that ruin the site
by DeadHeadCat on Mar 4, 2009 11:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Those guys are funny
But the comments section is ghetto.
by EEWildcat on Mar 4, 2009 11:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
TOTALLY agree
I NEVER post there – my self-esteem cant handle it. Its getting hard enough here ,and this is an “easy” crowd.
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 4, 2009 11:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
give TRU credit
i am sure he would love to be deep into his bourbon, but he is ever vigilent……
by memphis wildcat on Mar 4, 2009 11:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed. :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 4, 2009 11:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
will we make it through the week without
Tru using the term “singularity?”
by Gobe Igbloo on Mar 4, 2009 11:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Heh.
Maybe.
Although the mind fairly boggles at the potential usages …
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 4, 2009 11:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I may have to reconsider...
….my position on keeping the coach. As I have stated numerous times, the over riding factor on keeping Gillispie is to prevent the program from imploding. I think we are there now.
It was alarming to watch this team to lose to a team ranked below 200 at Rupp on Senior Night on a game they absolutely had to win. There is no foreseeable reason why this could have or did happen….and I think (conjecture here) there has got to be something happening that is not readily apparent behind the scenes. I think the coach and the staff is in complete disarray…the team certainly is playing that way.
I also listened to the coach’s postgame show and it was very concerning. It appears that he is not handling the pressure well at all. Tomorrow and Friday will be unbelievably difficult…unlike anything we have seen. We are entering uncharted waters here.
To all the posters here….I greatly admire your manners and level headedness….it will be needed these next few days.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Mar 4, 2009 11:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hoze
arent’ you glad you didn’t get rid of Rick though?
by tenken on Mar 4, 2009 11:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the better comparison is UNC a few years ago with Daugherty.
…and that did’t turn out too badly
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Mar 4, 2009 11:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We
don’t have a losing season. He did.
by tenken on Mar 4, 2009 11:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's true.
Admitedly, I may be way off….and it is conjecture…but there has to be reasons we can’t see for a team to reverse direction like this team. I can’t readily recall anything like it with a program like UK. I mean they started the conference schedule 5-0 and looked strong doing it.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Mar 4, 2009 11:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is
There’s no coach Roy Williams waiting in the wings for the UK job. That’s the difference.
Billy G’s our guy, we need to give him his 4-5 years and then see.
by EEWildcat on Mar 4, 2009 11:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Says who.
Our “Roy Williams” may be someone that is not at one of the top 3 or 4 schools now. Pitino was not even in college ball when we got him Tubby was at Georgia. We don’t have to get a coach that has won a title somewhere else.
by wklawdog on Mar 4, 2009 11:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the
whole point is that BG may be our Roy Williams. We just don’t know yet.
by tenken on Mar 4, 2009 11:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree.
Good girl! You continue to make me proud!
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 4, 2009 11:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
BCG is our guy right now.
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 4, 2009 11:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Providence Friars. Rick Pitino coach............
…final four with Billy Donovan
by teambeam on Mar 4, 2009 11:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Uh..
“Their” Roy Williams WAS at one of the top 3 or 4 schools. That’s what makes him the Roy Williams.
There may be a better coach, there may not, but it’s incomparable.
by EEWildcat on Mar 4, 2009 11:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
the Roy Williams situation was rather unique
by Gobe Igbloo on Mar 4, 2009 11:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Great point.
That is why this is so difficult….stating the obvious I guess.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Mar 4, 2009 11:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing like living ...
… in interesting times.
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 4, 2009 11:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
In a weird way, I think these tough times could be good for the UK fan base. i remember being in rupp during the first year of probation and the couple years after, when our expectations were lower. We weren’t the best team, but damn we appreciated what we had.
by lexvegas on Mar 4, 2009 11:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent point
The UK fanbase is totally out of control. The booing, yelling at the players to shoot, etc., must stop. It doesn’t help. A lot of the fans (not all) really need an attitude adjustment.
It’s hard that it has to come to this, but these things have a way of working themselves out. If the powers that be DO make a mistake and fire Billy G, then UK will be much worse and eventually the bad fans will be forced to adjust (or go root for the filthy cards), and I’ll say good riddance.
by EEWildcat on Mar 4, 2009 11:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"the booing, yelling,...."
Might help explain our home woes. Our fans are making our players nervous – too much pressure at home.
Where’s Dr. Phil? ;-)
by hoboat33 on Mar 5, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Careful Hoze
I would hate to have to “break up”with you.
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 4, 2009 11:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am not saying FIRE the coach right now.
I am saying that I think it should now be considered…..fortuneately there is the conference play. However, past performance in pressure situations hasn’t played well for the team….and the pressure will be unbelievable.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Mar 4, 2009 11:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just sayin
CAREFUL. I have been a big advesary for you. Dont make me regret it.
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 4, 2009 11:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tru
Don’t you feel as if there has to be some internal problems on this team. I can’t come up with no other reason for a lack of development, either individually or collectively.
by wklawdog on Mar 4, 2009 11:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That has to go without saying I'm afraid.......
…thae question is…What is the cause??
by teambeam on Mar 4, 2009 11:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There could be.
Shoot, I don’t know. If I had to hazard a guess, I would say, “yes.”
You just don’t see teams self-destruct like this very often without some kind of internal problem. Who or what is the problem? Your guess is as good as mine.
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 4, 2009 11:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
beginning to feel that way
but how about the aj situation. he leaves and the team votes him back. wasn’t the liggins vegas situation the same way – he came back by vote?
by memphis wildcat on Mar 4, 2009 11:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
only wild theories
….like BCG is a coaching genius and he simply has bigger fish to fry than “this season.”
by Gobe Igbloo on Mar 4, 2009 11:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't buy
the “next season” argument. Coming into this year, he did not expect to have Pat next season and wanted to get all he could from this group.
by wklawdog on Mar 4, 2009 11:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying I buying
I’m just reduced to grasping straws
by Gobe Igbloo on Mar 4, 2009 11:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a theory all right....
…but if it’s intentional then Coach doesn’t understand how things work here in Kentucky. (Either that or he’s 100% confident that the AD will keep him around.)
by Clandestine on Mar 5, 2009 7:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Keep your head up, Tru
This too shall pass.
by JCCW Jerry on Mar 4, 2009 11:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Heh.
I will. Just my way of getting the frustration out. :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 4, 2009 11:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good players are coming
like Hood and Orton. I think everyone is nervous that Meeks and Pat will jump at the NBA.
We are almost a good team. We covered our weaknesses with a bandaid and youngsters have taken longer to step up. Miller is coming along. If Meeks and Pat stay, I’m optimistic.
by cthom on Mar 4, 2009 11:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If there is a bright side to this season ...
… it is that if Patterson and Meeks stay, UK should be a really tough team next year.
If not, I’m moving over to the Dark Side. :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 4, 2009 11:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, no ...
… I mean the FAR BILLY Dark Side. :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 4, 2009 11:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing wrong ...
… with KSR. Good folks there. Tough for commenters. :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 4, 2009 11:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I
like KSR. I take the good and the bad. I have learned just to ignore that bad.
by tenken on Mar 4, 2009 11:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I
Like Matt Jones or whoever it is that runs the site, and the Fake Gimel Martinez is a pretty funny guy. I just try to stay away from the comments.
by JoshuaClaytor on Mar 4, 2009 11:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
KSR is nice as long as you don't read the comments
Well, that and Matt Jones’ Obama man-love…..
by btcoop71 on Mar 5, 2009 8:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I
will join with you. Oh gosh I hate to think of next year without them
by tenken on Mar 4, 2009 11:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They will be back.
I am just unsure if we will have anyone that knows how to pass them the ball.
by wklawdog on Mar 4, 2009 11:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
[.......open arms.....]
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Mar 4, 2009 11:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh......darn
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Mar 4, 2009 11:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can't believe
you guys in the eastern time zone are still up and typing.
by wklawdog on Mar 4, 2009 11:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm just about ...
… to raise the white flag. :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 4, 2009 11:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not yet Tru
Please
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 4, 2009 11:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
luckily
I am on central time………does anyone know how Rupp was after the game?? Did they boo him?
by tenken on Mar 4, 2009 11:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Did fans
really boo Billy and actually throw things at him??
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 4, 2009 11:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have no idea.
Hope not.
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 4, 2009 11:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if they did
that is the bad karma…..
by memphis wildcat on Mar 4, 2009 11:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If they did
they deserve the losses.
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 4, 2009 11:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's
the rumor going around now. I’m all for booing. That just hurts the pride. I’m not all for getting pelted at work. That’s insane
by JoshuaClaytor on Mar 4, 2009 11:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That
is purely stupid and frankly in that case………….we deserve to have him leave for another team. NO ONE DESERVES that except for maybe Eddie Sutton.
by tenken on Mar 5, 2009 12:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
Billy leaves after this season and I don any .olor that he does,
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 5, 2009 12:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not Eddie,
I still hold Dwayne Casey the most responsible for that
by JoshuaClaytor on Mar 5, 2009 12:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Claytor, where did you find that about throwing things?
I can’t find that anywhere online.
by wklawdog on Mar 5, 2009 12:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It
was in a comment on ksr. Not my proudest moment I admit, but I saw it there.
Apparently is making the rounds on other sites as well now too.
Again BCG apparently gave Tom Leach a hard time.
by JoshuaClaytor on Mar 5, 2009 12:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
shouldn't you be getting ready for a day full of suit wearing?
:D
by JoshuaClaytor on Mar 5, 2009 12:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Skipping work to go play golf tomorrow.
That way I can have two days of frustration in a row.
by wklawdog on Mar 5, 2009 12:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I might ...
… just do that, too. :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 5, 2009 12:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I
did not know you golfed. I would like to learn how. Please teach me.
by JoshuaClaytor on Mar 5, 2009 12:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That would be like the blind leading the blind.
by wklawdog on Mar 5, 2009 12:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well
All I really need is to learn how to hold the club at this moment, I swing taking a happy gilmore like charge to the tee
by JoshuaClaytor on Mar 5, 2009 12:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As hard a time as he is getting
cant say that I blame him. How do you go from Coach of the Year to “lets send him back to Texas?” We are lucky he doesnt just quit….
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 5, 2009 12:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He
is a Texan……….he is stubborn and bullheaded. He wont’ quit but then again I never thought Tubby would either.
by tenken on Mar 5, 2009 12:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
a man can only take so much.
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 5, 2009 12:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My GAWD...was he at the game????
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Mar 4, 2009 11:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
haha
thanks for the laugh, hoze :)
GO BIG BLUE!! GO BIG BLUE!!
by UKWildCatFanatic on Mar 5, 2009 12:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
NOT
funny.
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 5, 2009 12:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I heard booing on the telecast
There was definite booing after the game. Sad.
by EEWildcat on Mar 5, 2009 12:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I
am actually tearing up. What has happened to the Kentucky of my youth?
by tenken on Mar 5, 2009 12:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tears
I have cried and cried tonight, Tenken. I cried last game, too, but was made fun of. People dont seem to understand what it really means to some of us.
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 5, 2009 12:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It makes me really angry.
I hate the booing of our own coach/players with a passion. It’s totally ridiculous.
by EEWildcat on Mar 5, 2009 12:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would prescribe two tesiticles
Kidding…..
by btcoop71 on Mar 5, 2009 8:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sleep well.
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 4, 2009 11:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I bet you all can't believe that I set through all this and didn't comment!
There is nothing wrong that a string of W's wouldn't fix!
by oldcat70 on Mar 4, 2009 11:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
You just did, didn't you?
:-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 4, 2009 11:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can someone explain
Why Billy decided to take all of our starters out and let the Bulldogs trample over us on a 10-0 run after we fought our way to get ahead? I really want to like Billy G, but game after game I find it harder and harder to like him. If he isn’t squashing our momentum with petty technical fouls, then he’s pulling our starters and forcing embarrassment onto his players and our program. What KIND of tactic is he using? You can’t get into a pissing contest with your players to prove a point. Does anyone else notice this crap going on? Does anyone else see a huge communication gap between the coach and his players? I do. And it’s driving me insane.
by Damien on Mar 4, 2009 11:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Nope.
Ask Billy. I’m sure he could tell you.
I’m thinking maybe it didn’t work all that well, though.
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 4, 2009 11:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Technical fouls
Most of them he has received are questionable at BEST.
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 4, 2009 11:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the starters played their best ball of the game when they came in, but only for one minute.
i know i am repeating myself from above but whose fault is it that they stopped playing as hard after 60 secs.
again, it is a team failure….
by memphis wildcat on Mar 5, 2009 12:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
I had no real problem with him benching the starters to send a message. I remember Hall doing it in the NCAA title run in 78. Worked then, did not tonight.
by wklawdog on Mar 5, 2009 12:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But
On such a game as this? Maybe I should give him the benefit of the doubt and say “Well, he thought he could prove a point against the worst team in the SEC and get away with it without falling to far behind.” But… argh! I’m going to take a shot of bourbon and go to bed, or else I’ll be up all night thinking about this game. THIS game of all games!!!
by Damien on Mar 5, 2009 12:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you 100%
Embarrassing! I too have tried to stand by him, but in all my years I have never seen anything like this. Everybody is trying to figure out what is going on within the team and I am starting to believe it is the coach. There is just no excuse for what we witnessed tonight.
by JRcraig on Mar 5, 2009 12:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just dont believe
that it is all in the coaching. Maybe I AM an idiot…..
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 5, 2009 12:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he does not
Get out there and play the game. He gives the instructions, he makes the changes, but he physically can not make Porter make a shot, or Harris grab a board or anything on the court. The players have to take some responsibility.
by JoshuaClaytor on Mar 5, 2009 12:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hoze
I guess you dont “love” me anymore? ;)
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 5, 2009 12:00 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Go lie down
Get your temperature checked. This is unhealthy, seeking the love of a UofL fan.
by EEWildcat on Mar 5, 2009 12:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess you are right on that.
Sad when that is what I am looking for, I guess.
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 5, 2009 12:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It is crazy times.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Mar 5, 2009 12:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I certainly love your persistent loyalty... :)
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Mar 5, 2009 12:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What can I say?
I just dont quit on our Coach – EVER.
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 5, 2009 12:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Coach
Well, I have been an avid supporter of BG. After tonight, I still support him, but I am wondering what happened here. The team looked flat and they lack basic defensive skills. They were not hustling to loose balls and so forth. I don’t put all the blame on the coach, as players need to take blame too. This was an all around horible game for the players and coach. BG was co SEC coach of the year last year. He lost 3 guards from last year and Meeks is really only somphomore as he missed pretty much all of last year. However, UK had more talent tonight and failed to win, not sure why. I don’t know what to say. I am not usually as a lost for words, but tonight I am. However, that being said, BG deserves one more year. However, if Meeks and Patterson leave for the NBA, next year won’t be better, so if they leave maybe BG should also leave, I don’t know , that does not make sense either. Okay, no matter what, give him 1 more year. My brain is not working, I need to sleep on this, if I can sleep.
Lane
Sorry this was not my best post, I am just so distraught and numb right now.
by Laird on Mar 5, 2009 12:08 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Heh.
Join the crowd. I think a thug just came in and cut of my right pinkie toe.
But I’m not sure …
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 5, 2009 12:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The AMA guide to disability says that's worth 3% total body disability
Just so you know.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Mar 5, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
good night all
TRU – you may get to 3 million hits tonight!
by memphis wildcat on Mar 5, 2009 12:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Jeebus.
I might. And might regret it. :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 5, 2009 12:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
anyone know of any other way I can get my support through other than UK Athletics?
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 5, 2009 12:10 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
That's about the only way I know of.
He’ll get it.
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 5, 2009 12:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Forty
you are well connected. You know any other way?
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 5, 2009 12:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I Am Not Well Connected Personally
And the few boosters I know are quite upset with Gillispie and how this season has gone.
I’d send an E-Mail to Barnhart with copy to Lee Todd. Don’t be shy or brief. Tell them what you think.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 5, 2009 6:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Go to one of the alumni association gatherings in your area.
Coaches come to some of those.
by wklawdog on Mar 5, 2009 12:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just read
where Bret Dawson of the CJ said that Billy was asking the players if they wanted to win as they were giving him little effort tonight. I wondered that myself while watching.
by wklawdog on Mar 5, 2009 12:10 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
These
are the times that try mens souls…………..
Wish we could get a pep rally together for these players.
by tenken on Mar 5, 2009 12:11 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Heh.
These times try women’s souls too, I’ll wager. ;-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 5, 2009 12:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Players
They did look flat and apathetic. I don’t what that was about. Also, the crowd appeared the same. The students must be louder for Rupp to be an advantage.
Lane
by Laird on Mar 5, 2009 12:12 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well
If it is on espn it has to be true! Good for the cowboys! Go Browns
by JoshuaClaytor on Mar 5, 2009 12:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The rumor on throwing things seems to refer to a bottle(s) being thrown at BCG.....
…I hope this is just another silly factless internet rumor
by teambeam on Mar 5, 2009 12:16 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
If not a rumor
I have to seriously reconsider things on my end.
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 5, 2009 12:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Georgia:
11-16 (69) from 3
25-30 (83) from the line
Tough to beat that. (But we should have.)
by EEWildcat on Mar 5, 2009 12:16 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ya'll seem to be in a pretty good mood
You should swing by some of the other blogs. It is BAAD for BCG
There is nothing wrong that a string of W's wouldn't fix!
by oldcat70 on Mar 5, 2009 12:18 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Then
TO HELL WITH THEM.
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 5, 2009 12:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jones just ripped coaching staff with a new article at KSR.
by wklawdog on Mar 5, 2009 12:19 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Jones
is a sniveling whiner.
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 5, 2009 12:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, no, don't hold it in.
Tell us how you really feel.
by wklawdog on Mar 5, 2009 12:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I have told him that before. I dont say anything I wouldnt say to one’s face.
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 5, 2009 12:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You've met Matt Jones in person?
And you told him off? Wow.
by EEWildcat on Mar 5, 2009 12:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 5, 2009 12:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you
think he makes enough skrilla at the site to make business cards?
by JoshuaClaytor on Mar 5, 2009 12:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
besides KSR
and I guess straightpinkie :( All I know is asob.
by JoshuaClaytor on Mar 5, 2009 12:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Look on the front page of A Sea of Blue
Tru has other Kentucky sites listed. Some are decent. Some not.
by wklawdog on Mar 5, 2009 12:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Must have had blinders on
Never really noticed the other sites
by JoshuaClaytor on Mar 5, 2009 12:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
bleh
Most of those sites have not been updated since 2007
by JoshuaClaytor on Mar 5, 2009 12:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kentuckygirl0724
I am still with you, BG deserves one more year. I still back him. He appears to be coaching these kids and they are not listening.
Also, what is up with Meeks. He is forcing shots and turning the ball over too much
Lane
by Laird on Mar 5, 2009 12:19 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Past my bedtime, folks.
Great job keeping it civil, and real. I’ll be back tomorrow. Same as always.
Good night, all. Try to get some sleep.
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 5, 2009 12:21 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Cant sleep
Not tonight.
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 5, 2009 12:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
All i have to say is why us ?
Why did he take out 4 of our starting five in a key point in the half. The onlyone standing in the twilight zone was the famous M Porter. I took that moment of silence and hopefuly rick sees some failier only the way a traitor could. Now billy get this knife out of my heart!!
by Krntuckyfan430 on Mar 5, 2009 12:25 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
This was a major turning point.
I felt like we were never able to recover from the short 10-0 run. This put us deep in a hole and our starters didn’t get that much rest. Yeah the starters played hard and well when they got back in, but we would have needed something like a 17-2 run after they got back in to justify this “coaching” move. Very disappointed in BG. Gotta hand it to Georgia though, they were amazing from 3 and the stripe.
by DrZoom on Mar 5, 2009 12:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good Night
Well, I have to go to bed. Remember, very little good comes from “knee-jerk” reactions.
Lane
by Laird on Mar 5, 2009 12:26 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Goodnight!
I’m done.
Let’s hit rock bottom now, turn the season around, and go out and win the SEC Tournament. Georgia did it last year, no reason why we can’t.
Go cats!
by EEWildcat on Mar 5, 2009 12:29 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
If what you're doing doesn't work - do something else!
First I have to give credit to every one of the teams that have beaten Kentucky this year because they have figured out what it takes to beat this team. Everybody knows UK is going to go all-out to get the ball to Patterson in the paint so they double and triple down on him every time. How many times have we seen the ball get slapped down on the entry pass or away from him as soon as he gets it or before he can get it over the rim? Not to mention the number of times he has been blocked this year. It reminds me of Kenny Walker when he was at UK. I have a hard time believing Patterson isn’t getting fouled an awful lot in these games, fouls that would have been called in years gone by (except for KW – he could never get a break)! As for Jodie, I think he has started trying too hard to carry the team after the Tennessee road win. There has got to be some way to get him open shots without him having to work so hard. Why don’t we set good screens for him? As big as Harrelson is, he should be able to stop a bull. Also, getting back to my SUBJECT, I saw Stevenson shoot several mid-range shots in the Georgia game that went in. Why aren’t these other guys doing more of that when the defense is smothering Patterson and Meeks? It seems like there is zero confidence in their shooting ability – from every point on the floor. When you’ve tried half a game to get the ball to the stars and it results in more turn overs than shots taken, its time to GUTS UP and step in for a shot that is worth two and at least puts the ball up on the rim for Patterson and Stevenson to have a chance to rebound and stuff back in! Then they have got to REBOUND!
Its a sick feeling, but we’ve seen this all season long. Teams have come after Kentucky and refuse to lose. We had Louisville on the ropes and just like LSU last weekend let them get a game winning shot off. Just like SC last week, tonight Georgia came in with fire in their guts and confidence in their shot and dropped a “bomb dump” on Kentucky. How many threes did they hit anyhow? Those were all LOOSE shots. Every one of them reminded me of the kind of UNWOUND shots Meeks took against Tennessee in his 54 point game.
If this team is tired of getting their arses kicked, they’ll have to come to the rest of the games they play this year with more spit and vinegar than they have all year. They’ve got it in them. I really believe that! The question is, DO THEY BELIEVE?
I think they’ve come to expect to lose. Why else do they fight back from behind and then seem to put the brakes on when they get close or take the lead by a point or two.
Fellers, if you’re reading this, all I can say is, I NEVER GIVE UP ON YOU SO DON"T GIVE UP ON ME! Get in there and fight!
by BewilderedBill on Mar 5, 2009 12:54 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thank you Mr Bill
for mentioning the midrange shot. I cannot stress that point enough. That shot builds confidence like you said AND opens up both the inside and out.
by bluecrip on Mar 5, 2009 8:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Only got to watch a little
of the game. When I got home from church I was expecting to see KY up by 20 and Jared Carter filling up the paint. Boy did I get a surprise. I am not a BCG basher but I just don’t understand what’s going on.
I used to say that I wouldn’t care if our team lost if our players played with grit and guts for all the glory. But, I’m just wondering if you can play with that mentality if you are not coached well. I remember playing Baseball for a coach who was a G,G and G type of guy and tried to instill that in us. However, he did not give us the basic skill and strategic plans to win. Maybe it is the same with this team.
At the first of the year all I heard about was how hard the practices were and how people were diving after loose balls. That kind of competitive spirit can only last so long if it doesn’t produce any results. Personally, I think the players have lost faith in the program. I know who to blame so I won’t.
Just some thoughts. I hope the players aren’t to dejected. My prayers and thoughts are with them.
"Learned to love the Cats at a young age, via tape delay."
by ukpastor on Mar 5, 2009 12:54 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Should read
I DON"T know who to blame
"Learned to love the Cats at a young age, via tape delay."
by ukpastor on Mar 5, 2009 12:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think ...
… any of us really do.
Blame is kind of moot, anyway. I have always preferred solutions to blame, but I sure haven’t heard any from Coach. Maybe he is just keeping his own council on that. I hope so.
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 5, 2009 6:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nba
patterson maybe meeks after last night game don;t think so. it might be just me but looks like meeks is playing for his self and not for the team. lots of shots over the pasted few game that he has taken just no way he’s open. haven’t been a porter fan all season but he made some nice shots last night and one very bad one but with this team i’m trying to take what good i can out of them.
by massaccatfan on Mar 5, 2009 6:21 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think ...
… that’s more a byproduct of desperation than actual selfishness.
I think all these guys are so desperate at this point that they have lost all perspective, and they are simply running around at random.
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 5, 2009 6:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
SEC games only..... 4-4 at Rupp
Can anyone remember the last time we didn’t have a winning record at home in league play?
GBB!!!
by OGETARTS on Mar 5, 2009 6:37 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
The last year ...
… before probation, we lost 6 at home.
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 5, 2009 6:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Liggins: 0 points in the last 7 games
Ouch!
GBB!!!
by OGETARTS on Mar 5, 2009 6:38 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I just don't get it.......
I started watching the game late last night (thank God for DVR) so I didn’t get on the open thread during the game because I was trying to catch up. And by the time I caught up I didn’t really have anything to say. I talked to my Dad last night afterwards (ritual) and he is very dissapointed with BCG. He says when you have talent like Meeks and Patterson and you can’t find a way to win, something has to change. Someone once told me the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Seems to me BCG in insane. haha
I had to disagree with my Dad on the BCG siutation. I feel like we need to give him another year or two. It is very painful don’t get me wrong, but we HAVE to give him a chance. It’s just so hard to watch these last few games.
About Meeks, why has he stopped pulling up for mid range jumpers? He either takes a three or drives all the way to the basket and loses the ball. At the beginning of the season and into conference play he would pull up for those 15 – 20 foot jumpers and he knocks them down. Why has he stopped? He had several opportunities last night to do that.
Hopefully we can make a run in the SEC tourney. If we beat Florida and make a big run, maybe to the Championship game, we can still get in. All that talk the other day about the NIT may be closer than we thought. GO CATS and lets make SOMETHING of this season yet. I BELIEVE!!!
by UKfan79 on Mar 5, 2009 7:01 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
2003-04-05 UNC Tar Heels
Matt Doherty coached an EXTREMELY talented team to 19-16 in 2003.
Roy Williams coached the same EXTREMELY talented team to 19-11 in 2004.
Something changed. Williams then coached THE SAME TEAM to 33-4 and NC in 2005.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 5, 2009 7:08 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
The Day After
I haven’t had the time to read all of the comments here after the disaster of last night so some of my thoughts may have already been said by some. And I want to thank those on the open game thread who made the game bearable with some very funny comments. Sometimes when things are bad ,humor is the best medicine. With that said,here are some of my thoughts. I think that Billy G has lost this team. This team changed after the 5-0 start. The intensity that was there during that great start,left for whatever reason. And I think the reason may be the coach. His mind games that he plays may have finally worn on the players. And I think that now it includes Jodie Meeks. You simply can’t bench your best or one of your best players to make a point. You can do it with freshman perhaps,but even then it wears thin after awhile. (See Darius Miller). I know it would be very hard to let Billy G go after two years but how many on this team will return after this season,especially Meeks and Patterson. Will others transfer? The recruiting class coming in so far can’t replace many losses,especially Meeks and Patterson. I just think Billy G is over his head and out of answers. Anyone who listened to his post-game show last night can tell he is out of answers. And again he acted like a jerk while being interviewed. I been saying that he has to be given a chance but after last night, I’m beginning to think otherwise.
by maysvilleblue on Mar 5, 2009 7:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Cannot Make A Change After 2 Years
So long as he behaves off the court and doesn’t have NCAA problems.
Like it or not, just have to wait for his 3rd year. First one was OK. Second one is not.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 5, 2009 7:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Its too soon
to can Gillispie, but it is not too soon for Mitch to start compiling a short list of potential replacements. It seemed to me at the time that Smith’s departure caught Barnhart completely unprepared. This time he will have the opportunity to do a deep and comprehensive analysis of all the relevant factors, including a thorough understanding of the kind of basketball you have to play in order to be competitive nationally today. It shouldn’t be a top of the head, seat of the pants, knee jerk reaction this time.
by Fortunatus on Mar 5, 2009 9:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Donovan WAS the list last time
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Mar 5, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably So
Most thought Roy Williams would jump at UNC in 2000 but he didn’t.
He later did (go there) in 2003.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 5, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Uggghh...
Its a shame that the Widow’s Peak in Gainesville has been on a worse slide than us the last two years…
If he was still cruising along down south, he’d make for an interesting parallel.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Mar 5, 2009 6:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
agree and disagree
I like most of your comments on here and I also started having my doublts about Billy last night. The part I disagree about is the fact that you say you can’t bench your best player to prove a point. As a coach (especially in all levels below NBA) you have to be able to bench “anybody” if it is necessary. I think at times last night Jodie made some mistakes and deserved to be benched. I don’t recall what happened before he decided to bench all of them except Porter but that may have been farfeched.
But IMO the bench is the greatest motivator in college basketball.
by UKfan79 on Mar 5, 2009 7:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Being benched
I agree that “the bench” is the best motivator but when you are fighting for your life for a possible NCAA bid,benching isn’t always the answer. Especially if its your best player. The benching of the starters resulted in a 8 pt lead for Georgia and although the cats got within one,doing that when they are in the fight of their lives,with the game on the line as well as a tourney bid ,was in my opinion just stupid.
by maysvilleblue on Mar 5, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rock Bottom?
I saw this coming 4 years ago. The UK program has been progessively getting worse over the last 4 years. I have always thought that for the UK program to eventually return to greatness, it will have to hit rock bottom. I thought it was going to be last year, but that season was able to be salvaged with a run through the SEC. After the VMI loss, I had a feeling it was going to be this year. Even after 5 wins in a row to start the SEC, I could still see major deficiencies with this team. Inconsistent players, no senior leadership and inconsistent coaching has finally brought the program to this low point. That 5-0 start in the SEC was nothing but fool’s gold. And after last night’s game, the program hopefully has hit rock bottom. But we must remember, if Patterson and Meeks both leave, things might not be any better next year. We must prepare ourselves for that. Hopefully they will not leave, but with the current state of the program, you never know.
At this point it is looking like this may not be a quick fix. Regardless if it is or isn’t, UK will be back eventually. Whether that happens next year or 5 years from now depends on circumstances beyond our control. But it will happen with or without BCG. If BCG ends up being a bad hire, so be it. Many Florida fans will tell you that Ron Zook was a bad hire. And after he was dismissed, they made the right hire. Now Gator football is dominating once again. Same goes for Matt Doherty at UNC. They got the next hire right also, and are again among college b-ball elite. If BCG is dimissed in a couple of years, UK will have learned it’s lesson and the next hire will surely be the right one.
Until then, all we can do is wait and see how everything plays out. Unfortunately there could be more bad moments ahead. But there will be great moments in UK’s future. That is for sure. Hopefully some short years from now we’ll look back at these times and appreciate the UK program even more. I’m sure when UNC fans look back at their struggles earlier this decade, they feel this way.
by Sharpera on Mar 5, 2009 7:47 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
4 Years Ago, BS (I'm Tired Of The Anti-OTS Crap)
UK had 2 subpar years in 2006 and 2007, agreed. But NOTHING LIKE 2008 or (worse yet) 2009.
Kentucky had subpar years in the 60’s under Rupp. 70’s under Hall. 80’s under Sutton. The last 2 years under Tubby are no different than those.
Sorry for the rant. But STOP dumping all this mess on Tubby Smith.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 5, 2009 9:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks you for having this blog, where I can pour out my heart in support for UK basketball.
None of us will stop being UK fans. Being a fan means being loyal through wins and losses. However, most of us, at least this fan, felt going into the season that the Cats were as talented as most any of the other teams we faced. WE had some experience and a deep bench. Heck there were 19 on the team.
Last year, we won several close games and this year we lost several close games playing a much weaker schedule. Rather than a growth occuring in the skill level of the players during the course of this season, a regression of skill and intensity has occurred.
This has been a tough weak, Tuesday, Tymber, my dog died in her sleep next to my bed. For 13 years she would jump up as I rose to my feet yelling approval of a made shot or a defensive stop at the TV. She was always at the foot of the couch whenever I watched the CATS play. I will miss her enthusiasm. She was part of our family ritual of watching UK basketball. I feel I represent hundreds of thousands of people who are in the “stands’” of their homes and cars all over this Commonwealth and in fact, the nation, at tip off of every game. Along with so many others, I will continue to be there, win or lose wishing for the best for our boys in blue.
by Blueobsessed on Mar 5, 2009 8:26 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Man.
Hate to lose a dog. I have a Chihuahua that is about 18 years old, and I expect her to go any time. Had to put my poor ol’ German Shepherd down back in 2000. Hurts.
Hang in there. I think we have finally bottomed out. We may not be back “up” for a while, but I don’t think there is really a down from here. That’s always good, in a regrettable sort of way.
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 5, 2009 8:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a big dog person
so this hurts my heart for you :’ ( I’m sure Tymber is happily sniffing crotches and chasing his tail following a UK national championship up in dog heaven.
I was just thinking right before I read this, “gee could things get any worse right now?? hey gods, why don’t you just kick my dog and be done with it ?”
by blue kentucky girl on Mar 5, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah . . .
losing a dog is always tough, every time, no matter how many times it happens. Please accept my sympathies Blueobsessed.
And I think I speak for UGA basketball fans (all 5 of us) when I say we feel sorta like Forrest Gump when he ruined the Black Panther Party. We did what we had to do and wouldn’t change a thing (since,you know, we win in Rupp about once every 40 years). But Kentucky really didn’t play that bad. We (and by “we” I mean “Terrance Woodbury”) simply played our best basketball of the season at a very inconvenient time.
If it makes you feel better, this probably used up our store of magic that would have gone toward defending the tournament title. So there’s that.
by MaconDawg on Mar 5, 2009 1:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Georgia ...
… deserves better than they got this year.
Hopefully, you will hire a solid coach and return to being a solid SEC basketball team. But the Dawgs were more solid than us last night, that’s for sure.
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 5, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
See what I mean about a great site! Thanks for all your kind words. Tymber was part of our family and truly a gift from God.
by Blueobsessed on Mar 5, 2009 3:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Devoted pets
My sympathy goes out to you as well. It is very difficult to lose devoted pets. I personally have lost 2 old dogs and I cannot even remember the number of cats in my lifetime, as my Mom was a big cat lover.
My most recent was back several years ago when I lost 2 Siamese 14 and 15 years old, sisters they were, and a Lynx Himalayan before them. I said after that I never wanted another cat.
Well, now have two and they mean so much to me. They are part of my life. Go find another good dog and let him enrich your life once again.
by kykat51 on Mar 5, 2009 7:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It has been proven
That dogs or cats brought into nursing homes enrich the lives of patients. Some of the nursing homes and long term care facilities here have resident pets. I have seen them in Doctor’s offices caring for cancer patients as well.
by kykat51 on Mar 5, 2009 7:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Losing a dog..........
It always hard. I’ve lost two in my lifetime. Mine is a son to me as much as human would be. I feel for you and wish you the best in your time of grief.
Oh, mine barks at me when I cheer or cuss UK on the tube. Not sure if he’s trying to go along with me or he just really hates it……………LOL.
by slidemank on Mar 5, 2009 4:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yep
They can become just like our children in a way…especially when the kids are gone from the home. They become as family members when long term pets. Very hard to say goodbye to them.
Not sure about the barking lol…my cats leave the room when I get over emotional. Your dog is probably trying to understand you :)
by kykat51 on Mar 5, 2009 7:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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