The Coach's Response and Looking Forward
Well, we have now heard Gillispie's side of the story, and it is pretty much what we would expect. I think the Big Blue Nation universally agrees that Gillispie did a good job, perhaps even the best job of his career, handling that media availability. He was no-nonsense, was as blunt and honest as he could possibly be consistent with protecting his legal position, and found a way to say nice things about everyone, even people with whom I feel confident he has had more than one or two harsh thoughts in connection with over the last few days.
I was struck by the sense of ease that Gillispie had, in marked contrast to the two sallow-faced men who addressed the media yesterday. To be fair, Gillispie's job was much, much easier than Dr. Todd and Mitch Barnhart's. People are, have, and will continue to debate the contrast, who was more correct, etc. At the end of the day, it is little more than fodder for discussion. The reality is, neither Barnhart nor Dr. Todd looked bad enough to jeopardize their positions by the fact of the contrast. The run-up to this drama was and should certainly be an issue, but my sense is that it will pass.
There is an obvious, and understandable desire among the Big Blue Nation to move on and begin the healing process. Yes, there is anger, much of it directed at the Athletics Director, and in this writer's humble opinion, it is well deserved. Barnhart has two big strikes against him -- the handling of Tubby Smith's last days, and this ... debacle. I think he gets one more, and he probably should. For good or ill, this coaching search represents a huge opportunity for Barnhart to rehabilitate his image, or provide an opportunity for him to begin polishing up his résumé.
It is clear that UK and Gillispie have differing views on the contract issue. I am not going to offer an opinion on that, it is meaningless. I will say that a lawsuit will resurrect this whole firing issue and likely eclipse the coaching search, so I hope for the sake of UK that the parties can quickly reach an acceptable agreement and avoid the media circus litigation would produce. Let us all hope that all parties can enter into a good faith negotiation and reach an agreement that will enable UK and Coach Gillispie to move on promptly and professionally.
I have decided that it is not productive to continue to beat up on the administration for their poor handling of this affair. Gillispie certainly gets some of the blame for failing to create a working relationship with his AD, something that every successful coach absolutely must do. Whether it is more the fault of Barnhart or Gillispie is not something we can determine, and anyway, it is not a productive exercise. So at this point, we are moving on to the coaching search.
It is my considered opinion that UK needs a high-profile coach. We tried a young fire-breather, and I think we can all agree that Gillispie's lack of major college experience was a factor in creating this toxic situation. I truly hope that our administration learns this lesson well, and moves on to a mature coach with a strong résumé and track record of success. He doesn't have to have a national championship, but it needs to be a man of stature in the college ranks, or someone with NBA experience.
Everybody has put forth the list of usual suspects, so I will also just in case anybody hasn't seen them:
Note 1: I will not discuss what these people have said in the media. In my opinion, it has no relevance yet.
Note 2: These are my tiers, not the administration's. Also, the order I put them in means nothing.
Tier I
- Billy Donovan of Florida
- Rick Pitino of Louisville
- Tom Izzo of Michigan State
- John Calipari of Memphis
- Rick Barnes of Texas
- Thad Matta of Ohio State
- Jay Wright of Villanova (hat tip: tenken)
Tier II
- Jamie Dixon of Pittsburgh
- Sean Miller of Xavier
- Jeff Capel of Oklahoma
- Mike Anderson of Missouri
Tier III
- Travis Ford of Oklahoma State
- John Pelphrey of Arkansas
- Darrin Horn of South Carolina
Others I think should be considered for Tier I or II:
- Rick Stansbury, Mississippi State
- Reggie Theus, formerly of the Sacramento Kings
- Eddie Jordan, formerly of the Washington Wizards
That's where I see us. There are probably some other good names out there I haven't thought of yet, as well. I encourage Mitch Barnhart to take his time and get this one right. We all want a coach fast, of course, but I think we need to really evaluate each candidate to be sure we don't wind up back here again two or three years from now.
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Coaching search
It will be important for Barnhart’s search to be a multi-person operation and not a one-man committee as it was in 2007. Of the options you list Tru, I like going the ex-NBA route and Theus is a bit better than Jordon since he has a few years of head coaching experience at New Mexico.
I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra
by JLeverenz on Mar 28, 2009 1:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with both comments.
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Problem
is the Tier 1’s are already saying no, but as I said earlier……..Billy G said he was staying at Texas too. I once said that JP would be a good hire……..I take that back now. I will say that we all need to think heavily about hiring JP or Travis. Its nostalgic to think about hiring them but I think it will further divided BBN if things don’t work out or go as fast as we want them to and the last thing I want to do is to give bad feelings to these two names..
I think that we will get someone that we won’t know that well but will be proven. Just my gut
I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!
by tenken on Mar 28, 2009 1:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh
one more thing…….everyone is saying be patient. The two knuckleheads up there should have already had some names in place because every hour we are without a coach is a phone call from a rival school trying to get orton,hood and others. We don’t have the luxury of waiting for days on end for this
I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!
by tenken on Mar 28, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't Look For New UK Coach Named Before Final 4
Early April would be my guess.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 28, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree with forty
unless it is a Tier I coach, we saw where a hasty decision got us last time….
by memphis wildcat on Mar 28, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not saying that we should rush judgement but they should have already been working on a name
I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!
by tenken on Mar 28, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last Time
UK contacted Gillispie and hired him the very next day.
Not much vetting in a day.
A few weeks won’t hurt.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 28, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Must Hire Tier 1 This Time
UK must hit HR with the coaching hire THIS time.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 28, 2009 1:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You seem to have some insight on this
I am not one of these looking to rehire Pitino for the “return of the glory days”. But do you think that 1)He would be interested 2)Thate he is a real possibility. Just wondering if he should even be talked about.
"Learned to love the Cats at a young age, via tape delay."
by ukpastor on Mar 28, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Insight, Just Opinion
1 = yes.
2 = no.
He was nearly hired by UK in 2001 but Ivy was unsuccessful at pushing Tubby out the door.
Pitino was interested in 2007 but UK was not. So Pitino talked Donovan into taking the Magic (NBA) job instead of UK.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 28, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2
Because of the administration?
"Learned to love the Cats at a young age, via tape delay."
by ukpastor on Mar 28, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
He was not “invited” to apply in 2007.
No different now.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 28, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes tier one
Yes we must get a tier one…I was struck listening to Espn…Digger, Vitale and Hubert ,,,,,Vitale and Digger were talking about history of program..greatness etc…Hubert (much younger) had the opinion..who would want to have life examined and live in a fishbowl…interesting contrast…However all the coaches I have heard think 2 years was too short…..we may have been very shortsighted in the long run….Good coaches may run from us….I have always felt the Rick barnes (native north carolina) ws waiting for Roy Williams or Coach K to retire>.. What do you guys think about that?
by fanforlife on Mar 28, 2009 1:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
universal charger
need an extra charger for a phone?
by fanforlife on Mar 28, 2009 1:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hoosier
See ya. Your crud will not fly at ASOB
by blue oregon on Mar 28, 2009 1:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Did
anyone talk or see the whole Rece Davis/ and Hubert debate last night on ESPN? OH MY GOSH! Rece Davis is my new favorite on ESPN. He took Hubert to the mat last night on his comments about UK.
I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!
by tenken on Mar 28, 2009 1:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Glory days
we don’t want to be like Indiana with our best days behind us…We want our best days yet tocome at UK>>>>>
by fanforlife on Mar 28, 2009 1:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Another one on my Tier 1
Would be Villanova’s Jay Wright. Obviously based on comments and his current ongoing success in the tourney, I think he’s a pipe dream. He has coached very different style teams based on the personnel he had at hand, which is something I think good coaches do and was a short-coming of Gillespie. But I like Wright based on age, coaching success, demeanor, etc. I generally have always come away immensely impressed with him.
by lacrosse_cat on Mar 28, 2009 1:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I tell you
when I first got some real feeling that BG was gone he was my second thought….first being Jamie Dixon.
I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!
by tenken on Mar 28, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He would be.
I forgot about him. I don’t think he will come to UK but he should be on the list.
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah he
said last night he wasn’t interested and I believe him more than I believe Cal. I think he would be a great coach and I really like his personality
I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!
by tenken on Mar 28, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just an opinion....
but if I was a coach and my name was bandied about and I was definitely not interested, I would say it with more conviction. Something like…I am not interested at all, I am not going anywhere, if they call I will tell them in no uncertain tems thanks but no thanks. ALL coaches say they are happy where they are at.
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by SevenRings on Mar 28, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
his was more like………I love my president, my athletic director, everything about where I am. It was very emphatic.
I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!
by tenken on Mar 28, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't debating you tenken...;-)
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by SevenRings on Mar 28, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ESPN NEWS CLICKER IS CURRENTLY
reporting that Calipari wants to stay in Memphis. Memphis AD is going to look into more $ to keep him there.
by blue oregon on Mar 28, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
76ers
Does Jay Wright want to cach in the Pros
by fanforlife on Mar 28, 2009 2:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mike Anderson is an interesting name...
I am not saying he would be my choice but 2 weeks ago would anyone have even thought of him as a possible replacement? He certainly coaches basketball at a break-neck pace.
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by SevenRings on Mar 28, 2009 2:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tru
if we wanted say something private to you……how do we do that?
I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!
by tenken on Mar 28, 2009 2:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just email me.
The link is at the bottom of A Sea of Blue on the masthead.
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My analysis of the candidates.
I think Donovan, Calipari, and Matta are the most likely Tier I suspects to take the job, with Donovan the most attractive candidate of the three. As a UF student, I am still fully aware that UK will conjure up as much cash as they can to get him to leave, and I am under the impression that, in spite of his initial assertion, he could eventually find the allure of the program too appealing to resist.
Calipari and Matta, however, have relied heavily on one-and-dones in the past several years, so if either of those two are hired, it will drastically alter the landscape of Kentucky basketball over the next several seasons.
I don’t think the university will take kindly to Pitino going from UK to Louisville to UK again, or that they’ll be able to lure Izzo or Barnes away from their jobs.
One name that I think should get mentioned in the discussion, strangely enough, is Bob Knight. He has stated that he is open to coming back to coaching under the right circumstances, and UK certainly has a lot to offer. I think he should probably be a Tier II or III guy, but, just sayin’
by V. Money on Mar 28, 2009 2:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think
Dickie V said yesterday …….Bob Knight with Travis as his assistant until Travis took over
I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!
by tenken on Mar 28, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i wish
that sounds perfect doesnt it?
by Kuhnnie on Mar 28, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds expensive
and not very likely to be seriously considered
by blue oregon on Mar 28, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
would be a wonderful idea to me
but very, very improbable. TF handling the press, and BK (being the best teacher of the game ever IMO) doing his thing
WOW
It's outta my head but stuck in my mind, in time I find my spine is crooked in design.
by UrthWyrmJim on Mar 28, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree a thousand times over!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bob Knight coming to coach at Kentucky would be just about the only thing I can think of that would make me not want to watch the Cats! He is a bully plain and simple and I have absolutely ZERO respect for people that treat others the way he has over the years!!!!
by wldcatsfreak on Mar 28, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Imagine the Barnhart/Todd announcement
“As we said to you in March, the position of head Coach at the University of Kentucky is about much more than coaching and recruiting, it is about being an ambassador for America’s Next Great University. There is no one who can be a better public ambassador than Robert Montgomery Knight.”
by Gobe Igbloo on Mar 28, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahahahahaha
yeah, whoever they get has to be good w/ the media after all of those comments about being an ambassador
by ben-p on Mar 29, 2009 4:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Players
In today’s press conference, Gillispie made it sound as if the current players plan to come back. I find that hard to be true, but of course if it is true, then that would be amazing considering the circumstances.
I wish that the players were allowed to speak (not saying they aren’t), and voice their feelings about the situation.
by Kuhnnie on Mar 28, 2009 2:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Check out this article...some comments from Meeks
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by SevenRings on Mar 28, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sounds positive
That piece in the kykernal sounds positive. I guess we have to expect some of the players that sat further down the bench to leave, especially with the shortage of scholarships that the team has.
But from that article is sounds as though nobody is overly anxious to leave, albeit liggins may fit that description.
"Dictionary is the only place that success comes before work. Hard work is the price we must pay for success. I think you can accomplish anything if you're willing to pay the price. "
Vince Lombardi
by Kuhnnie on Mar 28, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am more content with us being in the dark about the players' inner thoughts
than I am with the idea of the players being exposed to the unrelenting media/fan feeding frenzy.
Hey guys, we love you. Take a vacation. Hike the Sierras. Play ping pong.
by Gobe Igbloo on Mar 28, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone provide some analysis for me...
between this hire and when UT hired Pearl.
by mark12kentucky on Mar 28, 2009 2:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Argument against Ford?
So, what exactly is the argument against forms in specifics? Not just the general “he’s young” “he’s inexperienced”
He has 11 years experience as head coach—same as Pitino did when he came to UK. He’s actually 2 years OLDER than Pitino was when he came to UK…
Or are we making assumptions on Ford based on our bad experience with BG?
by AthKat on Mar 28, 2009 2:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i agree with u
although we can’t afford to take another chance and have it backfire
It's outta my head but stuck in my mind, in time I find my spine is crooked in design.
by UrthWyrmJim on Mar 28, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not at this point in time
It's outta my head but stuck in my mind, in time I find my spine is crooked in design.
by UrthWyrmJim on Mar 28, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just wouldn't compare Ford to Pitino at that point. But, my main issue with Ford is that I think
lots of folks want to hire him just because he wore the uniform and has had a good run with Oklahoma St this year. We need a Tier I coach, no question about it. If you bring Ford in and it doesn’t work, the maelstrom that will result will make today look like a picnic. Way too risky at this point to suit me.
by bluegrassgal on Mar 28, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Had a good run at OK St?
He was having a bad year until the team got hot at the end and sneaked into the tourney. He won one game (his first ever as a coach in over 10 years of experience). If that is what we call a good run these days then our standards have indeed dropped.
by wklawdog on Mar 28, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry - just going on tourney appearance. I'm not interested enough in Travis Ford's
activities to track him. Would be a bad hire imo.
by bluegrassgal on Mar 28, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pitino had something in 1989 that Ford doesn't have now.
NBA experience.
Ford has little NCAA tourney experience, Gillispie has more than Ford.
UK shouldn’t accept anything less than the Tier 1 coaches Tru mentions above. PERIOD.
by uk1982 on Mar 28, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not AGE But Experience
Pitino coached 2 years in B-East and 2 years in NBA before UK. Plus 5 years at Boston U.
Ford coached NAIA, OVC, A-10, and 1 year at BCS school.
Not even remotely close to similar experience.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 28, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's Not Far Off
The UK job (B-Ball coach) is on a par with ND football coach.
One of the worst spots in college sports. Very VERY difficult.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 28, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Travis
Has 0 final fours. Pitino had one at Providence, a school that had no business being there.
by EEWildcat on Mar 29, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Providence
FF in 1973. Strong basketball tradition Pitino arrived.
Maybe the 1987 team had no business being there but Providence had Been There, Done That.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 29, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
UK Coach Is Bad, Bad Job
Don’t agree with all of Jay Mariotti’s points but he does draw an interesting conclusion that UK is worst coaching position.
by Wild Weasel on Mar 28, 2009 2:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I am not one of those people that thinks ESPN has something against UK
or dislikes everyone that says something negative about UK but I have never liked Mariotti. if you watch Around The Horn, there is never a coach that should keep his job or an athlete that shouldn’t be cut according to him. He almost always takes the negative perspective when it comes to their discussions.
Even after the things Wilbon has said about UK recently I still like him alot.
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by SevenRings on Mar 28, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mariotti is a Chicago reporter
I spend several weeks a year in Chicago. I ask about Mariotti while in Chicago from variety of folks.
Most do not have respect his views on Chicago sports.
by blue oregon on Mar 28, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every good opinion writer has a hook.
Mariotti’s hook happens to take a critical position about EVERY thing.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Mar 28, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No doubt...I guess that is how Skip Bayless keeps his job
what an a**
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by SevenRings on Mar 28, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am
telling you right now please look up Rece’s video against Hubert last night………….YOU WILL LOVE IT!
I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!
by tenken on Mar 28, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw that too....he gave 'em hell
good for Rece
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by SevenRings on Mar 28, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was great
I never email these people but I want to email Rece. When he said Matt D, Hubert got caught in the corner ………….hehehehehehhe
I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!
by tenken on Mar 28, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have been a little surprised...
I have seen or read alot of national coverage regarding this situation and I feel UK has largely been treated fair. Of course, some have skewered us but that is to be expected. Most have logically pointed out several aspects that doesn’t make UK look like complete idiots.
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by SevenRings on Mar 28, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looked on youtube
could not find it. Any leads?
by blue oregon on Mar 28, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you feel so strongly about it
why don’t you give us a link?
by Gobe Igbloo on Mar 28, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't watch it on youtube gobe I watched it live
I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!
by tenken on Mar 28, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He Has A Decent Point Of View
The UK job (B-Ball coach) is on a par with ND football coach.
One of the worst spots in college sports. Very VERY difficult.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 28, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Criteria?
Pitino, Donovan and Izzo are in Tier 1, I presume, because they have won NC’s, why are Calipari, Barnes, Matta and Wright there?
by Wild Weasel on Mar 28, 2009 2:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Because ...
… I happen to think they belong there? :-)
Just an opinion with which you are free to disagree.
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i
honestly would rather have ford than barnes or matta,may not be right but my gut says no to barnes and matta
GO BIG BLUE!! WE WILL BE BACK!!!
by KYCATS77 on Mar 28, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Agree on Matta...
Living just a few miles north of Columbus I’ve watched a fair amount of Buckeye basketball and he is not a very good sideline coach. I can’t take away the sucess he has had as a recruiter but I have never felt he his very good with the Xs & Os.
I hope his name is not on UKs list…..just my opinion of course.
by wldcatsfreak on Mar 28, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has Ford
Really had an opportunity to prove himself? He seems to have improved every school he’s been at. Seems to me that OSU is the first place he’s actually been that he could prove what he was capable of and taking this team to the second round wasn’t a bad accomplishment.
I think he’s gonna be a good coach. Hope we consider him if all the tier 1 and 2 people fall through.
"Learned to love the Cats at a young age, via tape delay."
by ukpastor on Mar 28, 2009 2:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Remember ...
… Ford inherited a bunch of seniors from the previous administration, and some pretty good recruits as well.
You have to be skeptical of what could be a one-year wonder.
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tru is right
I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!
by tenken on Mar 28, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
Just saying this is his first go on the “big stage’ and in my opinion he didn’t blow it at all. He didn’t complain about not "having his players”, or that they were in a rebuilding stage. He just took what he had an did a good job with them. I think it says alot.
"Learned to love the Cats at a young age, via tape delay."
by ukpastor on Mar 28, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely right.
And he hasn’t made the programs that he left any better than when he got there either. UMass still has not been to the NCAA tourney and EKU never got back or won the OVC after he left.
by wklawdog on Mar 28, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not campaigning
just don’t think he is as bad a coach as everyone seems to make him out to be. Like I said, he’s definitely not a top prospect but should be considered if UK can’t get anyone else (which I find highly unlikely)
"Learned to love the Cats at a young age, via tape delay."
by ukpastor on Mar 28, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ukpastor, will all due respect, why do you want Ford so badly? If the university takes a flyer on this
guy simply because he wore the uniform and has had decent luck in the collegiate ranks (depending on who you ask) and he tanks, talk about a blowout. Honestly, Tier I all the way at this point. Maybe Travis for the next opening, but I just don’t see yet. Obviously, my opinion only and everyone has one of those.
by bluegrassgal on Mar 28, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Geez
How many times do I have to say this, I’m not wanting him nor campaigning for him. But, when people are talking about Anderson and equivalents I just don’t get why Ford’s name gets thrown out so quickly.
"Learned to love the Cats at a young age, via tape delay."
by ukpastor on Mar 28, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I get that in light of the Anderson talk. Actually, what little I know about Anderson, I really
like, but I still say Tier I. If not Tier I, then why did the AD and President fire the guy they had? Seriously, if the hire isn’t Tier I, then the fan base deserves to know why not.
by bluegrassgal on Mar 28, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a feeling
there is alot more to this “non-retention” than any of us know. I’ll bet we find out more behind the scenes info in weeks to come.
"Learned to love the Cats at a young age, via tape delay."
by ukpastor on Mar 28, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tru
do we have to look at that cardinal avatar?
by oldcat70 on Mar 28, 2009 2:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry.
You do. He has a right to it.
Just imagine a Wildcat making a meal out of it. Works for me. :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey...it took me five long years to 'earn' that avatar!!
…and I didn’t make it easy on myself either…had a lot of fun, though :)
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Mar 28, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we can trick Hose into putting some Daisy Dukes on the cardinal
it will be gone. Otherwise, no.
by EEWildcat on Mar 29, 2009 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has
anyone heard from Tink?
I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!
by tenken on Mar 28, 2009 3:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
She’s in mourning right now, but I think she’ll be fine.
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
all this is just probably
too painful for her to be a part of the discussion
by uk1982 on Mar 28, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has
anyone heard from Tink?
I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!
by tenken on Mar 28, 2009 3:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Theus
stansbury and jordan…..no way they even get an eyelash batted their way.
GO BIG BLUE!! WE WILL BE BACK!!!
by KYCATS77 on Mar 28, 2009 3:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Probably not.
But I think they should.
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TRU
would you agree that Barbhardt’s job depends on this coaching decision?
GO BIG BLUE!! WE WILL BE BACK!!!
by KYCATS77 on Mar 28, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It could ...
… although it depends on what you mean.
If he hires some unknown or a mid-major coach, yeah, it could get him fired quickly.
But realistically, if he gets any of those above, he will get a chance, at least two years.
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
whoever
the coach is,4 years is needed to establish (unless off court issues happen) So with what mitch has done with the football program he should be given the same IMO
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by KYCATS77 on Mar 28, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but a winning season in football is acceptable at UK...
right?
‘When you build a house and you make it hurricane-proof by putting certain kinds of windows in it, and use cement instead of stick construction and all that kind of stuff, you’re getting prepared for what? A hurricane that may or may never every come." ’We’re going to have 12 hurricanes next year, we know they’re coming.’
- Coach Nick Saban
by bammer on Mar 28, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I totally see your point here
But, UK football does not even remotely have the same standards as UK basketball does. UK bball is a history of winning….the winningest team in college bball history (like i even need to say that).
by uk1982 on Mar 29, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but not three years
live by the sword-die by the sword.
by blue oregon on Mar 28, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Theus
sure would make the ladies stand up and take notice,plus He can coach.
by oldcat70 on Mar 28, 2009 3:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bobby knight +Travis ford combo
that dickie v said on espn yesterday…one of the funniest things i have heard lately
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by KYCATS77 on Mar 28, 2009 3:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I have to ask this....
(this is coming from a bama fan who understands high expectations)
What makes you guys think Petino, Cal or Donovan would leave their schools where they have had tremendous success at to come to UK?? IT’s not that i don’t think UK is a GREAT job and it’s obvious they can pay any amount of money. I remember when Alabama was looking there were some crazy names being thrown out before we hired Saban….sure we got the perfect guy for the job but only becuase he had failed in the pros….
Im sure you guys want those Tier 1 guys but the fact is they are there for a reason…not sure they would leave…
ALSO…why on earth would you want Petino back?? He stabbed yall in the back by leaving…then shot you in the face by going to U of L……im just shocked im seeing UK fans evening considering bringing him back?? THat would be like Bama bringing in Franchonie!!!
‘When you build a house and you make it hurricane-proof by putting certain kinds of windows in it, and use cement instead of stick construction and all that kind of stuff, you’re getting prepared for what? A hurricane that may or may never every come." ’We’re going to have 12 hurricanes next year, we know they’re coming.’
- Coach Nick Saban
by bammer on Mar 28, 2009 3:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh ...
… if you notice, I never spoke to the possibility of them actually accepting. In fact, I disclaimed it.
But these are guys that will be approached in some form or fashion. Most of them will doubtless say no.
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ahhh
gotcha …..i get in trouble over at RBR for being a realist and not falling in line with the expectations that come with being a bama fan…i don’t expect 12-0 every year and somehow that sounds like im not a true fan…i don’t really get that….
Im sure you guys will get a great coach but im not sold he has to be some elite guy….if i were yall id go after anderson…what he’s doint at Mizzou is amazing…many bama fans wanted him. He has ties to the south and plays that fast paced game that UK fans love….he might not be a Tier 1 but is someone that HAS to be looked at…especialy if he beats UConn
‘When you build a house and you make it hurricane-proof by putting certain kinds of windows in it, and use cement instead of stick construction and all that kind of stuff, you’re getting prepared for what? A hurricane that may or may never every come." ’We’re going to have 12 hurricanes next year, we know they’re coming.’
- Coach Nick Saban
by bammer on Mar 28, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anderson would not be a bad hire.
Right now, I’m leaning toward Reggie Theus, though, after the Tier 1’s say no.
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what kinda of success do
coaches coming from the NBA have in the college ranks?
‘When you build a house and you make it hurricane-proof by putting certain kinds of windows in it, and use cement instead of stick construction and all that kind of stuff, you’re getting prepared for what? A hurricane that may or may never every come." ’We’re going to have 12 hurricanes next year, we know they’re coming.’
- Coach Nick Saban
by bammer on Mar 28, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Example 1: Rick Pitino
Example 2: Larry Brown
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Mar 30, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dixon from Tru's Tier 2
has impressive stats (see Ken’s thread)
by blue oregon on Mar 28, 2009 3:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Please, please, please,
Can we hire an offensive minded coach this time. After watching Kentucky imitate Big 10 basketball for the last few years, I would like to see a team that knows how to shoot the ball from more than one position on the floor. Defense wins championships in football, but in college basketball, your defense only needs to be decent if your offense is strong.
by wklawdog on Mar 28, 2009 3:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tiers
I think Thad Matta is Tier II…and I’ve heard he has some attitude issues
I think right next to him is his Protege Sean Miller – and a hair ahead due to his recent X success…also his youth and seeming contentment make him seem like someone that would want to be 80 miles down the road for a while – he could almost live in the same place and drive in everyday!
Tier I addons
Ben Howland – UCLA
Tim Floyd – Iowa St/Bulls/USC
Out of Left Field but interesting
Jeff Van Gundy – Knicks/Houston… think of recruiting kids that want to be NBA players
Rick Carlisle – formerly of Pistons – ties to Tayshaun Prince
Way out there
Dave Cowens – Asst Coach @ Detroit right now, also at Boston, Milwaukee and Golden State – born in Newport KY… top 25 centers of all times although 6-9 (PPat & Orton!!!) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Cowens
not sure about Stansbury – sure he has Kentucky ties but……
by UKFaninSoFla on Mar 28, 2009 3:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
KSR. UGLY UK PLAYER ACCUSATIONS ABOUT BCG TODAY
Not good if true. Also makes his presser today a huge pretense.
by blue oregon on Mar 28, 2009 4:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ummmmm.....I read those as well and am speechless...just wow
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by SevenRings on Mar 28, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I SHOULD ADD THAT I HAVE BEEN ON KSR MAYBE 6 TIMES
I have no idea how reliable Matt’s information/sources may be. However, Meek"s comments published in the Kernel does give credence that the possibility of ugly behavior towards his players could have actually been real.
by blue oregon on Mar 28, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matt Jones is definitely connected inside the program...he attends pressers and asks questtions etc.
He says he know these things for certain but you never know.
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by SevenRings on Mar 28, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My question to Matt would be ...
… have you witnessed any of these alleged abuses yourself. If so, which ones.
I don’t think Matt is lying, and I think he believes what he is being told because his sources have been reliable. But I don’t think he is reporting the truth. It may be accurate, but I suspect it is not the truth.
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jones also have history
of making up news, selective and biased reporting to fit his agenda.
In the infamous spat between him and Maggard, Jones was accused to be stealing info.
I personally do not trust Jones.
by khlim2 on Mar 28, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am speechless about this.......how can u think that kind of tuf luv is even REMOTELY beneficial...
….I hope this stuff is wrong….but Jodie’s comments lead me to think it may be otherwise…SIGH
by teambeam on Mar 28, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had a feeling
some things like this would come out.
"Learned to love the Cats at a young age, via tape delay."
by ukpastor on Mar 28, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
W/O actually being the "fly on the wall"
we will probably never know the full extent of how coach G treated his players. If however he was the tyrant the KSR article is making him out to be then he absolutely deserved to go. No one and I mean NO ONE deserves such treatment at the hands of aa authority figure.
by wldcatsfreak on Mar 28, 2009 5:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Kiss And Tell
We may have to wait for an extended period — but not nearly as long in earlier and more respectful times — but there will be a tell all publication at some time. The book about Bob Knight’s first year at USMA (1964) took nearly 30 years but come out it did.
by Wild Weasel on Mar 28, 2009 5:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Guy Who Sits Next To Me At Work
Was on the Army freshman team that year.
He says the book sugarcoats it. Knight (then) was MUCH WORSE than imagined.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 28, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it came down to a vote
Calipari may turn kentucky basketball into a bunch of gangbanger type players who have a rough image. He seems to recruit thugs/gangbangers (not literally) who have lots of talent but no real intellect. He doesnt graduate many for whatever reason . I dont think that image is consistant with the kentucky brand.
Also, I believe that had mr. wildcat been there this year, things may have gone better, but after reading some of the anecdotal stories on KSR, I think that maybe it wouldnt have mattered.
One thing is clear to me, as kentucky moves forward, I think it’s imperative to have someone on the staff who has been around kentucky basketball, who can act like a guide in certain situations. Somebody like mr. wildcat. It would be cool to see Joe B. Hall do the equipment manager position and have Dan Issel on board somewhere as well. Kentucky will need to really manage their PR situation for a while to change around the perceptions that are currently plaguing our program.
I really feel like barnhart looks like a chode after the way he’s handled everything. He looks, sounds, acts really weak and wimpy. I bet CM could still take him on.
Barnhart has severely messed up.
"Dictionary is the only place that success comes before work. Hard work is the price we must pay for success. I think you can accomplish anything if you're willing to pay the price. "
Vince Lombardi
by Kuhnnie on Mar 28, 2009 8:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Personally...
I think that Pitino, Izzo, Donovan, and most of the Tier 1 guys will stayt right where they are. I don’t believe that Pitino will leave U of L., mostly because he’s already in Kentucky, and he’s already reaching a lot of success at Louisville, but hasn’t won the big dance…….yet. Izzo will stat at MSu forthe same reasons, as I also believe that Donovan will not come to UK, either. The only one that I see that may be a definite shot in the Tier 1 is John Calipari, and I believe, too, that he would come if offered for two reasons:
1. He’s friends with (or at least has a good relationships with) Rick Pitino, and the opportunity to live near him and coach at a school thatp lays him regularly would be welcome.
2. U.K .would be THE place for Calipari to cement his image — remake it, even — in College Basketball. He is basically in the same position that Pitino was in in 1989: Calipari’s taken a team to the dance, but never won the show. If he could do here what Pitino did — bring U.K. back to great glory — he would be viewed with a different light, I believe.
I don’t think U.K. would do well with any of the Tier 2 guys, in my opinion. None of them seem really up to the task, and I believe wth any of them, we’d be getting into a similar situation as we had with Coach G.
The Tier 3 guys all look a[[ealing simply because they all gre up in Kentucky, and two of them — Ford and Pelphrey — played at U.K., and know how bright the spotlight is. I do believe that both Pelphrey and Ford would come if asked. Stansbury, in the “Other” Category would come, as I believe Horn wuld, simply because they, too, grew up in Kentucky, and though not having played for U.K., would be well aware of the pressure surrounding the job.
In my opinion, U.K. ought to try Pelphrey or Calipari. I believe that either of these two would reshapoe the program and get it back to its winning ways.
Just my two cents’ worth…….
"I will never leave you nor forsake you."
--Jesus Christ
by Blue_Tiger on Mar 29, 2009 4:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Calipari Would
Pelphrey won’t. He’s too raw. 1 year at BCS school. No real success at HC yet.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 29, 2009 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A few thoughts
The people I’ve talked to here in Lexington seem very pro Travis Ford. I am not. I think that 1 year in the Big 12 is not enough experience going into a coaching job like UK. It’s just not. Someone w/ more experience is going to have more success 9 times out of 10. But people here seem to think that he could be our Coach K and be here for the next 20 years and win a couple of championships along the way.
Also, I’m from Campbellsville, KY. Where Ford coached. People connected to the University there would much rather see Stansbury (who played his college ball there and was an assistant there in the early 80’s) as our next coach. He might not be considered to have Kentucky ties, but he’s got ties in the state.
Personally I’d like to see Barnes or possibly Donovan as the next coach. Preferably Barnes.
by ben-p on Mar 29, 2009 4:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I really like Stansbury, actually.
But it seems I am one of the few.
I don’t think Rick Barnes is a very good coach. He is a great recruiter, but I think we need a coach more. Just my opinion on that.
I think UK would embrace Travis Ford. I just think there are many others better qualified.
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 29, 2009 7:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree about Barnes
And I’m not sure his recruiting mojo would transfer from Texas.
I think the same about Matta – great recruiter, underachieves with his talent.
We need someone who overachieves with the talent they have, and use the Kentucky brand, fans, and facilities to get them better recruits to take it to the next level.
by EEWildcat on Mar 29, 2009 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barnes
One thing in his favor is that he and Pitino don’t see eye-to-eye. Something from their Providence days. One succeeded the other there – I forget which way.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 29, 2009 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Travis Ford
i fear would be the Matt Daugherty nightmare suffered at NC…I love Travis..but he needs more time.
by bradcatfan on Mar 29, 2009 7:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Travis
Travie might work if the General was on the sideline with him for 3-4 years
by Wildcatt on Mar 29, 2009 8:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bobby Knight
69 years old.
Retired.
Not gonna coach at UK.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 29, 2009 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Travis
Then we MUST pass on Travis for now
by Wildcatt on Mar 29, 2009 8:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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