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Open Thread: Gillispie Press Conference

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This is an open thread to discuss Billy Gillispie's press conference, which is supposed to happen at 11:00 AM today.

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1300am has it live...

That’s what I’m listening too….

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Mar 28, 2009 11:01 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

WTVQ 36 Also has it live...!

Watching now..!

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Mar 28, 2009 11:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dear Lord

 … just say thanks to the fans, it wasn’t a good fit and be done.

The Heart & Mind of the Big Blue Nation ...

by JL Blue on Mar 28, 2009 11:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Can't get any of those to work.

Anyone hear what he is saying?

Xbox Live Gamertag: hoopchi

by hoopchi on Mar 28, 2009 11:08 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No hard feelings...

really loves the town, made friends… taking the high road

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Mar 28, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

whas

did you try that one, it is the only one I can get to work

by StillCatwoman on Mar 28, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I missed the first few minutes

but he is taking questions and being very gracious
VERY

by StillCatwoman on Mar 28, 2009 11:11 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

CJ feed works.

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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 11:11 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That's Where I'm Listening

Good man, very good coach, bad fit.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 28, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For his future ...

… this is just his chance to get out in front for the next job, which he will probably be very successful at.

He’s just a very tough fit for the kleig lights.

The Heart & Mind of the Big Blue Nation ...

by JL Blue on Mar 28, 2009 11:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

says meeting w/team

was not great news but was great meeting for him. talks about how much he loves the team. says only great things about team
told them his phone number would never change for the rest of his life and he would always be there for them. he would have their back

by StillCatwoman on Mar 28, 2009 11:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe

There sure are a lot of UK fans who seem to like him a lot more now that he’s fired than they did the day after he lost to Georgia at home on Senior Day to effectively end our NCAA chances.

The Heart & Mind of the Big Blue Nation ...

by JL Blue on Mar 28, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

THANK YOU

that’s what I’ve been thinking. No offense to anyone’s opinion, but I’m having a hard time buying this firing as a move by the big money, bigwig types and against the fervent wishes of all the common man fans. I sure did hear a lot of bitching about him by an awful lot of “regular folks” before yesterday.

by blue kentucky girl on Mar 28, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Point is the regular folks didn't give a damn about him being an ambassador.

They cared about the record. MB and Todd said it wasn’t about that. He wasn’t good for the University.

by Thomas Hunt Morgan on Mar 28, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I respectfully disagree

about fans not caring about the “ambassador” thing. I think fans give a great, huge damn about that. They want to feel that the coach believes the job is special and really cherishes it, that he grasps the importance and history of it. Like, by respecting the traditions of the job, like speaking to the Rotary Club or whatever it was, by not saying things like “that wasn’t in the job description.” I really do think UK fans get unfairly pegged as only caring about the wins and losses; honestly I think it’s way bigger than that with the fan base as a whole.

by blue kentucky girl on Mar 28, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll say there were quite a few fans

who did not even know that the UK coach spoke to the Rotary club annually. Was this really a removal offense? I don’t think Gillispie disregarded many of the traditions of UK. Let’s watch as we discuss new potential hires how many times, people mention that they’d like candidate x because he is a good ambassador instead of their coaching history. In my opinion, we’ll see fans place a lot more emphasis a coach’s record.

by Thomas Hunt Morgan on Mar 28, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The next coach has to do BOTH.....

have a good win/loss record AND represent the school/embrace the history of UK. Coach G. did not and that is why we are here today.

by wldcatsfreak on Mar 28, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right

the coach has to do both…do the job both on and off the court…and needs to do both these things at a really high level. I know that’s asking a lot—like everybody in the media has said a million times, it’s a really challenging job!! I don’t think Gillispie was an abject failure at the “ambassador” thing by any means, but he sure as hell needed to be a lot better OFF the court that he was if he wasn’t going to be super-successful ON it.

by blue kentucky girl on Mar 28, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

BKG...had a great time at my backyard party last night.

Got a little out of hand though….people playing beer pong, belly shots, dancing on the tables. There were even a few hot chicks that showed up wearing jean shorts and tube tops. Ya gotta like that.

The neighbors house was on fire and there was alot of activity, but it was stil standing nonetheless. Still smoke and all, but it still is inhabitable.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Mar 28, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes, your little party last night

went very well, didn’t it? : ) I’m still incredibly hungover and feeling HORRIBLE from mine at the crazy neighbor’s….and unfortunatly I’m not speaking metaphorically here.

GOd, these analogies are making my head pound even WORSE.

by blue kentucky girl on Mar 28, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

advice for the next guy?

says not an advice giver. someone told him the worse vice is advice and he wouldn’t be giving advice to the next guy who he did not think would want his advice anyway

by StillCatwoman on Mar 28, 2009 11:16 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Remember Tubby's Advice To Him?

(Jokingly)

He said Don’t W Big, Too Soon.

Billy followed that advice.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 28, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Contract

Asked about the $6M. Says his MOU is a contract and that’s what it says in the contract.

by jwnky on Mar 28, 2009 11:18 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If he had done this the last 2 years

He would still be coaching here…IMHO

by jwnky on Mar 28, 2009 11:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

maybe he feels like the pressure's off

I know he’s probably still stressed being fired and all. But in a sense maybe he feels like the pressure is off him now.

by uk1982 on Mar 28, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

remember how al gore

gave his best, most personable press conference after he lost?

by StillCatwoman on Mar 28, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly What I Thought Of Posting

But didn’t know if that crossed over the No Politics line.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 28, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ironic

he says assistants/staff were great “ambassadors” for the university

by uk1982 on Mar 28, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hate To Say It But. . .

Does it seem to anyone else that he actually seems relieved? Was the job too much pressure? He just looks so relaxed. 180 degrees from some of the scenes we’ve been treated to over the past 2 years.

by Bluegilla on Mar 28, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Al Gore had a couple of spots on Futurama where he was really funny

I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra

by JLeverenz on Mar 28, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

[....cough, cough....gag...]

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Mar 28, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

harbors no ill feelings

says life is too short. just because he is leaving Ky there does not have to be a conflict. Says he learned a lot, life is ever evolving. talks about how rewarding last year was when then won all the conference games.
He says the team did great except for a couple of 2 weeks stretches and some close games they should have won.
also says he is ready to coach next year, very interested

by StillCatwoman on Mar 28, 2009 11:21 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He has the easier conference to give.

All he has to do is be gracious and friendly, talk nice about the players and school and (this is the almost more important for HIM) he is saying that if he had just had a couple more wins or a few good breaks, everything would have been fine. He doesn’t acknowledge any personal problems or having been asked to change things.

by wklawdog on Mar 28, 2009 11:25 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That's pretty easy to say, but hard to do.

He could just as easily rip UK, Todd and Barnhart, the media, etc. I mean the guy just got FIRED from his dream job.

by Thomas Hunt Morgan on Mar 28, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He could, if he wanted to hurt his next job prospects.

By being gracious and acting like everything came down to a few bad breaks, he makes the administration look worse than if he ripped them.

by wklawdog on Mar 28, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ripping anyone would have been so

STUPID for his chances of landing a good gig though…it was in his self-interest to come off gracious and taking the high road.

by blue kentucky girl on Mar 28, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He wouldn't have to rip his bosses.

But he could forcefully defend himself from the accusations that surround him. He hasn’t. He is taking the high road.

by Thomas Hunt Morgan on Mar 28, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, I think he did defend himself, but in a better way.

What he constantly said was that things would have been different with a few breaks. By saying this, he was going directly against their comments of “bad fit” and making it all about wins and losses. Very smart approach that will play well outside of the state.

by wklawdog on Mar 28, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it didn't take much

they looked bad enough on their own yesterday with no one’s help

by uk1982 on Mar 28, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Barf

OK, I started out thinking “Good for him, he is making Mitch & Dr. Todd seem like total a-holes” but now it’s starting to get too sugary for me. Seeming more and more fake.

by AthKat on Mar 28, 2009 11:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yep.

I don’t buy the fact that no one asked him to change anything during the past two years.

by wklawdog on Mar 28, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

good guy, but...

…it’s PR, pure and simple… (at this point) IMO

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Mar 28, 2009 11:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

not simply your opinion

I would say at this point, it’s a FACT.

by uk1982 on Mar 28, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is being

really gracious. REALLY GRACIOUS

"Learned to love the Cats at a young age, via tape delay."

by ukpastor on Mar 28, 2009 11:34 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Fans

I noticed he kind of skirted the “did the fans chase you off” question. “Oh, I don’t read the blogs” etc etc. Should have been more absolute “No, that’s ridiculous” type of stuff. Instead he acted like he had no idea fans were unhappy.

by AthKat on Mar 28, 2009 11:34 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

PR

he’s making sure future opportunities know he can handle the press and actually enjoys being in front of them

by mark12kentucky on Mar 28, 2009 11:34 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Okay, the “You wanna buy my house?” line was good

by AthKat on Mar 28, 2009 11:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Definitely

Probably one of the funniest exchanges between him and the press

by jwnky on Mar 28, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

FORD FORD FORD

I’m tired of searching for a coach and it makes it look like we’re begging for a savior…….bring in one of our own……who wants to be here and is in love with Kentucky…..also have the foresight to see that Travis is an offensive innovator and going to be a great coach!!!

We as a fan base should ralley around a movement for him!

by UKNATION1996 on Mar 28, 2009 11:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bad Timing For Ford

He’s way TOO GREEN to become HC of the Big Blue.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 28, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Loved Travis Ford as a PLAYER

But as a COACH, he has yet to prove himself.

If Ford is chosen, EXPERIENCE-WISE, an equal or maybe worse choice than Gillispie. But that’s IMO, of course yours is different. He has more years experience coaching though.

by uk1982 on Mar 28, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What is it with everybody and Travis Ford?

He has been a head coach for what, nine years, and he has only won one more game in the NCAA than I have. Heck, I am an alumnus, hire me. I’ll be cheaper too.

by wklawdog on Mar 28, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

a gamble

I don’t think that Mitch can afford another gamble like Ford would be. He needs to bring in a proven coach.

by cthom on Mar 28, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if he does gamble AGAIN.......

They’ll be yet ANOTHER “Ditch Mitch” campaign in Ky.

by uk1982 on Mar 28, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't need Ford. Bad choice.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on Mar 28, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ford

has even further to fall if he fails than others. I’m not for it. I don’t think he’s ready.

by AthKat on Mar 28, 2009 11:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Anyone else catch more

of that last exchange after the press conf. was over….I missed the first part but I heard Billy say “right…we got rid of our problem”

by jwnky on Mar 28, 2009 11:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Dreaded Live Microphone

i heard it.

Billy’s only mistake today.

PR training has taught me NEVER to make offhand remarks like that.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 28, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not a mistake.

There was no context at all to go along with it. Nobody knows what he is talking about.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

??

What was the first part? Just heard the “we got rid of our problem” line

by AthKat on Mar 28, 2009 11:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I replayed it a couple of times.

He was speaking to Dick Gabriel. The first part is inaudible.

by Thomas Hunt Morgan on Mar 28, 2009 11:41 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

MB and LT

I need specifics from those who are blasting MB and LT for yesterday’s press conference ( “presser” sounds like someone who works in a laundry). How specifically could they have handled a very tough situation better? I’m not saying they handled the coaching situation as well as they could, but the negative comments about their press conference, I just don’t get.

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro...Hunter S. Thompson

by UK72CatFan on Mar 28, 2009 11:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I Think MB Is On Melting Ice

He should have said I Made A Mistake In 2007.

Because he DID.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 28, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree 100000000% forty

He took NONE of the blame, and totally skirted around that issue.

by uk1982 on Mar 28, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

also the "chemistry" comment

Made me want to puke. I feel like he could’ve used better choice of words there.

by uk1982 on Mar 28, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think ...

… that perception is that, quite frankly, they came away looking like politicians. Mitch Barnhart may connect well to big time boosters, but every time I hear him under difficult circumstances, I have an uncontrollable desire to want to go wash my hands.

I thought Dr. Todd did not look like a man in charge, and he should have been. He looked to me like he had basically turned it over to Barnhart and was repeating talking points.

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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Todd came across to me

as a doddering old man that seemed confused by what was happening around him, and make an angry, vengeful decision.

The whole dynamic was very bizarre. An angry old man sitting mostly silent while his underling said EXACTLY what Todd wanted him to say.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on Mar 28, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I try to remember that Todd is president of the University, not of the b-ball team. It wouldn’t be too far of a stretch for him to think he had bigger concerns than what one of the extra-curricular activities had going on. Barnhart on the other hand…..

by DTharp on Mar 28, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It kinda seemed like

Mitch was under pressure to get rid of Billy, if you link it back that few weeks earlier he said Billy is not in a hot seat. He wasn’t going to get rid of Billy but something apparently changed.

My speculation is that some one read in too much of some of careless and honest comments Billy made, and make a big deal out it, which leads to more conflicts and ultimately the dismissal.

by khlim2 on Mar 28, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well for starters.

The opening statement was just an abomination of the English language. Someone could have proofread it.

by Thomas Hunt Morgan on Mar 28, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heh.

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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My Favorite Billy Line Of The Whole Event

(Something like)

If they don’t W every single game next year, y’all are gonna be all over the coach.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 28, 2009 11:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

and that is so true

If he had just simply WON MORE GAMES this year, he’d still be our head coach.

by uk1982 on Mar 28, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's true, but ...

… it’s clear that the AD-Coach relationship was totally dysfunctional. I think that Barnhart really dislikes Gillispie, because he does the things Barnhart would never do — speaks his mind and doesn’t hold back. People like Barnhart find that gauche and condescend to it 100% of the time.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gauche

Thank goodness for Google.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 28, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

I don’t think Todd OR Barnhart liked Gillispie, and I think it had little to do with his interaction with the media, etc. I think they looked down their noses at him, and considered him a simpleton, an uneducated non-elite.

They want a coach they can get along with on a personal level, which is selfish and not in the interests of the program. Unfortunately, that same dynamic exists in the business world as well.

They want someone MORE like them.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on Mar 28, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep. That's pretty much where the real rub was.

Barnhart abandoned Gillispie to his fate a few months after he was hired, in my opinion.

I could be wrong, but that’s my read.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So True

I had my concerns that Barnhart didn’t have Gillispie’s back based on comments he made during the “Road To Kentucky” show right after coach was hired.

Barnhart said that Gillispie was a self-made man and that he was special because he was head coach at Kentucky. Gillispie said that he was just a regular guy. Right there, it told me that Barnhart wanted Gillispie to be something he was not.

We know that Gillispie is never going to pretend he is someone he’s not. He said that it would be an embarassment to his parents and family if he did.

I think the basketball players and their families should remember that.

by Jana98 on Mar 28, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and they want someone

who will play their little game with them

by uk1982 on Mar 28, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree Tru

The more I’m reading and thinking about this, I think Mitch simply DID NOT LIKE Gillispie.

Gillispie just didn’t mince (sp?) his words and I think that just disgusted the administration.

by uk1982 on Mar 28, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly, Barnhart can say this was for the kids, or the university, or the pigmies in New Guinea. Plain and simple if they had a game this weekend they would have no problems with BCG.

by DTharp on Mar 28, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I completely disagree.

He would have still had problems, but he would have been powerless to do anything about it. By firing BCG now, he gets him out now before we would have had a Bobby Knight/Indiana situation where the coach had won so much he could hold the university hostage. While true that he would still be there if he lost, the administration would have still had lots of problems with him.

by wklawdog on Mar 28, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you think ...

… one year would have made that much difference? And do you actually believe that Gillispie was anything like Bobby Knight?

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Depends.

If things went the way he thought they were going to go, judging by his statements, he would have won SEC and made sweet 16 or better. If that happens, fans love him and he is untouchable. That is why he wanted to stay.

As for being Bobby Knight, if half of the stuff that is starting to come out about his relations with the administration and players is true, then he was well on his way. I find it quite telling that Jodie Meeks told the school newspaper that he agreed with and supported the administration on this.

by wklawdog on Mar 28, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No...but he was headed that way.

And believe it or not, Knight has a sense of humor that showed periodically…at least more that Billy. But no way had Gillispie reached the level of BK…not yet at least.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Mar 28, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was more along the lines of ...

… they SHOULD be all over whoever is coaching. :-)

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would have been fine if they kept coach.....

but I can’t say that I am upset that he is fired. If UK lands one of the metioned heavyweights, I think UK will improve much faster than they would have with the current coach. A bad hire thought could be disastrous.

Slower Traffic Keep Right!

by SevenRings on Mar 28, 2009 11:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think at this point

ANOTHER “bad” hire (don’t think Gillispie was ‘bad’ per se, but obvious Mitch hired him w/o doing serious homework) would cost Mitch his job as well.

by uk1982 on Mar 28, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Back To Work

BCG used this news conference to help enhace his employment possibilites.
He was addressing the weaknesses he displayed that caused the “doesn’t fit” problems.
He also didn’t remember saying it’s not my job.

by Bluebarn on Mar 28, 2009 11:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He probably ...

… did not mean for it to come out that way. People like him often have difficulty communicating exactly what they mean.

It was purely used as a damning excuse. In a rational world, they would have asked him to explain that comment to the media and moved on.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

BCG

Understand his reasons for being so upbeat at his presser. Indeed he was very gracious and certainly could have been more defensive.

Hate to write it but at times he came off like Gomer Pyle

by blue oregon on Mar 28, 2009 11:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I disagree, and think that's a bit offensive.

Gillispie comes across as an intelligent man, to me. He has a simple and straightforward manner of speech and a Texas accent.

I suppose that many of my relatives in Eastern Kentucky also would sound “like Gomer Pyle” to you.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on Mar 28, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

blbskue

Easy. My relatives are from Estill County.

by blue oregon on Mar 28, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's West Texas, Thru-N-Thru

No pretense, here’s what I think, what I am, etc.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 28, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Which is why Mitch should have known what he had when he brought him into the KY program

by blue oregon on Mar 28, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Barnhart is neithe Gomer Pyle or an intelligent man.

That’s not necessarily a bad thing, mind you.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Mar 28, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You sound like ...

… you are reading Barhnart’s thoughts. :-)

That’s something I would have expected him to say.

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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe this was all a ploy.

After his gracious speech today, Todd and Barnhart ask Gillispie to rejoin the program.

I wish. Not going to happen I suppose.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on Mar 28, 2009 11:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Heh. Funny.

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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

IRONY

he got fired for his PR, not his W/L – apparently, but most people wanted him fired because of the W/L, not the PR – which he handled very well today.
He will win the next place he goes.
He would be 3rd or 4th on my wishlist, which means it looks like we are going to get a coach that is less desirable than BCG, IMO

waiting on a new banner being raised into the rafters of Rupp..........

by cdnWildcatfan on Mar 28, 2009 11:56 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think you're right.

I think Gillispie will be wildly successful eventually, if given time to grow and develop, and I will cheer for him wherever he goes (while continuing to cheer the the ’Cats, of course).

I have a strong feeling that we will come to regret this decision in a few years. Many already regret it, but I think the program will realize it made a terrible mistake down the road.

And I hope I’m right. Gillispie deserves a NC trophy, even if it’s not with our Cats.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on Mar 28, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now

UK needs to find a coach that will personify UK Basketball, the Univ, the State, the Tradition. Some who becomes synonymous with UK

by mark12kentucky on Mar 28, 2009 11:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hmm.

I don’t really see that person out there.

I would settle for a good coach that wins games and can get along with the administration.

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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tru.....

What’s your take on the recruits?

by uk1982 on Mar 28, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Depends on who comes to UK.

They will wait and see.

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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In regards to the recruits only.

A move sooner rather than later will stand a better chance of keeping them. Every day that passes is another day someone is counter-recruiting these players.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Mar 28, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True.

But I would rather get the right person this time, even if it means losing a recruit or two.

Losing players after a change is a normal part of the process, both incoming and current. It will not likely be different at UK.

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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Patience

That’s what it will take to get it right. That person is out there it will just take real depth in the search.

by mark12kentucky on Mar 28, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Meh.

Did Pitino do this for you? Tubby? What is the “personification” of the program? Pitino, Tubby, and Gillispie were all VERY different people. Pitino and Tubby were “synonymous” with UK, but for VERY different reasons. Gillispie could have gotten there, just in a different way than any of the others.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on Mar 28, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pitino yes...

but Tubby started out that way but lost his fervor in the later years. Gillespie never had the right personality to be the personality of the program. I don’t think he could have gotten there. Personality is tought to “learn”.

by mark12kentucky on Mar 28, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My point:

Pitino came across as slimy. That was the personification when he was here – we won, so nobody cared.

Tubby came across as “nice family guy.” That was the personification when he was here. We won, most of the time, but it was ultimately that very “personification” that made some fans question whether Tubby “had it.” That is, he wasn’t hard-core enough to run the program because he was a nice family man. I disagree, but that was the perception of some.

There is no one “personification” of the program.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on Mar 28, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not True

Tubby did NOT lose his fervor AT ALL.

It’s a myth spread by a few but FALSE.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 28, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe

we need a coach that will win, the best representative of the state possible will be hated if he goes 0-1 in the tournament over the next 2 years like BCG

waiting on a new banner being raised into the rafters of Rupp..........

by cdnWildcatfan on Mar 28, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What choice did coach have other than to sound contrite and gracious?

How would it serve him have served him well to blast the University etc.? I think he was being authentic but he really didn’t have a choice because to do otherwise would not serve him well if he wants to coach another major program or even a lower major program.

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by SevenRings on Mar 28, 2009 11:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't really think ...

… that he felt any kind of pressure to hold back. I think it is against his principles to come out and say bad things about people. I have never ever seen him do that, or heard of him doing it other than to get a player’s attention, something all coaches do.

Styling him as simply political in this case, even when it is clear that is not his way, seems unfair to me.

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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Landing Another Coaching Spot

With Anthony Grant going to Bama the VCU job might be a perfect fit for Gillispie.

by Bluegilla on Mar 28, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah - I'm getting a little worried about her. She hasn't made an appearance since this all happened.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on Mar 28, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

By that, no, I haven't heard from her.

Chirop? Vince?

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on Mar 28, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

She's ok...

…She’s a little down right now but she’ll be fine… she just wants to stay away from blogs right now…

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Mar 28, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably advice a lot of us should take, myself included. I just don't have anything else to do on this rainy, gloomy

Saturday.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on Mar 28, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

She's been around.

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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tru or Vince--get the word to Tinkerbell if you have contact with her...

Tell her that we all asked about her and when it comes to UK basketball we are all family here at ASOB (family—as in nuts off of the same tree) and that we will all get through this time together.

by StillCatwoman on Mar 28, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Consider it done.

She is fine, just in mourning.

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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Has anyone heard..

anything solid on who we are looking at ?

by 59Bennett on Mar 28, 2009 12:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

no

But it had better be someone HIGH CALIBER or it’ll be another mess

by uk1982 on Mar 28, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True, no doubt.

But not with his Barnhart problem.

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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do agree with you there.

I think Keightly provided a buffer for Gillispie to the administration. As in, the administration dealt with Keightly, and Keightly dealt with Gillispie.

Losing Keightly was a costly loss for Gillispie. This year, without Keightly, Gillispie had to deal with Barnhart on his own.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on Mar 28, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who did more harm?

Barnhart and Todd removed Gillispie because he was not a good ambassador and apparently felt that the University’s reputation would be harmed by Gillispie’s paucity of diplomacy.

Question: Did Todd and Barnhart harm the University’s reputation more by firing Gilliispie than Gillispie would have if he remained as a non-ambassador head coach?

by Thomas Hunt Morgan on Mar 28, 2009 12:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think the blame lies all on Barnhart/Todd

Gillispie shouldn’t have been hired in the first place. He was the same before he came to UK as he is now. That should have been noticed BEFORE he was hired.

by uk1982 on Mar 28, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

certainly looks like a bad move in the AD part...

and almost certainly if next regime doesn’t do well, UK’s swagger might as well diminished completely.

by khlim2 on Mar 28, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ding ding ding.....Wklawdog

we have a winner……land Donovan or Calipari and this will blow over faster than a West Texas dust storm

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by SevenRings on Mar 28, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like the last time we ran a winning coach out of town trying to make him someone he wasn’t?

by DTharp on Mar 28, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No Coach Ran Out Of Town Last Time

That’s a myth. He changed jobs by his own choice.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 28, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe ...

… if they talk sweet enough for MB.

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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But he chose to do so because the situation changed once Barnhart came under a little pressure.

by DTharp on Mar 28, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not So AT ALL

He considered leaving in 2001 and 2005 also.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 28, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

probably

I would say yes. I could see people saying “so-in-so sure is an asshole, but he’s a damn good coach”

by uk1982 on Mar 28, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

Donovan = asshole.

Ford = asshole.

Many fans are fine overlooking this because they have Kentucky ties, and in Donovan’s case, have proven track records.

Saying Gillispie wasn’t the right fit the program because he was an asshole is not only wrong, it’s a cop-out.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on Mar 28, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perspective....if they are your a$$hole

somehowe they become more tolerable (except in BCG’s case)

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by SevenRings on Mar 28, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would agree, with qualfications.

If UK has to go down to the second or third tier, I don’t think the wins will come soon enough. Recruits will likely bolt, and we’ll quite possibly be little better than we were this year, assuming Patterson comes back.

If not, it could get real ugly.

Too many variables to say right now with any certainty.

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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ESPN NEWS LOOP

Andy Katz reporting this morning that sources say the names we have heard all week: IZZ0, WRIGHT, BARNES AND FORD (as a fall back)

by blue oregon on Mar 28, 2009 12:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Way too many people

are saying Travis is too young, too unproven, too abrasive, that we need to get someone who is proven.

Look around and have a real answer before passing on anyone. Travis might not be that much of a stretch when all options are known. After Calipari, who is next? Matta? What has he really done at Ohio State? Barnes? He isn’t coming. Billy D? Already known. Pelphrey? Who did a better job the past few years Travis or John?

by Dini-D-Alum on Mar 28, 2009 12:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't want Ford

and I CERTAINLY don’t want Pelphrey.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on Mar 28, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rid of problem

had to do with T.O. Billy is a Cowboys fan and he told Dick, a Packers fan, that Dallas had gotten rid of our problem.

by catmax on Mar 28, 2009 12:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Tough Situation

Todd & Barnhart had a simple game plan. Make one central point (“bad fit”), stick to it and don’t stray. Cite no specifics; avoid any possible he-said, she-said situations. Be low key and serious. Downplay the buyout issue. Throw no fuel and strike no matches. Make the firing a one-day story.

That’s probably the advice Todd & Barnhart got from both their attorneys and their media relations/public relations staffs. And that’s what they did.

Had Barnhart admitted a mistake, that would have led to more detailed questions about why was it a mistake, didn’t you know Gillispie was not an ambassador before you hired him, etc. The temptation to dis Gillispie would have been there.

News = conflict. If you want to make news, you create conflict; if you want to avoid news, remove or minimize the conflict. Reports are trouble makers, fight promoters, who would love nothing more than getting Gillispie and Barnhart into a pissing match. They don’t like one-day stories; they want running battles.

UK’s leaders avoided that yesterday. And Gillispie avoided it today. In terms of managing the media. It’s not very dramatic or very satisfying to those of us who want more. But not the media focus will be on the next coach, not on the last one. What was his name?

by Fortunatus on Mar 28, 2009 12:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

great point

If Barnhart had admitted " I made a mistake" (which he did) that would’ve just opened up another huge can of worms

by uk1982 on Mar 28, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's certainly true.

However, Gillispie may not go away quietly. UK could have handled the contract issue better. If there is a lawsuit, the focus will change.

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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ohhh yeah

It sure will! Lets drag this whole thing out until the 2009-2010 season starts! (sarcasm)

by uk1982 on Mar 28, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very good summation.

Have you been in either PR or politics. I could not have said that any better.

by wklawdog on Mar 28, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very Well Said

Fortunatus, your PR/politcs background is showing. Best post yet on the press conference.

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro...Hunter S. Thompson

by UK72CatFan on Mar 28, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent Analysis

I thought UK’s press conference went fine, mainly because it short, somber, and without drama. And yes, Mr. Barnhart and Dr. Todd sounded like poiticians, but that should be expected considering that a press conference announcing the dismissal of the Head Men’s Basketball Coach at the University of Kentucky is probably one of the most political press conferences that could occur in our Commonwealth.

I liked Dr. Todd’s quip about all the folks that chastise him for not fully appreciating what UK Basketball means to Kentucky and the Big Blue Nation…

by MackyBrown on Mar 28, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mr Wildcat helping

Just think about it, Mr Wildcat was here for all the coaches. Who knows how “The Northerner” (Pitino) would have eventually fit in, here in KY, if Mr Wildcat had not been there to ease the transition

by a2d2 on Mar 28, 2009 12:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We will never know.

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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Alan Cutler

I am pretty sure everyone has seen the video by now but he has embarassed UK and the fans by chasing BCG into that building. It has been running on ESPN since last night and does not look good. I don’t care that he is a reporter etc. He could have handled it better and just created a spectacle to impress his bosses. I just hate that video.

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by SevenRings on Mar 28, 2009 12:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Smarmy.

Maybe someone in his newsroom will notice, and decide he needs to be freed up for other opportunities.

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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

will class act that cutler

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by JoshuaClaytor on Mar 28, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mr Wildcat helping

that is True, Trux…………lol

by a2d2 on Mar 28, 2009 12:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You've got to believe

I believe that MB and his crew will hire the best coach that they think will lead UK back to it’s elite status
There will be a lot of folks that support their decision.
There will be a lot of folks that will be mad because it is not who they wanted.
We will all support or second guess the new coach.
Most of all we will care about what is happening.
That amount of caring by so many people is what still sets Kentucky Basketball apart from any other program.
Good luck with the search.

by Bluebarn on Mar 28, 2009 12:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Barnhart and Todd vs BCG

first of all, BCG had the easier job… the pressure was off already – MB had to eat crow, not BCG
Second… firing someone is incredibly hard.. so how would people that spend all day on blogs be able to judge his performance?
Third… Todd is the custodian of the institution, not just the Athletics Department. Just look at what happened @ IU when Miles Brand arrived on campus and made it his personal mission to destroy the athletics department!?!? Todd is a delegator and learned to be so while he had CM Newton running the ship… Barnhart is the CEO of the Athletics Dept – but don’t think that Todd will let him get off easily with another bad search.
I think that between the boosters and famous Alumni, UK doesn’t need a search firm or agent to represent them.
I think people are stretching with Capel – he’s a Dukie…

but I think that of the other coaches out there, no one has said NO… BD’s comments were extremely vague and non-committal. He is not a candidate means UK has not approached him in an official capacity…it doesn’t mean he isn’t coming to some understanding.

I don’t think Matta is a good fit… and Miller @ X just signed a long extension. If Wright is thinking NBA then we don’t want him …

Ben Howland’s name was notably absent as well…. If Dixon, the current coach at Pitt is a consideration, why not his predecessor?

Bruce Pearl is too hostile to UK but not stupid.

Past UK players should be off the table… Macy, Ford and Pelphrey aren’t the caliber…

by UKFaninSoFla on Mar 28, 2009 12:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Macy as an assistant

to the next head coach might make some sense if the next coach is not connected with Kentucky. Macy said last night on Dick’s radio program that he would be open to such a move.

by catmax on Mar 28, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not A Good Idea (Here's Why)

Assistants also recruit. Macy has never successfully done that.

He would be a good candidate for DBO spot.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 28, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Grant's decision?

Anyone hear if Grant agreed to go to ‘bama or not? I know most people are writing Donovan off as a possibility but I don’t think his statement was as decisive as people are taking it. But if Grant said yes to Bama then Donovan is likely really off the table

by AthKat on Mar 28, 2009 12:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ESPN NEWS KEEPS THROWING BARNES (TEXAS) NAME IN OUR HAT

Does anyone know more info on Barnes? Is he the right fit? Is he likely to leave an established program etc…

by blue oregon on Mar 28, 2009 12:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I have no idea

about barnes other than Kevin Durant.

What has he done?

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by JoshuaClaytor on Mar 28, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great recruiter

Not such a great game coach in my opinion.

by cthom on Mar 28, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

did we just fire one of those?

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by JoshuaClaytor on Mar 28, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was at Clemson in the late 90's before going to Texas

I know several people here, while happy about the basketball success, thought he basically coached with the intent of moving on to somewhere better without any regard for what shape he left the program in.

I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra

by JLeverenz on Mar 28, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sheesh...he's like 55 yrs old, right?

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Mar 28, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A couple quotes from Jodie Meeks...

regarding this situation…

"He’s a hard working coach and I have a lot of respect for him, but a decision was made, it was out of our hands," junior Jodie Meeks said in an exclusive interview with the Kernel. "… I think the final decision was a good decision and I wish him luck." "Right now I’m not really worried about that, I’m just worried about taking some time off just to clear my mind and figure out what I’m going to do," Meeks said. "I’ll see who the new coach is and talk to him and go from there." "I’m going to agree with whatever the staff decides, and they decided for the change, and I’m all with what they decided," Meeks said. "We’re going to have to move forward."

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by SevenRings on Mar 28, 2009 12:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What is amazing and show much class,

Is how the players have acted and handled this from the very beginning. They never threw coach under the bus and seemed to me like they were behind him until the end. They worked hard but they weren’t told the right things to do on the court. Hats off to the players and my wish is they get someone who will give them every opportunity to win next year. Which is exactly what they deserve. IMO

by UKfan79 on Mar 28, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think

our players, especially Meeks and PPat, are first class people. I’ve been so happy with how they have conducted themselves. I wish I could let them know that in person.

"Learned to love the Cats at a young age, via tape delay."

by ukpastor on Mar 28, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As well as Porter

"Learned to love the Cats at a young age, via tape delay."

by ukpastor on Mar 28, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would prefer

to stay away from Texas coaches right now.

by Grasslands1 on Mar 28, 2009 12:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I like Ford and Pelphry

but I am not sure they are ready for UK. On the other hand though, Tubby’s experience I would think played a role in him getting the UK job over Donovan in 1998. Look how that worked out. Donovan was young and hungry and Tubby was more established. I do feel that at the least the next coach has to have some sort of SEC experience or has been exposed to UK somehow.. They must understand somewhat how it really is at UK. I might be able to be sold on Ford right now.

by Grasslands1 on Mar 28, 2009 1:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Info on Mike Anderson

Know he was the former UAB coach.

by blue oregon on Mar 28, 2009 1:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Tyrant Or Teacher

Interesting headline, no? Actually it’s the headline from a 1990’s article in relation to Bob Knight and his development and tenure as a coach, but I thought it could be relevant to Coach Gillispie. There are already anecdotes narrating episodes of Gillispie’s autocratic behavior and likely there will be more to follow. Here’s one as reported to me by email from a resident of the Commonwealth, UK alum and longtime follower of UK BB, and I have no reason to doubt its authenticity:

UK’s team plane was a couple hours late departing for Tampa and the SEC tournament. The reason for the delay was that Darius Miller had, in Gillispie’s mind, such a poor practice that the coach had decided to leave Miller behind. Only with much input from other members of the team and from coaching assistants did Gillispie change his mind allowing Miller to make the trip and, as we now know, play.

Connecting this with other incidents with which we’re familiar — Stewart’s off and on status being the most prominent — one can gain a little insight into the inner workings of UK BB. Do with it what you will but it seems instructive to me.

by Wild Weasel on Mar 28, 2009 1:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Be careful.

Always ask yourself, “Who’s interests are being served?”

There is always more than one side to every story. Trust in that, and you will be properly skeptical. I’m not saying that the story isn’t true, I am saying that there is always more to it than meets the eye.

Many people have sources that they trust. What you most often don’t know are the sources’ sources’ sources, which could reveal both their motivation for passing the rumor and its intended target or purpose.

Who’s interest is being served by this? Why was this not reported earlier? Never believe a rumor, even from a person you trust.

Good advice for everyone, trust me — I have a reliable source. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bring in Phil Jackson

I think Kobe still has four years eligibility….;-)

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by SevenRings on Mar 28, 2009 1:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Mitch Barhardt

If you watched yesterdays news conference Mitch said a few times the comment about the student athletes experience at uk and how that was priority,i have since read and heard some pretty damning things that went on behind closed doors,not sure what to believe,but it makes sense on some matters and if even one shred of this particular incidents are true then UK is greatly better off without BCG.These posts are on the catspause in house of blue message boards you can read and take it with a grain of salt like everything else,but there are to many things that make sense after the fact.

Fire Mitch,not BCG!!!

by KYCATS77 on Mar 28, 2009 1:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I know where you have gotten this information ...

… and I will give you the same advice I gave Wild Weasel above. Always ask yourself, "Who’s interests are being served?"

There is always more than one side to every story. Trust in that, and you will be properly skeptical. I’m not saying that the story isn’t true, I am saying that there is always more to it than meets the eye.

Many people have sources that they trust. What you most often don’t know are the sources’ sources’ sources, which could reveal both their motivation for passing the rumor and its intended target or purpose.

If you will read The Cats Pause thread to which you have been referring, the site moderators have allowed certain people to pass along unverifiable rumors as fact, and then added comments to certain ambiguous ones to the effect of, “that is true.” They have not themselves described these events, nor explained how they know them. Instead, they set up a scenario to provide this information by allowing others to obtain and pass these rumors, people who hide behind the anonymity of the Internet, and supported them strategically. If these were true as stated, and witnessed, why would they not put their name to the story. Further, why would any athletic administration allow a coach to be employed even one day after performing some of these alleged acts?

The Cats Pause, as is Matt at KSR, is little more than an adjunct to the UK Sports Information department. Do you believe for a moment that Mitch Barnhart is not trying to save his own bacon by creating a situation where the public will be persuaded that the firing was absolutely necessary? Do you believe him incapable of making sure that happens by using others who depend upon sources within the athletic department that he controls? Do you further believe him incapable of having begun this process some time back?

Without the good will of the UK AD, The Cats Pause is just like the LHL. Same with KSR. If you uncritically accept the information there, you are doing yourself an injustice.

I recall to you the movie, “Absence of Malice,” one of my favorite movies of all time. Sally Field, playing the reporter Megan Carter, was asked by her editor if a story were true. Her response was, “No. But it’s accurate.”

Beware “The truth” in situations like this. It often isn’t.

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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Barnhart Distrust

Tru, with your, shall we say, less than favorable for the administration, “First Take” piece and now this insinuation that Barnhart is, in effect, planting stories with the media to further his cause, it causes me to ruminate on just what specific incident(s) planted the seeds of suspicion in your mind.

by Wild Weasel on Mar 28, 2009 5:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I have watched Barnhart a long time.

He is a politician. He got where he is primarily on the strength of working back-channels.

Ask yourself this question — If all these stories are true as stated, where the hell has the administration been for so long? Further, where has the mainstream media been all this time? This is a story worthy of a Pulitzer Prize. Why, during his final press conference, did nobody ask about player mistreatment? Surely that would have been highly relevant.

I tell you why you haven’t seen stories from the MSM — laws against libel.

Tipton wrote something about this last year, regarding Dusty Mills. It was largely dismissed as sour grapes, because it undoubtedly was. There is more to every story than you read in a rumor, and Gillispie isn’t even able to defend himself.

What makes me suspicious? Four words — common sense and logic.

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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you Tru

Very wise words to our members. I just hope they listen.

by kykat51 on Mar 28, 2009 7:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Same Place
Ask yourself this question — If all these stories are true as stated, where the hell has the administration been for so long? Further, where has the mainstream media been all this time?

Could it be they all were at the same place the IU administration and USMA commanders were, the same place that the MSM were during Knight’s glory years in Bloomington.

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