Gillispie's Demise as UK Basketball Coach: My First Take
by Truzenzuzex on Mar 27, 2009 5:51 PM EDT
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As I write this, I am listening to Mitch Barnhart and Lee Todd talk about the firing of Billy Gillispie and have reached the conclusion that this parting not only wasn't amicable, this relationship has been badly dysfunctional for some time. This was an ugly scene worthy of a soap-opera.
Based on the unfortunate nature of some of Barnhart's and Dr. Todd's answers, I am not encouraged that the administration handled this with the kind of professionalism that it required. But I am not going to draw that conclusion just yet. I have not gathered enough facts, at the moment, to make any kind of really rational judgment except that it is perfectly clear to me that this a) does not even have the appearance of a "mutual agreement," and b) is the most unpleasant firing I have seen at a Division I school since Ron Zook from Florida, and this may even surpass that one.
I understand that Gillispie will have something to say at some point about his dismissal, and I will be interested to hear his comments. As I write this, I am having to force myself not to draw conclusions, not to make accusations and not to race off into an angry screed that I will either wind up regretting or having to explain.
Unfortunately, the entire news conference was not covered here in Louisville, so I could not gather up every single fact that was presented there. I am disappointed to hear that the University intends to attempt to keep some of the money they clearly owe Gillispie. I doubt Gillispie will take them to the mat for that, but a big part of me would love to see him do it. A settlement and avoidance of court is likely best for both parties, but if Gillispie doesn't get at least 3 million dollars, in my view he will have been robbed.
It is my considered opinion, subject to later revision and extension when more facts come to light, that Gillispie lived up to the terms of his agreement with the University in every particular, and the University just didn't like the way he did his job. A coaching contract is not a suicide pact, though, so it is not unreasonable for the University administration to decide that the way he was doing his job was not the way they wanted it done, and to terminate that agreement. What I am saying here is that the University has a defensible argument that this action is in the best interests of the University of Kentucky and its basketball program.
With that said, it is perfectly clear that the University of Kentucky in general and Mitch Barnhart in particular did very little to help Gillispie succeed. It looks to me like the AD and many in the athletic department as well as in the local media decided early on, perhaps as early as last December, that they had little use for this bumpkin from Texas, and were perfectly happy to leave him to his own devices and even encourage his demise. Of course, the blame doesn't belong squarely on them -- clearly, Gillispie had difficulty finding commonality with the Bluegrass elites in Lexington, although it is also clear that he was able to establish a bond with most of the common folk of the Commonwealth. The urbane national sports media will laugh uproariously at the notion that people from Kentucky found themselves looking down on someone else as a bumpkin, but in my estimation, that is precisely what happened among the Lexington gentry, academics and media members who have Dr. Todd's and Mitch Barnhart's ear. Gillispie came in as one of us common folk, and has essentially been expelled because he was too much like us common folk. Bitterly ironic, I know, but there it is.
In the end, I suppose this relationship was always doomed to failure. The plain-spoken and honest-to-a-fault don't really belong at the head of legendary college programs -- they will always be seen as too small, too petite bourgeoisie for such an important position. You would think that Barnhart would have recognized that being the suave, genteel, pezzonovante that he is, but apparently he just isn't quite as savvy as most of us have given him credit for.
Barnhart is going to get beaten up over this, and deservedly so. Perhaps even Dr. Lee Todd will not escape significant recriminations. The bush-league way this was handled will fit nicely into what has become the national narrative about Kentucky basketball -- a formerly great program running coaches out of town in a vain hope to recapture faded glory, a program whose brilliance has been bedimmed by moneyed zealots driving bad decisions and unwashed masses of closet racists riotously clamoring for the return of Rick Pitino, who laughs at them up his french-cuffed Armani sleeve in Louisville.
What a great way to start a weekend.
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Where's the petition to have Barnhart fired?
As a Kentucky resident and UK alumni, I am terribly embarrassed.
by eeluk on Mar 27, 2009 5:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I have to agree...
you don’t hire a mule and then expect Secretariat. Billy G is what he is.
by jpbluekat on Mar 27, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If
it is as it appears……..you are spot on.
I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!
by tenken on Mar 27, 2009 6:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow
What a great piece. Thanks for the enlightenment.
by Nuss on Mar 27, 2009 6:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, Nuss.
I appreciate it.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Mar 27, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're welcome
I gave it a plug on my site.
by Nuss on Mar 27, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
common man
I agree growing up in the heart of the bluegrass, if the blue blooded elite turn on you as they are famous for doing you cannot succeed.
by rodoc on Mar 27, 2009 6:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know that this could have been handled any worse
I don’t know how to feel about it. Primarily, I’m conflicted.
I’m embarassed about the way this has all been handled, but relieved to at least have this level of closure. Todd and Barnhart have left Gillispie to wiggle in the wind like a worm on a hook and it hasn’t been pretty.
At least we have handled it and can move on… such as it is.
Strike one… Donovan has said he’s staying put.
Strike two… Calipari says he’s not interested.
Just what we need, a scroll on the bottom of ESPN telling the world that the winningest basketball program of all time can’t get a coach. This is mismanagement of epic proportions bordering on gross negligence.
Anyways, I’m out for the evening. Back in the office on Saturday morning… I’m sure I’ll have interesting threads to read through first thing!
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Mar 27, 2009 6:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
WHY?
If this blog is intended to be positive and supportive of our University and coach, then why do we continue to support Gillispie? He is no longer with us, and at least they waited until the end of the season to get rid of him!
by ukfan6060 on Mar 27, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i should have added...
and you MUST fit in with the Blue Elite in Lexington. Billy G was one of the regular people. Blue Elite don’t want that for their program.
by MKarland on Mar 28, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well ...
… it is my intention to be supportive. It is also my intention to call them as I see them, and if that doesn’t look very supportive on occasion, so be it.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but do you honestly blame coaches for not wanting to come to KY?
After this especially! the message sent was obviously, “if you don’t make it to the final four in your first year, (or win, like Tubby did… though i give credit for that win to Pitino as much as Smith) or the second, your OUT.” It’s setting potential coaches up to fail. There are plenty of programs out there that pay well without all the baggage that comes with being the men’s head basketball coach at KY.
I challenge ANYONE eager to be rid of Gillispie to come in and do a better job than he did. With the recruits he has/had lined up, next year is set to be the year KY gets back in the groove. There’s no way anyone could have come into this situation and won a championship immediatly. it’s rebuillding the program.
course, i’m just a fan. what do I know?
by MKarland on Mar 28, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"What a great way to start a weekend", indeed.
I really have no idea what to say right now. I am pretty far from putting anything together that is even remotely intelligent and worthy of ya’ll and ASoB as my emotions are definitely getting the best of me at the moment.
I can say, though, that the “gift” of looking for a new coach is definitely not what I wanted for my birthday this year and even though it’s only 4:00 pm here, I think it’s time for cocktail hour. I think I’ll have a few for Coach Gillispie too, what the hell. Cheers, people.
by BigSkyCat on Mar 27, 2009 6:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cheers, BSK.
Time for a big, double-strong Martini. Or maybe a Manhattan.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Mar 27, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm in Manhattan
But I’ll be drinking bourbon tonight.
the REAL fake Mr. Bob Dobalina
Formerly known as "senowen"
by bluesquire on Mar 27, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Likewise x2
The King is dead! Long live the King!
by NYCCats on Mar 27, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll join you...
from a considerable distance south. I’m heading for the Woodford now.
by blupride on Mar 27, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
may have to set aside the scotch tonite
and join you with some bourbon. Got a bottle of green label Makers ready.
by hoboat33 on Mar 27, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cheers as well....
going straight to the tequila…
by memphis wildcat on Mar 27, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cheers to you BigSkyCat!
I’m in the same timezone as the good folk in Lexington, but already well into a bottle of Mr. Beam. Hope that some good can come out of this.
by KyDoug on Mar 27, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good points
I feel almost wishy washy on my opinion going back and forth as more info comes out, but I do think that it absolutely could have been handled better. I feel bad for BCG, but I really get a sense that the Admin wanted to avoid a situation like Daugherty’s 3rd year at UNC where the players quit playing for him. There’s no way to know if that would have happened. The players were playing hard, but something just wasn’t clicking. I’m sure there is a lot that we are not aware of that went on. I’m kind of in “wait and see” mode.
by cthom on Mar 27, 2009 6:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Barnhart
The worst part of the news conference was the “total trust and Confidence” that Lee Todd has for Barnhart. How can
such an epic public relations debacle be anything but a mandate for the removal of the AD in addition to the coach
by westcat on Mar 27, 2009 6:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just sayin'
Donovan saying he is “committed to building the Florida program” is NOT the same thing as “I will not be the coach at Kentucky” (of course, if you’re Nick Saban, neither matter).
Calipari’s statement was even more wishy-washy.
We are not in the last act of this drama. . .
The King is dead! Long live the King!
by NYCCats on Mar 27, 2009 6:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
all i will say is
i will bet Cal issued a statement without every being contacted – i do not know that, but i have watched him up close and he loves the attention so he fans the flames…
by memphis wildcat on Mar 27, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, simple negotiating tactics by both coaches. Playing hard to get = higher price
The King is dead! Long live the King!
by NYCCats on Mar 27, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Until I hear that they were offered and turned it down or another coach is hired....
I will hold out hope for both however unlikely that seems at this point.
Slower Traffic Keep Right!
by SevenRings on Mar 27, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i am too...
Donovan learned from Pitino, the master. You never reveal your hand too early.
I need a Sea of Blue because I am surrounded by Tennessee orange!
by sleepytimetea on Mar 27, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are spot on Tru, again, this has been one of the few sites in the last few years with rational and sane discussion; watching the UK message boards explode since the SEC tournament defeat, the call-in show shenanigans, and just listening to people in stores in Lexington obviously have a different agenda than the guys who just made this call…
Todd and Barnhart have made a tough decision and potentially explosive to our fanbase and one of the corporate cash cows to their merchandising. This was a debacle for them and you could see it on Barnhart’s face and the total repetition of talking points.
I’m beginning to think Wilbon’s comments the last few days on PTI – well I’m beginning to think he is right. Really right, not just I’m being the crank curmudgeon, but that this program needs to squirm and suffer.
At this rate we wouldn’t keep Rupp around during the late 60s or hell the entire period after the Texas Western debacle.
by trich on Mar 27, 2009 6:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well ...
… I’m certainly squirming and suffering, so I damn sure hope they are. And if they aren’t, I might just make it my mission to make sure they do.
>:-\
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Mar 27, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on...
If all this was done without an ace up a sleeve, this program is heading for until-recently Alabama football, until-now post-Wooden UCLA hell. We will be viewed as toxic. I only hope they are not using the same Georgia-based consulting firm they have been using, the same one that brought us Gillispie and probably Barnhart, Sampson to IU, and Felton to UGa. Eddie Fogler consulted on Crean to IU, Horn to USCar, and probably today’s hire at TSU here in Nashville, John Cooper. Which track record looks best to you?
by blupride on Mar 27, 2009 6:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think we were toxic the last time
Didn’t see any big names “jumping” at the chance to coach Kentucky basketball last time. Did you? Hence we ended up with BCG. Who I ended up liking and would have happily given at least another year to prove himself.
But Mitch says “Unfortunately there are times when a situation and the people involved do not create the right chemistry or right fit. It is our belief that is where we are and where we find ourselves with Kentucky basketball today.”
And God knows Mitch must be right.
by jwnky on Mar 27, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go ahead
and bring John in……..I know everyone is one Travis’ side right now, but we have all seen one year is not telling
I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!
by tenken on Mar 27, 2009 6:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I will take back EVERYTHING I say
If it comes to light that Gillispie broke NCAA rules or anything else inappropriate.
Todd and Barnhart should be ashamed for the bad press this crap has brought to the university and the state for that matter. I can’t IMAGINE this whole debacle being dealt with any worse. I thought surely, SURELY these two had more sense than this. I would absolutely LOVE for Gillispie to take them to court or whatever he’d have to do to get the 6 million, but like Tru says, probably won’t happen.
They just fired a coach after TWO WINNING SEASONS, put next year’s recruits in jeopardy potentially, and threw the team into FURTHER turmoil. Not to mention, what potential hire is going to want to jump into this mess? I didn’t feel like Gillispie was a high caliber coach, but I was willing to give him a chance. I’m absolutely dumbstruck.
That being said…….we don’t know every single fact or detail about the situation. If anything arises to change my opinion, then I’ll GLADLY admit I was wrong.
by uk1982 on Mar 27, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
disgusting
As tru has noted the implication given during that press conference is that UK does not intend to honor Gillispie’s MOU. I have only read parts of it, so if I have not seen the clause which says “this is a year-to-year contract, terminable at the will of either party” or “the parties do not intend for this memorandum to have binding effect” then I too will retract this. However, from what I can tell, the MOU is a binding agreement, and the buyout clause tends to show, in my mind, that both parties intended it to have effect as such going forward.
I just noticed that someone below me says “[Todd and Barnhart] work for these people who will be paying the big bucks settlement.” If that’s the situation, then both men need to be removed as soon as possible. Lee Todd is not the GM of a professional sports team, he is the president of a university, the goal of which is to promote the search for truth. I find his decision to put finances over that is at best disingenuous, at worst an abdication of his role as the head of an institution of learning. I suppose the year-to-year position isn’t wholly indefensible, but the way Todd and Barnhart kept parroting that line reminded me of Al Davis shouting “FOR CAUSE!” at anyone who would listen during the Lane Kiffin firing so he wouldn’t have to pay the buyout.
I’ll stop before this gets too rant-y. I’m just a little fed up with the way this has all been handled.
by chstrckwl on Mar 28, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know it
Once you get going ranting, you get more pissed off and it’s hard to stop..heh.
I am just sickened by this whole mess.
If Gillispie was all the things Barnhart and his puppet Todd said he was, then he shouldn’t have been hired in the first damn place!
by uk1982 on Mar 28, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that Barnhart and Todd
didn’t handle this like we would have liked,but they work for these people who will be paying the big bucks settlement.
by oldcat70 on Mar 27, 2009 6:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That's a big problem, if true
The King is dead! Long live the King!
by NYCCats on Mar 27, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How long for the first book to come out?
by hoboat33 on Mar 27, 2009 6:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hobo....
do you know that currently you are tied for first in the ASOB pool?
However it looks like things could change quickly.
Slower Traffic Keep Right!
by SevenRings on Mar 27, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not for long. . .
Signed,
#2
The King is dead! Long live the King!
by NYCCats on Mar 27, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Equate my standing in the bracket with
BCG’s standing as our coach yesterday. Sad day for both of us. ;-)
by hoboat33 on Mar 27, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t you think Billy would be in a lot better shape if only he had found time to sign that contract? And why didn’t he. Two years was plenty of time. And if he doesn’t get the full 6million, then it looks to me like that’s the reason why.
by wildcatlee on Mar 27, 2009 6:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He should have brought a signed copy to the meeting this afternoon.
The King is dead! Long live the King!
by NYCCats on Mar 27, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no idea the truth of it...
but i read somewhere that that contract was full of strange personal clauses dealing with subjects like if he’s convicted of DUI he loses a portion of his salary. Can anyone confirm this? If it’s true, I wouldn’t have signed either.
I need a Sea of Blue because I am surrounded by Tennessee orange!
by sleepytimetea on Mar 27, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a nightmare.
By the way who wrote Barnhart’s speech?
Unfortunately there are times when a situation and the people involved do not create the right chemistry or right fit. It is our belief that is where we are and where we find ourselves with Kentucky basketball today.
huh?
by Thomas Hunt Morgan on Mar 27, 2009 6:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
considering the talk that had been going around for WEEKS, I think I would have gotten the thing signed.
by wildcatlee on Mar 27, 2009 6:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Morons on 1300 being broadcast on ESPN. . .
Unbelievable.
The King is dead! Long live the King!
by NYCCats on Mar 27, 2009 6:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Place the blame where it belongs
On Gillispie. He got himself fired. You don’t like the decision, but it’s not yours to make. Barnhart screwed up by hiring Gillispie, not by fring him. He’s not a good fit and never would have been.
by BravoBigBlue on Mar 27, 2009 6:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
oh MY GOD!!
I just read the news and looked online. Mr Todd and Mr Barnhart are complete and total clown shoes. I think FRED is a better term though. I am embarrased, by the afore mentioned, as well as some of my fellow UK fans. Some of the ignorant “crap” I have read (not on here) online is amazing. Let’s see just how ugly this baby is going to get.
I wish Coach Gillispie all the luck in the world. I am in a bad mood now, and I have to finish a 12 hour shift. Maybe I will go through an entire ticket book today…
by shepslaw on Mar 27, 2009 6:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes . . .
Two seasons were enough to know that it wasn’t going to work. Cut your losses and move on. We may never hear what the players think, but it was interesting to read Mr. Meeks’ comments on the Herald-Leader site. He certainly is glad Gillispie is gone and said he had nobody to blame but himself.
by BravoBigBlue on Mar 27, 2009 6:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Barnhart made a bad call on BG.
AD’s are right on there selection some times and wrong on others. Barnhart was right with Brooks when we said he wasn’t and he was wrong with BG when we said he got it right.
A lot of you are irrational in your thinking. I do not believe you fire Barnhart for not always being right.
by Grasslands1 on Mar 27, 2009 6:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I have not called for Barnhart to be fired.
Not yet. I don’t have enough facts to do so.
You are right that he is entitled to a mistake, even a big mistake. But he will take heat for his lousy handling of it, and he should.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Mar 27, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As far as I'm concerned
This is Barnhart’s second huge mistake. The first was the “support / non-support” statement on Tubby.
by The Lexpatriate on Mar 27, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two mistakes.
- Hiring of Gliispie.
- Mishandling the entire situation when letting him go.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Mar 27, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So that would be
three total.
by The Lexpatriate on Mar 27, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barnhart got lucky with Brooks
I think Billy G is a good ball coach and great recruiter, just not right for UK. He came to UK for the $$ and Barnhart wanted a real b-ball coach. Once BCG was in town it became obvious that neither one of them thought it through.
As far as Brooks, that’s not even who Barnhart wanted. He went to Brooks for advice on who to go after and Brooks said “how about me?” I’m glad that’s working out for the pointy-ball guys and all, just don’t give Barnhart more credit than he deserves. If he really cared about the kids or the team as he says he’d be getting those 70 year old women in their season ticket seats away from the court and letting the students and real fans cheer on their team.
by DTharp on Mar 27, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
after taking a deep breath
and trying to let the emotion subside…..
i ask – could it have been handled better – i know yes, is the easy,popular answer. but what if they had let bcg hang in the wind until the NC game? that would have been much worse.
clearly, mitch lee decided to move – 2 days after the end of the season – which is more than fair (gosh i hate defending them). perhaps they tried to make the “easy” hire in billy d, but he is either not interested or negotiating but now they move forward with a reasonable search.
at this point, i think you have to let the tourney run its course and – hopefully – mitch has learned not to rush the decision (unless of course it was billy D)
i do not necessarily like the cutting your losses argument – but it has merit.
ultimately, this hire will be the most important since pitino
i guess hope springs eternal…..
by memphis wildcat on Mar 27, 2009 6:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It will be alright.
If BD doesn’t take the job, it is then I will be nervous. My source left me a voice mail at 5:03 saying BD and UK were in negotiations at that time. Notice how Vitale if going soft on UK right now. He knows right now what is going on and he loves BD. The whole aditude about UK will change by Monday.
by Grasslands1 on Mar 27, 2009 6:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
All I Know
is that right now, it is a hard time to be a Kentucky basketball fan. I feel. . .empty.
by Bluegilla on Mar 27, 2009 6:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I just went to the store to pick up a few things and AM 590 (I think his name is Larry)
said that Katz reported that Calipari may be interested in the job. I truly don’t want to rumor monger but that is what they said. Did anyone else hear this? Did they misquote anything?
Once again, I am just repeating what they said. this was about 10 minutes ago.
Slower Traffic Keep Right!
by SevenRings on Mar 27, 2009 6:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
God, I hope not.
I don’t want to have to take a bath after every UK game just to feel clean again.
by jbt36 on Mar 27, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Cal is to high on using one and done players and doesnt seem to place graduation rates as a very high priority.
by wldcatsfreak on Mar 27, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Don't Know
if Gillispie is the best “fit” for the rapidly declining UK basketball program but I would have loved to see him stop, turn on that idiot chasing him down the halls of Memorial, and plant one right on that beak he wears over his ’stash.
by Blujean on Mar 27, 2009 6:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
News from Oklahoma
The news in Oklahoma is that Billy was treated unfairly and was never given a chance. They also say that the admisistration never gave him any backing. The talking heads down here believe the net coach will be Ford or Donovan. It has been on every sports program since noon.
by oldkentucky on Mar 27, 2009 6:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Memphis, some people hav
professions that they work in a fish bowl. Every eye is on them and when they don’t let the masses in on what is going on everybody thinks it is being handled wrong.
by Grasslands1 on Mar 27, 2009 6:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great
article, Tru. I have contended all season a disarray has occurred in Lexington. With this latest decision it is apparent the AD is clueless and has created an environment that even Rupp would suffer. I do believe however that Billy G. has made some stupid decisions also. He should have been given one more year…..
by ukfan4sure on Mar 27, 2009 7:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I do not believe this
to be the case.
by Grasslands1 on Mar 27, 2009 7:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The unknown scares everybody.
I personally am very excited right now. I have been told some great things if BD takes the job.
by Grasslands1 on Mar 27, 2009 7:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
great things for who..?
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Mar 27, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grasslands
Billy D is on record as not interested!
by blue oregon on Mar 27, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grasslands
Billy D is on record as not interested!
by blue oregon on Mar 27, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grant taking the Bama job
backs that up….
‘When you build a house and you make it hurricane-proof by putting certain kinds of windows in it, and use cement instead of stick construction and all that kind of stuff, you’re getting prepared for what? A hurricane that may or may never every come." ’We’re going to have 12 hurricanes next year, we know they’re coming.’
- Coach Nick Saban
by bammer on Mar 27, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sarcasm Is A Motivation Killer
As a school principal it was clear to me that classroom teachers who used a steady diet of sarcasm with students had a difficult time motivating them. Research confirms this as fact. I also found that sarcastic teachers tended to be chronic and incurable. From various reports, Billy was consistently sarcastic with his players and beat them down.
by catmax on Mar 27, 2009 7:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
big mess
Todd will never hire Calipari..his graduation rate is way to small.I think Billy D has 4 children…some teens…who in their right mind woudl want to move them..now however…Billy G should have never said thatHe wasn’t an ambassador for the program…that was like a direct hit to Barnhart,,,,…Still they should have given him more time…..and they simply have not acted like gentlemen…Barnhart hardly looked at the camera..Hopefully BCG will find another quickly ……Maybe Texas Tech…..
by fanforlife on Mar 27, 2009 7:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope he has an offer before UK replaces him, and I say that as a UK fan. He's been
treated with a complete lack of respect, and this from a bunch from whom I expected to have more class about themselves.
by bluegrassgal on Mar 27, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree gal...
I’m just sorry it won’t be Alabama.
by jbt36 on Mar 27, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
UK COULD NOT
afford to give him another year. Have you ever thought that if he was not only hated by EVERYBODY in the AD department but by the players also. Good grief, you people are not smarter that people at UK about what is good in the long run for OUR BELOVED PROGRAM.
by Grasslands1 on Mar 27, 2009 7:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I will
concede I am not smarter than those guys. However, you and I may not live long enough to see how this fiasco helps our program…reminds me of the stock market recovery….
by ukfan4sure on Mar 27, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have faced poison in
by career and trust me you give them only so many chances to correct there attitude. UK gave BG plenty of chances to change his ways. He didn’t and he is gone like he needed to be. That is what is important for UK basketball.
by Grasslands1 on Mar 27, 2009 7:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think ...
… you are very much mistaken.
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 27, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Louisville v Arizona about to tip off
I am torn…I don’t like UofL but I drew them in a pool that pays very well. Money talks so i have to go with the cards…
Slower Traffic Keep Right!
by SevenRings on Mar 27, 2009 7:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ieeeieeieieiieieiieieiieieieieie
GO ’ZONA
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Mar 27, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we are talking 3-0's in the payout...hard to overlook...;-)
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by SevenRings on Mar 27, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vince, the recruit
that BD will bring with him if he comes.
by Grasslands1 on Mar 27, 2009 7:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thanx Grass
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Mar 27, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The NCAA, SEC, and UK need
UK basketball to be stong. That was very evident at the SEC tournament.
by Grasslands1 on Mar 27, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are you talking about?
Donovan bringing “recruit”?
by jbt36 on Mar 27, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Long run
Espn just stated taht they felt that next years team will be a sweet 16 team. In the long run if he’d left after that we might have gotten a better coach…..Many are simply not interested in us……..now…..This will be tough… Barnhart and Todd talk about football like we are going to the Rose Bowl…THere are many many more bowls today and many more mediocre programs going to these bowls. Yes they improved football some but not to Bear Bryant Days…What will they do with the basketball program
by fanforlife on Mar 27, 2009 7:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The only reason the football team was mentioned
was to make the point that they were not being impatient on wins and losses or listeing to all the fans that were calling for Brooks’ head.
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by SevenRings on Mar 27, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I loved the way Vitale
threw out names to cover for BD. I donate money to my source. Tjhat must be why he was so open to me about what he knows. I guess if this all works out the way I think it will I will have to up these perfectly legal donations.
by Grasslands1 on Mar 27, 2009 7:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Grasslands
Give ASoB credible info that can be found in writing or read of how this will work out. ESPN NEWS has
reported over and over again Billy D is not interested in Kentucky job.
by blue oregon on Mar 27, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My source is solid
This isn’t know friend of sister’s husbands and stuff.
by Grasslands1 on Mar 27, 2009 7:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Enough!
Stop with the rumors. I don’t give a shit if it’s Donovan himself.
Please.
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 27, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The money
I disagree with you Tru that the school owes Billy G the entire six million. According to the MOU all the terms outlined in the MOU were contingent upon a signed formal contract. Read that way UK owes him nothing. I dont like how the admin has handled the matter but I do agree that his failure to sign a formal contract and the language of the MOU leave the school oweing him NADA.
DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!
by davw83 on Mar 27, 2009 7:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That's the way I read it
The MOU requires both parties to sign a contract. Then it says such a contract would include the severance pay, among other things. Thus, no signed contract, no payout. UK has a strong argument. I’m not sure Gillispie would want to take his case to a jury in Lexington.
Regardless, it’s a sad day for UK.
by Fortunatus on Mar 28, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would be shocked if there is any other info
from UK until Momday if they work out a contract with anybody. The NCAA doesn’t want anything taking away from the tournament.
by Grasslands1 on Mar 27, 2009 7:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think KY would rather have it settled BEFORE monday
Why have this drag out past the weekend and get that much more attention focused on our little fiasco?
by hoboat33 on Mar 27, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Anthony Grant does not except
Alabama job, which word is he is to let them know today or tonight, I believe that will be the sign of BD coming to UK.
by Grasslands1 on Mar 27, 2009 7:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So now that he's taken it...
What’s that say for your little “everyone wins” scenario?
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Mar 28, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I told
Tru that I would tell him who my source is if he didn’t reveal it until Monday. My source is very, very credible here in Florida. I also said I would reveal his name not later than Monday night. I might not exactly be able to tell the name but I will figure something out. Monday is big because the NCAA doesn’t want to over shadow the tournament. He will bring his top recruit if BD comes. That recruit, I am being told is going with BD if he goes anywhere.
by Grasslands1 on Mar 27, 2009 7:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't.
Please. I don’t care.
Stop with the source. It’s disturbing to the blog, and it is annoying the hell out of me.
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 27, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would be surprised...
at any announcement for a few days. A new coach needs to talks to his AD and players to give them the respect of hearing it from him and not from the media.
by jpbluekat on Mar 27, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tru, I think We Can
draw the conclusion that this what not handled with professionalism. It may have been necessary to fire the coach but not like this! This is how it should have gone. We are here to announce the ****** ********* will be the new coach at UK and that Gillispie will be replaced.
Sure we do not know all the facts which is why I am willing to give Barnhart the benefit of the doubt and say UK needed a new coach but this is one more turnover in a turnover prone season. Fumble, or whatever sports analogy. This was certainly not text book managing.
I love the write up though Tru. And all you guys I appreciate the level heads.
Based on the unfortunate nature of some of Barnhart’s and Dr. Todd’s answers, I am not encouraged that the administration handled this with the kind of professionalism that it required. But I am not going to draw that conclusion just yet
by LyricSmith on Mar 27, 2009 7:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There has been an issue
with BG for awhile. Has anybody ever thought it was BG telling UK to screw off when he said his job was recruiting and winning. Because he knew everything about what the school us upset about when he made that stupid comment.
by Grasslands1 on Mar 27, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dear Lord.
Give the Deepthroat routine a rest.
by jbt36 on Mar 27, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we are in the middle of the
sweet 16/elite 8 and narrowing it down to the final 4. with most coaches that uk would target, how else could it have been handled?
afraid it is the nature of the beast…..
by memphis wildcat on Mar 27, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait to Fire BCG
After you hire a new coach at the very least.
by LyricSmith on Mar 27, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about Mark Few
I am surprised that he isn’t mentioned for any coaching job. Is it just common knowledge that he won’t leave Gonzaga?
I don’t think Arizona is going to be able to hang with Louisville much longer. Cardinal lead will be double-digits by the half.
by GoLightning on Mar 27, 2009 7:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mark Few
Is from the PNW. He was born in Oregon. He went to school at Oregon. He has been at Gonzaga 10 seasons. He has turned down Indiana, USC, and countless others. In the extremely unlikely event that he goes anywhere, it will be home to Oregon or Oregon State. Period. Off the table.
by The Lexpatriate on Mar 27, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Regional coach
at a regional program. Same with Lorenzo Romar, blah, blah, blah. Only a rockstar will come close to fixing this problem. And there ain’t too many of them around these days.
by jbt36 on Mar 27, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blue Oregon,
If somebody on here lives by me, they can come and listen to the voicemail I recieved at 5:03.
by Grasslands1 on Mar 27, 2009 7:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If I were there
He would be on my short-list. I’m just shocked I never hear his name mentioned for any job opening. Why wouldn’t Miss St. give him a call? That’s why I asked if there is info that there is no way he ever leaves Gonzaga about which I have no knowledge.
by GoLightning on Mar 27, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grasslands1
I will give you credit. You have stuck your neck out on this topic over and over with strong convictions whether it turns out to be true or not.
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by SevenRings on Mar 27, 2009 7:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
At least we still got a powerfull name in basketball
Just like two years ago, all the significant coaching changes go on hold until Ky gets settled. Small consolation but any consolation is better than none.
by hoboat33 on Mar 27, 2009 7:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yes
i find it interesing that Cal had to make an annoucement that he is staying at memphis – if bd does get the job, he will look ridiculous….
by memphis wildcat on Mar 27, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the boy who cried wolf.
the respect that the name KENTUCKY used to get is gone, thanks to the idiots running the circus now. You can be sure that a few more episodes like this and there will be no more cache’ associated with the UK job.
by thehoopnazi on Mar 28, 2009 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You may be right
Since Alabama didn’t wait, it looks like other programs figure Ky’s search for a head coach won’t have significant impact on their search or potential coach’s decision. Going by past performance of two years ago, it’s sad but true.
by hoboat33 on Mar 28, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's impossible to dress up a train wreck
Count me among those who greet this decision with relief. And, those of you who are inclined to pile on re: Todd and Barnhart, at least give them credit for admitting a colossal mistake, knowing the national derision that would follow.
Coaching at UK requires a balance of PR skills, ego, self-control, and toughness. You can’t be a (seemingly) nice person with great coaching ability and keep the hangers-on at bay (see Sutton, Eddie); nor can a coach’s palpable love for the program forever immunize him from the consequences of modest coaching ability and thin skin (see Hall, Joe B.). Perhaps even more than Rupp, Rick Pitino will stand for some time as the model for what UK basketball needs to be successful in the modern era.
So, let the Gillispie train wreck provide a cautionary tale for those who pine for Calipari or even Donovan. His track record showed Gillispie could coach, but he brought the wrong personality traits to Lexington – and those characteristics clearly impacted the team’s performance on the court.
Two years ago, Barnhart was forced to wait several weeks on Donovan, only to get a surprisingly quick rejection – he then clearly jumped at a coach he could sell as an up-and-coming winner. Let’s hope this time, instead of rushing to show he has a “plan,” he settles on a realistic candidate he can truly vet as right for the job and then takes the necessary time to make the hire happen. As much national ridicule as Alabama received between the Shula firing and Saban hire, they did what it took to get the program back on track after years of disastrous decisions.
by blueskies89 on Mar 27, 2009 7:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Barnhart better get this one really right
His job will be next if he messes this one up.
by jwnky on Mar 27, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alabama got lucky with a former college who absolutely flamed out of the big leagues and we do not seem to have these options currently.
by trich on Mar 27, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Folks...
It is easy to sit here and whine and complain about the way the past few weeks have been handled. However, I haven’t heard one plausible “I would have done it this way,” yet. There was no possible way for this to end pleasantly. I didn’t want Billy to be fired today, but what was to be expected if he was going to be. As a former UK athlete during Barnhart’s tenure, I can tell you I have a lot of respect for the man. He has set out to do two things 1) Win Championships 2) Deliver the student athlete the best possible experience (as he stated in the press conference today). If it doesn’t fit in his plan, he will pull the plug without second thought. Basketball is not the only sport in this world, although as Kentucky fans we don’t know much else. He has worked wonders among the non-revenue sports and brought a great deal of success, class, and hard work to our beloved university. Now, not only do we all look like the best state full of assistant coaches, we are also the best athletic directors in the country. Someone please tell me how you would have handled this situation if you were in his shoes. Take the option to fire or not out of the equation (as they obviously did not think it was an option) and tell me the best way to do it. Until I hear a better version, I will stand behind our AD, Pres., and the entire program. We create so much of the drama that swirls around this university and this program that it can become laughable. Can I just hear someone say “Let’s Go Cats, we’ll get through this!” with a positive attitude? People get fired everyday and I don’t think anyone has ever looked back and said “Wow, that really went well!” Geez. Let’s grow up.
by ukcat2169 on Mar 27, 2009 7:35 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
well said....
complaints without offering solutions are sometimes empty air.
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by SevenRings on Mar 27, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go Batcats! Get some basketball paybacks from USC
Many fans do care about other sports, though it is harder when one doesn’t live in the Lexington area.
by GoLightning on Mar 27, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Nobody should be calling for Barnhart’s head over this one mistake.
However, I do think he could have handled it better with the media and fans for sure. And wasn’t that the jist of why they said BCG didn’t work? Inability to fit in?
Mitch gets this next chance to do a good job of helping to select the next coach of Kentucky basketball. But if he’s wrong again, the REAL calls for his head are going to be there not just from fans but from boosters.
He HAS to this next coaching search and get it right. I don’t think he can weather another one of these situations.
by jwnky on Mar 27, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He could have started...
by actually supporting his hire after the initial press conference. At some point, somebody could have done some blocking for Coach Gillispie, especially with the local media. For God’s sake, Tipton even threw that crap about the Lexington Rotary Club into his gleeful goodbye to the coach today.
Several people took shots at a post I made yesterday about the sense of entitlement surrounding this program. This decision and the reasons given for it are prime examples of that. It couldn’t have been more condescending if Lee Todd had accused Gillispie of not knowing the difference between a salad fork and a dinner fork.
This program doesn’t belong to Lexington’s fabled elite; it is simply located in Lexington.
by jbt36 on Mar 27, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is he supposed to do...
come out to the media and say “guys p p p p please leave Billy alone…he is the best coach ever.”? Are you kidding me? The Lexington writers are a bunch of vultures and we all know that. It’s not Mitch’s job to rebut their terrible columns.
by ukcat2169 on Mar 27, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to help make decisions
just like Mr. Todd and Barnhart, and I’ll tell you it sucks. People want to know everything and our policy is always and I mean always, we cannot comment on this issue and we have know plans too.
by Grasslands1 on Mar 27, 2009 7:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no to John Cal
Uk does not need another BG, or the players he would recruit. We need a squeaky clean coach with a UK perspective on court and off court. IMO Travis Ford, Mark Phew, maybe even a Rick Stansbury, at least he takes the players he can recruit and makes them into a basketball team.
by ukjoe on Mar 27, 2009 7:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Travis Ford?
I was in college at Ford’s first coaching job at Campbellsville. For you to say he would be a Squeaky clean hire makes me laugh. You can rumour about BCG’soff the court “issues” all you want, but Ford isn’t to far behind on those. I saw it first hand. He would not be a squeaky clean hire.
by Bige541 on Mar 27, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The very idea of Ford or Pelphrey drives me nuts. Why - simply because they are UK Alums?
These guys are too new and J.P. sure hasn’t shown anything at Arkansas. I don’t know who the right guy would be, and I’m quite sure that the AD isn’t going to call me up to ask my opinion, but for the love of heaven, don’t drag TF or JP in there. That’s just sitting them up to fail.
by bluegrassgal on Mar 27, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand why
everyone is so determined that we need a coach by next week. Let’s take our time, get it right and get everything rolling again.
"Learned to love the Cats at a young age, via tape delay."
by ukpastor on Mar 27, 2009 7:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Recruits at Stake
The cubbard is kinda bare and we can ill-afford to lose recruits in masses. We are in a hurry because apparrently Barnhart and Todd were in a hurry to let Gillispie go. Why the hurry on that?
by LyricSmith on Mar 27, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Long Term > Short Term
Finding the right fit is more important than next year’s, or next couple of years’ recruits, at least in my mind.
by GoLightning on Mar 27, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think so
I think we just need a PG and a decent center. Let’s take our time. :)
"Learned to love the Cats at a young age, via tape delay."
by ukpastor on Mar 27, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
most recruits have signed
standard practice is to not let them out of LOI until they have met new coach.
may not sound right, but they are stuck for now
by memphis wildcat on Mar 27, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Signed Yes, Dressed No
The point is not when you let a recruit out of his LOI but rather when he decides in his mind to go to another school. I think some probably have already decided. I simply do not see that Long term goals and short term goals had to be at odds here either. In fact, I would say they are actually the same. Get and keep good players dressed in UK blue.
While one can argue wether firing Gillispie was a good or bad move overall, I saw the news conference and heard no reason to fire BCG that was urgent. I think he just p***** them off.
by LyricSmith on Mar 27, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Likely gone anyway.
Of course Barnhart could always give the program another black eye and refuse to let them out of their LOI.
by jbt36 on Mar 27, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
UK cannot legally
say anything bad about BG. He could sue them.That is what has made it hard to hire anybody today.
by Grasslands1 on Mar 27, 2009 7:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
UK can say "bad" things about him if they're true. No legal liability for truth.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on Mar 28, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
Truth is an absolute defense against libel or slander.
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll miss Billy Clyde
telling ESPN reporters that their questions are dumb. Made for great TV.
Cannons... fire them.
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by Craig T on Mar 27, 2009 7:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lousiville is dunking all over Arizona
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by SevenRings on Mar 27, 2009 7:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
CBS already switched to the other game here
by GoLightning on Mar 27, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
UofL 41-21....they look impressive
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by SevenRings on Mar 27, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You call for references and get
nothing but bull crap flying out of somebodies mouth.
by Grasslands1 on Mar 27, 2009 7:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I have a quote that is perfect for this occassion,
President Teddy Roosevelt in a speech he delivered in Paris, France in April, 1910. (An excerpt from the speech):
"It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
by Grasslands1 on Mar 27, 2009 7:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Odd...
I posted this very quote on another site just the other day. At that time I was referring to Patrick Patterson.
And I also added this from the same speech -
“There is little use for the being whose tepid soul knows nothing of great and generous emotion, of the high pride, the stern belief, the lofty enthusiasm, of the men who quell the storm and ride the thunder. Well for these men if they succeed; well also, though not so well, if they fail, given only that they have nobly ventured, and have put forth all their heart and strength. It is war-worn Hotspur, spent with hard fighting, he of the many errors and valiant end, over whose memory we love to linger, not over the memory of the young lord who "but for the vile guns would have been a valiant soldier.”
by jbt36 on Mar 27, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Somebody sent me that
part only. It had perfect timing and meaning for me for I was in a similar sitution as UK is in right now. All I know it was hell while going thru it but has worked out very well so far.
by Grasslands1 on Mar 27, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'VE GOT A QUOTE TOO.
Thehoopnazi to grasslands1:
only those men who can’t think for themselves quote other men.
BG was the one fighting the good fight, only to be hamstrung by lesser men.
by thehoopnazi on Mar 28, 2009 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not a good situation for UK
So now we are put in a situation where either our fans are too crazy and unrelenting to give a coach time to build his team with his players and system.
OR
We have an AD and President that are hard to deal with and make too big of demands on coaches that lead them to leave because they want to control the assistant coaches, scholarships, and other things that the HC should be in charge of.
Excuse me while I go hurl.
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by cobbycobb on Mar 27, 2009 7:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not ever sure about my spelling.
My wife is calling me for dinner.
by Grasslands1 on Mar 27, 2009 7:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wish we had Jonny Flynn this year.
We would likely not be having this situation. At least until after we won the NC…
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by hoopchi on Mar 27, 2009 7:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No kidding
I’ve never liked Syracuse, but he is fun to watch.
by GoLightning on Mar 27, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you getting their game
how is he doing against OKlahoma? I am getting the Ville game.
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by SevenRings on Mar 27, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doing as he wishes right now.
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by hoopchi on Mar 27, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's heating up
OK has lead the whole way, but Syracuse has cut it to 1 at the under 8 TO, OK’s ball.
by GoLightning on Mar 27, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
UofL +21 at half
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by SevenRings on Mar 27, 2009 7:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Zona in the weeds and probably can't get out, eh?
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by hoopchi on Mar 27, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OMG UofL is dunking, nailing 3's, getting steals....
scoring TD’s, hitting homeruns….you get the picture
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by SevenRings on Mar 27, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dang....i forgot that...;-)
they are about to apply a submission though
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by SevenRings on Mar 27, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sleeper? abdominal stretch? figure-four leglock??
by teambeam on Mar 27, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
rear naked choke....resulting in sleepytime
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by SevenRings on Mar 27, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure makes my prediction of a double-digit lead
look silly.
by GoLightning on Mar 27, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zona was not even close to being the best team in Pac 10
some felt they should not be in the NCAA
by blue oregon on Mar 27, 2009 8:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Grant to Bama
Not good news for BD to UK.
by Thomas Hunt Morgan on Mar 27, 2009 8:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
When
Is JEff Goodman right?
JXClaytor on the 360
by JoshuaClaytor on Mar 27, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i disagree that there is a classist element to gillispie's firing, and i think he has messed up
and i am not a blue-blood; but i definitely agree that whatever the reasons, the school handled the situation poorly. More importantly, i assumed that if they fired gillispie they would have a coach who wanted the position ready first. Gillispie is much, much better than nobody, especially with the talent coming in next year. If we don’t hear about a new coach by this time next week, MB should be fired, no question…you dont fire a adequate coach with personality problems if there is nobody there to take his place.
that being said, while i disagree, as usual the article was extremely well reasoned and written, tru; have you considered trying to get a msm sports writting job? honestly this is better written than most of the herald-ledger stuff.
by idigl7220 on Mar 27, 2009 8:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And take a pay cut?
Are you crazy? :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 27, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not to sound sketch
but i have been drinking to ignore all the drama abound today, and i’m not sure what you’re referring to
by idigl7220 on Mar 27, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To your question ...
,,, about trying to get an msm writing job. :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i just hope orton stays
guess that’s a long shot though. You all think it’s a good sign meek’s dad wasn’t thrilled with gillispie?
by idigl7220 on Mar 27, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why assume a new coach was in place?
Wasn’t there an uproar when other schools have tried to contact a coach with theirs still in place? Auburn contacting Petrino comes to mind. The question on letting Gillispie go should have been based solely upon Gillispie and whether or not the University wanted him to stay as coach. Once that decision was made, then a search for a new coach can begin.
by GoLightning on Mar 27, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you make a good point..
guess i was really hoping that we would not have to go through this search. i do beleive if billy d was coming, that was the only way it would happen fast….but now, here we go.
since we are into it, we might as well not rush it – i know we do not need to take too long, but it probably needs to extend past the end of the season
by memphis wildcat on Mar 27, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Minimize overall national media damage (dysfunctional program), keep current players...
and damage to potential incoming/future recruits
by blue oregon on Mar 27, 2009 8:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Grant accepts Alabama job
http://blog.al.com/rapsheet/2009/03/former_vcu_coach_anthony_grant.html
I know you were looking for clues to what Donovan may do- thought you’d like to know.
by yellowhammer on Mar 27, 2009 8:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
Included in the article, is a comment about Billy D not being interested in Kentucky, freeing Grant’s way to accept Bama job.
Seeing is believing!
by blue oregon on Mar 27, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well that says it all.
Sorry Tru if I upset anybody. I figured people would appreciate somebody that had some inside from Florida.
by Grasslands1 on Mar 27, 2009 8:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Inside information ...
… that cannot be confirmed. It’s divisive, and just leads to more rumors.
I appreciate the sentiment, I really do. But I believe it’s just counterproductive.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone a premium member at TCP?
?
GBB!!!
by OGETARTS on Mar 27, 2009 8:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think I'm ready to ask the Peruvians to let me back into jail.
(Note: If you don’t understand the reference, it’s from last night)
by hoboat33 on Mar 27, 2009 8:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Grassland
fire your source then again weirder things have happen
by briangwildcatfan on Mar 27, 2009 8:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is true..
We (Bama) also had an agreement in principle with Rich Rodriguez, so until I see Grant being introduced at a press conference on campus, everything’s WIDE OPEN.
by yellowhammer on Mar 27, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bet you're glad that didn't work out
by GoLightning on Mar 27, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely!
KY will end up getting a better fit and all this will be old news. Been there, done that.
by yellowhammer on Mar 27, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
couldn't be happier....
‘When you build a house and you make it hurricane-proof by putting certain kinds of windows in it, and use cement instead of stick construction and all that kind of stuff, you’re getting prepared for what? A hurricane that may or may never every come." ’We’re going to have 12 hurricanes next year, we know they’re coming.’
- Coach Nick Saban
by bammer on Mar 27, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is the Arizona..
coach available? By the way who is he ?
by 59Bennett on Mar 27, 2009 8:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He will be very available in about 7 minutes.
Xbox Live Gamertag: hoopchi
by hoopchi on Mar 27, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who is on your short list forty?
"You are what you are and you ain't what you ain't"
by iam4ukintn on Mar 27, 2009 8:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gotta Be Top 5 Coach
Calipari.
Gonna cost $3-4 million (per).
But he’s 1-2-3 on my list.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 27, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got a couple of extra Dollars
I’ll pitch in :)
by LyricSmith on Mar 27, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sources
At the worldwide leader say he is interested.
"You are what you are and you ain't what you ain't"
by iam4ukintn on Mar 27, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Katz said that....i had to rewind it to make sure
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by SevenRings on Mar 27, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am glad you said that because....
it seems to me a few months ago you were not high on him because of reputation.
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by SevenRings on Mar 27, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't Remember Saying "I" Thought So
Just that some at UKAA did.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 27, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
gotcha....lets hope they do their due diligence in that respect
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by SevenRings on Mar 27, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are Lies, Damn Lies,
Statistics, then there are coaches talking about where they are and are not going. :-)
Perhaps we need to check with WHAS?
by LyricSmith on Mar 27, 2009 8:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fire my source?
He never said BD was taking the job. All he has done is keep me informed on what was going on with Billy Donovan today. I suggest you read what I have said today briangwildcatfan .
by Grasslands1 on Mar 27, 2009 8:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Grassland
i have and remember tru telling you to stop
by briangwildcatfan on Mar 27, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He told me to stop
talking about a certain subject.
by Grasslands1 on Mar 28, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Syracuse and Arizona both getting pounded
I admit, that makes me smile, even today.
I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra
by JLeverenz on Mar 27, 2009 8:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just remember.
We were a Sosa 26 footer from this maybe being a very different season. I don’t think any of us at that moment thought we would be where we are. My gosh how things have gone sour.
Xbox Live Gamertag: hoopchi
by hoopchi on Mar 27, 2009 8:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This guy only talks to BD
darn near everyday it is legal. He has had more than one player win a NCAA championship and has more guys going D I basketball. He has only won multiple State Basketball Tournaments here. No, I will not fire him.
by Grasslands1 on Mar 27, 2009 8:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
For what it's worth these are the coaches that I am interested in...and they all sound familiar
This is irregardless if it is possible or not…..just my wish list
Calipari – please please please
Donovan
Wright
Izzo
Dixon
outside of that throw them all in a hat.
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by SevenRings on Mar 27, 2009 8:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what about jay wright?
he knows how to build a backcourt, which is what we need
by idigl7220 on Mar 27, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have him listed...i like his 3 guard system
you know that next season he will have 7 McDonalds all americans on his team or so I heard on ESPN
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by SevenRings on Mar 27, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you really want to sell your soul to accept Calipari???
Why would UK want to reach down that low to hire a snake like him? Are you all that desperate?
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Mar 27, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see it like that Hoze....He has never been in trouble for recruiting violations or anything else
Its all rumors. Until somoene can give me a specific example of where he broke rules I will maintain that he is perfect for UK. He is arguably the best recruiter in the game, plays an exciting brand of basketball and is a proven winner.
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by SevenRings on Mar 27, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well a lot of people do see it that way.
He can recruit and he does play an exciting game of basketball. I just think UK can do better and should demand the highest of standards (and if you recall, I said that same thing very early when Gillispie was mishandling the ‘CEO demands’ of communicating and representing the university). He certainly isn’t a bench coach.
After all UK has done the post-Sutton years, I can’t imagine why UK would want to sacrifice those gains and standards. UK should be pround for what it has stood for after those years. I just see Calipari as a step back. A step back that UK doesn’t have to take. UK can do better and should do better. However, I certainly acknowledge they are in a world of hurt right now with the relatively shallow talent pool that would truly want to come to UK.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Mar 27, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Anderson
Looked like a good one last night.
"You are what you are and you ain't what you ain't"
by iam4ukintn on Mar 27, 2009 8:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
my buddies and i were saying the same thing...in jest but its intruiging
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by SevenRings on Mar 27, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
coaches
I had rather have Cal tha B D anyway..
by 59Bennett on Mar 27, 2009 8:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How many has
NCAA championships won by John C.?
by Grasslands1 on Mar 27, 2009 8:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Regardles of who we get, the precedent is set
In two years, if we’re not happy with the coach, we make a change. Next time let’s make is Barnhart instead of the coach.
by hoboat33 on Mar 27, 2009 9:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
MB should be next to get ax anyway
by briangwildcatfan on Mar 27, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fine by me, two years does seem too long. You know………. he’s “just not a good fit”.
by hoboat33 on Mar 27, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is apparently what we said today........
…man i am pi$$ed over this
by teambeam on Mar 27, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some people will be mad
with whoever it is.
by Grasslands1 on Mar 27, 2009 9:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lyric....please write a song conveying our wishes for Calipari
and we can go down there and serenade him outside his house…..or put a video on You Tube
;-)
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by SevenRings on Mar 27, 2009 9:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
When we end up with the death penalty...
I will remind all of you Calipari hangers that you asked for it.
Read the entire article and, if it doesn’t make your skin crawl, come back and talk about Calipari some more.
by jbt36 on Mar 27, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Calipari still on the list of possible replacement Coach
I thought that it was reported on ESPN News that he declined any interest in Kentucky. I know
last night Seth Davis said he would have 4 All-Americans next season and was unlikely to want to leave .
by blue oregon on Mar 27, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've got a feeling...
that this hire will come out of left field but it better be right. I would not rule out an NBA coach. I don’t have any ideas but I think they will cast this net far and wide. Barnhart knows this one has to be right or he will burn.
I don’t follow the NBA. Are there any quality coaches with college ties anyone knows about?
Xbox Live Gamertag: hoopchi
by hoopchi on Mar 27, 2009 9:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LHL
Currently has an article up that includes comments about taking the pressure of MB and forming a 6 to 8 person committee to hire new coach, unless they can find the home run coach over the weekend.
by blue oregon on Mar 27, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Before drawing from the hat
I would seek Few, Miller, Self, and Howland (that is if there is a chance of getting any of them)
by GoLightning on Mar 27, 2009 9:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I will now go back to being
my usual quiet self and never be so honest with my brethen here again.
by Grasslands1 on Mar 27, 2009 9:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Be nice, please.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
None Grass..
but he has been close and he will win several before he is done..playing in a weak conference probally hurts his teams in the tourney..
by 59Bennett on Mar 27, 2009 9:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the Sweet 16 has been mostly blowouts....
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by SevenRings on Mar 27, 2009 9:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hope Carolina gets blown out!
"You are what you are and you ain't what you ain't"
by iam4ukintn on Mar 27, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm fine with that
as long as UNC is next
by GoLightning on Mar 27, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would like to see some better games though....
I want to see tense games with both teams fighting their guts out to survive and advance….too anitclimactic right now
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by SevenRings on Mar 27, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I was just making a lame attempt at humor.
by GoLightning on Mar 27, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In one of my pools I took a flyer and had Gonzaga in the final four so I wouldn't mind it
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by SevenRings on Mar 27, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I picked Gonzaga for the Elite Eight
Then dummy me put Arizona St in the Final Four. Hey at least I’m not all chalk.
by GoLightning on Mar 27, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the way...
if anyone wants to see why Billy doesn’t like to play zone, watch Oklahoma just destroy it with 3 point shooting. They are picking it apart. Perhaps Boeheim should make an adjustment and play some man. Wonder how his AD feels about this.
Xbox Live Gamertag: hoopchi
by hoopchi on Mar 27, 2009 9:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
After the game WHAS 11 is set to
report Boeheim is out- for failing to use man to man defense. Just kidding :)
by blue oregon on Mar 27, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alan Cutler is flying up to chase him down even as we speak.
Xbox Live Gamertag: hoopchi
by hoopchi on Mar 27, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wasnt he mentioned last time?
just curious
by briangwildcatfan on Mar 27, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn you Tru! Get out of my head!
I was thinking about this all the way home. Billy wasn’t aristocracy and therefore wore out his welcome with the landed gentry. Glad you wrote it though – I would have made a mess of it.
by jbt36 on Mar 27, 2009 9:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why is Pat Riley
so little discussed in UK history 40?
by Grasslands1 on Mar 27, 2009 9:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Because He Was Just A Relatively Small Part Of It
Louie Dampier shared the spotlight with him.
He hasn’t been “around” UK in 40+ years.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 27, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its that because of his job
or has he no interest in returning for some special moment?
by Grasslands1 on Mar 27, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He Lived In KY 4 Years (1963-67)
He’s from NY originally and very much So Calif, now SoBe (Miami) lifestyle.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 27, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, I thought that
might be it. Some day when he retires and reflects on life he might come back for a night.
by Grasslands1 on Mar 27, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Riley..
and bring Magic with him and groom him for a few yrs to replace him..
by 59Bennett on Mar 27, 2009 9:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A good, measured take Tru
There is a lot about this situation that’s unnerving – the way it was handled, the superficial view of a program firing a coach after just 2 years and an NIT appearance, just not a lot to feel good about. I guess over the next week or so we’ll hear more about what was happening behind the scenes but even if we don’t, this is a period of UK basketball that none of us will look back at with any fondness.
As for the next coach, I think the best option is to go the Pitino-blueprint route: find an NBA coach with a level of success at the college level. Off the top of my head I don’t know who would fit that category and would be available though.
I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra
by JLeverenz on Mar 27, 2009 9:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Even soo...
If we go that route it will still be a few years at least before UK makes a presence in college hoops again.
Hood is most likely gone, considering how hard it was to get him here in the first place.
Orton is likely to pull out unless someone huge comes in…which isn’t gonna happen.
If Orton goes, I wouldn’t be suprised if Ppat goes…followed by Meeks if he gets round or better.
And Ferguson already said that it is very likely he will not hold to his UK commitment.
Mitch Barnfart has totally hosed the program. Prepare for the Dark Ages.
by Fyrebird_86 on Mar 27, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
UK could lose Orton and Ferguson dependiing on the hire....
but Meeks’ dad is on record that there were a lot of problems behind the scene and Meeks is more likely to return now that coach is gone.
Hood is a Kentucky boy and I think he would stay committed.
Patterson’s decision will mostly be a business decision based on his draft status.
Vilarno’s dad said his son loves UK and most likely would stay.
Alot of this depends on the hire but it is not set in stone that UK will fall into the depths of despair.
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by SevenRings on Mar 27, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We Lost Ellis, Mills, Manuel In 1989
Fortunately there were some Unforgettables on that roster.
Add Jamal Mashburn to the UF’s and you “win” SEC in 1991 and nearly make FF in 1992.
The Unforgettables (those on the 1990 roster) were the cornerstones on those 2 teams.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 27, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remind me did we go on probation that year?
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by SevenRings on Mar 27, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes (But)
We were on Probation in 1977 (26-4) and 1978 (30-2) also. NCAA sanctions handed down in 1976,
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 27, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
gotcha...I know you don't live in KY but did you get to hear any of the audio from
Orton, Hood and Vilarno’s fathers? It was on WKYT today. it may have been elsewhere as well but I can’t swear to it.
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by SevenRings on Mar 27, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
Hood and Vilarino will attend UK regardless.
Orton will (if he likes the new coach).
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 27, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.......
And Meeks’ father had some strong things to say about BCG. He would probably have left if coach returned.
Liggins would have probably left if coach stayed. Stewart too.
Patterson will be a 95% business decision.
If UK brings in the right coach, they will be in a stronger position than if they retained coach. UK may lose ground with those beyond 2009 but the right hire could repair alot of that.
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by SevenRings on Mar 27, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If that's what it takes then so be it
Better to take a step back for a few years if it means getting back to the top of the college basketball mountain.
But I think a head coach with NBA experience will be able to keep the incoming recruits just as well as anyone who comes over from the college ranks.
I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra
by JLeverenz on Mar 27, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree 100%
But it really doesn’t matter, does it? As long as some boosters rotary club gets to meet the next coach. ‘cause that’s whats really important for UK athletics, isn’t it?
by thehoopnazi on Mar 28, 2009 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cutler onlex18
The comments on Cutler’s actions withBG are nasty on the comments section
by briangwildcatfan on Mar 27, 2009 9:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Was he the dude chasing Billy G into his office?
by blue oregon on Mar 27, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
THat was what he was doing?
by briangwildcatfan on Mar 27, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's video of it over at KSR.
Made me sick to watch.
Xbox Live Gamertag: hoopchi
by hoopchi on Mar 27, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously demeaning! Like BCG was a criminal!!
by blue oregon on Mar 27, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
says
alot about their sports coverage
by briangwildcatfan on Mar 27, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BCG's offense
he did fit in and bad chemistry
by blue oregon on Mar 27, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Extremely poor taste by Cutler.
Kudos to Coach for not reacting irrationally (as I would have)
by Thomas Hunt Morgan on Mar 27, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who would fit?
Based on watching the bumbling antics of our AD and President today, I can only think of two coaches that at this point I would put up there with them. Just based on looks alone we are either getting Thad Matta or Bo Ryan.
Xbox Live Gamertag: hoopchi
by hoopchi on Mar 27, 2009 9:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Like Him A Lot
He’s taken a small private university into the big time. Who’s to say that Xavier hasn’t been a better team than UK in the last few years. Jury is out though on his embracing the role he would play here in the bluegrass.
by Bluegilla on Mar 28, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The late Skip Prosser
who recruited Wakes current team got his training there.
by Grasslands1 on Mar 27, 2009 9:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Uhhhh no
Sean Miller has been head coach at Xavier for 5 years, Prosser had as much to do with the current Xavier team as I did. But thanks for playing.
I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra
by JLeverenz on Mar 27, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apologies
Somehow inserted “Xavier” for “Wake”.
I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra
by JLeverenz on Mar 27, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Read what I said.
The current Wake players. Forgiven already though.
by Grasslands1 on Mar 27, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like I said, I misread it. No excuse for doing so, just read too quickly.
I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra
by JLeverenz on Mar 27, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing trains you
completely for UK
by Grasslands1 on Mar 27, 2009 9:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Anthony Grant
to Alabama…..just reported
I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!
by tenken on Mar 27, 2009 9:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well
I didn’t see smart***
I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!
by tenken on Mar 27, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Simmer down
things are already a little too tense
by hoboat33 on Mar 27, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would think we
have to have somebody very familiar with the SEC and its recruiting base. Stansfield? He does get a lot out of his players. He is also a solid person I hear.
by Grasslands1 on Mar 27, 2009 9:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
do you mean Stansbury?
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by SevenRings on Mar 27, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, sorry
Not to good with typing , names, spelling, ect……
by Grasslands1 on Mar 27, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what about BD????? Change your stand on it?
Did you get your donation back from your source??
by khlim2 on Mar 27, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Read what I said. He never said he was taking it.
He said he was in negotiations. For all who do not know. You can go to somebodies profile and read there comments. Please do read mine before you make stupid comments about what you think I said. DEAL.
by Grasslands1 on Mar 27, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
did you just say stupid comments?
YOU DESERVE TO LOSE YOUR JOB!!
by khlim2 on Mar 27, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Took me a minute.
That was good.
by Grasslands1 on Mar 28, 2009 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When have we ever been concerned...
with the SEC recruiting base? We should be recruiting nationally, not regionally.
by jbt36 on Mar 27, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes we are national.
But the S.E. has been a hot bed for talent for UK for awhile.
by Grasslands1 on Mar 28, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Forgotten?
This article was a total sympathy letter.
Have ya’ll forgotten about Gardner Webb, San Deigo State, VMI… all in Rupp? How about the turnover problems that were never corrected all season? This team regressed as conference play continued. Losing to Miss St and losing twice to South Carolina with awful game plans? Losing at home during senior night to the worst team in the SEC? How quick you are to forget. Billy’s team never improved this season.
Do you fire him after two years because of this? No.
You add it on to BCG’s snide remarks to national reporters, Tom Leach, and saying he’s not an ambassador to the university.
That is why you let him go.
Church of Alberto
by barefootpirate on Mar 27, 2009 9:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well said Tru!
Yeah, the media will make a ruckus about the firing of BG for a while, and then move on to UConn’s problems, etc. Hopefully, some good will come out of this debacle. Things looks pretty bad for UK back in Eddie Sutton’s era…and then CMN lands Rick P as the new coach: what a great ride that was.
Of course the only problem, and a big one, is MB at the helm instead of Newton.
If Mitch’s job becomes in doubt over all of this, maybe Dan Issel can ride to the rescue.
by KyDoug on Mar 27, 2009 9:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tru Gets a 10
How strange for me to write in seeming defense of the folks who dismissed my early favorite to be coach of UK BB but in all fairness I must:
First he sets up the readers with:
As I write this, I am having to force myself not to draw conclusions, not to make accusations and not to race off into an angry screed that I will either wind up regretting or having to explain.
Then he not only jumps to conclusions regarding the relationship between Gillispie and the administration:
With that said, it is perfectly clear that the University of Kentucky in general and Mitch Barnhart in particular did very little to help Gillispie succeed.
Perfectly clear? What action rids one of doubt?
And, of course, a little class warfare is always helpful in arousing support for your — pardon the expression, conclusion — thus we have:
The urbane national sports media will laugh uproariously at the notion that people from Kentucky found themselves looking down on someone else as a bumpkin, but in my estimation, that is precisely what happened among the Lexington gentry, academics and media members who have Dr. Todd’s and Mitch Barnhart’s ear.
And to finish off this marvelously rhetorical feat he throws in a little French and Italian to impress the judges.
What a performance! Jumping to conclusions while pledging not to and with a flourish: triple somersault with a twist! A perfect 10. I can hardly wait for the next event when more facts are added to the repertoire.
by Wild Weasel on Mar 27, 2009 9:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
English Major?
Church of Alberto
by barefootpirate on Mar 27, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He Was A Good Coach But A Bad Fit From Day 1
That’s crystal clear to almost everyone by now.
Just a TERRIBLE fit at UK. Poor choice for that reason.
Hopefully the selection committee will listen to knowledgeable professionals this time.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 27, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"selection committee"
sounds a lot better than “Mitch Barnhart”
by hoboat33 on Mar 27, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mitch Listened To A Few Miserable Alums, Fraternity Brother, And Wannabes Last Time
Hopefully he’ll listen to experts this time.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 27, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll be glad to send him some hearing aids for his ears
and duct tape for his mouth.
A committee just needs to give him approved names and don’t let him have any input or any suggestions.
by hoboat33 on Mar 27, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, right. It is so clear now when it's all over.
Unfortuneatley this site is populated with the halleluia choir that jumped all over those who saw issues a few months ago. Sad but true.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Mar 27, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My Point Was This
2 years was awfully short time to do this.
UK did its homework BADLY in 2007.
They cannot go that again in 2009.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 27, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll acknowledge that two years is short.
And I was in that camp earlier for that reason not to make a change. But I changed right after the Jeannine Edwards interview (not that this was a key tipping point but it did signify to me the acknowledgement that he wasn’t handling the demands of the job).
So to me, way too many people hung on to that position of only two years and had blinders on with all else that was going on. For example, I brought up the strange situation with Meeks not taking a shot for 15 minutes in the ND game. There is some information out there that suggests there was a reason for it and I wasn’t just seeing things. It’s just an example on how taking a strong position one way or the other can make you ‘blind’ on drawing alternative and uncomfortable conclusions based on what is happening right in front of you.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Mar 27, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
...and one final point as a reminder...that's when I brought up the need to 'see around corners'. Recall?
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Mar 27, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So where is it?
The information about Meeks, I mean? I don’t see or hear anything which suggests he tried to sabotage Gillispie, and if he did, he was dead wrong to do so no matter what.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here is my comment regarding the ND situation that started a discussion between you and I, Tru.
Tru
What’s your thoughts on Meeks ‘shutting down’ for nearly 15 minutes tonight?
by HozeKing on Mar 25, 2009 8:47 PM PDT
This issue on Meeks not shooting through some games this year was brought up in today’s Vaught article that quoted Meeks father.
http://www.amnews.com/public_html/?module=displaystory&story_id=48972&format=html
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Mar 28, 2009 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
So what you’re saying is that Meeks was disrespecting his teammates by acting up, maybe costing them the game in a fit of pique over some perceived slight by the coach?
Is that your point? I hope not.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NO...absolutely not. I am not that smart to understand the reasoning but smart enough to see something that isn't right.
When I saw the game, I think it revealed something more than NB completely locking him down and not taking shots. I thought it showed some sort of ‘behind the scenes’ that wasn’t just due to what was happening on the court in that game.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Mar 28, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that’s ND, by the way as in Notre Dame.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Mar 28, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess ...
… we’ll just agree to disagree.
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to back Tru here.
He was a terrible fit for the elite because he didn’t hold his pinky out when he sipped from the crystal. Every, and I repeat, every UK fan I spoke with this afternoon (a number approaching 100) liked Coach Gillispie and are heartsick over this.
by jbt36 on Mar 27, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
He didn’t hold the glass by the stem and taste the wine saying “Sophisticated. With a hint of wood.”
by Thomas Hunt Morgan on Mar 27, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well ...
… My remark about jumping to conclusions was directed at making a judgment about Barnhart and Todd’s actions, not things which are obvious to anyone with eyes, ears, and a brain. I see perfectly clearly that the administration did not support Gillipie, nor did they embrace his plain-spoken style almost from the first day it became evident. If this isn’t obvious to you, what can I say?
I am comfortable with what I have written. It is empirically defensible that the support for Gillispie among the UK “in” crowd noticeably waned more than a year ago, and has been downhill ever since. It is obvious to anyone with a brain that the press has been turning steadily against him since Jerry Tipton began taking shots at him last year, and that there was clear condescension from the gentry and the media, among others. I can go on and on, but these are things that really should require no exposition — they are intuitively obvious to me, and should be to any who style themselves a perceptive person.
What isn’t obvious is the fact that there might be more to the story beyond that, and I have acknowledged that possibility. That’s why I have spared both Barnhart and Todd a harsh judgment — for now.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be somewhat 'critica'....
I think you are being too fair with Barnhart and Todd. For Barnhart to state that he ‘had no regrets in hiring (Gillispie)’ and then taking on full responsibility for the mistake. Is at least regrettable, and at worst hypocritical (I just had to write that :).
I despise when administrators in power take a stance where they take full accountability, but there is no penalty. The Japanese culture has something with that hari kari philosophy.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Mar 28, 2009 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh.
Perhaps so. I want to hear Gillispie’s side, and read more about how this all went down before I start calling for more heads on poles to go up beside Gillispie’s in front of the Craft Center.
But my first inclination is to agree with you.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
classless
I watched that spectacle on ESPN and I couldn’t tell which was more classless the reporter chasing Gillispie or the fact that UK didn’t have security out there to prevent the clown from doing it. That was embarrassing for a UK fan.
by oskat on Mar 27, 2009 9:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Please
I have heard all this moaning and groaning about the press chasing down Gillispie. This happens ALL THE TIME. Does anyone know Bernie Madoff? What about Paris Hilton?
Gillispie could have turned around and plainly said ‘Fellows, I cannot comment right now…I will though on Saturday at 11:00’. I thought the episode in question was a summary on how Gillispie dealt with the press during his entire tenure.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Mar 28, 2009 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Been reading a bit.....some thoughts
First off, this is my first post on ASOB, and it has been interesting to read really good posts versus the trash and smack that you see on other websites, so kudos to all of you.
I was at work when I heard of the firing and the press conference so I wasn’t able to see everything that happened when the fit hit the shan this afternoon. When I got home and turned on Sports Center, the first thing that I see is BCG running away from a reporter with no security to cover the moron that was chasing him. A sad moment in UK basketball when the now ex-coach is thrown out like bad mexican food.
The press conference was a little cut and dry, though I have to admit it was lame that Barnhart read a statement versus TALKING to the press about the things that happened. However both Him and LT both talked about the things that made the decision a little easier in a way for them. While I do not agree with how the decision was attained, I think that there were a lot of factors that played into the process. The rudeness to reporters, the social anxiety that lead to some bad decisions (see 2007 Rotary Club dinner speech, or lack thereof), and the “That wasn’t part of my job description” answer to the fact that the UK Coach must represent the team and the college to the community. It wasn’t a good fit from the get go, and sad that the lesson had to be learned in this fashion.
Now, to the rumors that have flooded every one of the websites related to UK athletics. Tru, I have to agree it there has been a ton of rumors that have gone across our minds about who will replace BCG as the new coach, and it can get a little old, quickly. Unless there is actual proof that these things are actually happening, then I say lets let sleeping dogs lie. It’s like giving false hope in times of disaster. Let’s just see what happens. As my Dad says "It is what it is!".
I think that the next UK coach must be chosen after a longer search than the last time we went on this journey. The decision process should include a panel that can make the best decision for the program, not just one person who just jumps at the first person who wants the job. The candidate must be vetted to see do they make for a good coach and a good ambassador to the program. Then and ONLY then do we make the choice. As the saying goes "Those who fail to understand the past are doomed to repeat it".
by CATFAN85 on Mar 27, 2009 10:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thank you for sharing your thoughts. I was... thoughtful.
by khlim2 on Mar 27, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good points, all.
Great job.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very nice.
One problem, what do you call proof? What is acceptable proof?
by Grasslands1 on Mar 27, 2009 10:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
By the way,
For all who do not know. You can go to somebodies profile and read there comments. Please do read mine before you make stupid comments about what you think I said. DEAL. This is not pointed at anybody in particular.
by Grasslands1 on Mar 27, 2009 10:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It would take
the better part of a day to weed through the dozens of meaningless posts you have made in the past several hours.
by The Lexpatriate on Mar 27, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, yeah ...
… just not 24-7! :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get the feeling that Gus Johnson is about to go off
on one if his classic calls in this MSU/KU game……
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by SevenRings on Mar 27, 2009 10:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
arguably the best announcer in college basketball
by Thomas Hunt Morgan on Mar 27, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His excitement can be felt through the TV....
and it is a better kind of excitement that Dukie V
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by SevenRings on Mar 27, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thomas HM
how did you become a Utah Jazz fan?
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by SevenRings on Mar 27, 2009 11:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Always liked Stockton and Malone.
No real reason. Not a huge NBA fan, other than cheering for the ex-Cats.
by Thomas Hunt Morgan on Mar 27, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have been a Laker fan ever since they drafted Magic...which is since I was around 9 years old
It looks like to me that they will meet in the Western Conference finals.
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by SevenRings on Mar 27, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you're right!
Road to the NBA finals passes through LA and San Antonio.
by Thomas Hunt Morgan on Mar 27, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he never gave less than, like, 400%
by teambeam on Mar 27, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol....he's like their version of the Hanson brothers
of Slap Shot fame
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by SevenRings on Mar 27, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Laker Fan?
Me too. My Laker fandom also came at a young age and totally comes from my dad. My dad loved (still does, actually) Kareem — he was to be adored at my house, abosolutely no exceptions. : )
I will admit to being a “sort of” NBA fan as in I don’t really watch faithfully until the playoffs, but our Lakers should fare pretty well this year and I will actually be thankful for the distraction of cheering them on.
by BigSkyCat on Mar 27, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Bynum comes back 100%....its over...;-)
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by SevenRings on Mar 27, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go Spartans...tied up
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by SevenRings on Mar 27, 2009 11:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Now if Gonzaga can make a huge comeback all is well
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by SevenRings on Mar 27, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very physical game here...let them play
I luv it
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by SevenRings on Mar 27, 2009 11:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is "interim coach" an option
for UK if the Right Man is not available at the moment?
by Gobe Igbloo on Mar 27, 2009 11:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hadn't really considered that.
Who would not be available this season but would be after next season?
by Thomas Hunt Morgan on Mar 27, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't have anybody in mind for the unavailable Right Man
I just wondered if we had some options for flexibility, rather than “must hire best available ASAP”
by Gobe Igbloo on Mar 27, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably not.
Why not just keep Gillispie around then? It seems like UK’s going to be paying his salary whether he coaches or not!
by Thomas Hunt Morgan on Mar 27, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Wish
Few used to Coach at Creswell High School, a small community 8 miles south of Eugene, Oregon-where I live.
Lots of folks want Few to coach at bigger schools. Few is not likely to come back east. He is on record that loves the Northwest!! However, people do change their minds.
by blue oregon on Mar 27, 2009 11:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Blue Or
I’m in Eugene too, in grad school. We should get together for some Maker’s and hoops next season.
by The Lexpatriate on Mar 27, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cheers.....to all who are still here
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by SevenRings on Mar 27, 2009 11:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cheers... to you SevenRings.
You looking forward to the FB season as much as I am?
by Thomas Hunt Morgan on Mar 27, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In all this, UK finalized their schedule yesterday.
Open 9/5 vs. Miami OH at Paul Brown in Cincinnati. Then bye, U of L and Flordia. Let’s start 3-0!
http://www.ukathletics.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/2009-tentative-schedule.html
by Thomas Hunt Morgan on Mar 27, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
football is my first love
so yes……but that seems so far off
right now I am focused on winning some money on this tourney
at least we finally have a good game tonight….the spartans would help my chances
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by SevenRings on Mar 27, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spring game is just around the corner!
Heh. Anxious to see Newton and Mossakowski in action.
by Thomas Hunt Morgan on Mar 27, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
me too...you would think at least one of those guys will be redshirted
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by SevenRings on Mar 27, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Positions for those two players?
Do not follow KY football. I get a ton of crap because Brooks came from Duckville. Mitch Barnhart from Beaverville.
by blue oregon on Mar 27, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Both highly rated QB's....4 or 5 stars depending on the recrutitng service
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by SevenRings on Mar 27, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Both are blue-chip QB recruits.
Now that you are on ASoB, there’s no excuse for not having you on board in the fall!
by Thomas Hunt Morgan on Mar 27, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you Seven
I love football and am really excited about this year – quarterback situation is MUCH better.
by hoboat33 on Mar 27, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so is Aldridge
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by SevenRings on Mar 27, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
game on....
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by SevenRings on Mar 27, 2009 11:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wish Izzo liked race horses.
Xbox Live Gamertag: hoopchi
by hoopchi on Mar 27, 2009 11:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly....what more could you want
2 proud programs, Gus Johsnons and a close game
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by SevenRings on Mar 27, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"what more could you want"?
Don’t get me started. lol
by hoboat33 on Mar 27, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel ya...I really do
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by SevenRings on Mar 27, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bad call....ohno
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by SevenRings on Mar 27, 2009 11:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
The near official had the angle, but the call came from the far official. Poor.
by Thomas Hunt Morgan on Mar 27, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there goes another part of my bracket
(don’t know how to type "Taps")
by hoboat33 on Mar 27, 2009 11:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Michigan St just moved me into 2nd place in my bracket pool....
I need to be perfect from here on out to win…..the pool for money that is
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by SevenRings on Mar 27, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that's about it for tonite ("tonight" if you prefer)
Maybe tomorrow we’ll have news about a new coach, but with the inmates running the asylum it will probably be the day before midnight madness. GN
by hoboat33 on Mar 27, 2009 11:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Izzo is the top choice to replace Billy Gillispie
if this has already been posted, I apologize… There have been tons of comments…
Thoughts…
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Mar 28, 2009 1:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He will be resisted.
His style is very similar to Tubby Smith.
But he does have the name, and he is a terrific coach. He is also a Michigan man born and bred. He will not come, I predict.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Elite coaches
As much as I would love for a coach with a resume like Izzo to come:
Such a coach is someone who has won and is likely to win more national championships where he is.
How does it benefit him to come to Kentucky? he has already reached (at least near) the top of his profession.
Unless someone is looking to coach his/her alma matter (williams – thoguh he didn’t win a championship at kansas either) or has lost his passion/connection with the school for whatever reason (Tubby, Bob Knight)., I don’t see why someone who his currently winning big would come to UK.
by schizm42 on Mar 28, 2009 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rich Rodriguez
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Mar 28, 2009 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a very good coach,
but i personally I have had my fill of coaches whos teams struggle to score 65 points
by thehoopnazi on Mar 28, 2009 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gillispie presser?
NBC affiliate WAVE-tv said (bob dominie) tonight in their evening news that gillispie is having an 11 a.m. news conference tomorrow morning.
Has anybody else heard this? I cant seem to find any info about it on the web.
by Kuhnnie on Mar 28, 2009 1:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yes...
…it has been confirmed to be taking place at the Griffin Gate
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Mar 28, 2009 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gillispie presser
cool. do you think it will be televised?
What’s the satus with the players? When will they be able to talk about what really happened this season (or the last two years?)
by Kuhnnie on Mar 28, 2009 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is suppose to be on WKYT and I’m sure them or WLEX will have an online link to watch if you are out of the area. I just hope he doesn’t decide to air dirty laundry and it is just a farewell speech as he has a lot virtues but talking to the media isn’t one of them.
by trich on Mar 28, 2009 5:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will be very disappointed if forces inside the University of Kentucky
veto Mitch being able to contact coach Calipari. IMO that would be a big mistake.
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by SevenRings on Mar 28, 2009 1:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
calipari doenst seem interested at all. but then again . . .this article from the memphis paper says he wants to disappear for a couple days, and some other curious things
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2009/mar/27/john-calipari-insists-memphis-where-i-want-coach/
by Kuhnnie on Mar 28, 2009 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep - I have heard his comments....
yet I would like to see UK put his loyalties to the test ……make him a great offer and see if he will accept.
what I can’t accept is not trying….if UK officials do not let Mitch at least try based on innuendo and not facts is unacceptable IMO.
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by SevenRings on Mar 28, 2009 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Calipari....
…I listened to the interview when he exited the plane… He was ask the question about the UK job…
Said he was happy at Memphis, but stumbled around the question and change the subject quickly… Then he said, folks I’m very tired and I have to go… he then walked away…
I think he was afraid he would be probed a little more about the UK job…!!?
Anyone else see it..?
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Mar 28, 2009 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
from what I read that is true....short and sweet
Katz did report something to the effect that he may be interested….take that for what it is worth
they should investigate that further to see if in fact he would be interested
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by SevenRings on Mar 28, 2009 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sitting in C-USA at a school with low academic standards gives Calipari a hammerlock on 30 wins and a 1 or 2 seed for as long as he feels like coaching there. I really can’t see him leaving that behind.
Aside from that, the guy has a bit of a checkered past and graduates next to none of his players. I prefer a guy a little cleaner than that, but I have honestly no idea where we’d turn for that.
Thad Matta, perhaps?
by Wats on Mar 28, 2009 1:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what about hiring one of your own???
In this day and age of the media hype surrounding everything sports related, don’t you think that hiring someone that understands what it takes to be a part of UK basketball would be the best option??? Thad Matta doesn’t graduate much more than Calipari and everyone knows Ohio State’s reputation for purchasing. What about someone like Travis Ford? He is currently a head coach, although I would question if he is ready to take over a school of UK’s history and stature. I do think the next coach needs a couple more years than 2, but I also never though Gillespie never made sense as a coach of UK. He never fit, but never should have been offered the job in the first place. I realize that Donovan has already said he isn’t interested in the job, so that rules out one coach with ties to UK. Anyways, something to think on, but I think a former UK player/coach would be the smartest choice for the long hall, but some people have to grow and adjust to a postion like head coach of Kentucky
by just a college basketball fan on Mar 28, 2009 2:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
At the least...
there needs to be an assistant with a Kentucky background or someone in the program to “whisper” in the new coach’s ear and smooth the way.
by jpbluekat on Mar 28, 2009 5:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Travis Ford ...
… has many of the same problems as Gillispie. He is known to be vulgar and headstrong, and has little Division I experience.
Ford is a “safe” hire in the sense that most UK fans would quickly rally around him. But hiring Ford would indicate that Barnhart has learned nothing from recent events, and just wants to put a PR patch over the problem.
Ford might grow into a coach worthy of being at UK. He isn’t that coach right now, and if he does not win, Barnhart will surely be fired. But Ford will buy him three years at least with the fans, just because of his connections to the program. I personally think it would be a lousy hire from a resume standpoint.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hiring Travis Ford would be an absolute disaster.
In no way is he ready for this job. Just because he may understand what being a UK coach is all about doesn’t mean he would be successfull. If the best we can do at getting a coach is Travis Ford then this program has really hit the skids.
by maysvilleblue on Mar 28, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure fans would immediately rally around him.
Just by a way of anecdote, I have spoken to very few fans who would be truly enthused by a Ford hire.
by Thomas Hunt Morgan on Mar 28, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed! and well said.
Two years ago, I was one who would have been behind Ford all the way, but with his actions and attitude at OK State, now I believe it would be bad. Also, he would just propogate the Good Ole Boy system that has led to the demise of the program again, less than 20 years after we just cleared it out.
Apparently the public reprimands he has received are a drop in the bucket to his overall attitude. Talk about another black eye…Not to mention his resume falls well short of even the now departed BCG.
by Catfanfor over40 on Mar 29, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gillispie's demise...
Firing someone is never easy but in a position as highly visible as the UK Basketball program, it will always be ugly. I believe more information will come out about other things that were going on behind the scene but the general public/fans will probably never know some of the ugliest. Lawsuits would be filed if it all came out on national TV, etc. I, for one, as going to stay calm and pray that my University’s officials do the right thing from here on out!
by NKYMO on Mar 28, 2009 6:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Supposed “ugly” things are already all over the premium Catspause boards and Matt Jones essentially dismissed them in his live chat last night. A lot of this comes down to what is said in the press conference today, does he go quietly into the night or will he leave the Bluegrass kicking, screaming, and throwing out more accusations than the worst UK bulletin boards.
by trich on Mar 28, 2009 6:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Matt ...
… but you have to understand where his bread is buttered. He gave up being a truly independent voice for UK a long time ago, and has developed a co-dependent relationship with them, much like The Cats Pause.
Some of the things he said, to me, ring either false, incomplete or contrived. He has become very much an informal adjunct outlet of the Sports Information department at UK. His best interests are served by getting this smoothed over.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just curious......
has it occurred to anyone that they chose not to hang out the dirty laundry? Do we need to know the juicy details. I thought Billy was the coach for us, but he has demonstrated a very odd sort of personality, shy,withdrawn…..having difficulty interacting with strangers in general.
As to the AD….this is his last chance…..it has to be a great hire or he’s in trouble.
by TravelinCat on Mar 28, 2009 7:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It HAS To Be A Grand Slam HR
Or Mitch B gone.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 28, 2009 7:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dear Truzenzuzex
I can’t even finish your post Truzenzuzex. Pathetic. You know squat about the real reasons for his firing! Why not just say so and shut up with the BS speculation?! You figure BG did his job to the fullest and didn’t get help??!! What a joke. None of this was the hick’s fault, huh?!
The truth is, and I wish all these folks could read this, but you’ve been wrong about Billy Clyde all along. Dead, flat, stinking wrong! Your head has been so far up his ass that it’s amazing you’ve had enough light to even see your computer.
A couple weeks ago I told you I was going to give you an education about Billy G but I didn’t have time because I was too busy. Now I see it would be a waste of time. His obvious and substantial limitations and failures as a coach have been right in front of you and you’ve been blind to them and continue to be in denial about them. Now I see it would have been a complete waste of time to try to talk any sense into you.
Consider me done with this site.
You’ve been wrong about everything.
Good bye.
by MPennery on Mar 28, 2009 8:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank U For Being Done Here
It smells better already.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 28, 2009 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's an opinion buddy
“It is my considered opinion, subject to later revision and extension when more facts come to light…”
It sounds like you didn’t read the whole post, like you said.
by cthom on Mar 28, 2009 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks.
I appreciate drive-by’s who put rants like this with no reasoning on my blog, assuring me I should believe every word they write because … well, the why part never seems to be found there.
This is a warning. You are not allowed to attack people like this on the blog, including me. Don’t do it again, please.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MPennery...
..We barely knew ya’…
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Mar 28, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MPennery
So much for the discerning fan.
by blue oregon on Mar 28, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can I get some more rumors please?
Maybe some more “inside sources”?
This stuff is like crack. . .
The King is dead! Long live the King!
by NYCCats on Mar 28, 2009 8:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I have't read all of the posts here...
since there are over 400,so I may say what others already have said. First of all,I think letting BG go was the thing to do. He didn’t fit in as others have said. Two years isn’t enough time to evaluate a coach but it is enough to evaluate him as a man,meaning the way he treated those around him. He didn’t treat the players well and from what I have heard,they hated practices and the game was no longer fun to them. This was a team that was pyhisically(sp) and mentally drained by the mid point of the SEC season. This wasn’t because of the demands of the fans,as some have said,but from the demands of the coach. Now I know coaches have to be demanding at this level but not to the point it borders on being abusive. I think MB and LT did have the players concerns and the concerns of their parents in mind when making this move and that’s something that hasn’t been said much. Some will say that’s BS but there were rumblings for some time that if BG came back,many players wouldn’t be and I believe that. BG didn’t do his job here,on the court or off,plain and simple. I am not a MB fan and I blame him for not doing his homework before bringing BG here. This will without question be his most important hire and if he doesn’t get it right it could be disaster for UK basketball. But I think it’s worth it in hopes of MB getting it right this time.
by maysvilleblue on Mar 28, 2009 8:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
we could look at things like this...
Here’s another take on things. It may or may not be correct, but …
KY basketball has not been what we all expect it to be for several seasons—longer than 2 years. At least we have now done something to try to change this. We were bleeding blue, and rather than stand by and risk growing weaker, we made a change. True, we should have handled it better, but at least we took action.
The media criticizes us. But they would have criticized us for failing to take action as well. It’s not as if the sports world was falling all over itself to praise us anyway… even when we Cats through our team might be coming back, we couldn’t buy a ranking in the Top 25 during the last 2 years. If we say that the basketball world lost respect for us for hiring/firing Billy, we have to consider, how much ‘respect’ they still held for us as a basketball program anyway.
Maybe we have now sent a message, written in our own blood, that we are Kentucky. We are not content to sit on the sidelines while others dance. We will do whatever it takes to reclaim our spot at the top. The message goes out to our future coach, current and future players, and to all our competitors. We may be down now, but we will do what it takes to come back.
Inasmuch as we justifiably criticize the Todd/Barnhart duo for their very questionable handling of this situation, we also crucify them, when they stand by, doing nothing, while Wildcat glory is drained by inferior teams, who should never, on their very best day, beat a Kentucky team.
The rest of the basketball world is watching every move we are making. But it may not be because we are a train wreck in progress. Perhaps they sweat the fact that we are going to do what it takes, that we will be back, and we will dominate—no matter how many coaches or players we have to shuffle to get there.
Again, I am not living and dying by this credo (so please don’t crucify me); I am just saying that it is another perspective to consider.
by StillCatwoman on Mar 28, 2009 9:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree totally.
Things would have only got worse if a move wasn’t made after this season. It was clear he wasn’t the right fit for many reasons. Make a move now and find the right guy this time.
by maysvilleblue on Mar 28, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The deed is done wether anyone person agrees or not
So….your right let’s move on, be positive, be strong, and make the best possible choice to right the Kentucky basketball ship.
However my fear all along has been the unkown damage to the lifeblood of college sports recruiting.
How many current players leave? Patterson? Meeks ? How many current recruits go elsewhere
Orton? Hood? Others?
The recruiting vultures are already circling. College recruiting is cutthroat. Schools do kick other schools while they are down.
by blue oregon on Mar 28, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can someone give me a link to the Gillispie presser? I'm in Alabama and can't p/u locally.
by bluegrassgal on Mar 28, 2009 9:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hand Over the Crow....
….I’ll take a healthy bite.
I surely, surely thought UK would give Gillispe one more year.
Alas….
I sincerely believe this move will come back to bite UK in the kiester….
"I will never leave you nor forsake you."
--Jesus Christ
by Blue_Tiger on Mar 28, 2009 10:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The New Coach will be....
Either Travis Ford, or John Pelphrey. They’ll take a home-grown hero to replace him.
I hear even Richie Farmer is looking for a job…..
"I will never leave you nor forsake you."
--Jesus Christ
by Blue_Tiger on Mar 28, 2009 10:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
God help us...
If any of that is true.
by maysvilleblue on Mar 28, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another Name To Think About
Isn’t Sean Woods a coach at some college down south?
by Bluegilla on Mar 28, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not Kyle Macy??
Does the next coach HAVE to be a former player???
by maysvilleblue on Mar 28, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Macy ...
… is just not that good a coach. He has had relatively little success, and has not coached in a few years.
Ford would be a better hire than him.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He Would Be Good As DBO
Certainly not HC. Not even assistant.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 28, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Macy=Laughable Head Coach
……and comes across on the air as a pompous jerk. which is irrelevant, of course
by teambeam on Mar 28, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was being sarcastic guys about Macy
But since everybody seems to think the hire of a former UK player is a MUST,I just thought I would throw his name in that big old pot.
by maysvilleblue on Mar 28, 2009 10:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately............................
The state of the program was addressed this morning by none other than the ex-Chicago Assasin, Jay Mariotti.
It wasn’t pretty
by Blujean on Mar 28, 2009 10:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Two words about that
Who cares??
by maysvilleblue on Mar 28, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BCG Press Conference
KSR has a link to BCG’s press conference today at 11AM on WHAS to be streamed live
by jwnky on Mar 28, 2009 10:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why isn't it on TV?!
All I can find of the news conference is a terrible whas 11 live feed.
by BBallSophist on Mar 28, 2009 11:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nevermind.
Saw the other thread…
by BBallSophist on Mar 28, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know...
Technically, Gillispie and the university never signed an official contract, instead going off of a mutual agreement the entire time. So UK can claim that they don’t really owe him much of a buyout anyway.
The only way I can see this scene getting worse is if Louisville wins the national championship. As in, the impact it will have on Rick Pitino’s legacy in the Bluegrass State.
by V. Money on Mar 28, 2009 1:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Karmic Ending
I think any article addressing the firing of Billy Gillispie should be entitled, “The Politics of UK”. As I look into my non-existent crystal ball I see the perfect karmic ending for UK – and I write this with great pain in that I am a Kentucky fan.
Gillispie goes on to coach at another school taking them to the Final Four. UK cannot find a coach because, truly, who in their right mind would take the job at this point. So Todd and Barnhart are left to coach the team themselves, effectively finishing it off after they have so exquisitely run it into the ground in what can only be described as a public relations disaster. You can’t hire someone for their expertise and show them the door just because they won’t do it your way. They should have let Gillispie do his job.
It is awful what they did to him and though I write my karmic ending with great pain – it serves them right. I hope Billy gets every penny of that “contract” and I hope he fights for it. UK isn’t going to get a good coach right now – too many politics, too many “cooks” in the kitchen, not enough patience and total lack of loyalty dictates they will be left holding the ball. So I hope Todd and Barnhart have a “How To” book on coaching since it seems they want to do everyone’s job, but their own.
Kimberly
by kimberlynicole on Mar 28, 2009 2:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Karma ...
… can be a real bitch, that’s for sure.
I can’t say I’m pulling for all that, though.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Mar 28, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm Sure Gillispie Will Coach Somewhere Else
But he’s a long way from FF based on what he’s shown as a coach
.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 28, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow...this is the first reasonably intelligent blog I cam come across on this...
As a newbie to this site, I was impressed by most of the insight and thought put into the comments on here.
I would like to add a little from my perspective, take it for what you may.
First of all, I have followed UK for OVER 40 years. Yeah, I am an old dog.
This is not the lowest point I have witnessed in the program, and I am not even referring to the probabtion years. If any of you are old enough to remember, we have been through lower times than this, and again if you know anything about basketball, I shouldn’t have to mention names or dates. Anyway, enough with that.
My feeling is that Billy could have worked out! For those of you who are questioning his character or media presence, do you know him personally? Have you actually sat down and had a conversation with him? Have you been in his shoes?
Maybe I am old school, non-PC generation, and I personally feel he might have used some grooming, but that was not a reason to dismiss him. Heck, the “god” of UK restoration, Ricky P had darn near the talent, and struggled and was lambasted early in his tenure for his media handling…“new yorker, ain’t one of us, etc…”, but he was at least given a chance! I thought his answer to Edwards of ESPN was spot on. In fact, I thought he used pretty good restraint in not labeling her as stupid, but just that it was a bad question. Yeah, rip me for this, but I hate stupid reporters who don’t know crap about the game being put on the sidelines to “fluff” up the broadcast.
HERE we get to the real problem. UK will never return to anything in basketball until Lee and Mitch are gone. The “old money” fatcats who are lining the pockets of the administration are pulling the strings. EVERYONE with an IQ over 40 knows this, but no one has had the guts to say it. They would rather kiss the rears of these people and keep getting the big money than really do what needs to be done. The only reason Billy G was on the hot seat had nothing to do with win/losses, media presentation. or even his supposed extracurricular activities; nope, it was because he didn’t kow-tow to the BOOSTER good ole boys. Once he had them on the wrong side of the fence, the only way he could have redeemed himself was to get to a Final Four THIS year. As a friend of mine said yesterday, “winning covers a multitude of sins”. Because this team only achieved, not “overachieved”, he was doomed.
For those who refuse to admit this, think for a moment. This may sound racist, but its not, these same fatcats would have run Tubby out a long time before, but they knew that the race card would be played. After 10 years though, it was OK to push him out, because they could then justify with his record that he had not performed to the expectance of the program.
I have never been so disappointed in UK in my life…yes, even including the probation years. I will continue to support them, but now I wonder who will be our next “two and done” coach. Since our ridiculous fanbase has already set the precendent that a FF is expected every couple of years and any coach with experience knows that’s impossible, how many more coaches will we run through. Folks, wake up! The problem wasn’t Billy G. Like him or not, he will probably end up somewhere and kick our butt down the road. The problem is with the insane requirements that the big money supporters of the program expect, both on and off the court.
The Big Blue Nation has blackened its own eye and it will probably take quite some time to heal. Don’t get your hopes up on any post season success in the near future.
Just an opinion of someone who has been around this program for over 40 years…take it as you may.
by Catfanfor over40 on Mar 28, 2009 10:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, I fat fingered the title...
Should have been “that I came across”
by Catfanfor over40 on Mar 28, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BullSHIT
No one ran Tubby anywhere. He changed jobs. He chose to do so.
UK averages 76% all-time. Tubby won 76% at UK.
UK averages 69% in NCAA. Tubby averaged 72%.
UK averages 1 NCAA title per 10 yrs. Tubby won 1 in 10 yrs.
UK averages 5 SEC title per 10 years. Tubby won 5 in 10 yrs.
UK averages 5 SECT championships per 10 yrs. Tubby won 5 in 10 yrs.
UK averages 30 W seasons 2X per 10 yrs. Tubby did it 2X in 10 yrs.
UK averages #1 ranking 2X per 10 yrs. Tubby did it 2X in 10 yrs.
And YES it is racist (what you said above). Perhaps you are, too.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 28, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ouch! When I said take it as you may...
I didn’t think that meant try and disparage me.
That aside, it appears that you pretty much got my point. That being the fact that although Tubby had the success you quote, why did he feel compelled to leave? I for one (being FAR from racist) supported him at UK until he left and I am glad to see he has moved on to a position where he seems happy and comfortable. If it weren’t for outside pressure, why wouldn’t he still be here? Obviously the performance figures you state indicate he was up to the task. However, as someone put it something like this yesterday, You can win 22 games a year at some places and they’re happy, but at UK it has to be the right 22 games. Tubby and Billy weren’t winning the RIGHT 22 or 25 or 30x games to appease a rabid fanbase. The main differnece being that T was given 10 years and BCG just 2.
Because of this, we are now the scourge of the sports media and maybe rightfully so.
I have no fights to pick with anyone on here and in fact find this site refreshing compared to the ESPN, SI and other blog sites I visit. I would say that probably because most of the fans who are on here are fairly level-headed and don’t have to resort to insulting others to get their point across.
As far as being a racist, I don’t care what color UK’s next coach is or where he’s from, but I know he will have a daunting task ahead. Not only in reviving a bruised basketball team, but a broken fan base as well. He will probably have to unfortunately have to kiss some hind-end with the “powers that be” unless the administration and AD grow some cojones.
by Catfanfor over40 on Mar 29, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He Left For The Same Reason Many Of Us Change Jobs
A better opportunity for him and his family.
Tubby won an average of 26 (not 22) games at year at UK.
He won 23 NCAA games in 10 years, including the right ones in 1998. And 1999, 2003, 2005 – just 1 short those years.
Tubby EARNED 10 years by being very successful except for his last 2 years.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 29, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This IS Going to Turn Out Badly for U.K....
KimberlyNicole and Catfan_forover40, I can’t helpe but agree with your assessments of this very bad situation in UK Basketball. I, personally, thought it strange that Coach G. didn’t sign a contract, but perhaps he knew this was going to happen?
At any rate, I really believe that Coach G. will end up somewhere as a major college b-ball coach, and I also truly believe that he will land somewhere where he will be able to kick U.K. in the backside and make it hurt! I trulky was sorry to see that the President and Athletic Director didn’t give him at least one more year to get the job done, and as I’ve said, I believe that this is colossally the wrong move for U.K. Basketball to make. I do believe, as Catfanfor_over40 and kimberlynicole have said, that this will haunt U.K. until the AD is replaced at the very least.
As far as who will coach next? It won’t be….
…Rick Pitino – he is adored at Louisville, and I believe that their program will have enough patience with him to continue on even if he fails to get to the Final Four or win a championship. Coach Pitino has already done some amazingly good things at U of L. that for them to fire him would be an even more greatly colossal of a mistake than U.K. letting go of Coach G.
…Coach Tom Izzo for the same reasons as above, save that Michigan State is the school.
…Coach Billy Donovan, and honestly, I hope that he isn’t given the offer. For all his good qualities as a coach, and having been a protege’ of Pitino, he’s been too long at Florida for my taste. Florida would likely more than sweeten any deal U.K. could offer.
…Coach Travis Ford, mostly because he’s only been one year at OSU, and likely will want more experience (but he did leave the Big Twelve as a player and come home, so one never knows).
We may get Calipari, but who really knows? We could end up with a hold-over uyntil this whirlwind blows over or the AD is fired himself….
"I will never leave you nor forsake you."
--Jesus Christ
by Blue_Tiger on Mar 29, 2009 3:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You said it all Tru,
when you said what a great way to start a weekend. UK is back on track to make hang another banner. Bad hire = AD’s fault. But he redeemed it somewhat by cutting his losses quick and moving forward. The right choice. Like Jay Bilas said, “What you’re going to do eventually, you ought to do immediately.”
On a side note: My rumor mongering wasn’t rumor after all.
by crewcat on Mar 29, 2009 8:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes it was.
A rumor can be true and still be a rumor. I shouldn’t have to explain that to you.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Mar 29, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Getting facts from someone who knows and telling you, even though I’m not a media credentialed reporter, isn’t rumor. Come on. You have a blog. You should know that 21st century reporting is done in blogs.
Either way…I told the truth and didn’t make it up. So, next time I give you the heads up you ought to take it to heart. No hard feelings. Looking forward to getting back to the NCAA next year aren’t you?
by crewcat on Mar 29, 2009 1:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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