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Moderation and The Fringe

One of the principal reasons I started this blog, and its predecessor on Blogspot, was to give voice to the thoughtful Kentucky contingent I was sure was out there lurking silently, reading and posting reasoned accounts of truth to fanaticism in the era of the Great Tubby Debate.

For the most part, my experiment has been a rousing success. Today this community boasts the most intellectually vibrant and consistently reasoned debate within the Big Blue Nation, and it's not even close. This heartens me, and I thank the stars that I stuck it out when times were tough (and when Tru was the only one responding to my drivel).

But in the last few days, I have been struck by the responses I have seen to the ongoing Gillispie debacle. I have seen more than a few commenters talking about the Athletic Director and school President as if they were leading the pitchfork-wielding mob toward the castle, Memorandum of Understanding aflame atop their red-fire torches.

The gist of the disagreement was that the Kentucky program was being unreasonable, that it was an embarrasing situation that, as fans of the program, and therefore of the coach, was an affront to those who saw the fringe taking the helm.

But times are very different now, and the Coach in the crosshairs now is neither the same as the one before, nor comparable in most ways. Tubby Smith was a victim as much of time and circumstance as anything. Ten years is an eternity anymore for a college coach in one locale, especially one as fervent as Lexington. And even Tubby has since admitted that it was time for a change. In some ways, for many of us UK "moderates," the Tubby Smith Debate was humbling. We lost, insomuch as there were winners and losers. And yet, in retrospect, while we kept our dignity, we may have been holding on too tightly to something that was approaching its fateful end. The Tubby energized in his coaching and recruiting up North is not the same guy who was trudging to work each day in 2006-2007.

We were trying, however nobly, to stem to tide of what we saw as a dangerous encroachment of true fanaticism into our beloved Wildcat Nation. It was as if, for a while, the Ron Paul crew had the inside track and it was we who would suffer. Things didn't work out exactly that way -- Tubby was already ready for his move, having looked into it as early as the December before -- and he was rewarded, rightly, for his overall good work on his way out door. The fringe claimed victory, but really it was just the forward momentum of things that won out in the end.

Now, though, I am not convinced that moderation is the answer. Big Blue Nation is again facing a crisis, but this time one with very visible differences.

It is entirely reasonable to say that two years is not enough time to accurately judge the coaching success of a new coach. From recruiting to establishing a new atmosphere, any coach usually deserves more time to make his mark. But there are greater things at play here, this time around, than simply coaching the game of basketball, and I'm not referring to the rumors, innuendo and outright lies of "off the court" shenanigans.

Billy Clyde Gillispie is what he is. He admitted as much last night, in a call-in radio show that displayed a very chastened Kentucky coach.

"I'm a hard-core guy," Gillispie said during his radio show on Thursday night. "I'm a very, very honest guy. Sometimes that comes across great. Sometimes it doesn't."

Whether the outside world wants to accept it or not, the Kentucky basketball coach is indeed a position greater than the sum of its parts. Part coach, part idol, part object of derision and scorn, for right and wrong the position is one that requires an outsized personality and a rare combination of skills. Adolph Rupp set the standard, Joe B. Hall found his stride, Eddie Sutton wilted, Rick Pitino thrived and Tubby Smith endured. But Gillispie has bristled, bent under the weight of giant expectations. There exists a very real chance that he is, quite simply, not up to the overall job of being the leader of the program. This doesn't make him a bad person, a loser, or some sort of martyr. It just makes him a man ill-suited to a particular place and time.

But these are very real parts of the job, parts that Gillispie steadfastly (and stubbornly) maintained he was not obligated to fulfill, much to the surprise, I am guessing, of his bosses.

As the Herald-Leader reported three weeks ago just before the SEC tournament, when a reporter suggested that the UK basketball coach has greater public responsibilities than just coaching, Gillispie responded:

"That wasn't on the job description. ...You can be as public as you want to be and not win enough games. ... It makes no difference.

"You start trying to be a celebrity ... you definitely are going to lose focus. That's just not going to be a very good solution to the problem."

While the coach has a point on winning games, he remains steadfastly wrong if he thinks that somehow he can avoid those other parts of the job.

Herald-Leader columnist Mark Story penned a good piece today about the reality of the non-basketball factors leading up to this moment. Among his comments, Story noted that the national media -- which seemingly loves to stick the knife in a little deeper on UK than it does on similarly blue-blood programs -- will inevitably write the "win-at-all-costs" story, perpetuating the myth it still believes and promulgates about Tubby Smith being "forced out" (to the tune of over a million dollars in a bonus honored, it should be noted...):

Which is why, my national media colleagues, if UK is about to make a coaching change, there's more going on here than just hoops-crazy Kentucky and its win-at-all-costs mentality.

All of this is not to say that keeping Gillispie would be a mistake. I think given the personnel set to return and arrive next season, things would look much rosier this offseason than each of the last two.

But if the man sometimes referred to simply as Clyde still believes that media savvy is not part of his job description, or that representing the school in many small and distracting ways is not going to be a major part of his life for as long as he is coach -- wins or no -- then what will have changed except his overall win-loss total? What would continuing with a man who refuses to accept the undeniable elements of his position truly set the program, the university and the man himself up for except eventual collapse?

As a fan very adamant (and outspoken) in my belief that Kentucky fans are, however loyal and true, often wrong-headed in their overzealous nature, I often cringe at the fringe as they make their petitions and sell their motto-emblazoned mesh novelty hats. But there comes a time when moderation for moderation's sake is simply trying to play nice, and potentially being wishful and even naive in the face of clear evidence.

I am reminded, as I often am, of a famous quote, and one which I generally disagree with, but which seems oddly applicable, or at least educational at this time.

"I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!"

Those were the words of Barry Goldwater accepting the Republican nomination opposite Lyndon Johnson in 1964 in advance of an election that would come to be one of the largest blowouts in electoral history. And yet, he and his supporters eventually shaped the face of modern politics from that ash heap, culminating in the Reagan revolution.

Ignoring the political debate entirely, are we, the Big Blue Nation, now faced with a situation where moderation in pursuit of protecting an embattled man is no virtue?

And if we choose extremism, and change coaches, do we stand the chance of suffering the inevitable round boo-ing from the punditry and even our more cautious selves, but with the chance to shape a new destiny?

Question abound. And answers are forever the domain of history.

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No One Supported Tubby More Than Me

But I sent Mitch B a note this week in support of Gillispie getting more than 2 years to show what he can do.

I acknowledged to him that I don’t have all the facts (that he does) but still, 2 years is simply not enough time to judge Yea or Nay.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 27, 2009 11:21 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Forty, where do you stand on the idea that BCG is not suitable here because he is indelicate with the media,

How much stock do you put in that argument? “Too rough and rude to be the ambassador of the country’s greatest collegiate basketball program?”

I agree with those who say it looks like BCG will have winning teams down the road, given another year or two, and I would be happy to see him get the chance. I really have very little doubt about this. I also fear that cutting him loose after one year of missing the NCAA tourney looks fanatical, and exposes us to the legitimate scorn of the Vitales of the world. Last year SEC Coach of the Year, this year, “Take your 22 wins and get the hell out.”

On the other hand, I also agree with those who say BCG has looked oafish and Jim Calhoun-ish in dealing with the media, especially when he is under stress, and I have always thought his public speaking left him seeming a little backwards, and just not too damned bright. There is a difference between “country lawyer” and “country bumpkin.” Our commonwealth’s reputation is perhaps not well served by having the state’s highest paid employee regularly using non-standard English and stilted syntax.

Even his swipe at Jeanine was goofy: “That’s a bad question.” What does that even mean, a “bad” question? Had he been able to say what he really meant, he would have seemed less rude: “Jeanine, I appreciate your point that our highest scoring player is not having a high scoring game, but we have 19 other guys on this team, and every one of them has assignments and capabilities that he has to live up to. At halftime, we’re going to focus on all aspects of our game, not just trying to have our highest scorer get more points.”

If that is too cerebral and unrealistically gentile in the heat of the moment, he might even have said, “I think it’s a little shallow and naive to think our problems in this game are one player’s fault, Jeanine. We’ve all got to do better. Let’s not focus on one player just because he’s below his average.” That would have made his point without making it seem that our coach was rude and snippy and not too glib.

He seems to think he should just rely on platitudes in radio call-in shows or press conferences, and rarely offers legitimate insight to the fans — and he generally does it in what cannot be said to be polished English. Pitino’s accent always bothered me, but he was always glib and engaging, only evasive and vanilla when he was deliberately trying not to give away state secrets. With BCG, he never seems to offer anything beyond, “It was a hard-fought game in which we made mistakes, and we will try to get better.”

To me, questions about why player X is getting more or fewer minutes are NOT answered by, “That’s a coach’s decision.” No sh*t, Sherlock! We all KNOW it was a coach’s decision; that’s why we’re asking the coach to explain it to deserving and starving fans.

What’s your take on that aspect of BCG’s job, Forty?

by Ken Pomeroy on Mar 27, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Stand Here

He desrves more than 2 years to show what he can do.

Pure and simple.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 27, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Forty

Are you saying “the decision is primarily about W’s & L’s” or are you saying that the personality/abrasiveness stuff also deserves more time?

by Gobe Igbloo on Mar 27, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Both

2 years is not enough time.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 27, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pure and simple.

It’s pure and simple alright….simple minded.

To take a stubborn chance that one needs to give a coach, or a manager, or an administrator a minimal amount of time regarless of perfomance is weak minded. Sorry, but I see it as an out to make a logical argument. C’mon, Forty, you can do better to explain your position.

I’ve commented before that it is important to ‘see around corners’. Certainly, there were current issues that were concerning. But most problematic was seeing the trend and acknowledging that Billy couldn’t or wouldn’t change, I give kudos to both Todd and Barnhart in making this decision on the trend, if you will. That type of decision is much more difficult then acting on current state. Good for them.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Mar 28, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

2 Years Is Not Enough Time To Evaluate A Coach

Look at Coach K at Duke. Ben Howland at UCLA. Plenty of others.

2 years was not enough but the Other Issues became too strong to overlook.

Barnhart is a terrible AD. Jurich kicks his butt every day, twice on Sunday.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 28, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Forty:

Then I guess this is proof that your influence isn’t all that great, huh? :)

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Mar 28, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Influence?

I stated Where I Stand, My Opinion that’s all.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 28, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mitch to blame

I fault Mitch Barnhart…..BCG is the same now as he was at the other two schools…He is a good coach..he just can’t handle the PR……well for 2.5 million Mitch should have checked his choice out a little more. Now we are in this fiasco….Having to hurt a good man..Uk should pay 6mmilion for Mitch’s error……Why is no one calling for his resignation…Jay Bilas said today it was inexcusable to fire a coach after 2 years…he felt that is on KY. ……Now it will be interesting to see how far the program is set back again…. with another change,,,Poor Jody wil have had 3 coaches….It is sad for the players….

by fanforlife on Mar 27, 2009 11:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This pretty much describes my feelings. I believe Coach Gillispie is a good coach and probably

a fine man (I don’t personally know him). So, if he hasn’t been able to assimilate into the UK culture, that has to be on the AD simply because the Coach is the same man now that he was before if the reports are to be believed. Did the AD think you could throw money at a leopard and convince him to change his spots? So, to quote fanforlife, the program may now be in the position of hurting a good coach and a good man. That ought to cost $6 mil. For my part, I’ll be a UK fan likely forever, but I’m terribly disappointed that we are at this place. Hindsight is 20/20, but this should have been easily avoided if the homework had been completed, and the results reviewed through a prism of reality.

by bluegrassgal on Mar 27, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

John Clay's sidelines.......

Check out his site. There are some good links………..especially one with a Joe B interview that touches on what Tru wrote.

Excellent write up Tru!

by slidemank on Mar 27, 2009 11:39 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This is JL, not Tru ;-)

Seriously people, read the by-lines! ;-)

I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra

by JLeverenz on Mar 27, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

go get 'em...

Tru er, Ken, sorry JL…. ;-)

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Mar 27, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So sorry JL.........

Tis a compliment to you though because the writing reminded me of Tru. Very insightful indeed! Sorry again……..

by slidemank on Mar 27, 2009 11:41 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

In my defense........

I didn’t work today and didn’t have my coffee this morning 8^ )

by slidemank on Mar 27, 2009 11:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm reminded of something my college band director would always say

In talking about potential new additions to the band, he would often counsel that “Not everyone is right for Tiger bands, and Tiger bands are not right for everyone.” I have found that to be wise advice, applicable in many, many situations.

It could be that BCG is not right for UK basketball and UK basketball is not right for BCG. As you said JL, that doesn’t make Gillispie a bad person or a bad coach and it doesn’t mean that the standards for UK basketball are crazy or unrealistic (I mean, they could be but not for that reason!).

That said, I still believe BCG can thrive here. I don’t believe that expectations for what the head coach represents are so set in stone that a Pitino-type personality is the only way to satisfy them. I think the diversity of personality could be good for both the program and the fans. That is not to assuage BCG of any responsibility in dealing with the press – there is a basic level of decency that should be expected of anyone regardless of their job, but it is possible to be decent to reporters even if you’re not comfortable with them.

Many people have attested to how gracious Billy is in public with the fans, signing every autograph, posing for every picture, and taking time to discuss the team and basketball. This is the same guy that spontaneously donated $10K to a cancer fund raiser and helped a complete stranger make it to her father’s funeral. That is someone worth keeping in the program.

I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra

by JLeverenz on Mar 27, 2009 11:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, good piece

It has been said a lot that if he was winning it wouldn’t be an issue. Thats funny how that works isn’t it.

by bluetothebone on Mar 27, 2009 12:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I would still have the same criticisms I voiced above.

And were I the AD, I would try to get them addressed.

I would also keep the man as our Head Coach.

I do agree that many, many others would accept BCG’s public relations warts without comment so long as he were taking us to the Final Four every other year or so. Unfortunately, I think half the fans would be okay with ten grand in a Fed Ex package if it meant another banner.

by Ken Pomeroy on Mar 27, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm

Deals with the devil are always tempting. But yes, I think a lot of fans would be willing to foot the $10,000 if it meant another banner.

by ben-p on Mar 27, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Keep that in mind when considering Calipari

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Mar 28, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It Wasn't Fed Ex

I forget which one it was.

I hope UK never cheats again, regardless.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 27, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Emery Express... i think

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Mar 27, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with Forty.

But Vince,please don’t ever say those horrible words (E_____ Ex____) again!

Oh, the humanity!

by Ken Pomeroy on Mar 27, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He can't even be graded on this so far.

In all this mess, I can guarantee only one thing: when he was hired, he was told that his chief concern was getting Kentucky basketball back to its rightful place among the elite.

When he wasn’t able to make personal appearances last year due to recruiting obligations, then everyone understood it was more important to be on the road hustling up recruits than to be pressing the flesh at some rubber chicken dinner.

It has only become an issue in the last two months because this team struggled. So what if he hasn’t named a Board of Directors for the Billy G. Foundation yet. The previous coach spent more time on his social engineering attempts then he did impressing the people who really make this program successful – the players. And we all know how that worked out.

Coach Gillispie deserves to be called onto the carpet for a couple of his comments. At this point, no one knows how he will respond to off court responsibilities in the future.

Make no mistake. Jay Bilas’ comments will not be the last. Perception is everything and the perception that has been created concerning the Big Blue Nation is that we are vicious and hateful and unrealistic. This continuing mess only serves to feed that perception.

by jbt36 on Mar 27, 2009 12:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This is well said.

From Coach of the Year to “What the hell is wrong with you, Tex? Take your 22 wins and hit the road.”

Fanatical and unrealistic.

by Ken Pomeroy on Mar 27, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does Billy Deserve Justice or Mercy?

Justice is giving someone exactly what one deserves. So Billy must go for falling short of expectations on and off the court.

Mercy is NOT giving someone a derserved negative consequence. So Billy is given another year to change and begin meeting expectations.

Grace is giving someone an underserved positive consequence. So Billy is given an immediate raise.

If justice was served, maybe Billy should be fired. But who among us is not in need of mercy?

by catmax on Mar 27, 2009 12:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Moderates

This was a thoughtful post and I thought Mark Story’s article this morning was good also.

by chicagoblues on Mar 27, 2009 12:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Insubordination

Don’t get me wrong, I would like to see Billy get another chance, but:
When BCG made the “It’s not in my job description” statement at the SEC tournament, after MB had made statements about the UK basketball coach being a representative of the University of Kentucky, that could have easily been seen as insubordination. This would give UK administration a reason for dismissal “with cause” and possibly negate any buyouts.

by Bluebarn on Mar 27, 2009 12:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

As much as I hate the successes of Roy Williams and Coach K on the court, I cannot help but be impressed with the fact that they ALWAYS stress that their job is to mould young men into good men and good citizens through the medium of sport.

Yes, they want to win, but in their public pronouncements they consistently speak like fathers and professors and ambassadors of their respective universities, and fully understand that the job transcends X’s and O’s. You are nuts if you think parents of recruits don’t see that attitude — it makes a difference on and off the court.

Though he was a disciple of Bobby Knight, the only time I can remember Coach K being rude was twenty years ago when he said, “F_ ck you, Dean” during a game to Dean Smith when Smith was whining about some non-call (and heaven help me, I loved it so at the time).

I don’t know that “It’s not in my job description” suggests that BCG has this same world view.

by Ken Pomeroy on Mar 27, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bravo

This is exactly why I come ‘here’: reasoned discourse and respectful debate. I visit the KSR blog often for their content, but don’t venture into the comments there very often.

I won’t belabor the point too much, but I agree that this is all precipitous, like getting divorced after 6 months because one’s spouse hogs the covers. I’d also like us all to remember that, for the most part, we got exactly the coach we wanted/asked for (‘we’ being the fan base as a whole). BCG is pretty reflective of the Big Blue Nation (again, as a whole), and maybe this whole thing should be cause for introspection. For example, see the calls for ‘if he’s fired, they’d better be ready to name a new coach immediately’.

by Mahatma on Mar 27, 2009 12:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Excellent Post

I tend to support one more year. I would think almost anyone would need time to figure this thing out. The fact is, that in their own way both Rick and Tubby spoiled us.

I would hope (and have emailed the AD on this) that maybe we need to render a little more time and OJT to this guy. I still think the roster was WAY short, and some other supports maybe not in place. I myself have employed folks that I had to teach how to “play nice” out in the community…..

by JKW19742004 on Mar 27, 2009 12:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

WKYT

just reported a meeting is set this afternoon between Todd, Barnhart, and G. They said it’s a good bet we’ll know what’s going on soon afterward……..

by slidemank on Mar 27, 2009 12:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Why is there nothing on the WKYT website about this?

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on Mar 27, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully this is true and holds up. The sheer volume of people being held in limbo by all this – players, recruits and their parents, fans, administrators, etc. – is quite ridiculous.

by Wats on Mar 27, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Insanity

Someone make it stop.

by btcoop71 on Mar 27, 2009 12:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Serenity now, Serenity now

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Mar 27, 2009 12:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Serenity Now

Insanity Later…….

by btcoop71 on Mar 27, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice pice Tru

Just like Mahatma, this is exactly why I love A S of B: great thought provoking pieces that cut through the BS and get to the root of the matter.

It’s true that Billy G has shirked away from his responsibilities off of the court, but didn’t Barnhart see this coming? this is what has been so frustrating for me. We knew what we were getting when Billy was hired: a ‘hardcore’ coach. So why in the world was he hired in the first place if we knew this was coming?

by ukwildcatfan40 on Mar 27, 2009 12:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You mean JL.

But I’m sure he appreciates your comment. :-)

And for the record, I agree with you about JL’s piece.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Mar 27, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We Think JL = Tru (In A Parallel Universe)

They jump back-n-forth via wormholes, I think.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 27, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait, has anyone ever seen JL and Tru in the same place at the same time?

I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra

by JLeverenz on Mar 27, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not even me...

… never met the guy in person. Odd, huh?

The Heart & Mind of the Big Blue Nation ...

by JL Blue on Mar 27, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's seen you........

…..look behind you….

by btcoop71 on Mar 27, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have...

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Mar 27, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree nice post "JL"

IT seems as though the ones with the purse strings have passed judgement and I don’t think anyone would argue that Clyde is alittle rough around the edges. … he’s the one who has steered his coaching car down this road … I think it will be tough on the team – I agree 2 years is not enough … but, if you’re a true fan you don’t turn your back on the team – in spite of this disastorous season – these guys have given me my money’s worth and I’ll be just as enthusiastic next year. Hope for the best, Go Cats.

by ukcris on Mar 27, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well said.

UK fans are supposed to be fanatical. Where did you come from? This is way too reasonable.

by Ken Pomeroy on Mar 27, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting well written piece

Billy admits without apology that he is a “hard core guy” who is “very,very honest”. No matter how you slice it, Mr Barnhart had knowledge(or should have) of who Billy was when he hired him. It appears to be crystal clear that it was/is Mr Barnhart who needs educating on the demands of the UK Basketball Head Coach.

So, if I understand your point Billy apparently wasn’t the fit that UK was really looking for
despite their commitment when they hired him. Perhaps it may appear extreme, but it is now time to cut UK’s loses of mishandling of the hire 2 years ago.

It also appears that UK wants it both ways. They want a person who think and lives basketball 24/7, but they want it done their way. In other words, Billy can no longer be Billy.

I guess that is why there are buyouts! However in my opinion, UK will deserve the many negative hits it will take from the national media. However, the remaining players deserve better. The fallout from dismissing Billy G. after 2 years will rain down like it has never rained before, especially from the recruiting point of view. It will be extreme

by blue oregon on Mar 27, 2009 1:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

24/7 Basketball

Rupp didn’t (owned a farm). Hall didn’t (love to fish). Sutton didn’t (maybe not the best example). Pitino didn’t (horse raching, Italian restaurant). Tubby didn’t (his Tubby Cares foundation, etc).

Billy G shouldn’t be 24/7 basketball, either.

John Wooden WASN’T and he’s the best ever.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 27, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Funny.

I don’t care what he does with his time or how unbalanced he is. That’s a personal choice we are all entitled to make, and while some might speculate it is indicative of madness, I don’t necessarily agree.

Balance is better, but it’s his life.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Mar 27, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He Has The RIGHT To Do That

But no other basketball coach is 24/7 basketball only.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 27, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Forty

My point is that Billy G is expected to bring this program back to the top. I agree 24/7 is not healthy. However, in order to get this program back to the top UK encourages Billy to be available at all times.

Billy’s personality seems to fit right in with this demand. At times Billy comes off as “very,very honest” and media inept because he has got his nose to the grindstone “working” on what he feels will make UK the best possible team he can make it.

Billy expects the same out of himself as he does his players “work harder”.

by blue oregon on Mar 27, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I respectfully disagree...

with Wooden being the best ever. He is a great coach and by all accounts a God-fearing and respectful man. However, he virtually ran a professional team on a college campus due to the vast amounts of money spread around to get the best recruits every year. I understand that they still had to win games once they arrived and he still had to coach. But in most cases more than half the battle was getting them into the program to begin with.

And I think after he passes this will be discussed more than it has been to this point.

If your only measuring stick is wins and losses and championships, he might be considered the best ever, but I think if you consider the circumstances it does much damage to that label.

by jbt36 on Mar 27, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No Doubt Whatsoever

Better than 80% overall (only 4 Div I coaches have career number like that EVER) and better than 80% in NCAA games (only 1 Div I coach – HIM – has done that).

13 FF (1 at Ind St), 10 NCAA titles in 31 year career.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 27, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

BTW UK Cheated Extensively In 1940's - 50's And 70's - 80's

The NCAA titles in 1948-49-51 and 1978 fall into that timeframe. Same thing could be said about UK then.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 27, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it is safe to say...

that virtually every big-time program cheated to some extent in the early years simply because it was difficult to get caught. And we paid the price repeatedly. UCLA and John Wooden never had to pony up for the piper.

by jbt36 on Mar 27, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Without Much Doubt

Many of them still cheat today.

I’m glad Uk doesn’t.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 27, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So Did / Does Pitino

Not sure about the wine but I presume, given his Italian heritage.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 27, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not Even Close

If you ever met Tubby face-2-face in 1-on-1 setting, you’d know his best personaility trait.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 27, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Forty

Respectfully. Different Eras

by blue oregon on Mar 27, 2009 1:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Different Eras?

Tubby was 1998-2007 and still active. Pitino is active now.

24/7 of ANYTHING isn’t healthy for ANYONE.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 27, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

Overwork actually makes people less effective. 24/7 does not allow for perspective. Some boneheaded moves this year could be attributed to overwork.

by Fortunatus on Mar 27, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

John Wooden best what..?

Cheater..?

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Mar 27, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Best Coach Ever

Regardless of that, he still had to coach ’em.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 27, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great Perspective

I can argue this case both cases: he deserves a year to show improvement, or remove the cancer now. Either course is risky. There is no clear, single “right” answer.

If Gillispie has been asked repeatedly and pointedly to represent the university in a more positive manner, and if he has defied the authorities making those requests, then he is insubordinate and grossly so. Maybe Gillispie has never been happy here, as Story’s column suggested, so he is setting up a “my way or the highway” confrontation, that results in him walking.

Its a very messy, unfortuante situation, one that calls for megabytes of moderation and tons of tolerance. At some point, we will need to bury the hatchets and face next’s season’s schedule.

by Fortunatus on Mar 27, 2009 1:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Argues facts not in evidence...

If indeed the AD can produce multiple instances of Coach Gillispie being told in no uncertain terms that he must do this or that, I can’t honestly see any reason to let him go. Talk to him? Sure. Get some assurance this won’t be an issue going forward? Absolutely. But send him packing? No way.

Regardless of the spin from the university, it will be because he failed to produce a sunny disposition for everyone who crossed his path AND he didn’t win more games this season. And in the MSM (ESPN, Fox Sports) it will be protrayed in only one way.

by jbt36 on Mar 27, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Cringe at the Fringe"

I think that’s the name of a band on my oldest son’s I-Pod.

Great and extremely well written post JL. I, like the majority (it seems) on this site, believe that BG deserves another year to prove his coaching chops. However, I then remember just how disorganized, unmotivated, and downright unwatchable this year’s team was (or at least seemed), and I find myself wondering whether the team’s performance (and truly inexplicable losses to such teams as Gardner Webb and Georgia) was due— in large part—to a stubborn coach who, at the end of the day, was simply in over his head.

For those with a half full glass, Billy G has amassed back-to-back 20 in seasons.

For those with a glass half empty, Billy G has coached this team to a multitude of new lows, including losses in a season, losses at home, losses to teams with substantially less talent, and a failure— for the first time since probation- to make the NCAA tournament.

Whatever the outcome, let’s hope that brighter days are on our Blue Horizon.

by tooblue on Mar 27, 2009 1:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

18 and 22...

… actually 18 wins last year and 22 this year, but point taken regardless.

The Heart & Mind of the Big Blue Nation ...

by JL Blue on Mar 27, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ciphering was never...

my strong point. However, the two years at least average out to 20 wins per season, right?

by tooblue on Mar 27, 2009 2:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't know you JL

But if I hadn’t read the by-line, I would have bet that Tru was writing. Great read.

by oldcat70 on Mar 27, 2009 2:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well ...

… he is my mentor! :-)

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Mar 27, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That reminds me

JL said He started this great place. What happened and why?

by oldcat70 on Mar 27, 2009 2:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

IIRC

JL started it and had real life commitments that interfered with running the blog to his satisfaction, Tru took over as managing editor. And here we are today.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Mar 27, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

100%.

… I have never regretted for one second that decision.

My personal commitments were principally my now- 2-year-old son.

The Heart & Mind of the Big Blue Nation ...

by JL Blue on Mar 27, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kermit the frog..

for coach…hes a puppet isnt he??? Big boosters and admin can control him as they wish…great hire.

Hey Mitch, dont destroy Kentucky basketball!!

by Magnoliacat on Mar 27, 2009 2:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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