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When we start to pass around the blame, let's blame ourselves too.

I can't wait to start reading it.  "Gillispie this, Gillispie that".  "I as a fan have the right to criticize" (which you certainly do, by the way, just remember to criticize yourself a little as well).  I grew up under the understanding that Rupp Arena was the most feared place to play in college hoops and this was simply not debatable.  All you have to do is look at Pitino's home winning percentage and to a certain extent, Tubby's.  But as the Tubby era progressed, Rupp seemed to die down a bit, becoming at times more like a Wimbledon match with people only cheering after a basket or a good play.  ( I am sure Forty can and will supply statistics that would show the winning percentages between the coaches weren't that different). So, I am by no means blaming this on Tubby, I am, however, blaming this directly on the fans themselves. 

Fast forward to now and Rupp still is a very frightening place to play, only now it applies to our own team.  6 of our 11 losses were at home this year in very closely contested games (definition: game determined by 10 pts or less), games that had a a DUKE like crowd been present, maybe we could have motivated them into the W column.  Jodie Meeks stats were simply  much better on the road (See for yourself here).  His only "major" scoring games at home this year were against VMI, ApState and TSU.  Several announcers spoke of the pressures on the Cats to perform at home in front of such "demanding" fans.  We all remember the boos at a certain half-time.  We all also know the relatively low hum that seemed to float through the venue whenever the boys were down and probably needed help the most. I would argue that there has been a wholesale sea change of attitude in UK basketball fandom over the last decade and it effects our team as much as any other factor you want to attribute to the demise of this season.

It only takes one viewing of a Duke game to understand why the torch has been passed to Cameron Indoor as most frightning arena in College Hoops.  Young, enthusiastic students cheering like crazy for their team are right on top of the court.  It overflows with positive vibes.  Conversely, it only takes one viewing of a UK game to notice that the students are hard to find (I know,I was one of them, sadly a decade ago now!) most of us were up in the second level while the dominant color around the court is a grey (and getting greyer) and a sort of fleshy scalp color. 

Where am I going with this? First, it should be understood that this team belongs to the current students of the University of Kentucky more than it belongs to any of the rest of us.  They ALL need to be seated up front (not just in certain sections).   It doesn't look like a healthy fan base when the avg. age of court side fans are in their 50's (no stats, just guestimating).  Second, I firmly believe the sense of entitlement (of an older UK fan who has lived through the good times) when piled on with age leads to a negativity  when things head south.  This in turn leads to a very negative experience for the students, who are already sitting behind and above said angry fan.  An 18 year old freshman at UK was between eight and nine years old the last time UK won a national championship.  He or she has no direct sense of entitlement, at most only an inherited one.  They just want to cheer for their school with all of their hearts.  They are the ones that make College Hoops fun, not you, grumpy, aging UK fan who may or may not have any direct affiliation with the University other than your season ticket purchase. 

Basically what I am saying is that you in the front row, complaining about your team and coach, pining for the past, booing at halftimes, remember there is a student somewhere above you who is watching.  They would not only would love to be in your seat cheering for THEIR school and the players THEY have classes with, but they are also watching YOU and your reactions. They have no prior knowledge of UK basketball tradition other than their current experiences. YOU are the torchbearer.  What kind of tradition are you passing on?

  There is plenty of blame to be passed around this year, but let's not forget to blame ourselves a little as well.

 

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you on these points, having the students closer to the floor might not be the answer. While the students bring some excitement to the arena, they are guilty of being fickle as well. I will never forget the chants of “Legion! Legion!” that rang down in early December of last season. Our coach had been here less than six months and 19 and 20 year olds were already telling him who he needed to play.

As a whole, I think the BBN needs to take a step back and realize we are not as “knowledgeable” as we think. Just because you are Kentucky fan doesn’t mean you understand everything about the game of basketball. I suggest we instead call ourselves “passionate”, simply because no knowledge is required.

I understand the people who sit in the high-dollar seats have paid for the right to be there. What someone in Lexington needs to do it begin hosting black tie affairs to coincide with all UK home games. That way the people who just want to be seen at a social event will have a choice.

by jbt36 on Mar 26, 2009 11:35 AM EDT reply actions  

I firmly believe that the students are what makes college basketball special

and if they want to be fickle… it’s their right, it’s their school. I’d much rather listen to them than look at a bunch of rich, middle aged people in blue around the court . I might as well be watching a Memphis Grizzlies game. At times, that how excited they seem.

I need a Sea of Blue because I am surrounded by Tennessee orange!

by sleepytimetea on Mar 26, 2009 12:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Quality Of Product

You make one good point, i.e. student seating could be improved as to their proximity to floor and the youthful and innovative energy that it would provide. Other than that I find much with which to contend: comparing a venue such as Cameron Indoor with its miniscule capacity to Rupp Arena is illogical and most particularly in economic concerns; the assertion that the program belongs to the students is hyperbolic at best, imbecilic at worst, the status of UK BB - granted it has been diminished considerably in last decade - was built on generations of devotion and commitment and it will be rebuilt on same underpinnings. But the big divide between you and me is your inference that lack of fan support from the stands is a significant contributor to the program’s demise, you have firmly placed the proverbial cart before the horse. The quality of the product UK has placed on the floor and - perhaps currently more important — on television has steadily declined vis a vis other elite programs. Fans, UK fans in particular, are not so blinded by loyalty as to not recognize the dearth of talent recently foisted upon them. That the BBN continues to support as it does is actually quite surprising and exceedingly complementary and can be attributed to near-genetic loyalty.

by Wild Weasel on Mar 26, 2009 4:39 PM EDT reply actions  

speaking of illogical and imbecilic

I would argue that if you don’t think fans matter, why don’t we play every game on the road from now on? Why do we bring high school recruits to Rupp if the atmosphere doesn’t count? Are we just showing them what section their parents would sit in with their season tickets? I wasn’t comparing the financial implications of UK switching back to a small venue i.e. Memorial, simply making a point that Rupp used to be a hell of a lot more frightening to our opponents than it seems to be these days. Cameron indoor now is the venue most feared by opponents… out of DUKE’s six regular season losses this year, only one was at home, to UNC. That venue consistently helps them over achieve, much like Rupp did for our Cats when Pitino was just getting started. Don’t tell me that the attitude surrounding the DUKE program isn’t the reason they get the recruits they do… meanwhile we are running a coach out of town… and potentially all of our recruits for next year. You tell me where you’d consider if you had your choice? UK fans may not be blinded by the lack of talent but they sure are blinded by the implications to our immediate future and the general attitude of the country towards Lexington right now. No, when I speak of Cameron Indoor vs. Rupp, I am speaking solely about the attitude of the fans (and I certainly know that not all of our fans are obnoxious, but the vocal minority is unbearably loud right now)… Oh and if you don’t think that the students are the most entitled fans of the program, who is? You never say… just something about underpinnings and commitment of some random generic beings? I really pity your point of view as UK basketball means so much more to a Wildcat student than to Casual Joe and his Tuesdays and Saturdays. To a student, UK basketball represents everything they do from the time they wake up until the time they go to bed. Lastly, I really don’t appreciate your insults and tone. The only thing imbecilic is your use of the word while referencing my opinion. You can make your argument sound as educated as you want and I definitely would have read with delight even if I didn’t agree. But when you start to insult people for stating their opinion on a program that means a lot to them (4 year degree and 9 family members with degrees), your intelligence is shown for what it really is, and that is illogical and imbecilic.

I need a Sea of Blue because I am surrounded by Tennessee orange!

by sleepytimetea on Mar 26, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Once Upon A Time

I was once one of those students you describe, standing in line to gain admission to Memorial Coliseum, standing throughout the game, yelling continuously, hardly able to make it through a day of classes due to anticipation of the game, but upon graduation I didn’t become the “Casual Joe” you described, hardly, instead I spent the next 50 years closely and passionately following the Cats in places all over the globe and in the stands when I could. I can assure you the BBN contains many, many more citizens than those few thousand students who for four or fewer years gather in Rupp. They include many, many more who never had the privilege of attending their beloved University, perhaps due to financial circumstances or other responsibilities but are fans nevertheless. To accuse them of being something less is arrogant and, yes, imbecilic. As for the vocal minority, do you suppose they have legitimate reasons to be critical when they see the program they so passionately support descend into a morass of mediocrity? Fans of all ages, genders, social strata, demographics deserve more. Finally, as to the Cameron Crazies, put the same quality of talent and team on that floor as has been on the Rupp floor in recent years and you’ll see far less enthusiasm and exceedingly greater critical behavior.

by Wild Weasel on Mar 26, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think I described YOU as "Casual Joe"

and I don’t intend to insult him either. But I stand firmly behind the fact that a university’s riches lie in its students. You have answered none of my questions, used the word “imbecilic” again and again it has cheapened whatever argument that you are trying to make, other than that I am an arrogant, illogical imbecile. It truly is great that people throughout the whole state, even the country that matter can relate to and appreciate Kentucky basketball. I am a proud Kentuckian and understand that not everyone can afford the opportunity to attend there. That doesn’t cheapen the fact that the University still belongs to the students. That is why it is called the “University of Kentucky Wildcats” and not just the Kentucky Wildcats. The term “University” signifies an institution that requires membership. There are many people across the world that are fans of America, but that does not make them American does it? Before you go and say what I know you want to, realize that I am not saying for one instance that you must be a student/alum to have a valid opinion. I am saying that CURRENT students should enjoy the right sit up front and root for their team because it is THEIR school. They attend the classes, they organize the pep rallies, they have classes with Jodie and Perry. It is not my school or your school anymore and if I had courtside tickets, I would gladly sacrifice them for an on court student section. Your attempt to play to the poor is to quote you, illogical at best, and imbecilic at worst. Never did I say one thing degrading about them, or did the lack of finance of a fan or prospective student ever come up. But speaking of money, I would argue that some of the poorest people I’ve known in my life were students, who for some reason you seem to begrudge. Your attempt at populism and playing to the poor is weak and if you feel better by playing Robin Hood and defending those whom I never mocked to begin with, good for you. You truly are a hero. You have insulted me four times now, “illogical, imbecilic twice and arrogant”, but who is really arrogant? Your condescending tone has been apparent from line one and you still have offered nothing worthy of conversation nor answered any of my questions. You just created some saga about the rich vs. poor and called me arrogant. They must have stopped teaching that method of debate at Kentucky by the time I started school. Also, this is Duke’s first trip back to the sweet sixteen in a few years, they haven’t been exactly burning up the tournament lately either. You can reply however you like to this. I am pretty sure I know how it will read so I am considering myself done with this post. This conversation has nothing positive left to offer Kentucky basketball or this blog.

I need a Sea of Blue because I am surrounded by Tennessee orange!

by sleepytimetea on Mar 27, 2009 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent Post

IMHO, you are right on every count. Booing your own team and coach (in a collegiate setting) is never OK, and every arena I have been in with students on the floor has been loud, raucous, and intimidating.

by The Lexpatriate on Mar 26, 2009 6:10 PM EDT reply actions  

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