UK 67, Notre Dame 77: Typical Kentucky
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Two-minutes and three seconds remaining in UK's 77-67 loss to Notre Dame; Kentucky down five points after rallying from 17 down behind Jodie Meeks' hot hand. Michael Porter passes to the wing to an "unpressured" Perry Stevenson.
Turnover. Game over. Typical of this year's most disappointing of UK seasons.
In a game that was close through the first 10 minutes, over the last 10 minutes of the first half, UK's barrage of turnovers helped create some breathing room for the hot shooting Irish. Enough room in fact to ensure a victory over the defense-less 'Cats.
Nine-minutes of lame defense, and turnovers, cost the 'Cats a trip to New York.
Typical of this year's most disappointing of UK seasons.
Typical Defense
Speaking of the "hot shooting Irish:" Going into the game UK had to know that Notre Dame relies on the three-point shot, yet "wide-open" would be an understatement of mammoth proportions in describing the Irish's looks at the basket. Perimeter defense was requisite if UK was to have any chance at victory, but, as has been the rule over the last six to eight weeks, Kentucky's inability to man-up on the shooter cost them yet another ballgame.
Typical of this year's most disappointing of UK seasons.
A lack of competent transition defense allowed Notre Dame to take full advantage of UK's 10 turnovers. The stat line reads as follows: Notre Dame - 17 points off 10 UK turnovers, UK - two-points off six Irish turnovers.
Typical of this year's most disappointing of UK seasons.
Typical Perry Stevenson
Perry Stevenson -- What do I say and still be able to write for a Sea of Blue?
I've never encountered a more enigmatic player who "performed" for UK. One thinks he's turned the corner onto "Competent Street," and then he produces possibly one of the most listless efforts I've ever witnessed in a big game, by a player wearing blue and white.
It's been that way all year: Stevenson will have a few decent games, then disappear for two weeks. He'll even have the occasional great game, but he's never been able to sustain his level of play.
Wednesday night we saw errant nineteen-foot jumper after errant nineteen-foot jumper, followed by careless turnover after careless turnover. Many thought it colorful when Stevenson made light of his "butter-fingers" after the Creighton game, when he said he had too much butter with his pre-game meal. Well, I don't think it's funny ... well, let's just leave it at that.
His cavalier attitude, and lack of focus (hence the turnovers) toward his game is unfair to his teammates, and I'm sure maddening for his coach and UK fans.
I'm not meaning to insinusate that Stevenson is the primary reason UK lost to Notre Dame, he's not, but this game is the "straw that broke the camels neck," for me anyway.
Let me be clear: It brings me no joy to be so harsh with Stevenson. He is by all accounts, a jovial, courteous young man, but this isn't about his off-court attitude ... it's about being a starter for the University of Kentucky basketball team.
Typical Patrick Patterson and Jodie Meeks
The Lexington Herald-Leader's Mark Story wrote a couple of weeks ago that Patrick Patterson and Jodie Meeks deserve better than this. I would have to agree. UK's comeback versus Notre Dame wasn't so much the team coming back from the 17 point deficit, as it was Jodie Meeks deciding to take and make shots, regardless of how close his defender was (or how far away he was from the basket). He and Patterson received very little assistance from their teammates in their respective second half efforts. If they had, the game may have ended with a victorious Big Blue, instead of a game that was ...
Typical of this year's most disappointing of UK seasons.
In UK's Defense
Taking nothing away from a very good Notre Dame team, but UK having only one day off between games was simply not fair to the 'Cats, especially when Notre Dame had not played in eight days.
Collegiate athletics is supposed to be about fair competition. This game did not qualify.
But, I must say that I was very impressed with Notre Dame's Luke Harangody. He was defended about as well as anyone could defend, yet he still managed to put up 30 points.
I have to say that Harangody reminds me of Chuck Hayes with a more refined offensive skill set: He works extremely hard on the court, and he plays as smartly as any player I've ever seen. He uses his body very well, and even UK color man Mike Pratt commented upon his intelligent use of angles. He's just a smart, smart player who gets the most out of his talent.
Kudos to the future multi-millionaire -- I'll be rooting for the Irish to win the NIT.
Billy Gillispie
With the end of the season upon us, Billy Gillispie's future will most surely be determined over the next few days (word is, Friday is the day of reckoning) .
I still feel as I have since the talk of Gillispie's possible dismissal arose after the SEC Tournament: He doesn't deserve to be let go after only two seasons. His unfortunate behavioral issues, in my opinion, do not warrant firing the man.
Is there room for him to improve upon his public persona? Sure there is. But, his alleged alienation of many of the athletic department staff is a non-issue as far as I am concerned. If he's hard to work with, well, deal with it. There are many, many folks who are hard to work with. He is not unique in that respect, and his brusque style should not be considered a "fire-able" offense.
Can one come up with legitimate questions in regards to some of his in-game decisions? Certainly. Many have been baffled at some of his substitution patterns, and game-plan decisions. But I remain steadfast in my belief that he's a good coach, who could grow into a great coach, if given time, and the proper personnel.
But of course, I am not the decision-maker in this melodrama. That cross to bear lies heavily on Lee Todd and Mitch Barnhart's shoulders. And if the decision is made to terminate Gillispie, it is incumbent upon them to have a home run hitter in the lineup, ready to step to the plate (and in possession of serious powers of persuasion). An extended search for a new head coach will not sit well with the fan base, and the hiring of a less than stellar leader will be unacceptable.
So let the future-talk, begin ...
Thanks for reading, and Go 'Cats!
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After that, I got up and watched the last 2 minutes from an exit portal.
What you may not have noticed was that one of the UK assistants had yelled at Perry to give him some insruction or advice just as Porter released his pass.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 26, 2009 12:16 PM EDT reply actions
Stevenson
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/boxscore?gid=200903250423 Perry had 2 TO last night. Shot 4 of 9 FGA. All-in-all, 8 points and 6 rebounds, 0 blocks.
Mediocre game for him.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 26, 2009 12:18 PM EDT reply actions
He may have been credited with only 2 TO's, but he had more, that much was obvious.
I saw Stevenson do what he has done all year with that pass from Porter, and that is not grasp the ball. It is inexcusable.
by Ken Howlett on Mar 26, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Understand
But on that particular incident, he was distracted by a UK assistant coach.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 26, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
My thng is: Coaches are constantly calling out instructions ...
… that is not a good excuse for him missing that pass, at least in my opinion.
Ken
Who was the young man fron Ciccinnati who teamed up with Chuck Hayes on those beautiful bounce pass’s?
Erik Daniels
My favorite (recent) Cat.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 26, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Just remembered what's Second
Dr. told me my age would start affecting my sex life. And I asked him if it would be the thinking about it or the talking about it.
That is what Viaga is for
Just don’t let the pill get stuck in your throat, you’ll have a stiff neck for a few hours.
Well, I Was There
The assistant persisted to get his attention. Finally he looked over just when Porter passed it to him.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 26, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Poor Excuse
If after this much time at UK he is that easily distracted then he doesn’t deserve to play. The problem is not the coaches but the players that we have.
The Coach TRIED To Get His Attention
Were U there?
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 26, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Perry
Contrary to what it seems most people believe, I really think – despite Jodie’s struggles – Perry was the missing piece down the stretch; he has terrible hands for a big guy and seems really aloof at times. No one denies that he can finish around the basket or that he has a decent shooting touch, but rebounds and second-chance points killed this team all year and both Perry and Josh couldn’t give Pat much help. Had Orton been on THIS team, I think we’re probably waiting to watch UK in a Sweet 16 matchup instead of bemoaning an NIT loss.
It’s just the same refrain as always: the support players around Pat and Jodie are always good enough to keep us in a game, but rarely good enough to push us over the hump.
Low post help for Patterson would have made all the difference in the world for this team.
Obviously a natural point would have helped also, but recently the point play has been at least competent.
by Ken Howlett on Mar 26, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Perry
I think you’ve hit something here Wats—Perry has bad hands. He perplexes Ken, as noted in the article. In this regard, he reminds me of a much earlier and more highly touted UK player, LaVon Williams. LaVon could jump out of the gym and was very fast for a moderately big guy, but he had the manos a piedras, like Perry!
But, I’m glad to learn from 40 that Perry was distracted by the assistant coach on that particular play. Wonder why Porter did not notice that before flipping the pass?
It Was Bang-Bang
And Porter was being presuured by his defensive opponent.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 26, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
ESPN Pat Forde
Forde reports that BCG is likely to go. Will more likely happen on Friday. Main offense
relationships all the way around. Leading replacements: Billy D. Possible Izzo or even
Travis Ford .
Perry, cont'd.
I won’t sit here and post all the box scores, but there’s a nice correlation (which I suppose is to be expected) in Perry’s play and our W’s and L’s. In a lot of those losses down the stretch, Perry averaged [and I’m just ballparking here] about 6 points and 3 or 4 rebounds. During the wins he was much, much closer to averaging a double-double.
Of course, I don’t want to sit here and pound on one guy when everyone had a hand in what happened, but it seems like Perry HAD to know we desperately needed his contributions, and he still came up small.
Perry Averaged Almost 8 Pts And 6 Rebs Per Game
Your ballpark was off by 25% to 33% on his numbers.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 26, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Wats
Perry’s confidence levels and physical stature were always a factor this season. IMO, Perry is currently too comfortable as a support player.
Chuck Hayes
No way Harangody is like Chuck Hayes. Gody couldnt defend a paper sack.
DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!
Speaking OFFENSIVELY
You’re right, he’s not the defender that Hayes was/is.
by Ken Howlett on Mar 26, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Gody
Looks like he rolled out of a bar one day and decided “Hey, I’ll play basketball.”
He has some of the ugliest shots you’ll ever see, but he makes a ton of them so it isn’t luck.
Harangody Retro
Harangody reminds me quite a bit of Bailey Howell the two-time MSU All-American and two-time NBA champion with Celtics. Both appear a tad awkward, don’t jump real well, unorthodox style but definitely are effective. IMO Harangody is a better player — not athlete — but basketball player than Chuck Hayes, an overachiever in the finest sense, and Harangody’s NBA career will validate that opinion.
You hit it
He’s a player, a basketball player, with the skills of a basketball player.
Not sure why we didn't attack him
One of the best tactics when playing someone like Harangody is to force them to play defense. On the one play that I remember KY intentionally going after him Harrelson easily scored over him with a little jump hook. IMHO they should have kept going to that until Notre Dame had to adjust. If he was forced to play some defense he might have gotten into foul trouble and that would have disrupted Notre Dame’s entire game plan.
Perry
With Pilgrim next year this will be the last of Perry …
Perry
Very likely, Perry sees significant less time next year-his senior year
by blue oregon on Mar 26, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Chuck Hayes
Harangody was surprisingly smooth for such a physically large awkward basketball player. IMO, Chuck Hayes was and is much the better athlete than Cody. I will admit my opinion is formed because Chuck is in my top five of all time favorite Cats.
I have to disagree with you on 2 counts Ken
Several (by my admittedly hazy memory as many as 5 or 6) of the Irish’s made threes were well defended. Guys did a poor job getting through screens and identifying shooters in transition and loose ball opportunities, but ND had a great night shooting the three and poor defense was only partially responsible.
Second, Perry didn’t play great but I had no problem with any of his long range shots. They may not be “his shots” but we’ve seen him hit those kinds of baskets at a solid pace throughout the season and he hit 2 or 3 such shots just two nights prior. Given that he was wide open because ND was double teaming Patterson, I think he made the correct decision to shoot each time and this was a case where the decision was good, regardless of the actual result.
I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra
I certainly respect your thoughts, but I'll have to disagree here
You’ll have to point me to any 19-20 foot jumper he’s made this year. Now, he’s pretty accurate shooting from the elbow, or just above the foul line, but any further out and his percentage is practically 0.0. Why do you think teams leave him open beyond the foul line, or so?
Time and score — He should never, ever shoot that shot if UK is down, or ahead only slightly. Also, the shot clock was not an issue on any of his perimeter attempts.
I’ll have to re-watch the game, but of ND’s 25 3-point tries, I would guess that 15-20 of them were virtually wide-open. With all of their transition threes being open looks.
It’s funny — Jodie Meeks gets covered as if with a blanket every game, but UK has a hard time getting a hand in a player’s face.
Well, like I said it's not "his shot" but he has made them
It’s difficult to give exact numbers on shots from that distance (although I’m currently working on something that might give us a decent approximation), but he is 3-10 from three and as I mentioned above, he hit a couple of shots from similar distance in the Creighton game, just to name a couple of instances. It’s not a huge sample size of course, but over the season I think Perry has demonstrated that he can hit that shot enough that if teams are going to give it to him then he should take it. This time he wasn’t able to hit any of them, but I don’t think that’s what ultimately doomed the Cats last night. It contributed sure, but no more so than any other missed shot.
And I agree about the Meeks observation – this year it always seemed like opposing teams were playing with 6 guys on defense.
I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra
He Made At Least 3 Of Them (21 Ft = 3 Pointers)
http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/Statistics/Players/Stevenson_Perrygbg.html
But most of his shots (made) were within 5 ft of the basket.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 26, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow. Looked at the BBH site:
I forgot against VMI he had 20 pts on 8/12 shooting, 14 boards, 4 blocked shots, 2 assists, 2 steals, and 2 TOs. Pretty darn good stat line there.
THEN, against UNC, 3 points on 0/1 shooting, 7 boards, 3 blocked shots, 0 assists, 1 steal, 2 turnovers, and fouled out.
I think the first two games of the season showed us exactly what to expect from Perry – nothing. He took 12 shots in the first game, and ONE in the second. Huh? It’s just a toss-up game to game.
He did shoot 55% on the season (not including last night) and averaged almost 8 points, 6 boards, and 2 blocked shots per game. Unfortunately, he also averaged more than 2 TOs.
But here’s the thing – those averages mean NOTHING because his stats fluctuate SO much. He had 13 games where he had 1 or less turnovers, but he also had 7 games with 4 or more turnovers, including 2 with 5 TOs and one with SIX.
I like Perry, and I think he has potential, but I have NEVER seen a more inconsistent player, especially one that averages almost 30 minutes/game. If he played 10 minutes a game, I could understand these wild fluctuations, but over 30 minute averages, he should be way more consistent.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
I would have liked to seen Perry take a dribble and step up about 2 -3 feet and then
shoot that shot. He would catch it, look around and then in an awkward stance, shoot it. Nobody can shoot like that. Catch it, take a dribble and then shoot. Not very difficult.
Even removing the "per game" breakdown and going by "per possession" he was pretty awful
Perry had a turnover rate of 27.2 % TO Rate which is pretty awful. Statsheet has that as the 215th worst TORate in the nation. If that doesn’t seem too bad, consider there are approximately 4500 D1 basketball players.
I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra
I disagree on Perry
First, he was a bit out of his range, but to me it was more his execution of the shots he took. He hesitated just about every time and made some kind of half-assed fake in just about every case. Plus he walked AGAIN with the ball right by the basket. For a player with his PT and experience this should not still be happening. Totally unacceptable.
Similarly hazy memory here
But, while some of the 3s were well defended and you just have to give kudos to ND making some tough shots, I thought several, 3 or 4 anyway, were easy looks because the guard decided to double down inside. I thought both Liggins and Galloway got caught this way more than once and Porter at least once.
our defense
It seems to me that our man to man defense just isnt up to par. Man D is one thign when you put zone in, but because we never, EVER play zone, teams can scheme plays soley to beat man, knowing we will never do it. I hate it and disagree with it every second of every game.
ND had five guys aggressively shooting treys
It’s hard to defend 5 smart players 35 feet from the basket, especially in transition. We shot 50%, got as many rebounds as they did, didn’t commit an excessive number of turnovers, yet we lost.
Meeks is the only player we have who actually looks to shoot treys, and who can shoot them well in transition. Porter and Miller are decent shooters but mostly shoot only after all other options have been closed off.
With teams like ND, we hit twos and they drain threes. That’s not a winning formula.
How Typical?
Yes, Ken, last night’s game — the 36th of the season — was prototypical 2008-9 UK. This redux of earlier posted numbers is indicative:
In first game of season UK lost to VMI; Keydets 14/31 3’s 45.2%; Cats had 25 TO’s leading to 33 VMI points while scoring only 12 points themselves off turnovers.
In last game of season UK lost ND; Irish 12/25 3’s 48%; Cats only 10 TO’s but lead to 17 ND points while scoring only 2 points themselves off turnovers.
Now much transpired between then and now but it retrospect UK never was able to take care of the ball which led to far many opponents’ points plus disrupted any semblance of offensive cohesion. Neither was UK able to consistently defend the 3.
To see so little improvement in those two areas says much about players and coaching it seems to me. And those aren’t the only aspects that didn’t appreciably improve with rebounding on the defensive board being the most prominent.
as dissappointed as i was with the season, we cant fire billy g solely bc no billy g = 0% chance ppat/meeks coming back, no daniel orton, no john hood, no villrano… i mean this was the worst season of uk bball ive seen in my lifetime but i mean do we really wanna risk losing all those players?
None of that is certain at all.
It’s possible that a new coach could come in and retain every single one of the players you just mentioned.
It’s also possible that the new coach would not retain all, or even some, of these players.
Neither of these scenarios are certain. We’ll just have to wait and see.
by BBallSophist on Mar 26, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
i was disappointed in miller
Also had a bad turnover in the last 2 minutes, and at time disappears just as completely as stevenson. Harris has played better than him in the post-season, which is something i never would have expected to say. Next season might be a big one for razor.
idig
Miller is a freshman with limited playing time, with plenty of upside. Perry is a junior with significant playing time. Perry gives significant effort, but just has not developed into a reliable skilled player.
WARNING - RUMOR MONGERING (sort of)
FWIW, my colleague and friend, received a phone call this afternoon from his wife. She had gotten off the phone with her best friend, who was at Bluegrass Airport waiting on a flight for spring break, when she reportedly saw Billy Donovan step off an arriving flight.
Take that for what it’s worth. I can’t verify that she ACTUALLY saw Billy D, or what he was doing in Lexington if it was him, but my colleague is both a professional, trustworthy person AND a Gillispie supporter, so I can at least vouch that the friend THINKS she saw Donovan.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
That's true, but not what you think...
…Because of the 2 straight NIT appearances, the Florida athletics has cut his pay and he is now a flight attendant…
That’s TRUE right there, I don’t care who you are…!
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
Heh. Hilarious.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
Ha ha.
Yes. If I was 3 inches taller, I could puff my chest out and grease my hair back. I would look exactly like BD. Does anyone remember when they recruited BG that none of the players wanted BD. If they fire BG, they should release the players from their scholarships and start over. That is the only way UK is going to improve quickly. BG needs to stay at least one more year. Any fan that thinks BG should go should go apply for the job with Mitch or be quiet. In my opinion we have maybe 2 good players and 2 potentially good players that actually played this year. Everyone else can go in my opinion.
The Coach
Lets think about this. Would really firing the coach at this point fix the problem?
The answer has got to be No, two fold.
1. Who (thats any good) would want to come and coach at KY. If I was Billy D. or Tom Izzo or anyone thats any good, no way if I do not do good in 2 years and I am fired.
2. The players in several interviews have admitted to not executing as the coach has said.
Get rid of those players and free up their scholarships, they are there to execute what the coach teaches them. If they do not want to do this, then bye bye and let a player in that will.
Everyone give Mr. Gillespie time to build a program. A lot of people said get rid of Mr. Smith. How many 20 + win seasons, how many trips to the big dance? Minn is enjoying him right now. So, before a hasty decision is made. Lets think about it.
I have been a KY fan as long as I can remember, We have a very respected program.
College Basketball has changed, there is to much diversity in the teams anymore to get a stacked team to dominate all the time. We are going to lose, losing sometimes builds strength from within. It lets you know “Not Invincible”.
Invincible, Hah!
Invincibility is extinct as far as college basketball is concerned. UNC this season might have been as near invincible as any team we’re likely to see for a while but they lost 3 in ACC and could easily lose in in Sweet Sixteen. Although Memphis with their continued recruiting excellence — apt to get the nation’s #1, 2 and 3 2009 players — might be next aspirant to invincibility. UK fans at this point would settle for competitiveness at the highest level with The Final Four being the standard, something not seen in more than a decade, the longest such period in UK history.
BILLY DONOVAN
My friend just saw Billy Donovan at the Lexington Airport apparently – obviously it wasn’t me, so I cannot say for certain, but, I dont see why my friend would lie.
waiting on a new banner being raised into the rafters of Rupp..........
Nashville radio
The last hour, Nashville’s 104.5 The Zone had both Dick Gabriel and Dave Baker on. They both said BCG is gone, and it will be announced tomorrow, for whatever that’s worth. Baker said BCG had to keep himself from using the past tense referring to his tenure at UK during the taping of his final show. They both cited inside sources, so really what we still have is either informed opinion or rumor. Somebody (Mitch) better have a home run in their back pocket if this is true. They also thought Donovan was the prime target again.
Did you actually hear it?
I know that Dave Baker on 56 this morning said that he “THINKS” that BG is gone. He didn’t say it was definite.
Couldn't agree more....
after the game I said “that one game summed up our whole season” , and it did! We didn’t have the best start, People walking with the ball, getting back in the game from behind then just flat out throw it away!!! These are all things we saw throughout the season!
ESPN PTI Thursday Afternoon
Wonderful National Public Relations! The Kentucky Basketball program and those surrounding it (including fans) once again come off as unrealistic, reactionary, closed ranks, way beyond fanatical etc…
Great way to bring in the best basketball talent for the upcoming seasons. Nice work Todd and Barnhart!! Stop the insanity!!
Too Many Coaches, Not Enough Fans
I have to say that I hope that BG is back next year. I also think that we need to move the games back to Memorial and get rid of season tickets. We should eliminate the fireworks, roving lights, and thumping music. This isn’t the NBA.
We need real fans at the games who support the whole team. We need fans who will stand up and root for their team regardless of the score. I am tired of the lower arena sitting down most of the time. I have laughed all season at the cheerleaders. They couldn’t get this crowd going ever, and they are supposed to be the best cheerleaders in the nation.
The only real power of the arena was seen at the Florida game when it was so loud I am sure they could hear us in Richmond. I am tired of the snooty season ticket holders and the fans that think they know how to coach the team. BG isn’t here to be your best friend. He is a coach. His job is to coach. Did he do the best he could with what he has? Only HE really knows the answer to that question. Not Todd or Barnhart or anyone else. I could care less if I see him on TV commercials. I could care less how nice he is when an ESPN reporter asks a stupid question. You get my drift here?
Yes I do
I agree with you.
Except moving back to Memorial. They won’t do that unless Todd and Mitch take a huge drop in their salaries to accomodate the differerence in attendance and monies. You think they are willing to forfeit any part of their salaries?
I am fed up with these two higher ups. Someone pointed out that Todd is just like a CEO of a corporation. The University of Kentucky is state funded by all our taxes. Oh yes, the big money boosters have a huge say in whatever. I am sick of it.
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