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Serious question for the experts. Could anyone else have gotten any more out of this
team this season? Ignoring for a minute any other issue, thinking about this team and their play strictly. Could anyone have gotten more from this particular group? I don’t know, and this is a serious inquiry as I respect many of the posters in this group.
I believe so.....this team got worse down the stretch
But who really can answer a hypothetical question to anyone’s satisfaction. No one can tell me that UK doesn’t have as much talent as most of the teams in the SEC and they didn’t have a good conference run.
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Hard to say.
It is possible for sure. It could be that this group needed a different kind of motivation and BCG just didn’t adjust. But could anyone stop the boneheaded turnovers we had this year? I should make a mixtape of our turnovers just to see how horrible we were. How many times this year did we dribble off our foot, throw it out of bounds, have it slide through our fingers (the butter) and other creative ways to turn it over? I’ve been dumbfounded all year at the ways in which we turned the ball over.
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hoopchi's infinite turnover playlist?
I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra
It's not all about talent
I’m not sure if another coach could’ve gotten more or not. I will say, however, that the difference in this game – and many this season – is experience. One of our two leaders is a true sophomore. The other, for all intents and purposes, is also a sophomore. Our starting point guard is starting at that position for his first time in college ball. I won’t run through the entire roster, but you think about it.
I think this team has displayed all the classic symptoms of an inexperienced team. They struggled down the stretch of the season when the pressure was on. They fell flat on their face nearly every game in which they faced a crucial, must score possession in a late situation (tonight included). Tonight they faced an experienced team of comparable talent on their home floor and they got beat. Experience that’s the issue.
The upside
A bad ending to a bad season, but the good news is that soon enough all of the stress and strain of not knowing the status of the program will be over. Regardless of the outcome, I hope next year will be much better. Here’s to us all coming together to talk about how great things are going this time next year. Cheers everyone.
by The Lexpatriate on Mar 25, 2009 9:03 PM EDT reply actions
LOL
you guys want a good laugh…? Listen to the call in shows… LOL MY goodness…
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
How can I find something online to listen to? I'm in Alabama.
by bluegrassgal on Mar 25, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
This link...
has the Big Blue Network postgame show: http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/baseball/collegebroadcast
And, no, I can't
really explain why it has “baseball” in the URL. :)
590
is soooooo funny right now. Everything that comes out of a non hosts mouth is solid gold!
by JoshuaClaytor on Mar 25, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Radio guys just said
Ramon Harris suffered mild concussion in that spill. We missed him in the second half.
Rough year for him
He has been playing great lately. He would have made a big dfference.
man, Harris has got to be one of the most unluckiest players this year
At least in terms of on-the-court circumstances. Every time it looked like he was putting everything together he got hurt.
I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra
Combination of things IMO....
he came back to earth a little and teams made sure he was the #1 focus of their defense.
Slower Traffic Keep Right!
Everyone
Reverts back to the median over time.
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by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Right
The defensive schemes that other teams were running or his lack of a point guard to get him the ball is all Clyde’s fault.
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by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Meeks Drop Off
At the start of the season the buzz was all about Patterson, we didn’t know Meeks was going to break out so he had an easier run the 1st half of the season before attention shifted from Patterson to Meeks.
Ramon Harris was more important to this team than most would care to admit.
Probably my favorite player on the team…
Effort
Guys fought their brains out til the bitter, which I can certainly appreciate. Think it’s only fair for Billy to get one more crack, but I’m not counting on it.
Question Tru...
Can you put up a poll of if the fans “think” there will be a coaching change..?
if not, it’s ok…
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
>sigh< oh well
a tough loss, but when a team shoots 12-25 from three you just have to shrug your shoulders and admit it wasn’t your night. Some of those threes were open, but most were well defended – give credit to the ND shooters.
It was good to see the return of the Jodie Meeks we all know and love, even if it was just for a few minutes.
I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra
Do you think 40 has the stats
on the UK record for games he has attended?
i would bet the farm on it... lol
or at least he would have had dinner with someone that knows….
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
Went By Myself
No time for laptop.
Drove there, went to game, drove back.
Tired, going to bed.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 25, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
After Tonight > 39 W, Only 8 L For 83%
Rupp 82% and Pitino 81% so I’m better than both.
Just got back from South Bend. Very disappointing L tonight. Lemme sleep on it.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 25, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I have a new argument for us everytime we are debating Forty
and he is comparing BCG’s performance this year to past UK coaches:
“Is that with or without Mr. Wildcat?”
Mr Wildcat (Literally) Cried The Last Time UK Made A Coaching Change
I’d bet he’s not too happy (in Heaven) if there’s another one this soon.
I think he really liked The Warrior as he called him.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 25, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Kenny Walker and Larry Glover are saying...
They are 99.9% sure Billy is gone… FWIW
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
I blame..
a quick turnaround to play another tough road game against a team w/ a 5 day break getting to play on their home court WHERE THEY HAVE BEEN DEADLY ALL SEASON.
yes, that and
just not being a great UK team
Cats
We only had 10 turnovers. ND just converted them into 17 points. And they shot lights out from 3. That was the difference.
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by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Galloway had 5 of those turnovers - good grief.
The traveling call in the first half off the pass from Liggins looked bogus to me, but they never showed a replay so I’m not completely sure.
Still, although UK did a good job overall in taking care of the ball, most of the turnovers were unforced and all of them seemed to come at the worst times.
I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra
Some of these callers come straight from central casting for country boys
Slower Traffic Keep Right!
Looking at the season as a whole (no, not hole)
It seemed Billy worked so hard to not have two bad OOC loses, especially after dropping to VMI, that he sacrificed gametime to develop young players and it bit him in the butt.
that thought entered my mind as well
he was coaching not to lose too many games. had he said to heck with it early in the season and let liggins and galloway (or even miller at point) develop at point, the back end of the season might have been stronger.
however – starting the SEC at 5-0 probably reinforced what he was doing early on…..
by memphis wildcat on Mar 25, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
The issues were on the defensive end, not the offensive
There is very little difference in the offensive performance over the first 20 games and the end of the regular season, and that holds true even when you eliminate the non-BCS teams from the mix.
There was however a massive difference in the defensive performance. The team’s slide was caused by the defense, not the offense.
I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra
Maybe gametime experience,
or lack thereof, contributed there as well. There’s no way they could duplicate a three point offense to practice against.
I just don't get it
How Billy Clyde could be gone. In my opinion, we haven’t seen what he’s capable of. Let’s be honest, PPat and Meeks were all SEC because the rest of the team wasn’t SEC caliber or had any sort of reliable experience.
It doesn’t matter who the coach is or who the 2 are, 2 on 5 isn’t a way to maintain consistent success.
I just hope BCG gets one more year, because we aren’t getting Calipari and I don’t want Donovan.
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Yep
1. 2 against 5 is too tough for any coach
2. 2 years isn’t enough time
3. No outstanding coaches available for hire
4. Damage to UK program
5. I don’t want him kicking our butt in the future when coaching another team.
Correctamundo.
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by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
The economy
I don’t think it would stop a firing if a firing is in order. But for a questionable decision in the first place, it’s a deciding factor.
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by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont think
The economy would stop a necessary firing either.
I don’t know everything, but it’s simply not logical that they would spend that much money just to get rid of someone. AND have to go out and find a coach that would A. live up to UK expectations in season 1, B. would be willing to step in, knowing the last coach got fired after 2 WINNING seasons.
Anyone is welcome to correct me, but I can’t think of any high caliber coaches out there waiting in the wings.
I can’t WAIT until we hear the final word on this. Then I’m gonna line up all these media clowns and give them a good ole 3 stooges slap.
Well
Maybe the worst element of the moneyed “fans” will break the bank on any potential buyout, and won’t be able to coach with their wallets anymore.
by The Lexpatriate on Mar 25, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Boy
We can only hope.
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by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
6 Million is for starters
Now you have to pay premium for the “better” coach you’re getting and another premium for hazard pay (guarantees). Your talking another 4 million easy.
2, yes
5, yes, but not seriously important (except from PR angle)
3, dunno, probably right
4, dunno, but very worrisome
1, disagree
Have any other programs fired their coach
after a 20+ win season and 2 winning seasons?
Don't know
But I doubt it. But this is UK, so rationality and logic clearly don’t apply.
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by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
If this happens...it will force me long and hard to consider my allegience to a program that would do it...without offering facts that led to it
Totally Agreed.
As is my father, who has supported this team longer and with more $ than I have for 50 some odd years.
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by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
this is emotion talking
I suggest hearing a decision and rationale before turning in your BBN membership. Lots we still don’t know.
Agreed.
But based solely on known facts now, his on court performance is not fire-worthy. Off the court, I have to think if anything major was happening we would have known it by now. Aside from his brush up with a meaningless ESPN reporter, I can’t see any justification.
And truthfully, if Clyde had won 25 games and got to the tourney, we wouldn’t be having this discussion. Let’s give him another year, get the Tubbites and those who don’t want to work out, the new recruits in, then give him the boot if he doesn’t succeed.
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by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Billy G.
If he is FIRED….i wont be back, not that anyone would care or notice. Its not that i think Billy G. did EVERYTHING right, but this whole firing crap over his attitude with reporters is total nonsense. I wont support a university with such arrogance!
" I believe in pipedreams"
by Magnoliacat on Mar 25, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't believe they would fire him
over “attitude with reporters.”
Maybe over “attitude” though??
by Gobe Igbloo on Mar 25, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I would have my doubts about the AD and up if Billy is let go
Yes, they went out on a limb in the hiring, that’s what progressive programs do – push the envelope, advance the game, find the diamond in the rough. The diamond has only been rough cut – Billy needs time to grow. Yes, he’s young; did some in the BBN just now find that out?
We love our history and remember all the great players that were not so great when the started out their playing days at Kentucky. Forty could probably give you a list of 100 players that fit that description.
It is time we let a coach develop. It will be a great story for the ages. Other coaches out there are stale or taken. The talent, dedication, honesty and effort are there and he will be successful. Can we please be promoters of this success story and not merely a footnote.
I don't think one (presumably) bad decision should undue years of fanhood
But should that decision be made – and no additional facts aside from what is already know come out – it will certainly leave an uneasy, queasy feeling in my stomach.
I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra
>sigh< "undo" not "undue" - good grief
I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra
I just don't see how they can offer a champion coach a job
with this: if you have a mediocre season in the first or second year, you are gone.
That right there
is what no one is talking about.
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by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I keep telling you guys,,,,,
…it’s more then wins and loses…
Why is no one listening….? lol
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
And I keep asking everyone who says that...
other than a dust up with a reporter, what are these non wins and losses that are costing Coach his job?
Because he won’t gladhand some boosters and kowtow to the bluehairs? Tubby did that well and we see where that got him.
Call a spade a spade. It’s about wins and losses, plain and simple, as long as he’s doing it legally and well.
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by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
One thing for sure....
We will know soon, one way or the other…
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
So you don't really have anything?
Just taking blog reports at face value? Careful with that.
Either come out with something, or stop slandering the man.
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by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm just going by what...
EVERYONE else is saying… Staying or going, we should know soon….
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
Ever ponder
That “everyone” is simply pissed that BCG isn’t doing a little tapdance for the boosters and whatnot and they have a significant axe to grind because Coach doesn’t kiss their collective “connected” asses?
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by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm sure they are....
…just like your pissed at me right now…
For what, I have NO idea… lol
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
No
I’m not pissed at you at all. I just get tired of people quoting people like Gabriel, Bozich, etc. and act like they are totally impartial or have no axe to grind with Gillispie.
That could very well be the reason why the “media” types with so much connection are pissed. Frankly, from all reports I’ve heard, Clyde does it his way. And if you don’t like it, piss off.
And if we leave him alone, let him get his team, and coach his style, then all will be fine… even if Dick Gabriel gets his little feelings hurt.
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by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
This just in...
“Lee Todd JUST said he has spoken with Billy G. and an announcement will not be made before Friday”…
Hot off the wire…
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
Agreed.
This just makes no sense whatsoever, but it seems like EVERYONE “in the know” thinks he is out. What are we missing?
C! A! T! S! CATS! CATS! CATS!
Nothing.
People are spouting stuff that they have a 50-50 chance of being right on.
You can’t tell me in this world of camera phones, blogs, etc. that if something was out there, we wouldn’t have seen it by now.
The issue is simply that he didn’t make the tourney.
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by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok
For example, what?
If Clyde is doing something that is of questionable character (a la Eustachy or something like that) then he shouldn’t have been allowed to finish the season.
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by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Our last coach averaged 26 wins
1 NC, 6 sweet 16’s, 4 elite 8’s….not to mention all the SEC and SECT championships.
That wasn’t enough.
BCG needs to sign that contract….that shows a huge level of arrogance that shows up in other areas such as relationships with the media etc.
Slower Traffic Keep Right!
I'd like to see you evaluate
how the Kentucky program either regressed or advanced in terms of season results while “the last coach” was here. I have.
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by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd like to see the peaks, valleys, dry spells over time
for all active NCAA Div I coaches who have ever made a final four.
After th 5-0 start
opposing defenses tried to shut Meeks and Pat down and let the others beat them. And it worked. The other players weren’t ready to step up. They will be next year!
Those other players
BCG recruited them right? They are his guys right?
Oh no… no. Not at all.
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by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Some are
some aren’t. Either way, nobody stepped up and scored.
by BBlue_in_NC on Mar 25, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I would have sworn Forty was back online
when I read that heading. LOL
The big, big problem:
When Billy said that being an ambassador for the University was not part of the job description. Dick Gabriel on 630 WLAP said that was the moment when UK Athletics and UK Administration (read: Mitch and Dr. Todd) was concerned about Billy.
Haha, Concerned.
by TheFakeGimelMartinez on Mar 25, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I won't shed a tear if they get rid of him.....
If he comes back I will be optimistic that UK will be vastly improved. If they aren’t, there is no way he stays for a 4th year.
Slower Traffic Keep Right!
Ramon Harris
averaging 9 pts, 6 rebounds in his past 6 games.
A couple interesting historical tidbits
With 21 points, Meeks is now 33rd on UK’s all time scoring list (1246 points)
With 18 points, Patterson is now 54th on UK’s all time scoring list (1020 points)
I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra
Silver lining...
Pat is not ready. Neither is Jodie. So we could be loaded next year is we can just get a reliable PG.
The rumors surrounding the program have me sick at my stomach. I don’t worship the Coach. UK is bigger than any man that might be running it at that moment. But I do think firing a coach after two winning seasons is wrong. There had better be something else involved (mistreatment of personnel, etc) or it could hurt our program for years. Either way, I’m somewhat relieved that this season is over. Now, I can dream about how good we will be next year.
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Can wait for that all year long
Go browns!
by JoshuaClaytor on Mar 25, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll miss it
I’m a new basketball fan….actually got into the game when Gillispie was at A&M when they went to the NCAA’s. That’s horrible on my part because I’m an A&M graduate!
He loves his players and they love him back. He tears up when he talks about them. I know exactly how he feels because I do the same when I talk about my students.
The offseason begins….I’ll miss the excitement of the game.
NIT
Someone made the point the other day, and I’ll repeat it: I think we benefited way more as a program from these 3 games than we would have if we’d taken a bludgeoning in the first round of the NCAAs. The kids played their hearts out and picked up two (almost three) really nice wins.
I agree
While there were still things that need work, I though UK played well in all 3 games and certainly played better in the last 3 than they did at the end of the SEC season.
I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra
Not to mention
The fact that the two extra cheap wins stave off UNC’s taking of the all-time wins throne.
by The Lexpatriate on Mar 25, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean
Compared to the NCAA wins that UNC is racking up. Not cheap as in not hard fought.
by The Lexpatriate on Mar 25, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
umm, yeah, right
Notre Dame=cheap
Radford=??
by Gobe Igbloo on Mar 25, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Notre Dame is good
But they are still an NIT team. And unless I got a different feed than you, we didn’t win that one.
Creighton and UNLV are cheap wins for KY. Bottom line.
Meanwhile, UNC beat the best SEC team of the year.
They are poised to take the wins record by mid-season next year. What are they, six or eight games out?
by The Lexpatriate on Mar 25, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I think we all know/agree
We are lagging far behind UNC right now
We are not happy about it
We are glad to get the W’s anyway
I happen to disagree with your characterization of our wins over UNLV and Creighton.
by Gobe Igbloo on Mar 25, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently, Barnhart was at the game
So does that mean it could happen tonight?
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No
If Mitch fires BCG before he has this “meeting” or anything back in Lexington, I’ll be done with UK for a while.
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by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Others have mentioned it but...
what kind of tournament schedules one team off for 5 days and another one playing 2 games in 3 days with travel???? Who plans this thing anyway?
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NIT format
Make it into the NCAA then all days and games are set even
Hey Oregonian
Where are you out here? I’m in Eugene.
by The Lexpatriate on Mar 25, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
very unfair. But then, if you want fair, earn a trip to the big dance!
Donovan is the first choice with Travis Ford as plan B???
From Rick Bozich’s blog
http://www.courier-journal.com/blogs/bozich/2009/03/gillispie-start-clock.html
GBB!!!
Bozich is a jacka$$
I live in Louisville(huge uk fan) and i read his columns in the courier journal…..He is absolutely horrible,any chance he gets to trash the cats in the last 6-7 years,he readily jumps on them.
Donovan
Here’s an idea…let’s replace a guy that got us into the NIT with a guy that’s been there twice in a row. There are NO realistically available coaches out there better than Billy. Period.
Why?
Why is everyone enamored with Donovan?
Because he talks and looks like Pitino?
I cannot stand the guy, his teams, or his attitude. If you thought Clyde was arrogant, you’ve seen nothing yet.
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by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
Can’t stand a lot of the players Billy D. recruits. I could do without seeing the Noahs, Walshes, and Robersons of the world in UK blue.
Donovan turned it down
if he wants it now that he’s in the NIT too bad. Billy G. needs to stay.
Hemming and Hawing
I don’t think we need a guy who can’t make up his mind about staying at FLORIDA.
by The Lexpatriate on Mar 25, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Or
Backing out of coaching the Magic.
by JoshuaClaytor on Mar 25, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Post game conference
PP was very matter of fact, he would be back-even if there was another coach. However,
he thought BCG would return.
PP
Look right at the camera. Was matter of fact. Said he was satisfied with his overall performance but
needed to improve on his outside shot.
Pssst, PPat,
Nice game….but……..the inside shot needs a little work, too. Nevermind, Orton’s got those next year.
Hoosiers
Coach stays, I stay. He goes, I go.
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by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
If he doesn't go pro of course he would be back....
I can’t see him transferring
Slower Traffic Keep Right!
I'm telling you
If Barnhart fires BCG, he needs to immediately resign. Or someone needs to make it their mission to get him fired.
C! A! T! S! CATS! CATS! CATS!
Lee Todd: No announcement before Friday
UK president Lee Todd attended the game. He declined to comment on Gillispie’s job status. He did say he spoke with the coach about the future of the program late last week.
Todd also said an announcement on Gillispie’s future would not be made before Friday.
http://www.kentucky.com/881/story/739185.html
GBB!!!
Not really
Mitch and Todd have said all along that each sport is evaluated at the conclusion of the season. That fits right in line with this.
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by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
I think IF anyone should be fired it should be the AD, get a new one, give Billy another year, then let the new AD decide his fate. Mitch has not defended or criticised Billy he has done nothing to clear this mess up earlier, just maybe if he goes one way or the other it helps the coach and the team, and gives the fans some clarity to what is goin on.
There will be no firing . . .
LMAO
You know this and no one else does? And no one has reported it. That’s funny.
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by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
for now, we still have a coach....
…until we know other words, I’ll say Billy G…
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
Ok, I will.
But making a statement about a termination that if it went down how you described, no one would publicly admit it, thus making your statement totally and completely unproveable is telling. Of course, even if BCG is let go on Friday, you can sit back and say “See, I told you so.”
You have a 50-50 shot of being right. But I give you points for your story’s creativity.
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by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
With everything that is being said tonight....we will know Friday for sure
Slower Traffic Keep Right!
like I was saying...
We will know soon…. Damn, I hate being right all the time…!!! j/k
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
lol...at least someone can be in a good mood
instead of trying to argue everyone
Slower Traffic Keep Right!
hey...
…I was very proud of our boys tonight… They played their asses off… lol
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
However
Was not pleased with clock management by Porter in the last 2 minutes….I loved Uk’s effort to get back into the game and are proud and hope BCG is given some more time,but,walking the ball up court and using 30 seconds of the shot clock will not win you a ballgame.Hopefully this insanity will end and BCG can hit the recruiting trail and build towards next season!GO CATS!
Defending OUR coach, at least for the time being
doesn’t mean I’m not in a good mood.
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by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Obviously, Pylon
You’re emotionally invested in Gillispie. I have to admit I don’t understand that. He’s not a good coach and is a person of questionable character. I will not miss him.
I believe he is a good coach; just not sure he is a fit at UK, but I'm not an authority.
I will say I wish him the very best in his future regardless of where his career takes him, and I will not be disappointed if he stays at UK.
by bluegrassgal on Mar 25, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not really invested one way or another
in a coach. I’m invested in the program. And frankly, dismissing BCG for his on court performance the last two seasons will set us back. Years. It’s about the program.
I will say this about the questionable character. I keep hearing that, yet no one has any specific examples. None. And that’s really disheartening. If there is some major character issue that BCG is consistently revealing, then why did we wait to let him go until the end of the season? No one has been able to answer that.
I don’t care if he stays or goes, as far as BCG is concerned. I have never met the man, he wouldn’t come to my funeral. I care only about the program. And the program will be worse off if we cut him loose.
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by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
If the questionable behavior
exsisted, there would be proof of it.
REally who cares about smarting off to Jeanine Edwards, every coach has bad interviews.
Show pics of him kissing drunk coeds, something, but for what it is worth now, wins and losses should not get him fired. He needs time to have his own players.
by JoshuaClaytor on Mar 25, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
What a joke
Last year he donates a ton of money to dance blue, buys some random woman a car or whatever, and he’s crying with Joe Crawford. People praise his heart and character. This year, lose too many games, miss the tourney, and make a couple of regrettable, snide remarks and your character is questionable and you’re not a good person. Sheesh people, don’t be so f’in dramatic.
Bravo
Pretty harsh. Billy was speaking to you in the post game presser when he suggested that the man upstairs will truly be his only judge
For $2.5 million?
I couldn’t have done any worse. Goodbye Billy, and good riddance.
You are annoying me.
Stop.
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by Glenn Logan on Mar 25, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
thank you
something was beginning to smell like bait…….
by memphis wildcat on Mar 25, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
BCG asked about his job security
He says when you work for another man, it’s up to that other man. It’s that other man’s choice.
That doesn’t sound good (for his chances), does it?
Truthfully
I’m not sure a decision has been made. I think a lot will depend on how BCG reacts to Mitch in this end of season evaluation meeting.
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by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Notre Dame football
Had to announce Charlie Weis was coming back. Sort of the same thing.
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by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I really don't think he knows yet and for that matter Mitch or Todd....
they may or may not. I am done reading tea leaves. Friday wlll come soon enough.
;-)
Slower Traffic Keep Right!
BCG talks about inexperienced players
He said (paraphrasing)
look at the Tennessee women
they have a great coach
everyone’s asking what’s wrong with them?
well they have young players.
it takes time.
That is an excellant point
but when you win enough championships and have a floor named after you, I think you have an off year
by JoshuaClaytor on Mar 25, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
correct. so the question is, if you don't then you can't?
by Gobe Igbloo on Mar 25, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
you
have to be able to develop a young team. I was speaking in regards to Pat Summit.
by JoshuaClaytor on Mar 25, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't hear him say that
But if I were him, I’’d be very concerned. Most rogues get religion when they’re going down. I don’t feel the least bit sorry for him. Good riddance. I know this is a pro-Billy site, but there is very little to admire in this guy.
Have you met him?
Do you know him? Could he pick you out of a lineup?
Evaluating someone’s character or admirability based on wins and losses is a dangerous irresponsible exercise.
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by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
the comments I mentioned
were on the post-game radio interview tonight
by Gobe Igbloo on Mar 25, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Stop crusading.
This is a warning.
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by Glenn Logan on Mar 25, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
What we need
first, I’d like to say that i do want billy G back. If however he does go,
We should get an NBA coach. Someone who has had success, but who is in the wrong situation. Recruits would flock.
Lawrence Frank? Avery Johnson? Jim O Brian? Jeff Van Gundy?
Billy D is not an upgrade.
Billy D
TWO National Championships. You are wrong.
by Grasslands1 on Mar 25, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
as convincing as 2 national championships is
And I agree it is a very good argument,
almost every florida team except for those two has underachieved in the post-season — losing to a lower rated team.
Some coaches can get the best out of their team no matter who they have on the floor.
Billy D – as good a recruiter as he is, has not shown to me that he can consistently get the best out of his players.
Everyone keeps harping about Billy D
But clearly at UK it’s a what have you done for me lately type deal. If we get rid of BCG after two 20 win seasons, and an NIT and replace with two Donovan, are we actually getting better?
If you say give him a few years, how is that any more fair than what would potentially be happening to BCG?
by JoshuaClaytor on Mar 25, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Devils Advocate.....
all coaches lose to lower seeded teams ask Coach K, Roy Williams, Calhoun ettc. etc.
Slower Traffic Keep Right!
There is a reason I said lower rated
and not lower seeded.
If a team in tier 1 loses to a team in tier 2 that isn’t much of an upset and happens to everyone on occasion.
Florida seems to lose to much worse rated teams than how they are rated.
Todd, Barnhart are Corporate Button-Down Types
Lee Todd is from west by god Kentucky, and I believe is related to Harry Todd who was a star at Western Ky U for Ed Diddle in the 1950s. Rupp snubbed him. Lee Todd got an engineering degree from UK and a PhD from MIT, got a bunch of patents and started his own company, which he sold to IBM for big bucks. He’s an engineer, a corporate engineer.
Mitch Barnhart is a sports management/marketing type. He an MBA corporate manager.
Todd and Barnhart are focused on managing and directing big enterprises — Todd is running the whole university (an academic institution) — and Barnhart is running all the athletic programs.
Managers at the level of responsibility that Todd and Barnhart work at are managing the reputation of the whole enterprise. The people who work for them have to support and fit into the big picture of the University of Kentucky as the flagship university in Kentucky, a top 20 national research university, a thoroughly professional institution. They do not condone behavior on the part of anyone that falls into the category of embarrassing the university.
Gillispie has violated that code repeatedly. He snubbed the Lexington Rotary Club, an organization of 400 of Lexington’s most influential people. He made a verbal commitment to an 8th grader, which caused the coach’s association to censure that behavior. He changed the date of Midnight Madness, which caused the NCAA to adopt a new rule. He was rude to a halftime reporter for ESPN — not once — but twice. He didn’t learn from his first mistake. And then he made a commitment to the ESPN open access team, and then did not fulfill his commitment. That is flat out dishonest.
Who do all the kids and players and coaches watch? ESPN. Who is going to be airing SEC games next year? ESPN. And here is Gillispie making an ass of himself repeatedly in dealings with ESPN reporters. The fact that all three are female raises another issue about Gillispie’s ability to relate to fellow human beings on a polite, professional level.
President Todd & AD Barnhart do not need to be dealing with the backlash from a coach who continually embarrasses the university and who has failed to learn any of the basic skills of how to behave decently toward other human beings.
Fortunatus
Your complaints are administrative. Shouldn’t Mr Barnhart be held accountable for hiring such a rogue individual?
by blue oregon on Mar 25, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Rogue
Everytime I see that I get a picture of a scrappy thief/pirate. Sorry, just funny to me
by JoshuaClaytor on Mar 25, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Joshua
Tongue in cheek. Tongue in cheek.
by blue oregon on Mar 25, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
interesting and thoughtful commentary
you make good points.
I’m not sure he has done anything that can’t be fixed.
But maybe he doesn’t want to be fixed?
by Gobe Igbloo on Mar 25, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
since when we let ESPN decide who coach UK?
Besides that, I don’t see we had good relationship with ESPN before BCG, most likely not after BCG as well.
If coach leaves
will that roster stick around?
BIG if – the if depending on the new coach chosen.
most improtantly will PPat and Meeks....
why would they transfer now if they are not going pro? Of course they could go pro, but Jodie would be making a big mistake while PPat would probably be a 1st rounder even if it is late.
Slower Traffic Keep Right!
Pat just announcened
He’ll be back next year with out without Billy G
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
Meeks, Patterson,
along with Hood and Orton might be a drawing card for a top flight coach, if a change is made. Down here in Orlando the story about UF was how they improved by one win over last season. Along with what Tebow is going to do over spring break. ONE Gator friend has mentioned basketball all season.
One point I will agree with the Billy G. supporters with...
…If Billy has done something “off-court” to get him fired, then it should have gotten him fired immediately… They should not have waited… JMO
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
I disagree
short of something illegal, it is a total disservice the kids on the team to lose a coach midseason.
You think only something
ILLEGAL would be groungs for firing?
by blue kentucky girl on Mar 25, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
no,
…But if it’s bad enough to fire him for, and has NOTHING to do with on-the-court success, then it should have happened already…
I’m saying, if he did something THAT bad, he should have already been let go… that’s all…
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
GROUNDS for firing
damn, I hate typos
by blue kentucky girl on Mar 25, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think so
Vince, I think it has probably progressed through the year. Mid season firing very bad.
by Grasslands1 on Mar 25, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
You may be right....
…I hope we the public find out… THE TRUTH…
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
It's not one thing
or one incident. It’’s the sum of everything about this coach. We (the fans, media, innocent bystanders) know most everything, if you’ve been paying attention, are not in denial, are not Billy’s agent, or are not related to him.
Wins+underacheived for a year = Fired?
Sometimes I think uk fans are not rational. :/
by JoshuaClaytor on Mar 25, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
It is his sour
relationships inside the University and some other quirks in his behavior, not his rercord if he is fired.
by Grasslands1 on Mar 25, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Simple question...
If Clyde had went 26-5 and went to the Sweet 16, would his sour relationships require him to be fired?
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by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
by this logic
yes he would have to be :/
by JoshuaClaytor on Mar 25, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure if success would of
of changed his behavior.
by Grasslands1 on Mar 25, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly.
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by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
BCG
So the real argument does come down to wins/loses and trips to NCAA
by blue oregon on Mar 25, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
My point.
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by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Remember...
The San Diego Chargers fired a coach that went 14-2…. It is not ALWAYS about W/L
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
He was also wanting to hire a relative which went against managements' wishes.
(Oh crap, I hear voices! Forty, we’re talking about San Diego Chargers football ;-)))))
By the way Forty, sorry you couldn’t have witnessed a win and hoped you enjoyed the game anyway.
but
he does not have enough wins to keep the money guys happy – or at least to keep the money guys at bay – that is my only thought as to why he would be fired – the money is there
by memphis wildcat on Mar 25, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Wrong,
If he has behavior issues they would have to make the move. BG IS NOT bigger than the program.
by Grasslands1 on Mar 25, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
So in answer to my question
You would still can him with a 26-5 record and a Sweet 16 trip this year?
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by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Behavior issues ...
… that are apparently not even rumors.
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by Glenn Logan on Mar 25, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
It doesn't need to be big enough to get out
If there is a fundamental divide between him and his boss(es) then that is enough reason to fire an employee.
If BG shows
the same respect to other women around the University that we have all seen, then you can bet your sweet butts that he will be fired.
by Grasslands1 on Mar 25, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
And my question, again,
is how do you know this? Do you work there? Not trying to be argumentative, just trying to see what sort of information and solid sources there are before our coach continues to get defamed.
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by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
True
I missed that. Apologies.
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by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
What exactly have you seen?
I saw him be rude to a sideline reporter that asked a stupid question. How does that correlate to not being respectful of other women? Examples?
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My question also. I don't like seeing anyone's character questioned without proof.
by bluegrassgal on Mar 25, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
That's the only thing I've been saying
I don’t disagree that the results were subpar. But to assassinate someone’s character without facts is irresponsible.
http://www.overthepylon.blogspot.com
by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
excuse me...
…but he has assassinated his own character with his actions…
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
By telling Jeanine Edwards she asked a shitty question?
She did.
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by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
that plus...
the ESPN all access debacle..
Rob Brumley
Tom Leach
The “I didn’t sign up to be the ambassador” comment..
Just the ones I know…
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
The ESPN All Access
I haven’t been on the net much save for my own site, so I may have missed it. What exactly did he do?
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by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Again, what actions?
The time he donated X amount of dollars to charity…or provided transportation to a woman who needed it for funeral? Or stayed and signed autographs for everyone who wanted them?
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then
At what point does the bad stuff get negated by the good stuff? I’m pretty sure donating X amount of money is looked at higher than saying that was a stupid question.
JXClaytor on the 360
by JoshuaClaytor on Mar 26, 2009 2:40 AM EDT up reply actions
About like the Gator fans
during the Zook “era”. My Gator friends were actually mad when Leak pulled off the comeback in Lexington because they had already started celebrating the firing of Zook in the third quarter.
Alright...one quesion. Do Kentucky fans love the drama?
I’m of the opinion that the whole coaching situation has become a circus due, in large part, to the infatuation with the program. Kentuckians have few, if any, other things they take more pride in than college basketball. It’s not a bad thing. I love it. I’m guilty as well. But you’re far more susceptible to drama when you’re emotionally involved. Think back to every one of you personal relationships. The more involved, the more dramatic.
I think all this drama is doing a lot of damage to "us" nationally,
by bluegrassgal on Mar 25, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Matt May
Is on ESPN 2 right now talking about BCG’s future.
"You are what you are and you ain't what you ain't"
My ESPN2 is the St. Mary's game. What are they saying?
by bluegrassgal on Mar 25, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Mostly
That nothing will come out until Friday, but that a decision one way or the other has already been made.
"You are what you are and you ain't what you ain't"
Something must change
one way or the other. They will give him a chance if they think he can change some of his ways.
The only thing that needs to change
Is wins. And frankly, that’s going to change next year.
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by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
im finished tonight...all i'm getting is pi$$ed thinking about how bad things could go for us long term
…if there is a change in coaches
I lied
This seems to be like a bad sign. Well not so bad, but typically stuff goes on sale after a season whenever someone leaves.
http://www.ukteamshop.com/ukcart/customer/product.php?productid=17050&cat=0&page=
by JoshuaClaytor on Mar 25, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
Every season specific shirt on there is marked down similarly.
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by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
that
I did not notice, I just saw the link some where. Disregard my link :)
by JoshuaClaytor on Mar 25, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
actually looks like a pretty good sale
sad that apparently there are no shirts for the fatter UK fan :(
by JoshuaClaytor on Mar 25, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
As an employer
I have been convinced that I would fire someone – however, a meeting could seriously change the situation.
If my employee was genuinely repentant and agreed to adhere to the proper standards of what the company’s policies are, then I would have no problem keeping them (albeit on a shorter leash)
We give you three
incidents for behavior, four you gone regardless of value.
by Grasslands1 on Mar 25, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't act in haste
Unless he has committed an unpardonable offense off the court or broken the terms of understanding that he agreeded to when he accepted the job, and that act is egregious enough to merit firing, the man deserves a chance to build his program.
There's always next year [PREDICTIONS]
Alright mourning time’s over. What are your predictions for next year?
Me:
28-6
SEC regular season champions
SEC tourney champions
NCAA 2 seed
Trip to Final Four
All we have is hope :)
how about this theory
if a decision will be announce Friday, it means he stays. my logic is that the only way you can fire bcg after two years is to have a big time coach in the wings. unless it is billy d (and i know some might not consider him a big dog, but with 2 NCs he is) most of the others are still playing.
by memphis wildcat on Mar 25, 2009 10:26 PM EDT reply actions
either way
someone must really want him gone to move so quick – adding to my logic – why go with another young, up and comer after two years
by memphis wildcat on Mar 25, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
I don’t know if the search has been on or not. I suspect not, but what do I know. Assuming the search hasn’t started, then Mitch needs more time to search. The only guy allowed to take the position at this point who ISN’T still coaching is Donovan.
And if Mitch was searching before he fired,
that’s unethical and illegal for a state job.
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by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
you could be right
a big front line like Patterson, Pilgrim, Orton, Stevenson and the others is what got him his 2 titles, all he needs is a point guard, he might have one up his sleeve.
Bledsoe has Florida on his list of final schools.
We currently lead for his services. If Donovan were to come, I’d guess that we would remain in the lead for him.
by BBallSophist on Mar 25, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Unlikely To Qualify Academically
I’ll be surprised if he does.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 25, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, Jai Lucas
wouldn’t that be hilarious, if Billy finds out he’s going to be let go and Donovan’s coming, signs Lucas
Lucas Went To Texas Already
Enrolled there at semester break.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 25, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
The one thing that everybody needs to think about when it comes to Billy's future:
The statement Billy made that being an ambassador to the University was not part of his job description.
Two things have happened since that statement was made:
1) As Matt Jones has pointed out, Mitch has not made himself publicly available for comment.
2) As Dick Gabriel and countless members of the media/blogosphere have said, UK Athletics and UK Administration became very upset by that statement.
If Billy goes, this will be the straw that breaks the camel’s back. If Billy stays, Billy will become a much gracious ambassador and media presence.
Personally, I’d be happy to have Billy back. If he’s asked to leave (or is bought out) then I wish him success and happiness in what he does.
by TheFakeGimelMartinez on Mar 25, 2009 10:30 PM EDT reply actions
Not necessarily
Like I said, it could be the straw that broke the camel’s back. Making that statement — and essentially starting a public feud with your AD — was a huge no-no.
by TheFakeGimelMartinez on Mar 25, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
But..
if he’s 27-5 and in the Sweet Sixteen, it’s a slap on the wrist and do better next time Billy.
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hoopchi
Once again it is about wins & championship resume’s.
by blue oregon on Mar 25, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
That's less staws on the camel's back, though.
:)
by TheFakeGimelMartinez on Mar 25, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe it's a bigger camel.
Let that screw with your mind.
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by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe he did not practice well
so he did not become a strong camel and did not develop toughness
by memphis wildcat on Mar 25, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps the zookeepers
Never liked this camel to begin with. Maybe they always wanted him to be a hippo. But hey, zookeeper, this is a camel. Camels can’t be hippos! Gosh…. silly zookeepers.
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by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder
What TheRealGimelMartinez thinks.
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by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I would love to ask him
But I’ve already sent him two worship emails today. :)
by TheFakeGimelMartinez on Mar 25, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't want Billy D...
I don’t want Billy D
I don’t want Billy D
I don’t want Billy D
I don’t want Billy D
I don’t want Billy D
I don’t want Billy D
I don’t want Billy D
I don’t want Billy D
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
Co-Signed.
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by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
i guess i could argue for or against
my only point is if you are going to fire BCG after two years based on what we all know, you better have someone ready to step up right away because the firestorm is going to be so intense that you will want to difuse it.
and taking a shot on another up and comer will not cut it..
and billy d is the only higher caliber, proven (yes 2 NCs gets you proven) coach i can think of still not coaching…..
by memphis wildcat on Mar 25, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
good question
because mitch could contact them without having to get permission from the AD.
who is there that also has college experience –
Kevin O’Neill – the UT connection?
by memphis wildcat on Mar 25, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
God no.
Never. Ever. Not in a million years.
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by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
i agree 100%
would rather have Billy D – just trying to follow my logic on billy staying until it no longer works
by memphis wildcat on Mar 25, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Why do they need college experience?
a good coach is a good coach. he can hire assistants to fill in the wings with college experience.
just thinking about the recruiting angle
and not sure someone who has only coached pro moves to college
by memphis wildcat on Mar 25, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
would say
larry brown, but he is too old
by memphis wildcat on Mar 25, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
some others (on here) have mentioned
Lawrence Frank, Avery Johnson, Jim O Brian, Jeff Van Gundy, + flip saunders too
Well...
Since we’re tossing out names that have no chance of being here…
1.) Pat Riley
2.) Phil Jackson
3.) Knute Rockne’s corpse
4.) George W. Bush
5.) The Domino’s Noid
6.) Judas Iscariot
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by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
that interesting list
anyway, guess we will have to wait until Friday -
i just believe mitch understands the intense national media pressure that would come down on uk for firing bcg after 2 winning years that he will want to move swiftly to fill the spot.
i still go back to my initial comment, if billy d is not in the wings, bcg will be here
by memphis wildcat on Mar 25, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Some meetings can change
views, but I believe the powers to be already know what they are going to do. I think either way we will be fine.
Pat Summit's job security
Wonder if Pat summit’s job is at risk for requiring her team to practice “to get better” after they were eliminated from the NCAA tournament in the first round. Sounds harsh and kinda crazy.
Of course her job is secure because of wins and championships.
Goodnight all..
it’s been a season to remember.
Either way…all I can say is…
Go Cats!
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That's speculation, not confirmation
Audio made before the game was played tonight.
by TheFakeGimelMartinez on Mar 25, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you.
I noticed that also.
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by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
No he isn't.
Did you listen? He expressed that as an opinion, not as a fact.
Good grief, Vince.
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by Glenn Logan on Mar 25, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Just now.
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by Glenn Logan on Mar 25, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
AHHHHHHHHHHHHH
DAMMIT… you are exactly right…. I’m so sorry… I missed the I “think”..
Please delete it…
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And we will all look back on it and laugh at you.
They’re all gonna laugh at you laugh at you! – Adam Sandler
(j/k — We all make mistakes, no biggie.)
by TheFakeGimelMartinez on Mar 25, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
just wait until forty see this...........
by memphis wildcat on Mar 25, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Larry Has Shared His Thoughts With Me All Along
Not surprised at all.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 25, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
It's OK.
It happens. Don’t sweat it.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Glenn Logan on Mar 25, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
you know me man...
…I would NEVER spread rumors… I am truly sorry and embarrassed…
But in my defense, Knob Creek is clouding my judgment… lol
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
I nominate TollBooth Willy
To be the next coach.
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by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I did
“A mutual decision that I think has already been made by Billy and the UK Administration…”
by TheFakeGimelMartinez on Mar 25, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
It would be nice if I could get on my blog and talk about that
grrr argh terrible hosting!
by TheFakeGimelMartinez on Mar 25, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
TheRealGimelMartinez
Would have already published, podcasted, and done so in triplicate.
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by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
That's because he is too awesome to share a blog
by TheFakeGimelMartinez on Mar 25, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
It's true. It's true,
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by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
/Kurt Angle
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by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Tru
Anything from Lexington on BCG being officially out
Not a thing.
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by Glenn Logan on Mar 25, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Geez...
and here I was ready for bed. I have to get up at 5:30 and you just got the adrenaline going. Goodnight again!
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Vaught
Odds are the decision about Gillispie’s future has already been made. Odds are there has already been some indirect contact with potential coaches.
Two years ago when Tubby Smith resigned at UK and left for Minnesota, it caught UK by surprise. A hurried coaching search centered on Florida coach Billy Donovan, who eventually said no thanks. Kentucky wasted little time turning to Gillispie because of his work at Texas A&M and was so eager to bring him on board that he wasn’t required to sign a contract — and still hasn’t.
This time Barnhart has had ample time to get his wish list of coaches together, research them and get a genuine feel for what interest there is in this job.
Expect something quickly from UK. Gillispie, if he truly doesn’t already know his fate, deserves to know. His players deserve to know because the decision on whether he stays or goes will impact who is at UK next year. And the fans deserve to know who is going to be running the program.
"Yeah, the guy wearing the $4,000 suit is holding the elevator for the guy who doesn't make that in four months. COME ON! "--GOB
by Thomas Hunt Morgan on Mar 25, 2009 11:00 PM EDT reply actions
It is illegal
To search for a state employee’s replacement while that employee is on the payroll.
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by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
but what college coach that would qualify
as a top tier coach could already have been contacted – they are all still coaching and i just do not see mitch leaving the postion open until the FF is over……..
you think the media storm is bad now… that would be a nightmare.
by memphis wildcat on Mar 25, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
what about the guys at VCU and Missouri. Are they viable?
Not saying I’ve given up on BCG. But it’s not looking good.
Now that our boys are on the plane home, I feel okay about speculating.
by Gobe Igbloo on Mar 25, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
i like both those guys, but
i am betting they go with someone with FF experience next time – unless bcg gets 4-5 years.
i just do not see going with a up and comer after two years.
by memphis wildcat on Mar 25, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Mike Anderson concerns me
I don’t know if he can recruit or not. Not enough time at Mizzou to know.
by TheFakeGimelMartinez on Mar 25, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I listened to the audio of Vaught
Until I heard the part about a “quick fix” that the AD and Todd wanted. That just blew my mind. Yeah get Coach G in here and let him work his butt off for 2 years getting his recruits and then fire him. Let someone else come in and take over. What a joke!
That statement that always comes up
“..caught UK by surprise…” was the second thing that made me think Barnyard’s got his head up his butt. How can anyone in his position be so naive or stupid.
or have such a poor relationship with his coach
that he does not know he is about to leave…..
barnhard – a poor relationship with his coach…interesting thought.
by memphis wildcat on Mar 26, 2009 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought this comment was interesting
“He knows everything about basketball. He loves basketball. He loves Kentucky. He loves being here. I am just confident he will be here,” Patterson said. “If they do get rid of him, I can’t say what would happen to the program. But I do think Kentucky would be losing a great coach.”
from
http://www.amnews.com/public_html/?module=displaystory&story_id=48869&format=html
We will lose Patterson if BG is not the coach. Bank it
I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!
Agreed.
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by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
10ken
PP said the opposite at the post game presser on ESPN
by blue oregon on Mar 25, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Numbers And Opinion
In first game of season UK lost to VMI; Keydets 14/31 3’s 45.2%; Cats had 25 TO’s leading to 33 VMI points while scoring only 12 points themselves off turnovers.
In last game of season UK lost ND; Irish 12/25 3’s 48%; Cats only 10 TO’s but lead to 17 ND points while scoring only 2 points themselves off turnovers.
Now much transpired between then and now but it retrospect UK never was able to take care of the ball which led to far many opponents’ points plus disrupted any semblance of offensive cohesion. Neither was UK able to consistently defend the 3.
To see so little improvement in those two areas says much about players and coaching it seems to me. And those aren’t the only aspects that didn’t appreciably improve with rebounding on the defensive board being the most prominent.
As to the opinion I’ll reiterate previous posts: I called in on 5 occasions to Coach’s radio show and the subject of my questions was the same just in different context: Coach, do you really understand UK fans and the enormity of the program in the Commonwealth? Each time from his initial show until the one following end of regular season the answer was always the same: He did understand. I never believed him. I believe he was in over his head – as many coaches would (will) be – from the beginning and it was proved by his uneasiness with public and media — not an unusual reaction for a person with a feeling of inadequacy. Further indication is/was his impulsiveness on the recruiting scene, a near panic need to sign impact players.
As to the future, Larry Vaught may be correct in his Calipari/Donovan theory but if I were forced to predict the next coach it would be: Travis Ford.
Travis Ford = Train Wreck
Simply not ready for UK level of basketball with just 1 year at BCS school.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 25, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
the only way travis is not a train wreck
is if he comes 10 years from now after bcg has hung another banner (or after a decent run by someone else for 8 to 10 years).
and do not get me wrong – i would love to see ford at uk but only under circumstances that give him a fair shot of succeeding…
by memphis wildcat on Mar 25, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
WW
what’s his calipari/donovan theory?
by memphis wildcat on Mar 26, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
JOhn Clay:
The nearly foregone conclusion is that he hasn’t passed UK’s judgment with flying colors, that President Lee Todd and Athletics Director Mitch Barnhart will announce soon that a change is being made, that a 40-27 record and a differing interpretation of job description will cause the program to move in a different direction.
UK media seem to be placing their bets that BCG’s gone.
"Yeah, the guy wearing the $4,000 suit is holding the elevator for the guy who doesn't make that in four months. COME ON! "--GOB
by Thomas Hunt Morgan on Mar 25, 2009 11:07 PM EDT reply actions
THM
Clay admitted he felt that change was necessary on his live game blog tonight.
by blue oregon on Mar 25, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
OverThePylon
You keep saying that it’s illegal to search for a state employee’s replacement while that employee is on the payroll. Could you link me the Kentucky law/regulation that state’s that? I tried googling a bunch of phrases but didn’t find any laws.
by TheFakeGimelMartinez on Mar 25, 2009 11:13 PM EDT reply actions
Well, that's an assumption on my part
I work for a public state university and have done so in three different states. All have had those laws on the books.
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by OverThePylon on Mar 25, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I really hope the "powers that be" look
really hard at a coach in the big east. They would come to lex with recruiting ties to ny, philly, boston, ect, and also come with the knowledge of how to build an athletic team that can win in the best conf. I vote wright or dixon.

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