Kentucky 65 @ Creighton 63: Postmortem
First of all, a confession.
This week, with all the talk of replacing the UK men's basketball coach after only two years on the job and the long interregnum between games during which we were treated to lots and lots of that other tournament going on right now, my emotional stability has been seriously strained. In the mornings, I approach my own blog with reluctant trepidation, expecting to see some new apocalyptic revelation that is either upon us or just on the horizon.
Tonight, at the end of the game, I was completely drained, probably as much due to the hard day at work as to the nip-and-tuck nature of the contest. After it was over, I barely cheered, just numb with pressure and frustration and the fatigue of a long season gone horribly wrong -- until I realized that we won the game, that last shot didn't fall like so many others have, and the 'Cats will live to play one more game at least.
Second, congratulations to the Creighton Bluejays, a truly worthy foe and a blast from a distant past when so much was different. Dana Altman is a terrific coach, and Creighton came within maybe two inches on Booker Woodfox's jumper of sticking yet another dagger into a Kentucky team that already looks like a voodoo doll having a bad needle day. But the basketball gods decided, for whatever reason, to grant the Wildcats ten lives instead of the usual nine, and they prevailed in a defensive struggle with the #1 seeded Bluejays.
You would think I would be all smiles, and I am happy, but tightness of the game combined with all the rumormongering has just taken too much out for me to properly enjoy this victory, at least now. It is great knowing we beat a team that really should have received an at-large invitation to the NCAA tournament. I must confess, being in the NIT has been a different and not nearly as unpleasant an experience as I expected. This year's NIT has been very competitive and very exciting, certainly rivaling that other tournament for drama, if not glamor and prestige.
As they have every single game recently, Kentucky played very hard and very determined basketball. Their execution varied from pretty good to downright poor, but a lot of that was due to a remarkable defensive effort by Creighton. The Bluejays, as have most teams recently, decided that they would try to let the rest of the team beat them rather than chance a defeat at the hands of Patterson and Meeks. For the most part, they shut Meeks down completely until midway through the second half, when the Bluejay defenders finally began to wear down and Meeks' superior athleticism and stamina took over. But it nearly was too little, too late.
Observations:
- If UK had another quality post player, there would be no defending us.
- If UK had one more serious perimeter threat, there would be no defending us.
- Ramon Harris played what I consider to be one of his best overall games as a Wildcat. He was very aggressive when we needed someone to be and delivered big plays, as well as tough defense. 9 points and 8 assists to go with 4 rebounds.
- Perry Stevenson wound up with a double-double, 13 points 10 rebounds, but it didn't feel like that good a game for some reason. Perry continues to hesitate when he should just shoot.
- Patrick Patterson, hampered by fouls, did OK, but he just seemed to struggle to get into position to receive the ball.
- DeAndre Liggins looked very good out there tonight, despite having only 3 points and one assist.
- Jodie Meeks wore 'em down like he always does. It must be frustrating to be face-guarded all the time like that.
- Michael Porter was as good tonight as he is ever likely to be.
- Darius Miller wasn't as good as he has been lately, but he still chipped in with five points and two assists.
- UK got outrebounded by a much smaller team. How does this keep happening?
- Nice call by Gillispie on that last play. I think we should clear out for Meeks more often.
- Kevin Galloway seemed really out of control and unfocused tonight.
- A.J. Stewart tried too hard to make plays, and wound up not helping much, although he did get a couple of rebounds. Maybe Gillispie should have let him play more.
- Harrellson missed 3 layups. That's not good.
- Kentucky took fairly decent care of the ball tonight. I hope it's a trend.
- The largest lead by UK was the final difference. The lead changed 13 times and was tied 9. That is the very definition of a close game.
- Seems a tornado hit in the Omaha area while the game was going on. What is it about Kentucky and tornadoes? Is God trying to tell us something?
- The Creighton fans were terrific. I was really impressed with them.
I am very pleased to beat a #1 seed, even in the NIT. To me, this is like some kind of throwback to the 1975-76 when UK won the NIT and I was off to my first year at Western. It was a lot more prestigious then than it is now, but it was beginning to lose its luster. Still, this year's NIT seems like a prize worth taking, if we can do it. Getting past this tough little team was definitely a step in the right direction.
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Tru
your feeling are well represented in BBN. I felt the same way. Although in the last few minutes I began to tear up thinking of what was about to come our way if we lost, but somehow winning tonight made me feel better. It made me feel that what BG has been saying is true……..this is becoming a team. Maybe holding Meeks out some, he is showing the kids that they shouldn’t just rely on Meeks to score the baskets. I don’t know and don’t care, because we finished the game tonight. I was so proud of that. I was proud of Patterson and Meeks coaching out on the floor….that is what you have asked for and you got it. I was proud of BG cheering them on ..on the sidelines. I was proud of them never losing their composure. This seems like a deteremined team. This tells me one thing that I needed to know……..they love their coach. Not all of them but the ones that count do. So I am fully in BG’s court now. That is all I care about ……their feelings. Maybe Billy has already made the adjustments that he needed. I think if Billy is fired at this point it would not be good. I feel safe to say that he is here for next year. I really really do and its a gut feeling.
I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!
by tenken on Mar 24, 2009 12:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The best reason not to rely on Meeks scoring threes is that he is no longer making them.
Both Porter and Miller have outshot Jodie from three over the last quarter of the season or so. Jodie is shooting only 23.2% from three over the last seven games — about what Liggins is shooting from three for the year, which is pathetic.
Porter is at 33% and Miller at 32% for the year, but both have shot better than Jodie of late.
LAST TEN THREES:
Miller 10/19 (11 games @ 56.2)
Porter 10/25 (six games @ 40.0)
Meeks 10/43 (seven games @ 23.2)
Liggins 10/45 (29 games at 22.2)
Relying on Meeks to hit the three has been a recipe for disaster for us this year. He has missed 75 three’s and shot a paltry 28.6% from three in our 13 losses. That per centage drops to a mere 22.5 % if you leave out the two losses to USC, wherein Jodie shot well. His combined 1 for 12 against LSU cost us both games, not to mention his 30 misses out of 41 shots taken in our first four losses.
I am a Jodie Meeks fan, but he is certainly human and slumping, and our other guys like Miller and Porter have been having to get the job done, and will certainly have to continue to do so if we are to continue winning.
by Ken Pomeroy on Mar 24, 2009 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i yelled like we had won the NC
like you Tru, when it looked dire, i dreaded the end of the season and what was to come.
when meeks hit the free throw, i thought we had left too much time on the clock.
but, deep, deep down inside, i just believed (maybe hoped) that after espn has showed the 3 last second losses, that it would be OUR turn to come out on the long end.
when meeks rebounded that last shot, i jumped like i have not in a long time over a game. i sort of felt foolish because it was just to get to the elite 8 of the NIT.
and, yes, it is just the NIT, but for these kids and this coach – who have worked so hard – i was very very happy for them
lets keep the fun going into south bend!!
by memphis wildcat on Mar 24, 2009 12:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that pissed me off when espn showed the "3 loss montage"
Just another example of sports media yelling “WE HATE KENTUCKY! WE LOVE IT WHEN THEY LOSE!”
Did they even show ANY clip of the 54 point AND 3 point shot record breakers?! The kid broke 2 school records in one stinkin game! Did they even show that? (if they did, smack me, i didn’t see it)
by uk1982 on Mar 24, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
now, now....
…They also followed that up with, “If UK wins those 3 games, they’re in the NCAA’s, that how close they were”…
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Mar 24, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good TV
I thought it was a timely and correct decision by the director who calls and schedules those type of inserts. In their pre-game planning they obviously anticipated a last shot opportunity and planned to include the 3 losses. I’m a bit surprised they didn’t have video of Meek’s 3 versus Gators to show in UK’s last possession.
by Wild Weasel on Mar 24, 2009 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry Tru, at least one more game to write about ;-)))
Good news is coming, in fact, just to cheer you up:
The halftime report during the St. Marys/Davidson game gave highlights of the Ky/Creighton game and not once did they say the words – embattled, hot-seat, jeopardy, future, replace or unknown. In fact, absolutely nothing was said pertaining to our coach outside the realm of the game. Pinch me, I’m in shock.
by hoboat33 on Mar 24, 2009 12:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I've thought about this for about 2 minutes or so, but ...
… regardless of G’s previous “bad-behavior” (which is the root cause of this turmoil), if UK manages a win in South Bend, I think it would be very hard for Barnhart to fire him, if that is indeed his plan.
I’’m not pretending to have ANY IDEA of Barnhart’s plans, but a victory Tuesday will severely limit his options.
At least in my opinion.
by Ken Howlett on Mar 24, 2009 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why Stop In South Bend?
Let’s W in NYC at MSG too.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 24, 2009 6:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can I also
say this………….Florida, Auburn, Kentucky still in the tourney post season………….LSU, Tenn, MSU NOT!!!
I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!
by tenken on Mar 24, 2009 12:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Har, har, har!
That really is an amusing observation, and will get increasingly more so if Fla. and Aub. advance as well.
by Ken Pomeroy on Mar 24, 2009 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad South Carolina lost
An all SEC NIT final four would have been a nice slap at the critics. Still, 3 out of 4 wouldn’t be too shabby, either.
by hoboat33 on Mar 24, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
Tru,
I discovered your site a year ago about this time. I can read how difficult (at times) writing your Kentucky A Sea of Blue is for you this season.
I grew up in Lexington and now live and work in Oregon. Every several years, I get to visit KY and see the Cats in person. I got to see a game over the Christmas holiday this season. I also travel to see the Cats when I can (Aneheim CA last year). I truly love and honor the tradition of my Wildcats like you and thousands of others do.
Your words are always respectful, insightful, logical, full of KY basketball history and lots of basketball data (like your postmortem) that makes reading your ASoB very enjoyable.
ASoB continues to be remarkably positive and yet honest, even during our disappointing season. As you have written all season, a good nights sleep and the light of day brings with it promise.
There is promise for Kentucky Basketball. I like to believe that we have seen a significant step of promise this evening.
As my father, a Kentucky native (still lives there), always says: keep your chin up!!
by blue oregon on Mar 24, 2009 12:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Heh.
Thanks. Yeah, it’s always better in the morning. :-)
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Mar 24, 2009 6:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 W Over Good Teams
UNLV and Creighton are both good teams.
Notre Dame is another. 3 W over those teams would (will) be nice.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 24, 2009 6:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Very nice.
This win took some of the sting out of that sick losing streak at the end of the regular season. One more might just make the memory start to fade a little. :-)
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Mar 24, 2009 6:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More to Life
I have spent many a sleepless night because of UK basketball. And several have been during this season. My wife likes to remind me that it is just a game. That seems to ring true when I read the first part of Tru’s post. All of us,including myself,can get too worked up about UK basketball. When watching UK becomes more of a chore than a pleasure,it may be time to take a step back.
As far as last nights win,I only got to watch the last 5 mins or so. Turns out it was the best part. Great win over a very good and well coached team at a tough place to play. Go Cats!!
by maysvilleblue on Mar 24, 2009 7:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow
As the game came down to the last possession, I had to scoot my Bloodhound out of the way, get up off my butt, and go grab a hold of the bar in my family room. I thought of the impending depression and possible heart attack that I usually follows a last second loss. But, WOW. The shot fell short and my Cats walked away winners. I forgot all about th BS and enjoyed the moment. I’m very proud of these guys that wear Kentucky across the front of their jersey’s. I may live in Florida but I’ll be wearing my UK hat to work today.
The more people I meet, the more I like my Bloodhound.
by Blue Bloodhound on Mar 24, 2009 7:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This was a nice win.
Ugly as methuselah but it was a win and not another heartbreaking loss. One more road game before a neutral site calls our name. It would be awesome to get two or more SEC teams in Final Four of NIT.
by bluecrip on Mar 24, 2009 8:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Are the legs in BigSky's avatar really hers?
by mrmondaynite on Mar 24, 2009 8:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Let's go Cats - one more win! (at least)
One more win and I will get to see them in person at MSG for the first time in a long time. Can’t wait! Go Cats!
C! A! T! S! CATS! CATS! CATS!
by NYCCats on Mar 24, 2009 8:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I know how you feel, Tru.
When the game was in its final minutes I was sitting on the edge of my bed bargaining with God (again) – you know, “if we win I will try to be a better person” and such ;)
Seriously though – right there at the end, I was SO nervous. I even said (very sadly) to my husband, “If we lose tonight, they will fire Billy tomorrow.” He was beyond shocked to hear me say that since I have always been suck a proponent of Gillispie and have said repeatedly that I just could not believe that UK would do such a thing, but that is just how much this rumor-mongering has beaten me down. Something I once felt so sure of, I now cant help but fear.
I so hope that we can win whatever it will take to keep our Coach, but at the same time hate that it even has to be that way.
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 24, 2009 9:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Billy Gillispie was not going to be fired...
Even if we had lost last night. And the link below to an article in Lexington Herald Leader proves it. It was written just over 3 weeks ago. Barnhart clearly states in this article that is going to take time to replenish the current UK roster. Barnhart even defends BCG in this article, stating the following after the loss to LSU at home:
“This was the SEC Coach of the Year last year,” Barnhart said of Gillispie (an award shared with Tennessee’s Bruce Pearl). “We lost two players (the graduated Joe Crawford and Ramel Bradley) who were scorers and experienced scorers, who were the kind of guys who made plays at the end of games like we lost today.”
Why is it that this article has not been referenced by anyone in the media? All this talk by the media about BCG being fired is ridiculous.
Here’s the article:
http://www.kentucky.com/287/story/710606.html
BCG will be back at UK next year – and I was very happy for the Cats last night. Nice win in a very hostile environment. Notre Dame will be a tough team to beat though at home. Hopefully that Cats play with the same hustle in tomorrow’s game.
Go Cats!
by Sharpera on Mar 24, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He ain't going nowhare kentuckygirl
I just found out that this has all been a smear campaign by UNC/ESPN to distract us from the business of winning at hand. It is their last hope before we run off with the all time wins and leave them in the dust. Plus they know the rabidity of some of our fans and better than a keg and some sheep, starting rumors about our coach, is sure to fire them up. Unfortunately the retards at the local mags can’t quite grasp that….must have gotten a shipment of lamb chops….for they are perpetuating the “crisis.”
Mitch and Billy have been drinking brandy and smoking cigars laughing at the nitwits who believe that crap. There WILL BE some changes next year but a new coach isn’t one of them. Give your hubby a big hug and let him know you are allright. He’ll feel better knowing. :) keep the faith girl!
GO BIG BLUE!!!
by bluecrip on Mar 24, 2009 9:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I Don't Know Much FOR SURE
But I am 1000% certain that Barnhart and Gillispie aren’t drinking brandy together.
With G’s unfortunate history (2 DUI arrests), I just don’t think that ever happened.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 24, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
okay.....
they were sharing RC Cola’s and moon pies. I thought I’d spice it up a bit for the blog but the truth must come out.
by bluecrip on Mar 24, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dr Pepper
G drinks Dr Pepper.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 24, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not with Mitch
mitch is an RC man and if Billy wants to keep his job he drinks RC with mitch….:)
by bluecrip on Mar 24, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could say
But I would get banned, this being a family place and all…….
lol
by btcoop71 on Mar 24, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
even though we are big blue fans we can not
give big blue comments. :) ahhhh well.
by bluecrip on Mar 24, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never thought BG would be fired,but...
there will still be that meeting between BG and MB and there will be things brought up that he must change. Especially the way he deals with the media. And if he doesn’t agree to change,then he may walk. I think MB has plan B ready if,and I say IF,that were to happen. I think things could get interesting yet,NIT success or not. Remember,it’s still the NIT. Oh,I am happy as can be with how the team has responded,but they should have responded like this a month earlier. There are still things to be sorted out in Lexington.
by maysvilleblue on Mar 24, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Check How Many (Current) NCAA Sweet 16 Teams Played In NIT This Decade
You might be surprised.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 24, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most Of The Rest
Not Kansas either.
Nor Gonzaga (I think).
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 24, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
this team should have responded MUCH EARLIER!@!!!!!!
by bluecrip on Mar 24, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It Did (16-4 Start)
But 4-9 finish is inexplicable.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 24, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was referring to the 4-9 finish.
Not the 16-4 start. And many of those 16 wins were against very suspect teams,to say the least.
by maysvilleblue on Mar 24, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nah, there were some good wins in that first 16
West Virginia, K State, @Tennessee, Auburn. The bottom of the non-conference schedule was really weak, but there were still some good wins at the top and in the first 5 games of the SEC schedule.
I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra
by JLeverenz on Mar 24, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WV was a good win. UT were good wins....
not so sure about the other two. But even if you were to count K-State,that’s only 2 non-conference “quality” wins. They must do better than that next year. The Auburn win looked good later in the season but at the time it was considered a “bad win”,if there is such a thing.
by maysvilleblue on Mar 24, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess it depends on how strict you're going to be about what constitutes a "good" win
It’s true there were only 2 non-conference quality wins, but there were only 5 opportunities to get those wins (those two plus UNC, Miami, FL, UL) so 2-3, while not great to be sure, is still not terrible.
The 5-0 SEC start included 3 road wins. I don’t care who the opponents are, conference road wins are always good wins.
Auburn turned out to be much better than we thought at the time, but that only goes to show the danger in clinging too tightly to judgments made before more information comes available.
I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra
by JLeverenz on Mar 24, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NIT Quarterfinals
Mar. 24 Tues. Baylor at Auburn 7:00 p.m., ET ESPN
Mar. 24 Tues. Penn St. at Florida 9:00 p.m., ET ESPN
Mar. 25 Wed. Kentucky at Notre Dame 7:00 p.m., ET ESPN2
Mar. 25 Wed. Saint Mary’s at San Diego State 9:00 p.m., ET ESPN2
GBB!!!
by OGETARTS on Mar 24, 2009 9:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Most Of Those Teams Are NCAA Caliber
The NIT Elite 8 has some good teams remaining.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 24, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right on bluecrip
Like your attitude!
"You are what you are and you ain't what you ain't"
by iam4ukintn on Mar 24, 2009 9:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thank you
I’m here all week. please tip your waitresses or I’ll get deleted. ;0
Seriously, all the “far billy” stuff is old but fun to pick on folks (those that attest to that notion)
by bluecrip on Mar 24, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Precious VERY Few Want To "Far" Him
The great GREAT majority (here on ASOB) think he deserves AT LEAST 2-3 more years.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 24, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
which keeps me coming back here
i like the level headed folks who post here and find myself amused by those that come here spewing caca.
as for the precious few who want to “far” him…apparently there are hordes of folks that don’t get on the internets or have found this loverly site who feel exactly that way. read other post where people on the street are all in an uproar and causing one of our members grief because of all the “far” billy talk. sad.
by bluecrip on Mar 24, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's those same people
who want to “far” BCG now, that this time next year, after UK does well and the rumors start up that BCG is going to leave UK, will be saying “please stay, don’t leave”!
I remember right after the team turmoil season of 2002 a lot of people wanted OTS fired. Then the next season he went 32-4, and rumors started about North Carolina being interested in OTS. Those same people who wanted OTS fired the year before were scared to death he was going to leave.
by Sharpera on Mar 24, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
kinda like the sky is falling routine
unless something major is happening with the program these folks’s lives just are not complete. if it’s not something major in the positive (Final Four, etc) then the negative will suffice.
Fortunately, I live in another state (wierd I said that, I know) so I get to see the situation from the “outside”. Also, I get to see the same crap happen here (Arkansas) because they have some fans that are just as rabid and just as mental when it comes to their program.
by bluecrip on Mar 24, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah
Every fanbase has the rabid “sky is falling” fans. Heck Indiana’s fan’s bascially drove Mike Davis to UAB’s front door, only 3 or 4 years after making the championship game.
But yet those type of fans only exist at Kentucky, if you listen to the media.
by Sharpera on Mar 24, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
jacked up thing is...
i work in the media and it’s non stop. even my buddies keep asking me if coach is getting canned. the crap has spread to non UK fans! SHEESH!!!!
by bluecrip on Mar 24, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's unbelievable
I also have been asked by some non UK fans about BCG’s future. Because they are non UK fans, they only know the rumors going around and nothing more. When I tell them I believe BCG will be back next year, they look at me like I’m from another planet.
by Sharpera on Mar 24, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You've got tentacles growing out
of your head too!!!!!!!? ;)
by bluecrip on Mar 24, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
on to the subject at hand...Notre Dame
didn’t they give Louisville fits this year? Like a big loss and an OT, that I don’t remember who won?
Luke the Red-Headed Stepchild can be a problem. (That’s not a real slam against redheads….see my avatar…. that’s just a joke that red heads can get away with saying about each other.)
So, Forty promised me another “W” for tomorrow, but in the clear light of day, are we all still feeling confident?
And question two, did I see zone last night or was that simply confusion that briefly mimicked a 3-2?
by StillCatwoman on Mar 24, 2009 10:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
UK apparently played
A triangle and 2 defense for a period in the 2nd half. Until Meeks lost Woodfox and he hit a 3, then BCG went back to Man to Man.
by Sharpera on Mar 24, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
right I saw that!
are we thinking this indicates a slight change of heart by our coach?
by StillCatwoman on Mar 24, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, W Tomorrow
ND is a good team.
But UK > ND (like Creighton).
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 24, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Notre Dame beat U of L at home by 33 points
They lost at U of L by 14 in OT
GBB!!!
by OGETARTS on Mar 24, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could be...
But the players have to be able to run that defense correctly. Woodox and Stinnet’s defenders lost them while we were in that defense, and they both hit wide open 3’s, so BCG went back to man to man.
Just another example of why the players have to be accountable for some of the breakdowns on offense/defense. It’s not BCG’s fault all the time.
by Sharpera on Mar 24, 2009 10:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The UK Players In 2006 And 2007 Were Probably Better Than 22 W
And the UK players in 2008 and 2009 are surely better than 18 W and 22 W also.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 24, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This was on KSR

3rd girl from the left making her parent proud……
by btcoop71 on Mar 24, 2009 10:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That image, reminded me of this one...
http://carcino.gen.nz/images/index.php/00b9a680/5c0b3513
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Mar 24, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and we like to give it to them!
especially that one!
by bluecrip on Mar 24, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
huh?
am I old? blind? I can’t find Waldo in this pic. What is 3rd girl doing that I am missing? (And if it is raunchy, tell me in code, so I am not embarrassed) :)
by StillCatwoman on Mar 24, 2009 11:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
OH!
blush got it.
But thank you. I saw that on KSR, earlier, and just didn’t get it.
by StillCatwoman on Mar 24, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And She (Kinda) Looks Like Monica Lewinski, Too
I think.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 24, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not doing but what is on her shirt
think oral
by bluecrip on Mar 24, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know it's the NIT but...
Getting some experience in A postseason tournament has to help our chances for next year. Every extra game is more experience for our returning players. Plus, I saw on ESPN the other day that 13 NIT champions have gone to the NCAA Final four the next year (don’t know how recent any of those were, but interesting none-the-less). Makes you think that maybe that extra experience matters.
Props to Ramon for handing out 8 of our 16 assists last night!
We’ve ended UNLV and now Creighton’s seasons so far, hopefully we can knock off a tough Notre Dame team next.
by ben-p on Mar 24, 2009 11:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Excellent thoughts as always Tru
I agree with the Stevenson and Miller evaluations. For Perry, 2 plays last night summed up his season:
- A Creighton player got an offensive rebound on the baseline close to the basket, but Perry was in between. Instead of standing his ground and putting his hands up to force the guy to either take a difficult, high arcing shot or move the ball out and reset the offense, Perry reached in to do – well, I’m not sure really – but it had the predictable effect of getting a foul called.
- On offense, Perry got the ball at the elbow with about 6 seconds left on the shot clock and wide open. His first look was inside to Patterson – that was a good idea, but Patterson was double teamed and Creighton had the passing lane cut off so Perry looked at the basket and made that pseudo-shot-fake-that-isn’t-really-a-shot-fake motion of his. That was a perfect time to take that shot – one that we have seen Perry hit a lot, but instead he brought the ball down again, made a pass to Patterson at which point there was about 1 second left on the shot clock and Patterson had to take a quick, off balance, poor shot that bounced off the side of the backboard and resulted in a violation.
The team is doing exactly what you would hope they would in the NIT – they are getting better and we’re starting to many of the other guys take steps forward in their development. Harris and Miller are both getting better. Porter is continuing the good outside shooting from the end of the season and Liggins is giving the team solid minutes and showing what he can do from the PG spot – plus he’s hit a 3 in two straight games!
I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra
by JLeverenz on Mar 24, 2009 11:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cats.
last night was a fun night…good to see the Cats leave it on the floor…this team can flat get after it on defense and with two more players would be (and would have been) a top 20 squad. This was a top 25 team on their home floor and the Cats never quit, never backed down and finally pulled one out in the end. End of the day with a true point and a true post, this team is significantly different. BCG has his quirks, but he is our coach and has to be given the time, resources and opportunity to rebuild the team. The fringe element is awfully loud these days and the Clay and Tipton’s of the world are trying to sell a dying brand. I think that is why there hasn’t been any word from the AD or the Administration…this is Kentucky. The program is not where we want it to be, but it will. This is painful, but it will get through it. BCG is still a young coach, but Coach K had his share of lumps his first four years. Keep the faith…help is on the way and it’s fun to watch this team turn the corner. Go Cats.
by bradylteague on Mar 24, 2009 11:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mark Story (LHL Today)
2. The University of Kentucky. If the Kentucky administration has off-court or philosophical issues that explain why Billy Gillispie’s hold on the UK coaching job seems so tenuous, so be it. They presumably are in position to know things about how Billy G. has gone about his job that are not fully apparent to the rest of us.
1. Billy Gillispie. But if it is a basketball decision being made, two years are not a fair trial upon which to render a final judgment on a coach.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 24, 2009 11:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with... point 1...
..er, yeah, point 1, but the 2nd point listed… I think… lol
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Mar 24, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All
of the sudden they are ALL changing their tunes.
I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!
by tenken on Mar 24, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ALL....?
That sounds like Mary Story is, but not all…
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Mar 24, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vince
you want a piece of me???? Just kidding. Jerry Tipton is sounding more pro BG now too. Don’t know about John Clay
I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!
by tenken on Mar 24, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the way...
I love your footer, it’s exactly the way i feel…!
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Mar 24, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
second
time I have had to tell you young man its dudette not dude :). And thanks!
I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!
by tenken on Mar 24, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One more thing, Miss tenken
On Thursday, September 10th, it’s ON….!!!
That’s when the mighty Steelers open the 2009 season against the Tennessee Titans
Bring it..!
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Mar 24, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're Out Of Thumbs (6 Super Bowl W)
Dick`s Sporting Goods
Wincraft Pittsburgh Steelers Custom 3×5 Flag
Perks Price: $59.99
FYI.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 24, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Already got it...!
lol
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Mar 24, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
PS (OT Reply) My Dad was Born In Carnegie PA
What’s a gum band?
What’s a bubbler?
Who are yuns?
Who are Primanti Bros?
What’s a Half A Pound Of Jumbo?
(Piitsburgher quiz)
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 24, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LMAO
What’s a gum band? rubber band
What’s a bubbler? not a clue…
Who are yuns? Ya’ll (in Kentucky)
Who are Primanti Bros? I don’t know them, but they make a great slaw samich’.. lol
What’s a Half A Pound Of Jumbo? Kinda like Gumbo in Kentucky…
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Mar 24, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 Out Of 5
Bubbler = public water fountain.
Half a pound of jumbo = bologna.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 24, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good to know...
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Mar 24, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another Pitt quiz.........
A PA buddy of mine sent this for ya too:
define these words:
Red up
Buggy
Pittsburgh Pot
what would you expect to get if you ordered:
Chipped ham
Pigs in the blanket
Ham pot pie
Scrapple
Sundowner
Homefries
by slidemank on Mar 24, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not from Pennsylvania, but my sister-in-law lives in Philly, and
I LOVE scrapple. Best breakfast meat-thing ever.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on Mar 24, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scrapple makes biscuits and gravy look like a health food. I had it once and reacted like a trip to Mexico.
by hoboat33 on Mar 24, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh.
Well, the only time I had it was on the Saturday Reading Terminal open market craziness, at a regular breakfast stand operated by a great Pennsylvania Dutch (not sure if Amish or not) family.
I had it on a biscuit, with egg and cheese. I’m sure it almost killed me.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on Mar 25, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's the place:
http://www.readingterminalmarket.org/merchants/view/40
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on Mar 25, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Red Up = Get Ready
Buggy (not sure) but car, maybe.
Pitt-Pott? No idea.
Those foods are Breakfast meals.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 24, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Answers
Red up – to clean up around (like around your house) “Straighten up”, clean up whatever…
Buggy – a shopping cart
Pittsburgh Pot – A working stand alone toilet in the basement, just sitting there by itself.
what would you expect to get if you ordered;
Chipped ham – VERY thinly sliced ham
Pigs in the blanket – Cabbage stuffed with beef and rice
Ham pot pie – ham soup with homemade noodles and potatoes
Scrapple – you got this one.
Sundowner (this is a tough one, and might not be widely used but I wanted to mention it) – A hamburger with a fried egg and chili sauce.
homefries – you got it, but it’s potatoes sliced and cooked in a pan not fried in grease. you can’t get them around here…
by slidemank on Mar 25, 2009 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One More > Only Wildcat (Ever) From Pittsburgh?
http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/Statistics/Players/Zeaman_Sam.html
Just 1 – thanks to JPS website.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 25, 2009 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Homefries
Heard a different recipe for homefries as the same as lambfries or rocky mountain oysters – hurts the think about, but pretty good tasting.
by hoboat33 on Mar 25, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hehe
Lambfries are absolutely mouth watering.
Reminds me that many years ago my dad gave me some bull****. I had never tasted them. So I cooked them up with homefries and gravy and all the fix’ins. They were delicious and so tender that my son thought it was pork tenderloin. He had already had 2 big platefuls of everything at that point. Hubby finally told him what they were. Well…..
by kykat51 on Mar 25, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh
gosh…….I saw that yesterday! I cannot believe we have to play yall first game! That stupid terrible towel incident is going to come back to haunt us I am afraid! Stupid stupid stupid!
I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!
by tenken on Mar 24, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure it will be in the locker room...
…The Steelers players were talking about it when they thought they would meet in the playoffs, but the Titans lost to the Ravens…
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Mar 24, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have
a feeling the a few players will have Keith Bullock’s number on that night. I just hope we get Jay Culter somehow. Then that will be a game!
Oh and thanks for reminding me about losing to those stupid birds. I HATE THE RAVENS!
I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!
by tenken on Mar 24, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't recall anyone at the LHL saying BCG should be fired
I DO recall speculation it may happen
I DO recall Clay’s very appropriate list of items BCG should do
I DO recall LHL asking BCG questions about his status
None of that adds up to any of them saying he should be fired. I’ve asked John Clay if he feels BCG should be fired and his answer was no, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t think it might still happen.
Hell, I don’t think he should be fired, but it could still happen.
by Ontherocks on Mar 24, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll Be STUNNED If He Is FIRED
I won’t be stunned if he leaves by choice or mutual agreement.
Surprised but NOT stunned.
No reason to FIRE the man.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 24, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They didn't explicitly call for his firing
but they sure didn’t do much to squelch the rumors, more like perpetuated them. Of course, Tipton finally presented a pro/con on firing BCG – and did a half-ass effort at that.
by hoboat33 on Mar 24, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nuts
Lets face it. Coaches, Athletic directors and UK presidents come and go. It is the fan base that makes UK basketball what it is. Mitch went out and signed a coach with very little success to a 2 million a year contract. You would have thought he was Slick Rick or Wooden with the long terms.When anyone throws that kind of money around it should be to someone with along proven record. His wasn’t and still isn’t. Mitch always heads out West where he came from to find a coach for a major sport. Are there no good coaches in the east or central areas. UK is one of a kind and yes the coach must please the fans or he is gone. The fans are ones who pay the salary and make the program what it is.At this time Mitch’s decision looks bad. Billy has done a poor job of coaching this year. But 2 years isn’t enough time to judge.The thing that bothers me is recruiting. I am not sure he is bringing in enough talent to take us back into the top 10 again. Recruiting will to improve or Billy ability to coach wont matter. Other schools sign 3 or 4 All Americans a year and we have a hard time getting one. Of course this is a hangover from the last coaching staff failures who were allowed to stay to long. Mitch you are 0 for 2.
by Lonnie Monroe on Mar 24, 2009 12:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Texas Is Close To 2000 Miles From Oregon
And Mitch just worked at Oregon State. He’s not from there.
He worked at Tennessee also.
The fans (generally) do not pay the coaches’ salaries. Big $ boosters who donate $$$ to UKAA do that.
No other schools regularly sign 3 or 4 HS All-Americans every year.
UK signed FAR fewer HS A-A in 1990’s than 70’s or 80’s but averaged 28 W (compared to fewer W in either 70’s or 80’s).
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 24, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Last Coaching Staff Failures?
The prior UK coaching staff was 219-58 in its first 8 years (21-7 in NCAA games). I presume you didn’t object?
That staff left in 2007. The only earlier departure would have been 2006. And THAT would be only 1 bad year after 8 good ones.
So if 2 YEARS isn’t enough time to judge, how come 1 YEAR was???
I think I know.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 24, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
EZ 40...
…That last remark is conjecture…
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Mar 24, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not At All
If 2 bad years (and 0 good years) is not enough, how come 1 bad year (after 8 good years) was enough?
I welcome any reasonable answer. The other staff left on its own after 2 bad years.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 24, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not arguing your point...
…but your remark, “I think I know”, is bordering on baiting…
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Mar 24, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 Years IS Not Enough
Unless the coach involved decides it is.
Regardless which coach, current or former.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 24, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That I agree with...
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Mar 24, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Easy answer. The graph showed an inexorable slide into mediocrity from which we are now struggling to escape.
“The other staff” inherited a National Championship program, but left after two consecutive years at 9-7 in a conference we should dominate.
Say what you want about BCG, his two-year record in the SEC (20-12) is two full games better than the final two year record of the staff he replaced (an embarassing 18-14). And if he goes ten years without taking UK to the Final Four, he also should and will be gone.
Need any more help understanding that, Forty?
by Ken Pomeroy on Mar 24, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blah-Blah-Blah
1998 = 35 W, NCAA, SEC, SECT.
1999 = 28 W, SECT, Elite 8.
2000 = 23 W, SEC.
2001 = 24 W, SEC, SECT, Sweet 16.
2002 = 22 W, Sweet 16.
2003 = 32 W, SEC, SECT, Elite 8.
2004 = 27 W, SECT.
2005 = 28 W, SEC, Elite 8.
2006 = 22 W.
2007 = 22 W.
Up and down, no inexorable slide at all.
And ROTFLMAO at claiming 20-12 in SEC (2008 and 09) is that much different than 18-14 in 2006 and 07.
The 06 and 07 teams were 3-2 in SECT vis-a-vis 1-2 by 08 and 09 teams.
So TOTAL SEC records (21-16, 21-14) are pretty similar.
UK D-I-D dominate the SEC from 1998 through 2007. 120-40 in SEC (#1 among 12 teams), 20-5 in SECT (#1 among 12 teams), 5 SEC titles (#1 among 12 teams), and 5 SECT championships (#1 among 12 teams.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 24, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
seen what I mean...
…it was baiting, and you got a bite… Unbelievable… simply unbelievable…
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Mar 24, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, I Disagree
21-14 vs. SEC opponents over 2 years is not enough of a sample size to send G packing. Agreed.
But 21-16 vs. SEC opponents over 2 years (after 119-29 vs. SEC opponents the prior 8 years) is doomsday, somehow?
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 24, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
funny how the newbie started it
that was me one time…..
however, i have learned to appreciate forty but i guess it is like a right of passage – there must me an unwritten rule in tru’s rules for new members – “you shall learn be shown the significance of stats by forty in your first post…”
by memphis wildcat on Mar 24, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe I have been "told"
Stats don’t matter. Results matter.
To that extent, the results of that coaching staff were declining, and there was a palpable restlessness among the fanbase that we were no longer playing Kentucky-type basketball. I believe we termed it Tubby – ball. A derision used to describe the lethargic style of ball our fans felt they were watching. We had seen top talent come, then leave under a cloud (Stone and Parker to name two). The perception that our team was in turmoil led to a label being affixed to one squad. All of these things, despite any numerical correlation, definitely point to Ken’s inexorable slide.
The Program was in fact sliding.
It has continued to bottom out the last two seasons.
At some point, we will watch the Cats play and we will all feel that mojo has returned. And I’d be willing to be that when that happens, the Stats and Results will both illustrate what we are all feeling. That the Cats are back.
by Bank$hot on Mar 24, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just a question
how are billy ball and tubby ball different? it looks the same to me – tough defense and a methodical offense set when a defensive steal does not lead to a fast break layup.
i am a billy supporter – but i never felt like we were getting the up and down coach that everyone wanted us to get…
i agree the mojo will be back and winning will “aid” the interpretation of stats to being positive….
by memphis wildcat on Mar 24, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Far
26-8 by one. 20-13 by the other.
I don’t care what style they play.
Billy Ball needs more W.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 24, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So
did Tubby ball in the last two years…………..this is just a down time. We will get through this.
I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!
by tenken on Mar 24, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tubby Averages 24 W Over 18 Seasons (9 L Too)
Billy averages 20 W and 12 L over 7 seasons.
Billy Ball needs more W, simple as that.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 24, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
last
two years Forty………last two years………the overall program has gone down in the last four years. We are all ready for it to get better. I for one think that its normal to go through this period but I am ready for it to get better.
BTW, what did you think about Dick Gabriels article today?
I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!
by tenken on Mar 25, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Think Gabriel's Article Had Many Facts Wrong
And stretched others beyond reality.
One example – he claimed Tubby went to Minnesota so he could hire Saul on his staff (and that was prohibited at UK).
Well, Saul was hired by Tubby to be on his UK staff in 2003-04 as graduate assistant. And his older GG also worked one year on his Dad’s UK staff a few years earlier.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 25, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Older BROTHER GG
Left out the Bro part.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 25, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I thought so too……it started with the last game being against Villanova. LOL. If this guy is supposed to be so knowledgable……….good grief you would think he would know that we beat Nova and lost to Kansas. Goodness gracious………he lost me there.
I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!
by tenken on Mar 25, 2009 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grad asst's don't make any money --
That may be the distinction.
by Ken Howlett on Mar 25, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps
But GG (his eldest son) was Manager on 2000-01 team.
Both Saul and GG worked on Tubby’s staff at UK.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 26, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From National Championship to SEC 9-7 "Also Ran"
is an inexorable slide, and we are seeing BCG get the blame for it even as we speak.
by Ken Pomeroy on Mar 24, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody can seriously argue that two consecutive years at 9-7 is domination.
It’s mediocrity, and it’s an invitation to hit the road.
by Ken Pomeroy on Mar 24, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
UK Has NEVER Dominated SEC EVERY Year
Not since 1933 when SEC was formed anyway.
Most years, sure. EVERY year, no.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 24, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
The fans do not pay the UK coaches salary. UK’s athletic department is self-sufficient, they do not rely on public monies.
by Ken Howlett on Mar 24, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would also add to all this hulabaloo
That Gillispie has signed 2 top rated players for next season in Orton and Hood, and 1 top rated player for the following season in Ferguson. He’s also signed some guys that could be very good or disappointing in Vilarino, Euton, and Ross-Miller, but I think all 3 will be solid contributors.
I don’t take any issue with his recruiting so far, and I don’t think many do.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on Mar 24, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd Compare His Recruiting To UNC, Duke, UConn, Louisville, Kansas, UCLA
And then see what you think.
His UK classes are good, not great (so far).
Pitino signed great classes from 1992 thru 95 then “slipped” to good, not great level in 1996 and 97.
Those (92 thru 95) classes had quite a run at UK from 1993 thru 99.
Tubby signed very good classes from 1998 thru 01 that had very good results from 1999 thru 2005.
His 2002 thru 2005 classes (except for 2004) were Good, Not Great classes.
Good, not great classes are OK somewhere else but not at UK.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 24, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ugh
Mitch always heads out West where he came from
ugh, yeah lets go from “no longer elite” to “totally irrelevant” by hiring “good ole boys” again. Pretty please?!?! I really miss probation!!!!
The fans are ones who pay the salary
double ugh, not even a smart enough comment to address with a serious factual rebuttal.
I come to this site to avoid junk like this.
by Ontherocks on Mar 24, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Got my Tickets!!!
Section 13 Row 14. The Cats are coming baby woohoo. I love how they are in my home state and its just as far as driving to Rupp.
Hopefully PPat and Frankengody stay out of foul trouble, it could be epic.
by IndyCat644 on Mar 24, 2009 12:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Plus...
…Jodie is due for a BIG ASS game…
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Mar 24, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not picking on JM, but he's been "due" for a while now.
Of course it is difficult to shoot a decent percentage when there’s a defender glued to his face.
by Ken Howlett on Mar 24, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have a great time and wear BLUE!
by Ken Howlett on Mar 24, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh of course...
Would the shirt, hat, wristband combo be overdoing it? ha-ha
by IndyCat644 on Mar 24, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
add the sweat pants...
…and you’ll be fine…!
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Mar 24, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and blue underwear
never hurt! : )
by blue kentucky girl on Mar 24, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and face paint!
gotta have face paint (of course, looks kinda stupid on anyone over 20 yo ;-) )
by hoboat33 on Mar 24, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The sign...
is a priority. Looking at the seating it looks like we are right across from the visitors bench. I need some good ideas for a pro-BCG sign.
by IndyCat644 on Mar 24, 2009 2:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BCS COY 2009 or
gillESPie Nut (ESPN)
by hoboat33 on Mar 24, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to change the surject
but has the wind hit central and bluegrass ares yet? It is blowing up a storm in west.
30 to 35 gusting to 50 mph.
by oldcat70 on Mar 24, 2009 2:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's been increasing slowly this afternoon.
The worst is supposed to hit tonight – inches of rain and gusty winds (Louisville).
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on Mar 24, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I should add
Still sunny and warm here though.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on Mar 24, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frankfort
Gusting around 20 right now, so not bad yet. Looks like the line is moving in pretty quickly though.
by slidemank on Mar 24, 2009 2:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sunny and 65..
In the Indianapolis area…sorry.
by IndyCat644 on Mar 24, 2009 2:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't know why.........
this game has been running through my head. i guess I never have gotten over it quite. Anybody remember the NCAA first round loss (50-44) to Middle TN in ‘82? I’m sure forty, oldcat, and wildweasel do. For some reason that loss has always haunted me and to this day I still can’t figure out how it happened with this team:
Derrick Hord (6-6 Jr. F) 16.3
Jim Master (6-5 So. G) 13.4
Melvin Turpin (6-10 So. C) 13.1
Dirk Minniefield (6-3 Jr. G) 11.3
Charles Hurt (6-6 Jr. F) 6.6
Just goes to show you badly a good team can play sometimes………
by slidemank on Mar 24, 2009 2:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Some Thought (Not Me)
It was an easy way to avoid playing Louisville. The Cards would have been the next game in 1982 NCAA.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 24, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LTSU
I lived in Kansas at the time and about a dozen or so of the people I was managing were KU alums. After that loss I had to endure the “Little Tennessee State” taunts for years. Still do as a matter of fact. The most recent being Selection Sunday when I received an email from a now-CBS executive stating to the effect: Well now you won’t lose to a “Little Tennessee State”. All in fun of course. Similar comments when FB team escaped a MTSU loss.
by Wild Weasel on Mar 24, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha ha ha..........
Hadn’t thought about that……….funny 40!
by slidemank on Mar 24, 2009 3:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think
they probably were looking forward to UofL and should have been playing one at a time.
by oldcat70 on Mar 24, 2009 3:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How Bad Was (Is) It?
I live outside the U.S. with questionable satellite TV service and the need to share the TV with my wife thus required to go to some trouble to watch UK, usually on SlingBox from a choice of U.S. locations. Nevertheless I’ve missed few telecasts of UK sports and don’t recall actually completely shutting down computer and leaving game completely. Did last evening with about 10 minutes remaining, it was just too painful to endure such mediocrity in execution another second. Tru is absolutely correct, my feeling of despair and torment was a result of the continual abrading commentary concerning UK BB, its future and its recent underachieving, but that doesn’t absolve me of the guilt of capitulation. So this morning I forced myself to view the latter parts of the game that I chose not to view — much less painful, of course, knowing the outcome. Did it alter my perception? Not as much as I had hoped. No doubt the Cats played hard and with resolve but that’s been the case for most of the season. But did they play smarter? With more confidence? With more precision and understanding of, as Coach so often states time, score and momentum? My perception is yes to all those but, alas, not nearly as much as should be expected at this time of the season. Tru pointed out some shortcomings so some of my observations will be redundant. Rebounding : 34-37 but more critical 10-17 offensive resulting in 19 second chance points for Bluejays, considering UK’s size advantage that is just ridiculous, unacceptable and apparently uncorrectable; Defensive lapses : while Cats defend hard and effectively for periods they still have breakdowns inexplicable after 35 games, and most notably versus the 3, Jays were 8/19 an unacceptable 42.1% especially when it was well known it was their strength, perhaps most disturbing — I’m glad I didn’t have to suffer the suspense — was Woodfox’s last shot, everyone listening, watching, in the stands knew who would take the last shot and yet he was undefended, that it missed was fate and UK had no impact; Offensive execution: that Cats were for the most part able to execute out of timeouts is a major accomplishment and improvement, however rules don’t permit a time out during each possession, the inability to free players for shot attempts within the context of the offense shows little amelioration over the season. Summarizing my feelings, considering that Creighton, as have nearly all UK’s recent opponents, decided to make players other than Meeks and Patterson beat them, I conclude that the other Cats played to their limited abilities — perhaps slightly better — and it was enough to win over a good mid-major on their home floor; about as much as one can hope for considering the circumstances. Sufficient to win over a major conference team on their home floor? Skeptical. Sufficient that I’ll watch the entire game? Good intentions but no promises.
by Wild Weasel on Mar 24, 2009 3:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
WW it's got
so that a win makes us look away. I feel just the same. I would like to see us run some plays to free up(anyone). We pass around the outside in hope someone will get open. As far as guarding the three. ??
by oldcat70 on Mar 24, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bummer to feel that way about a win
that it missed was fate and UK had no impact
Thats a very fatalistic view, and a bit sad that segments of the BBN can’t be more excited about what I thought was a really fun game to watch.
by Ontherocks on Mar 24, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How can it be a fun game?
The biggest lead we had was the final score. We were out rebounded. They beat us bad on putbacks. We played long periods with both Meeks and Patterson sitting byBCG.
by oldcat70 on Mar 24, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you only enjoy blowouts?
I like a well played close game. I thought we played pretty well. So yeah, I thought it was a fun game. Lighten up and enjoy a big win, and don’t attribute what little success we have to predestination.
by Ontherocks on Mar 24, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't look for a blowout
but ,when you trail a mid major the whole game. Get rebounded by a smaller team. The only thing that saved us last night was the ref. not calling Jodie for a charge.
by oldcat70 on Mar 24, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so...
Either fate or the refs are responsible for us winning? Come on, give some credit to the team for pulling out a tough game.
There could be a hundred reasons that kid missed the final shot, but I’m pretty darn sure the hand of God isn’t one of them. Frankly, He just doesn’t care enough about who wins the NIT. :)
by Ontherocks on Mar 24, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Fickle Finger of Fate
has nothing to do with “The Hand of God” !
by oldcat70 on Mar 24, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has everyone forgotten
That Creighton was favored by 3 points , I think. That was a very hostile environment on the road. The only positive aspect I noticed about the arena was the blue everywhere. Hey maybe when the players looked up into the stands their minds thought a lot of those fans were UK fans :-)
Anyway I am glad they won. This team needed some confidence after the regular season was over. They are playing basketball and enjoying the experience of playing in the post-season.
by kykat51 on Mar 24, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blue Everywhere
Yes and with all the booing, I can see how UK may have thought they were at home.
Only KIDDING. I am just still a bit bitter about the Rupp crowd’s booing. ;)
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 25, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
92-90, UK Over IU (1975)
94-88. UK over Duke (1978)
Even the Greatest Team In The History Of Basketball (1996) won both its FF games by Single Digits.
I enjoy EVERY W and don’t enjoy ANY L.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 24, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You expect too much
Yes, this game was by no means a virtuoso performance, but this team, as currently constructed, appears incapable of delivering such. What this team CAN do is win games on heart, hustle, and (maybe) a little bit of luck. When the first two are missing (see: Carolina, South), the third does not matter. But as noted during the game telecast, with a little bit of luck in a few games (UL, LSU, USC at home), this team is in the NCAA tournament and we’re not having this conversation. So, basically, lighten up – it was a win.
To quote a noted philosopher (Janet Jackson): Free your mind, and the rest will follow.
C! A! T! S! CATS! CATS! CATS!
by NYCCats on Mar 24, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Free your mind and the rest will follow
I believe that’s EnVogue.
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 25, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, you're right
My bad – it all blends together in my mind.
C! A! T! S! CATS! CATS! CATS!
by NYCCats on Mar 25, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Be color blind, don't be so shallow."
Can’t believe I remember that.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on Mar 25, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank you lord....!
I’m so glad I didn’t know that…!
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Mar 25, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"other Cats played to their limited abilities"
At least that limit is going upward. This has been a very encouraging sign toward the end of the season with Porter, Miller, et al bringing their game up a notch or two.
by hoboat33 on Mar 24, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weasel
I say this with all due respect, for your posts are very good: please use paragraphs and insert more spacing. I would like to read everything, but it makes my head hurt.
Thanks! (-:
by BBallSophist on Mar 24, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since we were 5-0
in the conference,every team has guarded Jodie when He stepped off the bus. Yes it was fate that the man missed his 3. No one was guarding him!
by oldcat70 on Mar 24, 2009 3:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We were due
It was luck that Sosa’s bomb went it at Louisville (i.e., that was definitely a below 50% shot). The basketball gods owe us.
C! A! T! S! CATS! CATS! CATS!
by NYCCats on Mar 24, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If that's the way it works
By the look of all the last second shots they replayed last night we will win it all.
by oldcat70 on Mar 24, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's how it works in my world :)
C! A! T! S! CATS! CATS! CATS!
by NYCCats on Mar 24, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Next Year!!
i kno its a little early, but if meeks/ppat stay this year how sick is this team going to be next year. i hope ppat manhandles harangody and his pathetic excuse for a jumpshot
by hummer11092 on Mar 24, 2009 4:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
After last night's
perfornance where else could they go?
by oldcat70 on Mar 24, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seth Curry to transfer from Liberty
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/11543311
I saw Seth play in person earlier in the year when Liberty played Clemson. He’s a great shooter and does a number of other things well too. I drool at the idea of him transferring to UK, he’d be a perfect candidate to step in for Meeks after next season.
I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra
by JLeverenz on Mar 24, 2009 6:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
FYI
Great game going on between Auburn-Baylor…
final :08.5
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Mar 24, 2009 9:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
oh man......
Auburn misses 2 free throws that would have given them the lead…. lol wow
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Mar 24, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and had a shot from the outside after Baylor misses a free throw. Tough loss, but they had their chance.
Florida goes down to Penn State, Ky the only SEC team still playing basketball this year.
by hoboat33 on Mar 24, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and isn't that what we all wanted? ;-)
GO BIG BLUE!! GO BIG BLUE!!
by UKWildCatFanatic on Mar 25, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHO IS IT HOBO?
OH YEAH………….C…A….T…..S!!! LETS GO BLUE!
I don't care who is coach as long as Kentucky is Kentucky!
by tenken on Mar 25, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baylor going to get hit by NCAA this summer
many violations……
by bluecrip on Mar 25, 2009 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Details?
A poster on another site said UCONN is about to get hit. Truth?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on Mar 25, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here we go.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=4014188
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on Mar 25, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For what
non-starters playing for the women’s team? j/k
by hoboat33 on Mar 25, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ESPN radio was reporting
Improper contact with a recruit. (Same thing that got Indiana.)
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Mar 25, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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