Should Coach Gillispie change to please us?
I want to start out by saying that I like Coach Gillispe. I like him a lot. As I have said before, I liked him before he came to UK and I will like him after he is gone - whenever that may be.
But, just because I am a BCG advocate doesn't mean I am blind to some of the rather unflattering things about his public persona and I have been thinking a lot about the suggestions that we all have (me included) for Coach Gillispie regarding how he handles himself with the media and the way he treats the fans and I asked myself the above question and will admit I am sort of torn about it.
On one hand I say "yes", he certainly must do something and make a change in order to calm the riled up and sometimes drama-starved BBN who are just looking for reasons to scrutinize and pick him apart, and part of me thinks that he must at least try to conform to the media relations aspects of his job as everyone has to compromise a little when they work for an employer and only if you work for yourself can you make all the rules and do as you please. Coach Gillispie does not work for himself, but as evidenced by his attitude at times, I think he either thinks he does or he wishes that his employer would learn to conform to him and his behavior. Well, I don't think that's a real possibility and sometimes I think, my goodness, why can't the man just play the PR game, if even a little bit? He doesn't have to change entirely, just play nice-nice with the media on occasion, prepare a boring blanket statement for the common questions and then move on. Wouldn't giving the media and the BBN as a whole what they want once in a while earn him a little leeway and then he could go about his business and focus on his true passion which is the game of basketball? Would it kill him to pacify the media and fans once in a while?
But, there is also a part of me that thinks, you know, it is rather silly that he should have to play the PR game and why should the man change who he is to please others? One of the reasons I like and appreciate Coach Gillispie is because he appears to be pretty genuine and doesn't have a blanket statement prepared for everything and although I admit I often cringe and hold my breath when he is interviewed as you never know what might fly out of his mouth or what his mood is like at that particular moment, I don't necessarily want a coach who is 100% politician and insults the intelligence of the fan base with a public appearance that isn't honest and true, but rather is dishonest and forced just to appease us.
So, in the end, I guess I really don't have a definitive answer to the above question of "should BCG change to please us?". I do however, think it would be a darn shame if Coach Gillispie didn't get the chance (whether that be this year, or in the future) to show us just how good of a coach and recruiter he could be because of something as silly as being rude in public, etc. -- because from my point of view his public savvy or rather lack of, really serves no purpose and I don't really see a good reason for it.
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Good question
I think it would serve him well to try harder at the PR game. It doesn’t have to be for the fan but for himself. I don’t think any coach wants a reputation as surly and difficult outside of the gym. Once a coach or athlete gets a certain reputation that is percieved as negative, it is very hard to change that perception whether it is warranted or not.
Slower Traffic Keep Right!
Billy will not change...very much
Kentucky had to know this going in, or had some sort of delusional “we can change him” attitude. I love the guy, and I really believe if we have more wins, this becomes moot.
He will be better with the press, the boosters and others in a position to change his, but ultimately, this guy is not into being somebody’s puppet. We should reevaluate our own feelings about Gillispie when he starts making Kentucky into a national powerhouse again. Well, that’s if we give him enough time.
Not for now...
We of the BBN care about wins. If and when BG starts producing acceptable results we’ll be much easier to please. If one compares him to Rupp, who made many enemies in his years at UK through his perceived arrogance, then one can see that BG is really not that bad. And Rupp was loved because he could back up his arrogance.
So, maybe it is we who should, in the short term, change for BG. I have no problem with his arrogance (except as it regards any disrespect for UK history and tradition, that is a different matter) as long as he backs it up. If he fails to back it up, out he goes.
We're all just a banana peel away from eternity.
He doesn't owe us a dam thing except
100% effort, a couple appearances at the booster functions to make nice and not getting the university into any kind of NCAA trouble.
He isn’t a butthead as evidenced by the stuff he has done for people in the past. He is brusque but is that a sin? The PR game is just that….a game. I think coach should worry about the basketball game and not the PR game. On another thread someone posted that wins would take care of everything. Look what it did for Knight. I don’t want another Knight at UK but I don’t want my coach changing who he is just to appease others. Here’s and idea for coach….one word answers. LImits what questions will be asked and/or answered.
BG will not change
so as fans we either embrace his will to stick to his guns,or fault him for not being flexible.I thought he would definately come back next year,but personally not as sure as I once was.
BCG
Perhaps if BCG didn’t open the paper and see all the criticism each and every day and the constant call to fire him from the press, he might feel a little nicer toward them …Perino, Cutler ahd the HL really try to fuel the insecurities of our fans….It is just poor journalism..We deserve more professional journalism in Lex.
Cutler, Cutler ??
Ah yes—-If I had a $100 bill for every nickel he can stuff into that beak of his I’d be very, very wealthy.
Anyone know why he even has a job in Lexington?
from John Clays blog, LIVE press conference
Billy Said all he does is work, when asked if Monday is his last game.
That doesn’t sound good…
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
I dont get it.
Why does this sound bad?
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 22, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
1st, I didn't say it was "bad"...
…One would think that the sitting coach would answer that question with,
“Why would Monday be my last game?” or
“I hope not, I hope we win and keep playing”, or
“No, I plan on being the coach for many years”
“why, what have you heard?”…
Don’t you..?
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
"All I do is work"
Sounds like a valid brush off in the vein of what you are suggesting to me.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
No I dont.
I think what he said was fine. All he does is work – he doesnt have time to get bogged down with all this crap. Thats kinda how I took it. Billy is tough. He knows what’s up, but he is just going to keep on working – nose to the grindstone. Part of what makes him a good man and a good coach.
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 23, 2009 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Honesty and Hard work
What is so wrong about honesty and hard work? I thought that is what we strive for in life from all sides. I would much rather have a coach that speaks the truth (even though it may not be what we want to hear) than have one that says anything he thinks will please us or the media. I do believe he is one of the most honest and hard working individuals anywhere in the coaching profession. I truly believe that it will pay off for him and I sure hope he is at UK when it happens.
You can be honest without being rude
And I think that’s where many people see the problem right now.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
Two Rules For Gillispie
My advice for Coach Gillispie is to abide by these two bits of advice:
From Daniel Boorstin:
"Some are born great, some achieve greatness, and some hire public relations officers."
And from Vincent Van Gogh (bet you thought it was the other Vincent — Lombardi):
"Winning isn’t everything…it’s the only thing."
All Gillispie has to do is win. Win enough games and he can tell Clay, Cutler, Bozich, Vaught,, et al, to take the job and shove it. And they’ll respond by asking: How far?
Winning ALONE Is Not Enough
His predecessor averaged 26 W but it was not enough.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 22, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
It WHEN You W That Counts
The most important game for many UK fans is the NCAA Regional Finals.
Pitino won 3 of 6. Sutton 0 of 1. Hall 3 of 7. Tubby 1 of 4.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 22, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I see a lot of people opining that Gillispie won't change ...
… but I think that is both unfair and inaccurate.
Every person in a position like the Coach occupies must learn and change every day. He has seen that his prickly public persona does not work well for him or the school in this position, and even though a good season would have made his comments far less of an issue, I think he owes it both to himself and his employer to examine his behavior in light of the best interests to the school as well as his own id and ego.
A minor compromise would surely be welcome — a little less bluntness in interviews and a little more coachspeak. Granted, we all know that’s not who he is, exactly, but then again, what I write on here is not exactly who I am, either. As the song says, “I’m so much cooler on line.” We all wear our masks, and I think we have seen Gillispie unmasked last year at Dance Blue and at other times, and when we do, he comes off as the kind of genuinely caring person that more of us probably wish we could emulate, rather than the boorish bumpkin some, particularly in the media, have decided to pigeonhole him as.
I think we can reasonably expect for Coach Gillispie to work with us in creating an image for UK basketball that at least doesn’t include rude or unpleasant behavior to the media when they are genuinely being non-controversial. Even though Jeannine Edwards’ questions to him were naive and slightly offensive to a person who lives and dies a team game, they certainly didn’t offend the majority of basketball fans. Coach should know by now he could have handled that better, and I expect to see him avoid such faux pas in the future more often than not.
Change is part of the human condition, and stubbornness, “lack of balance,” or an obsession with basketball is no excuse for a failure to try to become a better person and a better coach. If Gillispie refuses to acknowledge the realities of his job, even the ones he doesn’t like, he will not survive. If he refuses to change for the better, he will not survive. I expect that he will do both, and do just fine.
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Don't sell yourself short Tru
You’re the next best thing to a rockstar in real life!
Go ahead and admit it!
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
The only thing I want Gillispe to change . . .
is his address. And it appears it may be soon. Weeks ago when I suggested the big dollar boosters would utlimately be Billy’s undoing at UK, I was scoffed at (by Tru and Howlett). Well, when the axe falls after our next loss, will you print a retraction?
Retraction for what?
If and when he leaves it will have nothing to do with boosters. UK isn’t Auburn or Oklahoma St. — One day you’ll realize that.
You are passing rumors.
You do not know what Barnhart is going to do. If you are wrong, will you abase yourself publicly for being a rumor-monger?
I thought not.
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I'm with you Bravo.
Wow, it’s great to hear from somebody who disagrees with Tru on this site. I said Gillispie is gone too and got the who rumor monger tag. I tell you what: When Gillispie is fired, You retract that because it isn’t officially stated by Mitch Barnhart doesn’t mean it isn’t ture. And if Gillispie isn’t fired, I’ll say I’m a rumor monger. Two side questions:
1. Who cares about being a rumor monger on a blog? Why is that bad?
2. What is different about saying Gillispie is going to get fired and the rumor post earlier about Orton’s dad not getting a return call?
No Rumors Here
Plenty of other places you can rumorize as much as you want.
Orton’s Dad was quoted in the media that he has not heard back from Barnhart. Not a rumor.
If you can produce a quote to a name, then your speculation won’t be a rumor
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 23, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I Don't Think HE Should Change
I think HIS RESULTS must change.
His results are <<< UK standards.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 22, 2009 5:45 PM EDT reply actions
Wish tomorrow's game would hurry up and get here
All this talk is depressing, distressing and distracting. Since we don’t know and won’t know, I want to focus on a game. FWIW
Very naive
Of you to think that big $ supporters don’t matter. It’s always ultimately about money. They’ve had their say with the Board of Trustees and the Board has had its say with Todd and Todd has had his say with Mitch. That’s how it works, always has and always will. But of course you know people on the UK Athletics Board, right? They’re not making this call. You’ll see.
Heh.
No doubt, we will see. But the board of Trustees is not going to instruct Todd to instruct Barnhart to fire Gillispie. If that were so, you could simply eliminate both Barnhart’s and Todd’s position.
You have no idea what is going to happen and neither do I. What is naive is that you apparently think you do without having spoken to the principles.
Very funny.
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Tru
I am going to send you an e-mail concerning some things I heard over the weekend which really distressed me about a certain booster here where I live.
Boosters don't hire or fire, at least not at UK.
I didn’t say “big $ boosters don’t matter” — You wrote that. What I’m saying is that Barnhart and/or Todd are not held hostage by boosters, as is the case at some Universities. If boosters mattered as it pertains to personnel decisions, Tubby Smith wouldn’t have lasted 24 hours as UK head coach.
You’re right about the UK Athletics Board — They don’t fire athletic department employees.
He Would Never Have Been Hired (Much Less Last 24 Hours)
Boosters were kicked out of the UK program in 1989 after a legacy of 4 decades of NCAA violations.
Thank goodness for that courageous act by CM Newton (et al) 20 years ago.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 22, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Amen, brother.
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by Glenn Logan on Mar 22, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know Billy Gillispie; I've never been in his presence.
I have seen his answers to Edwards, and I’ve read some of the other instances of “short” behavior with others. I interpret these cases as more irritation than arrogance. Some can compartmentalize their frustration, some can partially do so, and some can’t do so at all, if the irritation is intense enough. Case in point of the latter is Bobby Knight’s well-reported outbursts.
As far as Coach Rupp was concerned, he certainly was confident in his own abilities and in his place in basketball history. Call it arrogance if you will. It may have been. The difference is that I cannot recall him ever being short with media interviewers. I’d be interested to hear if Forty, or Wild Weasel, or oldcat’70, or kykat51, being among our senior members, can recall such instances. I specifically remember hearing him discuss games with both Cawood and Claude Sullivan, and while his frustration was evident, he always was able to control his emotions to the point that he could produce meaningful “coachspeak” that laid out the problem and what needed to be done about it.
I also never heard him disparage the overall fan base. He might get short with a particular fan if that person intruded into what Coach Rupp saw as his responsibility, but he was generally careful to point out how much the support of the fans meant to him and the team.
I will again propose to my fellow fans that total coaching is a combination of several areas: recruiting, strategic planning (your "system"), tactical planning (a game plan for a particular opponent), in-game decisions (so-called “floor coaching”), representing the program to media, and dealing with the fan base. Like it or not, a coach has to operate in all these areas. He or she doesn’t have to excel in all of them, but there are responsibilities in each of these arenas. My assessment of Coach Gillispie doesn’t mean squat all, but I think he has done pretty well in some of these sub-categories and not so well in others.
As Tru pointed out above, change is part of the human condition. Which of us are the exactly the same as we were five years ago? For that matter, which of us likes every single aspect of our jobs? But we deal with the more unpleasant parts for the sake of those parts we like. I would hope that Coach Gillispie grows as he matures in the job.
I don’t have any sources, and I don’t know much about how the Athletic Department operates, but I do know this: it is totally counter-productive for the overall good of the program to engage in mindless and groundless speculation when we, as individuals, don’t have a damned thing to do with whether Coach Gillispie goes or stays. “Far Billy” now probably comes from the same fringe element that wouldn’t fully accept Coach Smith because he was black, or Coach Pitino because he was a Yankee. People should get a grip and let the process work. Sheesh!!!!!!
Tru, this may violate the prohibition on venting. If so, I’m sorry, but it really is tiresome to constantly read all the rumors. Sorry.
No moral victories--it's all about Ws and Ls!!!
Sorry, should have included teaching in the list of responsibilities.
No moral victories--it's all about Ws and Ls!!!
I Don't Believe Coach Rupp And Coach Gillispie Have Much In Common At All
Adolph Rupp was a basketball genius, among the Top 2 or 3 coaches EVER. Billy Gillispie is a good, young coaching prospect.
Arrogant? Sure. I remember a story when he was coach a college all-star team in the 1960’s. His team trailed (badly) at halftime. He came barging into the locker room and said (something like) Boys, You’ve Got The Best Damn Coach In The Country. It Ain’t My Fault That We’re Down 20 Points At Half. You’ve Got To Play Better The Second Half To Win.
Rupp was respectful of UK traditions, its fans, and people like Cawood and Claude Sullivan.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 22, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Rupp invented most of UK's traditions, didn't he? :-)
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by Glenn Logan on Mar 22, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Most Of Them
But he WAS respectful of them after he created them.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 22, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope.
If this is what you call “venting,” I wish I had 10000 ventors just like you.
Around here, what you have done is known by another name … “reasoning.”
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by Glenn Logan on Mar 22, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Rupp-Gillispie Commonality
Oldcat’69, to tell you the truth I don’t remember der Baron’s comments to Claude Sullivan or Cawood Ledford being all that sharp, condescending, disrespectful, abrupt or whatever. In fact I recall Paul Bryant being more so in his post game comments and on his Sunday TV show. Rupp was a lot more abrasive in his one on one give and take than with the media. Of course those were quite different and far simpler times in the world of media relations: media representatives were much more respectful, perhaps to the point of sycophancy; and Rupp and Bryant were already established as virtual icons whereas Gillispie is a literal neophyte at UK.
If I were to state a commonality of Rupp and Gillispie it would be this: neither suffer fool’s gladly. Both have confidence in their knowledge of the game and consider those such as Jeanine Edwards, et al, as interlopers who have no business questioning that knowledge. Here is a workable explanation of the term:
Suffer-fools-gladly, a malleable euphemism, carries a rich load of ambiguity. Everyone who uses it means something different, and readers take from it whatever they choose. If it’s said often enough about the same person, we may guess it’s an oblique attack. It suggests that the subject is brusque to the point of rudeness, uncaring about the feelings of others, given to rages when crossed. Often it’s an attempt to avoid risking offence while describing someone totally disagreeable.
It is interesting to note that the term originated with St. Paul in his second letter to the Corinthians: For ye suffer fools gladly, seeing ye yourselves are wise.
Nice. Very nice.
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by Glenn Logan on Mar 22, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Do any of us
know how Rupp behaved himself during his second season of coaching at Kentucky?
My Guess Is
The same way he behaved in his 42nd year at UK.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 23, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I am a senior member here and proud.
I only remember what my Dad instilled, that Coach Rupp despite his faults was the greatest, and that was back when I was growing as a teen.
My Dad loved UK basketball and football as he was an athlete in both his grade school and high school years. He attended St. Leo’s in Dade Co., Fl in high school and from there to St. X in Cinci.
But my Mom and Dad were in love and ended their college years, had 7 kids, and I am a product of the UK love for sports.
I'm Cincy St X (HS) Grad, Too
Or did you mean your Dad attended XU?
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 22, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
He attended St. Leo Prep in Fl. back in the times
His HS years and then went to XU for college. Mom went to a nursing school in the same area and I cannot remember where. She actually skipped a grade in either her grade school years or high school at Nazareth Academy in Bardstown, Ky back then.
I guess they both enrolled the fall semester of 1949 and then left to get married in Feb ’50.
You have to remember
That birth control back then was forbidden by the Catholics. That is why I have 6 siblings, and all UK fans, that range in age from 58 to 51 (well he will be 51 in Sept).
Only 6?
Most Catholic families in my neighborhood had 8 or 10 kids.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 22, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
My Mom's doctor did her a favor w/o her consent
The last childbirth, only because he had known her as a child and felt for her.
We had 7 Forty. My family of cousins next door had 9, another 8, and another 6. The entire family had about 35 grands at the finish, and I will not even go into the extended family since then. I would blow your mind!
Back Then ??
We have a daughter in law who is not only a practising Catholic (Bless her heart) but an Irish Catholic to boot.
The little thing is maybe 5 foot 2, maybe less but has, to date, given us seven grand children, the latest last Friday.
That is amazing
In this day and time when many couples choose to have maybe only two. Wow, I bet you are a happy grandparent. Congrats on your newest.
PC mindset partially to blame
Something I haven’t seen written about is how the Politically Correct mindset is now prevalent in today’s media. What once was “brusk” and a sign of strength (at least in males) is now completely offensive and our media saturated populace raises their collective hackles.
IMO, it’s much ado about nothing.
Effing A
The PC crap has got to go!! Watch what you say or you’ll hurt someone’s feelings….insert-American…..WTF? How about…..American? I don’t have any legs am I handicapped? No. Disabled? Hell no!! I am a cripple. Get over it! I am not suggesting that people should be derogatory towards others but let’s use a little common sense and tell these interest groups to STFU if they keep insisting that we “label” others with their “acceptable” terms.
Sorry, this is one of those subjects that I have been railing against for years. Thanks for bringing it up Clandestine. You have a valid point that is put forth more intelligently than I could. I get too emotional. :)
Interesting Tidbit from Boston
Columnist Bob Ryan of The Boston Globe threw a bouquet at Louisville Coach Rick Pitino last week.
Of Louisville, Ryan wrote:
“It’s a team that is surely good enough to win, but if it doesn’t, the Louisville players will have gained a great deal by spending time around Rick Pitino.”
Then Ryan quoted senior guard Andre McGee.
“He teaches us always to be ready before things are ready to go, and just always have a professional attitude with the way you present yourself, the way you dress, the way you handle the media, the way you talk to people,” McGee said. “The way you treat others is everything with him. He is professional from top to bottom, every day.”
My two cents...
If I had to hazard a guess, I would say that Barnhart told Coach Gillispie when he was hired that we just needed a basketball coach – rebuild the product on the court and everything else will fall into place. And if that were the case, I can certainly see where he would act accordingly.
I will admit that coach can be gruff at times, but I have yet to see a credible report that he has been rude to a common fan or big money booster. Quite the contrary, I have heard very credible reports that he never turns down an autograph request, photo or short talk. As a matter of fact, one report just last week came from a teenager staying in Lexington for the Sweet 16. According to the kid, who belongs to a good friend of mine, Coach Gillispie went out of his way to greet a group of kids shooting hoops near Memorial. And the kid brought back pictures to prove it.
I really can’t say what kind of access people had to the program prior to his arrival, but everywhere he has ever coached, he has kept things close to the vest. And despite the rabid hunger for knowledge from fans, it is in the program’s long term best interests to keep as much of that sort of thing out of the public eye as possible.
If he is let go after the season ends, it will be because of cowardice on the part of Barnhart and Todd. And, although it pains me greatly to say this, I hope he would end up at a Georgia or Alabama and come in to Rupp to hand us our asses once a year just to show the elitists that their ire was sorely misplaced.
There Is NO WAY He Will Be Fired And DOUBTFUL He Would Be Let Go
IF he leaves, it will be by his choice. Eddie Sutton is the only UK coach forced out in my lifetime. Rupp was bound by UK (mandatory retirement at 70).
Hall left to fulfill a promise to the late Mrs. Hall about when he would retire (what age, that is).
Pitino left for NBA $$$ Millions. Tubby left for a better opportunity FOR HIM all around.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 24, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I could not agree more
Especially your last paragraph.
I believe in Billy G.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 25, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Those Of Us Who Know Him And have Seen Him In 2008 Or 2009
Are certain that is true. I’ve NEVER seen him (or the Mrs. ESPECIALLY) happier since I’ve known them.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 25, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions

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