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This is one of the most uneasy times I can remember in Kentucky basketball.  As we watch the NCAA tournament that didn't include Kentucky for the first time since probation, and see the SEC out of the tournament by the first weekend, I can't escape the feeling that this has been the most disappointing basketball season in many years.  Of course, Kentucky has not seen the second weekend of the tournament since 2005 -- that is a four-year absence for those of you who are counting.  A long time.  I have a lot of company in this lament, apparently.

LSU lost to the Tarheels yesterday, probably bemoaning a cruel committee decision to give them an 8 seed, arguably the worst seed in the tournament other than the 16.  Western Kentucky took Gonzaga to the wire, and were deprived of an opportunity to put the game into overtime by a poor officiating job at the end of the game.  Everywhere you look, Kentucky connections, whether it be conference mates or local schools are finding themselves watching instead of participating -- except, of course, for Louisville, who looks very good to be around for next weekend.

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I confess, though, the NIT so far has provided some balm for my personal disappointment with the season, although that may well end on Monday as UK faces a tough Creighton team at their place.  Kentucky demonstrated what could have been some growth as a team against UNLV, but whether or not we can repeat that performance on the road is at best an open question.

There have been some comparisons lately between Billy Gillispie and John Pelphrey, the somewhat embattled Arkansas coach.  The two situations are not really directly analogous, but both schools have basketball programs that have currently fallen pretty far from their traditional levels.  Unlike Mitch Barnhart, Arkansas Athletics Director Jeff Long has declined to let Pelphrey twist in the wind any longer, stating that Pelphrey is the basketball coach and ending speculation that Pelphrey might be released after only two seasons.  Good for John, AD Long, and the Razorbacks.  Long seems to have a clear-eyed view of the current state of Arkansas basketball.  I hope the same can be said of Mitch Barnhart, but I confess, I have my doubts.

Jerry Tipton recycles the pro/con arguments today in the Herald-Leader.  There is nothing really new that hasn't been discussed at length here on A Sea of Blue, so I'm not really going to address them except for one -- the argument that several transfers from the program since Gillispie took the reigns would empower rival recruiters.  I suppose it's possible, but I am pretty sure that some success would do wonders for that problem, if it even exists, just like the rest of them.  In the end, when you look at all the cons, virtually all of them would vanish like the ephemeral gripes they are with a couple of good, quality seasons and some decent NCAA tournament performances.

Everybody but me has reported on the so-called "high level meeting" that allegedly took place yesterday.  Some say Gillispie was there.  Some say not.  I say, "Who the hell cares?"  Of course there are going to be such meetings under the circumstances.  That, in and of itself, means absolutely nothing, and contrary to what you are reading, it does not mean some kind of announcement is imminent.  One could come at any time, of course, but news of "meetings," especially ones in which nobody apparently knows who all the participants were, is not really news.

What is alarming to me (and not because of what it may or may not mean for Gillispie) is Mitch Barnhart's office apparently failing to return a phone call from Daniel Orton's father.  If true, I find that alarmingly insensitive.  These are families who are directly affected by any decision that Barnhart makes, and I think the least he could do is the courtesy of a return call, even if he can't tell them anything meaningful.

Jon Hood's father has an interesting take on this whole subject:

"a couple of statements by a couple of people could end all of this, if there going to bring him back a simple statement would end all of this speculation.....recruiting days, if you know anything about recruiting, recruiting days are more precious than gold, you get a limited number, them being allowed to recruit right now to me says something, if they were going to fire somebody, why would they be letting them use up the new staffs recruiting days.....cause i know what we are going to do, we are going to take a step back, re-assess and re-evaluate cause even though u sign with a school ur still intrusting your child" [sic]

The fact that Gillispie and his staff are still out recruiting has been at the root of the arguments I have heard that indicate he will be back next year, and that does make some sense.  But the fact that Barnhart has apparently given his staff no real direction on this (which is mostly responsible for the wild diversity of rumors) indicates he and Todd are playing this very, very close to the vest.  Too close and too long, some might say.

Larry Vaught interviewed former UK player Derrick Hord (who was from my home town of Bristol, Tennessee, before I moved to Kentucky), and Derrick points to point guard play as well as "consistency, confidence and leadership" as the elements that have been lacking in this year's team, and says he thinks the team has "regressed."  I think he is pretty much right on all counts, and his comments bring the count of former UK players weighing in on the state of Kentucky basketball to the highest I can ever remember, for good or ill.  Maybe we started a trend here at A Sea of Blue with Ken's interview of Mike Casey.

After all is said and done, there is no way that these are the kinds of conversations Kentucky fans wanted to be having at this point in the season, but it seems like after only one year of respite, we are right back where we were two years ago.  Despite the hopes of the Big Blue Nation in 2007, the Long Night for Kentucky basketball has not yet ended, and another coaching change could extend the darkness for years.  It seems pretty clear to me that Daniel Orton, at least, would be unlikely to remain at UK if there is a coaching change, although I believe our chances are better of retaining Jon Hood and GJ Vilarino.  2010 recruits are also highly doubtful, in my opinion, but who really knows?  Not I.

I do know this -- I am way past ready for all this speculation to end for this year.

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Tru, I Have Derrick's Contact 411 At Work

I’ll put you two together as ex-Bristol(ites).

Trivia for ASOB readers. The TN / VA state line runs right through Bristol. There is Bristol Tn on one side and Bristol VA on the other.

Not many towns claims two different states.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 22, 2009 10:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Indeed.

The main drag is called “State street,” the left side is Tennessee, and the right side of the street is Virginia.

Derrick went to Tennessee High, where I would have wound up if I had stayed two more years in Bristol. I still have family in the area, in Abingdon, Virginia.

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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 22, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's interesting Tru.

I am from Lee County Virginina, just about an hour west of there. Didn’t realize I had a fellow SW Virginian writing these posts. lol

by UKfan79 on Mar 22, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tru

We have the same thing in Western Kentucky. We have Fulton,Ky, and South Fulton,Tenn. They too are separated by state street.

by oldcat70 on Mar 22, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The best part of Bristol

Is the race track. THough it does look a little out of place there, such a huge stadium in the midst of a small town.

by daniel81 on Mar 22, 2009 11:13 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I have been to exactly one race there.

The Southeastern 500 in about 1980. It was very cool, but I am not much of a NASCAR fan, even growing up in one of the biggest NASCAR cities north of Taladega.

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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 22, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Today's race, good...

The “late summer/early fall” race at night, GREAT..!

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Mar 22, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

last line
I do know this — I am way past ready for all this speculation to end for this year.

Same here friend, same here..

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Mar 22, 2009 11:16 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Of all this information, the most troubling is...

…Gillispie not returning Orton’s father’s phone call. To me, that is the strongest indication on what is about to be announced.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Mar 22, 2009 11:34 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You mean,

Barnhart not returning Larry Orton’s phone call, right? It is Barnhart that supposedly has not returned the call, NOT Coach Gillispie.

Just wanted to be clear on that, though I have no doubt you will find something else to be troubled about. : )

by BigSkyCat on Mar 22, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well I don't think it would take much effort.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Mar 22, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mitch Barnhart...

…not returning Orton’s fathers phone call is interesting…
What does it mean..?
1 He’s far too busy to return calls at this point, with the NIT and Billy crisis ongoing.
2 He has truly NOT decided if Billy will return, therefore there is nothing to tell Orton’s father.
3 He has made he choice and knows that telling a recruits father will leak to the media, and that would be damaging to the team in their quest for an NIT title…
hell, who knows…?

But the inquisitive mind makes one squirm…. lol

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Mar 22, 2009 11:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I just re-read and noticed it was a call to Barnhart's office.

I think that is a little less concerning, but not much.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Mar 22, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chess match?

I think we are at a point that the real reason that we have not heard anything definitive from either parties is that they are playing one another.

Billy wants to be Billy. The hard-nosed, no-nonsense ball coach that can focus his entire exitence on basketball and the world be damned.

Mitch, on the other hand, realizes that his own job is on the line if Billy can’t come around to not only grasp the importance of a Kentucky coach with charm and charisma, but to embrace it.

Unless Billy is found slashing Mitch’s tires, he is going to come back next season. Mitch is just playing the press, blogs and fans that can put direct pressure on Billy changing his persona WITHOUT having to fire him. This way, the University saves face by not being so unrealistic to let a coach go in just two seasons, and it gives them leverage for next season to be totally different. If Billy continues to be a jag-off to the press and doesn’t continue to make this position his own, then there will be changes.

In the other corner, Billy knows the fundamental truth that this all boils down to one thing… WINS. If he gets Kentucky back on track quickly and completely turns them around next season (which he has done with 2 other D1 programs before) he doesn’t have to really change himself that much. Sure, he has to be a little more friendly to Miss Edwards at halftime, but if the Cats are rolling, then honestly, who cares? We will all just laugh it off as it’s just “Billy being BIlly.”

We will all see the chess pieces fall at the end of this season. Interesting, if nothing else.

by kyeric on Mar 22, 2009 1:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good Points EXCEPT

It’s easier to “turn around” UTEP and TAMU because of lower expectations.

At Kentucky, it’s a different story. To “turn around” UK, he must do this:

1. Win NCAA title every 10 years.
2. 2 Final 4 every 10 years.
3. 5 Elite 8 every 10 years.
4. 6 Sweet 16 every 10 years.
5. 5 SEC titles every 10 years.
6. 5 SECT championships every 10 years.
7. 5 seasons with 25+ W every 10 years.
8. 2 seasons with 30+ W every 10 years.

The only ones of those 8 he has ever done are #4 (1 Sweet 16 in 7 years) and #5 (1 conference title in 7 years) plus #7 (1 season with 25+ W in 7 years). The rest, he hasn’t done AT ALL yet.

UK is a Much Tougher Row To Hoe than UTEP or TAMU.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 22, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What happens?

What happens if Coach does all the public relations events, press conferences, and general shmoozing that supposedly the job requires and still has a 20 win season next year?

I guess people will still complain because he isn’t winning enough games.

 Perhaps the fan and media perspective will prevent any coach from ever being successful every year at Kenucky because they want the National Championship and be best friends with the coach.

Coach Gillispie is still the person that a lot of people fell in love with when he was hired. Like a lot of relationships, you have to fall back in love with the person when things are not all roses and sunshine. Go to youtube and watch the All-Access TV shows from this earlier this season. Rewatch the Road to Kentucky show from last year. Feel the love.

 From an educational perspective, he is laying the foundation for long-term successful/intelligent play by the players. It takes time 3 years for a new philosophy to see true success. Generally, the 1st year has the same results as the past. The 2nd year exhibits a decrease in results. The 3rd year should see an increase in results.

by Jana98 on Mar 22, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, 20 W Is N-O-T Enough At UK

Not even close. His 2 predecessors averaged 27 W and 26 W per season.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 22, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good take.

But I don’t want UK fans justifying rude and bullying like IU fans did with Knight. UK is better than that.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Mar 22, 2009 1:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

But, everyone knows just how different college basketball is today than it was even 5 years ago. With the advent of the Internet and connectivity that we now take for granted, coaches have MUCH less time to not only turn a team around, but try to keep a team on a high level.

At Kentucky, this just seems unrealistic. With the parity in college basketball, the exposure that kids now get at even less than stellar mid-major schools, we are at a time that NBA dollars are much more important than what school you want to represent for, hopefully, two seasons.

Sorry, Forty. I love the Cats, but those stats just can’t happen anymore. The real problem is trying to convince a fan base that no coach, no matter how amazing he is at the time, could continue to produce results like that all the time. And, that is why we placate ourselves with the coaching carousel.

by kyeric on Mar 22, 2009 2:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Those Things CAN Be Done

Pitino met them (except for SEC titles). Tubby (more or less) met them. Billy G must meet them, too.

Not every year but over time, Gillispie must meet those standards or UK will get someone else who will.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 22, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

More or less?

For a man of definitives and quantifications, I’m shocked.

by hoboat33 on Mar 22, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, More Or Less

He fell 1 short on FF and E8 standards.

Pitino fell short on SEC titles.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 22, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ahem Kyeric!

Print your response out and mail to the media. They are feeding the frenzy faster than a forest fire. It’s scary how quickly the irrational fans have turned on the coach.

It doesn’t matter what the players say about Coach…they think they know more than the only people close to the situation.

by Jana98 on Mar 22, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It sells ads which they so DESPERATELY in need of

Get people worked up and keep em coming back to “find out the latest” (BullCACA)

The media is the biggest problem with the state of the UK nation right now. They know that there are legions of UK fans out there and that most UK fans have pretty thin skin (no respect I tell ya) so anytime they can print/speak something about UK it gets attention. Right now, due to the change in coaching, things are at a low and all that is heard is negative. If we (UK fans) were wise to the ways of the world we would ignore the media and concern ourselves with actual games and our own lives. :)

by bluecrip on Mar 22, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

From back porch gossip to bloggin'

BINGO, blue.

Newspapers are shutting down all across the country. Not because people don’t want the news anymore it is how the want to get their news.

More and more people have access to let their voices heard (actually refreshing, in my opinion) as opposed to being relegated on the sidelines, or back porches as it was not too long ago. Now, we have opinions that can sway other leaders decisions. The power of the people has taken on a different meaning.

The problem with all of this is that there really is no filter. The bad fans come right through the same door as the true blue fans. Most of the time, they are the louder ones. Negativity ALWAYS sells more. The media knows this and it just spurs more hack reporters trying to stir up some type of dirt to get hits on a website or to be the first to say “I told you so!”

No patience anymore. People want instantaneous, but LASTING results. Hey, I mean, UK can pay to get good athletes here. And, hey, we can WIN BIG. But, if we are breaking the rules, ruining kids lives just to hang a banner, then the entire process has been skewed. In that regard, I might start considering myself less of a fan. Maybe because as I get older, there are much more important things than some young men throwing a ball through a hoop, but when it really starts to become more work to be a fan than just enjoying the boys in blue, then it might be over for me.

The one thing I really do appreciate is the perspective and reason that this blog in particular has brought about. I think that there are some very intelligent and caring fans on here that do want to win, but in the right way. Here’s to the creators and contributors to A Sea of Blue… thank you for keeping a Kentucky fan informed, entertained and on the sunny side of the street.

by kyeric on Mar 22, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just got off the phone with Mitch

he said Billy is coming back but Mitch is leaving. He is taking a sabbatical in Tristan da Cunha where he hopes to get rid of the big headache he’s had since the turn of the century party in Boise he attended. That’s what all the secrecy is about. He said that I could let us ASoBers know what’s going on since we are such high minded and civil people. :) He hopes to return to AD’ing UK in two years.

Creighton strokes it from 3 like RJ and come out on top by 12 points. sorry… damn fuzzy crystal ball won’t shut up!

by bluecrip on Mar 22, 2009 2:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hord On Regression

If there’s one thing with which Derrick Hord should be familiar it is regression:

Junior: 30 games – 1,092 minutes – 490 points – 161 rebounds
Senior: 31 games – 738 minutes – 277 points – 96 rebounds

by Wild Weasel on Mar 22, 2009 3:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Blame Joe Hall For That

Hord played “3” as junior, but “2” as senior.

Hall wasted his talent even more so than he wasted Minniefield.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 22, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Western and the officials...

I’m not trying to be argumentative, but I just want to point out that whining about Ken McDonald not getting a time out after Gonzaga scored in the final second of the game with Western Saturday night is just that—whining. I understand that McDonald wanted to call a timeout and the officials either didn’t see him or didn’t acknowledge him, and that is a failure on the part of the officials. But that being said, I think calling a timeout to set up a Laettner play with 0.8 seconds left was unlikely to affect the outcome (even the original required 2.2 seconds and two future NBA players to pull off), and, even so, Western could have kept themselves from being in that situation if they hadn’t been absolutely abysmal from the free throw line all night or if they had played a little defense on the final play. Twice, Gonzaga committed the cardinal sin of fouling 3-point shooters, but Western managed to make only 1 of the 6 free throws. Letting a guy run from one end of the court all the way to the rim and then take a basically uncontested shot in the final 7 seconds of a tied game is just inexcusable. As a grad of UK and Western, I was watching and rooting for the Hilltoppers, and I felt bad that McDonald didn’t get his timeout, but that wasn’t the reason they lost.

by KYvampyre on Mar 23, 2009 10:54 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You're missing the point

He wanted a timeout with 7 seconds to go and was denied it.

His players inbounded the ball too soon with the .9 possession and he wasn’t given that timeout either.

Had he been given the timeout (and IIRC one of the players on the court was signaling for it too) after Pettigrew scored on the putback to tie the game, I guarantee the ensuing possession by Gonzaga would have been contested.

I agree that it is basically pointless with .9 to play and a full court to work with, however the refs have a responsibility to be watching for it in late game situations like that. It would have been beneficial with 7 seconds.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Mar 23, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have been harping about the lack of defense

on the last play. I agree that the refs missed the TO call by McDonald but even still, you have to play defense if the opposing team is running down court until the whistle blows!

by bluecrip on Mar 23, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would agree with that.

I don’t think the outcome of the game would have been affected, in all probability. But due to poor officiating on that last sequence, we will never know.

We all know through first-hand experience that it has happened before — to us!

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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 23, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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