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Q & A with Former Wildcat Great Mike Casey

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In the long and rich history of Kentucky basketball, only 26 players have been selected All-SEC three times.  Mike Casey is one of them.  The sharpshooting 6'4" guard out of Shelby County, Kentucky had a spectacular career wearing the blue and white, graduating with 1,535 points to his credit (13th all-time). 

Casey was a part of what some consider to be the best recruiting class in UK history.  The class included 11 players, most notably: Dan Issel, Mike Pratt, Casey, and Terry Mills.  Unfortunately, Casey suffered a severely broken leg between his junior and senior year.  Because of this, he had to redshirt what would have been his senior year, potentially costing UK a National Championship in 1970.

Casey, Kentucky's Mr. Basketball in 1966, finished his career averaging 18.7 points per game, in 82 games played.  The 18.7 points per game he averaged for his incredible career ranks ninth in UK history, only one-tenth of a point below Jamal Mashburn.  He also led the Wildcats in free throw shooting in 1968 at 82.3%, and in assists in '69, with 4.6 per game. 

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One bit of information lost to history is the fact that Casey carries the honor of being the only man to out-score Dan Issel at the collegiate level: In their sophomore year Casey averaged 20.1 points per game to Issel's 16.4.  His junior year his average dipped just a bit to 19.1 points per game.  After redshirting what would have been his senior year, Casey came back to average 17.0 points per game.  His final year he also shot an exceptional 50.4% from the field.

He also boasts this honor: Adolph Rupp -- "Casey was the best money player I ever coached.  When there was money on the table, you wanted Mike Casey to have the ball in his hands." (Editor's Note -- I asked, he doesn't have any eligibility left)

Quite a flattering statement coming from a man who coached 28 All-Americas in his illustrious career.  Perhaps one of the reasons the Baron was so fond of Casey was because Kentucky's record during his three years was an excellent 67-16, an .807 winning percentage.

Interesting side-note -- Casey's Shelby County team defeated Louisville Male 72-67 for the Kentucky State Championship in 1966, which was the same night that UK lost to Texas Western in the National Title game.

I recently had the great pleasure of speaking with the Wildcat great on a variety of issues, here's what he had to say:

ASOB -- You were Mr. Basketball out of Shelby County in 1966, did you consider playing your college ball anywhere else?  Other than UK who came after you the hardest?

Casey -- "Well, U of L came after me.  I had over 200 offers, so there were a lot of teams.  U of L and Duke came after me first, and I took my visit to Florida, but I wasn't too impressed with them."

"I had it in my mind to attend UK after watching the Fiddlin' Five in 1958.  I told my dad, 'If I ever play college ball, I want to go to UK'."

ASOB -- Coach Rupp didn't do a lot of recruiting when you played.  Did coach Hall recruit you?

Casey -- "Coach (Joe) Hall and coach (Harry) Lancaster were my primary recruiters.  I met coach Rupp between my junior and senior year in high school, and he told me to work hard and hopefully have a good senior year."

ASOB -- Coach Rupp once called you "the best money player I ever coached."  He obviously had an affinity for you, did you feel the "love" while you were playing for him?

Casey -- "He treated my fine, but there wasn't any favoritism.  He kept you at arms length.  The only time you ever saw him was if there was a problem.  You wanted to stay on his good side."

ASOB -- You were an essential member of one of the greatest UK recruiting classes in history (Dan Issel, Mike Pratt, and Casey).  Did you feel any added pressure to perform?

Casey -- "No sir, I didn't look at it that way.  I thought I could play at Kentucky."

ASOB -- I know that game tape wasn't as prevalent in the late '60's as it is today, because of this, did coach Rupp prepare the team to combat the opponents strengths, or did he coach you to take advantage of UK's strengths?

Casey -- "We always had game film.  He would send out scouts ... we always had film.  He (Rupp) did whatever he had to do." 

"Somedays we would watch film before practice, sometimes after practice.  But, back then teams only had one or two guys you had to worry about, and everybody knew what seven or eight plays that Rupp ran.  He did put in the stack offense to take advantage of Issel's scoring ability." 

ASOB -- You shot 50.4% from the field your senior year, which is outstanding for a guard.  Do you feel that shooting the basketball is a lost art?

Casey -- "Oh yeah.  The fundamentals aren't there.  They hold the ball wrong, and many don't follow-through."

"I was watching Nick Calathes the other night.  He wasn't following-through with his shot and he missed a couple of free throws.  Later, he got to doing it (following through) and he made five of six."

"They don't work on anything anymore, they just want to play.  We would shoot with our hands across the seams of the ball, you don't see that anymore."

ASOB -- You had a terrible car accident in the summer between your junior and senior year (He had to redshirt what would have been his senior year).  Did the broken leg you suffered adversely effect your performance in your senior year?

Casey -- "Yes, I lost my quick first step.  I should have sat out another year." (That possibility wasn't available to him)

ASOB -- Coach Gillipsie has now coached 60 games at UK.  What type of job do you think he's doing so far? 

Casey -- "First of all, I think he's in over his head.  I think he has no clue as to what's going on in the game." 

"I just don't think he knows what it means to coach at UK.  I hate to say it, but a change has to be made, and soon, or we're going to lose what UK is all about.  Ask (Richie) Farmer, or (John) Pelphrey, or (Deron) Feldhaus what it means to play at Kentucky.  Ask them what that "Kentucky" across their chests means.  Somehow we've let that go.  If we lost we came out fightin' mad; we weren't going to lose two in a row.  It's beyond me why (Mitch) Barnhart and (Lee) Todd put up with it."

ASOB -- With the way the season is turning out, can you tell us what type of pressure the players are under?

Casey -- "They're under tremendous pressure because of the prestige ... getting embarrassed on national TV.  This (the South Carolina game) isn't the first time."

ASOB -- Let's end on a high note: What is your favorite memory of coach Rupp?

Casey -- "Him saying that I was the best "money player" that he ever coached was special.  I appreciate it as time passes.  For him to put me in the upper-echelon of players ... that was pretty special."

I want to sincerely thank Mr. Casey for his time, and for answering my questions in such an honest manner.

DISCLAIMER: AS WITH ANY INTERVIEW SUBJECT, THEY DO NOT NECESSARILY EXPRESS THE VIEWS HELD BY A SEA OF BLUE.

For previous interviews with former Wildcat greats:

Mike Pratt     Cotton Nash     Bob Burrow    Louie Dampier

Thanks for reading, and Go 'Cats!

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Thank You, Jesus! (Err, Ken)

Mike Casey was my very favorite Wildcat as a teenager. I learned to banked my jumpshot from the opposite side like he did.

The first Wildcat game I ever saw (January 1967) was between Casey’s Wildkittens and the UC Bearkittens.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 2, 2009 4:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

"Bank your jumpshot from the opposite side?"

Not sure what you mean by that one. Opposite side of what?

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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 2, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

come on Tru...

Right handers from the left side facing, left handers from the right side facing…

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Mar 2, 2009 8:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well ...

… I must be unusual, then. I bank from both sides, and always have. Maybe I should be instructing you guys on how to properly shoot the bank shot. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 2, 2009 8:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That is so.

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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 3, 2009 6:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

RH Typically Banks From Left Side Facing The Basket

Casey did it from opposite side (if you can visualize).

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 2, 2009 4:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Oh.

I always banked shots from both sides, and still do, whenever I have the angle. I used to practice banking them from the deep right corner, and was very proficient at it, but it was mostly for show. Nowadays, I have enough trouble just seeing the basket from the deep corner. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 2, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm gonna start calling you Pip (for Scotty Pippen:)

He was one of the best “bank-shooters” I ever saw.

by Ken Howlett on Mar 2, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He was.

Sadly, it is becoming a lost art.

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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 2, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Just like the mid-range jumper,

In fact, that is usually when you would bank one.

by wklawdog on Mar 2, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Casey

Would slide from the corner on a diagonal to FT line, stop halfway and bank it in.

Great H-O-R-S-E shot if you knew how to shoot it.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 2, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Heh.

On a dead 45-degree angle, I’d call that shot with no rim. :-)

That’s a bit tougher to do at 30 degrees, but it actually gets easier at around 20. The trouble is, nobody shoots a bank at 20 degrees except in H-O-R-S-E. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 2, 2009 5:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep.

Patrick Patterson is the only player I have seen bank a shot all year.

Never seen Meeks, Porter or any other guard try to bank anything outside of five feet.

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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 2, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Tim Duncan

in the NBA goes to the bank often. And not just to deposit that big Check. :-)

by LyricSmith on Mar 2, 2009 10:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sam Jones

My all-time favorite “banker” was Sam Jones, of course being a 55-year Celtic fan colors my opinion.

by Wild Weasel on Mar 2, 2009 10:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The old guys ...

… used to love to bank the ball.

Every time I see Meeks pull up inside the arc on the wing for a 12-footer, I holler “Bank it!”

Hasn’t happened yet. :-(

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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 3, 2009 6:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Going way back

I tried in vain to find something to support my memory, but Lafayette had a kid in the late ’50s — Jon Speakes, as I recall — who went to Carolina or Duke for a year or two, then died in an auto accident. Anyway, it seemed he banked every shot. A left-hander, he shot it soft and high off the glass. A thing of beauty. And deadly.

by Fortunatus on Mar 3, 2009 8:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Duke In 1959 (I Think)

He was the reason that Mullins liked Duke.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 3, 2009 10:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, indeed.

I think that’s one of the things that makes him great.

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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 3, 2009 6:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Harrellson

Banks in layups all the time
(when he plays)

by EEWildcat on Mar 4, 2009 8:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

1966 Recruiting Class

UK 1966 Recruits

C Dan Issel 6-8 Batavia IL
F Randy Pool 6-7 Oak Ridge TN – kicked off team as senior
F Travis Butler 6-6 Rogersville AL Lauderdale County – flunked out
F Mike Pratt 6-4 Dayton OH Meadowdale
G Mike Casey 6-4 Shelby County KY
G Bill Busey 5-10 Shelby County KY – quit after junior year
F Clint Wheeler 6-7 Ashland KY Blazer
G Benny Spears 6-2 Ashland KY Blazer – flunked out, came back but transferred
G Terry Mills 6-2 Knox Central KY
G Jim Dinwiddie 6-3 Leitchfield KY
F Mort Fraley 6-6 Lexington KY Catholic – flunked out
F Wayland Long 6-7 Garrard County KY walk-on – transferred

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 2, 2009 5:29 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Kenny Anderson (Bengal's QB) and Dan Issel

…played on the same Batavia High School basketball team….FYI.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Mar 3, 2009 11:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good Questions, Honest Answers

I missed most of the 60’s as far as UK concerned since I was in military and outside US most of the decade and Stars And Stripes and AFR was about the only sports connection. Parents kept me up to date as much as possible but usually considerably after the fact. Appreciate Casey’s insight and candor although I think he may be guilty as most as described by The Boss:

"We just sit around talking about the old times She says when she feels like crying she starts laughing thinking about: Glory days, well they’ll pass you by Glory days, in the wink of a young girl’s eye, Glory days, glory days"

I would agree with one of his opinions: Gillispie is in over his head, said before he came, say it now, but the point is no coach in his early years, no matter how experienced, — perhaps with the exception of a former Cat — will have a full understanding of UK BB. HIs assertion that the coach doesn’t have a clue is a gross exaggeration and his contention that an immediate change is necessary seems a bit, shall we say, hysterical.

by Wild Weasel on Mar 2, 2009 6:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: WW

What I have found in doing these interviews is that the former players are very propietary about the program, which seems to intensify their feelings, both positive and negative.

by Ken Howlett on Mar 2, 2009 6:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree ...

… he answered honestly. That doesn’t make him right or wrong.

And I love your song reference. The Boss was a fave of mine in my younger days, and I always liked that song.

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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 2, 2009 8:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent interview....

I found his comments about BCG rather interesting. I guess he has the cache to get away with those words. When a man of Casey’s status/background says “he is in over his head” and “he has no clue as to what is going on in the game” people will take notice. Lord knows if I said it, (and I haven’t), the responses would be entirely different.

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by SevenRings on Mar 2, 2009 7:41 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I don't ...

… know if that really means all that much. He was just a player. A good one, for sure, but it isn’t as though that makes him an expert on everything basketball. We all need to remember that players were not gods, nor were they geniuses. They were players.

I’m really glad Mike Casey consented to the interview. Even if I don’t agree with him about Gillispie, I love reading about his experience at UK. Gillispie is a big boy — he can take the heat.

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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 2, 2009 8:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

I know its his opnion and he has every right to it, but I was really turned off by his Gillispie comments. Considering his stature I think he probably could have probably found a better way to phrase his coments especially considering the fragile state of the BBN right now and that there are so many people out there just looking for a “cause” to hop on the send-Billy-packing bandwagon. I think that these comments are just fuel to the fire. I especially think that as a former UK player doing an interview that will be publically posted that his “he has no clue as to what is going on in the game” comment was rude and disrespectful. I hate to feel this way about a former Cat, but I do.

I believe in Billy G.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 3, 2009 9:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We have ...

… seen it a lot, just not so bluntly. Ex-players don’t have to be careful with their words if the choose not to be.

Unfortunately, credible bloggers and media types must be more circumspect.

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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 3, 2009 10:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Credible bloggers?

Isn’t that a contradiction of terms?? ;-)

Certainly found his comments to be alarming in regards to being so blunt and so critical, but certainly not his position. I’d be interested to hear from someone on how close he is ‘connected’ to the program now. Does he live in Lexington? Does he go to the games? Is he still in the fraternity?

Furthermore, kudos for you all to post his interview verbatim. Must not have been to easy since I believe it is contrary to your views. Congrats.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Mar 3, 2009 5:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Contrary opinions are always welcome ...

… as long as they are fairly stated and defended.

But in his case, Ken sought him out and asked him a question, to which he responded. Not to publish that due to opinion differences would have been unethical and dishonest. I would never treat anyone so, especially a former Wildcat player.

It was very easy to do, though I thought it important to disclaim his interview as not representative of the opinion of the site itself, since the difference in views is obviously so wide. I have no problem at all with people holding the opinion that Gillispie is wrong for UK and should be replaced immediately. I just don’t agree, and I think most ‘Cat fans don’t agree. But it isn’t as though it is out of the mainstream.

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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 3, 2009 5:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

tink you and I may be alone on this

but, I agree with you. I have always been a huge fan of Mike Casey. Casey, Issel and Pratt were sort of the first players I remember following as a kid (a painful loss to Marquette stands out in my memories, of course, my memory could be wrong and if it is, Forty will come straighten it out)
But back to Casey, I think he shouldn’t have said this in a public venue. I think saying Billy has no clue is even more disrespectful than saying “that’s a bad question Janine.” and look how much attention that got. He could have said he didn’t understand BG’s plan without torching him. this will cause disruption in the nation; it will work its way down to the confidence our players have in their coach (they say they don’t pay attention to media stuff but it is impossible not to) and it could even hurt recruiting. This is a pivotal time where we stand between a season that is a huge embarrassment and one that has redeeming qualities, and in my opinion, not good timing.

by StillCatwoman on Mar 3, 2009 10:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Surely Marquette didn't...

…beat the Casey, Issel, and Pratt combo 6 times. So without looking it up, I would guess 1968 or 69?

My memory says that we always lose to Marquette, (certainly both Billy AND TUBBY have lost to them) (jk) except when I was in high school in the 70’s I think we beat them at least once. I don’t have your good memory for all these details; we have all come to trust you like our reference book.

by StillCatwoman on Mar 3, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No, My Reply Just Pointed Out That Marquette Has Beaten UK A Lot In NCAA

The L in 71 put UK out. The L in 69 was a consolation game.

The results can be seen at the link above.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 3, 2009 11:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OOPS, Other Way Around

L in 69 put Cats out. L in 71 was consolation after getting clobbered by Western KY.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 3, 2009 11:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

umm the WKU game

Another painful loss that stands out clearly in my mind. and hey, I was being sarcastic about 6 loses in the casey-issel-pratt years.

by StillCatwoman on Mar 3, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Right

Casey TOTALLY has a right to his opinion, I just feel that his wording – especially since it was a public forum – was in poor taste. Honestly, I dont know much about Casey since he was before my time, but I dont think too much of him based upon this.

I believe in Billy G.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 3, 2009 10:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: kentuckygirl

Your feelings are completely understood by me. You make some excellent points.

by Ken Howlett on Mar 3, 2009 11:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What was Casey thinking?

While I understand that he was a great player and obviously he is as frustrated as much of the BBN at the current plight of UK bball, he really should have thought more before he spoke in anger amidst such an already volatile situation. Did he not realize what effect a former respected player of his status would have on the media and already rabid fans? Sure, he has right to his opinion but in light of who he is he could have worded it differently to avoid further disrespect of a coach and team that desperately need our encouragement and support for the remainder of the season.

If the interview had been with Dan Issel instead (and for hypothetical purposes he felt the same way), I guarantee he would not have said the same thing because he would understand that a good portion of fans and media take a former wildcats word as gospel and would further use that kind of statement as a spring board for addtional character assassination.

by slidemank on Mar 3, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Issel also coached for a number of years

and understands the “hot seat” effect.

by hoboat33 on Mar 3, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah!

Great point there!

by slidemank on Mar 3, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cutler

It annoys me that Cutler is reaping hits off the interview you did by not linking to your site.

Old journalism strikes again.

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by JL Blue on Mar 2, 2009 7:43 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Eh?

What do you mean?

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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 2, 2009 8:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Never mind.

I found it.

What a rat. Typical Jurassic media dipwad.

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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 2, 2009 8:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ASoB makes the local news

The Mike Casey interview was referenced on WLEX 18 tonight.

by String Music on Mar 2, 2009 11:30 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I thought it might.

I even called my father to tell him to watch the Lex. sports (I don’t get those channels in Logan Co.).

Cutler referenced Casey’s quote on his LEX blog (minus the link, sheesh), so I thought there might be a TV mention.

by Ken Howlett on Mar 2, 2009 11:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Congrats Ken

Great job as always!

by String Music on Mar 2, 2009 11:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You had an imposter the other day String Music...

None of us could imagine you going so out of whack on your comments.

Thankfully, a member noticed it, and Tru sent him off the blog for now.

by kykat51 on Mar 3, 2009 7:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

On another note....

No one, and I mean no one, should ever try to be a poser with my name. It takes a hell of lot to make me mad and I am here everyday even if not commenting. I will notice it immediately.

by kykat51 on Mar 3, 2009 7:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think it would be obvious

and Tru would bounce them so fast the internet would get whiplash

by hoboat33 on Mar 3, 2009 11:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ASOB goes national

after the Casey comments.Sit down,keep your arms inside the ride at all times,and hang on : o

by -Zoso- on Mar 3, 2009 6:50 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Heh.

It certainly made everyone stand up and take notice. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 3, 2009 7:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Which is exactly what I said in my original post about his comments....

there was no doubt in my mind that those comments would get noticed.

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by SevenRings on Mar 3, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No offense to Ken's excellent work on this

but I cant help but wonder that had Casey not made the negative comments of Gillispie if this still would have gotten so much attention. I mean, Ken has done other very interesting interviews with past players that did not receive this kind of attention. More to prove that the nation loves the pile-on effect. I do not respect that at all.

I believe in Billy G.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 3, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Of course it would not have gotten the attention.

This is the world we live. Those were extreme statements for a high profile former player. Would Jim Calhouns post game press conference gotten any national attention if there was not a blowup with a trolling journalist? Of course not. Negativism sells.

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by SevenRings on Mar 3, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Negativism sells

Very true and very sad. I hope that Mike Casey is very proud of himself.

I believe in Billy G.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 3, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree and Disagree

While I agree that negativism sells papers (or in this case pushes pixels), the main difference between this piece and the others Ken has done is that this one is news.

I’ve enjoyed all of his interview pieces, but lets be honest… none of the other subjects gave him much more than nostalgic fluff. Casey gave us all something new to discuss and debate.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Mar 3, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I

like hearing about the old days. Of course my degree is in history so I am a sucker for that stuff :)

by tenken on Mar 4, 2009 9:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

he was voicing his opinion....

…….and guess what, we all don’t agree on the same issues. If BCG isn’t the right man, then no reason to keep him around….if he is, then he will prove hisself. And playing under the Baron, I’m sure he learned to say what he means and mean what he says. Next story please.

by teambeam on Mar 3, 2009 7:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting interview.... good job, Ken.

His comments about CBG are being talked about on just about every UK message board and/or UK blog.

GBB!!!

by OGETARTS on Mar 3, 2009 8:05 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Great work on getting this interview.

I agree with Mike Casey completely…..about the fundamentals being gone from the game. :)

These damn AAU camps and ESPN highlight reels. Teaching kids about posterizing and selfish play. Unless they get to the rim for a dunk most of the kids out there can’t shoot. Forget about the midrange game. It’s either under the basket or 20’ away. One of these days some kid is going to come along with a midrange game and set scoring records that haven’t been changed since Maravich.

This years Wildcats are enigmatic at best and pure torture at worst. Coach has a lot to learn but he’s proven himself capable. We’ll see after the 09-10 season if he’s gotten to a level of understanding about UK BB.

by bluecrip on Mar 3, 2009 8:22 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Excellent comment.

I just hope whoever breaks Maravich’s records is wearing Blue and White :)

by Ken Howlett on Mar 3, 2009 9:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

First, Ken,

great interview with Mike Casey. He was a year behind me and was one of those guys who seemed to have ball magnets for hands. By that, I mean that if there was a loose ball, he seemed to always end up with it. Great player/great Wildcat-yes. Great stragegist in what is currently best for the program-maybe not, in my opinion. But enough has been said about that already.

As far as the next Maravich being a Wildcat, I know that was a throw-away line, but I respectfully disagree. Pete’s teams never won the SEC, and he never beat KY, if memory serves me correctly. I’ll take a team like that ‘66 recruiting class produced—three great players and a couple of other good ones. If Pete hadn’t played for Press, he would have scored less, but won more. Just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should.

No moral victories--it's all about Ws and Ls!!!

by oldcat'69 on Mar 3, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, and ...

… I agree.

Maravich — You’re right, it was “thow-away line.”

I agree, again; I would take Issel, Pratt, and Casey etc., over Maravich any day.

But, it would be nice to have a player with such an amazing skill-set playing for UK today :)

by Ken Howlett on Mar 3, 2009 12:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If you just took his ball-handling ability

and put it on this year’s team, we could be at the two- or three-loss level now.

No moral victories--it's all about Ws and Ls!!!

by oldcat'69 on Mar 3, 2009 7:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ever Wonder Y Maravich Wound Up At LSU From Raleigh NC?

His SAT score wasn’t high enough for admission to NC State (where his Dad, Press, was then coaching) so Press took the LSU job instead, bringing Pete with him.

Maravich was born and raised in Sewickley PA near Pittsburgh.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 3, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Amen

We need a team, not a showman.

by Fortunatus on Mar 3, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hello oldcat'69

In addition to this post, I particularly agreed with your previous comments reagarding Larry Conley. If he had been 6’10, I swear he could have been another Larry Bird. He was definitely the glue for Rupp’s Runts, and being ill in his last game had an impact that cannot be quantified.

I have read many of your posts without knowing that we have a shared personal acquaintance — my brother — who was commissioned with you at UK and later became the AF CE. No need to mention the name — you have to know of whom I am speaking.

Thanks for your service,

longtime

by longtime on Mar 3, 2009 9:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This is what I have been loving about this site in the past months

All these oldtimers coming on board and seeing people here that join and recognize someone from the past to whom they can relate.

Thank you longtime for your contribution to the site.

by kykat51 on Mar 3, 2009 11:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, longtime,

haven’t seen Earnie in several years, but keep up with him some through a mutual friend. Tell him I said “Hi”.

As far as Larry Conley goes, he was the most unselfish talented player I’ve ever seen, and a particular hero of mine. As Forty will confirm, he was very highly rated out of high school, yet he sacrificed the publicity that would have attended high scoring averages to do what others would/could not—pass and lead the team. A truly great Wildcat. As was, incidentally, Mike Casey. While his scoring averages were higher than Larry’s, he was a hell of a passer, too, and dribbled almost as well as Maravich. I saw the Maravich/Casey combo playing together in some post-season game in LEX one year, and it was the most amazing thing I’ve ever seen. Would that the current year’s team had a ballhandler with half their skills.

No moral victories--it's all about Ws and Ls!!!

by oldcat'69 on Mar 4, 2009 8:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Great Interview

Mike didn’t sugarcoat his feelings, which is a breath of fresh air.

by btcoop71 on Mar 3, 2009 8:28 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks guys and gals!

I just asked the questions.

by Ken Howlett on Mar 3, 2009 8:58 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

With all do respect to Mr. Casey

The fundamentals are apparently not as missing as it would seem. MIke would not be leading the 2009 WIldcats in free throw percentage.

He also led the Wildcats in free throw shooting in 1968 at 82.3%

by LyricSmith on Mar 3, 2009 9:22 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Heh.

Nice.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Mar 3, 2009 9:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I think that he's right about fundamentals not being as sound as they once were.

In UK’s case — The blocking-out is not good, fundamental ball-handling skills are lacking, talking to your teammates is a fundamental that UK has not yet conquered — Any team with the number of TO’s and the number of offensive rebounds given up to their opponents, is not fundamentally sound.

Not that the above problems are G’s fault. One can find these shortcomings in many previous UK teams, as well as teams throughout the country (South Carolina shoots 59% from the FT line as a team). As someone else above, I think that the advent of AAU ball has hurt players having a grasp of the fundamentals — The summer circuit is geared to “Look what I can do!” Not on working on a fundamentally sound bounce-pass, or back-pick.

That’s my opinion, anyway.

by Ken Howlett on Mar 3, 2009 9:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dang ...

… I just figured out this thing had no recommendations. WTH?

Well, it’s got one now. :-)

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Mar 3, 2009 9:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I Do Agree

As a rule, fundamentals in the modern game are lacking.

However, I felt like someone had to point out that there are still fundamental and pure scorers in the game. Especially since Jodie Meeks may well be the perfect example of a fundamentally sound scorer.

The other skills you mention are certainly becoming rare. Yes I agree.

Bravo for the story by the way!

by LyricSmith on Mar 3, 2009 7:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

On an earlier point

Tink and others were giving Casey a hard time for his comments on coach and saying that he should have forseen the trouble that his statements would cause. Casey does not strike me as unintelligent, perhaps he made those comments with a purpose. Thoughts?

by wklawdog on Mar 3, 2009 12:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Maybe ...

… his temperature went up a few degrees when I asked him that question.

But he certainly did not intimate to me that his comments were motivated by some “high purpose.”

by Ken Howlett on Mar 3, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If that is true

then the issue goes beyond just poor taste and my opinion of him goes even lower.

I believe in Billy G.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 3, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I've been trying not to write what I think,

so I won’t. Just let me say that, like Dickey Lyons, Sr., Mike would not have been expected to have given much thought to what he said. He was probably always going to say what he thought in any situation. He was one of the very best ballplayers I’ve ever seen, he was a great guy to be around, was very friendly, etc, but I would not have expected him to have thought about the impact of his remarks. Just because you CAN say something doesn’t mean you should, especially if the overall health of the program is what concerns you.

That said, I pray that Mike finds a donor soon and that the transplant is a huge success. Nobody had more heart than he did when he was in a UK uniform.

No moral victories--it's all about Ws and Ls!!!

by oldcat'69 on Mar 3, 2009 7:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Great Interview Ken

I always find these interviews enjoyable. I have a lot of respect for Mr. Casey as he was a great player for UK basketball.

As far as his comments about Coach G, he certainly has a right to his opinion, I just don’t happen to agree with him at this point in time.

by kykat51 on Mar 3, 2009 1:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Good interview Ken

I’m a little surprised at the BCG comment, mostly because 99.998% of the time a former player/coach/assistant/towel boy/etc will give some variation of the “He’s had a tough time, but he’ll get it together and get things back on track” cliche.

I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra

by JLeverenz on Mar 3, 2009 2:10 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Mike Casey

Let’s all take into account what he has been through many years with his failing heart and that he is awaiting a heart transplant, and most assuredly on medications.

UK’s play this season could not have had a good effect on his heart problem, as in very frustrating to say the least, even to us who have no heart problems.

by kykat51 on Mar 3, 2009 3:08 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I hate to hear about his health issues

Still – IMO – no good reason for him to be as classless as he was with his comments. As a former UK player, he knows how this works. I wish him the best of luck with his health, but that does not change my opinion of him.

I believe in Billy G.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 3, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

obviously....

you’ve never known anyone waiting on a heart transplant. I am sure that he is greatful for your well wishes…

by ukkitty1 on Mar 3, 2009 7:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Let's not forget....

Please let’s not forget that The GREAT Mike Casey is awaiting a heart transplant and may have been interviewed while being a bit under the weather and MIGHT just not have realized what he was saying. He would never disrespect the BIg Blue Nation and their coaching staff in any why what-so-ever!
On On U of K.

by ukkitty1 on Mar 3, 2009 7:22 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks ukkitty

That is exactly what I was trying to impart on the readers here. I am an older UK fan so I can understand.

I had to go through a possible liver transplant with my hubby in 2002, but his liver regenerated and he was no longer eligible. Heart transplants patients do not regenerate, Casey is waiting. I am sure he is under the weather. I can excuse his comments about Coach G.

by kykat51 on Mar 3, 2009 7:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Allow me to add:

Casey was lucid and in possession of all his facultes, otherwise, I would not have done the interview.

He just has a very strong opinion on this matter, one he has held for some time now.

I’m not meaning to “take-away” from what kykat is saying, she is right about his overall health, but Casey’s statement about Gillispie was not the result of him taking medication, etc.

by Ken Howlett on Mar 3, 2009 11:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Casey's Comments

To start, let me be clear: I love Kentucky Basketball, as I’m sure you do too. I have followed the Cats for 40 years. This may seem a long time to some, a short time for others. My first UK memories are of the ’68-’69 season. During this time as a fan I have been guilty of being quite a homer, reveling in our numerous successes. Even when we struggled, I always had the confidence that things would be better next game, next year, etc. When it comes to the Wildcats, I always saw things through rose (royal blue) colored glasses.

For the first time in my life, I struggle to find confidence in the current direction of the program. I know that I will come off as a basher but please know that I am trying very hard to separate my love for the Cats from my logical analysis of the situation. I also have been guilty of writing off any critique of any UK player or Coach as mindless bashing. I hope that, if you read my comments, you will not make that assumption.

I am so glad Mike Casey stepped forward and said what so many others think. I fear, however, that we may be stuck with BCG for quite some time. The AD, who is also not a Kentuckian, would be admitting his mistake by cutting BCG loose. Does MB love Kentucky Basketball enough to do the right thing even if it makes his prior decision look bad? I think MB is also in over his head. Does he understand that the basketball program in Kentucky is a source of great pride for most everyone in the Commonwealth? He is simply the current steward.

MB needs to step up or get out. Hagan or Newton would never have allowed this.

by HarlanCountyCat on Mar 3, 2009 8:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Is This An Example?

Seems to me this is a close approximation of “The Soft Bigotry Of High Expectations”.

by Wild Weasel on Mar 3, 2009 8:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OMG!!!!!

Its been (not-even) TWO YEARS!!!!!!! This is insane, to me.

I believe in Billy G.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 4, 2009 8:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It

is insane for most schools. Kentucky though…………..not so sure. I mean that the fans feel this way.

by tenken on Mar 4, 2009 9:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I respect your opinion, and you've articulated it very well, but ...

For some reason there exists some type of strange bias against Barnhart. For some it’s because he’s considered a “football AD.” This causes some to question his loyalty to the basketball program. You don’t say as much, but that’s how some feel.

This, to me, is ludicrous. He takes very seriously his job as overseer of all things UK athletics: he has increased recruiting budgets for all sports, he’s done a terrific job in hiring new coaches; he’s increased the overall athletic department budget to bring it in line with other SEC schools (although it is still lower than some); he’s increased the assistant coaches pay in both basketball and football; he oversaw, and raised funds for the Craft Center project, which is college basketball’s premier practice facility. These are just a few of the items he’s tackled since taking over six years ago.

“Hagan or Newton would never have allowed this” — That’s preposterous. Hagan oversaw a time in UK sports when cheating was rampant. He set UK back with his lack of oversight, and look the other way attitude. He was a great player, but a god-awful AD. Newton only hired the guy who set back UK football about a decade or so.

But, neither Newton nor Hagan would have fired a basketball coach after only two years. Think about what that would do to the program — Let’s say Barnhart is hypothetically searching for a new coach, he finds one he likes, and the best he can say to the poor sap is that he “has two years to prove his worth.” — I’m sure coaches will be beating down the doors of Barnhart’s office for the opportunity to coach in the pressure-cooker enviroment the UK basketball coach lives in … why, because it’s UK? Not anymore. A new coach would also very possibly be without Patterson, Meeks, Orton and any other player that may choose to transfer, or beg out of his LOI.

Not an ideal situation. Especially when has only two years to institute major changes within the program.

I have been critical of Gillispie in the past — I’ve questioned some of his game plans, and the way he deals with the media when things aren’t going his way is classless at times. But, he deserves more time. He doesn’t deserve to be fired. He deserves time to get his players into the system … then we’ll judge.

  

by Ken Howlett on Mar 4, 2009 8:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You

are right……..Newton would have put up with it. He did with Pitino. I mean his first two seasons weren’t great by Kentucky standards. Of course he had a whole mess on his hands, but just looking at win/losses(which some want to look at) he wasn’t that great.

On the classless part. I wonder how classy ole Rupp would have been with some of these stupid questions that reporters throw at Billy. Just makes me think.

by tenken on Mar 4, 2009 9:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Some Examples Of Coached Fired After 2 Years (None Good)

One is Ron Jirsa at Georgia. Replaced by Jim Harrick, who landed the Bulldogs in NCAA Hot Water. Georgia has no been the same ever since.

UCLA regularly changed coaches (after Wooden) every 2 years (or so). It didn’t do much good.

It would be ABSURD to change coaches after 2 years at UK so long as there are no NCAA or off-the-court issues (and there are NONE).

It remains to be seen if Gillispie can cut it or not. Very much unproven coaching results. But that matters not.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 4, 2009 9:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ken

I also want to say that maybe we need to lay out these major changes that Billy has had to do. Without getting Tubby lovers out of the woodwork and upset, can we have a civil discussion about what he has had to do. Maybe that will help some understand that its not easy.

by tenken on Mar 4, 2009 9:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The 3rd Year Makes Or Breaks A UK Basketball Coach

1933 – Adolph Rupp won the SEC in its 1st year of existence and Helms Trophy, too. It was first 20 W season ever at UK.

1975 – Joe Hall took UK back to prominence on a national stage, defeating an “unbeatable” IU team and taking UCLA down to the wire in Wooden’s last game.

1988 – Eddie Sutton got caught cheating that season, destroying an otherwise promising UK career.

1992 – Rick Pitino took Sutton’s leftovers, added a healthy dose of Monster Mash, and took Duke to the final second of OT in NCAA.

2000 – Tubby Smith struggled in his 3rd year, although he did beat Florida and Mich St (NC finalists). Many forgot the 1990’s rather quickly.

2010 – that will be the year that Billy Gillispie turns right or left. It’s his crossroads.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 3, 2009 9:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Man

loved 1992-have grown to love it as the road back to success. It was painful for me to thnk about many years but now I just relish the fact that those idiots were wrong when they said it would take Kentucky 10 years to recover. Still cannot watch that shot though.

Tubby won a NC-third year rule out the window :)

by tenken on Mar 4, 2009 9:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, Not So

The relatively weak 3rd year results (in 2000) made lots of people forget that UK was 2 years removed from NC in 1998. UK beat both NC finalists that year but not in late March.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 4, 2009 10:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If Patterson and Meeks leave

Billy G’s 3rd year is in a world of hurt.

by btcoop71 on Mar 4, 2009 9:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

and I would say that right there is the recruiting job of his life. Keep them there.

by tenken on Mar 4, 2009 9:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Heard

alot of fuss about this interview. Finally got to read it. Good job Ken. Excellent interview. He was before my time. I do like hearing about the “old” guys. I respect his talk about our players. He makes a valid point. I think that you know as an athlete you do not stand for beatdowns like South Carolina gave us. If you do then I don’t see how you respect the jersey that you are wearing. Is that BG’s fault? I don’t think it is. But for sure its the players fault. BG has said over and over again……..that you don’t play this way at Kentucky. People BG understands Kentufcky. Out of any coach that could ever come here, I think he understands Kentucky(outside of a former player). This is his dream job and you could see it from day one. I don’t believe in the four years, but I do the three years. If Billy is doing his job, then we will know next year. I think that Mr. Casey though is like us, he is passionate about his Kentucky to the point that he has is “insanity moments” like us and just puts it out there. I cannot fault him for that. I can only love his passion.

by tenken on Mar 4, 2009 9:32 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'm Disappointed With His 2008 Recruiting

For a guy who came with a Great Recruiter reputation, I don’t see it (yet).

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 4, 2009 9:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't

understand recruiting at all. I don’t follow it at all. I trust Coach though. He knows what we need and he will get what we need if not its his funeral. So I don’t think that we to worry about him not getting the right guys.

by tenken on Mar 4, 2009 9:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Based On 2008 Class, I Think There's Plenty Of Concern

Recruiting the Right Guys at Kentucky is very different than recruiting at TAMU or UTEP.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 4, 2009 10:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

My concern is that Gillispie has been recruiting as if he’s still at A&M. We’ll see what happens.

I’m definitely in the doubter category now, but I will never support firing a coach after 2 years.

Can you imagine what that would say? “Yes, we fired our last coach. He was SEC coach of the year his first season and went to the NCAA tournament twice, but that’s not good enough for us.”

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Mar 4, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

forty

based on some of your stats on recruits signed and those that stay, doesn’t a coach really only need to pick up one or two players a year? i would agree that the larger the class, the greater the chance of picking up a good player – but i guess i figure if you could pick up a patterson one year and a miller the next (and yes the jury is still out on miller) you would be headed in the right direction. i know that in the era of one or two and done’s, the number becomes 2 a year – so maybe you mix in a galloway (again, jury still out).

i know 2008 was his second year, but based on when he came, he only had about 6 months to recruit before most kids were well into their senior season.

yes, he could continue recruiting those kids he had at TAMU, but i have got to believe that now at UK, he will reach higher and 6 months was not enough time to build a base.

now, 2009, things will start to change as he has had time to recruit these kids since before their junior year…

by memphis wildcat on Mar 4, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

2 Per Year Would Be Fine

But you need more to compete for NCAA titles.

Look back at 1992-93-94-95 recruiting.

Delk, McCarty, Rhodes, Prickett, R Dent, Sheppard, Epps, Pope, Walker, Edwards, Mills, Padgett, Anderson, Mercer, Turner, Nazr Mohammed. (Oliver Simmons, too)

Each of those 16 recruits (over 4 classes) was a siginificant contributor to UK success from 1993 through 1999, our best performance since the late 1940’s and early 1950’s.

I don’t buy the He Only Had 6 Months To Recruit spin. He’s been actively recruiting HS, JuCo, and AAU for over 10 years. He didn’t have to start from scratch with 2008 class.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 4, 2009 12:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

thanks

i would agree that he would not have to start from scratch on 2008 – just that at TAMU his targets might not have been as highly sought after. i guess if he is the great recruiter that he is suppose to be, you could argue he could go after anyone for TAMU. still, i guess i want to believe that UK holds some panache that allows a coach to move up in his list of targets….good recruiter or not

also, if he could get two a year from the 08 class and two in the 09 class, then maybe by 10,he gets 3 and we are on our way back to the type of recruiting in 92 to 95….but i would agree with your earlier comments (and i am interpreting them a bit) that it is not clear that there were 2 in the 08 class……

by memphis wildcat on Mar 4, 2009 12:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Look Back At 1998-99-2000-01 Classes

1998 = 3 contributors, not 2 others (Blevins, Tackett).
1999 = 3 contributors, not other 1 (Knight).
2000 = 3 contributors, not other 1 (Parker did contribute as frosh though).
2001 = 1 contributor, not other 3 (Carruth, Chiles, Carrier).

Those classes had pretty good numbers at UK (184-54 over 7 years, 1999 thru 2005 and 15-7 in NCAA games). That’s an average 25-8 W-L record and Sweet 16 (average 2 W in NCAA) with 4 SEC titles and 4 SECT championships in 7 years, comparable to UK all-time averages in each category.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 4, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

good stuff

its clear the “recruiter” has some work to do. hopefully he builds on 07 and 08 and can start getting classes that have 3 contributors…..

by memphis wildcat on Mar 4, 2009 6:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Look Back To 1992 (Et Al)

UK got 1 contributor (Brassow) in 1989, 2 (Mashburn, Ford) in 1990, and 2 (Brown, Riddick) in 1991. Good but not enough.

The major infusion of talent from the 1992-93-94-95 classes was necessary to take the Hilary Step (and climb to the top of Mount Everest).

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 4, 2009 12:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

so if we look at the last 4 classes, it explains some of the problem

2008 (0,1 or 2 contributors so far), 2007 1 (patterson), 2006 1 (meeks), 2005 0

and last year you had 2004 2 (bradley, crawford) – but lost meeks. and given one was a PG, it is no wonder we had more success (record not withstanding).

seems to point to losing jasper as a key as well.

that being said, you need to coach the hand you are dealt – here is hoping BCG can deal himself a better hand…………

by memphis wildcat on Mar 4, 2009 12:39 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yes, I Prefer The 4 Year Overview

2004 = 4 solid contributors (out of 4 recruits)
2005 = 0 (out of 3)
2006 = 4 solid contributors (out of 5 recruits) leaving out Porter
2007 = 1 (out of 4) only Patterson
2008 = 1 (out of 5) only Miller

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 4, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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