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YOUTH and INEXPERIENCE a MUCH BIGGER PART of UK's/SEC's PROBLEMS THAN MANY REALIZE

Several recent comments here at ASOB have led me to believe that some of the readers/posters don't fully appreciate just how young this UK team is (in terms of who is actually on the floor playing), and just how young/inexperienced the entire SEC is by that same measure.  There is no question that much of our present mediocrity can be blamed on that very deficit of leadership and experience, not just at UK, but indeed across the conference. 

(With all of the recriminations swirling around the BBN, it is refreshing to note that this is the type of "fault" or "blame" that belongs neither to coach or to player --  it is simply a fact that having been there before helps a player do things better, as does having more time under any given coach.  Our profound turnover issues are just one symptom of that circumstance.  The older you get, the better you protect the ball, and the fewer stupid mistakes you make.  Age brings wisdom.)

Those are my assertions; here is my argument.

At "KenPom.com" Ken Pomeroy tracks the experience level (not age) of the players who actually get floor time across the whole of Division 1 basketball.  Out of the 344 teams tracked, 262 Division 1 schools play an older, more experienced team than UK does. 

Let me put that another way: three-fourths of the country plays a more experienced roster than we do.  That goes way beyond "just no seniors".

In fact, that experience differential is clearly one of the main reasons the SEC is "down" this year.  Tennessee and Florida both play rosters that are even less experienced than Kentucky's, and the seven youngest teams in the country include Vanderbilt (338), Arkansas (340), and at 344th and DEAD LAST in the country in experience is Mississippi.

That means six of the SEC's teams, and its four most venerable basketball programs (UK, UT, UF, and Ark.) are in the bottom quartile in the country in the field of experience.

The most experienced team in the SEC?  That would be LSU, which, as we all know, happens to have finished at the very top of the conference heap. 

Sure, there are many variables that affect success, coaching prowess and talent being two important ones, but the bottom line is that this year the most experienced team won the conference by a mile, and the conference bottom-feeder (Arkansas) was 340th in the country in that same category.  The correlation is more than incidental.

Georgia is a bit of an anomaly, but experience is also why Georgia, the second oldest team in the conference, has been able to weather the coaching storm and salvage some pride in the last part of the season by beating Kentucky, Florida, and Vanderbilt.

From a conference perspective, it is interesting to note that no SEC team is in the top 20 in the country in terms of experience (LSU is 22nd in experience).  Should we be surprised that no SEC team besides LSU is regarded as Top 20 material?

Experience matters. 

Good planning in recruiting can alleviate some of these experience gaps, but in an era of the easy transfer, the NBA defection, and the coaching migration, there are times when you just have to say, "We're just really young right now," and be patient.  This is one of those times.

Stop fretting and looking for scapegoats, BBN.  Better days are coming for our school and our conference.

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Yes But I Submit TALENT LEVEL Is Even More Important

Youth or inexperience (not the same thing) ALONE does not determine the outcome.

The 1968 Wildcats were very youthful, and VERY GOOD too. Likewise 1973 Cats. Young AND good.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 11, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

AND Frosh / Sophs Played 3315 Minutes (2005 Season)

That’s about 49% of the total PT that season BY FRESHMEN AND SOPHOMORES.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 11, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point Ken

Experience and talent are both important and one of those much debated questions, especially around tournament time, is “Would you rather have experience or talent” with most people taking the lame way out – “I want experienced talent.”

It’s tough to know exactly how important a role experience plays. Notre Dame and Providence are two teams that have both experience (6th and 4th respectively) and talent (Providence has four 1000 pt scorers on its team), but both have struggled this season. Of course, you also have teams like Marquette, Utah, and LSU that are experienced and pretty good.

On the other end of the spectrum are teams like Kansas and Butler that are young and talented and had good seasons, but you also have a team like Georgetown that has a lot of talent but is young and had a season that was even more disappointing than UK’s.

I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra

by JLeverenz on Mar 11, 2009 3:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

EXCUSES!!!!!

This is another EXCUSE filled reason that we are having a bad season or should I say had a bad season! Billy isn,t the right man for the job. Youth and inexperience is and can be a crutch, that weak people depend on! North Carolina should have beat us and I will even concede to the Miami loss, but Louisville wasn’t acceptible when Porter was in a 3 point stance leaving Sosa wide open to take the easiest shot in basketball besides a layup! No this team was mis-managed and unprepared! I know we would have lost maby one or two games to Florida or S. Carolina during SEC play, but this season was a joke! Tell me how does Perry come into this season averaging a double double when Patterson went out, to barely making the stats column with Patterson inthe line up? Meeks, Liggons, Miller, and Galloway need space and oppurtunity to run up the court and create offense Billy didn’t and doesn’t mold the playbook around the talent instead of the other way around! Porter can’t keep anyone infront of him so why is he starting when your defense is man-to-man? I hope next year is better and the talking too he’s going to get from Mitch really sink in! But this guy is arrogant and a real basketball fiend and thats his worse attribute cause he thinks he is too smart and if its not working its the players fault instead of thinking that maby the plan is actully flawwed to begin with! He will get at least 1 more year to make it right, and he should!!! But don’t go getting all “WELFAREISH” and start offering up all these ignorant EXCUSES of why this year went down the “TOILET!”

by Wildcat-4life on Mar 11, 2009 5:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow.

Nice rant.

The Louisvlle shot was from about 28 feet. I play basketball all the time, and a jumper from 28 feet is not only not the easiest shot in basketball, it was taken by a guy who was shooting about 20% from 20 feet at the time.

You are entitled to your opinion about Gillispie, but the shot by Sosa was more luck than skill. He could shoot that shot ten times and not make 2.

Oh, one more thing — Youth is a big factor. Ken made a defensible argument.

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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 11, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nice post, Ken

You nailed it. That is hands down the biggest problem facing this team… not only the lack of experience, but the lack of experience with each other. The vast majority of the team (sans the starting 5) really have never played together before… or have even worn UK blue until this year. I disagree with 40’s assessment on talent. Talent is definitely important, but chemistry and experience are even more so. I think last years NY Yankee line-up is testament that talent alone will not always get the win… However, in the Yankee’s case, I wish it did. Correct me if I am wrong but every year Kentucky has won the national championship, weren’t the Yankees World Series Champions? That is a really horrible trend as I loathe the Yankees every bit as much as I detest Duke… but after learning this, I might have to make some concessions.

I need a Sea of Blue because I am surrounded by Tennessee orange!

by sleepytimetea on Mar 12, 2009 1:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

UK's Most Talented Teams In My Lifetime (Starting With 1951-52)

1954. 1966. 1970. 1975. 1978. 1984. 1986. 1993. 1996. 1997. 1998. 2002. 2003. 2005.

Notice a pattern there? Lots of talent.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 12, 2009 6:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

forty, all of UK's teams are going to be talented

I don’t know how you can just list years and expect me to see a pattern… aside from Championship seasons. All I am saying is a team cannot win on talent alone. Haven’t you seen Hoosiers?

I need a Sea of Blue because I am surrounded by Tennessee orange!

by sleepytimetea on Mar 13, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

John Wooden Disagrees With You

In his book They Call Me Coach he explains why his UCLA teams of the 1950’s weren’t anywhere near as successful as his Bruin teams of the 1960’s and 70’s.

Talent.

No coach can W without talent (he said).

Those teams I listed are the most successful UK teams of my liftime. (Left off 1958 by mistake, sorry) They are also the most TALENTED UK teams I’ve seen in that timeframe.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 13, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok...so those are talented teams...

so are all of our teams. Fortunately for your argument, talent is usually judged at the end of the season and things like chemistry and experience factor in to what is considered talent. It is easy to point to those years and say those were the most talented now, because of their record. Notre Dame and UTenn football recruiting has been in the top 10 forever and look at them. Is that a lack of talent? I hardly think so. It’s a lack of direction, a lack of motivation, a lack of chemistry. It is easy to call the correct formula of all the above mentioned things “talent” in hindsight… but It takes more than just talent to win. I ask you again, have you ever seen Hoosiers?

:)

I need a Sea of Blue because I am surrounded by Tennessee orange!

by sleepytimetea on Mar 15, 2009 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wandering a bit off topic, but...

The Yankees of the late 90’s were also IMMENSELY talented teams.

The recent editions of the Yankees haven’t won a WS because
a) the competition in the AL East is a lot stronger than in the late 90’s,
b) they can’t field a baseball to save their lives, and
c) their starting pitching always gets hurt.

Which, as an A’s fan, is perfectly ok with me!

I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra

by JLeverenz on Mar 12, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Untalented Experience

UK’s principal problem and consequently Coach Gillispies’ daunting dilemma is that his most experienced players are his least talented players, ergo do you play the talent and accept inherent errors of youth, or play the experience with fewer mistakes but physical mismatches. Now you know what he’s keeping to himself.

by Wild Weasel on Mar 12, 2009 10:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not True At All

Meeks is experienced. NOT TALENTED?

Stevenson is experienced. MORE TALENTED than Harrellson.

Porter is experienced. Playing out of position at PG – he should be SG. Somebody tell Gillispie.

Harris is experienced. And talented but not as much as Miller.

Gillispie has only himself to blame for not playing Liggins, Galloway, Harrellson (etc) so they can GAIN experience.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 12, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Most of the growth and teaching take place during the practices, not in games.

It’s a myth that a player can improve only if he is playing five or ten minutes a week at game time. That is such a pervasive myth it astounds me. Every one of these players has had many, many times the hours playing against each other in practice in front of our coaching staff, under which circumstances the play can stop at any time for instruction and growth. This is where the true experience is gained. (Some good does come from being present in “big game”, high pressure situations, but that is not where college coaches do their most educating.)

The idea that Liggins hasn’t improved because BCG hasn’t put him in the game to screw up is ludicrous. With due respect to DeAndre, he hasn’t played more because he has shown in both practices and games that he is not our best option at the moment. Ditto Galloway and Harrellson, although I think reasonable minds can differ as to Harrellson at times.

by Ken Pomeroy on Mar 13, 2009 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Improve In Practice, Sure

But game experience is more valuable.

I haven’t seen Liggins’ improvement (yet).

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 13, 2009 6:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My real question is why Gillispie played the players he already knew had experience, i.e., Porter, Stevenson, Harris, & even, late in games when UK was WELL ahead, PPat & Meeks, during the weak pre-SEC schedule. At a time the ‘raw’ players, Liggins, Galloway, Miller, Harrellson, COULD have gained valuable ’game experience against the Tenn St., Miss Valley St., etc., BCG played his usual lineups the vast majority of minutes. There were several times he had both Jodie & PPat in w/ only a few minutes to play & UK up 15+ points. I think this is why so many in BBN are frustrated @ BCG.

I realize they ‘more talented’ players don’t have the experience, but feel they SHOULD have been given the experience in the weak pre-conference schedule. They weren’t, & that’s a real coaching blunder, IMHO.

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by LexLaw7 on Mar 13, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree.....

….but I also think it could be attitude, as well.

I believe Coach G. will turn the ship, and Kentucky will be hanging banners in Rupp again. Give him another year or two….

by Blue_Tiger on Mar 13, 2009 11:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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