Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: 2012 Africa Cup Of Nations Final

Kentucky Basketball: The Soft Bigotry of High Expectations

Btn_ball_medium

Bet you didn't see that lede coming, did you?

It's funny, you know, thinking about Kentucky basketball and its incredibly rich tradition, fan base, and overall success.  How can such a small state, population-wise, in an area where there is little extraordinary motivation to live (i.e. no beach, highly changeable weather, somewhat backward reputation) somehow find itself so often at the pinnacle of a sport like college basketball?  Well, we all know the answer, of course -- it was mostly because of the genius of one Adolph Rupp, and his ability to get the most from the young men he brought to Kentucky.

But that isn't all, is it?  Not only did Rupp capture four national championships, but he also instilled a winning tradition at Kentucky in basketball, even in the years that UK did not win the championship.  Even in the years when the team was rebuilding.  Even in the years when the NCAA hammer fell on UK for bad behavior.  Somehow, that winning tradition never changed.

Star-divide

What about now?  Kentucky has hit a rough patch in recent years, but by no means a historical one.  UK has had a long absence from the Final Four, but that is only a modest measure of success when it comes right down to it.  Kentucky has never measured success by, "We almost ..."

So now that the current Kentucky team has suddenly been exposed by some careful planning and excellent execution, is it time to panic?  Around here, almost any loss is enough to cause some to call for a new coach, a new AD, or to assure everyone who will listen that UK's current team is so talent-deficient that it is a wonder we win at all.  That's not news, nor is it new -- it has been going on in the Commonwealth since Adolph Rupp's days.

Most readers here won't remember this, but at the end of his tenure, Adolph Rupp was adored by many, even most UK fans.  But a significant minority thought he was past his prime, and made no bones about saying he should retire.  I was a young man at the time, but I recall many conversations with my elders suggesting it was time for Rupp to move on, that he was no longer effective as a coach, that we needed somebody younger and with more energy.  You may think that Rupp's forced retirement would have caused an uproar in Kentucky, but in reality, fans desiring just such an outcome were right in the mainstream of Kentucky basketball thinking.

That happened in 1972, and UK promptly lost 21 games in its next two seasons, more that Rupp lost in his last four seasons combined.  That is eerily reminiscent of today, when we find Billy Gillispie struggling much as Joe Hall did in his first couple of years.  Of course, Hall famously came back in his third year and got all the way to the championship game, losing to UCLA in what would be John Wooden's final hurrah as coach of the UCLA Bruins.

I don't know if Gillispie will get to the final game next year, although if everything breaks his way, he just might.  But what is weighing him, and even the team down a bit right now is the soft bigotry of high expectations.  "What?" you say, "I thought the quote was '... soft bigotry of low expectations.'"  It was, and I have paraphrased it for my own purposes, primarily to illustrate that expectations, while a critical part of the fan experience, can create a fantasy world in which people live in an eternal state of frustration, even anger and outright bigotry.  I'm not talking about racial bigotry here, but the more subtle and insidious kind -- the kind that says if you don't buy in to the conventional wisdom about Kentucky's history, you aren't a fan, or you are some kind of fool to be ostracized or shouted down.  What we fail to realize is the destructive potential of ignoring reality of the now and the evidence of our eyes, and living in the siren's song of past glory.

Kentucky fans have always struggled to manage expectations.  Back in "the day," we used to argue whether or not Coach Hall should have been fired for losing to Alabama, or Vanderbilt.  Trust me, it was very similar then to what it is now.  The big difference was, our opinions were pretty much limited to the people we knew -- that is, unless we happened to be a TV, radio or newspaper sports journalist.  Of course, you never got that kind of vitriol from them -- they valued their job too much to throw it all away by expressing their opinion without regard for the damage it might do.

Not so today.  Today, our opinions may be read by millions of people on the Internet, or seen on YouTube like the famous Katman2000 video repeating "Tubby sucks" over and over again in a sing-song fashion.  We need have no fear of losing our job, or even losing credibility -- most of us hide behind a wall of anonymity that is an Internet tradition, but also responsible for emboldening people to say things that they might not say in front of, for example, the coach himself or the university president.  Its easy to imagine someone doing that with a roomful of friends, but back in "the day," seeing something like Katman2000's video broadcast to millions was unthinkable.  What a difference three decades makes.

The thing is, expectations were no lower way back then than they are now, but the level of exposure of the consequences was infinitely less.  The soft bigotry of high expectations has been a Kentucky trademark since as long as I have been in the Commonwealth, and I assume, much longer than that.  What do I mean by "soft bigotry?"  Just what the word means -- stubborn and complete intolerance for a creed, belief or opinion that differs from one's own.  It doesn't mean racism, necessarily, although that is surely a subset.  It can be equally applied to those who believe in a coach, or don't believe in a coach, or player, or ... whatever, to the complete exclusion and rejection of the opinions of others who might not agree, or in direct contradiction of the facts.

Mostly, it is our expectations of near-perfection that generate these hard and intolerant opinions, and it is the intolerance for others holding contrary opinions that leads to much of the strife we have seen before, and are beginning to see now.  Instead of discussing the team with each other, fans simply talk at each other, not really caring what opinion is expressed if it differs from their rigid holding and only stopping to agree with those who hold a similar position, creating a closed, endless feedback loop. 

Of course, this sort of behavior is by no means limited to UK fans.  Fans of other teams, both amateur and professional, do exactly the same thing.  It is the size and loyalty of Kentucky's fans that tend to make the Big Blue Nation look a little less sane than others.  In reality, it just boils down to exposure -- and numbers.

Many will tell you that high expectations are what allows the fans to hold the Coach and Athletic Director accountable for the success of the team, and that is certainly true.  But it is one thing to insist on good basketball, but quite another to let oneself get carried away on a perception of lost athletic glory and past success.  The former will listen to reason -- the latter cannot, for that person has abandoned reality for an ideal of their own choosing, one that almost never reflects present reality.

So should we lower our expectations?  By no means.  High expectations are part of what makes UK fans, or for that matter, any other fan base great.  But neither should we let our expectations, and thus our passions, rule us, or crowd out our reason.  Never should we let our disappointment, when those expectations don't become reality, provide the motivation to disrespect our fellow fans who hold different opinions, or engage in behavior that is designed to destroy or run down the object of our frustration.  That way leads to bigotry, intolerance, vindictiveness, and strife.

In the end, controlling our passion is the biggest key to avoiding sports bigotry and its destructive effects.  A great fanbase cannot exist in a climate of desperation, invective, ad hominem and midless anger toward the easist target out there.  And we all know who that is.

Comment 47 comments  |  4 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

FWIW My 3 Favorite Teams (Purdue, UK, Cincy) Have Recently Changed HC's

Gene Keady was “past his prime” in the early 2K’s and was replaced (with his input) by Matt Painter. Coach Keady was the best Purdue coach in 40 years since “Piggie” Lambert (in a way, similar to Pitino vis-a-vis Rupp). He was tough to replace but Painter has done well.

After a terrible 1st year (following a terrible last year by Keady), Painter has excelled the past 3 seasons with Purdue back among the Top 3 in the Big 10. Painter today is like Keady in his early years at Purdue. He was tremendous hire by my friend and former classmate, AD Morgan Burke.

Bob Huggins had “run his course” at UC in 2005 and was replaced by Andy Kennedy (interim) then Mick Cronin. Neither has matched Huggs’ success on the court but Andy K landed a nice gig at Ole Miss and Cronin has improved his UC teams each year.

In his 3rd year, he has an eye on an NCAA bid and 20 W (and defeated Huggins’ WVU teams twice) but he has still not won 76% of his UC games like Huggins’ teams did. He will, given time.

Finally, UK. Tubby moved on to Minnesota. Those of us who liked him, couldn’t be happier (for him). Those who didn’t like them, also couldn’t be happier (that UK has a new coach).

Gillispie has clearly struggled for a variety of reasons. But 2 years is nowhere near enough time. Painter was so-so (31-31) his first 2 years. Cronin was not-not (24-38) his first 2 years. Gillispie is 37-22 (so far). Decent, not great – especially by UK standards.

The biggest adjustment as UK coach is NOT the W or L, SEC or NCAA games. It is the OVERWHELMING nature of UK fanbase. Even Pitino took a while to adjust to it. No one can know what it’s like until they experience it.

I don’t know much but 2 years is simply NOT ENOUGH TIME to make a judgement, either way. He deserves at least 5 years.

UK standards are tough. Win 3 of 4 games MINIMUM, 4 of 5 to be Rupp or Pitino. Win 7 of 10 NCAA games, more to be Rupp or Pitino. Win SEC titles and SECT championships 1/2 the time, more to be Rupp. Win NCAA title every 10 years. Sound easy? It’s not.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 1, 2009 6:45 PM EST reply actions  

I agree wholeheartedly with you, 40

and this is a great and very relevant post, Tru.

I need a Sea of Blue because I am surrounded by Tennessee orange!

by sleepytimetea on Mar 1, 2009 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

5 may be more than enough

A dismissal after 2 years based on W-L is unfair to the coach and harmful to the reputation of the university (and us fans). It would hurt us in the short and long run. The same thing could be said after 3 years. But by the end of the 4th year, I think you know what you’ve got (and what you don’t have).

Football coaches with a dearth of talent should have longer because of the number of players and positions involved: 11 O, 11 D, 2 kickers. It takes longer to rebuild. But a basketball coach can make changes more quickly with 2-3 solid recruits each year for 3 years in a row.

by Fortunatus on Mar 2, 2009 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Good read

always to get a historical perspective on things. It is good to have high expectations and Kentucky should. Every time I watch a game at Rupp on TV I see the “43 SEC Titles” banner and the NCAA Championship years.

I am a little surprised by how much Gillispie has struggled. He did wonders at Texas A&M which was a dump of a bball program before.

It is just so hard to stay on top in college bball these days with all the early entries. Look at Duke, they are not near where they were 5-7 years ago. UNC has managed to do it recently but before Williams they struggled. UCLA too under Lavin.

Billy has to recruit better though to get UK back to Final 4’s again.

The ACC & SEC Blog
http://accsecblogspot.com

by accsecblog on Mar 1, 2009 7:10 PM EST reply actions  

TAMU

His best year was his 3rd season there.

FF appearances are a combination of recruiting and coaching plus luck. No other explanation for George Mason getting there (FF) recently.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 1, 2009 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Excellent read

Articulate and persuasive as well.

by sprink on Mar 1, 2009 7:12 PM EST reply actions  

Lovely.

I’m not sure if this feature piece has been in the works for some time now or not, but it’s quite obvious that a lot of time and thought went into writing this piece and the timing couldn’t be better, well done.

Gosh, it just makes me want to be a better fan, you know? This piece is a nice reminder that we as fans all want the same thing when it comes to the team we love so dearly — for them to do us proud and succeed. Here’s to handling the frustration better and here’s to you, Tru, for this most excellent piece. : )

by BigSkyCat on Mar 1, 2009 7:18 PM EST reply actions  

I Sent An E-Mail To A Friend Who Coaches In B12 And Knows Him

I mentioned that some (fans) are calling for him to be fired.

His reply, and I quote “Already????”

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 1, 2009 7:39 PM EST reply actions  

Fantastic post

Tru you hit a home run with that post , Great analysis

by sgray62 on Mar 1, 2009 7:42 PM EST reply actions  

Nice Tru

When BG was hired, I was very happy with the choice, but admit I didn’t know much about him except for his success at his previous two schools. We were told what a great and tireless recruiter he was. Listening about his love of the game and seeing his energy I figured it would take three years for him to get us to the level where we might get to a final eight and if things fell right, who knows. And certainly we would continue to get better and he would win a NCAA Title. I was and still am confident that he can win a lot of games here. But I am not sure, we fans have the tolerance for his personality and what I perceive and others see as stubbornness. I would not at all be surprised that we do not see the same group of players on the court for the next game that played most of the second half against LSU. Just like Galloway seeing 3 minutes after his Florida game. Yes, the coach is the easiest to bash. It would not matter who our coach is, they are going to have people bash them. But loosing to so many inferior teams IS NOT TOLERATED at UK. If PP and Meeks come back next year and we lose to crappy teams again, then I will raise cane and rightly so. Until then I am going to stay calm. I really am. I can’t believe BG will give up his chance to stay and win here that easy. But if he, in my opinion relies on Porter or Liggins next year to run the point, I just don’t see how he survives. We will continue to turn the ball over and we will not have good execution. Liggins certainly has potential but I see him a couple of years away for us to compete with the best. Did Jai Lucas screw up or not by signing with Florida over UK? I know he isn’t perfect but I wish we had him now.

by Grasslands1 on Mar 1, 2009 7:56 PM EST reply actions  

Recruiting Is Hit & Miss

The best UK recruiter ever is Joe Hall, hands down. No one comes close.

His first 2 years as HC at UK, he missed on every major target. He signed 9 players but only 1 of them had a UK caliber career (Larry Johnson). And 5 of those 9 ultimately transferred from UK.

Ditto Gillispie or even Pitino for that matter. HIS first 2 years as HC at UK, he signed 8 players but only 2 had UK caliber careers (Mashburn, Ford). Some of the others were decent role players.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 1, 2009 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Great perspective

I first remember UK basketball when Joe B. was the coach. In fact, some of my earliest memories were of people bashing him, his style of play, his strained relationship with some of the players, the ’78 team “without joy” or whatever it was…Yeah, we have seen all of this before, have weathered the storms, have reloaded, and have taken our “rightfuld” place back on top again! This too shall pass.

by cpacat on Mar 1, 2009 9:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Sutton Was UK Coach When Ford Was HS Senior

He signed with Missouri in Nov 88. UK hadn’t offered him because Sean Woods and Sean Sutton had been signed the 2 prior years.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 2, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Expectations

They are certainly high around here and there is nothing wrong with that. Expectations usually breed a higher commitment to winning and creates a culture of winning. However, there are those whose expectations are too high for anyone to ever achieve anywhere. My expectations are not that UK has to go to the Final Four every year or always be in the Top 5. I do think that UK should be a perenially ranked team 99% of the time and make the Final Four at least twice in a decade. For a program the quality of UK that isn’t unreasonable IMO. With early entries, injuries and some players not panning out, I can take it if UK falls out of the rankings from time to time. The one expectation I have that I think is essential is that UK make the NCAA tournament every season. The tournament takes 34 at-large bids every season and if UK does not get an automatic bid then I believe there is no excuse for them not being one of the top 34 teams in the country. I don’t care if UK didn’t make the tournament a few times in the 1970’s because that is 30 years ago and has no bearing today. So those are my expectations of the University of Kentucky basketball program.

Slower Traffic Keep Right!

by SevenRings on Mar 1, 2009 8:34 PM EST reply actions  

First Poll Was In 1949

And UK teams have been NR (in the final polls) about 20% of the time over those 60 years. 99% is unrealistic for anyone.

FF 2x per decade is the UK average since 1939. Only UCLA and UNC have a higher average.

UK has never made the NCAA tournament every season, rather 49 times in the 60 years of the NCAA tourney. Again that’s 80% of the time. No one has a higher % of NCAA appearances than UK does.

No team – not Duke, UNC, UCLA, or Kansas – makes the NCAA every year.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 1, 2009 8:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Every Single Year

Short of major injuries, major defections, probation or any other unforseen calalmity UK and those other programs you mentioned should make the tourney every year in this day and age. All of them are too good not to be one of the 34 best teams in the nation every season.

Slower Traffic Keep Right!

by SevenRings on Mar 1, 2009 8:48 PM EST up reply actions  

They Don't

Make it EVERY year.

Most years, sure.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 1, 2009 8:53 PM EST up reply actions  

anyone else see the irony in these two debating and their screen names?

have to go with 40 on this one. given all of 40’s posts over the past several weeks, i find his position a bit surprising, but welcome.

to me 40 years of fandom is a more appropriate focus than on 7 NCs. that being said, i am as anxious as anyone to hang number 8…..

I do not believe 40 (or Tru, or kygirl, or me) is in any way lowering his (our) expectations but is framing his high expectations in a realistic way….he has been clear on his feelings of BCG vs prior coaches so for him to even broach the subject of being a bit more patient carries a lot of weight with me.

by memphis wildcat on Mar 1, 2009 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

The expectation is right on

The question is what do you do about it when a coach/team fails say 2 years in a row? Fire him?

by Fortunatus on Mar 2, 2009 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Standing Ovation

GREAT post, Tru!

I believe in Billy G.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 1, 2009 9:20 PM EST reply actions  

I'll second that

Clap, clap, clap and a big Hurrah!

by kykat51 on Mar 2, 2009 4:05 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm consistently amazed...

…that Tru has such a proper perspective. Wisdom is truly faithful friend.

by Clandestine on Mar 1, 2009 9:23 PM EST reply actions  

Good

post tru! I think you are so right on many counts. I hope I make sense in what I am about to say but I feel that too many people rely on these kids to give them a “high”. Pride can make you feel so good and provide that high that many seek. When it doesn’t go their way…….they lash out.

I could be totally wrong on this, but I just feel that there are some issues on this team that we don’t know about. I have noticed at least three of four games that Michael Porter has had Meeks wide open and won’t pass to him. Porter is not that dense. Maybe its nothing but I feel that some issues are going on. Billy has a responsibility to these kids but ultimately its up to them. What is the saying “you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink it”.

Kentucky fans at least some of them need to stop relying on kids to give them that “high” that they so need. Find another hobby. You can still love your Cats and be all upset after a loss but if you are still upset to the point of throwing things 24 hours later then you put to much stock in 18-22 year olds. I could be totally off base here but its just a thought.

by tenken on Mar 1, 2009 9:58 PM EST reply actions  

Great Post

I loved this post. ALL those who visit this site need to take tru’s post to heart. I will keep saying it, we fans need to be patient!!!!! These are just kids and Coach has been here less than 2 years. Trust me “the grass is not always greener on the other side.” Be patient and have perspective. Also, no team wins a championship at any leve without luck, I don’t care how great of talen or coach you have. Again look at several schools, such as Texas and UCLA have all underachieved this year. And Duke, they have had early exits the past few years. A great time in the regular season, but no so in the tournament. They have struggled at times this year too. No team stays on top all time in this era of b-ball due to players leaving early.

Great post again Tru.

Lane

by Laird on Mar 1, 2009 11:49 PM EST reply actions  

Wonderful post Tru!

Thanks for stepping in with another needed dose of rationale. It truly is appropriate that fan is short for fanatic. I found the definition of fanatic quite interesting: marked by excessive enthusiasm and often intense uncritical devotion. Had to notice the word uncritical, although I think it’s unrealistic to expect a truly zealous fan to be totally uncritical.

We also have to remember that the face of college basketball has change tremendously in the years since Rupp, Hall, and even Pitino. And as Tru touched on, this day and age of technology has changed the face of how we communicate as well as allowed a much greater exposure of “opinions”, good and bad.

Instant gratification does not exist in the competitive world of college bball. It takes a serious amount of blood, sweat, and tears to rebuild on an existing tradition. Ironic the existing tradition leads to such impatience. Maybe we just need to temper our expectations over time.

Thanks again for the post Tru. Very exceptional!!!

by slidemank on Mar 2, 2009 12:00 AM EST reply actions  

Great Expectations should be saved for Great Teams

Finally a little dose of reality. Tru, that was one of the best pieces I have read on any UK blog this basketball season. After the VMI loss, I believe most fans had a feeling this team would struggle this year. However I believe some fans thought about that fact, but then tucked that thought away after this team won the Las Vegas Invitational. Inconsistent teams yield inconsistent results. And this team is very inconsistent. How else do you explain losing to VMI, at Ole Miss (without 3 contributing players), but yet sweeping Tenn and winning the Las Vegas Invitational?

We should always expect good things from the UK basketball program, but we should save our greatest expectations for truly great teams. And this current UK team is not a great team. They are good, but not great.

by Sharpera on Mar 2, 2009 7:24 AM EST reply actions  

Does anyone remember UNC's down years?

There is a team very similar to ours. They lost a legend of a coach and were struggling to replace him. In their down years (with MUCH better talent), not only did they not make the tourney, they had horrible records (single-digit wins). Yeah, they came back quickly, but so can, and will, UK. UNC fans were rabid, and we acted like it could never happen to us. It has, and if this is our low cycle, and we are still making the tourny regularly(fingers crossed) then we should be nothing but happy. No team, none, can sustain excellence in this day and age over such a long span. Have pride in your team guys, and faith. We’ll be back soon enough and be laughing at these days.

Great post Tru!

by JRod1229 on Mar 2, 2009 8:35 AM EST reply actions  

Using UNC is not the best of examples.

After Dean Smith left, Bill Guthridge became head coach and took the team to a final four before retiring. Matt Doherty was brought in as Guthridge did not like to recruit and the team needed talent to compete. Doherty brought in the talent (May, Felton, etc.) but had two bad seasons and player/coach relationship problems and was fired. Roy Williams was then hired, and UNC has been a top 15 team and ACC contender every year since.

No, UNC is not a good example to use and if are arguing for more time for BCG. I think BCG should get another year, mind you, but their is definately precedent for ending his tenure.

by wklawdog on Mar 2, 2009 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Regarding high expectations

While I think that your article raises some very valid points Tru, I don’t think that I can buy into completely. I find no problem with the “bigotry of high expectations”. I have a problem with completely unrealistic expectations as they display a lack of knowlege/intelligence. Your post, seems to be more of an attack on those who would complain about their expectations not being met (either unrealistic or not) and the way that they make those complaints known.

The question that must be asked when looking at high expectations, is whether or not the expectation is realistic or not. Now, this examination, for UK’s part is two fold. Are the expectations of BCG realistic and are the expectations for UK, on the whole, unrealistic?

On the subject of BCG, one needs to look at the situation that he came into. If one believes that he came to a team with a severe talent deficiency (as many on this site have opined) then to expect him to coach those players to a higher level than Tubby (one of the games best strategists and bench coaches) is unrealistic. If the expectation is that the players he inherited should show improvement with seasoning and experience and that the new players brought in should show a higher level of talent (after all, BCG’s reputation was put out as a great recruiter) then that expectation is not unrealistic at all. Personally, I take the later position and am disappointed at the lack of player development but encouraged by the recruiting.

The expectation issue for UK as a whole is completely different. If one thinks that UK should be win the SEC every year and make the final four every year, then that person is unrealistic. If, however, the fan believes that UK should be in a position where, with a little luck, UK can challenge for the SEC every year and be a player on the national stage that other schools must reckon with, then I would argue that this is not too much to expect from the school.

It has been argued on this site, and others, that a coach deserves five years to get his program going. I would argue that this view falls under the category of “low expectations”. Is this fair, perhaps not, but when the coach of UK is being paid more than fifty times this state’s median salary, it is to be expected. There are too many instances of a coach turning around a program, (most in much worse shape than UK was) in less than five years, to expect that a school which devotes the resources to basketball that UK does will be that patient.

I know the arguments regarding the five year period and have heard the analogies, expecially with our own football program. However, using our own football program as our example, how many of you would be willing to accept a record similiar to the first two seasons that Rich Brooks had for the basketball team, and he inherited a much worse situtation (UNC was not with Matt Doherty). Coach Brooks being able to survive those first years is a great example of being somewhere with lowered expectations.

BCG came to coach the Kentucky Basketball team, which is completely different than its football counterpart. In fact, BCG is somewhat a victim of his own accomplishments. He was hired after effecting great turnarounds at two different schools (that had low expectations) in less than five years both times. He came to UK, knowing what the expectations are – win or leave, and accepted the job. As I said earlier, the expectation may not be fair, but it is not unjustified when looking at the turnarounds experienced by other high profile programs that were accomplished in less than five years (UCLA under Howland and UNC with Williams, or, for that matter, Pitino at both UK and Louisville).

Personally, I am willing to stick with BCG even though he was not my first or second choice (and no I was not one of the masses calling for Donovan or one of Kentucky’s former players either). I like some of the things that I have seen of him and am troubled by some others. Many things I just don’t understand, but I would not expect to since I am in a completely different field of work. However, I do know this, when one takes a job performance is expected, and the level of performance is usually dependant on the level of pay. Hence if you are being paid on the level of the best performers, you must produce at the level of the top performers. Grace periods don’t last long in the business world.

by wklawdog on Mar 2, 2009 11:03 AM EST reply actions  

High Expectations RIGHT AWAY Is The Problem

When you hire a coach – ANY coach – in Div I basketball, you have to plan on at least 4 years for him to get his recruits and style of play in place. And I prefer 5 years, minimum.

It took Donovan a few years to do that at Florida, even though Lon Kruger had the Gators in FF a few years earlier.

It took Coach K a few years to do that at Duke, even though Bill Foster had the Blue Devils in NC game a few years earlier.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 2, 2009 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Very fair points.

I really don’t per se disagree with anything you wrote. I have never been an advocate of a five-year “guarantee” (I know you didn’t use that word, but I am for the sake of simplicity). My position has always been that a basketball coach deserves four years. That way, he has a chance to get an entire class of his players in, and fully implement his system and develop some upperclassmen.

If Gillilspie cannot produce after four years, I will be agitating for his dismissal. You are exactly right when you say that when you pay a lot for a coach, or any employee, performance is expected. Coaching is not the same as the business world, and there are other differences as well when you talk about the cream of the crop of basketball programs. But there are other difficulties that must be addressed, and if you are perceived in the business world of being unable to commit to a CEO long enough for him to implement his strategy, top talent will stop knocking on your door when the job comes open. The same is essentially true of Kentucky basketball.

In the end, I think expecting too much in the first two years is a stretch, especially given two major reasons:

1. There was no junior class, unless you count Jared Carter. That created a leadership vacuum in his second year that simply has not been filled.

2. It takes more than two years to “get in” with recruits. Nowadays, recruiting is a multi-year relationship building process. That’s why we see a patchwork this year of JUCO’s and normal recruits.

If Gillispie fails to deliver a quality performance next year, he will certainly be on the hot seat and should be. Hopefully, he will be given one final year to deliver, but after that, it will be time to replace him. Four years represents a complete generation of basketball players. That’s enough time. If he can’t do it by then, we should free him up for other opportunities, and I’ll be leading that charge.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Mar 2, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

We're Assuming Wrong

Point well taken about Rupp and Hall. One thing we’re assuming in saying that Gillispie can take this team to the finals in year 3: That he can coach like either of those guys. I bet even though they didn’t win it all in year 1 and 2 they coached more than, “Play harder” and “Be tougher.” Maybe I should coach UK, I can say, “score more points than the other team.”

by crewcat on Mar 2, 2009 4:13 PM EST reply actions  

I'm not assuming anything.

I’m just like everyone else. Hoping for the best.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Mar 2, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Hoping with you

I know. Didn’t mean to sound harsh toward you. I hope with you. I just want us to cut our losses and move the program forward. The answer isn’t better players. We’ve got 2 of the best players in the country. We can’t get Pitino or Tubby back but we can still get a good coach even though our image is now tarnished as below the big boys (Duke, UNC, Kansas)

by crewcat on Mar 2, 2009 4:25 PM EST reply actions  

I don't think it's tarnished. Not really.

One good year and I think we’ll be fine. Hopefully, with two studs coming in next year and (pray) Patterson and Meeks back, we’ll be able to have a season that we can all be at least somewhat proud of.

I hope.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Mar 2, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I still support Gillispie, and think booting him would be a bad idea.

However, I think the chatter at the end of next season depends utterly on whether Meeks and Patterson stay. If they return and we have no major defections from the new guys (i.e., Miller, Liggins, and Galloway all stay), then Gillispie will have to put on a good show next season. That’s just a really talented team, and if he can’t make things pop it will be pretty compelling evidence that it’s his coaching abilities that are questionable.

If Patterson and/or Meeks leave, Gillispie will have to be given another year, even if we collapse again. We would be relying on a team of primarily sophomores and freshmen, with absolutely no proven leaders.

FWIW, I think in either case he should, and likely will, get 4 total seasons before he’s in any real danger, if for no other reason than fear of losing recruits like Dominique Ferguson.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on Mar 2, 2009 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah.

There is also the intermediate possibility of losing Paterson and returning Meeks. But then, we would have senior leadership and some very talented players and a good number of upperclassmen. I would expect a damn fine season with that lineup, assuming everyone is healthy, and a high NCAA seed. The following year may be a bit more challenging, but I’m worried more about getting it done next year.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Mar 2, 2009 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Peevish Exclamations

I’ve read Tru’s piece — I compliment the clever turn of a phrase — multiple times and for whatever reason, perhaps my own purblind nature, I have difficulty in discerning the principal point. It’s certainly not the defense of low expectations. Nor is it the denigration of high expectations. It could be an admonishment of unrealistic expectations but then that brings the quest of defining unrealistic or, for that matter, realistic. Here’s one I favor: people who ask you to be realistic generally want you to accept their definition of reality. To demonstrate I would aver that my expectation for UK is to be considered a nationally recognized candidate for The Final Four every year. Will I be disappointed if it doesn’t happen? Of course, but not to the point of prolonged depression or undiminished anger. And what about this word, bigotry? Can’t say that I’m bigoted against any person or even idea, but I do admit to holding incompetence, especially incompetence engendered by indolence, in disfavor — which, I might add, can result from or lead to low expectations. Anyway, to Tru’s point, I think I may have found it and it’s expressed rather well by Samuel Johnson:

"It is generally known, that he who expects much will be often disappointed; yet disappointment seldom cures us of expectation, or has any effect other than that of producing a moral sentence or peevish exclamation"

In other words we’re welcome to our own expectations but make an effort to not put them in evaluative/moral terms of “i’m right, you’re wrong”, and without resorting to peevish exclamations, such as, “You’re an idiot!”.

Is this a great site or what?

by Wild Weasel on Mar 2, 2009 10:46 PM EST reply actions  

Well ...

… the point, theoretically, was to look at how high expectations lead to intolerance and calcified opinions, and the damage that can lead to. Bigotry was just my choice of a synonym for intolerance — it fit nicely into my rhetoric.

So essentially, I was bemoaning the fact that we see so many people intolerant of the opinions of others. In another thread, I was accused of hypocrisy on this point, but I don’t believe it is wrong to be intolerant of patently unethical opinions. Opining that the coach ought to be fired is not unethical. Misguided, maybe, but certainly not unethical.

Expectations and disappointment are absolutely part and parcel of the fan experience, and without them, I daresay that there would be no fans at all. How we handle that disappointment is what delineates the nature of our fandom — will we become a bigot and rigidly enforce our disappointment (or even elation) on everyone else, or will we embrace the diversity of opinion and try to persuade others, rather than reject them?

Hope that helps.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Mar 3, 2009 6:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks to all ...

… who commented on this piece. I appreciate the kind words.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Mar 3, 2009 6:33 AM EST reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

An exciting community-driven SBNation blog, by and for fans of the Kentucky Wildcats.

Community Guidelines
[UPDATED 01/18/2012]

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Louisvillelove_small
A death in the UK family

Recent FanPosts

323_small
UK Basketball: Kentucky Is In The Zone, Defense That Is
Emberlogo_sized_small
Anticipation Open Thread
Mostdiggity_small
Somethin' Strange: Zone-Busters or Carolina Fail?
Small
GOG 2011-12 #15: Vanderbilt
Small
DDMO A Figment Of Imagination?
Small
Derek Willis Interview with FOH
Small
Great article on Cats
323_small
Tempering Great Expectations: Do We Need Coaching From Calipari?
Small
Frustrated Fan!!
304labjbkcsj8uopp4ej_small
Just want to share what Hoosier fans seem to think of The Big Blue Nation

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

Twitter Widget -- Follow me!


Managing Editor

Tru_small Glenn Logan

Editor

Wildcat_small BigSkyCat

Fl_family_photo_small Ken Howlett

Author

Small JLeverenz

Justified-olyphant_small jc25

Bluepaws_small a2d2

Img_0019_small Alex Scutchfield