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LSU 73, Kentucky 70:  Postmortem

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Another day, another frustrating loss for Kentucky.  I said this was the biggest game of the year for the 'Cats, and it was.  It was a great college basketball game by both teams, incredible intensity and tenacious defense -- the kind of game you expect to see at the end of February, but not the kind of results the Cats have historically expected.

Congratulations to the LSU Tigers.  They were the best team today -- barely.  But the stat that counts the most is the final score, and when you are on the long end of that at Rupp Arena, you have a lot to be proud of.  LSU's maturity was very much evident in today's game, and it wound up being the edge they needed to pull out a hard fought win.  Well done, Tigers, and congrats to all the LSU fans out there.  Your team did you proud.

Star-divide

For Kentucky, this was a big improvement from the South Carolina game in every way but the one that matters most -- the final score.  This was also a tale of two halves -- a first half which looked very much like the Kentucky we have seen all to often lately, and the second half, which was a Jodie Meeks three or a challenged Marcus Thornton three and missed free throw away from a  big win.  You hate to lose games after getting a decent lead, but LSU is such a mature and experienced team that they have no quit or panic in them, and that was all they needed to fight back for a victory.

Some observations:

  • I predicted that Garrett Temple could not guard Meeks.  I was both right and wrong.  For about 20 minutes, he gave Meeks fits, but then Jodie used his quickness to put Temple in foul trouble, limiting him to only 25 minutes.  Meeks was a missed free throw away from his average.
  • I was also concerned about Thornton, and that proved to be right.  But I was wrong about him also.  He did not do all his damage from the perimeter, as I have seen most times this year.  In the end, he took UK to the hole and did a ton of damage.
  • Tasmin Mitchell was simply all-world.  He was almost singularly responsible for defeating the cats.  21 points and 8 rebounds.
  • The adjustment Gillispie made at half was to go with Galloway at the point guard, and it paid off in spades.  I have been very critical of Porter starting and playing all these minutes, and I wonder if Gillispie hasn't finally just gotten fed up with the limitations Porter has.  I have never seen Porter look more tentative, and he managed one assist and two turnovers in only seventeen minutes.
  • Patrick Patterson was back to his old self, and got the job done.  He did everything he possibly could.
  • Perry Stevenson once again disappeared after the first half.  I can't explain it.  He played reasonably well in the first half, and then simply vanished like Frodo putting on the Ring of Power.  I have no idea what's happening there.
  • Darius Miller once again came up huge on both sides of the ball.  Watching his confidence and ability grow is just a wonderful thing for this aging Kentucky fan.  I just love what he is doing.
  • DeAndre Liggins did not play much today, because he got lazy defensively.  End of story.
  • Josh Harrelson gave us some help, but vanished after four minutes and never got back in the game.
  • I think Gillispie just stuck with the lineup in the second half because it was playing so well, but he really should have gotten them more rest.  I don't get the lack of substitution that seems to be a Gillispie hallmark in the second half of games.  But, at least I saw something new and different that actually worked, and it gives me hope.
  • Gillispie's game plan was the same one as it has been all year.  The problem is, when Meeks or Patterson aren't 100%, it just doesn't work.  I suppose there is just not much to be done about it.  We either win or lose with Meeks and Patterson.
  • Ramon Harris just didn't have much of an impact, except for one huge rebound and stick-back.  But other than that, he was not a factor at all.
  • Bo Spencer killed us in the first half, but we contained him for the most part in the second half.
  • Great job by Kevin Galloway.  He brought energy and defense and really was the difference in the second half.  I am excited that he is finally emerging as a player on this team, and he was a big factor in this game, even though his stat line isn't very impressive with only 3 points, 2 assists and one rebound.
  • We shot 54% for the game.  And lost.  Seems impossible, doesn't it?  But only 69% from the line, which turned out to be the difference.
  • A.J. Stewart blew an assignment in the end that resulted in an open look for Mitchell.  Mitchell made it.  Ouch.

This was a tough loss, and I am bitterly disappointed.  But that disappointment is tempered with the hope that Gillispie may finally be learning and changing his maddening ways in a manner that may give us a chance to win some games at the end of the season.

As I said in my last postmortem, I have no real hopes for this season.  They basically breathed their last breath with the embarrassing loss to South Carolina.  But we all knew this team would have some difficulties coming in, and assuming Patterson and Meeks stay around another year, help is on the way.  I know it seems kind of weak to already be looking toward next year with so much of this season left, but I have come to the realization that we just aren't a particularly good team this year, and we just don't have enough offense to do much damage in the post season.  As the JAG prosecutor played by Kevin Bacon said in A Few Good Men, "Those are the facts ... and they are undisputed."

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good job tru

i have been a big proponent of trying to remain calm and patient and even somewhat supportive of porter and stevenson starting. however, the cbs announcer said that if you have been waiting 29 games for stevenson to show up (after he filled in fairly well for injured patterson at end of last year) well, that speaks for itself.

therefore, if BCG keeps playing his games and galloway does not see time vs uga and uf, i will be tempted to begin to get discouraged.

seems to me meeks, pp, miller, galloway, harris (yes harris) was the best line up.

still think we have a shot if we can win 3 or 4 (uga, uf, and 2 sect games).

we still have a shot at 2nd place in the east

by memphis wildcat on Feb 28, 2009 8:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

One point of disagreement

AJ did not blow an assignment. Galloway got screened and AJ went with the ball (as was supposed to do since they were switching). The problem is that Galloway did not stay with the screener. Had AJ not switched, Thornton would have had a clear path to the hoop. Check out Brett Dawson’s blog for verification.

by wklawdog on Feb 28, 2009 8:28 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Disagree on a couple of levels

1. Cats were playing a Suicide Man-to-Man (you guard your man, and only your man – or you die) ;-)
2. Did you see who BCG was yelling at after LSU scored?

by hoboat33 on Mar 1, 2009 12:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, yeah, G called out Stewart in his post-game ...

… Stewart did not switch … until it was too late.

That’s why G said that his substitution at the :34 sec mark of Stewart for Harris, cost them the game.

by Ken Howlett on Mar 1, 2009 12:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think that is the substitution that he is bemoaning today.

I believe he is bemoaning the substitution of Perry Stevenson earlier in the half.

by wklawdog on Mar 1, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He was talking about the end-game sub.

But, after reading Galloway’s comments after the game it makes me think that he at least thinks it was his man who hit the shot.

I don’t know. G clearly stated after the game that Stewart didn’t cover the shooter on the last shot … he even blasted him on the way back to the bench at the timeout. Maybe he was confused and misspoke.

Whoever it was Stewart or Galloway, obviously they did not execute.

by Ken Howlett on Mar 1, 2009 7:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: wklawdog

Gillispie just said on hs radio show that the sub he regrets making, but felt he had to because he thought Harris was going to “have a heart attack,” was at the 10 minute mark.

You’re right. I either misunderstood, or he wasn’t very clear in his post-game statement.

by Ken Howlett on Mar 2, 2009 6:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I know exactly what he was talking about

There was a point in the game just before a tv timeout that Harris clutched his chest (heart) and had a bad look on his face. This was mentioned in the live game thread as well. I thought the same thing.

I believe in Billy G.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 2, 2009 6:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hard to place blame

I think they were instructed to switch. Galloway never felt the screen, if you rewatch it, he was so close to the defender that contact wasn’t made. Stewart was going to swith regardless. I think Stew was at fault, but it is hard to be too tough on him.

I just would have gone with Harris on Mitchell for experience sake.

It's the end of the line. I'm the firstborn. Sick of playing second fiddle. Always third in line for everything. Tired of finishing fourth. Being the fifth wheel. There are six things I'm mad about, and I'm taking over. -UK Basketball (Gob from A.D.)

by ChiroCat on Mar 2, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

In reference to the "Last" Play

I have to say here. I know it sounds bitter but the “screen” we are refering to was really a push-off. It was clearly a bad no-call. I know the game was more than just this one series but all of this would have been a non-issue had the ref called at least one of the very obvious and not slight push offs of Galloway. They completely gave the offensive player a huge advantage. AJ would have never had to make a decision wether or not to hedge. Otherwise, Galloway was doing a great job guarding his man all night.

by LyricSmith on Mar 2, 2009 9:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Great College Basketball Game

played by two good, but far from great teams. I analyze games from the point of view of who takes charge of the game and controls. They had the early advantage. Then we started clawing back before the end of the half. The halftime line-up change by Gillispie threw LSU off balance. We had them doing stupid stuff for a short period, and we went up by 10. But then we seemed as if we had shot our wad. That’s what happens when you get down to a good team and have to claw back. But we didn’t collapse. Neither did they.

Johnson had only one time out with 10 minutes still left to play, but he got his team settled down and they methodically cut the lead and edged in front. They seemed to be in control. Then Miller hit a great clutch shot for us (I think he is a very smart player who is exceptional in the clutch — which bodes well for us in the future) to tie. But then they came back and hit a clutch trey.

We didn’t hit a three in the last 10 seconds or whatever. The odds are against that. Jodie already done that once — against Florida — ain’t likely to happen again so soon.

Our traditional line-up (including Porter) held their great scorer to 4 points in the first half; against our new line-up in the second half he scored close to 20.

I think our men played close to their potential, and our coach actually made some tactical coaching decisions during the game.

It was a great college basketball game. The better team won.

by Fortunatus on Feb 28, 2009 8:47 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Amazing game

 It really hurts to lose a game like that, but that was a fabulous college basketball game, with tons of gut and heart put out by both teams. If we had played like that the whole SEC regular season, we’d be 15-1. Really, I can’t see us playing a lot better than that, save some better judgment by Meeks (who played a great game with tons of heart, effort, and skill, so this is really nit-picking)

Really, we were only a contested out of bounds call (or 5) away from winning this. Great effort by our cats, I was really pleased and it made me feel great to see it.

Let’s not take anything away from the Tigers though. We gave them our best effort and they were just too good. LSU is a premier team and should get more credit on the national level than they get. They’re definitely top 10.

by EEWildcat on Feb 28, 2009 9:00 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

We found the money lineup

Galloway
Meeks
Miller
Harris
Patterson

Plenty of offense with the passing and driving of Galloway, plus the scoring of Meeks, Miller and Patterson, plus our best 5 defenders yields our best team.

Go cats!

by EEWildcat on Feb 28, 2009 9:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I hate this loss, but it showed us...

…(and hopefully BCG) what the best lineup for this team is going forward. Picking from the players available on this year’s roster, this is as complete (defense, offense, transition, etc.) as we’re going to get.

Darius Miller has developed into my favorite UK player during the second half of the season. That 3 established that feeling even further today. Galloway runs a close second. Liggins can’t seem to rid himself of his playground mentality.

by mrmondaynite on Feb 28, 2009 9:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Galloway

Getting a man-crush on this guy. He’s seeing the whole floor like nobody else on the team. When he brings the ball upcourt he’s several feet deeper than any other PG we have and usually facing the defense. He sees at least two passes ahead and doesn’t care whether the result is a score or an assist (I’d like to know his touch to score/assist ratio compared to our other PGs).

On defense, he has made great strides this year and his length helps him recover from some questionable foot work.

Starting the second half of this game should further his confidence but I was at a loss to understand why BCG switched him and Meeks after such a great run. Galloway with the ball allows Meeks to run the opponents defense to death and keep looking over their shoulder. It shouldn’t be much of a stretch for the Galloway/Miller to become the missing “3rd scorer” (Milloway?)

While I’m rounding out the starters (Pat’s a given) add in Harris to concentrate on offensive rebounds. If he’s not getting it done use Stevenson, Harrellson, Stewart, Carter(?) or whoever; depending on who’s playing up to BCG’s standard for the night.

It will be fasinating to see the substitution pattern and player positions for the rest of the year. Just give me Galloway early in the game.

by hoboat33 on Mar 1, 2009 12:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I totally agree

Makes me wonder why it took this long to get this combo on floor.

"Learned to love the Cats at a young age, via tape delay."

by ukpastor on Mar 1, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good Game

I would concur in Fortunatus’ assessment of the game; we played reasonably well and regrettably lost in the end. The players seemed to have more energy and verve tonight. That is a good thing.

by Cattitude on Feb 28, 2009 9:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The Call at The End

I was at the game and galloway played great D, but the ref did not call a push on thorton. That my friends caused us the game . The switching stuff would not have been a issue if the proper call was made. This is by far BGG best coached game and it’s the first time a true half time adjustment was made. I thing we are in if we get to 20 wins. The SEC will get in UK,LSU,USC,MSU and TENN or UF.

by cswcat78 on Feb 28, 2009 9:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

that push was b.s.

I try not to whine TOO much about bad calls, but that was just ridiculous. It’s so aggravating when one bad stinking call can cost you the game. but it happens i guess

by uk1982 on Feb 28, 2009 9:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It was a push

But they just don’t call that sort of thing at the end of games.

(unless a Duke player is pushed, that is!)

by EEWildcat on Mar 1, 2009 12:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

True.

The recent rash of weird officiating on Meeks is frustrating and not a little concerning. Contact is fine, but several times he was just hacked on the arm and no call.

Baffling. I hate complaining about the officiating, but many others who normally reject complaining about the officials are joining me in this.

I still reject the officiating as the reason we lost, but it was still pretty bad. The SEC deserves better than this.

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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 1, 2009 9:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Pushes

It was more than one my friend. He did it twice. Even Bobby Knight on GameDay said it should have been called & was gutless by the ref.

by Bluegilla on Mar 1, 2009 9:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

At Least Twice

and obvious and the deciding factor should have been that the offensive player clearly gained a huge advantage on the play.

by LyricSmith on Mar 2, 2009 9:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Porter looked scared

How many shots did he give up? You could hear the crowd’s disappointment every time he had a wide open three and passed it up.

Miller’s three at the end was one of those jumping on the couch kind of moments haha! I just wish Meeks would have hit that last one. Oh well.

Meeks and Patterson (especially Patterson I think) play SO hard. They both seem like they are good kids with good attitudes. so mature and selfless basketball players, I hope they both stay next year.

A loss is always disappointing, but not nearly as disappointing when the Cats play as well as they did today.

by uk1982 on Feb 28, 2009 9:44 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Better Than Expected

If it’s at all possible to feel good about a loss then I’m reasonably sanguine, and principally because the margin of defeat was less than expected and the effort was greater, the execution better than anticipated. The fact of the matter is, considering the difference in talent and experience, it’s about as fulfilling as one can hope. Gillispie said in post game that he lost the game by substituting but didn’t elaborate, anyone have a feeling on that? He also had a different take on the play described by wklawdog, I believe, saying that the play was not defended as coached in the timeout huddle and the same play had been run previously but the open 3 was missed. Haven’t had opportunity to review but I will. Hopefully we’ll see a repeat of effort and execution in next two games and I’m anticipative of a new starting lineup of Patterson, Meeks, Miller, Galloway and, regrettably, Harris — he seems to be the best of bad choices — and two wins are probable. Finally, box score notes: being outscored by 18 from 3, and having 2 players responsible for nearly 75% of scoring, it’s miraculous a win was as near as it was; excellent players at 2 & 5, inept at 1, 3, & 4 = season of torment.

by Wild Weasel on Feb 28, 2009 9:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

With :34 sec's left he replaced Harris with Stewart ...

… Stewart’s the one that didn’t switch off onto the shooter, leaving a wide-open three to win the game.

by Ken Howlett on Feb 28, 2009 10:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

SEC Tourney

I’m not sure, but don’t we have a chance still to get a bye in the conference tourney with a 2nd place finish in the East? That said, what’s better (from a big dance perspective) — to get a bye and get one win in the conf tourney, or to finish 3rd in the East and get two wins in the conf tourney?

by Gobe Igbloo on Feb 28, 2009 10:02 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Gobe -- I'm really getting tired of trying to make a decision on exactly what you're talking about ...

Is it better to have a relatively “easy” Thursday game to pad the win column, or is it better to come in 2nd in the E?

I’ll be so glad when UK gets back to being UK.

by Ken Howlett on Feb 28, 2009 10:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Let's just get W's

I hope “really getting tired of” isn’t as bad as it sounds.

Anyway, I’m not sure what’s the most concise and straightforward way to say what I was trying to say. It looks like we are likely to finish anywhere between 2nd and 4th in the SEC East. I guess I was just wondering if “notching one additional W” is worth enough (for the purpose of getting a bid/seed) to actually make one wish to play in the first round of the conf tourney against a weaker opponent (than if we had a bye). Of course, there’s always a downside risk….

It was just a thought exercise. I just want to see W’s. As many as possible.

by Gobe Igbloo on Feb 28, 2009 11:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Gobe

Yes, I knew what you were driving at, although I didn’t articulate it very well.

By “getting tired of” I just meant that it’s been four years in a row that we’ve had to ponder the possibilities of which you wrote about, instead of figuring out which NCAA regional to order tickets for. That’s all.

I do think that UK has a 50-50 shot at getting in, at this point. But they need some luck, and to do exactly what you wrote — Win.

I feel this team could win four or five in a row, or lose all their remaining games … it’s maddening :)

by Ken Howlett on Feb 28, 2009 11:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Harrellson

Don’t understand not giving Harrellson more minutes, Today in 4 minutes he: blocked two defenders allowing Meeks to drive and score, had 1 block, 1 defensive rebound and the scorer said he had a turnover (I missed it) and a nice feed from the high post to PP for a lay up…..I think he and PP could be a gone pair if they ever get significant minutes playing together. I know he doesn’t get pushed out of the way under the boards…..

by PaCatFan on Feb 28, 2009 10:28 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Some Thougts about the game and the future

The first half was rough; we got off some decent shots that just did not go down. Also, most of LSU’s made 3’s were well contested, nothing you can do when guys make shots with a hand in the face. Unfortunately, the 3’s were not falling for UK. Patterson is a man among boys, and played awesome.

I loved the half time adjustments by BG. I also loved all the back screens, that was a great coaching move from something obviously seen in the film room. UK gave it their all in the second half (not so much in the first half). If Meeks makes that free throw or the a couple 3 pointers he normally makes, this game is a win (I am not blaming Meeks), but the ball did not bounce our way.

Galloway brings great intensity and emotion. He is a decent ball-handler and solid passer. He can also get to the rim well. However, he lacks a solid jump shot, but given the other options, he is the best choice for PG going into the last few games of the regular season. Miller is developing nicely; his 3 point shot is becoming very consistent (I though BG was going to use Meeks as a decoy on the last play and let Miller take the 3). Again, Patterson is AWESOME. Harris plays solid D, but no offense. Stevenson is so frustrating because he as the tools to be good, but plays soft and tentative. Meeks is starting to force things and is somewhat of a liability when he puts in on the floor, as he is prone to turnovers.

I felt like this team and BG made great strides in the second half. I think Galloway and Miller finally get it (many of us hoped this would have happened 10 games ago). I also think BG is starting to “get it” a little better. I think he is a very good coach, with the potential to be great. He is learning just like his young team.

I think UK comes out and puts it to UGA. The Florida game will should be intense, as this will pretty much be a “play-in game” meaning which ever team wins will be in the Big Dance (as long as UK beats UGA and they will). I think UK, if they learn from this game, and BG makes some starting line-up changes, could get good fast. I still hold out hope that UK makes it to the Big Dance and gets past the first round.

Regarding the future, Meeks needs to return. Given his height, at the next level he will need to be able to create his own shot and handle the ball better than he does, so he needs to improve. Patterson is ready for the next level, but could use some fine-tuning and he needs to improve on his rebounding consistency. Also, he needs to improve on his offensive rebounding. I think both come back. Orton (a freshman next year) already has the body of a college player, and is a very good defender and rebounder and his offensive game is improving. He can handle the rock and has 3 point range when needed. I think GJ will push for serious playing time and the PG position, but if Galloway continues to improve, the position is his.

Starting line-up next year:
PG: Galloway
SG: Meeks
Small Forward: Miller
Power Forward: Patterson
Center: Orton

That is a solid starting line-up with solid players to come off the bench. Next year, with Meeks and Patterson, UK as the potential to be a top 10 team!!

Regarding the rest of this year, Galloway should be the new starting point guard. Miller should come in and start for Stevenson, although I am not sure who I would rather have start, Harris or Stevenson. Patterson will keep doing his thing.

Starting Line-up for the rest of this year:
PG: Galloway
SG: Meeks
C: Patterson
SF: Miller
PF: Harris or Stevenson

Keep the faith

Lane

P.S. Sorry my thoughts were all over the place. But stay patient Big Blue, I have a feeling that this team is starting to “get it.”

by Laird on Feb 28, 2009 10:55 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for your contribution, Laird.

As far as Galloway is concerned — I agree 100%; he certainly has his weaknesses, but his presence on the court gives UK their best chance at winning.

by Ken Howlett on Feb 28, 2009 11:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No way Billy does not start Porter, you can forget that tought...

and

I have a feeling that this team is starting to "get it."

??? Are you serious..? We are 29 games into a 31 game season and they are just now “starting to get it”..

I wish Billy would stick with your line-up but porter will start no matter what…

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Feb 28, 2009 11:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

that it should not take this long, but again, he can only coach, he does not play. Stevenson and Porter are Juniors and should be consistent by now, but are not. Galloway and Miller took all year to adjust to high-level college ball. BG went with what he thought was the lessor of 2 evils. I understand regarding Stevenson, Porter on the other hand, I do not get. I played PG in my days, and I have never liked Porter at this position. But at the same time, he has had had games with mutlple 3 pointers, and UK can always use offense. So, as I said, BG went with what he likely thought was the lessor of 2 evils and stuck with it, but for too long. I think he is ready to coach more desperate and realize that if guys are going to make mistakes, let be young guys who are willing to learn. I agree it took too long, but better late and never.

It could be that my judgment is clouded by my love for UK. But deep down, I do beleive BG is the right man for the job.

Lane

by Laird on Feb 28, 2009 11:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

BCG sure looked damn good tonight – thats for sure!

I believe in Billy G.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Feb 28, 2009 11:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Had a feeling this season would be like this...

I thought UK played admirably, especially in the 2nd half. LSU has more talent on their roster top to bottom than UK does right now. That’s a fact. They have recruited very well over the last 5 years, and it is showing in the results they are producing on the court. After the opening loss to VMI, UK is right where I thought they would be at this point in the season. With around a “20-10” record and on the bubble to make the tourney. To be honest, I thought the NIT could be a real possiblity with this team after that loss to VMI back in November. I guess that feeling was accurate. Outside of Meeks and PPat, our roster can not produce enough offense to beat top 25 teams. With the exception of beating #24 ranked UT in Knoxville (which took 54 points from Meeks), UK would be winless against the top 25 this year.

With that being said, at this point in the season, BCG needs to seriously reconsider his decision to keep starting Porter at PG. And also Stevenson, for that matter. Porter is just overmatched at this level at the PG position. Galloway has proven that he can run this team effectively, and although he does get out of control sometimes, he gives us the best chance to win. Stevenson is an enigma, I mean, he starts the game out with the 2 or 3 dunks, then just disappears after that. You would think getting those dunks would pump him up and give him incentive to play hard. But no, he just falls back asleep on the court. If he is not going to rebound, then he does not need to start. Once again, inconsistency is killing this team.

The immediate future looks bleak, but next season looks bright if Meeks and PPat come back. If we do not make the tourney I believe they do come back. It’s possible that PPat won’t leave without never have playing in the tourney. Remember, he didn’t play in the tourney last year due to injury. Plus in my opinion he is not ready – he needs to develop a face the basket game for the NBA. Playing back ot the basket in the NBA is not going to cut it for him. Meeks is definitely not ready, he turns the ball over way too much as needs to work on his ballhandling.

This team desperately needs another low post threat besides Patterson. All the final 4 caliber teams usually have this (UCONN with Thabeet and Adrien come to mind). UK has not had 2 low post threats since Randolph Morris and Chuck Hayes in 2005. And that was the last season UK had which produced UK like results. If PPat stays, and with Orton coming in, next season could be special.

by Sharpera on Mar 1, 2009 9:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice comment.

I can’t find anything in here with which to disagree.

I really do think Gillispie should scrap the Porter at point guard thing. I doubt he will, but he should. I don’t care if he starts Miller there, I think Porter just isn’t viable at the position except for spot duty.

Miller has done a terrific job handling and distributing the ball lately. Galloway is finally starting to show why we signed him. I can’t understand Stevenson at all.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Mar 1, 2009 9:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I concur

about Miller’s play in your postmortem and your comment above. He’s starting to get comfortable and let the game to come to him. Plus he is a “smart” b-ball player. His b-ball IQ is really high. That 3 he hit towards the end of the game was a big shot for him. I have a feeling that he is going to be special.

I doubt BCG will not start Porter next game either, we all know how stubborn BCG can be. I suppose there’s a means to an end here. At least I hope so.

by Sharpera on Mar 1, 2009 9:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Next Game Is Senior (Day Or) Night

C Carter, F Patterson and Harris or Miller, G Meeks and ???

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 1, 2009 9:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

agree on senior night

might be interesting to see patterson at the 4 – probably a more natural spot for him – even if it is just a few mins

by memphis wildcat on Mar 1, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I Agree Too

with this years starting line up.
I so thought one of the un-spoken keys to this loss was Harris being benched. I do not blame Coach G as it looks like he was exhausted but Harris sat down after very sucessfully playing D at the 4 spot and thats when we went up by 10. Also, for whatever reason I was a little disappointed that we slowed down because Galloway pushing the pace is what got us back in the lead. Easy to second guess I know but I was impressed with that line-up. They showed lots of heart gettting back into the game.

by LyricSmith on Mar 2, 2009 9:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

KSR

People sure are blasting Billy on KSR :(

I believe in Billy G.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Feb 28, 2009 11:08 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

You act as if ...

… you are surprised. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Feb 28, 2009 11:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't write about this ...

… a few weeks ago because I didn’t see the point. But now, well, what the heck.

My wife and I went to the Mississippi State game — I’ve been going to games, off and on, since 1983, and I’ve never, ever heard a crowd turn on a coach like they did that night.

I was once at a game where a guy a couple rows in front of me blamed Tubby for a UK player missing a free throw … I’ve seen and heard a lot in Rupp, is my point, but that night a few weeks ago takes the cake as far as fan unhappiness with the coach is concerned.

But all this nonsense about getting rid of him now is ridiculous. He deserves at least 4 years.

All he needs to do is win, and all will be lovely.

by Ken Howlett on Feb 28, 2009 11:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry Ken

I accidently posted before I completed my sentence.

I believe in Billy G.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Feb 28, 2009 11:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I swear I didn't think I wrote about it

Oh, I bet I said something about it in the comments section. Duh!

My bad, I promise I didn’t do it intentionally.

by Ken Howlett on Feb 28, 2009 11:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Rupp Crowd

in my opinion is irrelevant anymore. I was at the South Carolina game back in January and I could not believe how the crowd behaved. It was basically quiet the whole game – and when the crowd did make noise, South Carolina would make mistakes. But the crowd pretty much stayed quiet, and South Carolina won. I would motion people around me to get up and make noise, but they would look at me as if I was from another planet.

UK does not have much of a home court advantage anymore. This is mainly because UK does not cater to the students enough. Surround the court with the students and UK would have the best home court advantages in the country. But that will never happen.

by Sharpera on Mar 1, 2009 10:27 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jeez.

Go figure. What the hell is it, everyone just brings their A+game against UK and nobody else?

Sheesh.

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by Truzenzuzex on Feb 28, 2009 11:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

funny you should say that...

I have never in my life seen so many teams hit so many DEEP 3’s, like they’ve hit this year… It’s remarkable really…

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Feb 28, 2009 11:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

80% of the 3 point shots that went in today were heavily contested, what can you do?? Uk still gets everyone’s best shot (no pun intended).

Lane

by Laird on Feb 28, 2009 11:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

On all levels

I’m a Centre fan and one of their guards, Kris Bentley from Pikeville, is hitting threes this year from WAY beyond the line. It’s really helped their offense because he’s hitting a high percentage but man, some of those shots are really deep.

by Danvillecat on Feb 28, 2009 11:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Centre grad here. I've done a pretty bad job keeping up with Centre sports since I graduated, but I know they had

a great season last season.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on Mar 1, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This year too

They just won the SCAC tournament. That puts them at 24-4.

by Danvillecat on Mar 1, 2009 5:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow. Very nice.

I should add that I’m also a Wash U grad, who won the D3 tournament last year (and currently sits at # 2 in the polls).

Nice to see that at least the D3 schools I attended are doing well in basketball.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on Mar 2, 2009 8:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's a good point

There have been a lot of deep threes made this year. Or it least it seems that way.

A study of Div I three-point shooting since they moved the arc back, might make a good front page post … anybody seen Tru? :)

by Ken Howlett on Feb 28, 2009 11:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

3-pt shooting under the new line

I think there’s some data on this topic on Ken Pomeroy’s page, just above the top of the ranking chart.
http://www.kenpom.com/rate.php

by Gobe Igbloo on Mar 1, 2009 12:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

all the 3s

Funny, moving the 3 point line back a few inches hasn’t had much of an impact has it?

by Bluegilla on Mar 1, 2009 9:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You bet

We get everyone’s “A” game because they’re realizing – even before some of UK fans – that UK is about to arrive and they’d better get they’re shots at us now.

(hope. hope. pray. pray. hope.hope…….)

by hoboat33 on Mar 1, 2009 12:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Whoa!

“they’re”???? Sorry, to all my english teachers.

by hoboat33 on Mar 1, 2009 7:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

They are realizing

English teacher should be OK with that :)

by LyricSmith on Mar 2, 2009 9:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why Blast BG

I feel that he made some great adjustments in this game and BG is finally making some changes regardig the line-up. I feel that he has been frustrated all year, more than any of us, regarding the play of Porter and Stevenson. But with other guys (i.e. Miller, Galloway, and Liggins) taking longer to adjust to the college game than expected, he had no choice but to play Porter and Stevenson. I keep saying, wait until the roster is only BG’s guys and things will be different.

Also, if UK wins the next 2, they will likely finish second in the SEC, wihch gets them in the Big Dance. I will keep saying it, patience is important during times of adversity, as nothing good comes from “knee-jerk” reactions.

I will continue to stand behind BG.

Lane

by Laird on Feb 28, 2009 11:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

BCG came up with some good plays

The new sets he introduced worked well at times. They let Patterson and Meeks get some easy buckets. I have been one of BCG’s biggest critics but I try to give credit where it’s due and he introduced some new plays that LSU wasn’t expecting which worked well. UK actually played some good basketball with some decent screens, cuts, and passes. In other words they played some good team offense instead of just relying on someone to “make a play”, the most overused cliche in sports. If we can just do that on a more consistent basis things will get better.

by Danvillecat on Feb 28, 2009 11:31 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Question/Help

I just noticed that the UGA game is not going to be ESPN Full Court. I live in Kansas, does anyone know how I can see this game or am I just out of luck.

Lane

by Laird on Feb 28, 2009 11:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Someone who can be of more help will probably read this ...

… but I think you may be able to watch on-line.

Don’t ask me how, though?

by Ken Howlett on Feb 28, 2009 11:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

watch it here

for any SEC game that isn’t CBS or ESPN, you can watch online here. i know it’s too late now, but it’ll work for next season.

http://sports.yahoo.com/top/collegebroadcast/teams/jps

GO BIG BLUE!! GO BIG BLUE!!

by UKWildCatFanatic on Mar 1, 2009 3:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, Lane

Do you have DIRECTV? If so, you might want to check the menu on your television. My online Full Court schedule isn’t showing the UK / UGA game either, but when I scroll through the menu on my television it is listed and says it will be shown on channel 725. Maybe this helps, maybe not. If not, you can always watch online, it’s not the same as watching on the big-screen HDTV, but live, nonetheless. Good luck! : )

by BigSkyCat on Mar 1, 2009 9:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It may not mean much to some...

but I think making the NCAA tournament should be the absolute minimum for UK. Missing the tournament is outright failure IMO. I dont care about excuses. For me the tournament should be academic. I find it hard to believe and almost blasphemous that anyone here could except anything less. UK could still make the tourney but we all know that they will need to win almost all of the remaining regular season games. If not then win the SECT. Does anyone deep down really believe they wlll those games. I don’t mean can win but will will win the games.

Slower Traffic Keep Right!

by SevenRings on Feb 28, 2009 11:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I have to agree.

As I posted on another thread, I think UK is capable of winning five or six in a row, but they are equally capable of losing all their remaining games.

It’s maddening!

by Ken Howlett on Mar 1, 2009 12:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ken...

I want your honest opinion. What will you think if UK does not make the NCAA tourney? In your wildest imagination did you think that was possible?

Slower Traffic Keep Right!

by SevenRings on Mar 1, 2009 12:27 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What will I think?

I will think it sucks!, is what I’ll think.

Coming into this year I thought 22-25 wins (including the SECT) was a reasonable expectation, along with a 12-4, or 13-3 SEC record. Obviously I was wrong.

What’s so maddening to me is that the team was playing very well in late December and early to mid-January. But when Meeks went off on UT opposing coaches changed the way they defend, and the support players have not stepped up. Other than the last few games Meeks hasn’t had enough screens run for him, in my opinion. Also their defense has taken a step back in intensity, and therefore they are left with fewer fastbreak opportunities.

In my view (and I wrote as much), they lost to Mississippi because they took them lightly (Patterson echoed that feeling) and they lost to Miss. St. because Gillispie had a pitiful gameplan (the same exact one that got them beat last year). And they probably would have beaten VMI if G had slowed the game down … but that’s a tougher call than the two Mississippi games.

The bottom line is; if they don’t make the Tourney, they have no one to blame but themselves. But, with the youth they have on this team, some ups and downs are to be expected. But lack of effort, or taking teams lightly is unacceptable.

Missing the Tournament did not even enter into my mind, but I wrote back in Oct./Nov. that if Porter was going to be UK’s starting PG, then UK was in big trouble. Not that Porter deserves the blame — He’s a 2G playing out of position, and he plays hard every second he’s on the floor, which is more than I can say for some others.

Hindsight — G should have began the season with Galloway at point and let him “learn on the job.” I think UK would be in much better shape right now.

But, saying all that, I am firmly in the “give Gillispie a total of four years to show drastic improvement” camp — Barring a total collapse next year.

by Ken Howlett on Mar 1, 2009 8:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Missing NCAA (When Eligible)

1989 – in the midst of the NCAA investigation mess. UK had decent talent but there were too many distractions.

1979 – young but very talented UK team. Almost made it anyway (as SECT champs) but lost in finals SECT.

1976 – again young but reasonably talented. Harder to make NCAA back then (fewer spots).

1974 – that UK team had plenty of talent to make NCAA but you had to win NCAA to do it back then. The 74 team had a terrible season.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 1, 2009 7:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

sure they can...

Like tru said, (I think it was tru), UK can beat anyone, but they can just as EZ loose to anyone…

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Feb 28, 2009 11:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Next 2 Games

UK has beaten both UGA and UF already this year, so of course they can win. UGA at home should be a no-brainer (but we know that nothing is a no-brainer with this team). UF will be tough on the road, as it took guys stepping up to win the last time. If UK plays the way it did in the second half of the LSU game the rest of the year, they will win the next 2 games.

Lane

by Laird on Feb 28, 2009 11:55 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I like your optimism....

but Ifs are no gaurantee for me. UK has lost 6 of their last 9 games. Maybe its just me but the IF train has left the building. Sorry if I sound rude….I promise I do not mean to. I do believe that UK should beat UGA but as far as anyone else..well I think it is 50/50 because how do we really know who will show up.

Slower Traffic Keep Right!

by SevenRings on Mar 1, 2009 12:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Looking back...

the game “may” have been lost, or at least “hurt”, my Jodie’s 1-9 3-point shooting.. argggg

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Feb 28, 2009 11:58 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

...
Ramon Harris just didn’t have much of an impact, except for one huge rebound and stick-back. But other than that, he was not a factor at all.

The announcers wrongly credited him with that rebound and put back, it was Miller.

by the spork on Mar 1, 2009 12:02 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Interesting quote from LSU's Marcus Thornton

On Kentucky’s defense …

They have guys that can defend you that are 6-foot-7 and 6-foot-8. I really got in a grove though and it didn’t matter if they were 7-foot tall, I was going to make the shot

Like I said, for some reason this year, guys are just having their best games against UK…

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Mar 1, 2009 12:04 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

That has to be the most frustrating thing of all....I hear it all the time that UK etal gets others best shot...

but they still have to make those shots and this season they have…..does anyone know any voodoo? :)

Slower Traffic Keep Right!

by SevenRings on Mar 1, 2009 12:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think you figured it

The LSU team must have had a few words with ol’ Marie Laveau before coming up to make all of those contested shots.

by EEWildcat on Mar 1, 2009 1:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Does anyone else think that Jodie got fouled on the last shot?

I thought that one of the tigers got some elbow or forearm on the shot, but I only got to see it replayed once.

by DrZoom on Mar 1, 2009 2:42 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

You sometimes see that little bump called ...

… but it came after the shot, I thought. The forearm push-off Marcus Thornton made against Galloway on the last LSU possession was an obvious foul, though, and that most certainly should have been called. It happened right in front of the official, too.

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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 1, 2009 7:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No way.

If they call the game in a ticky-tack way like that, everyone fouls out halfway through the 2nd half.

by mrmondaynite on Mar 1, 2009 8:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't think so

It didn’t look like a foul to me.

by Danvillecat on Mar 1, 2009 5:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Credit where it is due

I have posted periodically on this site & mostly have been critical of BCG & his refusal to make any adjustments once the game starts. I have done everything but call for his firing. I still support my Wildcats. However, I come to praise Caesar this time. His starters for the second half were water to a thirsting soul. It was the right combination, at the right time & I had to look twice to make my eyes believe it was really happening. Finally, an adjustment, a good coaching move. I applaud you coach. Now, if you would just throw in a little match-up zone periodically, my estimation of your abilities will rise ever higher. I hope this is a line-up for the rest of the year. Good luck Cats against Georgia & Florida.

by Bluegilla on Mar 1, 2009 9:48 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Overall Both Team AND Coaches Were MUCH BETTER Than In Columbia

The scoreboard showed L but in every other aspect, it was W for UK.

A much better effort by everyone.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 1, 2009 9:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Galloway, and the rest.

Galloway is the only player I’ve seen on this team who doesn’t back away from the defense on the dribble off a pick. He is able to keep control of the ball close to the defense. He also, at times, reverses at the point of pick, so that if his defender is overplaying, the pick works in reverse. Sorry that’s not explained very well, but he, better than Porter, Meeks, Miller, Slone, anyone else outside, is not scared playing close to the defense.

Harrelson plays well in the high post with PPat in the low. He’s tall enough to see over the defense and he isn’t afraid to pass it down.

Miller is finally gaining some confidence. He could be the next great KY player if he doesn’t sit for 37 minutes next game.

Meeks is an awesome offensive presence with one exception: He doesn’t handle the ball in traffic well at all. He also forces some shots, but with little backup for him and Patterson, he probably has to do that. More picks for him OFF THE BALL would probably get him more uncontested shots. Picking off the ball rather than when he has the ball enables him to use his quickness to get open without being compromised by his mediocre dribbling.

Patterson is Patterson. Unbelievable. Somebody above said “a man among boys.” Amen.

Feed Stevenson some gunpowder. Ability is OK, motivation isn’t, apparently.

Liggins is uncontrolled ability. If he doesn’t get it under control, he’ll probably follow Alex Legion.

Harris, Stewart, et al are not versatile enough players except for role players. Harris’ defense makes him the best of the rest, IMO. With FOUR other offensive threats, he wouldn’t be such a liability on our end of the court and would be able to contribute his considerable defensive skills.

Gillispie coached to his players’ talent level better in this game than I’ve seen this year. As a result, we had the best 15 minutes of the year from 5:00 first half to midway through the second.

Sorry to be long-winded, but I had to sleep on this one first, and I dreamed a lot of words.

No moral victories--it's all about Ws and Ls!!!

by oldcat'69 on Mar 1, 2009 10:15 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

"Best 15 minutes of the year"

Sadly it takes more than 15 mins. of good play to beat a quality opponent and that has been one of the problems all year with this team. They have been unable to play a good 40 mins. in many of their games. The inconsistency of this team has been their downfall.

I agree with much of what you say about the players on this team as far as ability. But it also leads me to wonder if this team has the talent you speak of in your comments,why are they 19-10 and 8-6 in the SEC?

by maysvilleblue on Mar 1, 2009 10:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

While each one of the role players has strengths,

they each have a fatal flaw that has been exploited by the opposition. Call it good coaching, call it luck, but Stevenson’s hands, Liggins’ wildness, even Miller’s hesitance, have all been put to good use by our opponents. I think in the right spots that Harrelson, for example, could really help out by providing another “feeder” to a low-post Patterson, but in other situations, his lack of speed and quickness are real liabilities.

Even Meeks has trouble with ballhandling, but, most of the time his speed and shooting ability make up for it.

And so on with everyone but Patterson, IMO.

No moral victories--it's all about Ws and Ls!!!

by oldcat'69 on Mar 1, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

It's not weak...

…to look to next year, Tru, so don’t worry about it. I think we all knew coming in that we were going to have problems, but I, for one, was sucked in early by the promise of the return of gaudy uniforms. ;-)

We just don’t have enough of the right pieces, period. Thing is, it’s not that big of a deal. Why do I say that? It should temper our expectations. Our tendency so far has been to look for blame for this or that loss, but when we match expectations to what we’ve got on the roster, I think it becomes clearer that we just had to expect less…and that there’s not as much blame to go around, either to a coach dealing with two great players, three developing new faces, and a lot of middling talent, or to a group of players that included only three regular starters from last year (one of whom was on the bench for the final month) trying to find their way together. Given a team of that description, what should we have expected?

That said, you’re right that help is likely on the way next year: Pilgrim’s been in the system a year; Miller, Galloway, and Liggins will all likely be better; Jodie and Pat might come back; and anything out of the new guys will be a bonus, rather than a critical part of our chances to win, as they were this year. That’s definite reason for optimism.

Finally, sometimes, I wish we used our passion not for anger but for patience, because that’s what we need right now. Not to write this season off—-never—-but to know that we’ve got to wait a bit before we’re back on top.

And we will be. No doubt.

by nocodecub on Mar 1, 2009 10:29 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Great post, noco.

But patience is not a virtue that’s shared by all UK fans. Me, either, sometimes.

No moral victories--it's all about Ws and Ls!!!

by oldcat'69 on Mar 1, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Next Year (Minus Some Of These)

WF Miller, Harris, Stewart
PF Patterson, Pilgrim, Stevenson
C Orton, Harrellson
SG Meeks, Hood, Porter, D Williams
PG Galloway, Liggins, Vilarino, Spring 09 Recruit

UK will lose 2 of those (3 if there is another recruit).

But even so, there will be 2 or 3 players at every spot.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 1, 2009 10:34 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Miller's last 5 games....

:-)

2/14 @ Arkansas — 8 points, 6 rebounds, 3 steals
2/17 @ Vanderbilt — 7 points,1 assist, 1 steal
2/21 Tennessee — 17 points, 6 assists, 3 rebounds, 2 block shots
2/25 @ South Carolina — 5 points, 4 assists
2/28 LSU — 8 points, 4 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 block shots

GBB!!!

by OGETARTS on Mar 1, 2009 10:52 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Nice.

Very nice.

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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 1, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Right, that's progress for a fairly shy kid.

As Tru said somewhere else, progressing forward rather than retreating at least brings hope.

No moral victories--it's all about Ws and Ls!!!

by oldcat'69 on Mar 1, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Porter/Miller/Galloway

It was really evident after the TN game at Rupp that Miller had gained a lot of confidence and made some great strides that weren’t “temporary”. Galloway has shown strides too but he hasn’t had the PT to really showcase that more (until yesterday).

Porter has been playing PG, but we all know it was because we had no one else anywhere near ready to step up to the plate. I think Miller and Galloway have now proved their worth and could actually share PG responsibilities together. Plus they just honestly have oddles more athleticism than Porter. I think it would take a lot of pressue off Porter’s head to sit him at the beginning and let him sub in the SG position throughout the game. He’s obviously much more comfortable in that position.

That being said, we all wanted Billy G to surprise us for once and he came through yesterday. There is a definite chemistry with Miller, Galloway, Meeks, Harris, and Patterson on the floor. I saw much better ball movement and I believe that lineup would cut down on turnovers too. It’s actually quite shocking to realize I didn’t have to pay attention to turnovers!

A couple of stats that leapt out at me: Miller, Galloway, and Harris combined for only 3 turnovers and Miller/Harris played almost 30 minutes apiece while Galloway played 20. Those three also combined for 6 of the team’s 18 assists. That’s very encouraging!

You can say what you want about Harris but I recently read a New York Times article (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/15/magazine/15Battier-t.html?_r=1) on Shane Battier that made me step back and wonder about Harris in a new light. It’s a long read but very interesting and insightful. I do believe that Harris adds a certain something that can’t be discerned by looking at the stat line. He does add a defensive presence that isn’t reflected in the numbers. For instance, LSU had 11 turnovers yesterday. I wonder how many (if any) Harris may have caused. I’d be curious to see.

All that being said, since we are playing GA next I fully expect Porter to start. We have to beat them or our NCAA bid is definitely out IMO. Just remember Billy G……..change is good…………change is good.

by slidemank on Mar 1, 2009 12:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Double Take

Muchas gracias, slidemank, for the link, a wonderful, thoughtful and refreshingly intelligent piece, and it provided me two great actualizations:

1) It confirms a statement made by Dr. Jack Ramsey, the Hall of Fame coach, that an NBA coach does more coaching in a game than a college coach does in a season. Considering the intricacies and complexity explained in this article relieves any doubt that I may have had.

2) It achieved what I once might have thought impossible: A Dukie that I can admire.

by Wild Weasel on Mar 1, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It was an interesting article

and since I read it I’ve had a chance to watch parts of two Houston games and focused on Battier. He really does pay attention to the fundamentals and do the little things. I’ll watch Harris closer to see if I see any resemblance. One thing I’ve noticed out of Harris that Battier wouldn’t do is the out of control attacks on the basket, especially after getting called for so many charges. Once or twice and he’d learn to stop and shoot the jumper. Harris has a bad habit of just flat running over people.

by Danvillecat on Mar 1, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Miller Not PG

Galloway and Liggins are PG.

I don’t think anyone knows Y Porter starts at PG. I can see him getting 5-10 minutes PT as back-up PG and SG but not starting.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 1, 2009 12:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Well, what I really meant....

is Miller could share ball handling with Galloway. I think he backs up the PG well. Exactly on Porter. Plus having him on the bench keeps him fresh instead of wearing him out right out of the gate.

by slidemank on Mar 1, 2009 12:36 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Porter........

would be a good sub for Meeks when he needs a breather.

by slidemank on Mar 1, 2009 12:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

We were down 8 at half, up ten in the 2nd half after a killer adjustment...

…then the bottom fell out, so a moral victory this was not…as this season has showed us the ALMOST NOTHING carries over from one game to the next… I remain patient until I decide if i’m completely on board with BCG being the man to lead us back to the top, as I truly hope he is….. if things remain rocky after 2 more seasons, well, then things should be re-examined….but we should be focused and hopeful for the future. Didn’t mean to get off course there, lol

by teambeam on Mar 1, 2009 12:45 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Hey, that's cool.

You’re right, it wasn’t a moral victory because of the thumping we received in the previous game. BUT we did see an adjustment as we have not seen before. And holy crap, it was working! Whether or not that kind of strategy was just one game or not, we’ll see.

If Meeks and Patterson return next year, it will be the defining season for me. The team will have a much better shot at succeeding with the game plan that BCG is so adamant about.

But for now let’s hope there are still some rabbits left to pull out of the hat. You never know…..

by slidemank on Mar 1, 2009 12:57 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Unlike South Carolina

At least we finished hard, but once again, not smart. Letting a guy come down the lane untouched, grab a rebound over three defenders, score and draw a foul is pathetic. Meeks is still forcing things too much, he basically cancels out his scoring with the turnovers and bad shots. I was glad Galloway finally got playing time. I’ve been saying he’s the key all year, why did it take so long to figure that out?
As for Billy G, the dumb play extends to him in the form of bad coaching. Why would you put stewart in to guard at the end of the game when the guy has basically been sitting the entire half? Why would you put Miller at point guard at the end? Why are teams constantly getting wide open three point looks against us?
At the end of the day, we’re just not very good. We have underachieved this year to this point. This team has more talent than to be fighting for a tourney bid this late in the season. I hate to say this about traitor Rick, but what kind of record do you think he would have had with this team? I think close to 25 wins.

by daniel81 on Mar 1, 2009 12:57 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

It is what it is

We could debate about the sub patterns all day long and still come to no real conclusions. I really don’t think we defended the three that badly yesterday. I saw quite a few contested shots that fell. Let’s give LSU credit for being a good team. They are quite simply playing better than us.

I’m not even going down the Pitino road. The point is moot because he’s not our coach. I think BCG is learning. Next season will either prove or disprove that. I’m staying behind him and our team. I don’t give up on the Blue even in the down times.

by slidemank on Mar 1, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: coming down the lane untouched.

I didn’t DVR the game (kick, kick-ow), but watching it real time, what I saw was that Patterson and whoever else was under (Stevenson??) had their guys blocked out really well. The one who didn’t block out was whoever was guarding Thornton (that was who got the put-back, wasn’t it?). In a strict man-to-man, everybody has to block out or it won’t work.

If someone has it recorded, was I right, or are my eyes failing as well?

No moral victories--it's all about Ws and Ls!!!

by oldcat'69 on Mar 1, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I believe Galloway ...

… had the blockout responsibility on Thornton.

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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 1, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think it was Miller...I remember posting that in the Open Game thread....

however you may be right…i didnt DVR the game

Slower Traffic Keep Right!

by SevenRings on Mar 1, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You may be right as well.

I just thought I remembered Galloway from the replay. I could be wrong.

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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 1, 2009 5:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

At South Carolina

We neither started hard, finished hard, nor Anything In Between-ed hard.

UK may not be great but when all are playing well, the Cats are a GOOD team and hard to beat.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 1, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree, Forty,

but when you are playing WELL, you are hiding your deficiencies and highlighting the other team’s. We haven’t done that as consistently as we could have this year. Blame it on the coach, blame it on lack of chemistry, blame it on voodoo, blame it on luck, blame it on whatever, it just hasn’t happened.

The first half against Indiana, the “middle” 15 minutes yesterday, and a few other periods have highlighted the possibilities. The problem has been that those periods have been the exceptions.

No moral victories--it's all about Ws and Ls!!!

by oldcat'69 on Mar 1, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Herald Leader

Good article in today’s Lexington Herald about Barnhardt backing BCG. I think it was definitely time for him to come out publically and back our Coach.

I believe in Billy G.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 1, 2009 1:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Key Barnhart Words

The most significant part of the AD’s comments was this:

I know nobody wants to hear it, but it’s going to take time to get our roster filled out like we need it to be."

Further confirmation that UK roster is woefully short of basketball talent and a few recruiting classes will be required to replenish the relatively empty cupboard. In that vein, I can hardly wait until the class of 2006 departs — regrettably Jodie Meeks, the exception that proves the rule, will finish his eligibility as well, if it doesn’t happen sooner.

by Wild Weasel on Mar 1, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree > 2007 And 08 Recruiting By Gillispie Is Disappointing

Patterson is the only 1 of his 8 recruits over 2 years to contribute UK caliber play on a regular basis.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 1, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Short, yes.

“Woefully short,” no.

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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 1, 2009 5:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Barnhart

He had to.

Many of the fans are in a frenzy. He did the right thing.

by Ken Howlett on Mar 1, 2009 8:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

As Kentucky fans

who do we want to win in today’s Tennessee v. Florida matchup? Or does it matter?

I believe in Billy G.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 1, 2009 2:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I was just thinking about that

Not double checking, but off the top of my head, I am thinking that if Tenn beats Florida, then loses to SC; and we beat Fl that we could finish second…. but again, I am not really thinking it through so maybe I am missing something.

by StillCatwoman on Mar 1, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly

I hate rooting for either one of these teams, but I will choose the one that will benefit Kentucky most. What you said makes sense though. You may be right. Go Vols?? Ugh – I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit! ;)

I believe in Billy G.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 1, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking

if UF wins it allows us to control our destiny on Saturday (after we beat GA). Where if UT wins, we are depending on someone else to beat them to help us to 2nd.

true blue living in a sea of orange

by qmwhitlock on Mar 1, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

if only they could both lose

well don’t cheer too much because I may be wrong about this. I am working and watching the game and on asob, so none of the 3 are getting my real attention. btw, do you feel better 2day?

by StillCatwoman on Mar 1, 2009 2:28 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I do feel better today, thanks.

I’m sorry I was such a baby last night. That one really hurt me. I really appreciate all your kind words. The article today in the Lexington Herald showing Barnhart’s support of BCG really helped. I just really dont feel like we are out of the running for the NCAA yet. I think we still have some gas in the tank! By the way, I really liked your idea of ASOB trying to get tickets for a game and meeting up. If you ever come to KY for a game – or anything else for that matter – I would love to meet you!

I believe in Billy G.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 1, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

thank you!

don’t worry about last night. I have cried over plenty of ballgames in my life.
I would love to me you too. we will figure out a way to have a “family reunion” for asob!

by StillCatwoman on Mar 1, 2009 2:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Gillispie driving the bus

I don’t like coaches that publicly call out their players. Gillispie has been doing this quite a lot lately. Instead of driving the bus, he throws players under the bus. As far as Mitch coming out in support of Coach Clyde, what would you expect. Barnhardt is tied to this hire, for better or worse. Ultimatley, Gillispie’s fate will be determined by Lee Todd or the Board of Trustees, not Barnhardt.

by BravoBigBlue on Mar 1, 2009 2:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Define Ultimately

Using other UK athletic department hiring decisions as a guide I would think that Mitch Barnhart as long as he is AD will be the final arbiter of Gillispie’s future. Not to say the decision won’t be run by Dr. Todd but the likelihood of the president doing something contrary is near zero — and that’s the way it should be.

by Wild Weasel on Mar 1, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly.

Barnhart has hiring/firing responsibility. The trustees and Lee Todd could force Barnhart to fire him, but I suspect Barhart would quit before he would allow that.

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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 1, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Tink

So glad you are feeling better today. You mentioned that your hubby is not quite as passionate as you about our Cats, I had the same situation with mine when he was living. I swear he could make me so irate at times because he could not understand why I yelled and cheered to a TV. Oh well.

I think it would be great fun to attend a basketball game together next season. We will need our ASOB tee shirts (hint hint Tru ;-)) I feel sure he is still working on that.

Ya’ll have a great day! The sun is shining and Spring is coming shortly.

by kykat51 on Mar 1, 2009 2:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I would like to see Tru or Ken put together an article detailing UK's resume....

as it pertains to the NCAA tournament and where UK stands. The tournament committee looks at several aspects and I would like to see a breakdown of how UK looks in those areas. I can find those things on some sites but they seem to differ in the rankings etc. I am not sure which RPI and SOS rankings they use and whether it is available to the general public for free.

Areas such as:
RPI
Strenght of Schedule
Wins against RPI Top 50 and 100

They also look at last 10 or 12 games annd overall record but that is readily available. In the age of the 64 team tournament, I believe there is no excuse for UK not making the tourney every year (short of major injuries or some sort of probation). I have mentioned this before but making the tourney is very important to me and I can’t believe we even have to have this discussion. Thanks.

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by SevenRings on Mar 1, 2009 3:05 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

UT @ FL

Tennessee leads 59-46.

11 min left in the 2nd half

GBB!!!

by OGETARTS on Mar 1, 2009 3:28 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Just some thoughts

As I have said, this does not bother me at all. BG as tried to be nice in the past, and not call players out, but recently has begun to call out players. I like this, as I feel he is trying to motivate these guys and establish accountability. Also, BG owned up to mistakes like a good coach does. I think he is frustrated that Stevenson, no matter what BG does, will not play a complete game or play with passion.

Also, I was thinking this morning about UK’s record. UK has lost 3 games by a combined 7 points (UL, USC, LSU) and all those loses came with less than 10 seconds on the clock. Those 3 games could have easily gone UK’s way and all this animosity towards BG would not exists. I know, the only stat that matters is wins and loses, but UK has just gotten some bad breaks and loss some close games. This team is better than their record and I feel they will come out and play hard these next 2 games and win both. I also think they can make a run in the SEC tournament. But, only time will tell.

Just a few thoughts,

Lane

P.S. Watching the Celtics vs Pistons and it is nice to see to UK boys on the floor (Rondo and Prince). I loved both of these guys when they were with UK

by Laird on Mar 1, 2009 3:30 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

That Was Also True In 2006 And 2007

Lots of narrow L both seasons. 22-12 or 13 could easily have been 26-9 or 27-8.

You can’t What If your L and not your W. The W over K-St (4 example) could easily have been L too.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 1, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And Florida.

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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 1, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Define ultimately - response

Sooner of later. Eventually. In the end. When all is said is done.

But seriously, Barnhardt does not have that much clout to protect Gillsipie. Gillsipie will be his own undoing. The “friends of the program” are not happy and will not have much patience with this situation, in spite of what some (many?) on here seem to think. The program is too big and too important to the University to allow someone who is clearly not up to the monumental task of leading the UK basketball program to take it down. X’s and O’s aside, his personality, temperment, behavior, etc., will result in his demise.

by BravoBigBlue on Mar 1, 2009 4:05 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Friends Of The Program

Have been unhappy since 1989. Pitino excelled on the court but excluded them from his program and players. Tubby even more so (kept them away). I imagine Gillispie wants little to do with them.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 1, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You couldn't be more right, Forty.

And more power to all three coaches for having the b, er, guts to run the program without interference. On the other hand, both Rick and Tubby were better with the media than BCG. However, I don’t think excluding the fans from the management level necessarily means not letting them in on what you’re trying to do and why. Such an approach wouldn’t give the opposition any more insight into our game plans than they already have.

No moral victories--it's all about Ws and Ls!!!

by oldcat'69 on Mar 1, 2009 5:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Just Win Baby!

This statement by the irrepressible Al Davis is applicable to all sports — with the usual caveat regarding illegalities and rule infractions. Uncle Adolph didn’t have the most pleasing of temperament, personality, behavior, etc. but he is revered. Put UK in The Final Four and maybe a national championship in the next few years and you couldn’t dislodge Gillispie with any instrument short of a legal indictment.

by Wild Weasel on Mar 1, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Uncle Adolph...

Are you serious Wild? Since you grew up in Washington Co., Ky….very doubtful, but it did catch my attention.

I totally agree with the rest of your comment and I do feel the best is yet to come with Coach G at the helm. Just need to channel all the anger out there into patience and I know it is difiicult task for some. But I do believe in our Coach.

by kykat51 on Mar 1, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Serious, Yes. Literal, No

I was a UK student during Rupp years and sat in on some practices but Uncle Adolph is/was a term of endearment; I’m not a relative that I’m aware.

by Wild Weasel on Mar 1, 2009 6:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Friends of the program

The only two guys who have that kind of clout are Bill Gatti and Luther Deaton and neither would ever dream of telling Barnhart or Todd how to run the program.

The boosters you hear complaining, or talking about “throwing around their weight” are in dream-land, and want to project themselves as being “a part” of the program.

Fans of Kentucky, regardless of how well-heeled, are not paid to make hiring/firing decisions. AND FOR GOOD REASON.

The old days, prior to Pitino, are long, long gone. Thank goodness.

by Ken Howlett on Mar 1, 2009 8:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Vols Sweep Gators

UT now tied with USC after holding off UF 79-75. Vols go to USC then host Bama; Gators go to MSU then host Cats.

by Wild Weasel on Mar 1, 2009 4:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Didn't MSU get hammered by AUburn yesterday?

How does that happen? UK can’t beat MSU or USC and yet those teams lose to the likes of Auburn. Just infuriating!

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by SevenRings on Mar 1, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Auburn ...

… matches up really well with MSU. Both small teams that play four perimeter players, and they have very similar styles.

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by Truzenzuzex on Mar 1, 2009 5:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good points

Slidenank’s observations are akin to my own re Porter and Miller. Porter is not a natural point guard. In point of fact, we don’t have a point guard. He is, however, a good player; he should be a shooting guard. Miller will emerge as a good small forward.

by Cattitude on Mar 1, 2009 5:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Friends of The Program

Perhaps I should have said Friends of the University. I am not talking about the hangers on that used to give out $50 handshakes and a car here or there. I am talking about long-time supporters of the University and the Program who are upstanding individuals that give serious support (major $‘s) year in and year out. If you think those people (and I know some) don’t have the same concerns about Gillispie being wrong for the job that a whole lot of the fan base do, then you are naive and very much wrong.

by BravoBigBlue on Mar 1, 2009 6:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yes, I've Heard That, Too

I know a couple myself.

Politely, they need to be patient. IF UK were to change coaches AGAIN just 2 years later, that would do more harm than good.

So long as Gillispie behaves off the court (no drinking, no NCAA issues, etc), he deserves MORE TIME to produce results.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 1, 2009 6:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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