What happened?
by daniel81 on Feb 24, 2009 4:57 PM EST
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To all the talk about the Gophers being the greatest thing since sliced bread? At the first of the year articles abounded comparing Tubby against Billy G, and how great Minnesota was looking. Shouldn't it only be fair to see the same articles printed now that Minnesota is slacking, so much so that many experts say without a strong finish, the Gophers will likely have to win their tourney to get in the Big Dance?
Typical media as it relates to Kentucky. Only interested in a story if it makes us look bad.
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"Typical media as it relates to Kentucky. Only interested in a story if it makes us look bad."
That’s not true. I hear good pub towards UK basketball all the time. It’s just that you don’t like to hear when someone is against the storied powerhouse that UK is. I feel the same way about Alabama in football, but in reality, we get mostly good publicity.
36-0
He has a point
Seth Davis on CBS was touting Tubby as a Coach of the year candidate a few weeks ago. Its hard not to take that kind of stuff personal. You have to admit the media lined up against UK when Tubby left and since then some of them have continued to try and defend their position. A position that is getting harder to defend with each passing week. Minnesota has fallen like a stone since being ranked in Jan. I don’t get any joy out of that but his obervation that their slide has not been a topic of conversation in the media is a fair one.
Fallen Like A Stone? They Are 20-7
If 20-7 is bad, then what is 19-8? REALLy bad?
Gophers are in every mock NCAA field that I’ve seen and generally seed higher than Kentucky.
by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 24, 2009 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
Have to agree with Forty
Minny is 4-4 in their last eight. Same record as UK, and they’ve played arguably better teams.
Why compare them with us?
I thought the discussion was about how much ground they had given up. We lost our first game. We haven’t been ranked or praised nationally for what a great year we were having. If its us vs. them then we both have some work to do to make the tournament.
by Slim Wagers on Feb 25, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Because most UK fans don't think that UK is "slacking."
And UK has the same record over the last 8 games, and lost to arguably less quality teams.
Besides, why are some preoccupied with the press coverage of Minnesota and Tubby.
Tubby used to Coach here
Fans remember how the media treated them when he left. I don’t think they are “preoccupied” but some do find it curious and somewhat confussing to see how the media seems to go out of their way to build him up when he beats inferior teams yet fail to mention when his team fails to live up their expectations. He always seems to get the benefit of the doubt. Is it becasue he is a good guy and has won a national championship or is it media bias against stereotypical UK fans?
Preoccupied
Well, there is a hell of a lot of energy wasted on Minnesota just here at ASOB. This post just being one of many, many, many, many examples.
Who’s fault is it that there exists a supposed " anti-UK media bias?" It ain’t the guy in Minnesota’s fault.
Taking up space on this blog in a sad attempt to put down, or diminish Smith’s alleged accomplishments is the lowest form of discourse, and I’m gettting tired of it, as is Tru.
I think the real paranoia
Lies with you all who are afraid to talk about this stuff. Like it or not, the Tubby story will be a significant part of Kentucky for the next ten years, if not longer. We will be compared against Minnesota, which is fine, but to say Tubby’s story was told the same when he was winning as it is now that his team is sliding, once again, is just being blind to the facts.
Just Not Accurate
I have read numerous stories about how they have slipped over the last month.
And YES, UK should be MUCH BETTER than Minnesota. No doubt about it.
by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 26, 2009 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
The media tends to have an anti-UK bias
Mostly because they are so pro-ACC. Jay Bilas and Seth Davis are Duke homers, Dick Vitale worships at teh feet of Coach K, Jeff Goodman is a Carolina homer, Billy Packer loved the ACC more than his family, Andy Katz just has a general dislike of Kentucky, etc.
It may have ramped up when Tubby quit, but in all of my years as a UK fan from as long as I can remember, the media seems to cringe when they have to say something good about Kentucky. Look at how Woody Paige trashed Jodie Meeks after he scored 54.
I'd hardly put any stock in the opinion of a blowhard like Woody Paige
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
Soon To Follow
Forty alert!!! Stand by and be prepared for the obligatory numerical OTS defense.
Hahaha, exactly what I was going to sat.
by mrmondaynite on Feb 24, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
Certainly
Gillispie has career 63% W-L record overall and 43% in NCAA games. 0 conference tourneys. 1 conference title. 1 Sweet 16 in 7 years. 0 Elite 8. 0 NCAA titles.
Tubby has career 72% W-L record overall and 69% in NCAA games. 5 conference tourney championships and 7 conference titles. 9 Sweet 16 in 17 years. 4 Elite 8. 1 NCAA title.
by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 24, 2009 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
Not Sure What You R Asking
UK won SEC title 4 times in 2000’s.
UK won SECT championship 3 times in 2000’s.
UK made 3 Sweet 16 and 2 Elite 8 in 2000’s.
Tubby is 240-91 in the 2000’s.
by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 25, 2009 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
Sure
Minnesota is 40-21 the past 2 years. 2-2 in postseason games.
Kentucky is 37-21 the past 2 years. 0-2 in postseason games.
Minnesota signed Top 20 class in 2008 and Top 15 in 2009.
Kentucky signed Top 15 class in 2008 and Top 20 in 2009.
Pretty even. When’s the last time Minnesota and Kentucky were even?
by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 24, 2009 9:38 PM EST reply actions
0-2 Vs 2-2 In Postseason Games
No way to spin it. UK gets a F for postseason results in 2008.
by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 25, 2009 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
So you're saying
A couple of measly NIT wins is better than losing to a pretty good Marquette team in the NCAA’s? Haha. You do sound like Tubby’s PR guy.
0-1 In NIT, 2-1 In Big 10 Tourney
Defeated (ranked) IU in B10T – nice W.
by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 25, 2009 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
Dependable
Death, taxes, deficits and Forty.
And This
Pitino, Tubby, Hall, Rupp, even Sutton > Gillispie in terms of career W-L record, NCAA results, conference results, etc.
by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 25, 2009 3:24 AM EST up reply actions
I agree...
someone posted that they see positive media about UK all the time, where? In Kentucky maybe. On a national level I think this holds water.
As for Forty, god man, can you not post without some meaningless numbers to try and make you look right? They are talking about starting 16-1 and since going 4-6. What do you call it? Falling like a feather?
What Do You Call 4 L In SEC Over The Past Month?
I call it poor coaching results.
by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 25, 2009 3:23 AM EST up reply actions
We'll see
In tourney time. We heard all year how great the Big 12 was in football before they ran into SEC schools. I think LSU could beat Mich. State and I think we could beat Purdue.
Big 10 Better Than SEC This Season
SEC is weakest it has been in over 10 years so that’s not saying much.
by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 25, 2009 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
I get so sick of the "Media Bias against UK" paranoia....
UK has not been a Top 25 caliber team for the last 2 years. Are the media supposed to gush when they talk about UK? They say the same things that us fans are saying and that UK is down somewhat and not where we are used to them being (or believe they should be). None of these media guys are going out of their way to disparage UK. You can point to isolated comments and say “see that statement right there proves so and so hates UK.” Or look at where they went to school and make a sweeping generalization that the person is some sort of conference or school homer. The paranoia around UK is bigger than it has ever been.
Too many people see and hear what they want to hear and do not allow for others to have opinions about UK that may hurt their feelings even though they may be true. Yet those same people will go out their way to disparage another school that is obviously having a better season. That is hypocritical.
Slower Traffic Keep Right!
I'm not saying
that the media is “anit-UK” but I am saying that the media does tend to hold UK to a different standard than other teams. Take the young recruiting for example – wasnt a problem till Billy did it and wasnt a problem when Donovan did it after that. The whole moving Big Blue Madness “scandal” was all over the place – ohhh, Kentucky trying to get a unfair recruiting edge, yet Bill Self walks right up and introduces himself to a very highly recruited player and that is just fine and dandy. No, I am not all paranoid that everyone is out to get us, but I dont turn a blind eye to these types of things either.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Feb 25, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
You just described the bias
When you hold one team to a different standard than another, that is bias.
There are facts
Like Minn. started of the season great, certainly deserving of a story. The guys on ESPN loved to mention that. But then there’s no stories about the fact that Tubby’s team is the same as always, decent on defense but can hardly throw the ball in the ocean. Thus the string of losses(or however you want to paraphrase it).
how about...
this one, headlined, Wildcats were witnesses to start of U’s fade :
http://www.startribune.com/sports/gophers/40036022.html
or this one, titled The Problem with the Minnesota Gophers Men’s Basketball Team:
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1510201/the_problem_with_the_minnesota_gophers.html
I found two in about two mintues.
by blue kentucky girl on Feb 26, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
As usual
You miss the point. One of these articles is from Minnesota’s biggest. paper, of course they’re going to attempt to be objective in coverage. The other one is from Associated Content, which is basically a blog site, hardly professional journalism. My point is national and kentucky media…it took me about 10 seconds to write that
okay
The New York Times: “Minnesota has not played well over the last two weeks, as Tubby Smith’s squad is 1-3 in the last four outings.”
http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=nytimes&page=cbask/scores/live/pv39149.htm
CBSSportsline:
“It seemed absurd a month ago, but Minnesota’s NCAA Tournament star might be flickering. Just a few weeks ago, the Gophers seemed like a lock to secure a No. 3 or No. 4 seed. Minnesota is no longer a lock to even make the tournament.”
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/teams/report/MN/11401226
Fox Sports:
“There was a sense after Wednesday’s practice that the University of Minnesota men’s basketball players understand how fragile their NCAA tournament hopes are.”
http://msn.foxsports.com/cbk/story/9266978/NCAA-tournament-crunch-time-for-Gophers-begins-tonight-at-Illinois-U-starts-tonight-?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=99
by blue kentucky girl on Feb 26, 2009 2:31 PM EST reply actions
This from a Wisconsin fan on the site you sent me too
One game – Louisville, and you blew your load…
You lost at all the places we won. Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, etc. All year it was “Tubby to the promised land” step aside Sconnie. You are a 500 team in the big ten. As I stated before WIN something, anything….maybe a Big Ten championship….Then rant to your hearts content. The entire season does not rest on one game….That’s why they play ’em.
I think that pretty much sums up my thoughts
hey, I don't
disagree with you that Minnesota’s not especially good, and that all the earlier positive press was a tad fawning. I just dispute the claim there hasn’t been coverage of their slide—I think there clearly has. Nowof course it’s not as big a story as is was when they were winning, because Minnesota WINNING is a pretty big deal, Minnesota fading down the stretch… not so much.
by blue kentucky girl on Feb 26, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
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