Sunday Wildcat Brunch for February 22nd
by Glenn Logan on Feb 22, 2009 11:47 AM EST
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This morning, the big news is that the Red River Rivalry went in favor of Texas, and Blake Griffin's team finally dropped a game after a long winning streak. Obviously, my comments to the question I asked in the BlogPoll Round Table was wrong, plain and simple. Congrats to the Longhorns, better luck next time to the Sooners.
This, and more, in today's news.
Kentucky Basketball News
- Miller plays like a star. It's nice to see Darius Miller finally play like we all knew he could. I would love to see him sustain that, but history suggests that he will be up and down. But when he is up, UK will be very tough.
- Vinnie Zollo is continuing to improve and beginning to turn some heads.
- Balance is great, but Patterson is critical to UK's success. Patrick was amazing yesterday.
- Pearl says the Vols quit. I would agree they did not play their best, but quit? How do you quit when you have as many offensive rebounds as Tennessee did? Offensive rebounds are the ultimate hustle stat. Did UT get too caught up in defending Meeks? Yes, but they made a decision to let everyone but Meeks beat them, and that's what happened.
I think Pearl is finding that maintaining the underdog role he used so effectively his first few years is hard. Tennessee hasn't been the underdog in the SEC for some time now, and he's kidding himself if he thinks he can turn Tennessee into the Kentucky of the future. Bruce has tried to re-route the SEC through Knoxville, but everyone except him still thinks it goes through Lexington.
Pearl is doing great, but he has to realize one very important thing -- in basketball, Tennessee is not Kentucky. In football, Tennessee is among the legendary programs in the SEC, but it got there by decades of excellence, just as Kentucky did in basketball. Proclaiming yourself the new king of the SEC (yes, I know he has never actually said that, but sometimes what you don't say speaks louder than what you do) denies history, and denies the many decades of Kentucky magnificence. It won't work, can't work, and hasn't worked. - Mark Story apparently takes a shot at the heavily-tatted Vols. Funny. Story notes that UK did not make Meeks available for the post-game press conference, and calls it odd. Not by my lights. Gillispie did not object to Jeannine Edwards' question because he wanted to be hateful. Gillispie genuinely believes that this is a team game, and acted to deliberately thwart an attempt to further lionize Meeks at the expense of the other young men who played so well.
I say, "Well done, Coach." - Everything's better with Patterson. Well, duh! :-) It may seem glaringly obvious, but it does bear saying. There was an upside to Patterson's forced hiatus -- in his absence, Pattersons varied hurts have largely healed. It showed yesterday.
- Gillsipie opening up? Hmmm. Maybe ...
- Tennessee stops Meeks, but not UK.
- Yesterday was Miller time!
- Pearl says his harsh comments are all about " ... honoring the game." Really? I guess I just don't see it.
- The Quad at the New York Times takes note of the UK game yesterday.
- I always said that Gillispie recruited Scotty Hopson half-heartedly. Hopson confirms that in this article. [Via Aaron's UK Blog.]
- Strapless Living is a blog I've never encountered before, apparently run by a young woman who is a UK fan, and who attended the game yesterday. Her observations about adjacent fan behavior are simply priceless. I found myself laughing uproariously through the whole thing. Nice piece of writing there, too.
- Daniel Orton and Jon Hood took in the game yesterday.
Kentucky Football/Other Sports News
- Kentucky vs. Miami of Ohio in Cincinnati next year? It could happen.
- UK ladies travel ot LSU today. Can the Hoops team win one on the road?
NCAA Basketball News
- Stalking Darrin Horn says that South Carolina was not impressive yesterday against the Razorbacks, even though they won.
- Texas defeats Oklahoma. Well, I was wrong about this on in my Round Table comments. An Oklahoma perspective is here.
- Alabama defeats Mississippi State.
- Florida handles Vanderbilt.
- LSU just keeps on rolling. Circle the 28th on your calendar, folks. Biggest game of the year in Rupp Arena, in my opinion.
- UCLA falls yet again, this time at Washington State. The Bruins are fading faster than a spray-on tan.
- North Carolina dropped by the Maryland Terrapins. Ouch.
- Dayton falls to St. Louis.
- In defense of John Pelphrey.
NCAA Football News
- Mountain West is going to push the BCS for a guaranteed bearth. The author of this post seems to think that they have a weak case, and that this is more of a stunt than something likely to happen. I agree with him. The MWC should shut up and win, and maybe they will be taken seriously. One or two teams does not make a BCS conference.
- Heh. Team speed kills.
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Pearl
He coached a terrible game. The guy can recruit and build excitement, but in my opinion is a very average coach.
I can't stand Pearl ...
… but I’m forced to disagree. He is a very good coach, I think, but he has yet to be forced to win games without plenty of talent. I think that’s why he makes some obvious coaching errors which are often hidden by a talented team, and I do believe he needs a rather large dose of humility. Pearl is a little too confident in his own ability, and he’d be a better coach with a little less brash self-confidence and a little more study of the opponent.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Glenn Logan on Feb 22, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Pearl
Jury is out (for me) on his coaching ability at Div I level. Great recruiter, enthusiastic for his program, excellent W-L % record (mostly at lower level) for his career.
Not sure he is cut out for high Div I (BCS) success.
by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 22, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Inflated Ego
I’ve always — at least since he’s been on the national scene — thought that Bruce Pearl possessed narcissistic tendencies. Indications include his penchant for younger women especially his desire to be photographed and publicly associated with such. Painting your middle-age torso orange is another signal. Throwing his players under the proverbial bus is quite typical of a person attempting to deflect antagonistic attention from his own perceived grandeur. I doubt Pearl ever achieves the success he temporarily achieved last season. Tireless self-promotion can carry a person only so far.
He might be good for a midmajor...
but he seems overmatched in the SEC. Reminds me a lot of Dale Brown and Lavin; recruiters who are not very good X and O guys.
Dale Brown
448 W in 25 years at LSU. (Tigers had 288 W and only 2 NCAA appearances in prior 25 seasons).
2 Final 4 appearances. Most W over Kentucky by ANY college coach.
by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 22, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
I have met Bruce Pearl several times...
and he really is not an arrogant person… just an excited one. You can tell when he walks in a room even if your back is to him, he has that kind of energy. UT always stays at our hotel when they play in Nashville, and he makes it a point to talk to everyone… and I mean everyone. I remember saying to him that I wished him luck in his upcoming season, but not too much, as I am UK alum and could not stomach constant losses to Tennessee. When I said Kentucky, his eyes lit up and it looked for a split second, like he was jealous of me. He said to me that there is no greater program in the history of college basketball than UK and that he hopes one day to make a mark one tenth of what Kentucky has made on college basketball. I’ve always admired the guy after that comment… but that said, I hope we kick his ass every time we play him because there is no color more hideous than that weird orangish-yellow.
I need a Sea of Blue because I am surrounded by Tennessee orange!
by sleepytimetea on Feb 23, 2009 1:55 AM EST up reply actions
sleepy
you bring up a great point. I depise that man(in a competitive way) because he dared to take on Kentucky. But you know if he coached at Kentucky I would love it because of the energy he brings. He was what Tennessee needed. Almost like Kiffin challenging Florida. He seems like a really nice guy. I think he has gotten raked over the coals for saying what he said about his players this weekend. Well, sometimes they deserve it. BG has done it too. You can coach but its up to them to carry it out.
I used to think this way
Then I read some of his snarky comments he made about Kentucky residents when he was a coach at a small college in Indiana. Had something to do with him being Jewish. Tru had the link here last year at some point.
He was also pretty slimy tape recording a conversation with a 17 year old kid to try and get another school a recruiting violation.
I wouldn’t trust the man any further than I could throw him. He’s a slippery eel and I certainly wouldn’t trust my daughter around him (if I had one).
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
As a friend of mine said yesterday....
“Nothing sucks like an orange!”
by kentuckygirl0724 on Feb 23, 2009 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
That Oklahoma-Texas game was really good
Even with Griffin not playing much (hope he is okay), it was an exciting game that saw the other two starts (Warren and Abrams) step up and make big plays.
I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra
Griffin looked way out of it last night
after sustaining the concussion. That could keep him out for longer than just last night – I’m thinking of Ramel’s concussion last season.
I still don’t understand where the concussion came from. In the replay, I didn’t see much, if any, contact. Am I missing something?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
Warren
G went after him pretty hard.
I’ve seen them play mutliple times this year, and Warren looks awfully good. He sure would look good in blue and white.
I thought about that too last night
He would be that third piece that UK needs to be good this year. Hopefully Miller can now fill that role consistently.
I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra
Oklahoma
I have watched most all of Oklahoma’s games this year and yes, I also think Willie Warren looks awfully good and he would indeed have looked good in blue and white. Not instead of any of our current freshmen, mind you, but in addition to, of course. : )
Also, I’m not sure how serious our recruitment of him actually was, but weren’t we recruiting Juan Patillo at one point too? Hmm…….
As far as Griffin’s injury, I’m with blbskue, the contact hardly looked severe enough to cause a concussion, but boy-oh-boy did Griffin look rough and totally dazed going into the locker room at the half. My goodness. I did find it curious that he was allowed to watch the second half from the end of the bench, though; I think the locker room would have been a much more appropriate place for him to watch.
wish we could play UT every game!
Seriously, do we just match up well with them or do we play better against UT?
Also, glad Miller had that his break out game vs UT. I have always preferred Miller to Hopson. Hopson will probably be better under Pearl than BCG – so it is best for everyone. just do not want to go through hearing whining about letting Hopson “get away”
by memphis wildcat on Feb 22, 2009 12:59 PM EST reply actions
OU v. UT
I wouldn’t be too hard on myself, Tru. Texas didn’t get the real Oklahoma, with Griffin playing only 11 minutes. That will all change in the Big 12 tournament.
I still can’t believe Arkansas beat both of those teams only 6 or 7 weeks ago.
I don't think you should be hard on yourself either Ken, not for one of Tru's predictions anyway ;-)
I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra
best game OK has played all year...
I know they lost, but I seriously don’t think OK has played a better game this season than last night, and I’ve watched most as well. My best friend is from Yukon, OK, so I am forced to be a pseudo fan. I think last night they proved that they can compete in a hornet’s nest w/o their best player against a very desperate team and seriously challenge for a win. I would be very scared of OK if I were any team going up against them in the tournament. They have much more than just Blake Griffin, as if he weren’t enough.
I need a Sea of Blue because I am surrounded by Tennessee orange!
by sleepytimetea on Feb 23, 2009 2:08 AM EST up reply actions
Even though the Maryland win helps UK
with the all time win record it doesn’t help us on the “bubble watch.”
OK
the Bubble Watch stuff …………Kentucky just needs to win out(and they can) and win the tourney(and they can). Is there a team better then the Cats..I don’t think so(LSU is a question mark though) and I think that Kentucky holds its own destiny. Win and your in. That is it. We are in a good spot right now. WE CONTROL IT!
Strapless Living....
Thanks for the link. That was some good stuff. I liked her dry witty humor. It made me cringe, when she described the insulting fan who sat next to them. What makes someone think that screaming those kinds of hateful and blatantly offensive remarks at a public event is acceptable. Some people are just rubes and dont know to how to act in public. To have such hatred of an opposing team/coach and let it manifest itself into shouting insulting things in public makes me wonder about people and what is going on in their life that would make them be so disrespectful. I like good natured ribbing but sometimes people take things sooooo seriously that they lose their mind. Get a Life!
Slower Traffic Keep Right!
Strapless Living
As Tru points out the writing is very good, but the thoughts are naive.
Must have been the first UK game she’s attended, because what she is describing is tame, no make that very, very tame to some of the, uhh … suggestions I’ve heard in Rupp Arena. “Suggestions” pointed toward the UK coach, the opposing coach, the zebras, any player not wearing home white, and any player wearing home white who isn’t performing up to the expectations of said fan.
But, she has a cool blog.
Anybody watching Celtics-Suns?
Rondo is absolutely taking Nash to school. 28 pts, 6 boards, 8 assists early in the third quarter.
I hope I didn’t just jinx the rest of the game…
I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra
Up to 30, 6, and 10 now. Wow.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
He's so good...
but he kills my fantasy team with turnovers sometimes.
by mrmondaynite on Feb 22, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
I never worry about turnovers
I play in a couple of head-to-head leagues, so maybe that’s different. I’ve got Rondo in both leagues and he does so many other things well that I ignore the turnovers.
I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra
This is the first year I've played in a league
where TOs can count against you; they’re weighted heavier as they pile up, also. Needless to say, I hate it.
by mrmondaynite on Feb 22, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
Ah, that would make a difference
They count the same as any other category in my leagues. Are you in a “points” league or one where you are trying to win categories?
I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra
The one where TOs count would fall under the "points" category.
I’m doing poorly in that league. My other league is categories (FG, FT, REB, PTS, AST, STL, BLK, 3PTM); I love that setup.
by mrmondaynite on Feb 22, 2009 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
Unfortunately I don't have him in my other league
where TOs don’t matter.
by mrmondaynite on Feb 22, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
that Darius Miller looked good. Its good to see a Mr. Kentucky basketball player PLAY for Kentucky and do well! I think the most exciting thing is that he isn’t the only candiate for that third scorer. I think Galloway(what happened to him yesterday) can be also. I love that I hope that the formula has been found for defeating the rest of our games. I am so excited to see if it works.
Galloway Is Passer, Not A Scorer
Few KY Mr Basketball have signed with UK since 1986-87-88 (Rex, Pelphrey, Farmer).
Only Josh Carrier (2001), Brandon Stockton (2002), and Miller (2008).
Pitino never signed KY Mr Basketball either at UK (1990-97) or Louisville (2002-09).
by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 22, 2009 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
Ok
why do you feel the need to correct people like this? Just wondering? Does it take away from the fact that its nice to see Mr.Kentucky basketball playing for Kentucky and doing well?
And, on the Galloway not a scorer. Suprising to hear you say that…………can he be a Meeks? No, that is not his position. Can he shoot? Yes he can. Again, that is just silly to say that he cannot be a shooter.
Offering My Thoughts
1 – hard for KY Mr Basketball to do well at UK when only 3 of them have signed at UK in past 20 years.
2 – Galloway was not a shooter or scorer in HS, JuCo, or at any of his Div I stops (USC, Fresno St = DNP, or UK).
by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 22, 2009 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
The Bard Has The Answer
The answer to your questions, tenken, were provided by William Shakespeare:
"Give you a reason on compulsion! If reasons were as plentiful as blackberries, I would give no man a reason upon compulsion, I."
but
was I complaining or trying to make a nice comment? It wasn’t supposed to be a debate point.
Again on Galloway………..is his main purpose a shooter? NO! Can he shoot when Meeks is guarded………YES! My whole point is that we have shooters and its good to see. That is it. No debate on this needed.
This Is A Blog
People post thoughts, ideas, opinions.
You posted yours. I posted mine. Not right or wrong, just different.
I don’t Galloway as a shooter. Decent scorer on fast break. Never been a shooter, anywhere.
by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 22, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
This is true
that this is a blog…….but sometimes there is a point where people come off as arrogant and trying to show off. I mean my comment had no invitation for debate or question. No kind of tone for it. I am impressed with your stats knowledge. I really am. I just think it goes overboard sometimes.
When you say there is no right or wrong……..your comments come off as trying to prove my comments wrong. If there is no right or wrong why are trying to make others look wrong?
It's A Blog
Your invitation came as I Think…
Twice, as a matter of fact.
Your second paragraph is a Non Sequitur.
by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 22, 2009 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
Tenken - i said it once and i'll say it again -
i have a love/hate relationship with 40 – i love it when he responds to someone else’s post and i hate it when he responds to mine :)
by memphis wildcat on Feb 22, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
You're seeing a slight where there is none
That was just some information not delivered at all in a mean spirited way. I was interested to know our UK Mr. Basketball statistics, for one. The fact that Galloway doesn’t have a history as a scorer is also valid (and relevant) information.
Sometimes 40 goes overboard but this was not one of those times.
This is a public forum for all of us. It’s not fair to say “you can’t respond to my comments” to 40 or anyone. By definition, if you’re posting it, there is a reply button and we’re all free to reply.
Yes
we all are. But I think that I respectfully said that there really wasn’t a comment to argue about. I mean good gracious. If someone makes an observation about something…….then someone tries to knock down that observation with stats……to me I am like “what is the point?”. It become condescending.
Just to add to all this hullaballoo (sp?)
Tenken’s original post on this topic posited that Galloway could be a “scorer,” not a “shooter.” There’s a difference. Galloway has shown an ability to get to the rim and to finish, which is lacking in just about everyone on this team with the exception of Meeks, Patterson, and to some extent, Miller.
Will he ever be a shooter? Doubtful. I’m not sure I’ve seen him take a jump shot. Given more PT, can he get to the rim and finish for 8-12 PPG? Sure, why not? I really don’t care about his stats from USC or JUCO – he has proven with limited playing time that he can slash and finish. He’ll never be a 20 PPG player, but with 20-25 minutes per game, I think he could be counted on for 8-12 points.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
His Record (HS, JuCo, College) Shows Passer, Not Scorer
Even in HS, he averaged 17 pts and 11 assists per game.
by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 23, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Two things:
1. Like you said, he averaged 17 PPG in high school – how is that not scoring?
2. See my below post. So what. I don’t care what those records show. In the past 3-4 games he has shown an ability to get to the rim and score. Given more playing time, I think he could score 8-12 PPG with no problems. Again, just because past stats don’t show a propensity for scoring doesn’t mean he’s not capable of it.
At the JUCO level, he may not have been asked to score. Here, this season (and next), we will need scoreres at UK. He has shown he can slash and put it in the basket. Thus, he has the potential to be a 8-12 PPG scorer.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
I should add
that he’s also shown an ability to grab O rebounds and score on put-backs.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
He Was PG On His JuCo Team
They scored well over 100 ppg (average) and he scored 8 ppg.
His passing was remarkable in JuCo play.
by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 23, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
17 PPG In HS = Not A Scorer
HS scorers average 25-30 ppg typically.
Michael Porter had very similar stats to Galloway in HS. Is he a scorer? (No, I say)
Galloway would do wonders for the UK offense but scoring would be done by others.
by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 23, 2009 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
NP. 40's stats
are helpful a lot of the time, but sometimes you need to do a little more analysis that goes beyond stats. The fact that Galloway did this or did that in high school, at USC, or in JUCO, is really only relevant to show where he might be most likely to excel now (i.e., assists, etc.). The fact that he may or may not have shown an ability to score in the past doesn’t mean he isn’t able to do so now. His offensive output in limited playing time situations has been impressive, and shows that he has the ability to score, albeit without “shooting.”
I thought your opinion on Galloway was spot on, but debating 40 can become frustrating. I thought my “outside-the-debate” analysis could help a little.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
Galloway Would Greatly HELP UK Score But He Would Do So By Passing
With a more active PG, the other 4 UK players on the court become better scorers.
by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 23, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
I never said, anywhere, that he isn't more valuable
setting others up for scoring opportunities. It doesn’t change the fact that he’s capable of 8-12 PPG, and THAT would be helpful too. 8-12 PPG does not make him a leading scorer. It doesn’t make him that mythical third scorer either. It’s a solid contribution. He can score 8-12 and have 5 assists.
I just don’t get your point on this, 40. Mine (and tenken’s) point is that Galloway has the ability (and has shown it) to put up some points. You state that he is a passer, not a scorer, and then cite his past stats. To that I again say, so what? Just because he’s a good passer has no bearing on whether he can also score, and the fact that he didn’t score a lot in JUCO or high school also no bearing on his potential to score now.
He’s only played more than 10 minutes in two SEC games (he played 10 minutes exactly in 2 as well). In those two games:
Florida: 25 minutes, 6 points on 3-5 FG (0.24 points/minute)
Vandy: 30 minutes, 9 points on 4-6 FG (0.3 points/minute).
From those two games, the only games he’s really seen significant PT lately, he’s averaging 0.27 points per minute. For 30 minutes per game average, thats 8.1 PPG.
My point – give him more PT, he can score 8-12 PPG. He also had 9 and 3 assists in those two games, respecitvely, so no there is no reason he can’t average 8-12 PPG and 4-6 assists per game. This is all within the realm of possibility, easily, with more PT.
And really, Gillispie hasn’t been playing him at PG much lately.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
Ky Mr Basketball
I think when someone says I think they are saying, “In my opinion…”
I think Ky Mr. Basketball not playing at Kentucky has been more a testament of talent (Or lack thereof ) than lack of any coaches ability to keep players in state. Lofton was the only Div I talent since 89. Also, Lofton was not considered that good until after he got to Tenn. He was undersized.
I don’t think tenken was saying anything other than it is nice to see a in state player playing well.
Just as I was getting ready to make a comment that Forty was simply producing facts for conversation, he proves tenken correct by nitpicking his grammer with the “Non Sequitur” comment.
I think it reached a logical and truthful conclusion.
It Means "I Don't Understand What U Meant"
If I did, I’d have replied.
by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 22, 2009 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
They Do Not
Non sequitur = I don’t follow what you meant. That’s what NS means.
My comments are different than yours, not right or wrong.
by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 22, 2009 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
Fair Enough
Galloway. 17 ppg as HS senior. 12 ppg as HS junior. 3 ppg as college frosh at USC. 8 ppg as JuCo soph. 2 ppg as UK junior.
If he is a Shooter, it is not evident from his HS, JuCo, or college career.
He’s a good player, no doubt. But good shooter, no evidence of that.
by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 22, 2009 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
Re: LyricSmith
I think I misunderstand, but just to clear up — “Lofton was the only Div I talent since ’89.”
Are you saying that you think Lofton was the only KY Mr. BB since ’89 that was DI worthy?
That's How I Took It But
Allan Houston (89), Dwayne Morton (90), and several others in the early 90’s were high Div I players.
by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 23, 2009 6:39 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah ...
… Jermaine Brown played at Tennessee, Tick Rogers had a nice career at UL, Jason Osborne had a nice career at UL before he quit going to class, Charles Thomas played at Minnesota for Haskins, Daymeon Fishback played at Auburn, JR VanHoose had a good career at Marshall, Scott Hundley played at Vandy, Ross Neltner originally went to LSU, then transferred to Vandy and had a good jr and sr year.
Rick Jones probably would have had a good career at Vandy, but …
Elton Scott was a definite DI player, but …
Brandon Davenporty was the only one of those guys who probably wasn’t a mid to high major player. He went to Morehead, but transferred.
Jermaine Brown
Son of Darrell Griffith, in case you didn’t know.
by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 24, 2009 6:36 AM EST up reply actions
You know ...
… I vaguely remember hearing about Griffith having a son playing in Louisville … but it’s been quite a while back, and I didn’t link Brown with Griffith.
Busy As 15 Year Old (Griffth 1976, Brown 1991)
Dirk Minniefield had 3 children before he suited up at UK but none panned out as basketball players.
by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 24, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
Well Yes
That is what I meant sort of. I could have probably have said it better by sayin Major Div I , as in UK-level, talent. Taking another look at the list and I must admit I saw a few more that were close if not qualified like the ones Forty mentioned below. However, if you compare the needs of UK versus the talent available then I think that keeps the spirit of my statement, though admittedly not completely accurate, in tact.
"Major Div I, as in UK-level, talent"
On that we can agree.
Neltner is the only one of that group that could have been a positional help to UK. He would have filled the void left by Chuck Hayes very nicely.
Him and Randolph Morris playing together would have been nice (no offense to Sheray Thomas or Bobby Perry).
KY Mr Basketball
Mike Casey. Jimmy Dan Conner. Jack Givens. Dirk Minniefield. Winston Bennett. Rex Chapman. John Pelphrey. Richie Farmer.
In the 43 years I’ve followed UK recruiting, those are the only KY Mr Basketballs who had UK caliber results at Kentucky.
UK has only signed Mr Basketball about 30% of the years since 1956. Billy Ray Lickert was the first one signed by UK.
by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 22, 2009 9:20 PM EST reply actions
Dream Team of Mr KYs
Wow, listing those names together and I got to thinking what a team it would be to have all the Ky Mr Basketballs that played on UK together!
Mr. Basketball
Obviously if Josh Stockton and Josh Carrier were Mr. Basketballs that title is no real indicator of success in Division I basketball. It seems to be hit or miss. Chris Lofton was obviously good and Darius Miller seems to be also. Other than that, I would say that just being deemed Mr. Basketball means nothing more than your success in high school ball.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Feb 22, 2009 10:19 PM EST reply actions
That's The Intent Of Mr Basketball Award
It honors the #1 player in HS in the state THAT year.
by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 22, 2009 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
Forty
Seriously. Do you like any of us?
by kentuckygirl0724 on Feb 22, 2009 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
I Agreed With Your Point
My post and your last sentence make the identical point.
Sheesh.
by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 22, 2009 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry Forty
a little sensitive tonight. Nothing personal. I get what you were saying. Not you. Me. My sincere apology. Things just not so great right now. Sorry. Really.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Feb 23, 2009 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
This is a good comment
Sometimes we make mistakes and read things differently than they’re meant. So much is lost in the translation to text and back, it’s easy to do. We really need to be aware of it. It’s tough to admit you’re wrong, so props to Tink for doing so. The best thing to do is this, just accept something got lost in the translation and move on and have a good day.
Hope things get better for you, Tink.
Go Cats!
did anyone watch that Duke/Wake Forest game tonight
and get the feeling we could not hang with either of those teams, even if Jodie hit 54 and Patterson had 25 and 20 rebounds? I have never seen shooting like that… I don’t think. Duke had scored over 50 and there were still 2 minutes left in the first half. I seriously believe UK has much more potential than what they’ve shown this year, but both teams tonight put on a shooting clinic that I don’t think we could hang with. I would love to be proven wrong though!
I need a Sea of Blue because I am surrounded by Tennessee orange!
I haven't seen Wake play much this season, but,
re: Duke – I think we could hang with them. When they’re firing on all cylinders and hitting shots, yes, they’re very hard to play with, but same as Mississippi State was tough to hang with when they don’t miss shots.
I’ve also seem Duke play some very mediocre games. They are a lot like Louisville in the fact that if the shots aren’t falling for them, they don’t adjust well and take it to the rim. I think if we played Duke 10 times this season, we could win 3 or 4, which about the same number I’d say we could beat a team like Louisville. Duke is a superior team, no doubt, but we could run with them.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
That post is so wrought with grammar and spelling issues, I'm not even going to try to correct it. I'll just blame it on the early hour. . .
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
By "that post," I meant my own response, not sleepytimetea's original post. Shew.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
It depends...
Both teams have shown a weakness over the course of the season as it pertains to defense. Get two teams together who don’t play defense and you can get a result like that.
Both teams are better than Kentucky though.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
well
that and the fact that Duke’s defense was some of the best I have EVER seen, even out Pitino’s Bambinos. I mean my goodness they created so many turnovers in the first half. Duke went up by 22 with like six minutes left. Then Wake’s coach calmed them down and got it down to 11. I think Wake got it within 3 before Duke started securing the lead with just about four minutes left. Henderson was in a rare zone last night. Singler is an amazing player too. Can we hang with Duke……I think so. They get all nervous with good defense. Wake is another story though……………not sure we can handle their quick guards.
Disagree on Duke
I’ve seen both teams in person once and on TV several times. I think Wake would be a really tough matchup for the Cats because of their frontcourt depth and Jeff Teague – I’m not sure UK has anyone who could even really contain him.
Duke OTOH is not anywhere near as good as they looked yesterday. I have no doubt UK would beat them if they met in the tournament. They have no answer for Patterson and nobody who could guard Jodie.
Both teams shot the ball well last night as occasionally happens from time to time, but it shouldn’t be seen as any kind of indication of their true talent.
I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra
JL
I think your right…I was just talking about last night. Wake almost beat them last night on getting the ball inside. It was a good adjustment by Wake’s coach.
Duke has a real weakness inside
And Wake is a very inside-oriented team, they don’t attempt many 3’s and Teague is the only guy I would really be concerned with taking outside shots, but he is also really good at putting it on the floor and driving. And you are absolutely correct about last night – once Wake stopped turning the ball over and going inside they got right back into the game.
I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra
wouldn't you know
that Joe Lunardi(I know I probably didn’t spell that right) put us this morning at a number 7 seed against Wake!!! Ugggggggg!!!
KSR
If what I read on KSR is right, that was ESPN generally and not Lunardi specifically. I like the seven seed (better than a lower one, anyway), but not the potential matchups in this particular bracket. I think Dayton is a potential upset in the first round, then if seeding held (except UK), we’d get Wake, Marquette, and UConn. Ick.
I double
checked after I saw your post and it is Lunardi or at least Bracketology. Like you said……ewwww! I am suprised though that North Carolina is not in Greensboro or even that Duke is there. I hope that Kentucky somehow gets in the South bracket and has to play in Memphis in the sweet 16. I may have to go visit Fedex Forum :). Another observation. He has Duke as a three seed. Ouch! Also, we are now that top seed out of the SEC. Tennessee at 9 or 8 think.
Duke/UNC
Well, it is just a mock bracket. In the real thing, UNC and/or Duke will be in Greensboro. Book it. It always happens.
Wake, Marquette, and UConn
NOT good.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Feb 23, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
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