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UK Basketball: It's a 40 Minute Game

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After a lava-hot 5-0 start to their SEC schedule, the University of Kentucky basketball team finds themselves coming back-to-the-pack, courtesy of shaky decision-making, and stretches of incompetent play, in two straight games now; the latest, UK's 78-77 loss to South Carolina.  Maddening to most fans is the fact that we are in early February, a time when mental mistakes should be limited, player's roles should be more readily apparent, and games that UK should win, should be won.

Not so with this group, though.  Once again, a mental and physical lapse lasting just under six minutes in the second half, and a player freelancing at a critical juncture, cost UK a much needed home-court victory.  Couple those mistakes with UK's 21 turnovers, and a second consecutive loss to a less talented team is the result.

On to the wreckage ...

14:39 to 8:46 of the Second Half

UK was up 54-44.  The boys in blue had momentum, the home crowd, and two of the best three players on the court.  But all of those advantages weren't enough to overcome the total lack of cohesiveness, toughness, and smarts displayed by the home team:

Star-divide

 

  • 14:39 --  After a Michael Porter turnover, UK's loss began to unfold with yet another offensive rebound for USC (one of 18 on the day).  This one a Mike Holmes rebound off a Brandis Raley-Ross missed 3-point attempt.  Five seconds later Zam Fredrick nailed a trifecta, with barely an effort to defend by Kentucky.  Fredrick's 3-pointer made the score 54-47, UK.
  • 13:32 -- After a Patrick Patterson dunk, Fredrick, again a lonely man standing beyond the arc, swished another 3-pointer, making the score 56-50, UK.
  • 12:39 -- After two Patterson free throws made the score 58-50, South Carolina decided to perform an offensive rebounding drill in the middle of the game.  How dare they!  Five consecutive offensive rebounds ensued, culminating in a Sam Muldrow tip-in at the 12:28 mark.  That basket brought the Gamecocks within 58-52.
  • 12:15 -- A Patterson turnover led to a made Devan Downey 3-pointer.  Score it: UK 58, SC 55.
  • 11:52 -- Jodie Meeks missed a 3-point attempt, Carolina snagged the rebound, leading to a Fredrick missed shot in the lane, but Austin Steed gets the offensive rebound, leading to a Downey made jumper.  UK's lead is now one, 58-57.
  • 10:38 -- A  Meeks turnover led to a Downey layup.  SC now has the lead, 59-58.
  • 10:17 -- A turnover (an offensive foul) on DeAndre Liggins led to a made Fredrick layup, growing the Gamecocks lead to 61-58.
  • 9:50 -- A Patterson turnover miraculously led to zero points for Carolina.  On the Carolina miss, Liggins grabbed the defensive rebound ...
  • 9:06 -- ... only to turn it back over to SC six seconds later.  The result; a made Downey jumper at the 8:46 mark, and a 63-58 Carolina lead. 

Recapping the Carnage

From 14:39 to the 8:46 mark of the second half (5:53), UK's production both offensively and defensively, were lacking to an extraordinary degree.  The numbers tell the sad tale:

Points scored -- UK 4, USC 19

Shots taken -- UK 2, USC 16 (SC made 8 of 16 shots from the field; 3 of 6 from beyond the arc)

Rebounds -- UK 1, USC 8

Offensive Rebounds -- UK 0, USC 7 (SC grabbed 87.5% of their offensive rebound opportunities)

Turnovers -- UK 6, USC 0 (SC committed only 3 turnovers in the final 15 minutes of the game)

Points off TO's -- UK 0, USC 9

Second-chance points -- UK 0, USC 7

UK goes from up 10 points, to down five points in less than six minutes.  Now that takes talent.

Effort and Focus for Forty

For 34 minutes and seven seconds of Saturday's game, UK played well enough to win, outscoring SC by 14 points.  A look at the other relevant stats, minus the offending 5:53, and one cringes with regret:

Points scored -- UK 73 , USC 59

Shots taken -- UK 46, USC 60

Rebounds -- UK 39, USC 27

Offensive rebounds -- UK 9, USC 11

Turnovers -- UK 15, USC 10

Points off TO's -- UK 15, USC 17

Second chance points -- UK 7, USC 14

FG% -- UK 54.3, USC 40.0

But the game isn't 34 minutes and seven seconds long.  It's 40 minutes long, and has been for as long as I can remember. 

Perry Stevenson Makes a Decision

With 3.2 seconds left on the clock Saturday, Billy Gillispie called the same inbounds play that he called against Georgia in last years SEC Tournament: Basically, he wanted to cause a Carolina defender to charge into Jodie Meeks (who was standing along the baseline) prior to the ball being thrown into play, resulting in a foul on the Gamecocks, and free throws for UK.  If the Carolina player didn't charge into Meeks, Stevenson was to call another time-out.

Instead, when the set-play failed to produce the desired result, Stevenson threw the ball in to Meeks anyway.  Meeks managed a decent 40 foot attempt, but in 3.2 seconds, a much better play can be designed.

Stevenson explained that he thought Meeks "could get the ball to half-court."  He didn't elaborate further, but I assume Perry thought Meeks would call a timeout once he reached mid-court.

We'll never know what would have happened if Stevenson had called the timeout as instructed ... but it would have been nice to see a designed play.

Gillispie's Folly

Billy Gillispie's now infamous decision to use Jodie Meeks to guard USC mighty-mite Devan Downey is puzzling to me also.  The combo of Liggins, Kevin Galloway, and Ramon Harris did a great job on the ever-elusive guard in the first half (2 of 8 shooting), but Gillispie thought mixing up the coverage would be beneficial.  Well, in hind-sight that gamble didn't pay-off for the Texan (8 of 13 second half shooting).

I don't have anything inspired or earth-shattering to write here: just stick with what works.  Besides, in my opinion, unless absolutely necessary, UK doesn't need their only three-point threat (and leading scorer) chasing the 5'9" Downey all over the floor.  That only wears out his legs, which could result in poor shooting late in the game.

Addendum: Gillispie thought Meeks gave Downey too much room to operate in the final seconds of the game.  I thought Meeks defended Downey well, the kid just made a great shot.

Stats to Ponder

How can UK lose a game at home when they shoot 52.1%?  They shot a Villanova-like 66.7% in the second half ... and lost the game.

Well, allowing one's opponent to score 26 points off turnovers is a great way to negate an excellent shooting percentage ... allowing one's opponent to score 21 second chance points is a proven method of balancing-out an excellent shooting percentage ... allowing one's opponent to put up 28 more shots is a sure way to offset an excellent shooting percentage ... allowing one's opponent to grab offensive rebounds at a 41.0% clip (18 off. reb's on 44 missed shots) is an exceptional way to minimize an excellent shooting percentage.

Shoot 52.1% at home and lose ...

Final Analysis 

This is a young team I realize, but we're in February now, and it's time for the team to grow up and play like collegians.  Whether their basketball IQ is lacking, or they lose focus because of their tender age ... I don't know why, nor do I care why, but someone has to step up and take charge.  And by "take charge" I mean, kick some tail; Gillispie, Cyprien, Webster, Patterson, Meeks, somebody has to take control of this team, and rein in the immature and uneven performances that we've been witnessing.

If they're being handled with kid gloves, then take the gloves off, and convince this team that playing carelessly, and/or lackadaisically will not be tolerated.  Conversely, if Gillispie and his staff are being overly hard on this group, then maybe they need to ease up a bit.  I don't know, but I do know what they're doing at the present is not working. 

Because, when all the fat is boiled away, that's what Gillispie is left with; a team still committing the same silly, thoughtless errors that they were committing in November.

Thanks for reading and Go 'Cats!

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This loss was a big step backwards

and as of today,UK is a bubble team at best.UK RPI is 66,and 5 SEC teams have a higher RPI.UK would be 6th team in,and no way SEC gets 6 bids.SEC will get 3,maybe 4 bids.This will be a year in the SEC where 10 conference wins will not automatically get you in the NCAA.

by -Zoso- on Feb 2, 2009 6:45 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Not A Bubble Team

RPI not as important as it was.

UK needs 22 or 23 W (regular season) for certain NCAA bid.

by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 2, 2009 7:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not a Bubble Team?

According to your numbers, 22 or 23 (regular season) wins would put us at either 11-5 or 12-4 in the SEC. Isn’t that precisely the point Zoso made by saying 10 SEC wins doesn’t guarantee a bid?

by Clay Mason on Feb 2, 2009 9:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We aren't a bubble team ... yet.

But another loss at home anytime soon, and we might be.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Feb 2, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Zoso

If you pay attention to such things: Lunardi has UK as a 6 seed, and five SEC teams in the Tournament — UK, UFA, LSU, UT, and S. Carolina.

by Ken Howlett on Feb 2, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

For once...

I agree with Forty. When the dust settles, this team will have enough wins to get in the tournament. That said, I remain somewhat befuddled by the overwhelming sentiment expressed on this site that UK was the more talented team on Saturday and that USC’s win was a major upset. Folks, USC came into the game with a slightly better record and a slightly higher RPI. Also, if you accept the adage that guards win championships in basketball, USC came into Saturday’s game with far superior guards. Add all of this up, and you get a not unexpected victory for the better team. We can break down stats, second guess our coaches, and immerse ourselves in historical facts and figures all we want, but at the end of the day, the easiest explanation for this team’s struggles is that we do not have a legit point guard…period. If we did, this team would be downright scary for most opponents. However, we have only Porter, who is too slow and generally too unreliable to handle most SEC caliber PG’s, and the mercurial Liggens, who seems to possess a wealth of talent, but also seems better suited for a different position on the floor to take advantage of his size and ability to drive to the basket. Forty can help me out here, but I am struggling to recall a modern-day Kentucky team that was as lacking as this year’s team at the PG position. This deficiency, I believe, will doom us to a low seed and early exit from this year’s tournament. Of course, I could be wrong and, for all of you die hard fans out there, I hope I am. However, I just don’t see Porter and Liggens leading this year’s team deep into the tournament.

By the way, congrats to Vince and all the other Steeler fans on last night’s victory.

by tooblue on Feb 2, 2009 8:40 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Using any yardstick one would like ...

… other than Downey, UK has superior overall talent to that of USC.

UK has two potential All-America players in the starting lineup — SC has none.

UK has one of the best shot-blockers in the nation — SC does not.

UK does have point guard issues, but that’s not what lost this game.

UK lost to a far inferior Ole Miss squad, and a slighly inferior USC team (in my opinion) because they failed to play a 40 minute game. Even taking all of UK’s issues into consideration, they still win if they play a complete game, as my above stastistical breakdown suggests.

by Ken Howlett on Feb 2, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You are correct

I checked the 7 players who logged the most minutes for both teams on scout.com to see where they were rated coming out of high school. We all know that’s not an infallible metric but it does tell us something. Of the 7 players who actually saw double figure minutes it breaks down like this.

UK: 1-5, 4-4’s, 1-3, 1-2
SC: no 5’s, 5-4’s, and 2-3’s.

There was a difference in the starters. SC put 5-4’s on the floor while UK had a 3 (Harris) and a 2 (Porter).

by Danvillecat on Feb 2, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Blue Prism Effect

Or perhaps it’s a tragic but not uncommon case, somewhat isolated to The Commonwealth, of tritanopia. Discounting the “two potential All-Americans” it’s quite easily discerned by even the casual observer that the starting lineup including Stevenson, Porter and Harris is talent-challenged vis a vis most of the SEC teams and especially compared to nationally rated squads. Take the two bellwethers off the squad and it doesn’t compare favorably with Butler, St. Mary’s, Davidson, Baylor, you get the point. Did it ever occur to you that the rudimentary reason for the absence of a consistent 40 minutes is that the lack of talent eventually rears its head?

by Wild Weasel on Feb 2, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"Discounting the two potential All-Americas" -- Why? They are on the team.

And I wouldn’t include Stevenson in the “talent-challenged” category.

And no, it never occurred to me that the reason for the “absence of a consistent 40 minutes is a lack of talent eventually rears its head.” Usually, when such an ailment occurs, it is due to youth, resulting in a lack of focus.

by Ken Howlett on Feb 2, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Coach Picks The Starters

He chooses to keep more talented players (Miller, Liggins) than Harris and Porter seated for much of the game. And Galloway seated for MOST of the game.

Perhaps the Talent Challenge wears a suit and tie rather than UK uniform.

by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 2, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"Perhaps the Talent Challenge wears a suit and tie rather than UK uniform"

Was that statement really supposed to be a joke? Wow. I actually thought it was kind of lame and found no humor whatsoever in that statement. I guess I should have my sense of humor checked, huh?

I know someone stated something similar to what I’m about to write the other day on another thread (Fortunatus?), but since I totally agree with the sentiment, I’m going to repeat it here. : )

Yes, Coach Gillispie ultimately picks the starters and decides who gets the majority of the playing time. But, I am of the opinion that the privilege of starting and playing time is based solely on the players’ ability to follow the rules that the coaching staff has set. The players who follow the rules and are where they are supposed to be at all times are rewarded with the starting spot and the most playing time. So basically, what I’m trying to say, is that I think that by either following the rules or not following the rules the players are in effect deciding for themselves on the starting spots, first off the bench spots and the amount of minutes they play.

I think we all know who the most talented players on our current roster are and we all have our "wish list" of who we would like to see get the starting spots and who we would like to see log the most minutes (myself included) but the reality is that until those players learn to play by and follow the rules, I sincerely have my doubts about ever seeing my "wish list" come to fruition this year. While it’s incredibly frustrating that we don’t have the most talented players out on the floor at all times, I think the current coaching staff’s philosophy is to treat everyone on the team the same no matter the talent level. Yeah, as a fan, the fact that the coaching staff has a plan and refuses to deviate from the plan with regards to playing time really sucks, but the plan isn’t going to change anytime soon and I’m not really sure it should. Rewarding someone with starting or with major minutes just because they have more talent certainly does not send a positive message to the team as a whole.

by BigSkyCat on Feb 2, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Go on girl!!

We must have the same sense of humor because I found ZERO humor in that comment as well.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Feb 2, 2009 4:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Failed Humor

Nothing is so pathetic and actually embarrassing as failed humor. Wait, maybe there is, failed sarcasm. As a person wiser than I once stated: If your lens is prejudice, you’re wearing the wrong prescription. Prejudice against the current coach as a perceived threat to his predecessor fosters such hapless, humorless comments.

by Wild Weasel on Feb 2, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not Intended As Either

Gillispie decides who starts, not the players.

There appear to be more talented players on the bench.

Nothing to do with a former coach.

The CURRENT coach is 34-19 (64). UK averages 76 all-time.

If he started more talented players, perhaps he would be closer to 76% mark.

by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 2, 2009 5:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

How do you figure that? I hope, sincerely, that wasn’t directed at anyone in here.

Look arguably it is the guy with the suit is the one who is “talent challenged.” Actually, I think “talent” is the wrong word, but make no mistake, Gillispie has not distinguished himself as a coach in the last two games — at least not in my opinion. I thought he did OK in the Ole Miss game, but several of his decisions seem questionable to me. Many more seem questionable in the South Carolina game.

Look, I like Gillispie, but that doesn’t mean he as a great coach. He is certainly good, but we have almost all bemoaned his curious decision making. He has admitted getting lost in games and forgetting people on the bench. Can he be a great coach? I don’t know, I sure do hope so. But right now, I think there is a strong argument that at least one and perhaps as many as three of our losses are primarily attributable to his coaching, or lack thereof. To be fair, I think at least two victories would likely not have happened under many other coaches, so there’s that.

I think the jury is still very much out on our coach. He has a long way to go, but just like the team, as long as he continues to develop, he will have my support.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Feb 2, 2009 5:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, I Supported Eddie Sutton (As A Fan) In 1989

And certainly support Gillispie as UK coach.

He’s unproven at the UK level. He is a very promising (young) coach.

by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 2, 2009 10:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nope

The coach determines who play, particularly who starts.

If someone perceives Porter, Harris, and/or Stevenson SHOULDN’T start, that would be Gillispie’s decision (not theirs).

by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 2, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: BigSkyCat and et al

I’ve been following UK BB since the mid-70’s and in that time every coach who has ever had the pleasure of leading the
’Cats has had their player rotation questioned at some point and time.

It’s not blasphemy, nor in bad taste to question a coaches decisions … that’s just apart of being a fan.

Perhaps some are a bit sensitive to questioning G at this particular time, but it is to be expected when the team loses two straight to teams they should have beaten.

Big Sky — I’m not sure what you mean when you write, " … until those players learn to play by and follow the rules …" — I’m not aware of any player breaking any team rules which would necessitate a benching.

Although I disagree with just about everything you wrote, you presented your argument in a very thoughtful, and civil manner. For that you are to be commended, because I know it can be hard to contain one’s vitriol when one disagrees with another’s statements, especially when it pertains to something as passion-inducing as UK BB.

by Ken Howlett on Feb 2, 2009 10:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, but what fun would it be if we agreed all the time, right? : )

I should definitely be included in the "some" who are sensitive to the criticism of Coach Gillispie. You see, I have a secret; I have liked Coach Gillispie since before he came to UK, and I will like him long after he is gone. : )

But, I also want to say that I don’t think questioning the Coach is blasphemy nor do I think that Coach Gillispie is above having his coaching decisions criticized. Not only is he getting paid 2.36 million dollars a year to handle it, he is a big boy and I am pretty sure he can take the criticism. My post above was simply stating that in my opinion, coach isn’t necessarily picking the starters or which players receive the most playing time (much to my dismay, actually) based exclusively on who has the most talent.

In answer to your question directed towards me about this:

"until those players learn to play by and follow the rules"

I was specifically thinking about the much-discussed rather reckless three that Liggins took in the second half of the game against South Carolina on Saturday. I was my understanding that launching threes was not in the game plan and by taking that ill-advised three, Liggins didn’t listen to what the coaching staff said and that three was indeed what got him benched. I will admit, though, reading that particular phrase back to myself now, it might have been worded poorly. I guess I was referring more to the on the court game plan rules that actual team rules.

Does that make any sense? Sorry, it’s late, past my bedtime, actually. Oh, and thanks. I’m not always successful at harnessing my "passion", but I do honestly try.

by BigSkyCat on Feb 3, 2009 12:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes.

That makes perfect sense.

Yes, Liggins was evidently told not to shoot 3’s. And yes, disobeying a coaches “order” is plenty of reason for behind to hit pine … and for an extended period. I’m sorry I misunderstood the gist of your comment.

Liggins is indeed becoming an enigma. Hopefully it’s just youthful indiscretion. If not, UK could have some serious point guard issues next year, also.

by Ken Howlett on Feb 3, 2009 12:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My Kingdom For A Point Guard

I checked and I posted that exact phrase on another site in the 2005-6 season. Rajan Rondo (who knew that with the NBA coaching he would evolve into the player he is) and Patrick Sparks shared duties to some extent but it was clamantly obvious that UK lacked the commanding, penetration-abled, game-controlling, make-your-teammates-better PG. In fact you have to revert to the last century to find what could be considered a quality performer at the 1. Even further back to find a first-team All-SEC: Travis Ford; and to another era for an All-American PG: Kyle Macy. Implausible that UK could be considered “Point Guard U”.

In Fanposts (Dribble Penetration Redux) the impact of a lack of point guard talent on UK’s team is covered including effectuating the defense including over-rotation. However the defect is more salient in the offense. Devan Downey’s second-half is the most recent and most painful instance. However, I would choose another example: Iman Shumpert, the freshman — so much for the experience requirement — point guard for Georgia Tech. Twice in the closing minute versus Wake Forest the ’Jackets isolated Shumpert and allowed him to create, twice, including the last-second, game-winning jumper, he responded. I thought at the time: How good would my Cats be with such a point guard? Perhaps Liggins will develop. Or perhaps it will be Vilarino or Ross-Miller.

by Wild Weasel on Feb 2, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Rondo

Look at his 2 year stats at UK, then double them for comparison to any other PG at UK.

You’ll find he is better than all of them. He was a FINE player at UK, no doubt about it.

by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 2, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Great UK points

Wayne Turner, Anthony Epps, even Cliff Hawkins come to mind as excellent points in the post-Travis Ford days.

by Ken Howlett on Feb 2, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ford At UK (Vis-A-Vis Others)

Ford 86-18.

Epps 124-19.

Turner 132-20.

Hawkins 105-29.

All did pretty well but Turner #1 among those, by far.

by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 2, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hyperbole Lives!

Turner, Epps, Hawkins were adequate/effective — qualities missing today — point guards at UK, I would even say good but great? Afraid not.

by Wild Weasel on Feb 2, 2009 5:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Here's The Tally

Ford 1 FF, 0 NC.

Turner 3 FF, 2 NC.

Epps 2 FF, 1 NC.

Turner #1, Epps #2, Ford #3.

by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 2, 2009 10:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Show Me

I defy you to show me any evaluation by any nationally recognized commentator/appraiser that lists, states or describes Turner and Epps as great PG’s. It’s particularly indicative that the highest post-season honor earned by Turner was third team SEC, while Epps didn’t even achieve that. Being a member of a NC team is a specious metric for PG greatness and wreaks of UK bias and hyperbole.

by Wild Weasel on Feb 3, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Results

Turner’s UK teams were 132-20 over 4 years (average of 33-5 record). 3 FF, 2 NC.

Epps’ teams were 124-19 over 4 years (average 31-5). 2 FF, 1 NC.

UK doesn’t win NC in either 1996 or 1998 without Epps and Turner.

by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 3, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And These (From Jon Scott Website), Too

Kentucky Career Leaders in Assists

  1. Player Seasons Games Assists
    1 Dirk Minniefield 4 123 646
    2 Anthony Epps 4 141 544
    3 Roger Harden 4 122 498
    4 Wayne Turner 4 151 494
    5 Sean Woods 3 91 482
    6 Kyle Macy 3 98 470
    7 Cliff Hawkins 4 126 468
    8 Ed Davender 4 129 436
    9 Travis Ford 3 100 428
    10 Saul Smith 4 143 364

Kentucky Career Leaders in Steals

  1. Player Seasons Games Steals
    1 Wayne Turner 4 151 238
    2 Tony Delk 4 133 201
    3 Cliff Hawkins 4 126 199
    4 Ed Davender 4 129 191
    5 Jared Prickett 5 143 187
    6 Anthony Epps 4 141 184
    7 John Pelphrey 4 114 173
    8 Chuck Hayes 4 134 169
    9 Rodrick Rhodes 3 99 163
    10 Rajon Rondo 2 68 156

by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 3, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Pitino And Antoine Walker > Their Own Words From NYT Article In 1996

“Without Anthony Epps we’re a good team,” Kentucky Coach Rick Pitino said. “With Anthony Epps, we’re a great team.”

Pitino did not always feel so confident about his point guard. In fact, he reluctantly offered him a scholarship. Epps was home-grown, from Lebanon, Ky., and had led his high school to the state championship in 1993. In his senior year, Epps was the tournament’s most valuable player. But Pitino preferred to recruit such highly prized imports as Jason Kidd and Randy Livingston. When they said no, Pitino finally said yes to Epps, who had been considering a football career. Even after Epps arrived, however, Pitino continued his recruiting safaris, looking for a trophy point guard.

Stephon Marbury was courted; Allen Edwards was brought in from Miami. This year, Pitino recruited Wayne Turner from Boston and there was talk of redshirting Epps. When Kentucky started the season, Tony Delk was in the lineup at point guard. The experiment lasted two games. Delk was a star shooter, not a passer. Kentucky is stocked with ravenous scorers, and, agonizingly, Pitino turned to Epps to feed these insatiable appetites.

“A lot changed when Anthony became the point guard,” said the sophomore forward Antoine Walker. “He sees the floor so well, he likes to pass. He wasn’t a guy that wanted to score a lot of points. Our whole team was unsettled. We had to build chemistry, learn to play with each other. We have 11 or 12 guys used to the spotlight.”
When he lost his job again for eight games at midseason, Epps kept his spirits up, even as his minutes went down. Saturday, he spent so much insistent energy hounding the UMass guards, Edgar Padilla and Carmelo Travieso, that he was dehydrated and had leg cramps late into the night. It was Epps’s pass to Walker for a dunk that finally took the Wildcats out of roiling waters and placed them in calm seas with a 77-70 lead.

“I felt like I was a smart enough player to be the perfect leader and get the ball around to everybody,” Epps said.

by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 3, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Forty

For taking up for my hometown boy Epps. His stats prove his worth to UK basketball.

by kykat51 on Feb 3, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How else DO you define a great point guard?!!?

Give me wins/losses and a spot on the top 10 assists list for one of the greatest programs in the country.

You can keep your Joe Forte’s and Doug Gottlieb’s. I’ll take Turner and Epps.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Feb 6, 2009 7:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Rondo

Rondo’s game hasnt changed dramatically from his time at UK. Yes coaching at the pro level helped but his game was primarily suited for the people he has around him. It wasnt a lack of coaching at UK .

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Feb 2, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Disagree

In the USC same game at least I dont put the loss on the point guards shoulders.

I put it on Pat and Perry. We have mentioned before about the overrotation on the shot blocking. Often instead of staying home on their man one of the two will move to help on the others defender. Instead of rotating back to block someone out they both go after the blocked shot. IMO this is why we have been giving up so many offensive rebounds and Pat finally mentioned in the news that this may be becoming a problem. I hope they recognize this and move to adjust.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Feb 2, 2009 9:04 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Good Point

However, the root cause of the over-rotation problem is that our guards are allowing the opposing team’s guards to easily penetrate into the lane, thus forcing our bigs to help defend the penetration.

by tooblue on Feb 2, 2009 9:25 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

The Blue Prism Effect

Or perhaps it’s a tragic but not uncommon case, somewhat isolated to The Commonwealth, of tritanopia. Discounting the “two potential All-Americans” it’s quite easily discerned by even the casual observer that the starting lineup including Stevenson, Porter and Harris is talent-challenged vis a vis most of the SEC teams and especially compared to nationally rated squads. Take the two bellwethers off the squad and it doesn’t compare favorably with Butler, St. Mary’s, Davidson, Baylor, you get the point. Did it ever occur to you that the rudimentary reason for the absence of a consistent 40 minutes is that the lack of talent eventually rears its head?

by Wild Weasel on Feb 2, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: tooblue

Well, the guards penetrating the lane was a problem with Downey, but then again he’s an exceptional player. I don’t see that UK has been allowing a tremendous amount of guard penetration throughout the year, though.

by Ken Howlett on Feb 2, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Over rotation

That’s a good point but the over rotation doesnt bug me as much as both post players going to block the same shot. One of them needs to either stay home on their guy or at least rotate back to him to contest the rebound instead of following their teamate to both try and block the shot.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Feb 2, 2009 9:42 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Carolina?

Referring to South Carolina as “Carolina” is a deadly insult to adherents of The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, affectionately known in all civilized realms as “Carolina”.

Everything Gamecock is tainted with a shameful combination of traits: unfettered ambition allied to mediocre talent. This circumstance was made abundantly clear when Paul Dietzel lead the Gamecocks from the ACC, choosing to chase big-time football while convincing the greater university to end its flirtation with academics.

And they dare, within the state once described by a Civil War North Carolina governor as “too small to be a country, too big to be an insane asylum”, to drag us down by attempting to confuse themselves with their betters. I feel dirty whenever I hear one of those parvenus claim “Carolina”.

I offer this gentle instruction just in case ASoB wishes to print a retraction for an inadvertent but supremely insulting error. In the event that you were deliberately insulting the Heels, please clear up one point: On this issue, do you officially speak for The University of Kentucky?;-)

by Ford Prefect on Feb 2, 2009 10:02 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Hilarious.

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by Truzenzuzex on Feb 2, 2009 10:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good one!!

Okay…let’s get back to the hand-wringing. Look UK may or may not get into the tournament at this point, but that’s no different than pretty much any team below the Top Ten ranked at this point. Simply put, UK has their destiny in their hands (but wait, isn’t destiny Gods will so it wouldn’t be in ‘their’ hands…but I regress). If they go 12-4 I think they are in…and doing it would likely knock one of the other 3 teams out. However, they better not plan on losing more than four and doing poorly in SEC tourney play.

Regardless, and I will write it again….it’s all how they play at this point. They can win against FL, Vandy, Tenn, etc…if they play like they can.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Feb 2, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Carolina

That’s what they refer to the school in SC.

by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 2, 2009 12:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"Referring to South Carolina as "Carolina" is a deadly insult to adherents to The University of North Carolina ..."

I humbly apologize to all Tar Heel fans … wait, no I don’t. If I have inadvertantly insulted UNC fans, then I consider that a satisfying, full days work :)

by Ken Howlett on Feb 2, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Heh.

Ditto. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Feb 2, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I Only Do It "Carolina" Within SC Borders

They also call the school “USC” and that is an irritant to the University of Southern California fans.

by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 2, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

well it better to drop the first part

of their state name than the first part of their mascot’s name.

although since they beat us, maybe we should……..

by memphis wildcat on Feb 2, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, Ford..

..just pass out some towels and everyone would be ready for any deadly insult.

by hoboat33 on Feb 2, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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