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Kentucky 64, Vanderbilt 77:  Postmortem

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Well, once again the Memorial Gym advantage jumps up and bites Kentucky as they fall to the Vanderbilt Commodores, 77-64.

First of, congratulations to Vanderbilt on a very well-conceived game.  The Commodores took advantage of Kentucky's lack of size, and punished UK on the glass, outrebounding the 'Cats 37-26.  Vandy also had the benefit of a friendly whistle, but that made little difference.  The Commodores simply took it to Kentucky and won the game the old-fashioned way -- they earned it.

Star-divide

For Kentucky, this is a damaging loss.  Not only do the 'Cats fall temporarily out of the race for the East, they lose to a team that they should have beaten.  The NCAA selection committee will take into consideration that the 'Cats were undermanned with Patrick Patterson down with an ankle injury, but that will not make up for the damage done to Kentucky's tournament chances by this loss.

The story of this game, quite frankly, was fouls.  Kentucky could not adjust to the whistle and ended up sending a good-shooting Vanderbilt team to the line 40 times, where the Commodores made all but eight.  Not only that, the Wildcats allowed Vanderbilt to shoot 47% from the field and 46% from the arc.  You can recover from one of those stats, but not all three. 

What is it about Memorial Gym and fouls?  I remember Pitino getting run out of the place one year when Vanderbilt shot about 50 more free throws than UK did.  We didn't get quite there tonight, but it was close.

Here are the rest of my observations about this "game":

  • Kentucky without Patrick Patterson simply does not have enough scoring to win against most opponents, nor do they have enough rebounding.
  • I have no idea what happened to Josh Harrellson.  I suppose Gillispie figured that we had a better chance to beat Vanderbilt by letting them wear us out on the glass and hope they couldn't shoot the ball in from two feet.  Note to Coach -- it didn't work.
  • Jodie Meeks managed only 6-21, a dismal 28%.  No way can Kentucky win when he shoots that poorly.  Vanderbilt's defense was responsible for a good bit of that, but quite frankly, he was just cold -- he missed a number of wide-open looks that he usually makes without even touching the rim.
  • What a game by A.J. Stewart.  He made a lot of mistakes, but he also did the one thing almost nobody else could do tonight -- Put the ball in the basket.
  • This has got to be the single worst game I have ever seen Perry Stevenson play.  Two rebounds?  Stevenson played like a freshman.
  • Ramon Harris?  Futility.  At least he didn't turn the ball over, but ....
  • ... Michael Porter did.  Liberally.  4 turnovers, ONE assist. Oh-fer everything except for one layup.
  • Darius Miller played a fair game, overall, except for one thing.  One rebound. 
  • DeAndre Liggins had four rebounds, three assists, one turnover one steal and two blocks.  Unmentioned in that is a couple of wild, aimless charges down the floor to what purpose only he and God knows.
  • Kevin Galloway?  Well, he was pretty good.  As many turnovers as assists, but he brought energy and aggression and also put a few points on the board in the process, winding up with 9 points on 4-6 shooting.
  • How is it that Gillsipie can get a technical foul on his haunches like that?  I mean, what the heck does he say, the F-bomb?  I have never seen a less demonstrative technical than the one Gillispie received tonight in all my life. 

    Maybe Gillispie should have used sign language, or at least got his money's worth by jumping up and down like an outraged, barking moonbat.  Even a few flecks of foam around the corners of his mouth and a bit of spittle flying around would have made me feel better about it.

    To add insult to injury, the officiating got worse after that.

  • A.J. Ogilvy made some very unsportsmanlike plays tonight.  If he had been in Rupp Arena, he may well have been ejected.  He sure did make free throws, though.

There are a ton of gripes I can make about this game, and I know most of you feel the same way.  I know most of us were very uncomfortable trying to win a game in Memorial Gym with our only real inside threat injured, and that apprehensiveness turned out to be well founded.  It's tough winning in that goofy place under the best of circumstances, but wounded and doing it on the road for the second time in a row turned out to be just a little more than this team is capable of.

There are a few good things to take away from this, mainly in the form of surprising play from A.J. Stewart and a reprise by Kevin Galloway of his earlier good game against Florida.  Darius Miller is getting noticably closer to an effective player on offense, and DeAndre Liggins is at least doing more good than harm.

Unfortunately, those good things were more than offset by Perry Stevenson transforming himself into a ghost, Josh Harrellson doing something to motivate Gillispie to bench him from about the 10:00 mark in the first half to the final buzzer, and the continued weak play of Ramon Harris.

Where does all this leave us?  On the bubble.  If we weren't on there before this game, we are definitely on there now.  Was this just a bad shooting night, or a harbinger of future doom?  I don't really know, but I do know we'd better start praying for Patterson's ankle to heal -- and fast.

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Billy G is not for me!

That was officially the worst referee-ed and worst coached game I have suffered through as a UK fan.
Let’s join the trend in the SEC and get rid of this guy RIGHT NOW!!!
Why start Harrellson if you just plan to sit him down like Floury? What in the Hell is that?
We needed someone, anyone, in the post and you don’t play him at all?
We could not compete man to man on D without Jorts and PPat but you won’t even consider collapsing into the paint with a match up zone?
And, do you have any offense that does not include plays for Meeks and Patterson?
Gillespie is just not our guy.
Start over now, hope that Meeks and Patterson rejoice when they learn they won’t have to kill themselves with a full practice before every game and let’s find someone who is not as stubborn and immovable as a frozen lamp post.
BOO BILLY!

by ukfastcat on Feb 18, 2009 12:16 AM EST reply actions  

C'mon, man.

You may not like the guy, but he is our coach for at least two more years.

Let’s make the best of it.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Feb 18, 2009 12:20 AM EST up reply actions  

tru

I don’t think that is the case if we bomb out this season and then don’t do well next year then he is out.

by tenken on Feb 18, 2009 12:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think so.

But honestly, if we keep Patterson and Meeks, add Orton, Hood and Vilarino and still wind up on the bubble, I might have to give up blogging, because I don’t know if I could be coherent.

But neither of those eventualities will come to pass, I predict. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Feb 18, 2009 12:43 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

I hope you are right……

by tenken on Feb 18, 2009 12:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Agree but he will be their at least one more year...

I was thinking four years but if this team takes a step back this year and Pat and Meeks go pro and they take a step back next year then I would not want to be BCG…

ShagOnSports - "people should know when they are conquered"

by ShagOnSports on Feb 18, 2009 7:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Totally wrong

Unrealistic expectations…..Billy Clyde is going in the right direction….As far as Harrelson is concerned, shoot…he has done nothing anyway….Who knows what preceded him being on the bench. I respect discipline regardless. With the officiating….Rupp would have lost….

by ukfan4sure on Feb 18, 2009 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I have

to disagree with you on Josh. He has been a difference maker in at least two games that I can think of right now and I am sure that there are more then that.

by tenken on Feb 18, 2009 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Totally

100 percent agree with EVERYTHING you said. What a downer. The only upside I can see is that they now KNOW THEY CANNOT afford to lose another game. The next five teams are beatable and frankly I EXPECT them to win them all. We are lucky that LSU and Tennessee is at home. Although that hasn’t brought us much luck this season all the time. I am on the verge of pulling my support for BG(and I just know he will be so disappointed). This is not acceptable to me. We were whipped tonight and I am sure he said that in the press conference. I don’t care what anyone says…………Vandy is becoming my least favorite team in the SEC. More so then Florida and that is saying alot because I used to live in Nashville and loved Vandy except when they played Kentucky. I loved Vandy and their excitement. I just cannot stand Stallings. He whinning about Ogilvy’s tech was classless. I sure hope we get to play them in Tampa. Won’t be refs helping them out then.

Before anyone jumps me about the BG comment. Please understand that I have never waivered under Tubby until that Bama loss(ironically on Feb 17th-which just happends to be my bday) in 2007. I just didn’t see the passion in Tubby anymore. Love the guy but realized at that point that he lost his zeal for Kentucky basketball. With BG its like he doesn’t care about the ramifications of the lineup and the subs. He needs to understand that kentucky is sick of losing. SICK OF IT!

by tenken on Feb 18, 2009 12:21 AM EST reply actions  

Coach griping won't help.

I understand your feelings, but let’s look at reality. Gillispie will sink or swim on his own. It is results, not fan support, that will either get him extended or replaced, and he will get at least four years.

So let’s all just chill about the coach. Diss him if it makes you feel better (within reason), but realize that he will be our coach, barring unforeseen circumstances, for at least two and possibly three more years. He deserves that. Ben Howland got that, and nobody can say he didn’t get the job done.

So take a deep breath, realize this is just one game and just one season, and that help is on the way in the form of Daniel Orton, Jon Hood and G.J. Vilarino. How much help Vilarino will be is not for sure, but Orton and Hood will help out big time. Just getting Patterson on the floor would probably have made the difference tonight, so stay chilly.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Feb 18, 2009 12:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I

have been a big supporter but look at the state of SEC coaches in not just basketball but football too. I think the days of many years to rebuild(and honestly Tubby didn’t not leave him with that bad of a lineup) is over. Look at what Horn has done. That right there is a good example of what can be done.

by tenken on Feb 18, 2009 12:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Disagree

About what was left for BCG. But apparently, I’m in the minority on that one.

http://www.overthepylon.net

by OverThePylon on Feb 18, 2009 12:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Nope. I agree.

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by Truzenzuzex on Feb 18, 2009 12:41 AM EST up reply actions  

seriously

If it wasn’t for Bradley and Crawford…………..I will say we would have had a losing season. Also, Meeks? How can you say that?

by tenken on Feb 18, 2009 12:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Oops ...

… I misread you. I agree with you, Tenken, sorry about that error.

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by Truzenzuzex on Feb 18, 2009 12:47 AM EST up reply actions  

UK Had A Decent Roster In March 2007

Patterson, Legion (transferred), Liggins, Miller, Harrellson, Galloway, D Williams were added.

by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 18, 2009 6:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't forget Pilgrim!

All this help talk is good but don’t forget the Pilgrim kid.

by bluecrip on Feb 18, 2009 9:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Ken, what do you think?

Are you not sick and tired of BCG saying his team is not “tough” when he himself is not tough enough to let his guys make a couple mistakes (of commission) before he sits them for the rest of the contest?

by ukfastcat on Feb 18, 2009 12:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Not so fast my friend :) (I love that Corso line)

I’ll have some thoughts to share in a post tomorrow night.

by Ken Howlett on Feb 18, 2009 12:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Sorry, Tru

This guy is just impossible to like and equally impossible to comprehend.
Please offer your input on why a decent big who STARTED the game would be relegated to the bench and NEVER return again with Patterson out?
I know one thing, BCG believes he doesn’t have to answer that question.
Pardon me, Bill, that that is just not how we roll here at UK.
No, Tru, I have given the guy the benefit of the doubt.
This one is on him, even though the refs were on crack.
We need someone who can demonstrate not only the work ethic BCG undoubtedly possesses, but a coach who can show the fans, the media and his hard working players that he also possesses a HEART.

by ukfastcat on Feb 18, 2009 12:25 AM EST reply actions  

With all due respect ...

… whether you give him the benefit of the doubt is irrelevant. Calling for his head is not reasonable, not logical, and frankly, not gonna happen. And it shouldn’t.

You don’t have to like the guy. But he is and will be the coach for some time. Deal with it. No matter what we think, we must all be adults, and frankly, it just isn’t very adult to go off the reservation like this when it is nothing more than venting. Hopefully, we are all mature enough to engage our brains before letting our understandable frustration run amok.

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by Truzenzuzex on Feb 18, 2009 12:29 AM EST up reply actions  

not being a smart alec

or anything……..asking serious question here. What would it take for him to lose your support?

by tenken on Feb 18, 2009 12:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Do...

you have any idea how much it would set us back if he were to be fired? This year or next. If we don’t give this guy time, noone of any real coaching significance will come here.

by the spork on Feb 18, 2009 12:33 AM EST up reply actions  

OK

first I said I am on the verge……I didn’t say he deserves to be fired!!!!! He turns this team around and boom I am back to the BG fanclub.

by tenken on Feb 18, 2009 12:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Heh.

I think it would help if a certain 6’9" forward were available. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Feb 18, 2009 12:44 AM EST up reply actions  

That

sounds a bit “bandwaggon” IMHO.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Feb 18, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

sounds

like an irrational Kentucky fan to me. I plead guilty, but that is the second time you have made some reference to my fandom! Not cool.

by tenken on Feb 18, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Four years ...

… of substandard results with no improvement in sight. Every coach deserves at least that, unless something is radically wrong, and nothing is radically wrong here, despite all the angst.

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by Truzenzuzex on Feb 18, 2009 12:36 AM EST up reply actions  

...or loss of control or support of the team.

And we are nowhere near that.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Feb 18, 2009 12:37 AM EST up reply actions  

We?

You a UK fan now Hozeking?

by tenken on Feb 18, 2009 12:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I never said I wasn't.

Regardless, I know what’s right and wrong for the program.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Feb 18, 2009 12:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Do you now?

Hmm. I kind of doubt that. Divided loyalty means no loyalty. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Feb 18, 2009 12:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I can pull for the White Sox and Cubs both, can't I??

….actually, no….I can’t stand the Cubs. Let me think of another example….

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Feb 18, 2009 12:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Heh. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Feb 18, 2009 12:47 AM EST up reply actions  

so you do have some good taste

nice to see someone else pulling for the sox!

GO BIG BLUE!! GO BIG BLUE!!

by UKWildCatFanatic on Feb 18, 2009 12:48 AM EST up reply actions  

No, Impossible

I know of no one here in Chicago who is Cubs AND Sox fan.

by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 18, 2009 6:40 AM EST up reply actions  

there are plenty

of people who root for both. they may like one team more then the other, but they root for both to get to the playoffs and win.

lots of cubs were hoping the sox would win it in 2005, because it was a good thing for Chicago. They even coined a term for these types of fans: biSOXual. :-)

GO BIG BLUE!! GO BIG BLUE!!

by UKWildCatFanatic on Feb 18, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I've Lived Here 35 Years

And I can count TRUE Cubs AND Sox fans on my thumbs.

by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 18, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

do

you mean a full four years or four more?

by tenken on Feb 18, 2009 12:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Four years total.

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by Truzenzuzex on Feb 18, 2009 12:39 AM EST up reply actions  

please...

Hypothetically… say we can Gillispie after a whomping year and a half… who comes here that is better? Seriously? If you are holding out for a Roy Williams type you are dreaming… if you are one of those Bob Knight fans, good luck with recruiting. In fact, the one sure way to ensure UK never returns to a national power is to fire Gillispie. His recruits will be out the window, and so will anyone who wants to come here, as they won’t trust the administration or the fans in knowing who they are going to be playing for for the next four years. Get rid of Gillispie after a year and half…. please.

I need a Sea of Blue because I am surrounded by Tennessee orange!

by sleepytimetea on Feb 18, 2009 12:27 AM EST reply actions  

It doesn't matter.

He’s not going anywhere. Even if the second coming of Adolph Rupp just became available, Gillispie isn’t going anywhere unless he fires himself. That is a fact, and it is indisputable.

So forget about better, or worse, or whatever. It’s like finding the woman of your dreams is married to someone else. You just have to live with it.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Feb 18, 2009 12:31 AM EST up reply actions  

is

his contract signed yet/ I haven’t heard an update on that?

by tenken on Feb 18, 2009 12:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Irrelevant.

Legally and ethically, UK is on the hook.

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by Truzenzuzex on Feb 18, 2009 12:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I

was just wondering…..didnt’ know

by tenken on Feb 18, 2009 12:34 AM EST up reply actions  

As far as I know ...

… there has been no formal contract signed.

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by Truzenzuzex on Feb 18, 2009 12:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Fire himself?

I think he has done just that this season.

by ukfastcat on Feb 18, 2009 12:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Dream on. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Feb 18, 2009 12:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah.

I think, in the end, we just need to move along and let the coach do his thing. He is inexperienced, and will get better. I know it’s hard for UK fans to wait, but wait we must.

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by Truzenzuzex on Feb 18, 2009 8:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Great movie quote Tru

You cant handle the truth.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Feb 18, 2009 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Darrin

Horn has done it with SC.

by tenken on Feb 18, 2009 12:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Has he?

Really? How many NCAA’s has he made coaching them?

Just asking.

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by Truzenzuzex on Feb 18, 2009 12:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Tru, I'll give you one guess on what I am thinking now.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Feb 18, 2009 12:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Sorry ...

… I don’t care to speculate. Not even sure I care to know. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Feb 18, 2009 12:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I guess

success to me right now as a Kentucky fan is regular season. Frankly we haven’t done well in 4 years in regular season.

by tenken on Feb 18, 2009 12:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Very true..

But Gillispie has only had the reigns for two. Let’s not blame the other two on him as well. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Feb 18, 2009 12:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I am not

but I think the fanbase as a whole is hungry for success. Its not his fault what TUbby had before but I think that thought was that he would turn it around sooner. I don’t know how realistic that is but what Kentucky fan do you know is truly realistic about our team?

by tenken on Feb 18, 2009 12:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Both are valid

There is no such thing as a rational Kentucky fan. And expecting a one-year turnaround is the definition of irrational

http://www.overthepylon.net

by OverThePylon on Feb 18, 2009 12:43 AM EST up reply actions  

to

early to tell on that. So far yes but there is that outside chance that we tie last years record. I don’t think so but we could. I am better then last night. I think that I have just learned that after a loss……..NO POSTING FOR ME! I am irrational and stupid. I think we will be fine and coach is fine. I believe that one comment below on the bottom of this thread says it…..that he is building…..plain and simple.

by tenken on Feb 18, 2009 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

We were 18-13 last season

I think there is mor than an “outside chance” that we surpass that record by at least 3 or 4 wins.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on Feb 18, 2009 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I said

outside chance of the other way in losses not wins

by tenken on Feb 18, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

That makes more sense, but I still don't see where you said that above, no offense.

You said, “too early to tell on that [referring to Tru’s comment whether we improved from last year]. So far yes but there is that outside chance that we tie last years record.”

Nothing about tying Ws or Ls.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on Feb 18, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

well

I meant more losses. No offense taken.

by tenken on Feb 18, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Understood, and like I said, your comment makes good sense in that context.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on Feb 18, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Unrealistic

When Gillispie came I estimated 3-4 years to turn things around.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Feb 18, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Whatever

Horn has come in and won some games in a very down SEC – more than less of them that could have easily gone the other way.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Feb 18, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

and

we play the same teams and he has a whole lot less talent to work with then Biily. Oh and he still won those games that could have gone either way.

by tenken on Feb 18, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Youre right

Darin Horn is the best coach ever. Sure wish we could have gotten him.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Feb 18, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

good grief

that is all I can say to this

by tenken on Feb 18, 2009 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

0724 - he makes a good point

I prefer BCG to Horn, but Horn has done an outstanding job with USC with a better OOC and SEC record than the Cats, with a few strong OOC wins (and only one bad road loss).

That being said, he’s still unproven, but he has won the close ones, which Gillispie has struggled with this year to some degree (though he was very good at it last year). The fact remains that good coaches win close games.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on Feb 18, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I understand that.

and I do like Darin Horn. I have even told people to watch out for SC because he has big plans for them. With all this Billy bashing going on, this just struck me wrong. I have listened to “Look at what Tubby’s doing” for much of this season and it has worn me out. I refuse to start with “Look at what Darin Horn’s doing.” He is having a good season, but seriously, its Darin Horn who is even less unproven than Billy is. That’s where I was coming from.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Feb 18, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree on with you there

and the Gillispie bashing is getting very tiresome for me as well. FWIW, I’m more in your boat – I like Gillispie as coach, as much as his decisions baffle me at times. The program, the fans, and the coach all deserve more than 1.5 or 2 seasons to just him. Like Tru has said – if we’re back at this point next season or the one after, there will be some issues, I’m sure, but again, that’s up to the AD.

I’m not up for running any coach out of town.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on Feb 18, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

the

whole argument was that its not reasonable to expect “immediate” results. Well, I was saying that its the sign of the times in general. I brought up Horn not to compare him to G but to state that cases like that make it harder for coaches like BG to have an excuse of “building”. Horn is still unproven though. But again, I don’t compare him to BG but bring up that BG doesn’t have the luxury of rebuilding in long term due to coaches like that.

by tenken on Feb 18, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Better Roster

Taking roster top to bottom, position by position, Horn has better players.

by Wild Weasel on Feb 18, 2009 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Not True AT ALL

And more than half the players on current UK roster were recruited by (or brought to) UK by the current staff.

by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 18, 2009 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Darrin Horn

has the exact same conference record as Kentucky… hilarious. Blue Goggles activate.

I need a Sea of Blue because I am surrounded by Tennessee orange!

by sleepytimetea on Feb 20, 2009 2:58 AM EST up reply actions  

...
Vandy also had the benefit of a friendly whistle, but that made little difference.

Couldn’t disagree more. 40 free throws, thats a joke.

by the spork on Feb 18, 2009 12:29 AM EST reply actions  

If the disparity had been less ...

… I think they still would have won. It would have been closer, but I don’t think a reasonable whistle would have made the difference.

Just my opinion. We did honestly foul quite a bit.

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by Truzenzuzex on Feb 18, 2009 12:32 AM EST up reply actions  

...
How is it that Gillsipie can get a technical foul on his haunches like that? I mean, what the heck does he say, the F-bomb? I have never seen a less demonstrative technical than the one Gillispie received tonight in all my life.

Maybe Gillispie should have used sign language, or at least got his money’s worth by jumping up and down like an outraged, barking moonbat. Even a few flecks of foam around the corners of his mouth and a bit of spittle flying around would have made me feel better about it.

To add insult to injury, the officiating got worse after that.

Just read the post game article at rivals, via Adam’s Blog, and towards the end of the article it mentions that Tony Greene basically has it out for BG. Second one he has given him this season and without hesitation. I don’t like that one bit.

I don’t disagree with you on the fouls, but most were ticky tack and I noticed that they weren’t exactly getting those same calls.

by the spork on Feb 18, 2009 12:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah.

I think Tony Green is a problem. We can’t solve that, though. Presumably Gillispie knows the number to Boudreux’s office.

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by Truzenzuzex on Feb 18, 2009 12:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe ...

… we should send him to the Big East. Looks like they could use him. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Feb 18, 2009 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

that

by far was one of the most physical game I have ever seen. I shutter to think what would happen if we get paired with one of those two.

by tenken on Feb 18, 2009 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Stallings walked almost all the way out to center court

and was gesturing wildly and still wasn’t given a T. We can beat ourselves, we can beat another team, but you can’t beat the officiating.

by BlueInNash on Feb 18, 2009 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Totally Disagree

In my lifetime I have not seen such a poorly officiated game. There is no way that Vandy would be in the game at half time if the officiating were to be half way competent. I have only watched 3/4 of the game, and was so disgusted I had to log on to see the score and see if anyone else was calling for the officiating teams jobs. To be fair, they did miss a couple of calls that went our way, but the preponderance of bad calls went in favor of Vandy. There was no way for UK to build up any momentum, Vandy received more possessions, foul trouble limiting the effectiveness of players actually playing pretty well (Miller, Stewart, and Galloway), and validation that the game plan to rape Meeks during every possession was working to a T.

true blue living in a sea of orange

by qmwhitlock on Feb 18, 2009 1:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Galloway's first foul....

WAS A JOKE! I could have made a better call from Denmark. I honestly threw down my headphones in disgust. I know that wasn’t a difference maker but I still just don’t understand why they have to make that call just because the game is in Memorial Gym.

by Clay Mason on Feb 18, 2009 4:38 AM EST up reply actions  

THE CATS & GILLISPIE

didn’t adjust to the way the game was being called. They should have recognized at halftime that the refs were needing some facetime (hell, they should have seen who was officiating and known from the get go) and made adjustments. They didn’t and they lost.

by bluecrip on Feb 18, 2009 9:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah.

I think that’s right.

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by Truzenzuzex on Feb 18, 2009 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Good point bluecrip, but ...

… I’m not sure how one adjusts to that bad of officiating.

In order for UK to adjust they would have had to not touch a Vandy player.

How does Meeks adjust to getting fouled on a 3-point attempt, but no call is made.

Adjusting to officials calls is more related to hand-checking … ticky-tack stuff like that. I do, though, think that the UK players made an attempt at adjusting, which resulted in Vandy being able to drive, almost without resistance, to the basket. If a Vandy player was in the lane and guarded, a foul was called on UK.

Hooper — No Valentine was not officiating. I do not care for him at all, but he would have done a thousand-times better job than those clowns last night.

by Ken Howlett on Feb 18, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I should have also added:

Adjustments — Interior play — Versus MSU last year, UK over and over again drove the lane against Varnado resulting in blocked shot after blocked shot. Varnado, of course, was fouling a high percentage of the time but no whistles were forthcoming. Yet, instead of UK pulling up for mid-range J’s they continued to drive.

This year’s game in Rupp versus MSU was very similar, except that Varnado did not seem to be fouling nearly as much. He was also whistled for his third foul relatively early in the second half, resulting in UK attempting to nail him with his fourth for the entirety of the second half. He finally picked up his fourth with less than two minutes remaining, but by that time the game was lost.

by Ken Howlett on Feb 18, 2009 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not a coach but I feel that

the adjustments that could have been made were spreading the floor and driving into the lane more. Quit standing around waiting for something to happen…..wait….that’s been a problem all season. My error. :)

Coach should have recognized the type of officiating and made adjustments OFFENSIVELY. Defensively you are limited as you pointed out Ken, but offensively Vandy ran the blueprint to for making adjustments. Open floor and DRIVE! Ahhh well……

by bluecrip on Feb 19, 2009 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

One game

Perhaps I’m too optimistic or too sunshine-y, but it’s only one game. This isn’t a team that’s .500 and definitely out of the tourney. Are we a lock? No. But this loss didn’t kill our chances. There’s still games to play plus a conference tourney. And when push comes to shove, the NCAA loves established programs that travel well. Pretty sure we fit that bill.

It was just an off night all around. Teams have them. Meeks didn’t shoot well, PP didn’t play, and Stevenson was non existant. Coupled with some inconsistent officiating and a road game, and a lot of teams would be hard pressed to win.

One poor game doesn’t define a season, a team, and most especially, a coach. It’s still great to be a UK fan, and I’m not even considering a UK-less NCAA tournament.

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by OverThePylon on Feb 18, 2009 12:30 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

I think

that it was the thought that this was a win with all the hard teams we are about to face that he was talking about.

by tenken on Feb 18, 2009 12:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

But it’s nowhere near as doomsday as people are acting like. Measured response and write up from Tru, per usual, but some people just need to take a deep breath and a step back off the ledge.

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by OverThePylon on Feb 18, 2009 12:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Ah ...

… the ledge.

Yes, we UK fans have been there before, n’est pas?

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by Truzenzuzex on Feb 18, 2009 12:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Ledge

Im not there yet. Im very disapointed by last nights results but nothing I saw makes me worried about the remaining games on the schedule.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Feb 18, 2009 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

No

doomsday…..I for one dont’ want to be told that because I think this team if performing less then we should that I am proclaimng doomsday!!!!!!!

by tenken on Feb 18, 2009 12:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Totally agree

I like important stuff just as much as the next guy, but please, for a little while, deliver us from meaning, baseball. That's your greatest glory, and we thank you for it very, very much. -- Craig Calcaterra

by JLeverenz on Feb 18, 2009 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Let us all keep in mind ...

… that our five star stud pony was sitting on the bench this whole time. How many games will UConn win in the Big East on the road without Hasheem Thabeet? Answer — maybe none.

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by Truzenzuzex on Feb 18, 2009 12:40 AM EST reply actions  

very true

but what eats me is taking out Harrelson who did wonderful against Florida.

by tenken on Feb 18, 2009 12:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Harrelson did good against Florida

…because Florida didn’t have anybody inside worth their weight. Vandy ran the ball inside-out most of the night.

by TheFakeGimelMartinez on Feb 18, 2009 1:05 AM EST up reply actions  

true

but he potentially could be the future of this team in that position. I don’t understand why you pull him out. I am listening to BG right now and he said "I don’t need a 6’9 two guard, I need a 6’9 bruiser. Not sure what that meant.

by tenken on Feb 18, 2009 1:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Billy was talking about AJ Stewart with the 6'9 comment

I really don’t think Harrellson can be the future of this team in the 4 spot. He’s got a great shooting touch but he’s just too slow-footed to be able to defend good/great post players.

No disrespect to Josh, I want him to succeed.

by TheFakeGimelMartinez on Feb 18, 2009 1:36 AM EST up reply actions  

so

was Morris(slow footed).

by tenken on Feb 18, 2009 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Harrellson

is NO Randolph Morris – not even close.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Feb 18, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

never

said he was…….pointing out that Morris was slow footed at times but you need the body in there.

by tenken on Feb 18, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

please

just go back and do what you said and don’t respond to my comments. Thanks :)

by tenken on Feb 18, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

So Pat is on the bench and we should accept that Josh should join him?

Moral support does not win games.
Bigs fighting bigs could actually help, though.

by ukfastcat on Feb 18, 2009 12:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd like another shot w/o Thabeet.

But on the other hand, I can’t imagine Pitino starting Jennings because Samuels was out…pulling Jennings out after a few minutes and never putting him back….but I could be wrong.

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by HozeKing on Feb 18, 2009 12:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Gillispie ...

… does have his quirks, no doubt.

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by Truzenzuzex on Feb 18, 2009 12:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I think

that you just said the understatement of the season there Tru!

by tenken on Feb 18, 2009 12:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Tru, thank you for that. Quirk is very kind for BCG's erratic and inexplicable behavior!

First, let me thank you for all you do here.
You just seem especially truculent this evening.
I am a UK athlete. I know what i am talking about.
I am entitled to my opinion. That opinion is that BCG got outcoached AGAIN tonight.
He is the definition of the word INFLEXIBLE. I understand that would not matter at all if he was undefeated, but he is literally racking up L’s at a record pace.
I believe he is in over his head here at UK and he keeps proving that whenever his truly talented stars fail to bail him out.
All I am asking the guy to do is to consider the possibility that other systems and other philosophies might help his dedicated athletes win more games.
I know that only Mitch will decide his fate.
But, you built this blog asking for our input.
Word of advice? Don’t kill the messenger when you don’t like the message.
Insanity is repeating the same mistakes over and over.
Winning is having the courage to adapt to what IS and making that work in your favor.
I don’t see any of that with the current HC and wonder how advisable it is to continue down this path.
What I do see concerns me very much for the long run.
BCG will outwork everyone else, but will he outsmart and outcoach them? Did you happen to see how tired he looked in HD tonight? His team is tired, too.
Here’s what I am tired of: the same rhetoric about players who practice hard play more minutes. They ALL practice hard, just go watch them. He plays HIS favorites and to hell with anyone else’s opinions.
In a perfect world, Meeks and Patterson will stay, Orton will be healthy, Hood will be a stud from Day One and everyone else will improve drastically.
But, we will still be strapped with a guy who will overtrain them, over-criticize them and not have nearly the X and O abilities of his peers in the SEC.

by ukfastcat on Feb 18, 2009 1:05 AM EST up reply actions  

I think you had your Hate Billy glasses on the whole game.

If you had watched the first half, there were plenty of adjustments made by UK to exploit what Vandy was doing. We probably would have had a 5-6 point lead if it wasn’t for a few ticky-tack fouls.

There were plenty of adjustments in the second half, too; they weren’t executed very well. Credit/blame can be equally spread across Vandy, the Wildcat players and the coaches.

Billy’s X & O stuff tonight seemed fine to me.

by TheFakeGimelMartinez on Feb 18, 2009 1:11 AM EST up reply actions  

L's At A Record Pace? Not Yet

Hall had 21 L in his first 2 seasons.

Sutton had 15.

Pitino had 20.

Tubby had 13.

by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 18, 2009 6:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually...

If the numbers you’re citing are correct (and 40’s usually are), Billy G is on a record pace for L’s in his first two years. We were 18-13 last year and we’re 18-8 now. That’s 21 losses. So either we’re gonna run the table from here (which would be great, but, seriously, what are the odds?), or he’s gonna get at least 22. One loss in the last 5 regular season games, another in the SEC tournament and one in the NCAA tournament (this seems like a scenario most of us feel is reasonable to expect) would give him 24, three clear of Hall and four clear of Pitino. And, in fairness to Rick, in his first season he went 13-13 with a team that was expected to win five or six games. It’s amazing that we didn’t struggle through a year like the one Indiana’s experiencing now as Tom Crean tries to put the pieces of a demolished program back together. Say what you want about Tubby, but the situation Gillispie inherited isn’t anything compared to the shambles the program was in after Sutton left.

by KYvamypre on Feb 18, 2009 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

UK After Sutton Left In 1989

F Hanson, Feldhaus, Pelphrey, Davis and G Woods, Farmer, Miller, Brassow.

More talent than you might realize. They were 65-27 (71%) in 1990-91-92.

F Harris, Stevenson, Stewart. C Carter, Williams. G Crawford, Bradley, Jasper, Meeks, Porter.

More talent than 1989 remaining players.

by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 18, 2009 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

ahh

my sweet unforgettables! Then the second batch of unforgettables……Bradley and Crawford. Love those guys!!

by tenken on Feb 18, 2009 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

A couple of things ...

This blog is built on the discussion of the Wildcats. Rational discussion. I can understand your frustrations, but surely you must realize that coach bashing, however much you feel he deserves it, has limited utility other than to make the complainant feel better. It has limited value in the discussion of the team for the simple reason that the coach is not going anywhere, at least not yet. I have killed no messengers here.

But what you must realize is that part of my job is to keep the discussion on an even keel. Coach-bashing, however well-deserved, is a very divisive and generally unproductive discussion. When we depart from rational criticism of how the coach operates into hyperbole like “racking up L’s at a record pace” for a coach who has been at UK for all of one and three quarters years, it does no good to anyone.

I agree that Gillispie is not doing a particularly good job right now, but rationally, that is all I can say. He isn’t evil and he isn’t incompetent. In my judgment book, he is mostly inexperienced and in a learning process. You may rationally criticize Barnhart for opting to go with potential over experience, but any Kentucky coach deserves better than what many of us are giving Gillispie. It may well be that Gillispie is in over his head, but he fairly represented himself to us, and we made the decision to hire him. To dismiss him after less than two years on the job is not just foolish, it is counterproductive and downright unethical.

I am aware of your complaints about Gillispie’s practice habits. They are what they are. That isn’t going to get him fired, no matter how much you think it should, and he may decide at some point to change them. But not today.

So for now, we have what we have. Hopefully, he will improve. If not, he will eventually be replaced. Criticize, if you must, but I suggest you avoid the hyperbole and deal with the facts before you, some of which you have presumed but cannot support with evidence, and neither can I. I have no idea what his game-day practices are like compared to others, and frankly, neither do you. At the end of the day, Gillispie is like the Student Section in Rupp Arena — we may not like it, but it isn’t going to change soon, so we have to work around it.

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by Truzenzuzex on Feb 18, 2009 7:20 AM EST up reply actions  

My thoughts exactly

I honestly thought a win tonight would have been an upset considering our best player was on the bench. The game itself was about as I expected (except the foul disparity).

by Clay Mason on Feb 18, 2009 4:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Why was Harrellson benched?

I missed the first 10 minutes of the game due to a car issue. I didn’t get to see what he did that was so terrible that BG felt the need to sit him for the rest of the game. I feel like that decision crippled us inside on defense. Not that Harrellson is an all-star defender, but there is a matter of physics.

by DrZoom on Feb 18, 2009 12:47 AM EST reply actions  

Gillispie Effect ...

… I guess. I’m sure he would tell you he played the guys he thought would give us the best chance to win the game.

Well, I’m guessing he could have been wrong.

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by Truzenzuzex on Feb 18, 2009 12:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Bear with me here...

….and I may be stating the obvious…but I think it is common knowledge that Gillispie plays guys who have performed in practice. He certainly starts guys who have earned it in practice. That is why I found the Harrelson thing so strang tonight. It’s one thing if the coach brought him in off the bench during the game and then pulled him out…it’s different this time with him starting and only getting 7 minutes. Now having written that, I did comment on the blog that he wasn’t rebounding nor playing well defensively, but sheesh…

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by HozeKing on Feb 18, 2009 12:57 AM EST up reply actions  

and

neither was the guy who replaced him.

by tenken on Feb 18, 2009 12:58 AM EST up reply actions  

According to the post-game interview

Harrellson wasn’t giving enough effort. I think it helped that in the first half, we went small and was able to keep forcing turnovers and scoring points.

by TheFakeGimelMartinez on Feb 18, 2009 1:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah.

It’s really hard for fans to see that. We watch the basketball, not what happens away from the ball, and he could be right. Plus, it’s hard for fans to judge effort accurately. We can see when a guy is giving extraordinary effort, but other than that, I think you have to defer to the coach’s judgment.

My question is, why are these players not giving the effort, especially when they have a chance for playing time?

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by Truzenzuzex on Feb 18, 2009 7:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought

he was very open in the post game last night. More so then usual. He said Meeks had a terrific night though. He is coach so I will just trust him on that.

by tenken on Feb 18, 2009 9:35 AM EST up reply actions  

if I recall...

Instead of jumping straight up in an attempt to block a shot (which wound up being a pump fake) he jumped into the offensive player creating a foul that looked rather like an seventh grader as opposed to a big man in college basketball. I am pretty sure that doesn’t fly with Gillispie’s defensive philosophy. If I had a guess, I would say this is why he rode the pine the rest of the game. He was out of position and made a lazy attempt to recover.

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by sleepytimetea on Feb 20, 2009 3:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Goodnight, folks.

Gotta work tomorrow. I’m too old for this crap. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Feb 18, 2009 12:59 AM EST reply actions  

good night

thanks for the thoughts!

by tenken on Feb 18, 2009 1:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I have always felt that the people who criticize our coaches do much more harm to the program than the coaches ever think of doing.

by oldkentucky on Feb 18, 2009 1:12 AM EST reply actions  

I think

your right. But I think that when a coach is as elusive as Billy is, you cannot help but have questions.

by tenken on Feb 18, 2009 1:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Criticism is fine.

Rational, careful criticism of a game, or in general is just fine. Bashing is destructive to fan morale. I understand a little venting after a loss, so my standards are relaxed a little bit. But after that, bashing is not going to get by without comment.

We are better than that, and I insist we be better than that.

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by Truzenzuzex on Feb 18, 2009 7:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Porter, Harris and Stevenson.....

They gave us 9 points, 6 rebounds, 6 turnovers and 1 assist in 62 minutes.

That is 3/5 of our starting five.

I appreciate their effort, but their lack of talent and lack of basic basketball skills is killing this team. It’s disappointing that CBG was not able to develop Liggins, Miller, Galloway and Harrellson throughout the year so we would not be in this position right now.

Our remaining schedule is tough, but if we can win on Saturday, we will be in pretty good shape. I hope Patterson’s ankle and finger are 100% by Saturday. We really need him to get healthy in a hurry.

GBB!!!

by OGETARTS on Feb 18, 2009 1:17 AM EST reply actions  

I think ...

… it was more a lack of all-out effort than talent. Stevenson was just sleepwalking through the game, it seemed to me. Harris played really well last game, but struggled tonight.

But let’s keep in mind that another pretty good player also struggled, and not just because he was closely guarded. His name was Jodie Meeks.

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by Truzenzuzex on Feb 18, 2009 7:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Why would there be a lack of effort?

Stevenson knows this is an important game and he knows that Patterson is out. It makes no sense to me that he would not give his best effort. I am actually still trying to answer this question myself.

The best I come up with is this: Talent is the real reason. I believe without Patterson, UK is about on par with Vandy’s talent but not better. This is unlike many UK teams in the past. Now, Vandy had the cats inside but UK persumably should be able to run except one thing. A quick whistle. I do not think anyone coaching this team would win this game. But that is just my opinion.

by LyricSmith on Feb 18, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I have no idea ...

… why there was a lack of effort, but there was.

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by Truzenzuzex on Feb 18, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Vandy In Nashville

Always tough to W there.

That’s 6 of the last 8 that are W for Vandy.

by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 18, 2009 6:44 AM EST reply actions  

Very tough in Memorial Gym.

I think we should all grab torches and pitchforks and burn the place to the ground.

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by Truzenzuzex on Feb 18, 2009 7:34 AM EST up reply actions  

New gym design

I say we design a gym where the opposing bench is in the locker room.

by Clay Mason on Feb 18, 2009 8:15 AM EST up reply actions  

wahoo

tell me when and I will be there :)

by tenken on Feb 18, 2009 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree.

That gym explains why Vandy’s road record is usually putrid and their home record is respectable. Teams can’t shoot in Memorial for the exact same reasons Vandy can’t on the road. They are not used to the periphery.

I need a Sea of Blue because I am surrounded by Tennessee orange!

by sleepytimetea on Feb 20, 2009 3:10 AM EST up reply actions  

"They lose to a team that they should have beaten"

I don’t think this is a team we should have beaten… Without Pat and BCG’s refusal to play zone I figured we were in for loss…

 I don’t buy the quirkly gym thing… I have watched UK win there to many times and saw them beat two very good teams very badly their in the NCAA Tournament in 1994… If you want to make it quirky for Vandy choose the other bench and put them at a disadvantage also…

I am guessing if this team only wins two more games and is bounced in the first round of the SEC Tourney they could be NIT bound… The NIT is unacceptable!!!

Can they close with three wins in the last five??? Let’s hope so!!!

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by ShagOnSports on Feb 18, 2009 7:35 AM EST reply actions  

Why ...

… is the NIT unacceptable? Programs with more national championships than us have been to the NIT since we have (that should give it away).

The NIT would be a big disappointment, no doubt about it. But let’s face reality — this team is going nowhere in the tournament. After this loss, we will be lucky to get a non-double-digit seed. We simply aren’t good enough this year to be in any way relevant. I hate to say that, but there it is right in front of me, and I can no longer deny the apparent facts, at least as they look this morning. To be fair, I am a bit jaded right now, but I don’t think I am completely whacked out.

If we go to the NIT, I want to win the thing. That is doable. Winning the NCAA? That doesn’t look realistic even to an optimist like me. With the seed we are likely to get, even getting past the first game seems unlikely to me.

I am pretty much resigned to a bitter fate this year, barring an amazing turnaround. That is always possible, who knows? But I refuse to wallow in the muck and gripe about “talent” or the coach, or the officials, or how God hates us. Instead, I am just going to cheer for my team with a lot of energy but tempered hopes. Who knows?

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by Truzenzuzex on Feb 18, 2009 7:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Right on.

I’m done complaining as well. Cheer on the boys in blue and let’s just have some fun. We were not going to win the NCAA this year anyway. Let’s stop heaping criticism on a coach and team that is obviously giving it all, but just doesn’t seem to have it all this year.

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by hoopchi on Feb 18, 2009 8:09 AM EST up reply actions  

they

are awesome when they are playing well. Have we all forgotten about the Tennesse game among many others?

by tenken on Feb 18, 2009 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

The UT game was pretty fantastic

but UK’s overall performance is like that old childhood story: “When they were good, they were very, very good. But when they were bad, they were totally effing horrid.”

by BlueInNash on Feb 18, 2009 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

ok

I agree with the NIT part. I have just accepted that its not so bad. I think last year would have even been better for us to go NIT. BUT, this team has shown some greatness this year. Oppressive defefense and well MEEKS!! They just have to be consistent. Remember Duke has lost 4 out of the last 6. Not doomsday yet.

by tenken on Feb 18, 2009 9:24 AM EST up reply actions  

one more

thing……I am glad you brought up enjoying them. I am a huge Titans fan. Of course we went 10-0 this season before losing to the Jets. About midway through the season I just decided that no matter what happened that I was going to enjoy watching them play and I tell you it was the most fun season ever. Even the loss to Baltimore wasn’t so bad. It was a GREAT season. I hope that we all can appreciate that we are watching one of the greatest players or TWO of the greatest players in college basketball EVER! Lets enjoy them while they are here.

by tenken on Feb 18, 2009 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

big Titan fan here too

and I didn’t think they had a prayer at the beginning of the season. I guess that was the main difference. That was a surprise. This is a nightmare. My expectations were lofty, like all UK fans and I am (we are) paying the price. That’s OK though, in a year or two, we’ll all laugh at how desperate we look and sound right now!

I need a Sea of Blue because I am surrounded by Tennessee orange!

by sleepytimetea on Feb 20, 2009 3:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Amen

I totally like that attitude. No, I love that attitude! I have figured that my team this year isn’t the most talented group ever to wear the blue and white but they are still MY team. I also like them. As a group they seem like fine young men each one. All I can do is hope they do their best and achieve to the best of their abilities and cheer and support!

by LyricSmith on Feb 18, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I still say the NIT is unacceptable
  • Big step back if we do… If we do go there I for sure would want to win it though… I wish we would have went there last year but this this year is not acceptable…
  • The simple fact that this guy will not ever play a zone defense is bewildering… Vandy killed us inside last night in the 2nd half with the two big guys… A zone would have helped…
  • As I said yesterday BCG is going win his way over the next two years or someone else is going to be doing the coaching…
  • I can complain, cheer and chew gum all at the same time…

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by ShagOnSports on Feb 18, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

All that ...

… is true, but the arrangement and the view for shooters is very strange. That matters a lot. It also matters that the coaching boxes are on the ends, which really gives Stallings an advantage. Nobody else in the SEC (or almost anywhere else in Division I) has that arrangement.

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by Truzenzuzex on Feb 18, 2009 7:51 AM EST up reply actions  

i agree

That gym explains why Vandy’s road record is usually putrid and their home record is respectable. Teams can’t shoot in Memorial for the exact same reasons Vandy can’t on the road. They are not used to the periphery.

I need a Sea of Blue because I am surrounded by Tennessee orange!

by sleepytimetea on Feb 20, 2009 3:13 AM EST up reply actions  

have

you even been there? Its very very hard to win in that gym.

by tenken on Feb 18, 2009 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

It's the same length of court with two goals as practically any other arena out there.

If you said rabid squirrels chased opposing teams around the court and you were pelted with water balloons during play, then I would agree that it’s very hard to win in that gym.

And what about those years where Vandy was the SEC/NCAA cellar dweller in basketball? Teams sure found a way to win then.

And I’m sure Tru has been there.

by BlueInNash on Feb 18, 2009 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

my remark

wasn’t to Tru but to Shag

by tenken on Feb 18, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

More times then I can remember

I have actually played basketball in that gym… Yes it was pick up games, no there were not coaches on both ends of the floor but the background to shoot I thought was good…

We won there like ten times in a row at one points against some Vandy teams that were much better then this one…

ShagOnSports - "people should know when they are conquered"

by ShagOnSports on Feb 18, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe Gillispie just dosn't like some of the players and hopes they will transfer

and not play next season. Taking a loss like this is tough, but coach is definately not playing some people and playing the people he thinks will help now and in the future. We should be hable to evaluate him on those choices. IMO, if you are going to run the ball, you need to use all of this year’s resources. Time and time again Coach has stayed to 7-8 people playing all out all game long, while he sits with a bench of 19.

I don’t know if Patterson will get an offer to this year to the NBA since he gets hurt so often and has missed so many games in each of his last two years. Meeks, though on a team that is basically going nowhere, IMO will leave for the NBA, since there is no chance that this coach will get KY deep into the NCAA tournament. Jodie is as marketable as he can get. If he gets a decent offer, he should go.

For some reason, Porter, Stevenson and Harris have stopped developing and the problem is that the freshmen, though rated very highly when they came in, are not playing significantly better. The JUCOs have been second-class citizens since day one. IMO, they just have not been given the same level of opportunity to develop as Porter, Stevenson and Harris.

We will improve our talent due to next year’s incoming class of recruits, if they don’t back out realizing they may never have a chance to play. At the start of the season, we were looking for people to replace Bradley and Crawford. Next year we will need to find replacements for Meeks, Porter, Harris and Stevenson plus an “acceptable” bench that will get to play. It is possible we could have 4 four * ranked players on the second string next year.

Maybe rather than making all of these changes, we should consider a coaching change. Or just maybe we should settle for more of the same. Afterall, it is just KY basketball!

by Blueobsessed on Feb 18, 2009 8:08 AM EST reply actions  

Billy G

I don’t think he should be fired…..yet. To me, his biggest problem is he is too stubborn. He seems to have the mentality that his way is the best way, and they are going to keep doing it his way come hell or high water. He refuses to make adjustments. I understand that he always wants to play a man to man defense, but there are times when switching to a zone for a few possessions is beneficial.

I’ve given up trying to figure out why and who he plays off of the bench. I think some of the players do not have confidence, simply because they know that if they make one mistake, they are out.

Overall, I am disappointed in what he has doen so far. His X’s and O’s leave something to be desired. That may be due to only 2 guys knowing how to put the ball in the basket, however your only offensive plays can not be 1. Try to throw it in to a double teamed Patterson (when healthy) and 2. Run an on-ball screen for meeks. He can recruit, so hopefully he is just buying time until “his” guys are in place.

I also think the Edwards-gate has soiled Billy G’s reputation not only to the fan base, but to the nation. He comes across, right or wrong, as a grade A prick at times. The problem is, there is no reason for it. I don’t mind a coach getting fired up if he or she has been wronged. Billy G has a temper that gets the best of him at times.

To make a long story short, I give him 2 more years to turn it around before I start calling for his head.

by btcoop71 on Feb 18, 2009 8:55 AM EST reply actions  

No PPat, Meeks off night, and fouls.......

Pretty much sums up the game for me. Vandy exploited us inside, and without Pat and Stevenson in the twilight zone again it really hurt us. Vandy did a decent job defensively on Jodie but let’s face it, he just didn’t have a typical Jodiesque night. What wind we did have in our sails was squashed by the massive number of fouls called. Gathered we did foul more than usual, but not that much more. Bad officiating as I’ve seen this season. And yes, Memorial Gym totally sucks! It’s always a weird place to play. The BCG technical is a an absolute mystery to me. I never even saw him open his mouth. Weird. Hopefully we’ll bouce back.

by slidemank on Feb 18, 2009 8:58 AM EST reply actions  

Tough loss.

I watched the second half when somebody informed me of the halftime score. I’m not a basketball guru by any means, but Vandy did appear to be under much better control in the second half of the game. Kentucky’s frustrations were very evident, and that had a very negative impact on their play. As Tru mentioned (and setting all discussion of officiating aside), the inside drives of Vandy were lethal, particularly to your foul count. Once Kentucky had 2 or 3 players with 4 fouls and a lot of time left, they just didn’t have the margin for aggressiveness on defense.

Tennessee fans at RTT were torn on it. Naturally, some wanted the game advantage in the standing (and I’m sure you’re all Ole Miss fans tonight!), but some wanted the Saturday matchup to be on equal footing to add a bit more spice to it.

Will Patterson be back by Saturday (I have no idea on his injury)? UT’s strength is the interior; if they’d ever decide to actually use it, that could be a real problem if Kentucky doesn’t solve the interior woes from last night. (Fortunately for Kentucky, UT has a way of allowing record-setting nights by guards. You know, just in case you didn’t know or something…)

by Hooper on Feb 18, 2009 9:21 AM EST reply actions  

It takes years to build a championship team

Am I the only one who is glad that Coach doesn’t take short cuts?

He is trying to install toughness and he is standing on his principle. This I will respect.

by khlim2 on Feb 18, 2009 9:26 AM EST reply actions  

good

point and one I don’t think I have thought about.

by tenken on Feb 18, 2009 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Very glad ...

… that there are no short cuts. I am not really too discouraged this year. I will be really discouraged if we are in this position next year.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Feb 18, 2009 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Winning is the only principle

that matters. Every coach’s mission and strategy should be to do whatever it takes to win each and every game with honor and dignity. That’s the principle. Stubbornness is not principle.

by Fortunatus on Feb 18, 2009 9:36 AM EST reply actions  

True ...

… but just to play devil’s advocate, sometimes you have to stand on principle to make a point to a player, to properly coach him. If your argument were applied, no coach would ever suspend their best player like Pelphrey did recently.

Winning is not the only thing. It just isn’t, and never has been. It can’t be in a team sport. Some principles are worth losing for.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Feb 18, 2009 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Wait a minute ...

… don’t we have to qualify that? To be stubborn with respect to discipline is surely laudable, at least to some degree. Stubborn with respect to effort — that also seems desirable.

Which “stubborn” do you refer to?

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Feb 18, 2009 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Stubborn refusal to make adjustments

When something is not working in the course of a game, sometime you have to be flexible. Case in point, look at the football team. Brooks wants to run a wide open passing offense. Enter Cobb, and Brooks and Co. had to adjust their gameplans.

by btcoop71 on Feb 18, 2009 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

he

did adjust…….just didnt’ work

by tenken on Feb 18, 2009 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Feb 18, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

6-6

Liberty Bowl… about the NIT equivalent.

I need a Sea of Blue because I am surrounded by Tennessee orange!

by sleepytimetea on Feb 20, 2009 3:15 AM EST up reply actions  

amen

and on a much smaller smaller scale…….I have to do that with my best player this weekend. She shoots first instead of passing. Did that I don’t know how many times last week. Gonna sit her on Saturday. Makes me sick but she must learn that she has to listen to coach/authority or she will killed in middle school.

by tenken on Feb 18, 2009 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

ok

I don’t know how to word this right, but a coach’s reponsibiilty is to teach his kids how to play ball. Kentucky fans must realize that this isn’t a pro team. These are college kids. We don’t own them. The human part of me wants Billy to teach these kids how to play good basketball. I want him to teach them lessons about life that will carry them far. I don’t think he is open about what he is trying to teach them and it drives me and other crazy but again I say HIS FIRST priority is those boys. Not us.

by tenken on Feb 18, 2009 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Sometimes you can't have both

And this is one of the time. (Without PP, or any other serviceable bigs)

by khlim2 on Feb 18, 2009 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't understand

the Gillespie criticism here. Sure he probably screwed up the lineup, he’s too stubborn, he practices too much, and everything else. But the bottom line is that we’re missing the reigning SEC Freshmen of the Year and we are an extremely young team. How many of our players have been through these SEC road battles? To make everything worse, we were playing on College basketball’s most unfair gymnasium.

Sure Gillespie has made some errors but get off of his case. We would’ve had to do something extraordinary last night to win against a desperate Vandy team playing on their funky court.

by ukwildcatfan40 on Feb 18, 2009 10:48 AM EST reply actions  

Tought Game

Well, last nights game was tough. No only did we have to play Vandy and deal with the crowd, but we also had to play the refs, and you never beat the refs. Don’t get my wrong, Vandy made some plays in the second half and got guys open, but if the refs had kept their whistle in their pocket in the first half, UK would have been up 10 at half (or if they would have called the game evenly). I have never seen so many away from the ball fouls. UK prides itself on physical play, which was needed more than ever with Patterson out, and the refs took that away from us.

Porter should not be plaing for a big time Div-I program. Liggins and Miller are improving which is great. Ramon Harris is a role player at best. BG is still working on getting his players. If Meeks and Patterson stay, with Orton, Hood, and Vinny coming in, and Liggins and Miller maturing, next year will be the real test for BG and his coaching, as the excuse of not having talent won’t be relevant. BG is recruting well, we have Furgeson coming in 2 years, a 5-star player. It will take some time. Hey look at Duke, all that latent and they are underachiving, and have for the last 3 years. BG is trying to get his guys to over achieve and work with what was left for him. Things will get better, but we must be patient.

The season is now 5 games. UK must win 4 out of the 5 if they want to make the big dance. We will see how much guts and pride this team has.

Lane

by Laird on Feb 18, 2009 11:00 AM EST reply actions  

What else do you want

On offense, we have players wide open nearly every time down the court. We’re usually pretty solid on defense. The only problem I have with Billy G is his substitution pattern. Until we get some players that can make wide open shots and demonstrate some iota of a basketball IQ, Adolph Rupp couldn’t do anything more with this team. I think Stevenson gets softer every game. I was glad Billy G finally gave his minutes to Stewart last night. Harris isn’t much of a player but there’s not many other choices. I bet Billy G would like to cut 4 or 5 players and recruit their replacements next year but he doesn’t blame them.
I can’t say this enough, that was a pitiful display of reffing last night. Typical at Memorial, I guess all those turtlenecks scare the zebras.

by daniel81 on Feb 18, 2009 11:25 AM EST reply actions  

It is a relevant point...

…to say that a coach has drawn up the correct plays if his team is getting open looks. You are right, what else can he do? Go out and knock down the shot?

by LyricSmith on Feb 18, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Gillispie

All this anti-Gillispie crap makes me sick. I am at the point where I only enjoy watching the games alone – dont want to hear that crap. I mentioned yesterday that I wished that I could have live blogged the Vandy game, but now I definitely take that back. I dont think I could have stomached it after reading the post mortem – no way will I go back and read the live thread. Honestly I am getting where I have a hard time even logging onto this site and I hate that. My feelings are very strong on this. No – things arent that good right now, but hell.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Feb 18, 2009 12:20 PM EST reply actions  

Agree

Yeah, it’s pretty ridiculous, like the fans who boo our players. I hate it.
We have a talent deficit compared to what we’re used to. We have Meeks and (injured) Patterson, and a bunch of promising newcomers, and most importantly, no experience at the point. What do you expect?
Give Gillispie some time, people. If we’re no good at the end of his fourth year, then complain.

by EEWildcat on Feb 18, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually,

during the game there’s not much coach bashing, except for the occasional “where’s (insert player name here)?”.

The coach bashing seems to usually come in the Post Mortem when post game frustrations are at their peak. Maybe we need a cooling off period before making comments after the game. ’-)

by hoboat33 on Feb 18, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks

I really do enjoy the live threads. I have had limited internet access lately so I have been missing them. I understand peoples’ frustrations, I really do. I am really passionate about UK, too, its just that I am on the other side of the coin where I find it really hard to get into that kind of mindset – I am guilty of doing it a few times myself, however. The negativity just really gets to me.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Feb 18, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Young

We are just a young team. If we are still struggling next year, I’ll start to worry.

by daniel81 on Feb 18, 2009 12:36 PM EST reply actions  

coaching

So many of these games could have been won, but poor coaching cost us many of the games we could of have won. WE are NIT bound now. Tell me why BG used a small line up most of the game? I can not understand this type of coaching.Someone needs to coach the coach. He seems to seperate himself from his players. I have lost respect for this coach.HE needs to be part of the team like a 6th player on the court. He never realy motivateshis players. The players don"t seem like they have a relation with BG.HE simply dose not motivate his players like a real coach is should do that is part of coaching.

by DTBCAKY on Feb 18, 2009 12:54 PM EST reply actions  

Why?

Because it was more effective. Our +/- with a smaller lineup was drastically better in the first half.

by EEWildcat on Feb 18, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Then Stallings made adjustments

and our smaller lineup was drastically worse the second half.

by Danvillecat on Feb 18, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree 100% with this statement:

“Billy Clyde is a good coach who has the potential to win big. But in order to do so, I think he has to firmly adjust his principles to a new reality of Kentucky basketball and players/coaches on an elite level. Right now what we have makes little sense. I can take losing because of a lack of talent or even mistakes. But losing for irrational decisions that seem to have little to no purpose….that is difficult to accept.”

http://new.kentuckysportsradio.com/?p=14179

by btcoop71 on Feb 18, 2009 1:17 PM EST reply actions  

After

calming down and thinking rationally I think that I can safely say that there are merits to both sides of Billy G. I think that he was brought in to be the savior of this program or at least get us back to competing nationally. Although, it had only been two years when Tubby left that we did compete nationally. That is how crazy we were. We griped and griped about Tubby losing to MSU in overtime and how we didn’t get to the final four. That was a heartbreaker loss. But again it shows how impatient we are. So after two years of mediocre in season play Tubby left and we felt Billy would come in and save the day. What we expected was immediate improvement. What we got was less then what Tubby did for us prior. So this year many of us hoped and felt that improvement would be made and like Tru said there has been as compared to last season to this point. We are still vunerable to losses but are we stronger then last year? YES! So that is good. But I still feel that those who think that Billy G had the potential to be better then he is-is also correct. But what Billy may be implenting is staying power. The guy who said that on here earlier is right on and it really made me think.

by tenken on Feb 18, 2009 1:51 PM EST reply actions  

Patience

Gillispie deserves more of a chance than the better part of 2 seasons.

UK is not better than the healthy UK team during SEC play in 2008. Overall UK is better, or has a better record (18-8 vis-a-vis 18-13).

by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 18, 2009 2:30 PM EST reply actions  

since

we are tied with that record of four losses you cannot say that yet

by tenken on Feb 18, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Not Yet

But 12-4 is a better record than 7-4.

As I stated elsewhere on ASOB today, UK can still wind up 12-4 in SEC play if (1) PP is healthy and (2) UK regains its confidence.

by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 18, 2009 2:44 PM EST reply actions  

Really

What else would you have done differently last night? Only thing I can think of is maybe play Harrelson more. They don’t have skilled offensive players. I’m not talking about a third double digit scorer, I’m just talking about a third guy that can hit an open shot.

by daniel81 on Feb 18, 2009 4:01 PM EST reply actions  

I completely agree...

and the way the whistle was blowing… Patterson would have had as many fouls as anyone else. He would have still ended up where he sat all night.

I need a Sea of Blue because I am surrounded by Tennessee orange!

by sleepytimetea on Feb 20, 2009 3:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Good Point

I hadnt thought about that – Patterson would have more than likely been in foul trouble early.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Feb 20, 2009 8:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Still on the fence concerning BG

I wasn’t sold on the idea of bringing him here in the first place. He had a great year at A & M and he beat UL at Rupp in the tourney so many were sold. I had never even heard of him untill A & M started having such a good year. I felt like they needed somebody with a little more pollish and expierence. Really the guy I thought they should have went after,since Billy D,Calipari,Barnes,Izzo were out of the picture,was Tom Creen. I think IU made a great choice there. I think BG’s ego gets in his way. His subsitution pattern is just outright maddening. And I think the players,especially the young ones,are always playing scared because they know if they make a mistake they will be benched. And maybe not return for a game or two. I have never understoof the refusal to play zone,by any coach,and BG is one who refuses. I think maybe a zone would have helped last night. They said before he came that he was a great recruiter and although that remains to be seen as of yet,I think we have to give him a chance. For how long I’m not sure but if they were to can him now,I’m not sure who would come here. I don’t want John Pelphrey or Travis Ford. Darin Horn down the road,maybe. Really,I still want Billy D. and the next time around he may come. Last time the timing wasn’t right.

by maysvilleblue on Feb 18, 2009 4:39 PM EST reply actions  

I can stand BCG...

But yes, he does need to shape up. Wheres the BCG team we had earlier in the year? Billy G.‘s Cats just disappeared. I’m not sure why, but this is definitely not the same team that only lost to UL by 3 and then went on to win 7 games in a row. I can give BCG one more year, and hopefully his recruiting is pretty good, if not then I say we go for someone else.

by jmcclellan13 on Feb 18, 2009 5:27 PM EST reply actions  

I just

want to say that I was totally out of line to call coach out like that. I apologize for letting my anger come out on here because of a loss. It wasn’t fair to other Kentucky fans or Coach(even though I know he will never see this). Please accept my apology to all those who were offended.

by tenken on Feb 18, 2009 10:06 PM EST reply actions  

Re: tenken

There is no need to apologize. You did not cross the line into “bad taste” territory.

Criticizing the coach is part of being a fan. No one is going to agree 100% with every decision a coach makes, and I see nothing wrong with questioning the man in charge.

This coach, while I still like and admire him, is one of the most hard-headed head coaches I’ve ever encountered in my time, and deserves SOME of the derision he is receiving.

by Ken Howlett on Feb 18, 2009 10:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks

for saying that Ken. But for me it was out of my character to say those things. I am a little quick tempered at times! I actually slapped the tv last night. Not a good night. Still no excuse.

He is hard headed and I am hoping that it turns into a magical run of dominance in the next decade like we had in the 90’s.

by tenken on Feb 18, 2009 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Trust me ...

… frustration and crushed hopes can make us all a little nuts. I have made my share of angry comments that I later regretted, and so has nearly everyone else.

Don’t sweat it.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Feb 19, 2009 6:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Some Perspective

BG needs more time. He did not recruit Porter, Harris, or Stevenson. What he has done is sucked every ounce of talent out of these players. Our 2 superstars are a true sophomore and Meeks, who is a junior, but really is only playing for his second year. BG recruited Patterson and has helped him to develop into one of the best PF in basketball. Meeks is playing better than anyone in b-ball other than Griffin. Again, Meeks emerged under BG’s coaching. So we have 2 of the 5 pieces this year, and UK has managed to win 18 games and beat some good teams. Liggins and Miller have potential and have progressively gotten better. Galloway is emergin too. Next year, we have Orton (5-star) and Hood (four star) and Zollo (3-star). I feel that that Zollo is very underrated at this time. So, if Meeks and Patterson return. The starting lineup will include those Meeks – 4 star, Patterson – 5 star, Liggins – 4 star, Miller – 4 star, and possibly Orton – 5 star. Then you have Hood – 4 star as a backup, with Galloway, Stewart, Stevenons, and Zollo (who I think will emerge to be a very good “true” point guard). This means that Porter and Harris , for sure will see much less playing time. Stevenson may start initially, but that will change. Next year is the year UK needs to make vast improvment. So, save judgment until the end of the next year, because to be honest, UK has overachieved the last 2 years, which comes from good coaching. Yes at times BG frustrates me, but I understand too. He is learning too and learning how to coach for a great program in a tough era of college b-ball. Kids are leaving earlier every year and the talent is more spread around than ever. Things are not the same now as they were in the 90’s and that needs to be taken into account. Oh yeah, and 2 years from now we have another 5 – star coming, plus others. Just be patient.

Lane

by Laird on Feb 18, 2009 11:17 PM EST reply actions  

Porter, Harris, Stevenson

Porter was recruited as back-up G. He starts over Liggins and Galloway, coach’s decision.

Harris was recruited as back-up wing. He starts over Miller, coach’s decision.

Stevenson was 2-time All-Stater in Louisiana and is the ALL-TIME leading HS shot blocker, EVER. Named to prestigious Roundball Classic All-Star game. Heavily sought by LSU, Texas, Ga Tech (et al).

Meeks would be a star regardless where he played or who coached him.

Patterson was leaning heavily to UK in March 2007. Gillispie closed the deal in May but he was UK’s to lose all along

UK signed (3) 5-star recruits in 2004. One in 2007, none in 2008, one in 2009, one in 2010. 5-star is a Red Herring.

The 2002 UK team had several 5-star players. Prince, Bogans, Parker, Stone, Carruth (specifically).

The 1998 UK team had one 5-star player – Turner. Which team did U prefer – 2002 or 1998?

by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 19, 2009 1:15 AM EST up reply actions  

1998

And not for the obvious reason but rather because they had the winning attitude, skills and execution learned from Rick Pitino. Once those advantages were lost and replaced with lesser instruction UK was not to reach the promised land — The Final Four — in the next decade and counting.

by Wild Weasel on Feb 19, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

1998 Had Less Talent Than Several UK Teams Of The 2000's Decade

5 players on that roster NEVER played for Pitino – Evans, Saul, Bradley, Anthony, Hogan.

The rest played but none started (full-time). None averaged 10+ ppg. None made All-SEC. Under Pitino, that is.

by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 19, 2009 12:51 PM EST reply actions  

Funny

UK defeated Rick Pitino’s teams (HEAD-2-HEAD) 4 out of 6 times from 2002 thru 07.

Not so good lately (0-2) with the coaching change at UK.

by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 19, 2009 1:05 PM EST reply actions  

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