SEC Power Poll Round Table: Answers
As usual, I have been somewhat remiss on my poll posting. I lost power during the storm yesterday until about 10:30 last night, and I have been just swamped with other work, so polling stuff has gone begging.
I am still participating (and will continue to participate) in the SEC Power Poll, the latest iteration of which you can find here. I won't post my ballot right now, because new ballots are due today and it just seems silly. You can see some of my comments at the link above.
But I do want to address the Round Table Questions:
1. What were the biggest surprises in the SEC over the first half of the season?
So far, South Carolina is the biggest surprise in the East as far as success goes. Darrin Horn has found a way to make what looks like a cobbled-together lineup very successful, and Devan Downey just keeps getting better.
From a negative standpoint in the East, it has to be Tennessee. Many (although I was not among them) thought UT would be serious national contenders this year, and they showed great promise in the early season. But lately, UT has looked more and more vulnerable, and their back court play has simply not been good enough.
In the West, Mississippi State is a big surprise. I thought the loss of Gordon and Charles Rhodes would be too much to overcome, but I think they have done so. The three-point shooting on that team, the way they use four guards, and the freakish shot blocking of Jarvis Varnado is just a matchup nightmare.
From a negative standpoint, I think you have to say Arkansas. Even though I figured the Razorbacks would have a down year this year, they started off like gangbusters and beat two highly ranked teams before tanking in SEC play. I expected them to be less good in SEC play, but no way did I see them 1-8 at this point.
2. Who is the SEC Player of the Year over the first part of the season?
Jodie Meeks. Homer vote, I know, but I think he has been the most consistently good offensively and has contributed in a lot of different ways. My second-place vote would have to go to Nick Calathes. He just does so many things well that it's easy to lose track of just how good he is.
3. Is the SEC really this down? Why or why not? What can the conference do in the post season? Is there any hope for a Final Four team? Where does the conference go after this year?
The SEC is down. That we know. How far down is a little hard to say. With all the youth in the league (which answers the question, "Why") you would have to expect them to become more and more dangerous as March approaches.
What can the conference do? Recruit good players, and replace the two open coaching spots with quality coaches. One of the reasons the conference is so great in football is the high quality of coaching. The SEC does have some good coaches, but it also has some underachievers. Two of those underachievers have been freed up for other opportunities.
This year, I would say a Final Four is out of reach except as a big-time Cinderella. No team in the SEC is good enough to compete on a consistent basis with the UConn's, North Carolinas or Dukes this year. I'd say the best we can rationally hope for in the tournament is more than one team making the sweet 16.
The conference will be much, much better next year. I see very few early NBA defections, and there are some quality young players in this league that are going to be great as time goes on. New coaches at Alabama and Georgia are likely to make those programs more attractive. Bruce Pearl, Billy Donovan and Billy Gillispie are still recruiting studs. I see the league returning to form as early as next year.
4.Which teams will make the Big Dance?
Tennessee, LSU, Kentucky, Mississippi State, Florida and South Carolina all have good chances to get in. Ole Miss has been playing well enough that it could play its way in, but I see no more than six and more likely five teams from the league getting in, including the automatic berth.
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Tournament Teams
Last year we got 6 in but only thanks to UGA’s whirlwind performence in the SEC tournament. I see no way we get more than 5 and maybe only 4 unless there is another suprise in Tampa. The difference this year is that, except for UGA, anybody can beat anybody else. We will probably not have a team seeded higher than 6 but we only had two (UT and Vandy) higher than 8 last year. What is exciting is that you can make a case for 7 teams all at seedings of 7 or less. Bottom line there is really no one in and only 2 or 3 out.
I think the Calathes/Meeks battle will go down to the final game and alot of people picked Alabama to win the west.
I think 5 teams will get in.
1.) LSU at 20-4…….. They are 8-1 in the SEC and have only 4 losses. They won @ Tennessee, beat Mississippi State twice and clobbered South Carolina. They are a lock to get in.
2.) Florida at 19-5…… They have 19 wins and should finish with 23 or 24 wins in the regular season. They have a good RPI and beat Washington and South Carolina. Most of their losses (4) have been really close games.
3.) South Carolina at 17-5…. They won at Baylor, beat Florida and won at UK. Darin Horn has done a great job with that team.
4.) Kentucky at 17-7…… We beat Kansas State and West Virginia on a neural court. We also won at Tennessee by double digits and beat Florida.
5.) Tennessee at 15-8…….They have played a really tough non-conference schedule and will get rewarded for that. They beat Georgetown, Marquette, South Carolina and Florida.
I don’t see Miss State or Ole Miss getting in unless they win the SEC Tournament.
GBB!!!
I think you're probably right, Ogre, unless
any of those above teams suffer a breakdown down the stretch (unfortunately, UK, and not unfortunately, Tennessee, are probably most susceptible to this). And as Memphis mentions below, those 4 east teams still play each other, and depending on what happens, could put a few east teams in a bad situation.
I’m guessing UK runs the tables.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
agree with everything - however
4 teams from the east may be tough as we all still have games against each other and could end up knocking one of the 4 out
by memphis wildcat on Feb 12, 2009 11:16 AM EST reply actions
Based on last nights game...
….has anyone seen a ‘surer bet’ that the final two will be UConn v. UNC??? I am hard pressed to think of another year where two teams at the top of the list seem to be far superior than the rest of the field. I wonder if there is some sort of Vegas data that would compare a two team parlay from the past years.
I think Oklahoma is a paper tiger. Wake Forest is too young. Both Duke and UofL have been owned by these respective teams. Michigan State? No way. UCLA? Ha..haa.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
Interesting.
and although this has nothing to do with Tru’s “SEC Power Poll” post, I feel compelled to reply. : )
At this point in time, I will agree with you on UConn. But about UNC, care to make a wager?
I’m going out on a bit of a limb here and I will admit that the OU defense is sometimes non-existent, but since I’m totally on the Blake Griffin bandwagon right now, and based on principle and the fact that I really can’t feel good about myself for ever picking UNC (there is that little issue of the all time wins, you know) — I will take Oklahoma over UNC.
I would also love to see OU and UNC go head to head. I would pay good money to see a Hansbrough / B. Griffin matchup. If you ask me, that would be fascinating entertainment and if I were a betting girl (and I am : )) I would be "all in" on Griffin. No question.
UConn vs UNC
It will be fun to see how Hansbrough and Thabeet match up. Ty’s ability to step away from the basket and hit the jumper may give him the edge if he can pull Thabeet away from the basket.
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I sort of think the matchups depend
I can’t back this up, but my gut says Louisville would fare much better against UNC than UCONN. I think Louisville could run with UNC, and that Louisville’s press would give UNC some fits.
I think I ultimately see the 1 seeds as UCONN, UNC, Louisville, and Oklahoma (I’m just hoping Duke doesn’t get one). Louisville needs to keep winning and kick ass in the Big East tournament to solidify beating out Pitt for a #1 seed, though. They beat Pitt, but the losses to Western and UNLV might bite them at seeding time.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
Louisville
I would HATE to see Lousiville as a number one seed.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Feb 12, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, I would too
but as much as I hate to admit it, they’re still playing as one of the top 4 teams in the country right now, and have been for a few weeks. Had it now been for the losses to UNLV and WKU, they would have been a clear top 4 team in the rankings right now, probably 2 or 3.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
Duke won't get a 1 seed
They are going to lose to UNC again and probably to Wake Forest plus another loss in the ACC tournament.
...when you let other people tell you what success is, you already have no chance of ever finding it. - Doug Glanville
2 wins against Pitt would negate other 'issues'.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
UConn is very good
At the beginning of the season their one weakness was team defense (yes, even with Thabeet) but that seems to have been corrected. I don’t think UNC could handle them mostly because UNC doesn’t play defense.
...when you let other people tell you what success is, you already have no chance of ever finding it. - Doug Glanville
Yeah, the only thing would be whether UCONN can score enough.
Like one of the ugly white Duke players said after last night’s game, “[Paraphrasing] We tried to run with Carolina. You can’t run with Carolina.”
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
Offense is not a problem
They have the 7th best Off Eff. in the country and the 5th best adj. Off. Eff.
...when you let other people tell you what success is, you already have no chance of ever finding it. - Doug Glanville
FWIW, I agree, and think UCONN > UNC, but IF UNC got things rolling like last night (especially if UCONN reverted
to their early season defensive lapses, which is unlikely) they are a very hard team to beat. 57 pts. in a half, against Duke, is pretty impressive.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
57 points in a half against anybody is impressive
I do think that UNC can beat UConn, just that it is very unlikely. I don’t think UNC can put together the kind of defensive effort they had against Duke in the 2nd half. Clearly they are capable of doing it, but they haven’t played that way for 90% of the season so far and I think they only reason they did it Wednesday was because it was a big rivalry game.
...when you let other people tell you what success is, you already have no chance of ever finding it. - Doug Glanville
That really hurts UCONN. Too bad.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
Perhaps
But UNC will be without Ginyard, their best individual defender. If both teams were completely healthy I would still take UConn, but I want to see them play a few games w/o Dyson before possibly changing my mind.
...when you let other people tell you what success is, you already have no chance of ever finding it. - Doug Glanville
SEC being "down"
I don’t think a good argument can be made that the SEC isn’t down, but the main reason is the conference’s youth.
KenPom has a formula in which he ranks teams by experience. All of the SEC rank below 250 in that category (out of 320+ teams).
There are some very good young players in the league, many of which we saw Tuesday in Rupp. Arkansas starts three freshman; UT has Hopson and Renaldo Woolridge; Vandy has excellent freshmen in Brad Tinsley and Jeffery Taylor, along with soph. AJ Ogilvey; Georgia has soph. Zac Swansey and freshman Howard Thompkins; LSU has soph Bo Spencer; ’Bama has frosh JaMychal Green and soph Senario Hillman; MSU has soph Ravern Johnson and freshman Dee Bost — All of those players either start or paly major minutes for their respective schools. Also, Ole Miss would have been a very good team had they not lost three starters to injury — Heck, as Tru points out, they still have an outside shot at making the Big Dance.
So yes, the SEC is down a bit, but not for long.
SEC not down for long?
Are you sure? This article in the NYT’s suggests that recruiting or lack thereof, is the main culprit and because of this, the relative weakness will last awhile.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/07/sports/ncaabasketball/07sec.html
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
You are on a roll today.
Drinking already? ;)
by kentuckygirl0724 on Feb 13, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Nah ...
… he’s on a troll today. Get off that troll, Hoze!
The NYT has a point. SEC recruiting isn’t as good as it needs to be, and other conferences are doing better.
But one thing I have noticed is that there are an awful lot of sleeper prospects in the South that the SEC tends to get. So I’m not as sanguine as they are about that.
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Well because the new york times says so it must be true. Seriously though I dont think that recruiting is entirely the issue. I think the problem is a combination of several poor coaches, youth, and lastly to a smaller extent recruiting. Sure a lot of the lower tier SEC schools dont recruit all that well but its not the lower tier schools that are the problem. I can think of four schools who IMO share a youth problem, which would be UK, UF, UT to some extent, USC, Ark, all will be much better next year. I would say an infusion of new coaching blood and youthful players gaining more experience will have the SEC back as a good conference in no more than two years. Over the last several years the SEC had been hit hard by an overabundance of early departure for the NBA by a number of players many of them illadvised. Also the SEC just won the championship two years ago. It doesnt take as long to build a basketball program as a football program. Two years, three tops and the SEC will be challenging for titles again.
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Well, I do admit I sacrificed a portion of my soul referencing the NYT's.
But if they do what they say they are going to on going back to charge for internet access that will give me a good reason again not to read it again.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
Not yet.
Remember….Chicago is on central time. :)
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

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