John Wall Wants To Send UNC Home with an "L"
I think John Wall may have a bone to pick with North Carolina. He's downplaying it, but I really think that he feels jilted by Roy Williams & Co. Worse, he may feel outright disrespected, as though Williams thought him somehow unworthy of a scholarship offer, or some kind of "trouble."
Now, the story is well-known that Roy Williams called John Wall at one point in the process. It is also well known that Brian Clifton, the AAU coach responsible for Wall having to sit out two games this year, strongly disliked Roy Williams. What we really don't know is why.
A couple of Tar Heel blog posts offer some insight into this whole kerfuffle. This one essentially suggests that it's illogical for Clifton to like Krzyzewski and dislike Williams. I had to laugh at that, but you can't blame a Tar Heel fan for defending a coach that has brought them two national championships, or for disliking the coach of arch-rival Duke -- at least UK fans and Tar Heel fans share that particular emotion.
What is there, though, is this interesting point:
This is not to say Roy is not without his flaws. I also think it is possible that Roy or his staff may have mishandled interactions with Clifton leaving a bad impression.
Yes, that is possible, and quite frankly, Clifton is an unsavory and unreliable character, in my opinion, no matter what Wall thinks of him. So it's hard to blame ol' Roy if he was less than pleased about the prospects of having Clifton in the picture. But if you were Williams, and lacking a true point guard like he is now, would you let that stop you from recruiting a home-state player that is ranked as one of the best pure point guards in recent history?
More after the jump.
Then, there is this post that purports to explain why Williams did not recruit Wall, and this, at least, is plausible:
In addition, UNC has a phenomenal combo guard in Dexter Strickland and a top rated pure point guard in Kendall Marshall joining the squad in 2009 and 2010, respectively. A rumor once circulated that Marshall was even promised by Williams that he would not take any more point guards until 2011, as a condition for taking Marshall on so early (he committed at the end of his 10th grade season). Whether or not this is true, there’s no question that the addition of Wall would ruffle at least a couple of players’ feathers (or their parents’, which can be even worse). Tricky family politics and the weakening of fragile player egos is a headache Williams does not want.
If Kendall Marshall actually dictated to Williams the terms of his matriculation, that shows far more weakness in Williams than I would have imagined. What the author is essentially saying is that every other parent or guardian would be upset about Wall coming to North Carolina. I find that funny, and if true, belies the Williams' reputation as a strong personality who does the right thing for the right reasons.
There is also some discussion of Walls failure to qualify on the first test score being a concern, but as we well know, Wall is a very good student and is approaching it with the same competitive spirit as he approaches his basketball. Wall has proven himself to be a young man of exceptional character, and if Williams could not see past his first non-qualifying entrance exam score, then his blindness would belie his outstanding record as a recruiter.
Then, there is this:
Finally, Wall has a handler named Brian Clifton who has gone on record as saying he hates UNC. One of his biggest concerns is control over Wall’s use, and control over who his NBA agent will be. Clifton knows that Williams will never work through him, or even keep him in the loop. Roy Williams recruits players, not handlers or influencers. This has lost UNC recruits in the past (like Delvon Roe). The reasons for the strict rules on recruiting are part of Williams’ principles that keep his program, and his conscience, clean. The presence of Clifton and all the tampering and agenda inserting that he would bring is a mess Roy Williams won’t desire to clean up.
I'm quite confident Calipari is not "working through" Brian Clifton in any way, so this is just a bunch of hooey. Wall can have whatever agent he wants when he decides to go on to the next level. There is no reason to believe that Roy Williams had more (or less) reason to be concerned about Clifton than Calipari did. This is nothing more than an attempt to use Williams' reputation as a "man of principle" (hear that, Kansas?) to cast aspersions on Wall, suggesting Brian Clifton's and Wall's interests are one and the same.
Larry Vaught takes up arms against the UNC fans attacking John Wall's character, which is really an unfortunate thing for fans of any stripe to do. Nobody could disagree that Brian Clifton is a suspect guy, but don't you think Williams could have made an offer contingent on the understanding that Clifton stayed away? Sure, he could have.
But he didn't. Good for us.
In the end, what was Carolina's loss is clearly our gain. We got an outstanding young man who works as hard in the classroom as on the basketball court. I hope he keeps his emotions under control on Saturday, although that could be difficult. I am quite confident that he feels kicked to the curb by Williams, and I expect beating his team would make Wall especially happy.
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I think
John Wall will have a big game against UNC. I look for Cousins to get in early foul trouble and see little playing time, hope I am wrong. Our outside shooters will have to be hot and Patterson will have to have his biggest game this season. And we will have to hit our free throws since the refs traditionally send UNC to the line a lot.
Clifton
It is my understanding that Wall’s mother extricated Clifton from Wall’s life. I don’t know what Clifton did, but Wall’s mother had some pretty harsh things to say about him. Perhaps it had to do with her finding out (some time ago) that Clifton was an agent, thus putting her son’s future at risk … but that’s pure speculation.
Regardless, I also look for Wall to have a little extra motivation (as if he is in need of more motivation) coming into Sat’s game. But, being a freshmen, he can’t allow that to overtake the instructions of the head coach.
I wouldnt want to be UNC trying to stop him come Saturday
If Williams got himself embroiled in any of the above, then he has his own problems.So far Wall has proven himself to be exactly what he was touted to be. A good kid who loves basketball more than life itself,and will do whatever he has to, and do it well, to get to play. I wish all of college ball had more kids with his approach to the game.
Remember, we're having fun now!!!
I hope
Wall doesn’t bend his halo on a breakaway dunk.
by don'tshootmei'macard on Dec 3, 2009 9:54 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
unlike some other card fans on this site
your comments are logical and insightful. you’ve also been pretty funny (like above) without being harsh or taking potshots. nicely done.
+1
GO BIG BLUE!! GO BIG BLUE!!
by UKWildCatFanatic on Dec 3, 2009 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
Truthfully,
if I was starting a team from scratch, I’d pick Wall first. However, if I was allowed to add a UK player to Louisville’s current lineup, I’d go with Patterson. We need an inside presence!
by don'tshootmei'macard on Dec 4, 2009 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
Good choices both......Patterson has more heart than anyone I have seen play in a long time
Wall may be the most talented point guard I have seen in 20 years
Remember, we're having fun now!!!
i wonder if his drive to make straight A's
is not also impacted by the perceived academic strength of UNC…
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on Dec 3, 2009 11:37 PM EST reply actions
Perhaps.
Who knows?
Whatever the motivation, it is refreshing to see. Perhaps if he were to somehow (against all reason) stay a few years at UK, he would turn out to be as dedicated as Patrick Patterson.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
I like your thought process here...
Keep talking, maybe you can speak it into the truth! :-)
If your wings don't sweep....
A surplus of guard talent at UNC as the reason RW did not recruit Wall is the biggest factor
The rest
Wall has baggage: is envy and ignores the young man’s tenure so far at UK.
Clifton dislikes RW: gives too much power to Clifton, IMO.
No matter where you're at, there you are
Hmm.
They have a couple of combo guards, but no true point guard until next year.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
Why didn't UNC recruit Wall? I ask for opinions
I don’t but conspiracy theories. Holy Mackerel, the guy has all the tools.
No matter where you're at, there you are
I agree.
I don’t think there was any kind of conspiracy, just a coach who bought what he heard and didn’t investigate much.
Hope it comes back to bite him.
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Saturday Game
JW will have his day!!!…we are so fortunate to have him here at UK, a great kid and EXCEPTIONAL TALENT!!!…from what I’ve seen of this kid’s work, we’ll be sooo proud of him wearing our shade of Blue!!!
"Get your facts first, then you can distort them as much as you please."...Mark Twain.
Patterson, Not Wall, Is Key
While John Wall appears to be an unusually mature young man even the most mature can often become overmotivated to the point of ineffectiveness, let’s hope that’s not the case. IMO Patrick Patterson’s performance — especially on the boards — and leadership will be the key to a UK victory. His continued poor performance at the FT line could cost a win.
"Learn(ing) without thinking begets ignorance. Think(ing) without learning is dangerous."
-Confucius
We do ...
… need all of Patrick Patterson.
And I think he will really be looking forward to this game as well – he didn’t perform that well against Deon Thomson last year, and even though I think he will be matched up with Ed Davis this year, I suspect he has something to prove.
Plus, Patrick has never had the pleasure of defeating the Tar Heels in two tries.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
Gut check time for P Pat
If he shines, UK wins and; P Pat goes lottery ballistic
No matter where you're at, there you are
Patterson is the key
Wall is very good, but Drew is no slouch. They will be an intense match-up.
UNC was too big inside for Michigan State, which means Cousins will have his hands full, and could likely be in foul trouble.
That makes Patterson the key to the game (imo).
I have high hopes for the Cats tomorrow,
but I’m not as optimistic as most of today’s commenters.
I predict
that if UK wins tomorrow the bench will have to play a bigger role than they have so far. Harris will most likely continue to give great defensive effort but I think that Perry Stevenson (sp) and Harrellson will need to give good minutes due to our bigs getting fouls trying to slow down the UNC front line. Dodson will need to be hot on the perimeter. It will take a great team effort to beat UNC and I am hoping they are ready to show that tomorrow.
The scenario is as such:
Kentucky breaks out of the gates quickly to a 15-9 lead. UNC battles back, pushing the Cats with defense and the Cats commit one too many silly turnovers and UNC gets on top 29-26
Cats rally and bring the halftime score to 40-42 UNC. Calipari gives birth to twins through the top of his head in locker room at halftime because Cousins and Orton are not getting deep enough into the lane and Zeller has put two fouls on each. Wall has 15 at halftime and Patterson has 10.
2nd half is different story. Cousins comes out after having some of his backside removed by Calipari, and his inner demons exorcised by Big Sky Cat, scores 9 straight points, puts three fouls on UNC’s inside guys and shreds his headband at the timeout called by Roy Williams when the Cats go up by 7. UNC battles every basket, we commit 12 turnovers for the game, Patterson goes on a 2nd half tear for a total of 25 Perry Stevenson has 5 rebounds and Wall gets a dozen assists as the Cats get by UNC 89-84. Patterson and Wall and Cousins each end the game with a double double. Roy Williams is overheard in the post-game handshake as stating to Calipari, “See you in March, That Wall kid aint too shabby”.
Remember, we're having fun now!!!
by ALLBLUCAT on Dec 4, 2009 8:46 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
That's pretty good. : )
With the way that we have played thus far, I can actually see most all of that happening, too, especially the part about foul issues. Cousins’ propensity for picking up early fouls is a very valid concern and something I’m sure most of the BBN is thinking about, and until he can go, say, three or so games in a row without getting himself into early foul trouble I fully expect it to remain a concern.
I’m really excited for the game tomorrow (it’s on at 10:30 here so that will be kinda weird. Is partying that early considered bad form? : )) — and I’m just really hoping for overall cohesive team play and that we can make good decisions and be proud of ourselves and our effort when the final buzzer sounds. : )
Never too early for a Wildcat party :-)
pardy hardy !!
GO BIG BLUE !!!
Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!
Thanks for the go-ahead, girls!
I was originally thinking along the lines of mimosas or bloody mary’s, but Irish coffee is a brilliant idea! I love Baileys! : )
This situation seems similar to
what happened with Rondo and Pitino. Pitino had his agenda in terms of recruits and that left Rondo to come to UK and the rest is history. Hopefully Wall will have much more success than Rondo did while still at UK!!
Go Cats!!!
Roy on Wall: From a 30 minute phone interview with Yahoo Sports
Q: Why didn’t you make more of an effort to recruit John Wall, the nation’s No. 1-ranked player who signed with Kentucky? He’s from Chapel Hill.
A: That gets so much publicity here. A friend of mine who is also a friend of his asked me to call him [during the Final Four] and talk to him about the recruiting process. I made one phone call to him and that was it. He’s the best point-guard prospect I’ve seen since Jason Kidd. I love the way he plays. It was a tough situation for us with so many other things going on, so we chose not to go there. But he’s the best point-guard prospect I’ve seen since Jason Kidd – just a tremendous, tremendous player.
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Dec 4, 2009 9:10 AM EST reply actions
"I'm quite confident Calipari is not "working through" Brian Clifton in any way, so this is just a bunch of hooey."
What about Reggie Rose at Memphis? Reggie handled all of Derrick Rose’s recruiting. Rose’s high school coach said that he talked to Cal one time late in the process. Most winning coaches accept players with their baggage (handlers). Coaches that don’t, typically don’t win.

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