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The Big Blue Daily Mail -- Blue2K and Bob Knight Edition

Tonight is Blue2K, Drexel Dragons edition.  Hopefully, it will be a one-off, single issue version.

There are a couple of great posts today about the road to 2000 victories:

Moving on to the Bob Knight kerfuffle, which has not yet died down, I think a few more comments are in order.  First off, I want to recognize Larry Vaught for his continuing efforts to expose the irrational behavior of some sports journalists in endorsing Knight's position.  No matter what you think of Knight, the media groupthink on this is both troubling and unsurprising.

Before we get to the news, I want to add a couple of thoughts about the argument that Calipari should be held liable for the the vacated Final Fours at UMass and Memphis under the rubric that "It happened on his watch."

I find it interesting that so many are willing to hold coaches responsible for acts committed in secret by their players when it comes to NCAA violations, but when it comes to lawbreaking, they get a pass.  When was the last time you heard a serious call for a coach to be banned from coaching because one or two of his players wound up in legal trouble?  Let me help you with that -- never.

Follow me to the rest after the jump.

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So let's get this straight -- it isn't the coaches fault when players hold up convenience stores with Uzis, hold up their own fans with pellet guns or have a  mind-boggling collective rap sheet.  But if they accept money from an agent or are accused of playing fast and loose with an entrance exam, two areas just as far removed from the coach's actual influence as aforementioned armed robbery, violence or mayhem, coaches are somehow held to be fully responsible.

I think this shows the depth of reasoning in this particular charge, which can only be described in terms of a parking lot puddle.  Sportswriters willing to effect the "death penalty" on a coach who has never been accused by the NCAA of anything, but are unwilling to apply the same standard to acts of lawlessness by thier charges are rejecting logic in favor of pure personal bias. 

There is no justifiable way you can hold Calipari responsible for the acts of his charges and not do the same for Urban Meyer (see link above), or even Tubby Smith.  For that matter, Calipari's charges have run afoul of the law as well, so if you are going to hold him accountable, that seems like a good place to start.  Of course, you would also then have to include a bunch of other coaches that you might not want to, so for many, that's out.

If we are going to hold coaches accountable for what happens on their watch, doesn't it make more sense to hold them accountable for the truly bad stuff instead of just rules violations?  Call me crazy, but if we are going to apply the ridiculous standard of guilt by proximity to college coaches, it looks like to me the proper place to start is with violent crime, or just general lawlessness.

You want to include NCAA trouble as well, you say?  Fine, that's absolutely defensible, but you don't see that argument anywhere -- too many great coach's ox would be gored by it.  So we get selective so we can assail the ones we don't like, all the while abandoning our pretense at ethnic fairnes by referring to Coach Cal as "oily" or "greasy" as though those terms don't recall Italian-American slurs of the past.

I suggest we stop this double standard of trying to blame a coach for the minor transgression by a player and ignoring that same relationship when the player decides to be a scofflaw rather than just a rule-breaker.  There really aught not to be an argument about which is worse, so why are we only applying the standard selectively?

Of course, we all know the answer to that one.

 

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Lucked into some tickets for tonight

Need to swing by the ATM for some cash so I can pick up a few copies of the program!

I’m ready for Blue2K!!!

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Dec 21, 2009 11:13 AM EST reply actions  

Good for you!

It should be great fun.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Dec 21, 2009 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

You mean there are those in the media with an anti-UK agenda?

Surely you jest……

Embrace the hate. If they don’t hate you, you do not matter.

First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...

by btcoop71 on Dec 21, 2009 11:15 AM EST reply actions  

Well ...

… I didn’t exactly say that.

I was implying more of an anti-Calipari bias than anything else. I don’t really think there is any kind of agenda against UK with the media, taken as a whole. But I do think there is a bias against Cal.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Dec 21, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I know

I was just half joking. I should have put a smiley in there, but I’m not a smiley kind of guy…..if that makes sense.

Did you see this though?
http://kentuckysportsradio.com/?p=38645

ESPN makes one of their lesser knows fall on her sword over comments she made about UK.

First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...

by btcoop71 on Dec 21, 2009 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

So she isn't just a one hit wonder.....

….good job keeping her on the air ESPN….

First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...

by btcoop71 on Dec 21, 2009 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

In June 2008 Ms Hill...

was suspended for a “period of time” to reflect upon her choice of words about Hitler, Nuclear War in relationship to Celtc Fans.

by blue oregon on Dec 21, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I just saw that she also apparently made some insensitive comments about Chris Henry

She is just on a roll…..

First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...

by btcoop71 on Dec 21, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Rich man's Pat Forde

First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...

by btcoop71 on Dec 21, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I think it would

First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...

by btcoop71 on Dec 21, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

My guess is that she is using shock value reporting/comments...

to gain recognition. You know any kind of attention is better than no attention.

by blue oregon on Dec 21, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Interesting.

I heard about that on a radio show today, but since I didn’t hear the comments myself, I can’t comment on them.

I think perhaps UK is finally getting fed up with the gratuitous slaps at Calipari, and that is exactly the kind of groupthink I was referring to in my comments above. I hope the management in Barad Dur Bristol are getting the message.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Dec 21, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I also think

UK has every right to be mad about the new TV contract thus far. Way too many games on ESPNU (both football and basketball), a channel that the majority of Kentucky does not get.

First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...

by btcoop71 on Dec 21, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

hit enter too soon

ESPN is trying to strong arm the cable companies by screwing the fans.

First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...

by btcoop71 on Dec 21, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

ESPN needs UK Basketball to gather fans for its SEC contract -- thus a little clout and a "small time" apology

I quote KSR: “But I do know that the folks at UK have just about had it with ESPN and with the new SEC television contract, there are issues at this point. ESPN has wanted to do some "behind-the-scenes" access with UK and it has been denied this year, likely in part because of the shots taken by those at ESPN.”

No matter where you're at, there you are

by cincyblue on Dec 21, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Good for UK

First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...

by btcoop71 on Dec 21, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Trust me.

Knight would rather be fired. Won’t happen.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Dec 21, 2009 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

He should quit halfway through the season

He has experience with that……

First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...

by btcoop71 on Dec 21, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Jemele Hill's having to fall on the sword is one big slap in her face.

If indeed, ESPN sensed it has finally gone too far, they sent out the private to take the shot for it’s big guys.

No matter where you're at, there you are

by cincyblue on Dec 21, 2009 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Didn't you mean...

the private taking the shot for “the general”?

:)

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on Dec 21, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought about using that word

but ESPN is full of other general assholes.
I wanted to be inclusive.

No matter where you're at, there you are

by cincyblue on Dec 21, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed...

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on Dec 21, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

What's really sad ...

… is that she is the scapegoat for worse comments by others.

Typical.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Dec 21, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Of course

We wouldn’t want Bayless or Forde to have to admit being wrong, lets make one of the least know personalities take the fall……

First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...

by btcoop71 on Dec 21, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

yes, but we all know that Bayless is french for "brainless" and Forde

is French for well…………something pathetic…..

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Dec 21, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Petit pénis

First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...

by btcoop71 on Dec 21, 2009 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

That may not be appropriate.....

First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...

by btcoop71 on Dec 21, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Tru, based on her history of inappropriate comments....

I think she is prepared and ok with taking the hit in order to bump her into the media spotlight.

by blue oregon on Dec 21, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Also known as the Colin Coward approach.....

First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...

by btcoop71 on Dec 21, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I think

that there is more bias than you think. UK coming back to prominence does not play well to the big media markets. They don’t get as many viewers for UK games in those key areas where they make their big bucks. It is not about covering the sport, it is about making the jack.

by kywineman on Dec 21, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

More from KSR....I love Rich Brooks

First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...

by btcoop71 on Dec 21, 2009 11:31 AM EST reply actions  

My wife and I were going to get snuggies for our dogs

Alas, like me, they are too fat…….

First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...

by btcoop71 on Dec 21, 2009 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Got one for my step-daughter

She’s been asking for one for weeks.

/shrug

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Dec 21, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

If Bobby Knight liked us

I would consider it to be a character flaw on our part. This is my last post about that low-life. I tire of him and the horse he rode in on.

by UKCat on Dec 21, 2009 11:43 AM EST reply actions  

Fox Sports South I think

First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...

by btcoop71 on Dec 21, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

UK Athletic Men's Basketball Schedule reads FS South...

Fulfilling a promise to my 16 year old daughter and treating myself to a huge Xmas present.
My daughter and I saw John Wall last spring in Portland, OR (before he signed with KY) at Nike Summit.

Since Wall is almost for use and 1 and done, we are both thrilled to be flying in from Nike U Oregon to watch Wed’s game in Lex and have tickets to Rupp for Hartford game on 29th…
oh yeah and see family and friends too!!

by blue oregon on Dec 21, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

ABC...

have you shopped for a UL cap for Forty? Rumor has it that UL gear is being sold at rock bottom prices this year :)

by blue oregon on Dec 21, 2009 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

nope.....but if it will make him feel better I will see what I can find.....lol

I dont think he is ready to concede defeat just yet though…..lol

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Dec 21, 2009 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

funchester on justin.tv

I have to watch all ESPNU games there

First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...

by btcoop71 on Dec 21, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

The man....

shut funchester down. Evidently he got too popular and the powers that be killed it. But if one knows where to look (KSR liveblog a couple minutes before the game), there is now a new link. Or so I’ve heard…..

by wildcatfaninexile on Dec 21, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

what about beyond the door?

he/she came thru Saturday

No matter where you're at, there you are

by cincyblue on Dec 21, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

WTF!

Damnit!

First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...

by btcoop71 on Dec 21, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd like to get off...

all this negative commenting, and really talk about how great it is to be on “the inside looking out, and not outside looking in”. Tonight will be rocking inside the best basketball arena. I hope the fans show all the past players present tonight, how much we appreciate their contributions to the milestone. 3000K is now in front of us. Go Cats!!!

by UK1972 on Dec 21, 2009 11:50 AM EST reply actions  

Please God make this a reality

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/katharine-rust/nbc-comcast-and-the-poten_b_379220.html

First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...

by btcoop71 on Dec 21, 2009 11:58 AM EST reply actions  

Numbers don't lie

UK has won 1,999 games and lost 635. UNC has won 1,992 and lost 706. That means UK has won 7 more while playing 64 fewer. I hope Ol’ Roy doesn’t have me ejected from ASOB for pointing that out.

by UKCat on Dec 21, 2009 12:13 PM EST reply actions  

I do want to make one comment about the clamoring for the heads of coaches

on the “It happened on his watch” crowd. It would seem to me that if that kind of logic could rationally apply, then we need to be going a lot higher than the coach in these situations. Why not the AD, University President, or even the head of the NCAA itself.

In truth, isnt this is an indictment of the American way of life in general?? Well, these guys can sit around and trash America if they want to, but not I. I will not sit idly by while they trash the U.S. of A. I put it to you , Bobby Knight, are you willing to indict the entire United States Government?? ( walking out the door, medical bag in hand, as the “Battle Hymn of The Republic” is whistled in the background)

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Dec 21, 2009 12:32 PM EST reply actions  

this could be the greatest day of your life....

but noooooooooo!

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on Dec 21, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Did we quit...

when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

by tooblue on Dec 21, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't stop him...

He’s on a roll.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Dec 21, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Toga.....Toga......Toga.......Toga........

I think they like the idea, Hoov…….

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Dec 21, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I was going to save this for a fanpost,

but have had neither time nor inclination to do the research. Here it is, but first a disclaimer;

In my opinion, Bob Knight is one of the two or three best coaches ever. In my opinion, Bob Knight is an insufferable ass who is still pouting about not getting as much playing time in college as he thought he should. His size and success at coaching have given him a bully pulpit that he regularly abuses. To call him The General is demeaning to those who have earned that title.

Now the message: Bob Knight is not the only one concerned about the state of NCAA recruiting. I am too. But it will never change until the club is swung from the other end—in other words, it’s not punishing the universities or coaches that will stop abuses. They will have to go after the players. The NBA banned three of the best players in the nation—all from UK—plus another UK also-ran and a host of very good players from other universities in the wake of the point-shaving scandal in the late 40s/early 50s. Regardless of the fairness of Maurice Podoloff’s arbitrary decisions (particularly regarding Bill Spivey) in those cases, the message was clear: the NBA will not tolerate cheaters.

A similar position resulting from a coalition between the NCAA and NBA today would be chilling to prospective cheats, agents, and even parents today. But it’s not going to happen, because much of the NBA’s money comes from promoting the thug image of some of its players. In other words, money talks, and it talks to the NCAA members as well.

Regardless, that’s the only way to stop these issues. It’s clear from both the Camby and Rose cases that the athletes themselves have little regard for the welfare of the universities themselves, or their teammates at those institutions. How else can the situation be adequately addressed?

No moral victories--it's all about Ws and Ls!!!

by oldcat'69 on Dec 21, 2009 12:36 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

well said....

only way to stop it is to punish the players and it will not happen

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on Dec 21, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I was talking to my father about this yesterday and he made this point. Another way to stop cheating would be to pay the players. Not a lot, mind you, but something in addition to tuition, room and board. It makes sense—if you have some spending money for yourself, you’d be less likely to get involved with shady characters. They couldn’t promise you anything you didn’t already have (well, at least monetarily). I am generally of the opinion that college athletes receive an education, room and board, and that’s enough, but this made a lot of sense to me and has caused me to rethink it a little bit.

by chstrckwl on Dec 21, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Dang straight, it's not.

But they know which side of the bread the butter’s on, so they’ll continue to selectively enforce and badger other Memphises into accepting their sanctions by threatening even tougher restrictions. An autocracy that is not responsible to its constituency is, by my definition, amoral.

No moral victories--it's all about Ws and Ls!!!

by oldcat'69 on Dec 21, 2009 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Number

13 in RPI…………looking good.

Kentucky bretheren united once again! Thanks Cal!

by tenken on Dec 21, 2009 1:27 PM EST reply actions  

A little history for today

Thanks to wildcatworld.

Check the link out: http://www.wildcatworld.com/?page_id=2

There’s some short stuff there to get ready for tonight.

For those with a little more time: http://www.wildcatworld.com/bounce/?page_id=2836 Hear Adolph and Cawood’s voice. It was a different time, wasn’t it?

Go Cats

:)

No matter where you're at, there you are

by cincyblue on Dec 21, 2009 1:50 PM EST reply actions  

Tipton Gets It Right....

never thought i would use those words in the same sentence, but his interview of the Drexel coach – who followed Cal at UMass – clearly makes a case for Cal.

you have to believe that if “bruiser” gave tipton ANY room to be negative, jt would have gone for it. however, tipton actually writes a column that helps defend Cal….

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on Dec 21, 2009 2:04 PM EST reply actions  

BREAKING NEWS

The girlfriend of Joe McKnight, superstar athlete at Southern California, is driving an LR3 paid for by an eccentric rich white dude. Jay Mariotti, Colin Cowherd, Jemele Hill and other members of the media are lining up to compare Pete Carroll to an axe murderer and to Charles Manson.

Oh, wait, that’s right, no they’re not.

by chstrckwl on Dec 21, 2009 3:45 PM EST reply actions  

My Stepdaughter Had Her 5th Year Tuition, Room & Board, Books (Etc) Paid For By UCLA

A wealthy alumna paid her way in 1993-94 at UCLA.

The fact that she (my stepdaughter) was All-American in both Volleyball and Basketball was just a coincidence.

(dwes)

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 21, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

This morning, I heard Colin Cowherd begging the USC fans to be a little more mature etc than the UK fans

were last week. Old CC is going to keep on with that stuff and frankly I’m sick of hearing it. Then he went on to say that football coaches have it harder than bb coaches because fb coaches have more players to watch. Obviously the sheer numbers are larger, but that sounded to me like another shot at Cal.

by bluegrassgal on Dec 21, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

could you clarify...

what CC meant by being “a little more mature”? I listened briefly today during lunch as he discussed it, but it was mostly reporting and not commentary (which is definitely a rarity for him).

by chstrckwl on Dec 21, 2009 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

His comment this morning was that he was begging the USC fans to be a little more

mature (his word; not mine) than the UK basketball fans were last week. This was around 9:30ish CDT this morning. He was getting emails from USC fans regarding his comments on McKnight’s g/f’s car. In fact, I believe he said (paraphrasing) ’I’m begging you to be more mature and sophisticated than UK basketball fans last week’. Don’t hold me to the sophisticated part, but I’m almost positive that’s what he said. I assumed he referred to the fans’ reaction to Knight, but that part is strictly my assumption.

by bluegrassgal on Dec 21, 2009 8:01 PM EST up reply actions  

oh please

he has nailed Lane Kiffin. He is a royal jerk!

Kentucky bretheren united once again! Thanks Cal!

by tenken on Dec 22, 2009 1:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Alrighty folks... I'm leaving the office early

And hitting the Bluegrass Parkway. Next stop… Rupp Arena!!!

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Dec 21, 2009 4:53 PM EST reply actions  

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