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Bobby Knight Swings at John Calipari and Knocks Himself Out

"Bob Knight?  I try not to think about him.  So should you."

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"Bob Knight? I try not to think about him. So should you."

All the buzz this morning is about Bobby Knight's attack on the integrity of Kentucky coach John Calipari last night in Indianapolis during a fundraiser for the Indiana Basketball Hall of fame.  The line goes like this:

"We've gotten into this situation where integrity is really lacking and that's why I'm glad I'm not coaching," he said. "You see we've got a coach at Kentucky who put two schools on probation and he's still coaching. I really don't understand that."

Yeah, I know -- this is proof of the old saying that "There is nothing new under the sun."  I have taken down reporter after blogger after radio station manager for making similar comments, but after a while, you begin to get immune to this flagrant abuse of logic.  As Gregg Doyel suggested in his piece that I linked yesterday, this opinion represents simple groupthink, and since Knight now finds himself a member of the media as an analyst for ESPN, is it really all that surprising that he should hold this opinion?

It's tempting to repeat old tales of Bob Knight's reprehensible behavior while coach at Indiana and elsewhere, but I'm not going to.  I actually like Bob Knight, despite the fact that some of his utterances are of the quality that one must usually obtain from the likes of Britney Spears or Courtney Love.  You have to take the moronic and the bad with the the good when it comes to The General.

Rush the Court this morning has by far the best take on this whole confab.  I am just going to quote a small part, but you really should read the whole thing:

You’ll often hear really smart people (unlike your author here) state this as "correlation doesn’t imply causation."  We don’t know if Calipari is guilty or innocent.  But if the NCAA didn’t have evidence to say Calipari was guilty of all this wrongdoing of which he’s often accused, and we all agree that the NCAA is the governing body which has the final say, then we have to presume his innocence.  So where is Knight’s basis in making his accusation that Calipari put two schools on probation?  Most likely…nowhere.

Self-deprecation aside, this is exactly right.  Of course, in order to hold such an opinion, you must reject the media groupthink regarding Calipari and, you know, engage in actual independent thought and analysis, something that has never been dear brother Bob's long suit -- he's much to fond of emoting.

Follow me past the jump for more fun and games.

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Reid Cherner at the USA Today Sports blog wonders if Knight is really the right messenger, even if what he says is actually true:

But there are others who feel that Knight cheap-shoted Calipari and that the problems at Memphis and Massachusetts should not all be laid at his door.

And then there is the question of whether Knight is the right messenger.

Not everyone thinks he was always the white knight when he was getting paid to lead young men. There were too many temper tantrums, one too many incidents in Puerto Rico, and for some, a little too much hands on coaching.

So is Knight the perfect spokesman for the game or a guy who should keep his opinions to himself?

Well, Knight is welcome to speak his opinion, even about Calipari, but he should be willing to defend it, which he apparently wasn't.  It's one thing to opine that somebody is bad or unethical or wrong, but just to make that statement in isolation without taking questions or offering any defense of it makes it a cheap shot, whether it's true or false.

I also want to point out that Knight made some very good points that have been lost in the furor over his unprovoked attack on Coach Cal, which Inside the Hall mentions:

If what Knight hypothesizes about a kid only taking six hours first semester and never going to class second semester is true, and I’m sure it is, perhaps the NCAA is due for some soul searching to define the true meaning of ’student-athlete.’

Indeed, and that should concern us all.  If John Wall were to fail to attend class in his second semester this year, I would be outraged and call Coach Cal to account -- not so much because of Wall's theoretical behavior, but because it is the duty of coaches to make sure that the students under his charge are committed to uphold their end of the scholarship agreement, which is not just to show up on the basketball court.

I am confident that would never happen with Wall.  He seems to get that even if this is just an arbitrary waypoint on the way to millions of NBA dollars, the rules apply to him just like everyone else.  That's one of the things I have come to admire about the young man so far, and we will never hear about it if he does wind up leaving UK in good academic standing with a high GPA -- we'll only hear about it if he does not.

In the end, this is another of those "Embrace the hate and overlook the ignorance" moments that I have failed to ignore. 

Oh, well, what good is being a blogger if you can't write snarky posts about guys like Bob Knight?

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Bobby is used to taking shots

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/1999/10/21/archive/main67539.shtml

First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...

by btcoop71 on Dec 18, 2009 9:15 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Hah.

Funny. :-)

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Dec 18, 2009 9:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Especially funny with your signature

I’m assuming you’ve had “Delia’s Gone” in your sig before now, but it’s so appropriate now.

by sayeth on Dec 18, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I've had it for a while

But you are right, very appropriate for that link.

First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...

by btcoop71 on Dec 18, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I shouldn't be surprised

But I was.

The man can’t seem to leave well enough alone. He could have made all his points about integrity without actually naming a specific coach. What’s more… he could have taken the opportunity to take aim at his former school by talking about a coach who actually DID get two schools on probation: Kelvin Sampson.

Ah well. Its just something we’ll need to deal with I suppose.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Dec 18, 2009 9:17 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Bobby Knight has finally become what he loathed most in the world

a sports commentator who opens his mouth first and thinks later….or in his case doesnt think at all. This is proof that you do not have to remove your head from your posterior in order to speak.

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Dec 18, 2009 9:33 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think he has become what he fears the most.....

…..irrelevant.

First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...

by btcoop71 on Dec 18, 2009 9:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I said on another post that this might force me to rethink how I feel about Myles Brand

and I didnt think anything could do that……..Guess that glass house of Knight’s must be the bulletproof variety……

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Dec 18, 2009 9:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If he's irrelevant

why are we talking about his comments? Why are his comments on the front page of ESPN? I think he’s still pretty relevant.

by mrmondaynite on Dec 18, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He is on the front page of ESPN because UK is involved

First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...

by btcoop71 on Dec 18, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent point.

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If he had made these same comments about South Carolina St. or Stetson or some other smaller school nobody would have even cared.

After a day or two passes, we won’t even care anymore. He will have to find some other publicity stunt to pull to get a day or two of publicity.

To show how relevant he still is, on the actual video clip when he specifically names the two schools that Coach Cal “has put on probation”, he says:

“The University of Massachusetts and Memphis State.”

To answer your next question: 1994

by Sonic on Dec 18, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Knight coach again?

Why should he do that when he can be as big of an ignoramous as possible , yet not be accountable. So now Mr. Knight can “slap UK around” in the media, the same way he smacked the back of Joe B. Hall’s dome when I was a kid. Perfect for him.

"Ignorance, I can fix, stupidity, well that's another matter!"-82nd Airborne NCO

by ro307805 on Dec 18, 2009 9:39 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I know its cliche, if not passe, but

Embrace the hate……

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on Dec 18, 2009 9:41 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

fair enough...

see my comment below…

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on Dec 18, 2009 9:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Six hours first semester

Is this part of Bobby Knight’s speech a reference to what he believes is a crappy rule, or is he referring to some specific rumor about John Wall or one of our other players? It kind of sounds like the former, but coming so closely on the heels of his comments directed at Calipari, it could be the latter. Anyone know anything either way?

by chstrckwl on Dec 18, 2009 9:50 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Naw ...

That part was just a general complaint about a poor rule. We haven’t even gotten to the spring semester, yet.

by jeffy on Dec 18, 2009 9:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That’s what I figured, especially after reading it a second time, but I just wanted to make sure. From what I’ve heard about Wall, he’s been a model student.

by chstrckwl on Dec 18, 2009 10:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He's been making that complaint for years

Its nothing new.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Dec 18, 2009 11:14 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

just the rule

He’s just complaining about the rule. Several years ago when Durant was at Texas (and Knight was at Texas Tech or just left Texas Tech), Knight made similar comments about the rule. Conveniently, he seems to only bring it up when a rival school has an obvious one and done, but its nothing new.

by FWCat on Dec 18, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The perfect storm of a story.

Its funny, the article on ESPN has over 600 comments on it already. Other college basketball articles there are lucky to get double digits on responses. There are so many angles to the story that it provides great fodder for discussion. The winningest school in the history of the sport, with a history of cheating. A coach who is a lightning rod for criticism, with a history of violations at his previous schools. The winningest coach of all time, with a history of verbal and physical abuse of his players. The hype machine that is ESPN. Mix it all together and you have the perfect storm at an otherwise dull period during the sports season.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Dec 18, 2009 9:50 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I’m so tired of having to defend Cal because it’s like trying to talk politics to someone you don’t agree with—you can talk and make perfect sense, and they’ll just turn and say “whatever.” I’ve had probably twenty conversations with people about this and you can lay out the whole case (Cal never implicated, self-reported Camby, Rose was cleared to play, what about Roy Williams leaving Kansas in the middle of the night after players got clothes and money (just like Camby)?, what about Duke and Cory Maggette? and it’s just to no avail.

Ah well. Hopefully, we’ll have the last laugh come April

by chstrckwl on Dec 18, 2009 10:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Knight

While everything you say is true, Bob Knight did run a clean program, and his players DID graduate at a higher percentage than the NBA clearing houses that Coach Cal has ran. In his mind, and mine also, college and pro basketball have dropped in quality because of all the early entrances to the NBA. The truly great players are gone to the pros early, and once they get there, they can’t play(that is a generalisation, there are some very notable exceptions). The traditional aspect of the student athlete is almost over for the really talented guys, and many think that that is not for the better.

"Ignorance, I can fix, stupidity, well that's another matter!"-82nd Airborne NCO

by ro307805 on Dec 18, 2009 10:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Your first argument

would hold much more water if Knight was the only coach to ever “run a clean program” and graduate players.

It has been proven that a coach can manage to graduate players without acting like a total asshat his whole life.

I agree with you to a degree about the early NBA entrants, etc. But you are really going to have to tell some stories about those carefree, sun always shining and birds chirping in the trees “Good Old Days” when fans really cared about “the traditional aspect of the student athlete”, and how they were doing on their chemistry exams. When was that, again? :-)

by Sonic on Dec 18, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cal did graduate players that stayed 4 years...

comparing apples to oranges when you compare early departures with knight’s era.

Compare 4 yr kids at Memphis to IU during bk’s reign and while grad rate may not be as good, it will be close. Memphis may have been an “NBA clearinghouse” but Cal only had 5 one and dones in 9 years – sure some left after 2-3 years as well, but he had a good number of 4 yr kids as well. its the 1 and dones that got the press…

bk can take the high road and say he would only recruit 4 yr kids – thats fine, but i guess he would also think the internet a fad…..

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on Dec 18, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

When will this pearl-clutching lament die?
“…his players DID graduate at a higher percentage than the NBA clearing houses that Coach Cal has ran” “The traditional aspect of the student athlete is almost over for the really talented guys…”

What is wrong with a kid getting exposure to academic life for a year or two before taking a lucrative job? Who does this hurt and how does this corrupt anything? If the concern is the actual student-athlete in question and not some latent race and class suffused ivory tower jibberish implicitly linking football and basketball (read: black) star athletes leaving school early with the death of all that is holy and pure in academia then how exactly is this a bad thing? This is a subject that makes me want to beat my head against a wall so in lieu of continuing to make my own case I’m just going to post the following quote which should speak for itself:

“For the freshmen football student-athletes in the Football Bowl Championship institutions (the ones who draw the most attention and the largest revenue producers) who entered in 2001, the graduation rate is 66 percent. Two-thirds of all football players graduate in six years (the same time span the federal government uses for all students). Basketball student-athletes who were part of the same cohort at the same institutions graduated at 65 percent, one percentage point lower. Despite this, the perception persists that college athletes – especially football players and male basketball players – are coming to campus only to play sports and avoid classrooms. All of these numbers have been trending upward over the last six years. If you count student-athletes who return to school over a 10 year period, the graduation rate is 88 percent, almost nine of 10.”

by postmodernprimate on Dec 19, 2009 2:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, at least now we dont have to worry about Tiger Woods getting the

“Idiot of the Year” award for 2009. Knight just saved him.

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Dec 18, 2009 9:51 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Rush the Court is Right...

best to just let it go.

I read the USAToday article and looked at the poll asking “Is Bob Knight a good spokesman for today’s college game?”

42% said – Doesn’t matter. What he said was true.
32% said – Yes. His integrity should never be questioned

Based on ABC’s reply to my comment above, I will amend my statement – Embrace the Hate of the masses (not necessarily Knight, which was stupidity – per ABC).

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on Dec 18, 2009 9:55 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

there ya go Memphis....lol.....

it probably was hate, I just cannot stand seeing someone talk out of their ass and call it poetry….

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Dec 18, 2009 9:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

After reaching the milestone of 900 wins

.
Bobby Knight waited all of two weeks before quitting on his team, that was 12-8 (3-3) with 10 games left to play.

There is no integrity in being a quitter.

by Sonic on Dec 18, 2009 10:33 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I had forgotten that

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Dec 18, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It is ironic..

That a coach who assaults his players and students raises the integrity issue..?? He is still trying to bully everyone in his path..

by BlueOrion on Dec 18, 2009 11:04 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Didn't he also...

….say at one time that if a woman is being raped, she should just sit back and enjoy it?

I can’t see for all of Knight’s “class”

First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...

by btcoop71 on Dec 18, 2009 11:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A "Cheap Shot", yes -- the sorriest part is BK's facts are not even correct.

and who wants to bet me Knight will apologize when he sees his “error”

No matter where you're at, there you are

by cincyblue on Dec 18, 2009 11:08 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

You have to remember he was speaking in front of Indiana fans... As we witnessed last Sat.

many of those guys are looking for anyone to point to, to take the stings out of cellphone Sampson and the mess he left them. Fairly childlike, I might add.

No matter where you're at, there you are

by cincyblue on Dec 18, 2009 11:12 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah.

More likely red meat for the Hoosiers than anything else. :-)

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Dec 18, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

my thought as well...

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on Dec 18, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Makes the bitter pill of defeat a little easier to swallow..

obviously the only reason that UK beat IU last weekend is because Calipari is a cheater. How else could it have happened..???

by BlueOrion on Dec 18, 2009 11:22 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Most evolved fanbases..

will front-load their rationalizations in case they happen to lose a future “big game”. Bobby Knight is doing it after the fact..now that is tacky!

by BlueOrion on Dec 18, 2009 11:32 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

A Good chance for a threepeat?

Kentucky will be the third school to go to the Final Four under the Teflon John only to have it taken away while Teflon John moves on (NBA?) without punishment.

by IUTex on Dec 18, 2009 11:40 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

You have out-kicked your coverage...

stale arguments and baiting will not pass muster here! If you have a position that you can defend intelligently, we’ll discuss..otherwise please move on.

by BlueOrion on Dec 18, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1 -- go home

No matter where you're at, there you are

by cincyblue on Dec 18, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Heh.

Well, I couldn’t resist. So sue me. :-)

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Dec 18, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you brother

No matter where you're at, there you are

by cincyblue on Dec 18, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I will very much ...

… enjoy watching your head explode if no NCAA sanctions materialize and Cal stays here.

Enjoy your misery. I know I will. :-)

Oh, by the way — how’s that Kelvin Sampson “punishment” working out for ya? I can hear him laughing up his sleeve all the way from the Bluegrass.

Those who live in glass houses should resist hurling stones.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Dec 18, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...

by btcoop71 on Dec 18, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I giggle every time I see that pic.

:-)

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Dec 18, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

move along

child, nothing to find here!

by UK1972 on Dec 18, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

argh

see, this is exactly what i talked about above.

by chstrckwl on Dec 18, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He is a scum bag...

..a big mistake for IU and now he is gone. A hard lesson to learn, but an important one.

by IUTex on Dec 18, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sampson, a big mistake and now he is gone. I am with you. IUTex

I blame Sutton for the trouble UK got into 20 years ago. It still pisses me off, that HE didn’t get the death penalty (not the legal one, but on one of my bad days… )

The kicker is, coaches do get to move on and leave damage behind.

IU Tex: in Cal’s case, he turned Camby in and has had to live with that, professionally. We’ve argued around this site for months, , that the Memphis issue is the NCAA’s mistake. They cleared Rose. I’ll say it again, they CLEARED Rose.

We’re not stupid around here. We understand bias can color perspective.

Knowing that, we defend Cal. We believe it is logical, based on fact. And we hope we are not wrong.

Trust me man, if we’re wrong we’ll admit it. Personally, I do not think that will happen.

No matter where you're at, there you are

by cincyblue on Dec 18, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Personally, I do not think that will happen.

That Cal will get UK into problems.

No matter where you're at, there you are

by cincyblue on Dec 18, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I hope you are right, as a good Kentucky is good for College Basketball

Three years ago I never understood why all the Kentucky blogs were so high on Billy Clyde and so negative on Rick Barnes when he was mentioned (and actually offered the job).

Barnes is a class act with as good a record (Final Four, 3 Elite 8’s and 5 Sweet 16’s in 8 year0 as Cal (I believe the two are trying to setup a home/home series).

by IUTex on Dec 18, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

UK's AD had a bit of "Pitino Syndrome" when he hired BG

You know, Pitino was “hot” at Providence and let’s face it he turned out pretty good for UK :)

In 2007, that crap shoot turned out bad. And it left the right choice, Cal, waiting for a call that never came. Don’t know about Barnes during that process (my ignorance, sorry). It ended well. I’ve watched Cal these past few months. He’ll do.

No matter where you're at, there you are

by cincyblue on Dec 18, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Barnes

Wanted a day to think about it before accepting. UK said no (in 2007).

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 19, 2009 6:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not Just Sutton

Hall did it, too. Just better at it than Sutton.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 19, 2009 6:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Did what? Proof?

No moral victories--it's all about Ws and Ls!!!

by oldcat'69 on Dec 19, 2009 10:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I believe there are Cats on record from that time who admit to taking booster payments

The names escape me at the moment, but there’s a famous story of some guys playing poker in a hotel room and the Cat runs out of money, makes a phone call, and a few minutes later there’s an envelope full of cash at the door.

Anecdotal stories at best, but they exist for every school from that era. UCLA was regarded as particularly dirty. It was just part of the culture at the time.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Dec 19, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

UCLA

Their players stayed 4 years because they couldn’t afford the pay cut in the NBA.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 19, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, Absolutely

UK earned 2 year probation in 1976 (enforced in 1977 and 78) under Hall.

UK also get NCAA Letter of Reprimand in 1988 for recruiting under Hall in 1984 and 85.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 19, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Joe B..

defends knight on his radio show ,don’t know about this though…

by 59Bennett on Dec 18, 2009 1:00 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Bobby Knight-

Has been hating UK as long as I can remember. Always calling us cheaters and worse. He probably doesn’t dislike Coach Cal, just UK…

"You are what you are and you ain't what you ain't"

by iam4ukintn on Dec 18, 2009 1:05 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Since he can't throw chairs and act like he's five, he chooses to show his idiocy in other ways.

“You see we’ve got a coach bigmouth at Kentucky ESPN who put two (thousand) schools on probation thrown chairs on the basketball court and he’s still coaching blabbing. I really don’t understand that.”

by uk1982 on Dec 18, 2009 1:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Time to up your medication again, Bobby.

With all his vast firsthand knowledge, hard evidence, and access to the smoking gun (no pun intended), he should take all that information straight to the NCAA. I’m sure they’d be interested. If he doesn’t have those things, then he’s just shooting off his mouth (again, no pun intended).

by UKCat on Dec 18, 2009 1:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Also,

Knight says he’s glad he’s not coaching, but he wanted the Georgia job last year. Georgia didn’t even consider it :-P

"You are what you are and you ain't what you ain't"

by iam4ukintn on Dec 18, 2009 1:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

If any school ever hires that human publicity stunt

to coach their team I sincerely hope and pray that it is a school that we can play against regularly.

Knight slipped into mediocrity about 15 years ago. Betting against his last 6 Indiana teams in the NCAA Tournament was like an annual “New Year’s Bonus” payday.

Please let this jerk get back into coaching…. pleeeease! The economy is tough, and I could use the extra cash.

by Sonic on Dec 18, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i need help - talk me off the ledge.....

ran home for lunch – happened to turn on ESPNU and caught a few minutes of something called “The Herd” – the DJ was using the bk thing to really pile on UK…the best only argument he had was the where there is smoke there is fire. a uk fan called in and asked how bk could be questioning integrity given his past and the host cut he guy off saying he was trying to deflect the story….had to turn it off before i lost it….of course the host did mention that bk had more ncaa violations than Cal before he went on another bashing spree…

then as i was driving back to work, a memphis fan on talk radio was focused on uk’s lack of signees for 2010 and how memphis had the #1 class (implying all the kids Cal had recruited to memphis had really come to memphis for memphis, not Cal – memphis fans are delusional – they have a very good program and need to appreciate it). he then asked if there were some “one and done thugs” that had yet to sign but could give UK a top class….ironic as that fan was probably the same one that just one year ago would have walked on hot coals for Cal….memphis fans cannot let it go….

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on Dec 18, 2009 1:55 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that's par for the course

Colin Coward Cowherd is one of the worst sports radio guys in the business, and when you consider some of the people in sports radio that’s saying something. As you saw, he has no interest in anyone who can bring facts or a different opinion to the spacious reasoning he employs.

3 > 2, except for very large values of 2.

by JLeverenz on Dec 18, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Guy is a grade A douche

How ESPN lets him spew his crap is beyond me. I’d rather listen to Dukie V pontificate on the greatness of Coach K for 48 hours in a row than to listen to Coward for 5 minutes.

First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...

by btcoop71 on Dec 18, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I remember when he took over for Kornheiser

I wanted to chop my ears off after 5 minutes, and that hasn’t changed. There’s something about the combination of his speaking voice and vapid opinions that just drives me up the wall anytime I listen for more than a few minutes.

3 > 2, except for very large values of 2.

by JLeverenz on Dec 18, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and i forgot his most idiotic remark....

his whole premise was how cheating in bball was a big deal because you could turn a program around with only 1 or 2 players. then he went on to say the only player UK had was John Wall. that is just irresponsible..

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on Dec 18, 2009 9:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

cowturd

he has also repeatedly stated that he doesn’t follow College BB at all and the thing that makes money for his show is the negativity…it’s what his audience wants (which is why I refuse to listen to him—only Dan Patrick is left)…he has no idea of responsibility in reporting (as do most of the talking heads) who will take misinformation or a sound-byte from someone like Bobby Knight and throw fuel on the fire…Cowherd is all about burning things down, and will repeatedly cut someone off if they disagree with him (and proclaim it’s his show…you want to throw in your opinion..start your own radio show)…but that’s what it’s become… tell a lie long enough, you start to believe it yourself until you proclaim it to be truth…disgusting…and I had to deal with him longer…he was a Portland sportscaster on our NBC affiliate for a few years before (thankfully) moving on

by fincity on Dec 19, 2009 2:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Knight & Britney

Any comparison of words spoken by Knight & Britney is so funny, I’m still trying to get up off the floor 20 minutes later after reading it the first time. What’s even funnier is that it could be so true. Hey, BOB, that some of your own advice and stick a white & crimson sock in it!

by MacKYcat on Dec 18, 2009 2:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

For the love of God

.
we really need to stop drawing a link between Knight and Spears…

… can you imagine him doing a version of Toxic….

I think I am going to be sick.

by Sonic on Dec 18, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

BK used to be important...

…just like the hitching post in front of the saloon.

by UKCat on Dec 18, 2009 2:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Or the

spittoons inside.

by kywineman on Dec 18, 2009 5:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My favorite Knight story:

I’ll stay out of this debate, but there’s something that Knight allegedly said years ago that bares repeating.

Supposedly, in the early eighties Indiana was in a mini-tourney sponsored by Pizza Hut. Something about the event rubbed Knight the wrong way (big surprise), so his post-game comments consisted of:

“I won’t be taking any questions, but I have one thing to say: Your Thin and Crispy lacks substance, and your Thick and Chewy sucks.”

I hope it really happened.

by don'tshootmei'macard on Dec 18, 2009 3:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Group (you think?)

Tru
I first thought the misspelling of “Groupthink” in your second paragraph—groputhink— was a slip-of-the-pen. Most of the media analysis, particularly from ESPN, seems like “groping” to me.

by Big Blue Daddy on Dec 18, 2009 3:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

It was. A slip of the keyboard, that is.

“Groupthink” is not a real word, according to my spell-checker, so it showed it as misspelled either way.

Thanks for pointing it out. I’m not clever enough to have done it deliberately. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 18, 2009 5:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

oh well....

I ain’t gonna get worked up over this. Bobby Knight is Bobby Knight. He was an idiot when he was coaching and he’s an idiot now. He stays on because he does things like this that get ratings and hits and stirs up controversy. I’m gonna just let it be.

Anyone else suffering basketball withdrawal this week? I’m ready for some more action. Let ’em all hate us for they are not of us.

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by hoopchi on Dec 18, 2009 3:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

And don't forget

I recall that once when a reporter asked Booby (not a typo) what he believed to be a stupid question, his response was “Have you ever masturbated?”

by UKCat on Dec 18, 2009 3:55 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Pattern from ESPN is clear

ESPN ushered in the era of trash talking “me first” self-promoting asshats and took all the nobility and grace out of sport. They are an ugly marketing chainsaw cutting down pristine timber. All they care about is where their next controversy, their next sports personalty, and their next program/franchise to build-up and tear down.

They replaced and shoved out people that love the game with a bunch of calculator toting Rotisserie league geeks that hardly even know a team’s name. Just give them the box score so they can crunch the numbers the same way they crunch the history, tradition, and honor of hundred year-old institutions that deserve little more than mockery. Need a ratings boost? Just inject steroids and watch the records fall. Who cares? They’re all dead old white guys anyway?

by Crow on Dec 18, 2009 5:59 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Frustrated

Bob Knight is a boor. However, it is frustrating to continue to have to defend Coach Cal. I understand all the arguments about how Cal was the one who turned in Camby’s violations to the NCAA and he only played Rose after the NCAA clearinghouse certified his SAT. I also appreciate how Coach Cal continues to take the high road and refuses to shoot back. I would love, though, for some proof from Rose that he actually took his SAT so that Knight and others would at least owe Cal an apology—not that he would ever give it, because he lacks that kind of integrity, the kind that admits when he is wrong.

I know from personal experience how the media can lie about you and take parts of a story and paint an inaccurate picture, but that doesn’t make one feel any better about it.
In the end, ten years of a squeaky clean program will likely be the only elixir to take away the frustration of all the attacks on something that I believe is very special… Big Blue Basketball.

by BluebloodinNaptown on Dec 18, 2009 5:59 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agree

That knight’s comments are forgetable. Whatever, a bitter (duh) ex-coach sputtering bitter comments. What concerns me is Cals reaction to a question posed to him today. When asked how much accountability a coach of a suspended team should be responsible for, he could only manage a “next question” response. If you want to be the coach of UK and be the media darling that he seems to want to be, then that question needs to be addressed. Forgive me, though, if he already has addressed a similar question.

by BlueThruNThru on Dec 18, 2009 6:20 PM EST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Couldn't disagree more with you.

You expect Cal to take Tipton’s bait and provide the fuel for his next negative article? Know what Tipton entitled his latest article based upon that interview… try " Calipari testing players’ trustworthiness" for a chuckle. Tipton is a scumball and Cal is treating him exactly as he should.

by Crow on Dec 18, 2009 6:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Lol

Had no idea that was tipton. Excuse me :D how silly of me.

by BlueThruNThru on Dec 18, 2009 7:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

INTEGRITY?

Just goes to show you that Coach Cal has much more class than Knight. Knight is just a bitter, jealous, obnoxious old man with a bad attitude and big mouth. Hasn’t changed much has he? Talk about integrity. He abused his players, his ex-wife and now his right to freedom of speech. ESPN needs to reel him in before he embarrasses his employer and gets himself fired again.

by hevymetalcowboy on Dec 18, 2009 6:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

As I said in Clay's blog....

I think Bobby looks over at Cal and sees everything he is not: a successful good looking coach with unmatched people skills and perfectly in tune with today’s fickle youth. Where Knight berates and scolds, Cal listens and compromises. Where Knight demeans and tears down, Cal smooths over and builds up. Probably doesn’t make Knight feel any better than Indiana is still languishing while Kentucky was instantly re-energized by Cal with a recruiting class Knight couldn’t have put together in 10 years, let along a couple months like Cal did. So Knight rationalized himself back into relevance and his employers are only too happy to perpetuate it.

by Crow on Dec 18, 2009 6:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bobby Knight

has never wanted to be anyone but Bobby Knight. For better or worse…

I really don’t think these comments came from a place of jealousy or some kind of self-admission that he did everything wrong while Calipari does everything right. You may be doing a little projecting here.

by don'tshootmei'macard on Dec 19, 2009 3:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cal Responds Video +

More important: Bad practice, team runs for an hour.

"Learn(ing) without thinking begets ignorance. Think(ing) without learning is dangerous."
-Confucius

by Wild Weasel on Dec 18, 2009 7:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Facts

are stubborn things.

Two final fours, no rings to wear or banners to hang.

I guess Coach Cal is just unlucky…

Regardless of Coach Knights’s comments, and even though he is a Hall of Fame member and a three time national championship winning coach, even the most dedicated UK hater has to admit that Coach Cal has a really good thing going in Lexington. I give him total credit for turning the tide at Kentucky as quickly as he has.

   

by BR7 on Dec 18, 2009 7:29 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Knight is the Woody Allen of college basketball. Tremendous early success then 20 years of stomping it all into the mud with his self-absorbed egotistical derangements.

by Crow on Dec 18, 2009 7:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

nice

Zelig…maybe Knight is trying to turn himself into Jim Gray

by fincity on Dec 19, 2009 2:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Knight is the #1 hypocrite.

Geez, this man gets on my last nerve. This is the only man I dislike more them ole “cryin Roy”! I wish someone (40, you still out there?) would look up the free throw differential in the “Knight Era” in his home games. I kept up with it for years growing up, and I know it would be 80% of all home games that they shot at least 15 to 20 more fts. I remember distinctly two years in particular, the ones that started off the Pitino era at UK that the first year we were outshot from the line something like 46 or 48 to I think 9?! And lost by 3! The next year we beat them by two or three and they shot like 54 fts to our I think 11? Those are close figures, if they’re not exactly right. In my book, 30 years of this is more then coincedental.
  Also, I was told today that Coach Cal actually was the one that blew the whistle on Marcus Camby? Is that right? I know Knight has never turned himself in, even when he shot one of his best friends, who then lied to keep Knight out of trouble!!!! I can’t see Knight ever admitting anything he did wrong?! I know Knight never admitted choking one of his players, even when it was caught on film?
  I will pray for the man, and he needs it, but I have little use for him.

When a great nation falls, it falls from within. There is only two ways to do this. One must "take" power by force, or when the other side simply "gives" it to them. me

by blubloodcatfan on Dec 18, 2009 8:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

knight has no need to turn himself in...

he has never done anything wrong – at least in his eyes….

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on Dec 18, 2009 9:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You are correct.

It was Cal who self-reported the Camby violations.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Dec 19, 2009 11:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

thanx

Also, is Knight divorced? Didn’t know, if he was. I was told that he is, and that it had something to do with a cheerleader? I have never heard about this, until yesterday. Anybody know anything about this?

When a great nation falls, it falls from within. There is only two ways to do this. One must "take" power by force, or when the other side simply "gives" it to them. me

by blubloodcatfan on Dec 19, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh,

Knight allowed his own son to lie for him on the choking mess, publically before the nation!!!!!!!! What a guy.
  If I could go back in time and take the place of any person of my choice, I would give almost anything to stand in for Joe B. when Knight “cuffed” him on the back of the head that night! And I’m not much of a J.B.H. fan.

When a great nation falls, it falls from within. There is only two ways to do this. One must "take" power by force, or when the other side simply "gives" it to them. me

by blubloodcatfan on Dec 18, 2009 9:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Just stand in for Hamilton

he was physically better able to knock the crap out of Knight. Unfortunately, he showed “better” judgement.

by hoboat33 on Dec 18, 2009 11:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So in closing......

Integrity is something Knight can only talk about, becasue he’s never really personally experienced it himself.

When a great nation falls, it falls from within. There is only two ways to do this. One must "take" power by force, or when the other side simply "gives" it to them. me

by blubloodcatfan on Dec 18, 2009 9:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Dancing with the Devil

I have voiced my concern over hiring Cal. I was scared out of my mind when he was hired because of what could happen but I said one thing……….I will trust Sandy Bell. I stick by that too. I do want to say this though, I had no idea that Cal self reported the Camby thing. The whole Memphis thing was the clearinghouse’s fault. Not Cal’s fault. I do think though if we want to win and want to recruit well we will need to dance with the devil and the devil is not Cal. The devil is the “system” that is in place. The AAU and NBA system that is. If we want Kentucky to be Kentucky then we must do this. We must go after the lottery picks to be in the elite grouping. Well these kids are products of the AAU crap. We will always have issues like what happened with Wall. We cannot go around following every kid making sure everything is just perfect. There will always be the unknown. We must accept that and dance with the devil just as all other elite schools do and have done for years. This doesn’t make Cal the devil but just a player in his game. Bobby Knight knows it and knows that he can never be relevant again and so he is striking out.

Kentucky bretheren united once again! Thanks Cal!

by tenken on Dec 18, 2009 9:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Just Ignore it Baby

I have resigned myself to just reading about UK basektball (and the wave of Man-Crush articles on JWall)…and leaving the biting diatribe laced comments to the uneducated and misinformed…just finished watching “The Good Shepard”, the quasi fictional tale of the birth of the CIA…cloak and dagger stuff…just have to wonder if the NCAA and ESPN have their own fedora wearing mysterious men lurking in the backrooms perfecting misinformation towards Cal in hopes of derailing his recruiting prowess and further besmirching UK…(with the tired lines that we’ve all read all too many times)…now add on double agent Bobby Knight (didn’t he used to hate the media?) and we see that even old washed up coaches still will say anything about UK (or it’s coach) just to get some attention…he reminds me of a 5 year old with a naughty vocabulary and a penchant for hitting the other kids in daycare…he apparently needs the attention…so…I have sworn to ignore it from now on…I hope Cal does as well…win the Title (or a few) and shut them up…maybe then Knight will read up on his targets before taking aim at them

by fincity on Dec 19, 2009 2:41 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

The Arrogant Old Man Bob Knight

According to another Dinosaur, washed up old man Bobby “dadgum” Bowen, its not the coaches job to check on the status of the recruit or student that plays ball in college, it’s only the coaches job to win games. Are we playing with different rules for basketball coaches? Mr Arrogance Bobby can’t get the facts straight, there was no probation, just in his fickle mind, I believed that the kid he so lovingly put his hands around his throat was the son or grandson of and assistant coach at Kentucky back in the late ’60s or early ’70s,just wondering why he would recruit anyone that had a little bit of Blue in his history. The quicker this blow hard gets out of the public eye the better of the sport of basketball can be appreciated .

by chiperwin on Dec 19, 2009 9:01 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Our Friend Jerry Tipton is at it again, BTW

Copy/paste from 12/19 LHL article by JT:

“And earlier this year, the NCAA ordered Memphis to vacate its 2008 Final Four because Rose was found to have cheated on his college entrance exam.” note:emphasis mine.

by cpacat on Dec 19, 2009 10:42 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

LOL!

It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Dec 19, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I used to respect Bobby back in the

“good ol days” now he is a has been,abusive, archaic , washed up, simple man’s, Woody Hayes.

by rodoc on Dec 19, 2009 11:29 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Jealous...

All the haters kept their mouths shut when we were just winning 20 games each year..Now that we are back they can’t stand it…I call it just being jealous…

by 59Bennett on Dec 19, 2009 12:11 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

All I know

is that “integrity” is not something that Knight can lecture anyone about! It applies to all area’s of your life Bobby, not just one or two specific one’s. I haven’t been able to stand the sight of the man for – oh, I guess about 35 years now!

When a great nation falls, it falls from within. There is only two ways to do this. One must "take" power by force, or when the other side simply "gives" it to them. me

by blubloodcatfan on Dec 19, 2009 5:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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