The Big Blue Daily Mail -- Wildcats vs. the World Edition
by Truzenzuzex on Dec 17, 2009 7:04 PM EST
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I bumped into this Gregg Doyel article down in the FanShots, and thought it deserved a bit more commentary.
I have to admit, I used to really loathe Doyel, but over the past couple of years, he has grown on me. I can't really put my finger on it, he really hasn't been that much different -- maybe I'm just getting less sensitive to sarcasm in my old age and learning to appreciate it more. Embracing the hate, as it were.
Well, this is certainly no hate piece, at least, not directed at Kentucky, or Calipari. In fact, it's just the kind of thing I might write if I actually, you know, had a sense of humor. Here are a couple of excerpts:
The media would hate it [Kentucky going undefeated], but that makes me want it even more. Media groupthink has decided John Calipari is a bad guy, but media groupthink also decided Texas should play Alabama for the college football championship, and that the running back from Alabama is the best player in the country. Media groupthink is silly.
I have often thought the very same thing. Media groupthink is silly, sometimes even extremely harmful, and the thought of angering the media by watching a sacred cow or three get brutally slaughtered and eaten raw really warms the cockles of my heart.
As a bonus, we would also get to watch the cranial conflagrations of opposing fans or just plain UK haters who are dying to see Coach Cal fail, or find some tiny shred of moral turpitude to justify a "See! I told ya so!" Watching both the media and their cognitively dissonant acolytes spray gray mater all over their basement and/or cubicle wall is, to paraphrase the Grinch, "A sight I really must see." But as Doyel says, I'm not predicting it -- just wishing for it.
More after the jump.
Another graf I really like:
Imagine, then, this coach winning the national title this year -- and not losing a game along the way. Kentucky would replace Bob Knight's 1976 Indiana Hoosiers as the last team to go undefeated. From his perch at ESPN, Knight would be miserable. From its perch in Indianapolis, the NCAA would be miserable. Memphis would hate it. Louisville would hate it. Indiana wouldn't believe it. The media would moan.
And what sweet, sonorous music that would make! The mind fairly boggles at the prospect of the angst and anguish of Louisville fans. And Indiana fans? Oh, my. We'd have to bring the Kentucky National Guard with us next time we went to Bloomington for a game. The gnashing of teeth from Tobacco Road would be audible all the way to Pauley Pavilion.
Thanks, Gregg. Yeah, it's just a dream.
But it's a good dream.
Now, for the news:
- UK commit injured
Fortunately, it should be minor. Just a concussion, although those can be a real problem. - College football notes: Dec. 17 - Sports - Kentucky.com
Central Michigan is usually a reliable place to find good coaches, much like Western Kentucky in basketball. - Basketball Prospectus | Articles | Around the Rim: Texas About to Get Tested
Junior point guard Jai Lucas will make his Texas debut Saturday as he becomes eligible after transferring from Florida. He is the son of former NBA point guard and coach John Lucas.
Texas Longhorns vs. the North Carolina Tar Heels. Must see TV, in my book. - Wildcats Thunder Blog: Kentucky vs Austin Peay......A Preview
- Mashburn to return for Kentucky’s bid for 2,000 basketball victories | courier-journal.com | The Courier-Journal
Awesome! Mashburn was the biggest recruit to come to Kentucky in my lifetime, and what a great player he was. I forgot just how great until I watched the Kentucky Wildcats vs. the Georgia Bulldogs from back in 1993 the other night. I sure would love to have him back. - Man falls into pit in Kentucky cave, dies | courier-journal.com | The Courier-Journal
Prayers for the family. - Kentucky Sports Radio " Blog Archive " Newton Figured To Start in Nashville
- Key transfers finally eligible - Beyond the Arc - msnbc.com
Three top teams get a lot stronger. - What’s going to happen with Liggins? | Vaught's Views
Calipari seems bent on not publicly discussing personnel issues. I agree that at some point, it might make more sense for Liggins to transfer if Cal is just going to treat him like a victory cigar. But I suspect otherwise. - The Big Blue Nation Report: Just a little Christmas Jingle
Heh. Not bad ... - Lawyer: Ex-Connecticut Huskies student manager at center of recruiting allegations has not spoken to NCAA - ESPN
A lawyer for the man at the center of recruiting allegations against the University of Connecticut says his client has not spoken to investigators. - NCAA Tournament: If It Ain't Broke.. | College Basketball by Collegehoops.net
The NCAA Tournament is the single greatest event in American sports. It is three weeks of complete saturation of the best college basketball has to offer, with each game an elimination game, with each game coming one step closer to a championship.
The argument against expanding the tournament. Pretty compelling. But it’s not great because there are a lot of teams playing. It’s great because there are a lot of good teams playing. 31 teams are there because they won their conference championship – they earned their way in. The others represent (in theory) the 34 best teams remaining. - Around the Top 25: Ohio State beats Presbyterian; Thad Matta doesn’t eject any fans | College Hoops Journal
Ouch. How's that phiz feelin' today, Roy? - After long hiatus, Caracter shows signs he could salvage career - NCAA Division I Mens Basketball - CBSSports.com
UTEP is 5-0 without Derrick Caracter.
And 0-2 with him.
That's what many will mention about Caracter's return to college basketball, and I suppose it's fair to mention because, well, it's true. The record doesn't lie. There's no way around it. But as someone who sat courtside and watched Caracter get 15 points and 15 rebounds in 32 minutes against Ole Miss, I can tell you with a degree of certainty that he's not the reason UTEP lost its past two games.
Wouldn't it be sooooo droll if UTEP wound up playing U of L sometime this year? Caracter vs. Pitino? Oh, I would absolutely love to see that happen.
Please, NIT committee, make that happen. :-) - Tyler Hansbrough, Jonny Flynn shaped decade in college hoops - 2000s: The Decade in Sports - SI.com
BEST COACHING RIVALRY: John Calipari vs. Bruce Pearl Calipari has been at loggerheads with lots of coaches over the years, from Lou Carnesecca to John Chaney to Jim Calhoun to his current doppelganger at Louisville, Rick Pitino. But the state of Tennessee was truly not big enough for both Pearl and Calipari, whose constant jabs at each other in the media, on the recruiting trail and on the court made for great theater. The rivalry crested on Feb. 23, 2008, when Pearl's Vols, who were ranked No. 2 in the country, edged top-ranked and undefeated Memphis 66-62.
I hope it goes from "best" to "epic." - 3-Pointers: Krzyzewski backs tournament expansion - Mike DeCourcy - College Basketball - Sporting News
Most important, getting into the tournament wouldn't mean much if 96 teams were admitted. It's like being invited to your class reunion. You graduated, they found your address, so you get a letter. It doesn't mean you were popular.
That's my main concern. - Sprints Is Interested In Hiring a Florida Assistant // 12.17.09 - Team Speed Kills
- Even more expansion talk - this time Pac Ten gets in on the action - Block U
Expansion talk in the PAC-10. - Could Big Ten Expansion Force the SEC to Bring In a New School? - Dawg Sports
Kyle King has thoughts on any possible SEC expansion. I would not want the Cardinals in the SEC, but Georgia Tech or Clemson would be very solid additions. - Q&A: StatSheet's Robbie Allen - Blogger So Dear
Blogger So Dear interviews StatSheet founder Robbie Allen - " BBL: Josh Selby now considering Arizona John Clay’s Sidelines
John Clay's Big Blue Links. - John Wall: The Best Freshman in College Basketball History?
- Intentional Foul " RIP Chris Henry
Very sad. Prayers to the family. - Vaught's Views: UK's Ramon Harris handling challenges of being a new dad: AMNews.com
He’s not a great scorer and knows scoring is not what this team needs from him. Instead, he’s willing — and able — to play defense, rebound and pass. And he hustles. He never seems to get up on a loose ball or long rebound.
Ramon has carved out playing time on a team where very few thought he could. Impressive young man. - Intentional Foul " Royce White Says Adios
Ouch. Not good for the Gophers.
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Doyel's writing skills.
During the past years when I would happen to “enjoy” one of his articles I just knew he was on vacation and a “ghost writer” had been hired to produce a good article or at least an article that would not cause me to scream. But as you I have recently liked the articles written under his name.
and the thought of angering the media by watching a sacred cow or three get brutally slaughtered and eaten raw really warms the cockles of my heart.
LOL, tru. PETA (err, the NCAA) would be all over us for that one. But I totally agree. It’s great to see a media-type like Doyel stick it to his own bunch. An undefeated season would be so special, and infuriating all the nay-sayers would make it that much sweeter. We’ve waited a long time for something like this, and regardless of what happens this year, I am truly savoring every minute of this season.
Calipari, LeBron, Wall And The NBA
Not one but two pieces on Calipari, James, Wall and their future.
LeBron’s budding relationship with Calipari
The Cleveland Plain Dealer’s Brian Windhorst had a terrific story Sunday on the relationship between LeBron James(notes) and John Calipari’s Kentucky program. James used his summer sneaker camp to build relationships with America’s best young players – kids who could eventually be represented by his own marketing company, LRMR. For now, John Wall is clearly a target.
What’s more, James’ cozy relationship with Calipari has long inspired discussion within the league that the star could make a power play for him to become his coach. Calipari has deftly created the illusion that James is his player, a powerful association in the recruiting battles. In fact, a source says LeBron was on the Rupp Arena pass list – along with his two Cavs teammates, UNC alums Jawad Williams(notes) and Danny Green(notes) – for Kentucky’s victory over North Carolina on Dec. 5. They were supposed to fly down in a private jet for the Saturday afternoon game, but a snag in Cleveland cancelled the trip.
At Memphis, Calipari had tried for a return to the NBA. He would’ve taken most pro jobs, but that’s changed with his move to Kentucky. Perhaps no coach in college sports has a chance to win more titles and make more money than Cal does at Kentucky.
Says one source close to Calipari, "I don’t see a scenario anymore where he would leave to join LeBron in Cleveland, but another situation? Different team? In two or three years? That might be a different story."
and this.
"Learn(ing) without thinking begets ignorance. Think(ing) without learning is dangerous."
-Confucius
The Best Freshman in College Basketball History
First – I have a buddy that is a Miss State grad. 4 years ago, he got me floor seats to the UK game in Starkville. Since before this season started- and after every UK game this season – I have told him to get the seats again for the UK game – #1 because I want to see UK and #2 because Wall is a kid you want to say you saw in college. He has looked at me like “Are you kidding, no one will be at the game” and said not to worry about it. Tonight, he told me the guy he got the tickets from won’t return his call…word is out – See Wall when he comes to town.
Second, I know I should leave it alone, but Tipton is quoted in the article about Wall being the best freshman ever. While he starts out ok – comparing him to Rondo – he has to go on and say freshmen could not always play and lists 3 or 4 other strong freshmen players. His comments are fair, but why can’t leave it on a high note – he does NOT always have the “That Guy” that always says “yes, but….” when it comes to UK. He is ALWAYS That Guy. No wonder his approval rate is so low…..
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on Dec 17, 2009 10:49 PM EST reply actions
Bob Knight is still a horse's ass
.
Never have warmed up to this guy, or heard him broadcast a game, but was willing to give him a chance after some positive reviews from some members of ASOB.
I should have trusted my instincts.
Nice quote from Knight.
“We’ve gotten into this situation where integrity is really lacking and that’s why I’m glad I’m not coaching,” he said. "You see we’ve got a coach at Kentucky [John Calipari], who put two schools on probation and he’s still coaching. I really don’t understand that.
Bob Knight finished his coaching career a loser, and a quitter.
It should have stayed that way.
by Sonic on Dec 17, 2009 11:26 PM EST reply actions
agree....
I tried to respect him due to the program he ran, but he is a loose cannon with a short, short fuse.
I know one of the big boosters at Texas Tech and he told me some bobby knight stories – lets just saw he has some anger management issues on and off the court…..
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on Dec 17, 2009 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
maybe knight has just read doyle's article...
and was thinking of Cal going underfeated….
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on Dec 17, 2009 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
Or maybe he is just a d
ick
I have every confidence that Tru will be setting him straight soon. :-)
by Sonic on Dec 17, 2009 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
How else can Knight justify his existance?
His whole argument is predicated on the idea you can treat your charges any kind of bad you see fit as long as you don’t get any NCAA sanctions.
I wonder if he understands how a man could be coaching who struck his players or threw chairs across the arena floor? How would he justify that?
What we have here is pure rationalization. Ignore it.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
But ----
But what if he had coached at Kentucky? I’m sure we would have run him out on a rail. We don’t care about winning at all. We only hire men and women above stuff like that.
If he had been at Kentucky, the president of the University would have been the one leaving.
It was his opinion and he has a right to say it.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
Who knows?
Not I.
Sure, he has a right to say it. I don’t recall anyone suggesting otherwise. That doesn’t make it any less of a cheap shot.
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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 18, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Ah, hadn't read the comments before I made my fanshot on this
Ah well.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
Maybe if
Coach Cal chucked him on the back of the head he would understand. ESPN better have a talk with him because UK fans watch a lot of basketball other than UK games.
LOL
I’d love to see that!
Knight’s old but with his temper that may be the greatest spat in basketball history. I don’t see Bobby backing down from many.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
And he shot someone
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
Huh?
Yea, but a winning horse’s ass. No NCAA investigations, and doesn’t kiss ass. Hasn’t he got more wins than anyone in major college history?
You may not like his methods but its hard to argue with the results.
So he doesn’t approve of Calipari. There’s a few in Memphis that doesn’t either.
Knight made his mark on basketball, lets see the final conclusion when Cal gets done. Maybe better, we’ll see.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
Bobby Knight is now employed by ESPN as a commentator for their coverage of NCAA
Basketball. That, in and of itself, should give the man pause when he speaks. And if you are going to back up that chair throwing, student choking, foul mouthed, brainless piece of illiterate trash, then you lose some of your credibility with me Paris. He is not only a blight on the profession of coaching, but on humanity itself. You want to praise his results and ignore his methods then youre on your own.
Remember, we're having fun now!!!
That's OK
I hate to lose credibility with anyone. Sorry.
Knight gave all the money he got from the clothiers to the IU library. He has helped players and others once their basketball carreers were over.
So he threw a chair. And he didn’t do it the Kentucky way.
Ever here the story about when Macy got his jaw broken and he few him back to Lexington on his own dollar?
Have of me what ever opinion you want, I’m not going to bash a guy because he coached at a school not named UK.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
its not about WHERE he coached.......
its about what he did WHEN he coached. I could care less where he was. And this is not about the fact that he was not at UK either. The man(and I use that term loosely) was nothing shy of being something less than a troll.
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no problem
I understand tha’s your opinion.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
His results prior to the mid 1990's perhaps
He doesn’t fit into the reality of today’s sports.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
A few thoughts:
-Simply put, if Derrick Caracter had shown up at Louisville in basketball shape and listened to Rick Pitino, he’d be a millionaire today. A millionaire RIGHT NOW, not playing at UTEP.
-John Wall might be the Brett Favre of college basketball; it’s like he’s the only person playing right now. On ESPN the other morning, someone asked Xavier Henry “Does it bother you that John Wall gets all the publicity?” I would have said “Who?”, but Xavier took the high road.
-The problem with Bobby Knight? He never got over telling the truth (this is where that punctuation smiley face would go if I used those).
by don'tshootmei'macard on Dec 18, 2009 12:17 AM EST reply actions
What about a VA Tech addition to the SEC and other thoughts
-I keep hearing that they could be a possibility. Think of the the football game between them and UT…. they’d have to play at the Bristol Speedway. But wouldn’t they have to add two? Wouldn’t 13 teams throw the divisions off?
-John Wall is a force of nature, Xavier Henry is not even the best player on his team.
-RIP Chris Henry. The saddest story I’ve heard in some time.
-Leave the tournament alone. Any additions and you have the college football bowl scenario. Congrats on making it, you’re average.
I left TN and now I am back in the Bluegrass... just in time for Football and Keeneland! Life is great!
Xavier Henry not the best player on the team
Well… they were a wing player away from being a great team last year, and now Henry steps onto a team with not one but two preseason All-Americans and is leading the team in scoring and playing a LOT less minutes than John Wall. I would say that there is reason for him to get more attention.
A well spoken Kansas fan I know on another message board put it this way:
Xavier’s averaging 18.0 ppg, compared to Wall’s 18.1. They both average 4.1 rpg. Wall is ahead in assists per game, but he is a point guard so I would hope he would be ahead in that stat (and turnovers). From the field their shooting percentages are very comparable (Wall – .54, Henry .556), but Henry is shooting 16.5% better from 3pt range.
All things considered their stats line up pretty nicely… except for one: in the same nine games Wall has played 73 more minutes than Xavier, that’s nearly TWO ENTIRE GAMES! (35.1mpg versus 27.0)
Wall AND Henry are both great players, but to imply that Wall is having a much better season than Henry is sheer lunacy.
I think that’s a fair argument. The biggest difference in my mind is that Kansas has yet to be pressed by anyone, and therefore we don’t know how Henry would perform under pressure. Wall has been tested and found to be everything he was advertised to be.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
The only true comparison
would be if they played the exact same teams. And even that would need to be evaluated because they play different positions. The PG generally doesn’t score as much as to 2 or 3 position which Henry plays.
I am not sure
about that argument. Henry has helped fine tune an existing powerhouse and is doing a good job. Wall is helping resurrect the UK program while learning a new offensive system. Henry slipped into his role like sliding another finger into the glove. UK has played tougher opponents as well so I think in that respect, Wall is having a better season so far.
Domino effect of adding teams
As always, there’s a domino effect anytime a conference realigns. Just look at the effects to the Big East and Conference USA when the ACC made their play to get a conference championship game in football.
I’ve heard that Missouri could be a good target for the Big 10 if they expand and that would leave the Big 12 looking at a team like Arkansas which would then force the SEC to go after someone like Clemson/GaTech and that would put the ACC back where they were a few years ago when they raided the Big East.
That said, I’m not for the SEC expanding any further. 12 is the perfect number for football/basketball. We have a good system that allows for a conference championship game in football and lets us play a reasonable schedule in basketball that includes home/aways with division foes and one game against every out of division school. The basketball tourney also sets up well and does not force us to consider excluding teams like the Big East used to do.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
I don't think
any conference should have more than 12 teams. The Big East basketball is an example. Someone is always crying that the schedule isn’t fair. You can’t make a round robin schedule with that many teams.
with the SEC tv contracts....
no way (imo) arkansas leaves SEC
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on Dec 18, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
Bobby Knight challenging ANYONE'S integrity is possibly the biggest joke in the
history of collegiate athletics. Is he saying “I am morally superior to you, so I can choke guys, throw chairs, or act as I please?”
Bob, they threw you out of Indiana. Just wanted to make sure you remembered that. For character issues. Remember??? They sent you packing because you couldnt control that 5K mouth of yours(or any other body part) with that .05 head. What are you doing Bob, angling for a hosting job for SNL? ESPN has to have a screw loose to allow you to stay after this. Why didnt you just stand up and say " I don’t like the sonofabitch, he has a chance to take my record away, and there I said it." I would have thought more of you. It amazes me exactly how little you have to be aware of the world around you to be in sports commentary these days. Guess what Bob?, you have become what you most detested, a brainless commentator who is not required to think before he speaks.
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I think Knight
has always had an agenda. I think his comments were meant more as a slam against the NCAA, than coach Cal. He is always looking for any chance to slam the NCAA, as he did last week as well. I wouldn’t put much stock in any thing he says or does.
Caracter v. Pitino
I’m pretty sure that matchup has already taken place. Pitino lost. Heyo!
I’m a Kentucky fan. Season ticket holder in both major sports. I tried to get them in the third, rilfe, but they were sold out.
kentucky’s history in sports is as tainted as anyone’s in the country.
How many times have we been on probation in football? Not to mention basketball.
Football, lets see, Charlie Bradshaw. I personally saw one of his assistants jerk the helmet off a player’s bead and hit him twice in the face with his fist. The brutality during that program was terrible.
Basketball. Which acandal do you want to start with?
Players fixing the scoring margin under Rupp?
Hundred and more dollar handshakes under a variety of coaches.
Express mailings?
You can add a few of your own.
I don’t think Knight is a saint. Didn’t say that. A winner? Look at the records. National Championships, he has a few.
His method of coaching? We weren’t there, OK, maybe some of you were, when he abused someone, allegedly.
As far as Cal. You know if a guy’s house burns down, twice, you think the arson people might be interested? But you weren’t home either time? Who’s name is on the insurance policies?
I don’t care what Cal may or may not have done. It’ll all come out in the wash.
Bobby Knight can say what he wants/ Just like Tru, you and me.
Its just something to bitch about today. Tomorrow some one will say Wall isn’t the best point guard in the country.
Then it wll be time to jump in his stuff.
If you don’t believe Kentucky’s basketball program is the finest in the country, you’re a communist. A member of the Taliban. Don’t forget that.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
Exactly right.
If you don’t believe Kentucky’s basketball program is the finest in the country, you’re a communist. A member of the Taliban. Don’t forget that.
So get on board, or get your ticket to Gitmo. :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 18, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
C'mon Tru....you know he cant go to Gitmo anymore......lol
they moved those guys…..
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Okay.
Well, Chicago, then. Or wherever.
Hey, that would be a cheaper ticket, too! :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 18, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Gitmo Moving
To Thompsen IL – 150 miles west of Chicago.
by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 18, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Do they play football? Maybe, just maybe, they don’t have a coach in waiting.
I’ll stay in Kentucky and Florida. You know, were we can actually brag or whatever about what we are gong to do ‘next year’.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
And the problem is
you’re serious!
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
Absolutely serious.
That “:-)” at the end is the new Internet emoticon for “I’m as serious as a heart attack in a June bug.”
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Dec 18, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Question
ABC, in all seriiousiness, other than UNLV, who is a more investigated basketball program of by the NCAA?
Still love me? At least a little bit? Heck, I’ll even admit no other coach in Kentucky basketball history came in with the creds that Cal did. Agree on that?
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
ABC
that was to say ’’of note". I;m sure someone, maybe Cleveland State, has more. But of the major players.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
The point here is simply that one thing has nothing to do with the other.
A man who by his own admission and videotape evidence is nothing more than a successful bully pimp is claiming that someone else’s integrity is in question when not only has the entire situation not been resolved, but the man has been cleared of any wrongdoing( unlike Knight). If he wants to say that the man is coaching one of the most investigated programs in history, that is in and of itself accurate. But Knight uses incorrect information and insinuation to make himself look holier than thou. He’s a 2 bit jackass with nothing left to do, other than to become what he claimed all throughout his coaching career he hated above all else, and that is an uninformed member of the media, and that not only makes him wrong, it makes him a hypocrite to boot.
He has his 900 wins. Great, good for him. I will send my kid to play for a guy who pushes the limits above a self-inflated narcissist anyday. I understand the love affair with the whole “old-school” coaching approach. And if you want to put Knight in a military uniform and send him into battle, hell, I am all for it. But as a coach, I’m sorry, he couldnt hold a light for Calipari to work by, and I will hold to that statement, even if, and that is a very big IF, the situation at Memphis is not reversed upon the appeal. If Knight wants to stand up and beat on his chest for all the world to see, then fine.
Let’s see if he comes back to Lexington for the next Gameday broadcast. The problem with guys like Knight is, that he has never had anyone really stand up to him and tell him to take a hike. What I would like to see him do is open his mouth like that with any 2 of Calipari’s former players on both sides of him. Let’s see if he runs his mouth so much then. Better yet, let him try it at center court Rupp Arena……something tells me he would be otherwise engaged given the chance.
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Where is the answer to my question?
Where in all of that is the answer to my question?
if Cal finishes with 900 victories, not including the games he foreited, then you MAY be correct.
I don’t think Bobby Knight would not come back to Lexington for any reason I know of right now. How come no one has busted his chops so far? He’s’ been a round for a while, maybe he’s been tried. If he has he still is saying what he feels. Isn’t that what it all about?
Just answer the question.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
I honestly dont know the answer to your question. I know that Alabama(football)
is the most penalized program in the history of the NCAA for either sport. As far as the “love” goes, I dont mean to make you feel like you are responsible for Knight, but I wont cannonize the guy. We have way too many self-proclaimed S.O.B.’s who have honors being thrown at their feet.
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well.....
ucla comes to mind – circa late 1970’s post wooden (actually catch up) and mid 80’s Harrick
also, memphis, circa 1985 and, er, 2007 (guess that does not help “my” side).
would have to look at michigan, kansas, and even iu…
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on Dec 18, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
Definitely add Kansas....
I believe they have more major infractions than uk….
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on Dec 18, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
man i must be bored....
but according to the ncaa major infraction data base (yes, virginia, there is such a beast) there have been 305 major basketball infractions since Jan 1953 (with UK holding the honor of having the first).
Eyeballing it and doing a rough sort, here are the programs with 3 or more infactions (the number of infractions will be in parentheses and, unless otherwise noted, assume the infractions occurred over multi decades)
Auburn University (3)
Baylor University(3)
Bradley (4)
Cal State, Fresno (3)
Centenary Coll (3)
Florida State (4)
Grambling State (3)
LSU (4)
McNeese State (3)
New Mexico State (3)
North Carolina State (4)
Texas A&M (3)
Ohio State (3)
Univ of Buffalo, SUNY (3)
UCLA (3)
Cincinnati (4)
Dayton (3)
UGA (3)
Univ of Ill (Champaign) (3)
Kansas (5)
UK (4)
Univ of Louisiana, Laf (3)
UL (3)
Memphis (4)
Univ of Minn, Twin Cities (5)
UNLV (3)
San Francisco (3) all within 5 years
South Carolina (3)
Univ of Texas, Pan American (4)
Univ of Wisconsin, Madison (3)
West Texas A&M (3)
Western Kentucky (3)
Wichita State (4)
Wrong is wrong so do not construe this post as trying to justify our 4. Also, i realize most do not meet Paris’ (or my) definition of major program. However, Kansas, UCLA, NC State, and UNLV do (and LSU?). by the way, there sure look to be a disproportionate number of schools in Louisiana….
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on Dec 18, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
forgot a few....
Cincinnati and Memphis. there is one more…hmmm…seem to be overlooking it..
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on Dec 18, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
UL is the one i did not mention...
but is it a major program? :)
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on Dec 19, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
That's a pretty interesting list.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
Interesting list memphis
I’m glad you were bored….or something :-)
Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Dec 18, 2009 11:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Looking over it again...
Is “Univ of Minn, Twin Cities” the same Minnesota where Tubby is coaching now?
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
Not Sure?
U of M is located in Minneapolis.
There is also UMTC campus.
by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 19, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
Was Not Sure Either...
my gut is that it is a different school…
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on Dec 19, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Tru
I got ya.
Maybe tomorrow you can tell us all how successful Mitch has been as the Kentucky Athletic Director. Should be a short piece
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
I'm sure you'll take care of that for me.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Dec 18, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
lunch...
i just spent most of my lunch reading about what bobby knight said and some guy from paris defending it…what a waste….i shoulda been reading some delusional comments on card chron.
Lets get it on!!!!
Hang in there. You'll get an idea of your own sometime. The odds are in your favor.
Mag, don’t think independently. It will burn up some brain cells. Just go along with the majority and you’ll be good.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
Sacrebleu!
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
huh???
my thinking on you is…..oh wait…that seems to be in line with the majority here..guess ill keep trying.
Lets get it on!!!!
Hey, I from Kentucky. What the hell does that mean?
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
That you're a disloyal traitor to the cause!
Benedict Paris. :-)
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Dec 18, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Colon Coward...
is backing up knight,of course,on his espn show..By the way hope I spelled your name correct…
Is he now?
How nice. :-)
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Dec 18, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, he's a blowhard though
He’ll say anything for ratings and won’t talk about a sport if it can’t pull decent ratings.
Just yesterday he was talking about how he hates to watch the early rounds of the NCAA tourney and all he wants to see is John Wall and Kentucky take on Kansas.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
I have to say
in my brief time here one of the things I have enjoyed is the maturity level of discussions (often opposing points of view) as compared to other forums I have visited. Don’t be drawn into the trap that posters like Paris set, it just demeans ASOB.
Right, wineman,
time for the “SHUN”. Morally superior people live off telling others about it.
No moral victories--it's all about Ws and Ls!!!
Yep
There’s some good analysis here, sans the wtf, etc. you see elsewhere.
I’ve been “corrected” a few times. Once, up to a +5 when I went after boogie. I didn’t mind it. Not everybody can be right. (the 5 were wrong… lol)
No matter where you're at, there you are
Demeans? Having a difference of opinion is demeaning?
How do I demean the Sea of Blue?
I pointed out that I differed with the feelings about Bobby Knight.
Didn’t I say the book is out on Cal? Did I say Knight is right or wrong on his comments? No, I defended Knight as a coach, a winner, and just because he didn’t coach at kentucky he is still a winning coach without NCAA investigations.
if you’re here for the pep rally, don’t read my posts.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
Paris,
it’s not the content, it’s the tone. You come across as a child getting in someone’s face and raising their voice to win an argument.
You're amazing. Can catch tone from a written comment.
Tone?
I voice most of my comments with a touch of humor. Did you catch that along with the tone?
IF I WANTED TO RAISE MY VOICE I"D DO IT LIKE THIS.
I think is more of me not wanting to join the pep rally on bashing Knight. Again, he can have his opinion as much as you can have yours.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
With wineman's permission, Paris,
I’d like to agree with both of you. As you say, you can’t always get tone from the written word, without the occasional emoticon or self-deprecating comment. But, as wineman notes, without those, your comments along the line of “try to have an occasional original thought, you might like it” come across as biting and demeaning, implying that you have awarded yourself a cloak of intellectual superiority that puts you on a higher level than the rest of us ignorant UK fans.
You might have intended such comments as humorous sarcasm, which the spoken word might have conveyed. In writing, however, they are mean-spirited and violate at least three of the community guidelines. Without the inflections and, yes, tone, of spoken words, you have to make your humor more evident. Without that, your very good discussions about football coaching succession plans and recruiting will be lost in others’ reflexive negative reactions.
No moral victories--it's all about Ws and Ls!!!
Paris
i answered your question about other elite bball programs that have been investigated…Kansas is #1…
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on Dec 18, 2009 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
Wasn't Gillispie considered a poor man's Bobby Knight?
Maybe Knight is bitter that didn’t work out. That he went down in flames here DOES kind of look like an indictment of the ability of Knight-style, hardass, my-way-or-the-highway coaches succeeding today in high-level college basketball. Calipari is the antithesis of that type—he’s smooth, a player’s coach. And he’s the darling of college basketball. I’m bet that sticks in the craw of a guy like Knight. That said, I’m don’t especially care that he said this. I enjoy Bobby Knight’s gruff, strictly-business air as an announcer, and I don’t think his opinion is that relevant on this topic.
by blue kentucky girl on Dec 18, 2009 5:00 PM EST reply actions
Bobby Knight
needs to do more announcing and less denouncing.
Good Post Kentucky Girl
I catch your meaning but with Mitch controlling the purse strings there are no poor men associated with Kentucky athletics.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
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