The Big Blue Daily Mail -- Rich Brooks Edition
by Truzenzuzex on Dec 16, 2009 6:24 PM EST
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As most everyone has heard by now, Rich Brooks has been voted Coach of the Year by CollegeFootballNews.com. No, it's not the AP or SEC, but it's still an honor and I think Brooks deserves it, especially considering having to start a freshman at quarterback for most of the season.
In other news, Mike Miller of Beyond the Arc says he wouldn't be averse to expanding the NCAA tournament. Personally, I am fairly agnostic about the idea, but I do wonder when we reach the point of too much of a good thing? If we expand the tournament much more, we are going to be allowing teams in that don't even have a winning record or a conference championship, and at some point there will be diminishing returns.
Then again, all these bowls don't seem to be a problem in football, because if they didn't make money, they woudn't exist. I suppose I could always just ignore the first round of the tournament and start watching from the second round on if they expand.
And for those of you who are wondering, the Austin Peay Governors at the Kentucky Wildcats will be shown in Louisville and a few other Kentucky markets on Insight channel 2. That's good to know.
The rest of the news follows the jump.
- Santa Cat is Coming to Town | Coach Calipari
- Are Basketball Fans Obsessed with John Wall?
Heh. Well, there you go. - Anything but Gatorade: ALL -AUGHT KENTUCKY BASEKTBALL TEAMS?
Looks like a pretty good list to me. - UK Football Fan: Saturday Reset
Locke exploring the NFL? Really? - Pitt's perfect to add to Big Ten - Beyond the Arc - msnbc.com
Interesting. I would have been more inclined to Syracuse, but Pitt is closer to Big Ten country than the 'Cuse. - Kentucky-Austin Peay basketball game will be on Insight Ch. 2 in Louisville. | courier-journal.com | The Courier-Journal
I guess I'll be able to watch the game after all. - Rick Bozich | Some ratings are not kind to Louisville, Kentucky basketball | courier-journal.com | The Courier-Journal
Pomeroy's numbers are not as bullish as I expected on Kentucky. The Wildcats are projected to lose six of 16 games in the Southeastern Conference, including two to Tennessee. No surprise that he picks the Vols to win the SEC East at 13-3.
We discussed this yesterday. Those predictions will change pretty quickly if UK blows out a few foes here in the next several days, but it will take an undefeated non-conference season to really affect them -- which is certainly a very real possibility. - TheTimesTribune.com, Corbin, KY - Lots of stuff to ramble about this week
A lot of people are saying UK’s "Great Wall" is the best freshman point guard since the "Magic Man" was manning the position for Michigan State in the late 70s.
So how does John Wall compare to Magic Johnson? Hmm. Interesting ... - Rush The Court " Blog Archive " Morning Five: 12.16.09 Edition
I sure would like to seen Brandon Knight in Blue and White. Hey, that rhymes ... - One-and-done works for Calipari, Wall and UK | Vaught's Views
- Wildcat Blue In a Sea of Orange: A rivalry builds: Kentucky vs Kansas, Wall vs Henry, Calipari vs Self
- You Know It’s A Great Year When….. | BigBlueRules
Heh. - FeinsteinOnTheBrink: A little more on the ‘list’; Touching on the Roy Williams controversy
Okay, let’s not make this into a big deal because it’s not. Did Roy overreact? Yes—even if some of his loyal supporters have jumped in claiming the fan in question was drunk, was rude, didn’t have a ticket (or should NOT have had a ticket) in that section, had used profanity prior to his crack AND was involved in the conspiracy to kidnap the Lindbergh baby. Deon Thompson, by the way, somehow shook off the ‘heckling,’ to make his free throw.
Heh. Not a Feinstein lover at all, but I think he gets this right. - Men’s Roundup - Scheyer Scores Career-High 36 as Duke Routs Gardner-Webb - NYTimes.com
This is how you get to the top of Pomeroy's rankings. - NCAA Basketball And CBS Headed For A Split? - SB Nation
- UK met all criteria for Jon Davis | Vaught's Views
- Some hoops nuggets
From Jody Demling. - Kentucky Sports Radio " Blog Archive " Steelers sign former Cat
Congrats, Johnny! - John Wall has our attention at Kentucky. Don't look away, writes Scoop Jackson - ESPN
How does someone 6-foot-4, 185 pounds vanish, then reappear only after points are scored, assists are made with a smile on his face that could light up Manhattan?
Hype? Yeah. But fun! -
Riek finally eligible, but will he play? - College Basketball Nation Blog - ESPN
Kentucky coach John Calipari said Wednesday he tried to see if the Wildcats could handle themselves without his tutelage in Tuesday’s practice. They failed.
Well, that's not really a surprise.
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Tru,
please correct me if I am wrong but do I detect an inconsistency in your position on PG’s scoring a lot of points. I was only half way paying attention to the report on ESPN about Duke’s blowout and Scheyer’s big scoring night but didn’t they say he had been moved to the point guard position? Your comment above seems to approve of his big night and the blowout as the way to get to the top of the Pomeroy rankings which are, of course, very important in that they project what you might do in the future. First of all, correct me if I am wrong about the position he was playing but please clear up the confusion all of this is causing me :)-
According to Calipari in Vaught's article,
“It is not about having a point guard get 19 assists. You have to score. At times you may say John (Wall) is selfish and I wish on one or two plays he had passed, but I want him to score.”
In order to get the top-notch talent, Calipari has to be able to show recruits that he knows what makes them better in the NBA. If part of that is a point guard who scores, it doesn’t matter what you, Tru, or I think about it. Us Kentucky fans just need to get used to point guards with high scoring averages, if we want the best.
Actually
I am getting pretty bored with the Pomeroy this and Pomeroy that. Let’s play something fun like Pin the Tail on Roy Williams!
Amen, mess038
If we are going to recruit NBA PGs (which is a great idea), then we are going to have to treat them like NBA PGs, not just souped up versions of Sean Sutton or Saul Smith.
The gold standard of NBA PGs right now is Chris Paul. He is that guy that all PGs are looking at— including John Wall and any recruits that we are after.
So, what are John Wall and the recruits seeing right now?
Minutes: Paul = 35, Wall = 35
Shots: Paul = 15, Wall = 11
FG%: Wall = .54, Paul = .53
Assists: Paul = 11, Wall = 7
Percentage of Team’s Assists: Paul = 11/22, Wall = 7/16
Turnovers: Paul = 2.5, Wall = 4.3
Assist/Turnovers: Paul = 4.4, Wall = 1.6
Steals: Wall = 2.8, Paul = 2.3
Points: Paul = 21, Wall = 18
It wouldn’t bother me to see Wall get up a few more shots. Wall does shoot a higher percentage of his teams shots than Paul does, but Paul leads his team in shot attempts. Wall, Patterson and Cousins are all about the same in attempts.
Wall definitely needs to amp up the assists and cut down on turnovers. That is the offensive hole right now. But I do not think he needs to do so at the expense of shots.
by Sonic on Dec 17, 2009 1:48 AM EST up reply actions
With the players Wall has around him ...
… 11 shot attempts is plenty, in my opinion.
But I think Rondo is the gold standard, not Paul, and Rondo is a much better comparison for Wall when it comes to the type of team that surrounds him. The Hornets are young and don’t have a lot of great players other than Paul. Like the Wildcats, the Celtics have a ton of players who can put the ball in the basket.
Paul plays the game a lot more like Wall, though, but if you put him on the Celtics, I doubt he’d average 20 ppg.
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I am just talking about
who those kids are looking up to. And looking at.
It is Chris Paul, not Rajon Rondo. Rondo is in most ‘Top 5’ lists, and gaining in popularity, but Paul is the gold standard.
We are not really that far apart on the shots, you say 11 and I say 12-14. These kids are not likely to come in here and demand more shots than Chris Paul is getting.
I think it is interesting to look at Tyreke Evans and Derrick Rose at Memphis:
Shots: Evans = 14, Rose = 11, Wall = 11
Assists: Wall = 7 (of team’s 16), Evans = 4 (of team’s 14), Rose = 5 (of 16)
Assists/Turnovers: Rose = 1.8, Wall = 1.6, Evans = 1.1
What does that tell you about Wall, Tru? What does it tell you about what Coach Cal is probably telling PG recruits?
I realize your point about “the players Wall has around him”, to a degree. But that really only goes so far. Do not forget that Wall is still the best player on the team. And that fact alone means he is going to be a very, very good choice to be taking shots. That is pretty basic, Tru.
We both know where Coach Cal is going to go with the ball the next time we need our collective behinds pulled out of the fire.
by Sonic on Dec 17, 2009 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
And you know that the kids are looking at Paul how?
I mean, seriously, that assertion is unsupportable. I know that Paul is spectacular, but for my money, Rondo is the better overall team player. That’s why I consider him the gold standard right now.
I think Calipari’s chances of recruiting point guards are great, but shots on goal isn’t why. The reason is because he allows his guards to utilize their athleticism to penetrate a lot, and whether that results in a high-percentage shot or a pass to a high-percentage shot is essentially irrelevant — both things are what point guards want to do.
So again, I don’t get your point here. Sure, Wall is a great choice to take a high-percentage shot. Who would say otherwise?
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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 17, 2009 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Uh.....
And you know that the kids are looking at Paul how? I mean, seriously, that assertion is unsupportable.
Chris Paul is the #1 PG in the NBA.
Chris Paul makes over $13,000,000 per year.
And you are asking me how I know young PG prospects are looking at Chris Paul?
Wow.
by Sonic on Dec 17, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
That's all very fine.
But a several things occur to me here:
1. Paul doesn’t lead his team in shot attempts, he is third by a very long way.
2. Not every good point guard prospect models his game after Paul, maybe not even most, but I can no more prove that than you can prove the converse.
3. I have never disputed that Wall should not take good shots. My complaint comes when he tries to get his own shot at the expense of the team, a la the UConn game.
Point guards have to keep the team involved. Notice that Paul does that very well, and still only takes 11.4% of his team’s shots. He is simply very efficient, and gets to the line a lot. In his poor games, Wall takes some bad shots and fails to get to the line.
But Wall is getting better. Right now, Wall is taking about 24% of the team’s shots, which is a little high. Rose, for example, took 22%, and I would consider anyting between 18% and 24% okay — the 34% in the UConn game was way too high.
All those numbers may seem way high compared to Paul, but the NBA game is very different and, at least on New Orleans, a lot of players see significant time, and Paul is way more efficient than either Wall or Rose.
So if your point was to prove that Wall would shoot the same amount as Paul, I actually disagree — he would be shooting too little then. As to whether Wall should shoot more, I don’t think so — maybe a little less. But I do think he should get to the line more.
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Where are you getting this from?
1. Paul doesn’t lead his team in shot attempts, he is third by a very long way.
Field Goal Attempts: Paul = 14.3, David West = 14.2, Peja Stojakovic = 10.4
Notice that Paul does that very well, and still only takes 11.4% of his team’s shots
He takes 14 out of 83. That isn’t 11.4%
As to my point, it is really quite simple.
If the best player on my team is a center, then I do not mind when a center ends up taking the most shots.
If the best player on my team is a forward, then I do not mind when a forward ends up taking the most shots.
If the best player on my team is John Wall, then I do not mind when John Wall ends up taking the most shots.
Each year will vary.
I agree with you about getting to the line.
This is a fantastic breakdown of Wall’s game, from DraftExpress. It seems about as objective as we could hope to expect considering the subject matter. :-)
Let me know what you think.
by Sonic on Dec 17, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
I see what it was.
I didn’t notice Paul had been hurt, and missed some games. That explains why my number was off. He is averaging 14.3/83.5, West is averaging 14.2, and Stojackovic 10.4. So Paul is shoting 17% of the shots. That’s about right. I thought 11% was way low.
So okay, he takes the most shots on the team by a statistically insignificant amount.
As far as DraftExpress’s breakdown, it’s fine, so what?
The bottom line is, the point guard position is special. Normally, if you had a forward or an off guard who was your best player, you would want them taking most of the shots, or at least as many as anyone else. Not from the point guard spot.
The other thing is that Patterson is shooting 63%, and Wall 54%, and Cousins 53%. All three get about the same number of shots, but Patterson should be getting significantly more by reason of his higher percentage.
But one big reason Patterson’s percentage is so high is that Wall is getting him the ball in good spots, i.e., better spots than Wall can get himself into. So therefore, Wall is shooting on the high end of what he should be shooting on. As I said.
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It's nothing to take personal, Tru
As far as DraftExpress’s breakdown, it’s fine, so what?
I just thought you might like some of the “efficiency” stats that they keep there, like Ast/FGA, which appears in their ‘Shooting Ratios’ and ‘Passing Ratios’ sections.
No offense was intended, Tru, looking at Point Guard Assists/FGA is pretty interesting, at least as much as some of the other stack of graphs that you put up here, and I thought you might like it- both now and into the future. They have good stats there.
I just thought you might like making some graphs out of them.
by Sonic on Dec 17, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, they do.
I wasn’t taking it personally, I was just not getting what the point of the link was vis-a-vis our discussion. I’m not upset or anything, I just didn’t get it.
I have read their stuff and it is fine, although I think I mentioned that I’d like to see Wall at around 2 points/assist. Wall is averaging about 1.6 points/shot, so to get 16 points and 8 assists (which I consider close to ideal, he would have an A/FGA of around .8, which would put him right at about where Chris Kramer is.
Obviously, I’d be fine with 18 and 6 at current shooting percentages, but much more than that and I think the team suffers. Just under 1 assist/FGA works fine for me, because Wall gets so many transition baskets compared to the average point guard.
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That's not bad...
I will go for 22 and 8. With 14 shots. And 3 turnovers.
OK… now that you and I are close to finishing negotiations on Wall’s offensive stat line for this year, which one of us is going to call the kid up and tell him our results… I’m sure he can’t wait to hear from us… :-)
This is really just coming down to a classic “irresistible force” meeting the “unmovable object” thing. To you, point guard represents a “special position”, with different rules from the other positions. To me, John Wall represents a “special player” with different rules, regardless of his position.
Believe me, in the future- starting next year- you and I will probably be in near 100% agreement on all of this. But that is after we get back to having a point guard that is a little bit closer to “normal”. That just isn’t the case this year.
by Sonic on Dec 17, 2009 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
The hype over Wall annoys me.
It is the kind of thing that can distract and damage a team that can be very good. I am not going to participate.
As long as Wall takes no more than 22% of shots on average, and no less than 17%, I don’t care how many points he scores. As for assists, the more the better. :-)
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That's fine, Tru
.
I respect that. And understand your feelings.
But it goes back to “square peg in a round hole”, and trying to squeeze a mismatched fit.
If we did not want John Wall, the whole dancing enchilada, then we should not have recruited him.
What did we think we were getting?!
by Sonic on Dec 19, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
He should score.
My opinion is you have to have a mix of both. But getting the ball in scoring position is job 1. If that means an attack on the basket, and the point guard happens to have a great look, then by all means he should take the shot.
It’s all about decision making, and most of the time, the best decision is to set up your teammate and keep them involved in the game. Any good point guard will get opportunities, and sometimes, a lot of opportunities. Nobody should pass up a good, open look just to pass, unless he is passing into a better shot.
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Well ...
… my position is that a point guard’s job is first to get the ball to his teammates and second to score. Now, that doesn’t mean that Wall should pass up a legitimate scoring opportunity just to make a pass. Big diff.
Any point guard can have a big game and still be doing his job. Sometimes, the opportunities are just there, or he is the hot hand, or whatever. That’s how the game goes, and you can’t play the game by formula.
But point guards should always be about getting the ball into scoring position rather than taking over the game offensively. That doesn’t mean they won’t or can’t do that depending on the opportunities available, or if he is the hot player.
But there is no doubt a team usually runs more efficiently when the point guard does not score a ton. Usually. Not always.
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CBS loses March Madness?
Pay TV takes over. Beware!
I have had the hardest time in years trying to get UK sports. Justin.tv has saved my ass since football started. That site is suspect in the long term.
Complicated, yes. But worry. Money rules. Citizen beware
No matter where you're at, there you are
You hit it...
right on the head when you said “money rules”! If the Tourney expands, it will be for that reason only… And personally, I think the idea stinks! As it stands right now, there are 64 teams (65 with the play-in) that are placed in the brackets because they have earned the right to be there via their regular season resume or they have won their conference regular season/post season tourney. Another 63 teams means you are bringing average teams to The Dance. Teams that would have gone to the NIT are now in the Tourney, and it’s just not right…. For this reason, and 10 more that I’m sure eveyone else will chime in on.
Bad, bad, bad idea!
If your wings don't sweep....
My biggest concern ...
… is where does it stop? When all of D-1 plays in the tourney?
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That's just damn funny.
The bracket graphic was particularly hilarious. can you imagine what selection Sunday would look like?
Another idea for parody. Haha!
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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 17, 2009 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Justin.tv is the best
It makes me do the John Wall dance.
by from_left_to_right_on_your_radio_dial on Dec 17, 2009 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
Wyndham Frosh All-American
Taylor Wyndham UK DE has been named third team Freshman A-A — Tim Tebow probably voted for him.
"Learn(ing) without thinking begets ignorance. Think(ing) without learning is dangerous."
-Confucius
Oops, Forgot Link
"Learn(ing) without thinking begets ignorance. Think(ing) without learning is dangerous."
-Confucius
If nothing else...
His future around here is set after the hit on Tebow!! LOL
Subtle there WW… As I was typing the above I glanced at your post and “got it”. Well done!! LOL
If your wings don't sweep....
Awesome.
I never expected so much out of Wyndam, he is a big surprise to me.
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love the comment by Jon Davis' Dad...
they chose UK because the fans love the team win or lose….
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on Dec 16, 2009 10:27 PM EST reply actions
Tru - you missed the best link of all...
John Clay running an approval rating poll for Tipton – guess how the vote is going…
http://johnclay.bloginky.com/2009/12/16/media-approval-ratings-jerry-tipton/
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on Dec 16, 2009 10:37 PM EST reply actions
Thanks for posting that,
I had to go get my disapprove vote in. Wow is that vote one-sided.
I'm sorry ...
… I didn’t see that. Nice find.
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yeah, well.....
don’t let it happen again…. :)
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on Dec 17, 2009 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
:-P
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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 17, 2009 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
Crap. Anyone know of a good sports bar in Franklin, KY?
I’m traveling to visit an aunt in Franklin, KY this weekend (Nashville/Bowling Green area). The cable provider there is Comcast, so I thought I was in the clear from day 1 to watch this game.
Unfortunately, she has Dish Network and no ESPN Full Court package.
Where should I watch it?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
Maybe jog on over to Clarksville?
Find any fern bar there with it on? just a suggestion.
That's an option.
It would probably be closer just to head up to Bowling Green and hit up BW3s or something, though we’d prefer to stay in Franklin if possible.
We have gone to the Brickyard Cafe in the past, but they don’t open until 5 on Saturdays, and this will be a 3pm central tip-off.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
Well,
since you were the one that gave Strangeite the advice of "just pay her to go away" (meaning his brother and sister-in-law) the other day, might I suggest that you just buy your Aunt the ESPN Full Court Package? With Dish Network she can totally get it, she just has to pay for it, and if I’m not mistaken the upgrade happens instantaneously, so, even if you were to arrive at your Aunt’s at the last minute you could conceivably order the package mere minutes before tip-off and still be able to view the game.
Yeah, you’d be paying a rather large sum of money ($100+) for just one game, but you would certainly be spending a bit at the bar buying drinks (and perhaps dinner?) anyway, right? I wish you luck as I hate for anyone to miss the games and I really hope you get it figured out. : )
Haha. Busted.
Good work BSC. I thought about it, to be sure. We’re all big fans, of course, and my dad will be visiting as well, so we could all chip in $33.33.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
Expansion is OK with me...
…as long as they add only play-in games. They could have 16, 32, or 64 play-in games. I don’t think that would happen, however. Who is going to turn on their TV to watch Northern South Dakota Polyester University play Disco Tech?
NBA
NBA scouting is mystifying to me….pass on Jeff Shepard? Wayne Turner?, 2nd round pick for Meeks? You could say Meek’s performance bears that out, but with the other guy that team drafted, and the obvious mental bias for him as the better player, Meeks hasn’t got the minutes. Reminds me of playing pick up basketball with new people; they think anyone over 6 ft can’t handle the ball, and are slow and can’t shoot…after you have went around them a few times they might wake up.This kind of thinking plagues players from pee-wee league on, because they are damned before they ever touch the ball! If Dirk Knowitski had been US born, he would never have gotten a chance due to those perceptions. US born caucaision players have to beat that hurdle from elementary school on, it’s a shame that the same happened to Tayshaun Prince, who “couldn’t play”, (the sec player of the year can’t play?), but when finally given a chance, was shown to have an all-around game that competes at any level.
Flash...
Sheppard And Turner
Both had NBA opportunities but didn’t pan out.
The NBA talent and skill level is >>>>> Div I college basketball.
by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 17, 2009 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
NBA talent level?
NBA talent level is down significantly since the 90’s. That is why all-around players like Tayshaun do so well. The NBA lumps you into a catagory before you ever set foot on the court, and that is where you are at, and you may never get the chance to prove different. The one’s that survive long enough to develop their game inside the box they are in validate your statement , for sure, but perceptions, and bad coaching, cut many players before they have a chance to stick.Tayshaun Prince got lucky, and if Detroit had not been losing a play-off series has rookie year, and finally gave him a chance, he would not have caught on,because of unfounded perceptions about his game. A similar example, at UK, if they had not went on probations, the “unforgettables” would never have stepped on the court at UK. Or how about players like that ,that UK missed? Jeff Hall(he got the last laugh against UK in the 86’ tournament!), Joey Wells, Frank Lee, The Sisler twins, Jr. VanHoose, Chris Lofton, Mike Scott, etc.
Flash...
Regardless Shep, Turner, Lofton Didn't Have The Requisite Skills To Make NBA Long Term
Unforgettables at UK were Reggie Hanson, Sean Woods, Richie Farmer, Derrick Miller, Deron Feldhaus, and John Pelphrey.
All were rated in Top 50 to 100 range and highly recruited by other schools.
They would have played at UK no matter what. Maybe not as much, but they would have earned PT.
Mike Scott played at UK. He was in over his head.
by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 17, 2009 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
Mike Scott
He initially made the mistake of going to Wake Forrest,if he had went to UK to start, I think he would have done better.When he was at Greenup County H.S., Boyd County’s Joey Wells, and the Cantrell boy from Paul Blazer had their way with him, because even though he was a 7’ guy, he was very weak and skinny. GCHS did not win the sixteenth region until those guys graduated. He needed the conditioning program at UK, he could have been brought along like Rob Lock, who eventually was a solid player. The guy from Scott County that had the injury issues, was someone like him that could have been a player for us if he had just caught a break in life.
"Ignorance, I can fix, stupidity, well that's another matter!"-82nd Airborne NCO
Scott Played 3 Seasons At UK
http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/Statistics/Players/Scott_Mike.html Never did much at all.
Lock came in as HS A-A but only did well as Jr and Sr. He was non-factor as Fr or Soph.
by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 19, 2009 6:35 AM EST reply actions
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