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Kentucky Basketball: Ken Pomeroy's Analysis

Yesterday, Ken Pomeroy of Kenpom.com (not the same guy as our Ken Pomeroy here on A Sea of Blue) came out with his Pythagorean projections of records.  What this post will do is examine his projections (which, by the way, change as the season goes on to reflect improvement or regression of teams through their Pythagorean Winning Percentage.  We'll get to all that in a few minutes.

Pomeroy's projections are always pretty good, but they are far from flawless.  I don't track his performance over the years (you have to pay attention at the very beginning so you can compare the end) and I haven't done that, but I know historically they are pretty accurate taken as a whole.

Fortunately for the Kentucky Wildcats this year, they are very young, which makes them look worse early as the freshmen learn the college game.  As this Wildcat team learns to play good defense, learns the Calipari system, and gets to better understand their roles on the team and how to best maximize their strengths and minimize their weakness, we can expect these stats to have a greater than normal margin for error. 

Pomeroy really doesn't factor youth in to his equation (because there is just no real way to do so other than an arbitrary bugger factor), but it really makes a difference when you are talking about a group as talented as the Wildcats are.  In fact, there has arguably been no group in college basketball this young and this talented since the Fab Five, and that means that Pomeroy's system has never come up against a scenario this potentially volatile.  But let's leave that for now, and look at his projections.

Follow me over the jump.

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First, let's examine a reproduction of Ken's projections as of now. I have highlighted the losses for easier reading:

2010 Schedule
(Game Plan)
Date Opponent Result Prob. Location Record Conf
Fri Nov 13 (261) Morehead St. W, 75-59 73 Home 1-0
Mon Nov 16 (174) Miami OH W, 72-70 63 Home 2-0
Thu Nov 19 (173) Sam Houston St. W, 102-92 83 Home 3-0
Sat Nov 21 (211) Rider W, 92-63 76 Home 4-0
Tue Nov 24 (212) Cleveland St. W, 73-49 70 Neutral 5-0
Wed Nov 25 (114) Stanford W, 73-65 65 OT Neutral 6-0
Mon Nov 30 (334) NC Asheville W, 94-57 70 Semi-Home 7-0
Sat Dec 5 (44) North Carolina W, 68-66 74 Home 8-0
Wed Dec 9 (33) Connecticut W, 64-61 69 Neutral 9-0
Sat Dec 12 (158) Indiana W, 90-73 68 Away 10-0
Sat Dec 19 (202) Austin Peay W, 80-61 68 96% Home
Mon Dec 21 (145) Drexel W, 65-52 65 92% Home
Wed Dec 23 (95) Long Beach St. W, 82-71 72 84% Home
Tue Dec 29 (259) Hartford W, 81-57 64 98% Home
Sat Jan 2 (105) Louisville W, 79-67 71 87% Home
Sat Jan 9 (189) Georgia W, 77-59 66 95% Home
Tue Jan 12 (34) Florida L, 70-66 68 30% Away
Sat Jan 16 (132) Auburn W, 74-68 72 73% Away
Sat Jan 23 (232) Arkansas W, 88-64 70 97% Home
Tue Jan 26 (92) South Carolina W, 77-75 75 58% Away
Sat Jan 30 (63) Vanderbilt W, 79-72 71 76% Home
Tue Feb 2 (25) Mississippi W, 75-74 72 54% Home
Sat Feb 6 (113) Louisiana St. W, 67-63 63 67% Away
Tue Feb 9 (80) Alabama W, 74-66 66 80% Home
Sat Feb 13 (9) Tennessee L, 77-72 71 34% Home
Tue Feb 16 (14) Mississippi St. L, 78-68 69 16% Away
Sat Feb 20 (63) Vanderbilt L, 76-75 71 46% Away
Thu Feb 25 (92) South Carolina W, 82-71 75 84% Home
Sat Feb 27 (9) Tennessee L, 81-68 71 12% Away
Wed Mar 3 (189) Georgia W, 73-63 66 84% Away
Sun Mar 7 (34) Florida W, 69-67 68 61% Home

Projected record: 24-7 10-6

Chance of unbeaten record: 0.00% 0.00%

Chance of winless record: 0.00%
Projected record is based on cumulative probabilities of
winning each game and may not equal the individual game predictions.
Home games played at Rupp Arena (23,000, 2nd largest in D-I)
Games against opponents yet to be determined are not included in the upcoming schedule.

Trust me, I can feel the gnashing of teeth out there right now.  "Whad'ya mean we're gonna lose seven games!  This guy is clueless!  Tennessee is going to beat us twice, and we only have a 30% chance of taking down the Florida Gators in Gainesville?  What a crock!"

Relax, it isn't a crock.  The data at this point is relatively sparse, and a couple of games can make a huge change.  This is typical of how these calculations look early in the season, so just chill and please don't beat on Ken Pomeroy for his effrontery -- this is a calculation that gets better as time goes on, and these numbers will change, most likely for the better (well, I certainly hope so, anyway!).

To explain why this looks the way it does, keep in mind that Pomeroy's system currently ranks the Wildcats at #41.  Now, nobody believes that UK is only the 41st best team in the country right now -- all you have to do is have a look at the polls.  Statistical systems cannot measure everything, and one thing that cannot be accounted for in any way is potential, which human systems can account for.  Also realize that the more data statistical systems accumulate, the more accurate they are.  Right now, only about 33% of the games have been played, so keep in mind that the data at this point is really sparse.

Why are the 'Cats so low right now?  Take a look at this graph, brought to you by the magic of Google Fusion (note - clicking on the bar will bring up the value):

 

What I have done here is taken the top twenty teams from kenpom.com, including their offensive and defensive efficiencies and their strength of schedule, and appended Kentucky's numbers onto the end of that group.  To make SOS graph better, I have multiplied it by 100, but relatively speaking, it is still the same thing.

So how does UK grade out?  The fundamental basis for Ken Pomeroy's analysis, in the end, is the difference between offensive efficiency and defensive efficiency.  Remember that for DE, lower is better, and it is represented by the red line, while OE is the blue line.  The orange line is the difference between the two.

You may not quite be able to see it, but UK's DE is the worst of this lot, which is why they are not a top 25 team.  The OE is competitive, but it also toward the low end of the teams in this list.

The orange line tells the tale.  The margin between UK's OE and DE is much lower than the top clubs, hence our relative position in Pomeroy's system.  To be honest, our OE is good enough for a top 20 team, no question -- even a top 10.  But the DE is a big problem.  Currently, UK is ranked 65th in defensive efficiency.  That's not a good number at all.

The green line represents strength of schedule, with larger being better.  You will note that UK's SOS is better than the Kansas Jayhawks or Syracuse Orange, but is much weaker than the Texas Longhorns or Duke Blue Devils.  To make things worse, UK has not been able to defeat these weak opponents by a wide margin, hence our current place in Pomeroy's hierarchy.

There is no doubt whatever that Kentucky will move up this list fairly rapidly, particularly by the time we get to conference play, and as teams like Kansas, Missouri and Memphis start to play tougher squads.  Kentucky has only one more daunting game in the non-conference season, the annual tilt with the Louisville Cardinals.  If the 'Cats can start playing better defense and blowing out opponents, you will see them move up the Pomeroy rankings fairly quickly.

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Teeth gnashing...

yup, my teeth gnashed.

For my part, let me say that I believe that this team has a reasonable shot (as reasonable as any shot can be) of going undefeated. I wouldn’t have said that before the Indiana game, but what UK showed me that day is that they are gelling rapidly, and that their arsenal of weapons is every bit as dazzling as the ’96 team.

And what’s this about Wall carrying a 3.8 gpa? Could it be that he takes school more seriously than a one-and-done does? ***grin***

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by SD_UK_FAN on Dec 15, 2009 10:06 AM EST reply actions  

Football Outsiders (among others) have a hybrid rating system, combining stats and pre-season predictions. As the season progresses, this hybrid rating is weighted more toward in-season results, less toward pre-season. By the halfway point of the season, the ratings are pretty much purely based on the stats.

I asked KP about this last week, and I believe he has something similar in the works for his KenPom ratings. Obviously not for this season, but for the future.

By tournament time, his ratings are usually pretty darn good predictors.

by Mahatma on Dec 15, 2009 10:32 AM EST reply actions  

Yes.

That’s right. Actually, they are pretty darn good well before then, usually about 66% of the way through the season.

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by Glenn Logan on Dec 15, 2009 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I learned something

That kenpom.com’s Ken Pomeroy is not the same person that posts here.

Honestly, I’ve been posting here for over two years, and I had NO idea.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on Dec 15, 2009 10:39 AM EST reply actions  

Made even more confusing by the fact

that the Ken Pomeroy that posts here seems to quote a lot of stats.

Speaking of, where’s 40 been???

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on Dec 15, 2009 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Ha. Undestandable.

Just making sure you were still around.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on Dec 15, 2009 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I've never really

understood why someone would use the name of an actual person as their username on anonymous blogs, but, to each their own, I guess. I suppose it’s so that they would be thought of in the same vein as the person they are impersonating, and in this case it clearly worked as you were fooled.

I’m actually very glad Tru finally said something as I’m sure a lot of people didn’t know. : )

by BigSkyCat on Dec 15, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

He goes by Seth Davis on the Duke blogs.......

First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...

by btcoop71 on Dec 15, 2009 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Heh.

Well, I have mentioned many times that he is not the kenpom.com Ken Pomeroy.

You must’ve missed it. :-)

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by Glenn Logan on Dec 15, 2009 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I've heard it mentioned several times.

It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Dec 15, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, that is very true.

But, it’s kind of like when you have little kids; you always have to keep repeating yourself. Either they didn’t hear it the first time or in the case of the blog, your newer members weren’t around back then and didn’t have the opportunity to hear you. : )

by BigSkyCat on Dec 15, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you comparing me to a young child?

I always listen to Tru.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on Dec 15, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

No!

No, of course not!

I really was trying to help by explaining that sometimes things that get posted go unnoticed and that they bear repeating because it’s rather innocent (as in the innocence of a child) that they were missed the first time. But, apparently I messed it all up, didn’t I? Oh, dear. So sorry…. : )

by BigSkyCat on Dec 15, 2009 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I was kidding. No worries.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on Dec 16, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Me either-

Thanks for clearing that up Tru…

"You are what you are and you ain't what you ain't"

by iam4ukintn on Dec 15, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, my teeth now hurt

Tennessee projected to beat UK twice? And hand us our only home loss? We shall see. :-) If memory serves me correctly, BigSkyCat posted the UT/UK game at Rupp was a ESPN/GameDay feature. It will be a fun game.

A very good job of explaining the Kenpom rankings Tru. One question……What factors determine the SOS? I see that St Mary’s SOS is the same as Duke, and UCLA is showing the strongest. Is it someone’s prediction of the ‘stronger’ teams or is there actually a way to figure that?

Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on Dec 15, 2009 10:46 AM EST reply actions  

I'd love to...

plug the pythag into the flash widget somewhere. That way we could peel off the first three games and see how things shake out.

That’s the biggest thing right now. Our stats in those 3 games were horrid….but right now that represents 30% of our games played. As we move forward those games will have less weight…even less because KenPom starts to weight the most recent games heavier later in the season.

by sylvar on Dec 15, 2009 10:48 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah.

We could probably create a close approximation. It is based on the baseball formula.

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by Glenn Logan on Dec 15, 2009 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

The hard part is...

that we only have the raw OE and DE for each game. KenPom uses the Adjusted score in his calculation. I could mock something up using the Raw scores just to see what it looks like.

by sylvar on Dec 15, 2009 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, that's right.

We can’t really compare the differences directly, but we can get extremely close.

For example, if you exclude the first three, you would wind up with a phythag (unadjusted) of .94167, which would put us in the lower end of the top 20. As it turns out, for UK the adjustments between OE and DE are virtually identical within 3 decimal places, so your pythag would not change, because the adjustments are in the same direction and the pythag is just a ratio.

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by Glenn Logan on Dec 15, 2009 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

The thing I dislike about KP's adjusted ratings is that there's no indication of how the adjustment is made

That’s understandable since he needs to protect the work he’s done from being copied, but I’m inherently suspicious of any mathematical black box such as this.

3 > 2, except for very large values of 2.

by JLeverenz on Dec 15, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually ...

… he does explain how he adjusts the ratings.

Any time you see something "adjusted" on this site, it refers to how a team would perform against average competition at a neutral site. For instance, a team’s offensive efficiency (points scored per 100 possessions) is adjusted for the strength of the opposing defenses played. I compute an adjusted offensive efficiency for each game by multiplying the team’s raw offensive efficiency by the national average efficiency and dividing by the opponent’s adjusted defensive efficiency. The adjusted game efficiencies are then averaged (with more weighting to recent games) to produce the final adjusted offensive efficiency.

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by Glenn Logan on Dec 15, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course ...

… he doesn’t explain how much he weights them, but in point of fact, the adjustments are pretty small. I’m not even totally convinced there isn’t an easier way to do it based on his strength of schedule calculation that would be close enough for government work.

It’s actually pretty easy just to ratio the raw and adjusted efficiencies to get really close.

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by Glenn Logan on Dec 15, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

That's new then

Up until at least last year there was no mention of how the adjustment was made.

3 > 2, except for very large values of 2.

by JLeverenz on Dec 15, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

One more question....

If we are projected 10-6 in the conference and 5 games are highlighted, does the other come in the SEC tourney?

If this is the case, then, according to this chart, we will lose 5 regular season games and one SEC tourney game and one (but…but) NCAA tourney game. If….I am reading this awful, awful projection correctly….LOL :-)

Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on Dec 15, 2009 11:06 AM EST reply actions  

Read the disclaimer.

The game losses don’t always equal the total losses. You can consider the other two losses upsets where the formula currently projects a victory.

The difference occurs from the accumulation of factors over time.

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by Glenn Logan on Dec 15, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Texas and UK

Are the two top teams in the land. Kansas has experience, but UK has much more talent and I think Texas will beat Kansas heads up. We probably won’t lose until early 2011.

by daniel81 on Dec 15, 2009 11:11 AM EST reply actions  

Mississippi State, Tennessee, and Florida-

Might beat us once apiece, in my opinion… But, that’s about it…

"You are what you are and you ain't what you ain't"

by iam4ukintn on Dec 15, 2009 11:24 AM EST reply actions  

I wont argue, I wont gripe, I wont complain, but this team is

NOT going to lose 7 games, we will NOT lose 2 times to UT, and we will NOT end the year with less than 30 wins……..I wont predict undefeated, but if we lose more than 4 games I will be amazed.

And I have said it all year, so I will say it now…….we take it all in Indy…….
By March, Calipari is going to have to invest in harnesses for these guys to control them. I know the number cannot figure intangibles and such, but John Wall is determined NOT to get beat……I can see it in his eyes……call me foolish or whatever…..but they are winners…..

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Dec 15, 2009 11:26 AM EST reply actions  

You gotta remember...

That’s based on how we have played all season….factor out the first couple games and its a little different story I think.

by sylvar on Dec 15, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

A little.

0.9416730 puts us at about … #20, in place of Georgetown, if we ignore the first three games.

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by Glenn Logan on Dec 15, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Tweaking it a bit closer ...

The value is 0.9383139, which would put us at #22.

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by Glenn Logan on Dec 15, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Geek Alert!!!

I’m getting .92975….I’m using the avg of the Raw scores with an exponent of 11.5. What are you using ?

by sylvar on Dec 15, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm using ...

… OE and DE like Kenpom does. I use 11.5 as an exponent.

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by Glenn Logan on Dec 15, 2009 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

You have to use efficiencies ...

… or tempo creeps into your calculation. :-)

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by Glenn Logan on Dec 15, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I am...

by scores I meant OE and DE scores….

OE ^11.5/(OE ^11.5 + DE ^11.5) Is that right?

One interesting point. I just ran the same calculation for Tenn and factored out the first 3 cupcakes they played…. .859642 Looks like their defense stinks.

by sylvar on Dec 15, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Yep.

Keep in mind, I skipped the first three games.

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by Glenn Logan on Dec 15, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Ahhh.

I was using the OE and DE Avgs from the widget….which of course does not yet include the Indiana numbers.

by sylvar on Dec 15, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

And...

Florida is only .84447 if you factor out their first three lambs.

by sylvar on Dec 15, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Heh.

Florida will probably be in the high .80’s by year end, at least that’s my guess.

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by Glenn Logan on Dec 15, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, I don't know about anyone else,

but that discussion was like listening to two bees buzzing about the flavor of nectar. You guys are massive numbers geeks.

by wklawdog on Dec 15, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, wk, there is a reason that some of us are lawyers.

Here, a litigator specifically, and not by accident. Numbers have always been rather unappealing to my eyes, unless they have dollar signs in front of them.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on Dec 15, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Stand clear, folks.

We’ve got two lawyers discussing money. This could get bloody.

BTW, did you hear the one about . . . :-))

No moral victories--it's all about Ws and Ls!!!

by oldcat'69 on Dec 15, 2009 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

FWIW ....

I expect we will lose between 3-5 in the regular season. Probably closer to three.

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by Glenn Logan on Dec 15, 2009 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I concur.....

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Dec 15, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't see us losing to Florida or Vandy this year

I can see us losing three or four conference games; maybe one against Tennessee, LSU and Mississippi State although I’d really like to put it to Jarvis Varnado just for once. There might be one other bad night on the road in there. I’m also a little worried about Louisville. The way things are going for them right now, beating us could be the one thing that salvages their year.

by chicagoblues on Dec 15, 2009 11:47 AM EST reply actions  

Florida just depends on their 3 point shooting.

If we don’t stop them they could take us down. A loss to LSU doesn’t seem likely. They are way down this year. Tenn. should beat us at least once. We should match up inside with Miss. St. much better this year.

by Grasslands1 on Dec 15, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Dont get me wrong, there are some good SEC teams out there, but honestly

who REALLY stacks up to us???…..MAYBE UT…..and that is a big maybe…..MSU still doesnt have the services of their talented freshman, and Florida has played well, but they have more holes in their bench than you can stand and pour water through….2 losses at most…..

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Dec 15, 2009 11:58 AM EST reply actions  

I can see splits against UF and UT

And then the yearly random loss to a team they should beat……..I’ll go with 3 SEC losses……so 3 total.

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Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...

by btcoop71 on Dec 15, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

No one stacks up to us, but....

They’re kids and no matter how good they may be, sometimes even the best teams don’t bring it, particularly on the road. The SEC has some decent talent this year and the level of our coaches is getting better too. Its hard for a nineteen or twenty year old to make it happen every night. It would be great to only drop two or three conference games, but that’s asking a lot.

by chicagoblues on Dec 15, 2009 12:06 PM EST reply actions  

i saw this over the weekend...

and thought about posting it. i figured i was not seasoned enough to post anything showing us with 7 losses….:)

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on Dec 15, 2009 12:06 PM EST reply actions  

I would question...

whether the case with our weaker opponents is that we “Couldn’t” run up the score or we “didn’t” run up the score. Everybody knows that isn’t Cal’s thing. Also, the games where we did run up the score, we had the second string in really early as if we were not really trying to run up the score.

GO BIG BLUE!!

by bluebloodtoo on Dec 15, 2009 12:44 PM EST reply actions  

My recollection is ...

… we were unable to, because they shot lights out from the perimeter. :-)

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by Glenn Logan on Dec 15, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe..

But there were a couple teams we should have beaten by at least 20 that we eeked out the win… It clearly wasn’t a case of “Didn’t”, just poor execution. Hopefully those days are past.

by sylvar on Dec 15, 2009 12:47 PM EST reply actions  

One thing I've noticed about this team..

They know how to win.. I realize how easy that is to say, but me and my dad were discussing it, and they really do. They might play in a fog for a while, but when it comes down to it, they know how to win. A lot can be said about John Wall, but we’ve got so many other weapons as well. This team, more than any other I can remember, just gets it. They rely on talent too much, but I think that is because they know, it will take a perfect game for someone to beat them, and UK would still have to have an off night.

by JRod1229 on Dec 15, 2009 1:19 PM EST reply actions  

Great Stuff, But

I’m waiting for leaked emails from kenpom showing that the statistics were ‘tricked up" to hide the real meaning of the numbers and all to satisfy the anti-UK bias that every rational person knows has reached a religious fervor. I’m proud to be a loyal member of the 7-loss deniers

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by Wild Weasel on Dec 15, 2009 1:21 PM EST reply actions  

Dentists around the country ...

… are thanking me for this article. :-)

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by Glenn Logan on Dec 15, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

More free advertizing..

Rival.com has updated their power rankings. They have Wall number 1 for PG’s, Patterson #2 for PF. They rank freshmen, and Wall #1, Cousins#2, and Bledsoe#21. It’s only going to get better. Every time I look at Yahoo sports, UK basketball is a topic on their home page. That’s free recruiting if you ask me.

by UK1972 on Dec 15, 2009 1:39 PM EST reply actions  

Definitely helpful.

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by Glenn Logan on Dec 15, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

This is a crock

I am in no way saying they are going undefeated, but there is no way this team loses 3 in a row I don’t care how bad the stretch is and to be frank Mississippi St is not panning out to be very good right now and I think Patterson alone will feel the need to get revenge on Vandy. I think we sweep Florida, split with Tennessee, and possibly lose 2 other Away games in the SEC (just because of the refs), giving us 3 losses at most going into the SEC tournament.

by WCATFAN666 on Dec 15, 2009 1:41 PM EST reply actions  

Agreed...

Miss St. has played schools I’ve never even heard of (Bethune Cookman?!?) and he only name they have beaten is an awful (2-6) UCLA team.

by sylvar on Dec 15, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah.

No way we’ll lose three in a row like that unless somebody gets hurt.

I figure we drop between 3-5 games.

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by Glenn Logan on Dec 15, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

My favorite thing

. . . is that Long Beach State supposedly has a better chance of beating us than Louisville. Oh, Ricky, how the mighty have fallen. . .

It's time. . .

by NYCCats on Dec 15, 2009 2:00 PM EST reply actions  

Heh.

Well, that’s just as deceiving. :-)

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by Glenn Logan on Dec 15, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure

But if I can’t misuse the statistics out of context, what are they good for? ;-)

It's time. . .

by NYCCats on Dec 15, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah, good point. :-)

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by Glenn Logan on Dec 15, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank goodness they play the games

on the court and not in some geeks computer.

by kywineman on Dec 15, 2009 2:10 PM EST reply actions  

Let's give the geeks a break.

Otherwise, you wouldn’t be able to waste your time here. :-)

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by Glenn Logan on Dec 15, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

waste of time?

I’ve gathered more info here than all the other UK sites combined, thank you very much. Tru, you are too humble! IMO. LOL.

by UK1972 on Dec 15, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks.

We try to give you your money’s worth when you’re on the World Wide Waste of Time. :-)

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by Glenn Logan on Dec 15, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I like that the individual player ratings are out

There’s all kinds of juicy tidbits there.

For instance: Cousins is the 3rd best offensive rebounder in the nation right now, grabbing 21.6% of UK’s misses when he is on the floor, he’s also the 48th best defensive rebounder. Patterson is 63rd and 420th in each category.

On the minus side, Cousins is using too many possessions and Patterson isn’t getting enough. Cousins leads the team with using 35.6% of the possessions when is on the floor (3rd highest in the country) and Patterson is only using 19.6%. That needs to balance out.

3 > 2, except for very large values of 2.

by JLeverenz on Dec 15, 2009 2:54 PM EST reply actions  

Um,

where are you seeing the individual player ratings? Is it in Tru’s above piece and I just missed it?

I’m admittedly really out of my normal range of things when it comes to completely understanding stats posts like this, but I’m still very interested and would love to take a look at the individual player ratings. : )

by BigSkyCat on Dec 15, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

So true

When Cousins gets the ball down low it never goes back out. That is a huge thing for us to work on in my opinion. IF he was shooting the percentage the PPat is it wouldn’t matter. A large number of the Off. Rebounds are his own misses. You already see teams starting to triple team him when he gets it cause they know he is going to shoot instead of pass to the open man.

by sylvar on Dec 16, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Bracketology

Joe Lunardi says UK, KU, UTA & ’Cuse are #1. Possible match with Memphis in second round for Cats. 6 SEC teams. No Cards.

"Learn(ing) without thinking begets ignorance. Think(ing) without learning is dangerous."
-Confucius

by Wild Weasel on Dec 15, 2009 3:14 PM EST reply actions  

Cards

I wouldn’t discount them yet. Remember, they lost three OOC last year, including a 14 point drubbing by WKU. The OOC teams they’ve lost to this season are a little worse than last season, but still. Slow starts have become Louisville’s mantra. I’d wait until after we play them to be overconfident that this is a down year for them. WKU on Saturday will be a good test, too.

They did go ballistic last season in Big East play to get the #1 overall seed.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on Dec 15, 2009 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

I wouldn’t discount the Cards quite yet, but if you want a chuckle, go check out A Sea of Blue’s evil twin the Card Chronicle.

It really is funny.

by Strangeite on Dec 15, 2009 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah.

Cards fans are all up in arms, and calling for Pitino’s head. The same as just about every year. They are really fickle.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on Dec 16, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Rupp Home Of Top 5 BB Crowds

UNC game largest attendance of season in NCAA. Sure could use a venue with more capacity.

"Learn(ing) without thinking begets ignorance. Think(ing) without learning is dangerous."
-Confucius

by Wild Weasel on Dec 15, 2009 3:43 PM EST reply actions  

Heh.

We could probably sell out the Carrier Dome fairly consistently. if only we could move it to Lexington. :-)

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Dec 15, 2009 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

15-0 And 14-2 = 29-2

That would be my guess at this point.

I originally predicted 13-2 and 14-2 = 27-4.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 15, 2009 4:57 PM EST reply actions  

29-2

Sounds good to me… :P

"You are what you are and you ain't what you ain't"

by iam4ukintn on Dec 15, 2009 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not the numbers

person that some of you seem to be! I’m glad that we still lace them up and settle on the court. It’s hard to go undefeated. But untill we are beaten, I’ll go for winning them ALL!

Happy Days are here again The sky is all ways BLUE again Happy days are here again !

by oldcat70 on Dec 15, 2009 7:03 PM EST reply actions  

Ky everywhere

SI has good story on Chuck Hayes….
Great comments on Coach Cal/Wall on PTI
Ky on Sports Center last night-good team comments/Wall Sec awards

I start the season undefeated. My predicition this time of year 30-0. This year it might be a true one.

by CAWebb on Dec 15, 2009 7:19 PM EST reply actions  

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