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Overlooking Eastern -- Can UK Win Two More SEC Games?

I'm going to do something here, for the sake of discussion, that the team cannot afford to do -- assume a win versus Eastern Kentucky.  If that assumption is wrong, the rest of this discussion is still relevant, and would become urgent.  So let's do the uncharacteristic, just for the sake of conversation.

The quick answer to my lede is, "No."  No because UK has to play perennial powerhouse Georgia on the road.  No because Tennessee looks like it is rising, having played Alabama and Florida tough, beaten Georgia and South Carolina.  No because Vanderbilt may be finding answers to season-long questions.  No because, well, UK fans are all down in the mouth about the lousy, confusing performance against Mississippi State that took away any momentum that may have been building up in the program to that point.  No, because UK is...well, UK.

But I refuse to accept that.  This team has, as is usual this time of year, been riddled with damaging injuries including its only All-American candidate, Trevard Lindley, who has been out for a month.  The starting QB, Mike Hartline is down and most likely out for the year, being replaced by true freshman Morgan NewtonDerrick Locke is likely out this week, and Micah Johnson is far from 100% and may also sit.  Offensive lineman Jake Lanefsky is lost for the season.  Kentucky is banged up big time.

In spite of all that, this team has shown a lot of potential this season, and the biggest problem has been continuity from game to game.  Part of that has to do with the quarterback situation, but Lindley's absence has also been a big factor, especially when it comes to confidence in the defensive secondary.  But despite all that, the Wildcats have not been out of any games this year except Florida, and have proven that they can play very clean and efficient football.  That portends well for the rest of the season.

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Kentucky must go down to Nashville to face Vanderbilt, and whether they go at 5-4 or 4-5, Vanderbilt looks to be a must-win. Vanderbilt has been vulnerable this year, and this weekend they have to go down to the Swamp to face Florida.  Like Kentucky, Vanderbilt is getting banged up, as they have not had a bye week since the very first week of the season, and won't get one until the season is over.  That's even uglier than UK's situation, which had the bye after its very first game.

Georgia is vulnerable.  T. Kyle King of Dawg Sports explains, in numerous posts (all of which you should read, because he is one of the most knowledgeable football fans in the SEC) why the Dawgs have struggled so this season.  In my opinion, Georiga and Auburn are virtually two sides of a coin with no tails on it -- they are the same (forgive me, Kyle, I am aware of your Auburn loathing).  If UK can defeat Auburn on the Plains, they most certainly can do the same to Georgia between the hedges.  It will be difficult, and require Phillips, Brown and Brooks to call a proper game (unlike the recent abortion vs. MSU), but Georgia is a game that we can, and arguably should, find a way to win.

Finally, Tennessee.  Tennessee has had some good defensive games and is near the top of the league in defense, but they are only middle of the pack in offense.  Now, if UK is going to let Montario Hardesty run amok on us like Antonio Dixon did, then we have no reason for optimism.  But if Lindley and Johnson are back at or near 100% for that game, and we are other wise reasonably healthy, we have a shot at the Vols.  Tennessee is very inconsistent this year, and is fully capable of throwing in a clunker.  UK is also capable (although we have yet to see it at home) of playing really good football.  I don't think this game is any less winnable than at Georgia.

So could UK win out?  Well, yeah, I guess so, but I think beating UGA and UT back-to-back, even if Kentucky somehow manages to remain healthy, seems like a long shot.  But I don't think beating Vanderbilt and one other SEC foe left on our schedule is all that improbable.

So I suggest we stop nay-saying, and get behind this football team.  They deserve it, and they desperately want to earn the trust and respect of UK fans.  A big part of that requires the fans to let go of the past and embracing a new way of thinking -- we demand the team have a winning attitude, yet too many UK fans refuse to have one as though it makes some kind of sense to demand an attitude of the team they are unwilling to embrace themselves.  We ask these young men to put themselves out there on the line every weekend.  Shouldn't we at least be willing to risk disappointment by staying positive?

Think of it this way -- unlike the players, at least you don't have to worry about getting your eye gouged out, and that should be worth something.

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in sometimes having a great season and just a good season for UK is injuries. If we have all of our starters healthy, then we are a good football team who can win games even on the road at times in the SEC. The problem is when we have injuries we are backing up our best people with players that not ready for the SEC. They may get there in a couple of years, but they are young and not the same type of athlete that other SEC powerhouses are using for backups. So, in effect, injuries to our team starters are much more destructive than they would be to Florida, Alabama or even Georgia and Tennessee.

I really think if Hartline did not go down, we find a way to beat both SC and MSU. I think his progression at this point would have been the difference. But, we have who we have and we must find a way to win these last games. I look to see a focused Wildcat bunch this weekend who will not take EKU for granted. A solid win will go a long way toward setting up the improbable finish that we all hope for.

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by hoopchi on Nov 4, 2009 7:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

good read Tru

I think that pretty much sums up everything……Lets hope they pull it off…

by Bluehound on Nov 4, 2009 7:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Tru, this is the best post I have read concerning our football team......

It is way past time to get behind our football ’Cats, IMO. They are only young kids that are trying to win as many football games as they can. :-)

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by a2d2 on Nov 4, 2009 7:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Well Tru.....I gotta hand it to you, this is a very positive outlook for the Cats

you have my congratulations.You have been telling us all season that we have to be patient and understanding of the Cats, and that this thing cannot be done overnight, and that we need to be respectful of the job that Coach Brooks has done in getting us to this point. And for the most part, a few small items not withstanding I agree. You have John Clay backing you up, and you make a good sale to the members here at ASOB. Then you come in and list all of this:

The quick answer to my lede is, “No.” No because UK has to play perennial powerhouse Georgia on the road. No because Tennessee looks like it is rising, having played Alabama and Florida tough, beaten Georgia and South Carolina. No because Vanderbilt may be finding answers to season-long questions. No because, well, UK fans are all down in the mouth about the lousy, confusing performance against Mississippi State that took away any momentum that may have been building up in the program to that point. No, because UK is…well, UK.

Now I realize that at first glance you are doing a comparison in the 2 schools of thought concerning the rest of the season. But then after putting my brain to it I realized that this is no different than the last few seasons. Each year we have come down to a “make or break” game with someone who holds our destiny in their hands. I have no problem overlooking Eastern for one reason only. Brooks & Co. always beat these lower tier teams now. And that is good, because they didnt always do that. But the truth of the matter is that this team is 3 lousy scoring drives from being 6-2 and looking into January at this point. 3 scoring drives…..gee….let’s see…….how many times did we not use Randall Cobb inside the 20 when we were trying to score???

You make a really good analysis of UT and Georgia. Only one little thing. Georgia isnt going to fold to us, because we won’t give them a reason to. We do not scare OR confuse anyone at this point. We are a one-dimensional team who’s one dimension is hurting like hell. We have a great running back who is hurting, and now, even more than before we are going to turn into the University of Randall Cobb (except when we really should be, then we will use him as a decoy, hah).

UT is going to beat, bang, bump, hammer, hit,block, kick, scratch, gouge, or any other thing they can get away with to Randall Cobb. He wont see a minute’s daylight unless someone makes a mistake. Monte Kiffin knoes how to beat one-dimensional teams. He wont slip up. Hopefully Locke is better by then, but the reason we have Locke and not some other schools is just what you brought up in the game thread the other night. He’s just not that durable.

We are 3 losses away from this team squandering all of that potential you talk about. I hipe you are right, because I want to be good…..I dont want to be a naysayer…..I want to be excited about my Cats and their football program…..so for the love of Pete will you get them to stop giving me so many reasons not to??

(Disclaimer: All opinions expressed therein are solely those of the writer and do not represent in any way the views of ASOB or it’sownership.)

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by ALLBLUCAT on Nov 4, 2009 8:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

So you're giving up? Succumbing to the past, the negativism?

Oh, wait, you are just doing it because Brooks & Co. are still here.

To quote Rod Tidwell from Jerry McGuire: “That’s a reason. It ain’t sexy, but that’s a reason. Tell him what he’s won, Bob …”

:-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Nov 4, 2009 9:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and I got another quote from Jerry McGuire for ya......

“show me the money”………

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by ALLBLUCAT on Nov 4, 2009 9:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Do you remember how that happened?

How Jerry “showed him the money?” It wasn’t with impatience and caterwauling and changing agents. It was by sticking with it, doing the right thing, and believing in each other.

There’s a lesson there, I think … :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Nov 5, 2009 7:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I remember how Jerry did it.....as soon as Tipton performed the way

he was supposed to(by NFL standards) he got paid….that and constant hounding of his dear friend Jerry……..and yes, ol Jerry McGuire had to do a lot of soul searching and reprioritizing his life, and then he found happiness……but then again, that was his personal life that brought him success in his business life…..so where should we start here???

One would love to think this can all be fixed by everyone sitting down and rediscovering what life is all about, and if you think that will help the Cats, then by all means shoot Rich an e-mail…..I am out of answers…..maybe that is the only thing they havent tried…..

And NO Grasslands….I have not yet drifted into the Dark Side…..but it aint because they’re not trying to push me in that direction. And don’t tell me I havent been patient, I have been following the football team almost as long as I have been following the basketball team.

Everyone talks about how rabid we are as basketball fans, and we are…..and that has either helped push or demanded or willed the basketball team to 3 National Champs since I have been following the Cats, with close runs at at least 2-3 more. In that time the Football Cats have won I believe 4 bowl games, none of which represented more than a respectable season. So yeah, I am teetering on the brink……

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by ALLBLUCAT on Nov 5, 2009 7:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I can't wait

for Joker to become head coach. Then we will get a new offensive coordinator. I hope!

by kywineman on Nov 4, 2009 11:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Déjà Vu

Let’s see, we have a coach (Mark Richt) who’s said to be the “nicest human being on the planet” but still criticized as being too nice a guy to win and too loyal to make necessary staff changes.; a coach who’s record contains a few high points, elevated overall winning percentage but still falls short of expectations especially of late. Wait, haven’t I heard this before? Oh yeah, different sport, different program. But I wonder if the end game might not be the same.

"Learn(ing) without thinking begets ignorance. Think(ing) without learning is dangerous."
-Confucius

by Wild Weasel on Nov 5, 2009 8:07 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Oh Captain My Captain

My wife accuses me of being too analytical and she has a valid point. The one exception is my beloved University of Kentucky Wildcats. I have a very hard time thinking rationaly about them and looking at the programs pragmatically.

For example, every year (except for last year obviously) when filling out my NCAA tournament bracket, I put UK in at least the Final Four. It isn’t because of some superstitious belief, but because I honestly believe that they can do it.

So I hear you loud and clear. I am not going to worry about how our football team takes the next step because it isn’t my problem. I am just going to know that it is going to get done.

We can win every game to finish the season. It will be hard, it will be tough and it will be remarkable.

Yes, by pinning these hopes on my sleeve, I might be disappointed.

But the thing is, these kids put the pads on week after week and get the crap clobbered out of them. Why? Because they are out there to win. The least I can do is give them the benefit of the doubt and as many positive vibrations as I can from the comfort of my couch.

by Strangeite on Nov 5, 2009 8:40 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I could not agree with you more if I had to....

Your last paragraph, Strangeite, really sums it up. I am sure these kids don’t show up at all the practices and games and get the holy heck beat out of them just to hear the mumbling and complaining by their fans.
Which begs me to wonder if a fan can be so unhappy. Here is the definition of fan …..

 (n.) An ardent devotee; an enthusiast.

Okay….my question for everyone…Can one be an enthusiast and be so critical ? Just asking…..

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by a2d2 on Nov 5, 2009 9:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

A fan can be extremely devoted and enthusiastic but critical. UK basketball fans prove that every day.

The better question, does it do any good?

There are situations where I believe it does, but it needs to be in the proper forum and with a degree of moderation.

An important alumni that dumps hundreds of thousands of dollars into the athletic department has some influence when they are critical. When thousands of fans are rumbling on internet forums and radio call in shows, it can have impact.

But for each of us individually, I think it is important to be proud of what we have accomplished and allow ourselves to be disappointed when our team falls short. That means we need to have high expectations and believe we are going to win. Yes, it stings that much more deep when we fail, but I would rather BELIEVE that we will succeed than THINK we are going to fail.

by Strangeite on Nov 5, 2009 9:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I hear you

And I too, choose to believe in the team.

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by a2d2 on Nov 5, 2009 9:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Darkside?

Well I think the one thing everyone on this blog can agree on is that we support the kids!! No one who’s ever been around football at all doesn’t have respect for what these kids have endured not just at UK but since they started playing PeeWee football. They deserve our enthusastic support regardless of any games outcome.

But is it going to the darkside to also feel they deserve the best coaching possible? We can argue every day about the effect of injuries (btw…did I dream most thought Hartline wasn’t getting the job done?) or depth or recruits or schedule strength or expectations but is anyone going to tell be that Coach Brooks and his staff have done a great coaching job this season?

Could we win 2 or these 4 games? YES!!! Could we upset GA or UT? YES!!! But as someone pointed out to me a few weeks ago…..wish in one hand and s___ in the other and see which one fills up fastest.

Even if we beat Eastern and Vandy and then loose to Ga and to UT for the (my caculator is broken) straight time, what does that mean?

Is that a “good” season? Don’t Cobb and Lindley and Locke and Johnson and EVERY kid on the team deserve better?

by UKlvrJM on Nov 5, 2009 9:05 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

What???

That second sentence should read….Anyone who’s ever been around football at all should have respect…….

That pesky U0fL degree I have rearing it’s ugly head again.

by UKlvrJM on Nov 5, 2009 10:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A bye week would haven been lovely

A bye week recently would have been a wonderful way to help the team heal after some tough games. I haven’t seen much in the way of questioning Barnhart, Brooks, et al. about the schedule this year. Maybe it’s time for the media and fans to turn the screws a little bit?

I understand a lot of seemingly odd scheduling decisions were the result of a desire to avoid having the UofL game first on the schedule. With the Post-Petrino Cards I no longer think this should be a big concern.

by DCBlueandWhite on Nov 5, 2009 10:43 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I've been questioning that one

ALL along.

And if you look, we’re doin’ the same thing next year. For a team that will never be as deep as 90% of the SEC, it’s obscene that we take our bye after playing a patsy.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on Nov 5, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The schedule question keeps popping up

but I think it turned out pretty well. Bye weeks are good for developing players along with fine tuning your offensive and defensive schemes. Those are great things to address early in the season so maybe second or third week bye would be more appropriate but no later. I use to favor the late season bye to address injuries or that critical rivalry game coming out of the bye but changed my mind on that. Injuries happen, not just to us by everyone.

There’s not a team out there that doesn’t have injuries effecting their team, it’s just part of the game and coaches have to deepen teams and you better have some bodies to step into those positions. Kentucky has made major strides in that area. Three or four years ago injuries to an all-American corner, all-SEC linebacker, starting lineman, starting quarterback and starting running back would have doomed this team. Today we still have a chance in every game we play. A single bye week would not make that big of a difference, when players go down it’s not for just a week. Players can rehab about as thoroughly against a lesser opponent as a bye week since they will place much less than a full game as 2nd and 3rd stringers get valuable reps.

The bye week to prepare for that critical rivalry game? Uh, we’re not there yet. Not needed.

by hoboat33 on Nov 5, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The likely scenario

Unfortunately, is we beat Eastern and Vandy and lose out. That’s another 6-6 season with a team that Brooks said was miles ahead of last year’s team. That’s another 2-win SEC record, one that folks outside of Kentucky will probably see as undeserving of a bowl game, even though we will end up in Shreveport, which sucks.

All that’s pretty negative, but at this point, does it not seem like we’re sort of stuck on a hump we can’t get over? Six and seven wins every year is great and it does beat all those losing seasons we’ve dealt with over the years, but I don’t want to strive for mediocrity, I’d like to see some actual improvement. That improvement most often shows up in the wins column, not the press clippings or conferences.

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by Anything but Gatorade on Nov 5, 2009 11:44 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

2 more SEC victories?

Being the eternal optimist a qualified (of course) yes. To get to the meat of the discussion let’s assume a Vandy win. If we lose at Vandy the rest is moot.

Against Georgia the key will be the coaches. Kentucky’s offense against Georgia’s defense shows a little short only due to offensive passing. The front line matches up well and the running game is acceptable but the passing obviously leaves a little to be desired – OK, maybe a lot to be desired. So far, Kentucky’s recievers haven’t shown they can catch a lot of passes since WE NEVER THROW THE DAMN BALL. Against MSU we had, what, two passes thrown more than 15 yards? Compared to Georgia’s offense, defensively we are better worse better what we are – inconsistent.

This brings us to coaches. If the Kentucky coaching staff can put together a good offensive plan and have the ability to make in game adjustments they are facing a Georgia coaching staff that has been slammed as much or more than Brooks’ staff. If there is one team in the SEC you have a good shot of outcoaching, it’s Georgia. Pat Boone Mark Richt is safe this year but we may have the honor of turning up the heat going into next year. Their alum won’t take kindly to getting beat by lowly Kentucky at home. If we can get three coats of shellack on EKU the team may be ready to get by Vandy and cruise into Athens ready to heat up Richt’s hindparts.

Getting by Georgia would set up a very intense game with Tennessee. Intense doesn’t do it justice but I’ll stop there anyway. We got the two SEC wins and the Vols are a whole different discussion.

by hoboat33 on Nov 5, 2009 3:02 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Props

Truzenzuzex, I want to compliment you on a very sensible column.

Some fans look at momentum over the course of 3-4 seasons and appreciate what Brooks and his staff have accomplished since UK’s football program came off probation. Others go postal over one subpar performance and fail to see the bigger picture.

I am just as frustrated as anyone over the Cats’ abysmal defensive performance in Saturday’s Homecoming game, and I was appalled by the lack of defensive adjustments. But people need to understand that all football teams have a bad game occasionally. It’s painful when it happens, but it happens anyway. And this team has reasons to be inconsistent. It’s easy to say all football teams must play through injuries, but how many teams lose their best player (Lindley) and their starting QB (Hartline), while getting only limited play from the starting RB (Locke) and MLB (Micah)? That kind of injury grouping doesn’t happen often. Few teams show consistency with a true freshman at QB.

The most frustrating aspect is represented by the shrill, vicious attacks against our coaching staff by scores of internet-based fans who claim to be supporters of UK’s football program. For the most part, these are people who know relatively little about the game of football. Frankly, it is amazing to me how quickly so many fans jump ship and throw our coaches under the bus. These are the same coaches who brought this football program back from NCAA probation and won three-straight bowl games.

Truzenzuzex is correct in pointing out that all football teams must overcome issues during a typical season. Some do this better than others. Vandy and Georgia are currently in the throes of a disastrous football season. I don’t know if UK will beat them, but I do know that UK’s young starters have more performance upside at this point in the season than Vandy’s or Georgia’s. This is a true test of the courage of every member of UK’s football program, from coaches on down. This staff has proven to be resilient. It would not surprise me if this team wins seven or eight games. It’s certainly possible.

How disappointing that so many negative nellies are already giving up on the Cats in public. Fortunately our players and coaches have more courage than those wimps.

by Messenger on Nov 6, 2009 2:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, Messenger.

I also get frustrated, a lot, at how fans beat up on the coaching staff the minute things don’t go as hoped. But I have learned that there is no help for it. The best I can do is add my perspective in there and hope for the best.

It’s just one of those things, I guess. Building a football program that’s truly competitive in the SEC is a many-year process, if it’s possible at all.

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