Kentucky 24, Tennessee 30 (OT) -- Postmortem
Having just returned from a family meeting, it feels like a great burden to have to write this. Despite a game effort, Kentucky fell for the 25th straight time to Tennessee.
Congratulations to the Volunteers, who now join UK at 7-5 for the season. Tennessee played a very good football game, and Montario Hardesty was the realization of my worst fears about Kentucky coming into this game. The Volunteers played determined, if not particularly inspired, football. In the end, they were just a little bit better than the Wildcats.
What we saw tonight is what we have seen for the last four years -- a lack of true depth at positions killing us. What killed us tonight was the injury to John Connor, which resulted in Moncell Allen trying to replace him. Moncell did his best, but when it comes to blocking, Connor is the very best in the SEC. That's why Randall Cobb was less efficient in the second half. That's why Joker Phillips went more to the pass. That's why Derrick Locke saw far less of the football. Without Connor to block for them, the going got much tougher.
I must say that I am quite depressed to have lost this game. I really thought we had a chance to win in overtime. But for one of the few times this year, UK could not avoid either penalties or turnovers, and as we all are aware, Kentucky has a relatively small margin for error against the more talented SEC teams, of which Tennessee certainly is one.
More after the jump.
Many of you will be jumping down Phillips' throat for not running more of the Wildcat, but it was far less effective in the second half due to the absence of Connor. My bigger complaint was that every Wildcat play seemed to be a Randall Cobb run, and you would think that Kentucky could mix that up with more Derrick Locke.
But truth be told, Randall Cobb was not at his best tonight. He made several questionable decisions with the football, and uncharacteristically fumbled the football twice. He did score a touchdown and made several big plays, but it just seemed to me like the edge was not really there for him. Maybe it was, and he just didn't play to the top of his ability, but in the end, the result was the same.
The real problem with this game was that Tennessee dominated both our offensive and defensive lines. Our defensive line has been weak all year, but tonight, it was simply not up to the task. Hardesty ran through them like a hot knife through butter. It has been a recurring problem for the Wildcat defense to be weak against the run, and given the talent we are graduating, I don't have much hope for a strong defensive front next year. But that is for later.
Here were my other observations:
- Morgan Newton was simply not up to the task tonight. He did his best Mike Hartline impersonation by throwing the football over everyone's head.
- Sam Maxwell disappeared after the interception. Where did he go?
- Great game by Micah Johnson. He seemed to be in on every play. But he could not cover the tight end at all.
- The pressure on Crompton was simply not good enough.
- The defense, overall, was poor. Tennessee pretty much did what they wanted. The only way they didn't was when they got a penalty or a big negative play.
- The Kentucky offense was very predictable, and I think we did not give Locke the ball enough in either half.
- Special teams play was generally not very good. Tydlacka made a couple of very poor punts, UK kicked a ball out of bounds or line drives that could be returned on kickoffs, and just generally did not do that well. The only bright spot was Randall Cobb's punt returns.
- UK's passing game was almost non-existent. I can remember Cobb catching a couple of balls, and Matthews catching one long pass. But did any of the other wide receivers ever catch a football?
- How many times must Wildcat fan's hearts be broken before we dispose of this particular nuisance?
Well, that's about all I have for now. I haven't looked at the stats, and I haven't really looked at anything else. The game (what I saw of it) was largely lost on penalties and turnovers, something that Kentucky has feasted on for most of the year. It was bound to catch up to us sooner or later.
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thanks for the dose of reality...
i know we were winning at half, but with the first TO, there was a 14 point swing – if we drive and score, we are up 21-7, but instead, ut drives and it is 14-14. i guess i thought we should have been leading by more at half but the fact that we were not was a bit disconcerting.
given all you said – and reviewing the last series in regulation again – i really do not have a problem with the play calling. would have liked to see more locke but without conner, you just have to take some things out of your play book.
also – i think it was globe – said brooks on radio made some comment about not practing the wildcat formation for 2 minute drill. guess that would account for the play calling.
anyway, if not for the nuisance that will not be named, this season was very good – all things considered. its that nuisance that just colors my judgement….
i thought 7-5 would require a win over UT -
my gut is music city at best (but shreveport not out of the question). 4 bowls in a row is nice, but hopefully we will move up a notch next year. the extra month of practice will do our freshmen good.
finally, we covered pretty good for losing jarmon – but got to think we would have given up less yards up the middle if he had been around….
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on Nov 28, 2009 11:52 PM EST reply actions
*sigh*
Really tough loss. I think Cobb just was tired, playing injured and beat up. Not to put anything on him, he did yeoman’s work out there – the legend continues. His spirit was all we had on offense in the first half. He put us on his back and carried us. But when he had that fumble, I knew that was pretty much the end of the game. He just wasn’t himself by that point, he had done all his body would allow, and that was it. That last drive was a Herculean feat, but I think that was running on fumes at that point, and that was it. I would not be surprised at all to hear that was why Cobb didn’t play towards the very end of the game and OT. And without him out there leading, the offense just didn’t have the spark.
Overall, the offense played quite poorly today – especially in the second half. No other way to put it. Tough spot for Morgan Newton to be in, true freshman in the SEC in a pressure cooker like this. But he is a tough kid, he will come out stronger next year for it.
The defense played pretty well, I thought. It was just another case of them being on the field too long and getting tired.
I think we should have gone for it at the end of regulation. It was clear to me we had nothing left in the tank for OT, and UT was just catching their stride. But we could have mustered 5 more plays at the end of regulation.
UT was UT. What can you say? Good game and congrats to them, they played well.
Too bad it will probably be a while before we have a chance to beat them again. O-line is gone, as are Micah, Trevard, Maxwell, Peters, and probably Brooks.. That is a lot to lose.
I just hope the injured players can get healthy again, especially by New Years.
OL will be biggest loss....
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on Nov 29, 2009 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
Brooks isn't leaving
He still has some history to conquer!
I have kleptomania,
but when it gets bad,
I take something for it.
I dont know.
I’d say Brooks is pretty darn close to being finished here.
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Nov 30, 2009 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
stats
total turnovers were even for the game, I believe (2 each?)
TN dominated time of possession in 2nd half.
We had no offense in 2nd half.
first 5 possessions of 2nd half
4 punts, 1 fumble
total yards gained from scrimmage:
49 yards in 21 plays on 5 possessions
rewind to August
what would we have taken as a good season, knowing in advance we would lose Jarmon, lose Hartline, lose so many games for Lindley and others to injury? 7-5?
6-6...
and keep bowl streak alive – thats what i was hoping for….
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on Nov 29, 2009 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
Our final possession in regulation
started on Tennessee’s 37 yard line.
On four plays from scrimmage, Randall Cobb ran the ball from the 37 yard line down to the 10 yard line.
Regardless of anyone’s opinion of Cobb’s “overall game”, or “prior turnovers”, the fact remains that on that final drive, with the game on the line, Cobb ran the ball from the 37 yard line down to the 10 yard line.
After reaching the 10 yard line, Randall Cobb never touched the ball again.
by Sonic on Nov 29, 2009 12:03 AM EST reply actions
push come to shove, i agree with you..
but he did all that without conner blocking so he had to be gassed. also, the ut defender did a great job shedding the locke block on 3rd down – if that block gets made, newton scores. not putting it on locke because he is not the one that is suppose to make the block – with conner injured, he was the one whose number was called to do it – i have seen newton get 5+ yards on that play many times….
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on Nov 29, 2009 12:09 AM EST reply actions
Tough Loss
Tough, I really think everyone played well but less disciplined than against Ga. Injuries hurt as well. I thought the defense played well in the 2nd half considering how much time they spent on the field. Wish I would have looked at the score before watching after having had to record it.
great idea or just a idea born from rage...
Hire Charlie Weiss as offensive co-ordinator and let him prove his mettle in the SEC.
Create a position for Joker that involves just recruiting and no actual play calling until papaw retires if we insist on this stupid coach in waiting and we refuse to do a proper coach search.
http://wildcatblueblog.com
P, I remember when John Ray came to Kentucky and announced he was going to teach the SEC how to play football.
We don’t really need any help like that from Notre Dame again. And why in the world would anyone want joker to step asside as the play caller? Sorry, but he’s what we got and going to get for the future.
Thank you Mitch.
No statements from Brooks and Barnhart about being pleased to death after the loss? That’s what we heard from the duo last season.
Actually we had a good season. We went into major, well almost major, teams homes and beat them. We all thought it might happen against Auburn, but Georgia was a nice surprise. The Mississippi State game, not so good. Seven and five is dood for the Cats at anytime. Winning three in the conference was a step up.
A good season.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
Right, Paris,
but did you have to mention John Ray? I was there with both Bradshaw and Ray. Sheesh!! One abused the players, the other kept losing and referring to his “young men.” I couldn’t take much of either.
No moral victories--it's all about Ws and Ls!!!
Tennessee versus Kentucky
Yall when Hardesty ran that touchdown in, my heart just sank. I was pretty much even kiel during the whole game. I can for sure say when the Vols score I am jumping up and down for the first time, my heart just sank. It was hard to watch. I would have felt the same if Kentucky had won. Just a hard fought battle between two teams that have been through some major adversity this year. Tennessee has had its issues with injuries and off the field problems. Kentucky has been racked with injuries and illness. Both teams needed this win. Kentucky should be very proud of themselves. The loss of Connor was a huge loss and most likely cost them the game. Also though, Tennessee lost their punter/kicker at full strength. Its just tough. I wanted to point out that alot of yall are on Joker about not calling Cobb to the plays at the end. Cobb is not one hundred percent. The announcers even said so. You know his body had been battered all night. I think that it had a huge factor. I do question on not giving Locke the ball though. That kid is fast.
Overall,, Kentucky should be very proud of themselves and really all the SEC teams should be. I think with the exception of Florida, Alabama and Vandy-this conference is very evenly matched. YOu saw that with the beatdown of the ACC today by the SEC. I am looking forward to the bowls this year as I think we could go undefeated. The SEC had great teams. Remember too Kentucky beat a team last week that just beat the number seven team in the country on the road. Hold your heads up high Cat fans. Your guys deserve it.
Kentucky bretheren united once again! Thanks Cal!
This.
Honestly, that was a game where it was a shame that somebody had to lose. Much like ‘07 (and I don’t bring that up to rub salt), it was one of the best finishes in conference play this year.
by David Hooper on Nov 29, 2009 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
I agree
BTW, I saw your comment on what Kiffin said at the presser. LOL! That cracked me up.
Kentucky bretheren united once again! Thanks Cal!
Heh.
I suppose it’s easier to be witty when you win, too. It was (in part) his comments after losses that created this new policy by Slive.
by David Hooper on Nov 29, 2009 1:15 AM EST up reply actions
Reruns
After watching this game for the last 20 years, it almost seems like it’s a rerun with different players and the same script … a close game that builds in drama and finding a way to loose in the end. Sigh. Loosing The Terminator really hurt us tonight. Does anybody know what happened with his injury??? In the end, with all the injuries we’ve had, I feel pretty good about 7 wins guys.
Season is a success
Tough loss today, but the season was a success. We didn’t break the most important streak, but be did beat some nice road game streaks with our wins at UGA and at Auburn. And a 7 win season is certainly good for UK at this point.
So bummed, but trying to find a positive…
Go cats!
exactly
and the success of the season shouldn’t be based on winning against Tennessee. That is too much pressure and kind of egotistical for the fans to think so.
Kentucky bretheren united once again! Thanks Cal!
Dwelling on the streak gives UT, too much "power" over us.
Hard to do, I know if that rivalry is one of the top on your list of rivalries.
No matter where you're at, there you are
the more i think about it..
i am probably more disappointed about the loss costing us 2nd in the east rather than continuing the streak.
as you look at all the other games played yesterday, you realize what this game used to be (aub/bama, uga/gt, uf/fsu, etc). if for no other reason than for it to once again be a true rivalry, you would like to see a win….
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on Nov 29, 2009 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
Good way to look at
This wasn’t dweller cellar UK looking to end a streak. View it as a game to finish #2 behind Florida; and a January 1 Bowl game.
No matter where you're at, there you are
Tru...
You hit the nail on the head:
“…it feels like a great burden to have to write this.” My feelings exactly!
Really feeling it for the Seniors… During their time here, they never beat UF or UT!
Done is done, time to move on… Time to get everyone healthy, get some good practices in, and win whichever bowl we go to!
If your wings don't sweep....
never beat UF or UT
A whole lot of senior classes have graduated without beating either team, but no other senior class has ever had the chance to win 4 bowl games.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Nov 29, 2009 1:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Why you comparing Newton with Hartline
UK fans down Hartline way to much and are in love with Newton. Saying all this stuff like he is just a true freshman in a pressure cooker like that should be an excuse why he can’t hit a reciever. I got news for you he isn’t ever going to be great. Even a true freshman in a cooker should throw some ball accurately and this guy can’t. There’s no need to say he did his impersonation of Hartline because Hartline has never played that bad and I’m not a big Hartline fan neither. I hope Moss. from Texas will be UK’s answer it isn’t Newton. I don’t want to blame the loss on Newton though because he is a freshman and because it was the decisions of our coaches on him being in this year and going to OT instead of going for the few yards and the victory.
Direct quote from the player
who was allegedly “too tired” to have the ball put into his hands at the end of regulation even though he was apparently not too tired for the coaches to still have him in the game at the wide receiver position:
At the end of the game is when I’m the most hungry. I would have loved to have the ball in that situation. But I didn’t.
We fans of UK Football can jump through all the mental hoops we need to in order to accept moral victories and convince ourselves that we actually deserve the abject mediocrity that will continue to serve as the leadership of our program.
And whether we deserve him or not, I challenge even the most ardent of Joker Phillips apologists to deny this:
Randall Cobb deserves better than Joker Phillips.
by Sonic on Nov 29, 2009 9:41 AM EST reply actions
This.
How many times does Cobb need to score the winning TD before coaches get him the ball late? The coaches were either unimpressed by GW scores by Cobb at Auburn and at UGA. What about loses to Miss St. and South Carolina where Cobb didn’t get the ball late?
The failure to go to Cobb late is inexcusable exacerbated by the coaches’ lame attempts to justify their indecent decision.
by Thomas Hunt Morgan on Nov 29, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
If losing wasn't so aggravating, I could actually get some entertainment enjoyment
…
out of Brooks and Joker trying to raise the comedy bar and out Baghdad Bob each other….
More quotes from the comedy goldmine that was Mark Story’s article:
Unfortunately, we’re not expert enough to run the two-minute (offense) out of the Wildcat," Brooks said, "so we got back into our regular formation and tried to finish the drive.
If you saw what I saw, the way they were lined up, it should have been a “walk-in” touchdown.
..
And the Brooks quote that will probably still be getting under my skin long after he is gone:
I know how much (Cobb) wanted this one tonight.
Just not enough to let him have the ball in his hands at the end of regulation— even though he desperately wanted it.
Pathetic.
In every conceivable regard.
by Sonic on Nov 29, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Going into the game
I thought the loss would leave me crushed and feeling the season was a waste. Surprisingly, I don’t come close to feeling bad about the season. Sure, the loss was a tough one for the seniors and I feel for them, but the season was exciting with its ups and downs and there is still one game to go. I agree with memphiscat in that I was more upset over losing out on 2nd in the east vs an extension of the streak. This team didn’t lose 25 games to Tennessee but they did win at Auburn, at Georgia and at Vandy – a very nice feather in the cap. They are also going to their 4th bowl game in four years and have a done themselves very proud. I’m looking forward to following this team to whatever bowl they go to and to following thier progress next year.
There is and will continue to be a lot of hand wringing over play calling, depth of talent, recruiting and the like but if you follow any team there will be those questions. Pick just about any team out there and you’re going to see questions on each of these, they are not unique to the UK program. When I get upset with comments critical in any of these areas I’m comforted by the fact that at least people still care enough to pour their hearts out for the football program. That hasn’t always been the case.
by hoboat33 on Nov 29, 2009 10:13 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I rec'd your comment hoboat,
We must feel good about the season. They showed us how to go out on the field and keep fighting for the team, in pain or not. Our guys played at times none of us probably would have gotten off the couch if we were as banged up as they were. I am not going to go the if-only route. Nothing good comes of that. The game last night was a tough loss for UK fans, but even tougher for the team. :-)
Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!
A broken record
I know I will sound like a whiner but i’m going to say what a lot of people have been saying about Florida, but about Tennessee. The officals are really off in their play calling. When Tennessee’s O line has 3 guys bear hugging UK’s D line that is holding. I know for the refs it’s more fun to watch the QB or running back but one guy has to watch that. The OT play for the TD the refs are ALL looking down field. The TD should have come back for holding.
Would this have gave UK the win? Maybe, maybe not, but it would have made UT win it fairly. You watch the previous plays of the last 2 UT drives where they don’t hold it’s a 1, 2, 2, 3, -2, -1 loss on the runs. They can’t do it fair. We still have a big D line even with the injuries.
I know everyone it going to blast me but the easiest fix is to make plays reviewable for penalties. If the coach saw something review it. If the flag was thrown and the coach doesn’t agree, review it. We spend enough time reviewing ball placement trival catches sometimes it can’t make it much worse.
All in all it was a good game just again UK had 2 teams to beat, the orange and black team and the white and black team.
"Success is the glue that holds great teams together." - Adolph Rupp
Astutue observers
May have recognized that yesterday’s officiating crew was the same one that the SEC suspended earlier in the season. As far as I can remember, that was an unprecedented action. Perhaps the SEC might take even tougher action this offseaon. Officiating was poor, but the coaching worse.
by Thomas Hunt Morgan on Nov 29, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
Oh well..
we will have to wait for our payback from the B B cats again..
It was a poorly played and coached game
Tru pretty much covered it. I will defend the o-line by saying it’s pretty hard to block when the d knows what’s coming every time. Misuse of Locke and not enough throws for Cobb out of the Wildcat. Plus, we need an offensive identity. You’re not going to beat good teams in the fourth quarter with the same gadget plays from the first half. The Kiffin’s don’t have much to work with this year either, but they showed in the second half they are better coaches.
This was a great game
Okay things went wrong for the Cats and a few things went wrong for the Vols, but when it is said and done. I am proud of the game we played and my only wish would be to avoid conventional wisdom and go for it on fourth down. Give it Cobb and go all in, losing like that in ot after a hard fought game, I do not know how long this loss wil linger, well…you know, probally till a little after the Carolina game tips off.
I was at the game
And we both tried to give it away with turnovers. I think we each got 10 points off, and I thought y’all were going to punch in the dagger. I didn’t realize Cobb was half-speed/Connor was hurt. That’s rough, because he was eating us alive. Hell, he was even eating us alive half-speed.
The big difference had to be adjustments at halftime. Monte somehow figured a way to slow y’all down, and your defense just started getting tired. We’ve been on the other side of that lack of depth issue (see: 42-17 loss to Ole Miss Dexter McCluster), so we know how it goes. Y’all still got some good stops in the 2nd half to keep the game close. Bend but don’t break.
That said, I think y’all really had the better of the play in the first half, and when you have a month to rest before bowls and get the running game going at full strength, it will be a sight to see.
I also really enjoyed my first visit to Commonwealth Stadium. Had a couple rude folks (one guy elbowed me in the stomach just because I had a UT sweatshirt on), but most of your fans were really great. There were some guys behind me saying not to go to a 7-11 for fear of robbery, and I told them that 7-11s were okay, just as long as they didn’t hit a Pilot. We all got a good laugh. And there were UK fans who came up and shook my hand after the game. Good experience.
P.S. Break the streak against Florida before the one against us. Neither of us could stand the Gators having the longest active winning streak. shudder
by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 29, 2009 10:45 AM EST reply actions
Hey Thanks for coming to Commonwealth!
And relating your experience! It’s good to hear when a visiting fan has a good experience. Sorry about that peon who elbowed you in the stomach. 8’( We all have some crazies I guess.
Bad loss
ZERO moral victory in this one.This game should have ended in regulation.This is what was on the line
2nd Place in the East
24 year long losing streak over
Possible New Year Bowl
They should have went for the win.Instead,the coaching staff played “not to lose” in Lexington.If we had lost the game on 4th down,so be it.I would defend Brooks for having a pair.
I'm not so upset with kicking the FG
I am, however, quite displeased with not getting the ball to UK’s best offense weapon inside the ten yard line. Needed to kick the FG, take the game to OT. Offense and defense (and special teams) played equally bad in OT.
by Thomas Hunt Morgan on Nov 29, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
Unneccessary shot at Hartline
Hartline already lost his season to injury, there is no reason to add insult. He got quite enough of that throughout the season when he was actually playing, seems like we ought to lay off when he doesnt even play.
I didn't mean it as an insult.
Hartline, at his worst, constantly overthrew his receivers. This is a fact.
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As does Newton...
Somebody (Hello Randy Sanders) has got work with these kids and get their release of the ball squared away! I’ve heard somebody talk about this before but can’t remember all the specifics of it… Maybe something about the follow-through??
If your wings don't sweep....
Sure, at his worst,
but dont you think he’s gotten his fair share (and more) for that already? Not a lot to gain by added criticism at this point.
It wasn't meant as criticism, either.
At least, not of Hartline.
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It sucks. There’s hardly more to say about it. I completely agree with most people on here about going for the win at the end of regulation. While I couldn’t bring myself to say it aloud last night, I knew when we went to OT that we weren’t going to win it. We just didn’t have it in us. This was a make or break game for UK. We all knew what we were playing for and funnily enough the 24 year streak was, for once, the least important of them. God only knows how many recruits were going and realized that UK will always be a ho-hum mid pack SEC team. And after losing all the Seniors that we’re going to, next year only promises to be worst. Yes I’m pissed and yes I’m pessimistic, but I think last night might finally have been the shot to my heart that I just couldn’t handle. God knows life would be much easier without being a UK football fan, but unfortunately I just don’t think it’s in me to give up. Call me a glutton for punishment I guess. And I also think it’s funny that we keep calling this a rivalry. A rivalry requires both of the teams to be at least kind of evenly matched, and for my entire life we haven’t been. And of course I’m left to say, just wait until bball season. Thing is- UT could care less about bball, just like I’m supposed to care less about UK football…
Go Cats and Go Canes!
We sell out
EVERY b-ball game and almost every Football game. The only reason we might go to a bowl better than the Music City is that the bowl committees know what kind of fan support we’d bring to the game.
We have the BEST fans in college sports for both our large programs and schools like UT can only wish they had fans like ours who care about both sports!!!!
True
But other SEC programs travel for bowl games as well. While we’re unparalleled in basketball, we’re rank and file in football passion.
If we're in the running
for a bowl with Ga. or SC……that will be something in our favor. Yes, SC beat us but we’ll bring more fans than either of them would.
UT Fans
I got news for you….with all due respect ,Kentucky Cane, The University of Tennessee is in the top five in attendance for BOTH football and basketball (mens),and first in Women’s B-ball. Do your research………and although your basketball history is rich, UT has been ahead ofr you in the East four straight years. Just the facts, as Sgt. Joe Friday said.
the top 5 in men's basketball is true
for just the last 4 years….doesn’t exactly make UT a basketball school. obviously pearl’s done a great job getting people excited about the program, but we’ll see if it lasts after him.
http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/stats/m_basketball_RB/Reports/attendanceYBYtop25.pdf
GO BIG BLUE!! GO BIG BLUE!!
by UKWildCatFanatic on Nov 29, 2009 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
I completely disagree....
UK has great fans! I am one of them, I am also an Alum. However, I was at the game last night and sat on the 50yd line opposite the UT section and could clearly hear Rocky Top being sang several different times by their 5-8 thousand fans over top of our 57-60 thousand. UT fans are super passionate, especially about football. If you want to make fun of fans, did anyone watch the Louisville/Rutgers game friday? The crowd alone could be why Mr. Kragethorpe is now consulting Careerbuilder.com. More people probably have showed up to a Pop Warner championship game than were there the other day.
I left TN and now I am back in the Bluegrass... just in time for Football and Keeneland! Life is great!
by sleepytimetea on Nov 30, 2009 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
Agree
The UT fans were incredibly loud even though they were incredibly outnumbered. Rocky Top was not to be missed. The UT band even played one of the same songs our band played – only louder.
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Nov 30, 2009 8:58 AM EST up reply actions
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Thing is- UT could care less about bball, just like I’m supposed to care less about UK football…
Not true. There may have been program apathy in the past from decades of crappy play, but I don’t think you can say UT fans “could care less” about the basketball program since Bruce Pearl has rejuvinated the program. Thompson-Boling arena getting 19,000-21,000 fans for low-profile games doesn’t indicate fans who don’t care. Go to Auburn and check out their paltry attendance against UNC-Asheville for a fan base who doesn’t care about basketball.
Cannons... fire them.
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Pose this poll to UT fans: I would be more upset at a loss to Kentucky in football than I would in basketball. Strongly agree, agree, neutral, disagree, strongly disagree. I don’t think any of us would be surprised at the answer.
And I wasn’t talking about women’s bball. UK has finished below UT in the SEC east the past four years, but I don’t think you could find anyone to argue that that’s normal.
Go Cats and Go Canes!
by KentuckyCane on Nov 30, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
What about preferring one result over another
speaks to not caring about a sport per se? I suspect that Kentucky fans would prefer to win in basketball over football, but that doesn’t mean UK fans flat out don’t care about football. By your team’s strong attendance in bowl games, I’d say it’s the contrary… just like Tennessee’s strong home attendance in basketball and increased travel to road games. The proof is in the pudding.
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I've watched most
if not all of everyone of those 25 games. Many years we were outclassed and really had no chance of winning but everytime we’ve played them where it was a toss-up, we’ve still managed to choke away a victory.
I think most will agree that this was a good year that could have been a great year. Three SEC road wins and a bowl when just a few weeks ago it didn’t look like we’d be going any where. That said, this game joins the SC and Miss St. games in losses that we should have won.
Questionable play calling, poor execution, big penalties in key situations…….this program isn’t good enough to overcome these problems against SEC teams that already have UK penciled in as a victory on their schedule.
I’ve been someone who’s always questioned Brooks as the best coach for our program but looking at the big picture, I can’t deny what he’s done for the program and feel he deserves to leave on his own terms.
That said, to me it’s insane to hand this program over to an unproven coach. Joker has done nothing in my mind to deserve being handed this job and I just don’t get why that’s apparently going to happen. If he leaves…..fine, let him prove himself as a head coach if someone would hire him but he’s certainly not proved himself as an O-coordinator.
The big loosers last night were those Seniors who’ve bled for this program and the fans of this University who were either there last night screaming their lungs out or were like us watching on TV and screaming in our family rooms.
We can pick apart every play last night but at the end of the day, UT’s beaten us for the 25th straight time and this one probably hurts worst because so much rode on this game and they were soooooooooooooooooooooo beatable.
I was at that game in Knoxville
the last time we beat them.
If a Tennessee fan had stopped me outside the stadium after that game and offered to bet me that they would beat us every game for the next 25 years… I would have been willing to bet him $1,000,000 that he was full of crap… and yet, here we are.
Good thing none of the UT fans offered me that bet back then.
by Sonic on Nov 29, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
This one hurts but...
if you had told me in summer that we would lose Jarmon, Hartline would be gone for the season after SC, Lindley would miss 4 games and not be himself when he returned, Cobb and Locke would play hurt all season and we would start a true freshman at QB for half the season in the SEC and we would end 7-5, I would have hugged your neck and high-fived you with all the giddiness of a school boy.
This was a good season. I won’t let a heartbreaking loss to UT take this fact away. You can gripe and complain all you want about coaching, but I don’t see many other coaches in the country doing what Rich has done with the talent he has over the last four years. And, the only game I got to attend we won (Georgia in Athens). Good season, Cats! Now let’s get well and tear someone up in a bowl game.
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Kentuckians
must remember where you are………is this not a rebuilding season? Is this not a season where you lost some major players and yet you are still 7-5? Its all perspective. You beat Georgia and Auburn and were close to South Carolina and Tennessee. Just look back to Tru’s post about Kentucky football this week. This team accomplilshed more then others thought that they would. They should be proud. Yes, I know it hurts to lose to Tennessee but you have to look to the whole season. Everyone was singing their prasies before this game-you cannot just go cold on them and declare that they didn’t play with heart last night. I saw some good plays. The game went into overtime people. kentucky came too play.
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Re: UK and expectations.
When Rich Brooks first came to UK, the Cats were the 5th best team in the SEC east. Flash forward to present day and again, UK is the 5th best team in the SEC east. The SEC east was tremendously down this year. Only one ranked team. That we had a chance to finish second in the east and end a 24 year losing streak to UT and go to a New Year’s day bowl all in the last minute of the last regular season game, and failed to capitalize is beyond disappointing.
by Thomas Hunt Morgan on Nov 29, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
That is exactly what I’m saying. We’re supposed to be becoming a not basement SEC team. But all we’ve managed to become is a loss that might be less of a surprise to others in the SEC. Previously, if UK beat an SEC team it was shocking and could have ruined another season. Now, some of the other mid-pack teams understand that UK isn’t going to be run over anymore. The elite teams in the SEC? A loss to UK is still a mighty shock and a possible season ender. The UGA game is the perfect example. UGA was not having a great year, and UK came in a beat them Between the Hedges and all hell broke loose. We’re still the rubric that is used to explain an especially terrible season. Losing to UK is still just about the worst thing you can do in the SEC.
Go Cats and Go Canes!
by KentuckyCane on Nov 29, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
I agree 100%
and I along with several others have tried to make the point that the expectations for this program have been set too low for far too long. I give Coach Brooks and his staff credit for building a deeper team and going to 4 straight bowls but what does that really mean in todays college football when there are a zillion bowls and all you have to do is win 6 games to be bowl eligible
We accept buying as many wins as the schedule will allow and then “hoping” to be .500 in the SEC. I will never buy the arguments………we’re a basketball school, Kentucky has no talent to recruit, we don’t have the money, we’re in the SEC……as acceptable excuses.
The bottom line that so many just don’t want to admit is that the administration has set minimal expectations and the fan base has accepted that. As KentuckyCane points out, we’re the team that most of the SEC pencils in as a win on their schedule and IF we beat them, it’s considered a HUGE loss.
We don’t accept failure or even average in the b-ball program. Getting to a bowl game today is like getting to the NCAA tournament……you’re team SUCKS if you don’t make it and we just saw what we do with a Coach who doesn’t produce in basketball.
As I’ve said, IMHO Brooks has earned the right to leave on his own terms but he hasn’t earned the right to name an heir. To me it’s just another example of low expectations and acceptance of them by the fan base.
Has anyone seen anything with Joker’s play calling that screams……HE"S THE MAN? We’re left doing the same thing that we seem to do every year…….HOPE for the best. Unfortunately the teams we play in the SEC don’t share our “hope for the best” attitude…….they expect more.
With all due respect ...
… that ship has sailed. This line of discussion is old and tired.
Joker will be the next head coach, whether or not you believe he should. Before we fire Phillips as head coach, don’t you think we should find out if he is any good at the job? There is a big difference between his position now, and his future position.
I suggest we criticize his play calling where applicable, but calling for a man’s job before he even takes it over is not rational. The decision has been made. It is not subject to reconsideration, nor should it be.
Brooks will leave when he pleases, and Phillips will take over (unless he decides not to do so). It cannot and will not be undone, absent moral turpitude or some kind of Billy Gillispie moment. Considering Phillips’ personality, that is about as likely as me flapping my arms and flying to Mars.
As to whether the other teams in the SEC expect more or less, I can’t recall the last time any coach in the bottom tier or the SEC was fired or forced out after four consecutive winning seasons, and four consecutive bowl games. At the top, sure, you see that, but for good reason — Going 7-5 at Florida in any year would be underachieving to an extraordinary degree. Same with Alabama. But UK is not Alabama, nor Florida, and I’d be willing to wager that I’ll see my funeral pyre before I see Kentucky win SEC championships in football year in and year out, no matter who the coach is.
So “expect more” if you must, but prepare for disappointment.
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Well I guess we'll
have to agree to disagee. Loosing 25 years in a row to a school that we should beat at least once a decade is old and tired.
You make my point about expectations. It’s accepted that a Coach who at the time had taken UK to two bowls should be able to name his successor. We were so delirious over going to two straight bowls and our expectations were so low that it just seemed to be the thing to do.
“It cannot and will not be undone” because so many seem to accept that UK’s a penciled in loss for most of the SEC and we’re soooooooo happy when we “upset” them. “Upsets” should only refer to a handful teams in the SEC and every other school should “worry” about playing us.
I agree that Brooks deserves to go out on his own terms but those terms shouldn’t include naming his heir. Louisville just fired a head coach and I’m pretty sure Joker isn’t on their list of replacements. Schools usually hire head coaches with successful results or up and coming coordinators from college or pro teams…….they don’t hand head coaching jobs to heirs.
I also agree that UK will never annually compete for the SEC championship but I’ll never agree that winning an SEC championship should be impossible for UK.
Joker may turn out to be the best Coach in UK history but nothing so far leads to that assumption. He’s going to be our coach one way or the other as you point out but it’s not going to be because UK expected and went out and got the best Coach available.
UKlvrJM....
you would be just as well off to just go out and bang your head against a wall.
For now, and probably the next 6 or 7 years, you should just be like most everyone else here and enjoy UK football primarily as a great venue for fall tailgaiting and hanging out with friends and just forget about the program setting high standards or making shrewd coaching hires. Just enjoy the barbecue, wear your UK sweater, and go into the stadium and cheer our boys on through all of their many “moral victories” and “close calls” to come! Assimilate, my friend!
As for our next head coach: sure it may seem odd that while most schools perform an actual search of the best available coaches and then hope that their new hire “lives up to his resume”, we are in the somewhat humorous position of crossing our fingers and hoping that ours “performs quite different from his resume”— but hey, who doesn’t love a good MYSTERY novel ??
by Sonic on Nov 29, 2009 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
I am
sorry but that is a very poor attitude an I just dare you to say that to the guys who gave their heart and guts every week for 11 straight weeks.
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The guys who gave their heart and guts
every week for 11 straight weeks deserved for their coaching staff to put them in a position to win the damn Tennessee game, tenken.
It is the PLAYERS, and what they DESERVE from their coaching staff that I am even concerned about.
In return for all of their hard work, they deserve to be given a chance to win. Fans who hold the coaching staff responsible for their actions are doing exactly that. Fans who make excuses for the coaches and just accept the status quo are the ones who are not.
by Sonic on Nov 29, 2009 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
No excuses are necessary.
The coaches are doing a fine job.
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Fair enough, Tru
Arguing isn’t going to get us anywhere.
If that is your official, “on the record” opinion after presumably watching the Louisville, South Carolina, Mississippi St. and Tennessee games, then so be it.
I reserve the right, however, to respectfully and strongly disagree.
by Sonic on Nov 30, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
It is my position after watching every game this season except Eastern Kentucky.
I totally appreciate your principled disagreement, and your reasonable tone. That’s what we want here at A Sea of Blue.
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by Glenn Logan on Nov 30, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Well, you really do seem to be a good guy
.
And you run what is hands down the best UK blog on the internet. You guys do a fantastic job here!
And that is one fact that remains the same no matter how strongly we all disagree on some things around here…
by Sonic on Nov 30, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for that.
I am a bit of a stickler for decorum. I believe that people should be able to have an intelligent, rational conversation about sports, and that ranting, raving, and general non-adult behavior is fine for other blogs and fan sites if they want to allow it, but not this one.
I treat this as my home. I would not allow party guests to go on loud, dogmatic rants about something they felt passionately about and ruin my party. In fact, it is axiomatic that none of my invitees would ever do such a thing.
I think most people would not, but the Internet allows them to say things that they would never say in polite company, and too many of us leap at the opportunity it presents to shed our decorum and let it all hang out, rather than being considerate of others.
That’s why I so appreciate people like you who know how to avoid letting emotion get the better of their reason. When we can disagree without being disagreeable, we achieve the highest form of debate and discussion.
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by Glenn Logan on Nov 30, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
I agree to. Just some don’t like facts and stats when it comes to proving your point.
if all else fails, just be rah, rah
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
Facts and stats, huh?
Haven’t you ever heard, “There are lies, damn lies, and statistics?”
Stats don’t tell the whole story. Never have.
As far as being “rah rah,” that is the purpose of fan sites. Excess negativism is something we don’t want in A Sea of Blue.. Please keep that in mind. Anyone wanting to vent can always go to The Cats Pause or some other UK site and vent as much as the owner will allow. My tolerance for venting and negativism is much lower than most.
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Yep, and the one that is most decieving is wins and losses.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
Heh.
It’s the only one that counts, Paris.
Vince Lombardi once said, “If winning isn’t everything, why keep score?”
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I totally agree.
That was in jest.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
I agree... and I am chuckling!
I left TN and now I am back in the Bluegrass... just in time for Football and Keeneland! Life is great!
by sleepytimetea on Nov 30, 2009 1:10 AM EST up reply actions
Some of the
best advise I’ve received in years!!:-) You’re sooooooooooooooooo hitting the nail on the head. For most of these folks and I mean no offense to anyone, football is simply something to do before going to Keenland and if we have an occasional victory…all the better.
For years I’ve compared UK football fans to Chicago Cubs baseball fans. We cheer for a team that always seems to find a way to loose the big game but we’re having such a great time doing it that no one seems to notice much.
I’ve said and I’ll repeat it…Brooks has earned the right to go out under his own terms but anyone who defends the coaching this team has received this year is watching a different sport than I am. It started with the UofL game that we could easily have lost….remember the end of the first half?
But hey, as you said…..assimilate and drink another beer!!!!
have to comment on the cubs part :)
i’ve lived my whole life in chicago, and while there are fans who just like to go to Cubs games to be seen at the world’s biggest bar, most are hardcore fans that live and die on each game like most of us do for the basketball team.
i’d realistically would say 95% of my friends here are cubs fans, and they are angry and depressed for most of baseball season. i’ve always said that if the cubs were to win the world series, you’d see a celebration unlike any other city has ever done.
and i say this as a white sox fan.
my point here is that while the perception of cubs fans is that they don’t care about the product on the field as long it’s warm outside, and they have a cold Old Style in their hands isn’t actually a reality. Just like I’m sure the perception of UK football fans doesn’t match reality either.
GO BIG BLUE!! GO BIG BLUE!!
by UKWildCatFanatic on Nov 30, 2009 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Well ...
I agree that Brooks deserves to go out on his own terms but those terms shouldn’t include naming his heir.
He was granted those terms by the only people that count — his superiors. I think it’s time we all came to grips with that. Bitching about it won’t change it. In other words, I suggest we all get over it.
That’s what I’m saying. And I never did say that winning an SEC championship is impossible for UK. In fact, that has already happened in the past, and will likely happen again.
What I am saying is that we will not be year-in and year-out contenders, not that we won’t win it from time to time.
As far as Phillips is concerned, how can you possibly judge his merits as a head coach until he takes over the position? I postulate that you really can’t, and those doing so are being unfair.
Phillips was a genius according to many when Woodson & Co. were here, and now he’s somehow insufficient? What has changed? Only one thing — the personnel.
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Simple question
other than Purdue, what major University has allowed a coach to name a sucessor? Follow up, where has that ever been successful?
I’ll hang up and listen to your answers?:-)
florida state for one...
and penn state, before its over…
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by memphis wildcat on Nov 30, 2009 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
thought you were just hanging up and listening....:)
not making a comment – just answering your question about major universities having a successor named….
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by memphis wildcat on Nov 30, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
Well, in addition to Florida state and FSU ...
… there is that little school down south and west — Texas. I’d say they’re major. But that’s just me.
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by Glenn Logan on Nov 30, 2009 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
Bitching about it wont change it
but its our right as fans to voice our displeasure in that situation as much or as often as we like. That’s about all we can do in this situation.
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Nov 30, 2009 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
Only up to a point.
Voicing displeasure is okay only up to a point. This is not a “vent” place. I allow some after tough losses, but I insist on rational discourse.
Persistent negativism is not allowed here. It is not productive, it hurts my traffic and it makes people want to shut up and not join the conversation. Anyone who has forgotten my rules against the bashing of or crusading against coaches needs to re-read the community guidelines.
So please keep in mind — criticism is fine, but let’s keep it in perspective.
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by Glenn Logan on Nov 30, 2009 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Good point!
And who recruited that personnel? I believe if you go back and check Brooks admits that class was primarily recruited by guy Morriss’ staff. With the exception of Tamme.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
Who developed them?
I’ll give you a hint — it wasn’t Morriss.
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by Glenn Logan on Nov 30, 2009 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
Tru -
here again, the brooks detractors have to make a decision – either he is a good coach or a good recruiter – he has to be at least one or the other…
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by memphis wildcat on Nov 30, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
While I Agree (Generally) That UK Won't Dominate SEC Like Florida Or Alabama
I think the right coach (maybe Joker) can and/or will take UK up a notch or two.
Brian Kelly at Cincinnati is an example of that. UC was decent under Rick Minter and better under Mark Dantonio but MUCH better under Kelly.
UC has one 10 W season in football before he came. UC added 3 more 10+ W seasons in the past 3 years.
by FortyYearCatFan on Nov 29, 2009 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
but did we win? No. Period. Moral victories aren’t good enough anymore, and last night wasn’t even one of those.
Go Cats and Go Canes!
by KentuckyCane on Nov 29, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
It was a loss.
There will be more. That’s football in the SEC.
If you think that UK will ever beat UT, Alabama, Georgia or Florida on a consistent basis, you are one of a very few. UK does not recruit at a high enough level to beat them consistently, and it is my position that we never will, at least, not in my lifetime.
I would like to see us get to where we can be in every game with them, just like we were last night. Some of those we will win, others we won’t.
What really pleases me this year is that UK was only uncompetitive in two games in the last three years, both to Florida. I think that will change when Tebow & Co. leave. That doesn’t mean we will beat them, necessarily, but I think the days of being uncompetitive with the top teams are on their way out, if not gone completely.
I postulated years ago that it is impossible to grow a football team from the levels of UK or Vanderbilt to a consistent championship competitor in the stony ground of the SEC, and I still believe it to be as true now as it seemed then. Nothing in the last five seasons, as successful as they have been, have convinced me otherwise.
Kentucky was one game away from second place in the SEC east this year, a game we almost won. That will have to be enough of a consolation.
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You don’t think that if Kentucky made some sort of big coaching hire for the football team we couldn’t suddenly land recruits that we couldn’t previously? (and this is NOT a diatribe about the Joker situation. I understand that’s done.) Just for shits and giggles, imagine for a moment that Lane Kiffin had come to UK to see what he could do with the football program? Or any other somewhat major name in football. Don’t you think that that could just be the thing to get us over this hump? I don’t expect so be competing for a national title in UK football, but I would like to see us go for an SEC title every now and then, or play in the game. I refuse to let being competitive in games be the only expectation I have. At that point, why even play the games? I’m tired of almost winning. I want to actually win. Coulda, shoulda, woulda is lame. Brooks has done an awesome job of waking the UK football faithful up and giving us something to be excited about. 4 years ago, needless to say, we wouldn’t even be close to trying to argue that being .500 in the SEC isn’t good enough. I’m grateful for that. But I want us to take the next step. We’re so close it hurts, and that means we’re close enough to do something about it. While there’s no reason to harp on about Joker, I will say this: he better be careful. It’s taken a ginormous struggle to get us to where we are right now. However, it will take very little to make UK fall into the basement of obscurity that we were once in…
Go Cats and Go Canes!
by KentuckyCane on Nov 29, 2009 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
If I may
What Brooks is doing is creating an environment for the future head coach. He is creating a school where people will want to come. That is why you have to look at this as a success. 7-5 is very respectable. Look, Uk coud by Vandy. One good season then one bad season. UK has had a very good season. He is creating a positive atmosphere for players to want to come. As Kentucky coninues to build the recruits will come. I have learned that football is alot harder to build a successful program then basketball and Brooks is trying to do in the toughest conference in the league. You must give him time. You have to understand the building process and take the “me” factor out of this. Its about the future of UK football.
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my 2 cents
I wouldn’t claim to have an especially brilliant understanding of UK’s potential in the SEC, but I have two points to offer for you guys to chew on:
1) if it is true that we do not get nearly the quality of recruits that the top SEC schools bring in every year, then wouldn’t it stand to reason that we would only be as competitive as we are now by good coaching? (i.e. shouldn’t we blame the problem on recruiting, not play calling?)
2) if gettting to the top of the SEC is attainable by hiring a big name coach, then what’s going on in South Carolina?
by Gobe Igbloo on Nov 29, 2009 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
Both great questions ...
… that none of Brooks’ and Phillips’ detractors can ever seem to answer. Nor do they try.
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correct....
by default, brooks and crew are either great coaches or great recruiters – i happen to believe they are very good recruiters and solid coaches. to me the miscues (losses) are due to coaches not lack of personnel..
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by memphis wildcat on Nov 30, 2009 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
Spurrier vs Brooks? That's a laugher
Has the Cats beaten Spurrier? Did he not play North Carolina State and Clemson this season, in the non conference part of the schedule?
Comparing Brooks to Spurrier and is a joke.
The contributors for the Gamecocks this year are all underclassmen.
Sorry, but you’ll have to look elsewhere to find someone else to compare Brooks to.
Recruiting? No way is a kid going to turn down a call from Spurrier to take one from Joker Phillips. He may not ending up at Columbia but he’ll take the call.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
Yeah, it's a joke.
Spurrier has done just sooo well at South Carolina. Who’s to blame? Somebody has to be, right? You say that Brooks is not as good as Spurrier, yet they hold similar records since 2005?
C’mon, Paris, Spurrier is great. South Carolina is a much more fertile recruiting ground than Kentucky, no doubt about it. Spurrier is a legend. And yet his record is no better than Brooks’ over the last four years.
Explain that if you can.
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by Glenn Logan on Nov 30, 2009 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
2005 should be 2006.
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by Glenn Logan on Nov 30, 2009 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
I'll do it
Ok, same record. Same caliber of schedule? Explain that if you can.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
A fair question.
They have played substantially the same competition every year.
Year SOS Kentucky SOS USC Rank UK Rank USC Record UK Record USC
2006 53.65 58.08 7 2 8-5 8-5
2007 56.17 58.47 4 2 8-5 6-6
2008 49.21 52.92 10 6 7-6 7-6
2009 45.75 50.92 5 9 7-5 7-5*
*Prior to bowl game.
In my opinion, SOS numbers with less than 5 points between them are insignificant. Your mileage may vary on that, but Brooks has still managed 2 more wins in the same time period than Spurrier has.
So strength of schedule could well have an impact on that, but at most, in my opinion, a couple of games over the whole period. It still doesn’t explain why Spurrier’s record at a much better football school is no better than Brooks’.
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by Glenn Logan on Nov 30, 2009 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
Let's break it down
Spurrier arrived in 2005.
Conference record 18-22
Brooks conf record for same period 14-26
More importantly head to head SC 5 KY 0
When did recruiting become only an instate thing?
With Brooks and Joker so well known I don’t think that would be a problem do you?
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
Recruiting has always been an "instate thing."
Why do you suppose Florida, Texas and LSU are so good?
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by Glenn Logan on Nov 30, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
The Weather?
J/k on that.
Texas or Florida have more Div I football prospects in a city or county than a state like Kentucky does in the entire state.
That’s Y.
by FortyYearCatFan on Nov 30, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Show me the rule you can’t go out of state and recruit.
Think maybe the kids in the other state might have actually heard of the coaching recruiting them?
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
No Such Rule
Brooks successfully recruited at Oregon (mostly out of state, I’d guess) and competed very well with traditional PAC-10 football powerhouses like USC, UCLA, or Washington.
by FortyYearCatFan on Nov 30, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
Well
I personally give Brooks and his staff credit for building depth at most postions. That said, the simple fact remains that the college schedule has expanded allowing more teams to buy victories. To be bowl eligible only requires 6 wins and if you’re buying 4 victories (assuming we can still beat Louisville with a new coach….we didn’t do so well there for awhile), then you only have to win 2 conference games out of 8 and suddenly you’ve had a great year. Did we exceed that this year? Certainly but how many times will we beat Auburn & Georgia on the road? Take away those 2 pleasent surprises and suddenly, we didn’t have a good year.
Living in Louisville, I see a lot of similarities between Spurrier and Pitino. You would expect both to have almost instant success but while they were away from college, their respective sports changed. Did Louisville hire the absolute best coach out there? In my opinion they did and I think the same could be said for SC. I wouldn’t bet against Pitino winning an NCAA at Louisville and I wouldn’t bet against Spurrier either……and he seems to have no problem beating us!!
Yes, but ...
… Spurrier got obliterated by UT and Florida — both games in which they were uncompetitive. UK was uncompetitive against Florida, but not UT. Not only that, he beat Vanderbilt in Columbia by 4 points, lost at Georgia where we won, and managed to beat UK at home by only two points.
Yeah, the ol’ Ball Coach is just running roughshod over the SEC these days.
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by Glenn Logan on Nov 30, 2009 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
At least he's on the pony
its those damn records again! Spurrier has beaten Florida and Tennessee, twice, since being there. You gotta watch out for the facts.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
"Take away those 2 pleasent surprises...."
Hold the phone there… You can’t take away “upset” wins to justify saying we didn’t have a good season anymore than you can take away “upset” loses to say we had an incredible season. We had a good season, period.
haha
i have friends who that all the time!
“Other than those two losses, we were undefeated!!”
GO BIG BLUE!! GO BIG BLUE!!
by UKWildCatFanatic on Nov 30, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
Gators Pad Poll Lead
UF is clearly #1 in AP Poll, Bama holds on to #2, TCU leapFrogs Bearcats.
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BCS Shakeout Begins
No defeats, no changes. Elimiination begins.
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-Confucius
I want to congratulate Kentucky on a great game Saturday
and a solid season. I may occassionally run my mouth to UK fans during basketball season (normally because I’m peeved we just lost to UK (again)), but I am impressed at how scrappy the Cats were on the football field this year, with some upset road wins and gritty games against UT and So Car. Saturday was a game that could’ve gone either way. If Dennis Rogan doesn’t make a game-saving tackle on your QB on the final drive at the 5 yard line, things would probably be different.
You guys thrilled us by whipping Georgia and Auburn on the road and have to take some pride in that. Go out and make the SEC proud by winning a fourth straight bowl game, and hopefully Tennessee and the rest of the SEC can take care of business as well.
Cannons... fire them.
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You know something
doesn’t Kentucky have the best bowl record over the last three years?
Kentucky bretheren united once again! Thanks Cal!
Great game, again
I think the East is going to be wide open next year, and I think UK is going to be right in the thick of it.
We clearly accept mediocrity at UK for football, let's just own it!
…. there are 119 DIv I college football teams, 64 play in bowls, 54%!!!!!. To compare, there are roughly 350 Div I basketball teams with only 97 making it either to the NIT or NCAA tournament. That’s 27%, so if we should be pleased to just make it to a bowl game and be in the top 54%, then, by that standard, we should have been thrilled to be in the top 27% when we rocked the NIT last year. There are clearly two different sets of expectations here. We are so apt to “settle” in football for things that would clearly be unheard of in basketball, among them letting coaches pick their successor on the way out the door.
I left TN and now I am back in the Bluegrass... just in time for Football and Keeneland! Life is great!
Some people ...
… just can’t enjoy success. Pity.
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... if success is being average
you are correct. I didn’t consider it a big success to graduate high school, because the majority of people do it, it was more a right of passage. That is not to sound conceited, just a simple mathematical truth. Therefore I don’t consider it a success to do what the majority of Div I college teams do, play in bowl games, it should be a right of passage for a university the size of UK. We should have to concern ourselves with what bowl game we are in, rather than the simple joy of being in one. I was at the game Saturday and I left very bitter because we have the athletes to compete, but we lack the coaching, more specifically the play calling, and unfortunately that same coaching staff is being allowed to choose our next coach and directly dictate our future. I certainly was not the only one saying this, it was the primary grumble coming from the swarms of blue all the way from the stadium to the car. We should never pat ourselves on the back and celebrate mediocrity, not just in sports, but in life in general. We should expect more from a multi-million dollar program with the “best fans in the SEC”. The AD finally figured it out in basketball because the call for change became deafening, maybe they’ll figure it out one day in football too, but certainly not by fans accepting mediocrity. Are we really the best fans, or the most forgiving fans?
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by sleepytimetea on Nov 30, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Is not "Average" a big step up from "Way below average?"
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I guess....
but I don’t see any improvement over the years, same thing year in and year out…. Music City Bowl, Liberty Bowl, another Music City Bowl, injuries galore (which often come from lack of preparation and not being in shape). confusion on the field and above all, a simple lack of emotion. I wish you could have seen UT on the sideline at the beginning of the 3rd quarter, or maybe you did. They were jumping around like crazy and were super excited to play. Meanwhile UK took the field as if in a daze and seemingly without purpose. It certainly didn’t look like they were ready to play the half they needed to in order to achieve something that hadn’t been done in 24 years. Simply put, we are more stagnant than improving, in my opinion and it’s time for an honest change, if our true goal is to really compete. If it’s to be average nationally and the bottom tier of our conference year in and year out, well, you get my point.
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by sleepytimetea on Nov 30, 2009 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry UKIvrJM
I was responding to Tru right above you!
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by sleepytimetea on Nov 30, 2009 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
You don't?
Well, let me help you.
This year, we were competitive in every game but one — Florida. Back in 2006, we were uncompetitive in three games. 2007, we were competitive in every game. In 2008, we were uncompetitive in one and marginally uncompetitive in another. This year, we were only uncompetitive once, and arguably could have won two more games (unlike last year or the year before).
What I see here is consistency, which is the first step toward improvement. You have to be consistently competitive before you can begin to win the “should have won” games.
Which bowl game we go to matters far less, in terms of progress, than what I have discussed above.
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that's why I love this blog....
You are an incredible, unrelenting optimist. I honestly admire it. I wish I were. I can’t judge games by competitive and marginally competitive and so on. I judge them by W’s and L’s, the way that Billy Gillispie was often judged here, the way that Charlie Weis was judged at Notre Dame, (also the way the AP, Coaches and BCS polls judge). In the words of the great Vince Lombardi, “If it doesn’t matter who wins or loses, then why do they keep score?”
You are right on when it comes to consistency, however. Is there any other team that has appeared at the same bowl game 3 times in the past five years? Well, Florida stands a good to great chance of getting to the BCS Championship bowl for the third time in five years, so to the optimistic eye, we are definitely in good company!
I wish I could agree with "Which bowl game we go to matters far less, in terms of progress, than what I have discussed above, " but it simply isn’t true. What bowl game we play in, if any, is the only way to judge how our team has progressed, so nothing really matters more. There is simply no other concrete way to say that this UK team is better than the 2006/2007 Music City Bowl team that went 7-5 than for it to go to a better bowl game and/or have a better record. History will document them as being very similar, if not identical. This also applies to the 2005/2006 team. The 2008/2009 team played in an equal to less respected bowl and had a record of 6-6. Now we are 7-5 and most probably back in the MCB. It doesn’t matter that we lost to UT in overtime this year as opposed to late in the fourth quarter last year, or we were really competitive this time as opposed to only marginally competitive previously. What does matter is that we have lost to them 25 years in a row now and unfortunately, that is the epitome of consistency. I love to read your posts and your articles are very insightful, but I simply cannot agree with you that there has been any real improvement in this team since the 05/06 season, just new athletes who are unfortunately confined to a notch above a .500 system, but thanks for the help anyway. :)
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by sleepytimetea on Dec 1, 2009 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
Well ...
You are an incredible, unrelenting optimist. I honestly admire it. I wish I were. I can’t judge games by competitive and marginally competitive and so on. I judge them by W’s and L’s, the way that Billy Gillispie was often judged here, the way that Charlie Weis was judged at Notre Dame, (also the way the AP, Coaches and BCS polls judge). In the words of the great Vince Lombardi, "If it doesn’t matter who wins or loses, then why do they keep score?"
I judge them that way, too. Take a look at the last four years’ wins and losses. Then compare them to any four years prior to 2006 you want. Feel free to go way back if you want to.
On a wins/losses basis, this staff wins hands down. I think you are just annoyed we aren’t improving faster, and I understand that frustration – it’s normal. But this is not the Big East or Conference USA. Improvement in this conference will be incremental, if it can be created at all. I think that’s the piece you are not including in your puzzle.
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I Take These 5 Years (1949 Through 1953) For $100, Please (Jeopardy ?)
… Kentucky’s final AP poll rankings under Bryant included #11 in 1949, #7 in 1950, #15 in 1951, #20 in 1952 and #16 in 1953 …
by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 1, 2009 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
Sort of my point.
That’s how long it’s been since there was anything comparable.
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not to keep nitpicking,
but I would hardly compare the 2005-2009 Cats to the #11, #7,#15, #20 and #16 Cats of the late 40’s, early 50’s. I understand wholeheartedly that Brooks took our program from nothing to marginally something…. five years ago. I struggle to see any improvement since.
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by sleepytimetea on Dec 3, 2009 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
Hey y'all
Not trying to come over and stir up trouble, but only 27% win their bowl game. And you’ve done that three years in a row (and if Saturday night is any indication, you’ll be winning your fourth shortly). Of course you want to compete for SEC titles, but the East is crowded, and you’re not known as a football school. Look at the trouble Spurrier has had at South Carolina. He keeps making bowls, but it’s tough to consistently topple UT, UF, and UGA. He’s 2-3 against UT and 1-4 each against Georgia and Florida. That’s 4-11. Since Brooks turned the corner, he’s 2-10 against those three. Worse, but not a lot worse. Success doesn’t come all at once. Take the improvement, and keep improving. Take down South Carolina and establish yourselves as the main challenger to the traditional East hierarchy. Hell, with how you’ve done against UGA recently, you may be able to establish yourselves as SEC East #3. All of a sudden, when you’re winning bowls every year and going 3-2 in SEC East play, you’re getting within striking distance of championships.
by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 30, 2009 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
People just hate
simple logic!!! – especially since when it comes from a UT fan…..
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on Nov 30, 2009 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
Same song and dance
Brooks is 6 and 29 against the Eastern Division teams. Remove little brother, Vandy and its 2 and 26.
Bowls, if you only need to win two conference games to get there I think we can do it. But what if Louisville actually gets serious and they become competitive again? We pounded a terrible Cardinal team this year by four. If they should sneak up on us then we have to win three in conference.
But Ole Mitch is going to bring in the worst he can find, let’s already put down Charleston Southern for next year, and two more in the same caliber of those two to excite the masses. Do we need these games to go bowling? Damn right we do. Its flustrating but I don’t see up moving up in the conference next year. Auburn might just be a little better. Miss State seems to be on the path to respectibility. I don’t think we’re going to scare any one in the conference. Next year we drop Alabama and pick up Ole Miss at Oxford. That should be easy don’t you think?
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
Yeah, Paris, same song and dance.
From you.
The tune is:
Negative negative negative Brooks Phillips Barnhart negative
Negative negative negative Brooks Phillips Barnhart negative
Negative negative negative Brooks Phillips Barnhart negative
Refrain:
Negative Brooks
Negative Barnhart
Negative Phillips
Spurrier Spurrier Spurrier
Negative UK
Second verse, same as the first.
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by Glenn Logan on Nov 30, 2009 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
Let me add something positive then
…..I think it’s REALLY positive that so many are on here still posting on football rather than just forgetting it until the day before whatever bowl we play!!
If Coach Brooks has done anything….it’s to make more fans care about UK football and that’s a POSITIVE!!!
Yep, that's me
You got that right!
Good for you.
Let’s see. 15 championships in seven years. Said on December 9th 2008. Total please?
Brought in a coach who was going to take the program to great heights. NIT, and 3 million later.
Brooks, beats up on the weakest nonconference teams we can play and whines about why we don’t get respect.
Joker? Where is our offense constantly rated? In the bottom half of the teams in the country. And he’s our hand picked successor to lead the Cats.
Spurrier, a winner. No problems with the NCAA. He goes into every game with a chance to win. Plays a non conference schedule that is commendable.
You? Another song and dance
Brooks is a winner, four straight bowls when over half the teams are going. HAS to win the buy games to get there.
Brooks is a winner, was tickled to death with a 6-6 season and finishing last in the East in 2008
Brooks is a winner, 2 and 28 in the SEC East minus Vandy
Negative on Spurrier. Has nvever lost to the Cats.
Same old rah, rah for a program that has now finished next to last this year and last in 2008.
We should hope we get someone who has put up the number of wins he has.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
But we won't.
We should hope we get someone who has put up the number of wins he has.
At least, not for a while.
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by Glenn Logan on Nov 30, 2009 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
And that's because --------
Back to the same as always
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
you have got to let the Charleston Southern example go..
that is who UF opened with this year….
that being said, i will agree that our OCS is weaker than it used to be. The biggest difference is moving Indiana off the schedule – i know they are not a big ten power, but we seemed to split with them – or at least not dominate.
got a feeling the UL situation is about to change – although i may be giving them too much credit for being able to hire a new coach of quality…
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on Nov 30, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
Joker's Seat Warms Up
John Clay poses the question: Is UK’s succession plan still guaranteed to succeed?
"Learn(ing) without thinking begets ignorance. Think(ing) without learning is dangerous."
-Confucius
My answer:
No.
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Nov 30, 2009 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
never was guaranteed to succeed...
was just guaranteed to happen….
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on Nov 30, 2009 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
Same answer on succeed
even without “guaranteed.”
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Nov 30, 2009 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
On that...
… I think you’re dead wrong.
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by Glenn Logan on Nov 30, 2009 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
I hope so.
I’m never sorry to be wrong when it comes to UK success of any kind. Believe me!
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Nov 30, 2009 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Was it ever "guaranteed?"
Not a chance.
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by Glenn Logan on Nov 30, 2009 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
This loss is on Joker Phillips
How you do not give the ball to one of your two best players at the end of regulation I’ll never know. And the sweep with Newton with no John Connor? Unforgivable.
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
The explaination that was given ...
… was that Cobb was simply too exhausted. They had to give him an intravenous IV at half time, and they ran the guy to exhaustion. Cobb would never admit to that, but I will give the coaches the benefit of the doubt on that call, even if others won’t. We don’t really see what happens down there, and they know more about the condition of the team than I do, or at least I hope so.
I think this argues more for running Cobb less at wide receiver, and more in the Wildcat. I think that the coaches should have managed his time on the field a bit better. After all, he only caught a couple of passes. Maybe he’s a great decoy, but given the state of our passing game, that’s hard to argue.
I sometimes wonder if Cobb’s threat as a receiver is somewhat overstated. In football, you just cant have these guys run every down like that. The mind may be willing, but the body just doesn’t respond.
Not only that, but without Connor in to block for them, Cobb and Locke were struggling to find a crease, and were getting hit very hard, over and over.
Cobb is not as durable a player as everyone would like to believe, and he and Locke have really taken a physical pounding this season. We are lucky to have them both more or less healthy. When you’re 5’10" or less, 185# or less, SEC football is just going to beat you up brutally. It’s a lot different when you are build like John Connor. I think their physical condition toward the end of the game was a big influence. Maybe it shouldn’t have been, but that’s a call I can’t make from the television set.
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by Glenn Logan on Nov 30, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
I have no doubt Cobb was worn out
At the same time, you have to at least line him up back there, even if you hand off to Locke. The threat of him carrying the ball would open up the defense.
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
I see your point though
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
I agree.
I am just going to assume that they had their reasons, and that they were good ones. That could be wrong for all I know, I am just going by what I have read.
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As far as Newton trying to run a sweep without Connor available ...
… I can’t really disagree with you that was a questionable call at best. Of course, even Locke would have struggled under those conditions. I guess we’ll never know what the thinking was there.
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by Glenn Logan on Nov 30, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
If I'm not
mistaken…..it was the same play to the other side that they called against Miss. St. where Newton was stopped and then just threw the ball up and Miss. St. intercepted it. The Freshman learned from his mistake and took the tackle so we’d at least have a field goal attempt against UT. Unfortunately, maybe the coaches didn’t learn.
The play ...
… almost worked. Locke made a good block but not good enough. Rogan was able to shed it just enough to make the play.
Imagine if that had been Connor instead of Locke. Rogan would have been watching Newton take it in from his backside. I have no idea how we are going to replace him.
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by Glenn Logan on Nov 30, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
yea and if we kicked the field goal in over time we might have held them to the same.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
Maybe.
Who knows?
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by Glenn Logan on Nov 30, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Was the great bunch of Woodson etc mainly from KY?
Does Kentucky keeep the best in the state? Until we convince them to stay here we don’t have a leg to stand on when it comes to comparing ours to any program with regards to instate recruiting.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
There are good and bad years in Kentucky football.
Couch’s year was a good year. It happens occasionally, but not like at Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Texas, or California, just to give a few examples.
I honestly don’t know why Kentucky doesn’t grow better football and basketball talent. It just doesn’t.
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Think maybe its the level of coaches they go after in each sport?
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
BYE
well, you guys figure it out. I’ve got some stuff to do.
If, after you find away we won the game, let me know.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
Brooks
has got this program running in the right direction. He is not going backwards but forwards. That my friends is a good thing not a bad thing.
Kentucky bretheren united once again! Thanks Cal!
Indeed.
Every year, we get a little closer. I thought the dam might break this year, but alas.
We were uncompetitive only once this year, and only once last year, in a conference that has had three national champions in the last three years, and will have a representative in the BCS championship (at least) this year.
Compare that to the 20+ years before, and you could almost never say that.
In my book, that is real progress you can measure. And in the right direction, as you say.
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Headed in the right direction...
Yes. But it was still a poorly coached game Saturday. As I said last week and was nearly booed away, we have won several games in the past three seasons simply because our talent level is much greater than it once was. I think Brooks is pretty average. We played one really good game this year-Auburn. Outside of that, we won on having more talent(Eastern, Louisville, Vandy for example) and finally some luck (Georgia). We had chances over the past three years to breakout. Broken record time: We went in the tank after beating LSU and have let three good chances to beat UT go by. Right direction is good, results are better. We lost a lot more than a game Saturday and it could/should have been different. Somebody has to answer for that, expectations aside.
I don't agree.
I think one or two calls could be questioned. I think the rest of it was coached just fine.
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I don't know
UT called the same play time and time again, we hardly ever got out of the base 4-3, blitzed linebackers or the secondary. We called the same plays in the second half without any wrinkles, i.e. handoffs to Locke out of the Wildcat, more passes from Cobb. We played too conservative after getting the fourth q fumble…those were just the most glaring. It’s no mystery that our interior d hasn’t been able to stop the run all year. Seems like we’d be willing to take a chance defensively every now and then.
This game along with the SC game
had some headscratching play calling but this is not unique to UK. Playcalling is always a great point of contention in losses. You could pick any team with at least two losses (high school, college or pro) and there is going to be some comment by the fanbase criticizing the coaching and/or playcalling, sometimes justified sometimes not. Even “good” coaches have bad days, check out Les Miles vs Ole Miss a couple weeks ago, Jim Tressle vs SEC, Pete Carrol vs Oregon, etc.
I agree
Didn’t we move up from sixth to fifth in the Eastern Division?
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
Yeah I know
It was funny, my dad just yelled something and left at the end of the UT game and went to sleep. He’s a big Brooks supporter. So the next day at lunch we were debating it and he was saying it wasn’t that big of a deal, though like me he hates UT more than anyone else on the schedule, until I told him we’re being projected again to go the Music City Bowl. He just rolled his eyes and changed the subject. Like I said, we lost more than just a game Saturday, I don’t think everybody really realizes the bowl game we were looking at compared to where we’ll be. I just don’t buy the “well, we didn’t expect to win 7 games” argument. If I made 50k a year as an investor, made a couple of good choices and made 60k this year, but could have made 120k but I made a bone head decision, I should still be pretty mad even though I did better than expected, if that makes any sense.
The bowl game...
… is not the thing. Improvement is incremental. The bigger bowls will come.
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Weis Gone
As expected Charlie Weis is reported to have been let go by Notre Dame; Jimmy Claussen likely to declare for NFL.
"Learn(ing) without thinking begets ignorance. Think(ing) without learning is dangerous."
-Confucius
Hello Brian Kelly......
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
You sure Urban won't take a look at that position??
After all, 75% of his offense is gone after this year…
If your wings don't sweep....
That's what I was thinking
He has two titles in Florida, why not? Don’t think it’s likely but it wouldn’t surprise me.
One never know...
Here’s what he says… Brother-in-law and I were talking about this over Turkey Day. As you stated, what’s he got to lose??
If your wings don't sweep....
Tough Job
He might go. If its his dream job.,
Who would Florida go after?
Great state to recruit in, One of the best jobs in football.
Notre Dame is what Kentucky use to be in basketball. . Of course we are back now, especially since we play the dribble drive offense.
Everyone wants to beat Notre Dame and there is not regard for what you’re record is. Beating them can make you season. See Navy.
The guy who goes there has a target on his back as soon as he takes the job.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
Certainly agree with the target on the back...
Spurrier?? LOL Brain Kelly, prolly…. Urban was an up-and-comer at Utah when he was hired, why not Kelly out of Sin-City?? Similiar situations…
If your wings don't sweep....
Watch out!
Didn’t Joker coach there? I bet he’s on the short list. JOKING!
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
Spurrier will not be considered for a nanosecond.
I doubt if his name will come up.
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