Tennessee @ Kentucky 2009: What it Means
Kentucky fans often think of the Tennessee Volunteers and Kentucky Wildcats as rivals, and in many ways, that's true. Among the northernmost SEC schools, Tennessee and Kentucky have more in common with each other than they do with the rest of the teams in the SEC. That similarity produces a natural sense of rivalry, along with the fact that both states share a long border and are culturally similar.
But sports rivalries generally require a competitive situation, a case in which both teams win. Rivalries become "cold" when faced with long stretches of futility, like the current 24 - year stretch in which the 'Cats have not managed a single victory against the Volunteers. There have been many competitive games in that period -- in fact, if you discount the period between 1992 and 2000, Kentucky has been competitive in almost every game. Competitive, but losers every time.
Today, UK hopes to begin the revival of what used to be a thriving and acrimonious rivalry back in the 1950's and 1960's. To do that, this long streak of losses against the Vols must come to an end. UK doesn't have to dominate Tennessee in order to begin the revival, although a domination would go a long way toward making this a rivalry faster.
To get everyone in the spirit of the game, below you will find Ken and I talking With Will and Joel of Rocky Top Talk about the game earlier this week. I meant to put this up earlier, but unfortunately, the Cancun Challenge dominated most of our attention this week, and there are only so many blogging hours in the day. But excuses aside, here we go:
Be sure to give it a listen, I think you will find it interesting.
More after the jump.
Over at Rocky Top Talk, Will has a terrific article about the futility Kentucky has suffered (as well as some of Tennessee's best moments) over the last 24 years. These aren't the 48-0 blowouts, but the really competitive games like the 52-50 overtime loss the last time the Vols brought the Big Orange into Commonwealth Stadium. Here is a taste of some of the memories Will offers up:
2004: #15 Tennessee 37 - Kentucky 31 (Knoxville)
With freshman Erik Ainge having gone down against Notre Dame two weeks earlier, the Vols found life difficult with Rick Clausen under center: after losing to the Irish and surviving 38-33 against Vanderbilt, the Vols were pushed to the limit by Kentucky. The offense put up plenty of numbers - 606 yards on the afternoon - but Clausen's pick six gave Kentucky a 17-7 second quarter lead. The Cats led 24-22 at halftime, then got a huge score to make it 31-22 going to the fourth quarter. But the Vols used a trick play, with CJ Fayton passing to Robert Meachem, to set up one fourth quarter score, then went 60 yards in four minutes to finish the job via a Gerald Riggs touchdown run, 12 yards with 12 seconds left.
That was a classic example of a game Kentucky should have won, but the trick play took all the wind out of their sails and they collapsed in the end, instead of coming out victorious.
In a way, today's game represents a validation of the 2009 season. I don't mean that the rest of the season is meaningless without this win -- to the contrary. Kentucky has three SEC victories, every one of them on the road, and two against teams that are most often ranked somewhere in the top 25 in the country -- in fact, both Georgia and Auburn have been ranked this year. Winning on the road in the SEC, particularly against teams of that quality, is a feat usually reserved for the division champion.
But UK has been futile against the SEC in Commonwealth this year, and it's hart to argue that a truly great season can be composed of a 0-for-the-SEC record in your home stadium. As recent Kentucky teams go, this team is perhaps as good as the 2006 team with a loss today, clearly better than last year, but not as good as 2007. With a win today, UK would manage eight wins in the regular season for the first time since 1984 (ironically the same year we last defeated the Vols), but it must be said that there were only 11 games in those days, and UK went 8-3.
Even with a loss today, this team will be remembered for all the road victories, breaking a long streak of losses to Auburn, and defeating Georgia between the hedges for the first time since 1977. This team has accomplished a lot, and contributed a lot to Kentucky history, including the third straight defeat of Louisville.
Another subtext to this game is Tennessee native Randall Cobb, who's legend at Kentucky seems on a trajectory similar to that of Tim Couch. Couch, of course, was a Kentucky boy and one of the best players ever to put on the Blue and White, but Cobb is from Alcoa High in Alcoa Tennessee, just a few miles from Knoxville. As everyone knows, Cobb wanted to go to UT, but the Vols ignored him until long after he had accepted an offer from Kentucky. When Fulmer & Co. finally did offer, Randally Cobb stuck with his commitment and turned down the Volunteers.
If Kentucky does defeat Tennessee in Commonwealth Stadium today, it will likely be in no small part due to Randall Cobb, and he may become one of the most legendary players that Kentucky has produced. Cobb may be crowding out some other guys, like Derrick Locke and the entire offensive line (which is arguably the best o-line at Kentucky in so many years I can't even remember), but someone will always emerge as the media and fan darling. Cobb fits that bill to a "T."
So ladies and gentlemen of the Big Blue Nation, lets get ready for some FOOTBALL, and hopefully, some history.
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Great podcast
Tru and Ken. Even a lot of Randall Cobb love from the “other” side too. Football and basketball support being shared is really great.
We have one more monkey to get off our back today against UT. 24 years is long enough. :-)
GO CATS !!
Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!
So true...
To be “respectable”, we gotta end these streaks… We’ve killed a couple this year, let’s get “the biggie” today!
GO CATS
In the immortal words of Ron White’s dog Spike, “It’s gonna be a good day!!” :-)
If your wings don't sweep....
I will be at the game!!
I totally agree, 24 years is plenty long enough. Here’s hoping I get to see this one brought to an end tonight! GO CATS!!!
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Nov 28, 2009 1:08 PM EST reply actions
Kragthorpe Gone
ESPN reporting that Craig Kragthorpe has been fired at UL. Prospective replacements include Fulmer, Tuberville, Strong and Sumerlin.
"Learn(ing) without thinking begets ignorance. Think(ing) without learning is dangerous."
-Confucius
This is the year!
Defeat the streak and spend New Year’s in Tampa!
by Thomas Hunt Morgan on Nov 28, 2009 2:06 PM EST reply actions
TV
The game is listed as start time TBA and TV TBA. Does anyone know the TV schedule?
I hope not...
Family is highly irritated because if it is on ESPNU then we can’t watch it! UK site has it listed as TBA so I’m hoping someone picks it up. Locally Fox SPorts South and CSS are playing Baylor at Texas Tech and Middle TN State at Louisiana Monroe????? UGH!
by mark12kentucky on Nov 28, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
ESPN's website
says it is going to be on ESPNU at 7pm. So I guess we wait to see at this point. :-)
GO CATS !!
Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!
At this point
we’re searching restaurants to find one that has that channel or getting a hotel room that carries that channel. Seriously!
by mark12kentucky on Nov 28, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
The big "national tv exposure" ruse
yes, one has to learn to read carefully the verbiage released after vetting by the attorneys and public relations agents:
“At the core of our agreement is the fact that every SEC-controlled football game will be available to SEC fans throughout the conference territory, and indeed the country, via an ESPN platform or through our partners”
Instead of meaning “now you will get to see every game”
it actually means
“now ESPN/ABC/Disney corporation controls every game”
and rightfully so, because they paid good money to ensure nobody else brings you this game.
where is the improvement?
SEC FINAL WEEK…..2008…..2009
Miss St – Ole Miss…..raycom…SECnet
LSU – Arkansas…….CBS……ESPN
Auburn – Alabama….CBS……CBS
Florida – Fla State…..ESPN/ABC.CBS
UK – Tennessee……ESPN2….ESPNU
Georgia – Ga Tech…CBS……ESPN/ABC
S Car – Clemson……ESPN2….ESPN
Vandy – Wake Forest.ESPNU….no game
I live in Jackson
Its on here. We have JEA though. Not sure which network you have.
Kentucky bretheren united once again! Thanks Cal!
JEA
but not that package. We found it online at justintv. Ridiculous that its not allowed on other channels. In TN and many people won’t be able to see the game despite a ton of UK and UT fans. Could only find in restaurant or bar that carries ESPNU.
by mark12kentucky on Nov 28, 2009 5:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
JEA
but not that package. We found it online at justintv. Ridiculous that its not allowed on other channels. In TN and many people won’t be able to see the game despite a ton of UK and UT fans. Could only find in restaurant or bar that carries ESPNU.
by mark12kentucky on Nov 28, 2009 5:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That's what my guide says...
Also, the UK Athletics site has it on ESPNU at 7:00 Eastern…. Let’s hope it’s that way, I’ve got a dinner about that time and have set the DVR. Been burned doing this once already this fall, hopefully not this time!!
GO BLUE!!
If your wings don't sweep....
Mike Strange at
GoVolsXtra.com has this to say about today’s game…
Tennessee at KentuckyLooks good to me ….
I went into the week with a gut feeling this would be Kentucky’s year. UT’s 24-game winning streak against the Cats is remarkable. Kentucky, in the Jared Lorenzen and Andre Woodson years, had enough horses to end that streak somewhere along the line. But the Vols have been resourceful, always finding a way to tough out and win in the end. By now, the law of averages has been stretched about to the breaking point. But as the week progresses, the return of Janzen Jackson is altering that gut feeling a bit. I can see Tennessee is due for a good game. The Vols haven’t played a complete game since South Carolina on Halloween. If LaMarcus Thompson and Marsalous Johnson are both back, the defense won’t be nearly so rag-tag. Lane Kiffin thinks Alcoa’s Randall Cobb could be a 14- to 21-point swing factor, being that he could score for Kentucky instead of Tennessee. This is a really tough call. Think I’ll go with the law of averages, though.
Kentucky 24, Tennessee 22.
He has his other picks for the SEC rivalry games too. Including new uniforms for Tebow and company supposedly to make them faster. Does Urban Meyer think they are slow now? LOL…. Well, they don’t have Cobb and Locke on their side. :-)
Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!
I'm not expecting a win tonight
But it would sure be nice. It would be great!
Not that it’s important, but I think these are the “northernmost” SEC schools after Kentucky:
- Univ of Arkansas
- Vanderbilt
Yeah, I guess so.
Seems they are just a tiny bit farther north than Knoxville.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
You
hit the nail right on the head for me. See, I grew up in the 80’s. Kentucky football wasn’t something I watched that much. Kentucky basketball was what I lived and breathed. Tennessee wasn’t much of a threat for us in basketball so I never really had a hatred of Tennessee. Most of my family grew up in Tennessee for generations on my mom’s side. My dad side grew up in Kentucky. I lived in Kentucky through most of my school years but all of my adult life has been in Tennessee. My husband is a huge Tennessee fan so I have watched them over the years and have grown to love them. I just don’t see this as a rivalry football wise. Down here, we dislike two teams and that is Alabama and Florida. Florida especially for us “newbie” Tennessee fans. Kentucky is just never a real threat football wise. Now come basketball season, Kentucky is hated down here.
Kentucky bretheren united once again! Thanks Cal!

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