Kentucky Wildcats 73, Stanford Cardinal 65 (OT) -- Postmortem
by Glenn Logan on Nov 26, 2009 12:24 AM EST
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PrintFor the first time all season, I had my doubts about a game that the Wildcats were behind in. But my fears proved groundless.
Congratulations to the Stanford Cardinal for an outstanding game. The Cardinal executed their game plan brilliantly, and but for the liquid helium in John Wall's veins, would likely have had them some Wildcat fricassee for an early Thanksgiving dinner. But alas for the Cardinal, they missed two critical free throws at crunch time that cost them a major upset. But if there is such a thing as a moral victory, this surely was one for Johnny Dawkins' young squad.
For Kentucky, this bullet-dodging is becoming a habit. One of these days, the bullet is going to connect. But not today.
I distinctly recall John Calipari telling all of us that it would be this way. He said it more than once. None of us really believed it, but this game made a believer out of me.
In the end, there were two things that made this win possible -- the crazy self-confidence of these young, talented players, and the fact that these guys do not get upset when the chips are down -- they get focused. That's something Coach Cal can build on.
More after the jump.
Here are my observations for this game:
- Did you notice that Coach Cal scrapped the dribble-drive motion in favor of a low and high-low post-up game? That is the sign of a confident coach who doesn't feel like he has to win or lose by his innovation. Calipari plays to win, and when he saw that Stanford could not handle UK's post players, they got lots and lots of touches.
- Great game by Ramon Harris. If he could only make open shots, he would be incredible. As it is, he really sets the tone for effort and selfless play.
- What can I say about John Wall? He isn't just a cool customer, he is an infectious personality and a peerless athlete. His free throws to tie the game would have been hard for a senior, yet he made them as though he were shooting alone in the gym.
- Daniel Orton was not that effective tonight. He just looked a step slow.
- I took DeMarcus Cousins' name in vain several times tonight. He really needs work, and not just on his free-throw shot. He nearly cost us the game with a foolish three and an equally foolish charge. But he will get better, and he's already pretty good most of the time -- as he was for most of the game tonight.
- I was really impressed with Eric Bledsoe's effort on defense tonight. He really worked hard, and hit an, "Oh, no, don't ... Yess!" shot at the end that was huge.
- Patrick Patterson was unstoppable. I imagine if we had him for more of the first half, this game would likely not have been as difficult.
- A cameo for Darnell Dodson, but he was not effective. At least we know he is still alive.
- I'm putting out a missing person's report on DeAndre Liggins. I think he has been kidnapped by space aliens.
- Great game by Darius Miller. He was everywhere, and made big shots and free throws.
- What I liked: The 'Cats never gave up, and I thought John Calipari did a fine job on the bench tonight against some stiff competition from an up-and-coming Johnny Dawkins (Dookie though he was).
- What I hated: UK's decision making -- it was singularly awful. Also the fact that Stanford out-hustled us all game long, and it showed. Offensive rebounds by the Cardinal were a large part of the reason they got this game into overtime.
This UK team is still a work in progress, and Stanford has given everyone a blueprint on how to beat Kentucky. Until this young team learns to make good decisions with the ball and play more as a team instead of five guys with skill, they are going to be vulnerable to teams that execute sharply.
The good news is, this is a great tape. It will give Coach Cal a ton of things to show his team, and was a great lesson all around. Stanford reminded me of Kentucky last year when they were executing well. It just goes to show you that winning at basketball isn't just about style and athleticism, it's about sharpness of mind, hustle, and a good game plan.
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my main comment --
is i thought the plan was to have PP down low at crunch time – the one time we did it worked, then cousins came back in…especially when their taller guys fouled out, PP could have gone to work.
ramon and wall were the stars tonight….
Happy Thanksgiving ASOB family!!!
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on Nov 26, 2009 12:30 AM EST reply actions
Was a lot of fun to watch, from the competition side
Now I can never get rid of this hat…..!!!!……John Wall has been everything he was advertised to be so far…..and man was he something with the game on the line…..Ouick note to AD’s office: NEVER GO BACK TO CANCUN!!!!
We should have been in Maui…..not Vandy…..I really never thought we were out of it, but we just couldnt take advantage of their mistakes.
Enjoy the Holiday everyone…..I gotta go lower my blood pressure.
Remember, we're having fun now!!!
Oh
my I am just furious……………why are we even sniffing at Cancun? Kentucky does not belong there. Sorry. I know its snobby but sorry we just don’t belong there. We will be in Maui in 2010.
Kentucky bretheren united once again! Thanks Cal!
NEVER GO BACK TO CANCUN!!!!-Agreed
The gym is a ballroom. The announcer are the DJs at Carlos & Charlies and the Refs double as the lifeguards.
Had to be fun for the kids though.
Beam me up Liggins
Does anyone know why he’s getting so much pine time? Is it just a not working hard in practice thing or what?
Anyway, I have a love-hate relationship with these types of games…. they cause both excitement and heart attacks!
Because
I have watched Cal’s teams the past few years and watched him talk to the press the past few years while he was in Memphis……..I took him serious when he said it would be sloppy. I told yall earlier that some losses will be expected by January. I thought tonight would be the first one. I was wrong. Glad to be wrong though. But still, I hope that they understand that they lucked out tonight. They cannot continue to rely on John Wall every game.. I was very disappointed in Cousins. He obviously screwed up by not listening to Coach when he missed those foul shots on purpose. My friends that is what bothers me the most about any player and that is they won’t listen. Cuz seems to be learning who is boss and coach Cal will tell him who is boss.
John Wall is a great person/player. I loved how he pulled his Kentucky jersey up…… his attitude is “its not about me but Kentucky”. I LOVE THAT! That was a nailbiter and a good one but I feel that next Saturday against NC will be real critical. We are too close with these no name teams.
Kentucky bretheren united once again! Thanks Cal!
Which Cuz was it tonight?
It wasn’t Big Cuz or Bad Cuz…..or wait……was it Bad Cuz? Because he was bad. I really like him though, he’s just gotta mature. He’ll learn from these silly mistakes.
For sure BAD Cuz
he does need time to mature. We really need him to do it fast though!
Kentucky bretheren united once again! Thanks Cal!
The clown
who ranted on here about how much he hated Ramon Harris must be having a real crisis about now. Walls was clutch with those freethrows that got us to OT and Harris came up with several key plays in the final 5 minutes. Hard to say you are a wildcat fan when you pull against your own players. I suggest this individual mark this one down as an L on his schedule just to save his own face (or spite it).
Harris ... A big key to this W
In a game where Stanford was really out hustling us for boards, Harris was a difference maker.
Check the box score …. Rebounds – PP had 11, Harris had 7, Cousins only 5.
Additionally, He is a near lock down defender. He had 7 points but expect that to increase as he will likely be getting more Playing Time.
I'll take a W...
Random thoughts:
Free Throws… We gotta get better at the line! Memphis will agree, that’s a trademark of a Cal team and it’s something that has to be addressed…
We got beat on the boards tonight… Trying to figure out why?? Focus, will, determination??
And speaking of those items, a couple of time out there we just looked (to borrow a line from the game comments) like we had cement in our shoes! Lost alot of 50-50 balls… Lots of standing around looking for a clue card…
Ups… Harris, and speaking of cement, is it for the team! Tons o’ heart! Wall has ice in his veins, no doubt. Stuart Scott says it best, “as cool as the other side of the pillow”.
I’m sure the guys will travel back tomorrow, nice way to celebrate T-Day… 3 straight days of practice, let’s see what we get with UNC Asheville. Bottom line, the Cats never quit, never gave up; execution you can teach, heart you can’t and they showed they got it tonight!!
Happy Thanksgiving to the ASOB crowd, safe travels, Godspeed…
If your wings don't sweep....
We did not get beat on the boards. We killed them
It just seemed that we got beat cause of the timing of their rebounds. Like late in the game and stuff. But over all we almost had as much D. rebs (37) than they did total (39)
by BleedinUKBlue on Nov 26, 2009 1:45 AM EST up reply actions
Hmmm...
Gonna have to agree with ya on the timing thing… But, I don’t know that we “killed” ‘em, box score tells a different story. My KY math says we only got 10 more boards than they did, unless I’m reading the stats wrong, which is possible… The two 6’-10 guys Standord has only played 12 minutes, all the rest of the time, they were 6’-8 and under. With PPat, Ramon, Orton & Cuz in there, I think the margin should be a bit bigger, but hey, YMMV! :-)
68% from the line is not cutting it, it’s going to cost us a ball game, ala Memphis…
But, it’s a W and I’ll be happy with that!! :-)
If your wings don't sweep....
I thought they shot great from the line...
Aside from Cousins. Wall was 8-8 and Miller was 4-5
You're right...
But as a team, they were 17-25, 68%… 75-80% is good “team” FT shooting.
If your wings don't sweep....
Take Cousins numbers out of there...
and they are 15-17, 88%. It’s misleading to say they are a poor FT shooting “Team” when the issue is only one player.
No... Not really...
Team was 17-25, take out Cousins 3-8 and you’re left with 14-17, which is ~82%… Yes, that is good, but look at the individual stats:
Cuz: 3-8
PPat: 1-2
Harris: 1-2
Those three offset Miller & Walls contribution… When those guys are on the floor, they are part of the “team”, so their numbers have to count. I wasn’t talking about individual stats, and I try not to pick on any one player. The “team” loses, or the “team” wins… That’s all I’m trying to say….
If your wings don't sweep....
Still lovin' Cuz. ; )
Not too sure that ill-advised 3 of his (and yes, that was an incredibly ill-advised 3, what the heck was he thinking?? ) and his late missed free throws are what would have cost us the game as I happen to think that there were lots of plays down the stretch that could have gone either way, but whatever, if there has to be a fall guy, Cousins might as well be that guy. : ) And although I will admit that DeMarcus’ free throw shooting is atrocious, I think he purposefully missed that second free throw on the instruction of the coaches and NOT in spite of them as tenken insists above. Not sure what she means??
Thankful to come away with a win. Now, there is nice long break for the boys to rest, heal those parts that are tweaked, pulled, or whatever and then get back at. Night, ya’ll! : )
If memory serves......the announcers made the comment
That the coach didn’t want him to miss on purpose. That is IF I remember correctly….. =)
I think so too.
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Nov 26, 2009 8:51 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks.
This is a little clip from the LHL today and that’s pretty much what it says, too.
His first bounced off the front of the rim. On the second, Cousins attempted to throw it hard off the rim and go get the rebound despite Calipari’s order to make the shot.I guess I misunderstood, and at the time, apparently so did DeMarcus. All I know is that that was a really weird sequence of events. Cuz looked totally stressed-out, or nervous, or something when he stepped up to the free throw line and then didn’t appear to even really look at the basket and attempt to make the shot. It was just odd. He really must work on those free throws because I’m fairly certain this won’t be the last time he will find himself at the line in a stressful end-game situation. : )
“Miscommunication,” Cousins said afterward.
Mann ended up with the rebound while Calipari had a conniption fit.
Agreed...
If he doesn’t improve, he’ll find himself on the bench during those “high-stress” times due to his poor FT shooting… Who’d we use to have like that, this is ringing a bell in my mind?? Magloire, Mohammed… Where’s Oldcat or WW when you need them?? LOL
If your wings don't sweep....
Well, Andre Riddick was one
MAN, could that guy not shoot free throws. I remember him airballing one at the SEC tourney (I think) that went way high, and stopped WAY short of the goal.
by blue kentucky girl on Nov 26, 2009 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
Mohammed 0-6 FTA In 1997 NC Game
Make any 1 of those 6 and UK wins 1997 NC also.
by FortyYearCatFan on Nov 26, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
This comment
brings up a subject that really grabs my interest. The assumption is make one of the misses and we win. The later in the game that that happens, the more likely that assumption is correct. But if the shot is made earlier in the game, can one assume that everything that happens afterwards would come out the same? Instead of the other team rebounding the miss, they would probably have to bring it inbounds. A steal and the game would or could go in an entirely different direction. Sort of like the butterfly flapping its wings could lead to a hurricane. Just a thought.
The Teams Were Tied At End Of 40 Minutes
Mohammed makes any 1 of 6 FTA, the teams aren’t tied any more.
by FortyYearCatFan on Nov 26, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
i've had the same thought before
and i’ve also been guilty of saying “if he just made that FT/shot, we would have won!”
i especially do that in football, if my team misses a FG, is short by just inches, or some similarly close play. I guess it’s assumed that one little change wouldn’t affect anything after, but I think Back to the Future taught us otherwise!
I think Forty kinda missed your point up there.
GO BIG BLUE!! GO BIG BLUE!!
by UKWildCatFanatic on Nov 26, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
and Mohammed was a pretty good free throw shooter.
My guess is around 75%
by chrisgettlefinger on Nov 28, 2009 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
Not Really
46% as frosh, 50% that year (1997) as soph, but 75% as junior.
by FortyYearCatFan on Nov 28, 2009 6:32 AM EST up reply actions
Just had a thought...
Orton & Cuz should room together… You rarely see much emotion from Orton and that could be a good influence on Cuz. Right on the other hand, Orton could use some of Cuz’s agressiveness. Both feed off of each other in different ways, but benefiting both!
If your wings don't sweep....
Well gang......
There have been many many games over my years of watching the Cats that turned out just like tonight. They would be down and keep on clawing their way back to pull off a win. We named a few of the teams, the Comeback Cats are the first ones to come to mind, but not the only ones, by far. This year’s team has so much talent, it is almost unreal. I am so thankful that this team can comeback and make us all smile in the end. :-)
Have a Happy Thanksgiving everyone !!
Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!
This could be the year for
the nine lives cats. They’ve used two of them so far and I think we haven’t seen anything yet!
Coach Cal on the postgame:
loosely quoting “We did some of the dumbest things I’ve ever seen in my life. But we won the ball game”
Good night all! Happy thanksgiving to my ASOB buds!
Kentucky bretheren united once again! Thanks Cal!
Truzenzuzex posted this earlier this week and it was well stated.
“Georgia utterly dominated Kentucky in every respect except for the one that mattered — the final score.”
Substitute ‘Stanford’ for ‘Georgia’, and you have my thoughts about tonight’s game. On one hand, we were lucky to come away with a win. On the other hand, Once our team decided to assert itself, a win was produced, which highlights our main weaknesses: confidence and experience.
If we continue to make visible improvements and keep coming up with wins, I can’t ask for anything more.
Nice "6th Man" Effort By Ramon Harris
Good job by the Razor.
by FortyYearCatFan on Nov 26, 2009 8:03 AM EST reply actions
Ramon and Perry
Bet these boys will teach our youngins a whole lot this week…Coach Cal has his hands full, but I believe they are all up to it…tense, but the W came through…just think back 1-2 years…OMG!!!
"Get your facts first, then you can distort them as much as you please."...Mark Twain.
CRASHES
My Explorer keep crashing when I am posting!!!! It is constant. Anyone elese having this problem?
Never made the Vista jump...
But I’ve used both IE 7.0 & 8.0 to post here and have never had any problems… Does it do the same thing on other sites that you post to?? Trying to narrow down things that could cause it…
If your wings don't sweep....
I Use Safari
We have an Apple (Mac) computer.
Never have another PC or use IE again.
by FortyYearCatFan on Nov 27, 2009 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
You patched your system lately??
You have Automatic Updates set?? Or do you manually go the Microsoft site and apply the patches?? There may have been an IE patch that was installed that is hanging you up…
If your wings don't sweep....
Crap! Stupid tab and enter buttons!! LOL
What I was going to say is that your system was working fine, but now it’s not… What have you done in the past two weeks that changed/modified your system?? Patched it?? New AV program?? Keep feeding me some details and we might be able to work this out…
Bet a nickel that you have Automatic Updates set to “On” and two weeks ago would have been Patch Tuesday. Microsoft may have pushed a patch your way that your system didn’t digest very well…. The good news is that those patches can be uninstalled in case of an emergency! Do you make an image of your system, or do you use the OS System Restore capability??
Keep replying Lyric, we’ll work this out… :-) This post is mostly dead, so I don’t think Tru would mind if we did computer repair here!! LOL
If your wings don't sweep....
Automatic to On
And the only place it crashes is posting here. I also use other blogs and surf a lot of other places.
Appreciate the Help
Don’t spend too much time thinking about it though. I plan on updating to Windows 7 in week or so and I will have a whole new set of issues!
:-)
OK... Your call...
If you want to investigate further, then go Start → Settings → Control Panel → Add/Remove Programs (or the Vista equivalent). Click the “Show Updates” option and then scroll down to the “Windows Internet Explorer (your Version #) – Software Updates” section. You should see each patch listed by the date it was installed…
Look at the ones you most recently installed, should be dated the 12th or 13th of this month, depending on when you installed it. Highlight one of the recent ones, click Remove and let it do it’s thing. Re-boot your box, try to post and see if it’s fixed. If it is, you got lucky on your first try!! LOL If not, repeat the process until you can post… Then go back and re-apply the other patches to safeguard your machine as much as you can.
Can’t tell you why one patch will screw up your system, lot of variables involved… However, you can help yourself in this regard by turning off “Automatic Updates”. Sometimes MS puts out a bad patch and if you are grabbing it right as it’s offered, you could be setting yourself up for a headache. Set a reminder in Outlook (or your email program of choice) to grab the patches the Friday after Patch Tuesday. That way, if there are bad patches out there, some other guinea pig will have already complained to MS and they will re-work the patch before you get it!! LOL And by updating a couple of days afterward, you’re limiting your exposure to all the “nasties” that are on the web…
Best tech newsletter on the Web, IMHO, is Windows Secrets… Ton’s of good stuff, give it a try! And no, I’m not affiliated with them… FYI, they’ve already published alot of Window 7 stuff, might want to give ’em a read before you take the plunge! :-) Let us know how it works out…
If your wings don't sweep....
Here's A Windows Secret
Buy an Apple (Mac).
The difference is incredible.
by FortyYearCatFan on Nov 28, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
I've heard that from EVERYONE
that’s ever owned a Mac. It will definitely be my next purchase when the time comes.
Almost Did
Until I bought and I-pod and had so much trouble with I-tunes. That and the cost scared me away. Still may someday….but I can buy 9 more of these HPs for about the same cost as a Mac.
Just delete windows and install Linux.
Life will be better. :-)
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Glenn Logan on Nov 30, 2009 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
Happy Thanksgiving Everyone
Great job last night by Stanford. I thought at times they just out hustled us. But a great job off the bench by Ramone and ice water through J. wall and E. Bledsoe’s veins saved the day. A lot of good tape to watch before the N. Carolina game… GO CATS!! Oh yeah, BEAT TENNESSEE!!
"You are what you are and you ain't what you ain't"
Hey Guys,
Sorry I missed the thread last night, but I was playing with grandkids at my son’s house. Nice to have a win when you’re sleeping in Tarheel territory.
Like EagleTDL, I’ll take a win, and like Tru, I never got “the feeling” about that game, even when I looked in and we were down with 2.4 to go. Normally, I’m whining about how bad they’re playing, but was kinda peaceful even Wall was at the line.
It got me to thinking about what’s important to this Wildcat fan in the pre-conference season: getting to 2000 first, beating Louisville, and continuing to improve the team play, in that order. So far, we’re doing OK on all three except the last one. These last two Ws were U-G-L-Y, but they were wins. Not sure at all that they would have been last year.
I’m with part of my “blood” family for Thanksgiving, but I just want to give a big HAPPY THANKSGIVING to my ASOB family too. I’m thankful for you guys. Have a great day, folks.
No moral victories--it's all about Ws and Ls!!!
"Guys"-an inclusive term that includes both sexes and all ages.
At least, according to waiters at every restaurant I go to these days. I’m especially thankful for the “gals” on here, too, but continue to worry about kykat51. Whatever may or may not be wrong on her end, remember her and her family today, too.
No moral victories--it's all about Ws and Ls!!!
I second the wishes for kykat 51
and all the female felines at ASOB thank you. :)
Happy Thanksgiving OldCat’69 and to all the Sea of Bluers!
by StillCatwoman on Nov 26, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Shout-out!
Birthday twins! ;) I’m still totally holding you to our plan of watching that Florida game (always played on or around our birthdays) together some day! ;)
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Nov 27, 2009 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
oldcat’69 I could use your name as I am an old “Cat” follower and I’m 69. They had me worried for much of the game, but when the game was on the line they came through!
Well, I'm not quite as "senior" as you yet,
but I graduated in ’69, thus the name. Happy Thanksgiving.
No moral victories--it's all about Ws and Ls!!!
Thanks For ASoB
Missed last night’s game since we were in route to Argentina for Thanksgiving — invited by friends who’ve lived there for a year or so — arrived this morning and brought turkey with us. Logged on to ASoB for first results and was pleased to read about a win. Not quite play-by-play but close enough. ASoB sure is a touch of the Bluegrass and quite welcome. Hope to be near a computer to watch Monday’s game. Feliz Dia del Acción Gracias. Lovely place. Read more about it here. More after I’ve spent a few days.
"Learn(ing) without thinking begets ignorance. Think(ing) without learning is dangerous."
-Confucius
Thanks.
Have a safe and happy Thanksgiving down south.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Glenn Logan on Nov 26, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Happy Thanksgiving
How many people added CBS College to their cable/dish? I did, for 3.95 a month. I’ll cancel tomorrow as I don’t think any other UK games will be broadcast this year. Call me cheap. Or gobble :)
No matter where you're at, there you are
UK MEN'S BASKETBALL- A TRUE SYNOPSIS !!!
I have started to notice an extremely irritating as well as nervewracking pattern about UK men’s basketball regardless of the coach or player personnel on the court and it is as follows and it is really quite simple !!! First off, they are almost schizophrenic from game to game you never “know which team is going to show up”. Secondly, when the Cats run and gun dribble and drive to the basket with few passes and play tenacious team defense they usually win and win big due to the talent level and depth of the bench. Thirdly, when they lose they start “OVERPASSING” the ball around obsessive compulsively kicking it back in and out way too many times killing the offense’s ability to set plays along with silly unforced turnovers along with playing individual-based defense that leaves the perimeter highly exposed allowing them to either get scorched by the 3 ball or allow way too many drives up the middle.. Fourthly, they win more when they are successful from behind the free throw line instead of muffing shots and missing them. To conclude, the Cats need to stop taking games for granted especially at Rupp, realize that this is not the good old days that opponents are not scared of the “High and Mighty” Kentucky name on the jerseys anymore nor are they intimidated by them anywhere including Rupp Arena, as a matter of fact, teams usually step up now to play UK playing their often times best games of the year or of all time in return the Cats should respond properly by getting down to business starting with the fundamentals that include playing to their potential and be motivated to go from there !!! I will always be a UK Wildcats fan forever but they have a boatload of issues that need addressing if they want another moment like they had in San Antonio,TX back in their run to the championship in 1998 !!!!!!!!
by KNOXVILLETNUKWILDCATSFANATIC9USA on Nov 26, 2009 3:27 PM EST reply actions
I'm out of breath after reading that
Agree on Rupp arena not being intimidating anymore even with all of this talent. I disagree that they are overpassing though, more like plain old crappy passing especially in the first couple of games. I noticed they have been better at ball movement as of late when they realized the driver in the dribble drive can’t always score, he has to put pressure on and then kick out to the open perimeter dude.
by chrisgettlefinger on Nov 28, 2009 1:06 AM EST up reply actions
Rupp Arena Opened In 1979
The only times I remember it being intimidating were in the mid to late 1990’s.
by FortyYearCatFan on Nov 28, 2009 6:33 AM EST up reply actions
When you start 3 Freshman, regardless of ability,
6 new players overall, and everybody in a new system, you are going to have growing pains. We will take the 6-0 and take it one game at a time. This team probably wins 30 games or close to it and should be much better by tournament time. After what we have been though the last few years, I think most of us are fairly positive on our future, which we have not been able to say for some time.
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