Kentucky 73, Cleveland State 49 -- Postmortem
The Cancun Challenge is certainly providing a challenge for the Kentucky Wildcats. Not only did the Sam Houston St. give us plenty of challenge, but the Cleveland St. Vikings also proved tough enough to challenge the 'Cats -- for a half.
Nice effort by the Vikings of Cleveland State. They out-hustled and outworked Kentucky for most of the game, and refused to be bullied or pushed around, matching UK's physicality inside and proving that hustle will offset talent most of the time. The Vikings were tough, gritty and determined. Unfortunately for them, they weren't big enough or skilled enough to handle the Wildcats.
This was an ugly game by any measure. Tons of fouls, players pushing and shoving, two intentional fouls, turnover after turnover. Ugly, ugly basketball.
Cleveland State could not throw the ball in the ocean from the beach. They were ice-cold from everywhere, but UK kept giving them the ball before they could get off a shot. I can't wait to see the stats on this game, they should prove instructive.
But in the second half, the Wildcats began to take care of the ball and force the Vikings to beat them without a bunch of extra possessions, and that wound up being too tall an order for the shorter Cleveland State team. After the first five minutes of the second half, the game was really no longer in doubt, and Kentucky improves to 5-0 and advances to the championship round of the tournament, while the Vikings move on to the consolation game.
More after the jump.
Here are my observations:
- I sure hope Patrick Patterson's injury is minor. He didn't come back after he apparently tweaked an ankle. At least, I hope that's what it was.
- Ramon Harris played another excellent game, and by the minutes he's getting, it's clear that Calipari is falling in love with him just like Gillispie did.
- Big Cuz had another good game, but once again, he is weak with the ball when he gets trapped.
- Daniel Orton played well again. Blocks galore, some points in close, lots of good stuff.
- Eric Bledsoe played really poorly for most of the game. He got better very late, but he turned the ball over a lot.
- John Wall was OK, but I though this wasn't really one of his best efforts. He seemed out of control a lot.
- Perry Stevenson gave some good minutes.
- Jon Hood hit an open shot and absolutely played his best game so far.
- Darius Miller was fine, but I wish he had been a little more under control.
- This was a really rough game in spite of all the fouls. Most of the fouls were absolutely good calls, and even if the officiating was uneven at times, I thought it was OK. I am not a big advocate of "letting them play." A foul is a foul and it should be called.
- Nice three at the end of the first half by Josh Harrellson. It was a difference-maker.
- I really wish I knew if we were ever going to hear from Liggins or Dodson again. I think they have slipped into the Calipari Triangle.
All in all, this was a most unsatisfying game. There was very little of the kind of play that I had hoped to see on offense, and the defense, although competent, was just okay. I was hoping for much more. Maybe I'll get that tomorrow.
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Ugly Game But a Win
I am not sure Kentucky really got anything out of this game. C. State made this game ugly on purpose and it was boring to watch and not very inducive of a learning experience.
I did LOVE watching Cousins. That play were he came out and shot the 3 I laughed and laughed. It looked like the big dog showing the little dogs how to take an open shot! I know it was a Freshman mistake to slug that player with the elbow but I am telling you he was getting clobbered in there and it was sort-of justice. Don’t go pushing the Big Dog (or Cat) if you are afraid to get scratched
by LyricSmith on Nov 24, 2009 7:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Really didn’t enjoy watching the first half. It was boring with the hair-trigger whistle (which got swallowed in the second half once C-state’s starters all had 4 fouls). It was as if you were in the wrong position or someone fell near you, you would get a foul called on you, regardless of whether you initiated any contact. And C-State definitely made it a slugfest on purpose. We had some bad execution on both sides in all the other games this year, but they were at least enjoyable to watch. This was brutal.
I absolutely HATED seeing cousins let that guy get the best of him and retaliate. He needs to be better than that.
Still, a win.
Go cats!!
by EEWildcat on Nov 25, 2009 12:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Retaliation Is Bad
Still you have to admire Cousins for at least getting his spirit in it., I hope the next time he gets upset he delivers a facial as a retort! Kids got heart and talent….now if he learns to use that for good, he’ll be Superman!
by LyricSmith on Nov 25, 2009 6:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Watching
the Stanford/Va game and there doesn’t appear to be 100 people in the gym…..do we have GREAT fans or what? 12:14 and it’s 17-13 Stanford….like watching paint dry.
Yeah this game was definitely a step back in terms of ballhandlng. I still think Bledsoe gets into trying to top Wall and if you noticed, he seemed to be REALLY bad when Wall was out. That’s a terrible floor but most of those were just bad execution and dribbling into trouble.
There were some good things as you point out with PS and Ramon having good games. Wall hit most of his free throws if I remember correctly which will bode well toward the end of tight games.
I’m very concerned with Patrick…..hope they held him out because they didn’t need him and not because of anything serious. I’m also VERY concerned with Cousins keeping control of himself…….would hate to loose him for a game cause he got in a fight which seemed to be brewing there for a minute.
I’d also like someone to press Coach C on Liggins and Dodson. He doesn’t have to be specific with why this is happening but he could state clearly if they’re going to play and when.
Coach C seemed as exasperated as he’s been in any game this year. I think he saw the same thing we did….playing an overmatched team and making mistake after mistake to keep them in the ballgame. A win’s a win but that was as bad as the announcing!!
20-21 Stanford at 6:54
by UKlvrJM on Nov 24, 2009 7:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
call me crazy
But if they cut down on TOs and make a few more FTs I would be happy.
Our D held them to a low %, 10 players scored, no one fouled out despite a huge number of fouls – oh yeah ~ we won by 24….
Sure bledsoe needs to slow down and big cuz needs to be a little less big cuz but I enjoyed the game.
Fewer TOs and more FTs made is all I ask
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on Nov 24, 2009 8:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
call me crazy
But if they cut down on TOs and make a few more FTs I would be happy.
Our D held them to a low %, 10 players scored, no one fouled out despite a huge number of fouls – oh yeah ~ we won by 24….
Sure bledsoe needs to slow down and big cuz needs to be a little less big cuz but I enjoyed the game.
Fewer TOs and more FTs made is all I ask
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on Nov 24, 2009 8:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
sorry for the echo
Either I am hearing things or oi feel strongly about it. :-)
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on Nov 24, 2009 8:27 PM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Well, not exactly a thing of beauty,
to the eyes or the ears. ( I am not fond of the gym or the announcers.) I think Coach Cal sees this tourney more as a team bonding experience than a X and O building one. Hopefully they can work a little on both.
I think PPat will be fine. I was watching closely for a glimpse of him in the second half and he was standing with the team during the timeouts and he wasn’t wearing his warm-ups over his jersey. Hopefully, Cal saw no need to put him in and risk further injury, since he doesn’t need a ton of practice. :-)
Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Nov 24, 2009 8:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Tru,
I wouldn’t hope to see a much better game tomorrow. Stanford and Virginia are engaged in one that is just about as bad as ours was. It is the subpar surroundings in which they are playing, I believe. With that said, winning under less than optimum conditions is a good sign.
I also watched for Patterson and he did not look in any kind of discomfort. Maybe he was just cramping up. I look for him to be back tomorrow night.
by kywineman on Nov 24, 2009 8:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Cal, in his postgame
said that Patterson tweaked his ankle a little bit, nothing too bad. He decided to sit him so as not to jeopardize him for tomorrow. No sense in putting him back in during a blowout.
He is very upset at Bledsoe. He said that Eric uses his ankle as an excuse not to go all out in practice, and it is keeping him from learning quickly.
Standard harping about bad passing and such. Nothing out of the ordinary for a coach watching a lot of freshman mistakes.
No word on Liggins or Dodson.
by aidanpryde18 on Nov 24, 2009 8:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's see what happens tomorrow...
Sure, the Cats didn’t play their greatest but a couple of things come to mind…
1) First road game (albeit a neutral floor) out of the friendly confines of Rupp
2) First road game that is out of the country?? How many of these kids have ever been out of the country before?? How many of these kids have ever been to the ocean??
3) “On the road” brings its own perils… Food is different, schedule is different, practice is different, etc…
Since we got a W, I’m of the mind to give ’em a little slack… Now, if they throw another stinker like today, all bets are off! :-)
If your wings don't sweep....
by EagleTDL on Nov 24, 2009 9:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ditto
No need to worry, but, I would really like to see the entire team play a game — The Dodson thing is beginning to bother me a bit. I don’ think I/we’re owed an explanation, but the kid adds another dimension to the team … whatever the problem is, it needs to go back where it came from.
by Ken Howlett on Nov 25, 2009 1:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed...
I certainly appreciate Cal not wanting to “throw a kid under the bus” but something is going on with both Dodson & Liggins… I’m sure Cal could give enough information about what’s going on, to satisfy the fans & media, without demeaning either player. Curiouser and curiouser…
If your wings don't sweep....
by EagleTDL on Nov 25, 2009 8:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Seems as though purgatory may be about to end for both young men....
see my fanpost this morning……
Remember, we're having fun now!!!
by ALLBLUCAT on Nov 25, 2009 9:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes Dodson Thing Bothers Me Too
I agree we are not owed details but would the generic “Academic” or “Team Rules” answer hurt? At this point, I think it is safe to assume the Dodson or Liggins situation has nothing to do with basketball.
I worry about the lost experience and miss the chance to bond as a fan. I can only trust that Coach has his reasons. I hope things work out.
by LyricSmith on Nov 25, 2009 6:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Uneven, Ragged, Jagged, Spotty
Sort of like the playing surface, but what would you expect in a game played in a ballroom with chandeliers? And in a tropical resort where basketball – if it’s played at all – is played outdoors on pavement with a red, green and white ball. UK’s play in the first half mirrored the surroundings and more tellingly the Cancun attitude: laid back, light-hearted and irresponsible. The game statistics are nearly as disjointed as the play:
CSU put up 24 more shots than Cats…24! Unfortunately for them they only hit 17=26.2%; 5/26 3’s for 19.2. Uk dominates FT 24/35 vs 10/15. Win board battle 43-25. Vikings have 10 less TO’s:12-22. All 10 Cats that played scored: Wall 15, Cousins 14, Orton leading bench scorer with 6.
I agree with UKlvrJM that Bledsoe has fallen into the trap of trying to out-Wall Wall. Can’t blame him though considering the disparity in hype. It’s no coincidence that his best game was when Wall wasn’t participating and he plays better and controlled when Wall is on bench.
Harrellson and Hood’s 3’s were huge. Darius Miller – except for a few defensive lapses – might have had his best game.
Finally, suppose we start a pool on which game Big Cuz will be ejected.
"Learn(ing) without thinking begets ignorance. Think(ing) without learning is dangerous."
-Confucius
by Wild Weasel on Nov 24, 2009 9:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm in WW...
I think if it happens, it will happen sooner or later… So, 5-spot on the line, Dec 09 vs UConn! UConn always has a banger or two on the floor. Don’t think it will be UNC, most of their bigs are young too and while that could be a catalyst, I think the Jr/Sr bigs of UConn will really try to push him around…
If your wings don't sweep....
by EagleTDL on Nov 24, 2009 10:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
me too
I think all it will take for Big Cuz to be ejected will be A. a particularly rough game or B. a particularly high profile game or C. all of the above. He just seems like one of those kids who somewhat loses control in competition and kind of lets the testosterone take over. I don’t think it makes him a horrible person, he’s just young and hotheaded. Hopefully he’ll mature some. I do enjoy watching him play though.
by uk1982 on Nov 24, 2009 10:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am starting to
think Liggin’s situation is academics. If he was going to redshirt I think Cal would go ahead and say it. If it is academics, he probably doesn’t play until next semester. Dodson, I believe has been suspended because of breaking team rules. I am just guessing on both.
We do have to remember that Bledsoe is a freshmen and not compare him to Wall. Wall is just special with special talents. Bledsoe will be a very good guard for us for 3 or 4 years. He has the talent, now his brain has to catch up to it.
Remember, there are a lot of new players and everybody is playing for a new coach. It takes time and we were warned by Cal. I am not going to get frustrated, I am just going to enjoy watching it all come together.
by Grasslands1 on Nov 24, 2009 10:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Win #5
Sure it wasn’t pretty but winning by over 20 points and not playing all that well says something. I think people are working themselves into a lather about this team not playing well,in their opinion,and I don’t get it. This is a very young team and at times they play like it. And they will continue to do so and,get this,they will lose some games. In fact it won’t suprise me if they lose 2 or 3 before SEC conference play. But look at the upside to this team. As far as sheer talent is concerned this team is loaded. Come March,this team will be scary good. So get off their backs. It’s March not November/Decemeber when championships are won.
by maysvilleblue on Nov 24, 2009 10:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm
Seems luke it ‘Twas just a few weeks ago I read a post on here by mr. Howlett about not overanalyzing games, but of course without overanalyzing, there wouldn’t be blogs.:)
Don’t forget clev. State gave butler all they wanted last year twice. We killed them today playing average, I’ll take it. This is a young team that will be eratic, don’t push it. Young team in cancun, all in all great job today. Surprised that standford won though
by daniel81 on Nov 24, 2009 11:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
LOL!
I was wondering when someone was gonna bring that up.
I know how great this team is going to be, so I’m not sweating November, or December. I’m content to watch and enjoy … at least for now.
by Ken Howlett on Nov 25, 2009 1:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Only watched the first half
so my feelings are from a half that was not played very well. I think that if this team played the first half about as good as my kids teams play. Pass the ball horribly and showboating. So frustrating. I hear they did better the second half but I am feeling that the North Carolina game and maybe even tomorrow’s game will be humilating. It will be good for them though.
Kentucky bretheren united once again! Thanks Cal!
by tenken on Nov 25, 2009 12:03 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Cal's post game show was shorter than usual
The “our team is young, we’re not that good” is getting old, IMHO. We’re 5-0. Everybody knows the team is young and makes stupid mistakes. Everyone knows they’re pretty darned good, too.
No matter where you're at, there you are
by cincyblue on Nov 25, 2009 1:54 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Nike Announcement
Has anyone heard what the big Nike announcement was to be? If it is new uniforms would you think they would be unveiled for the North Carolina, U Conn, or Louisville game? Thoughts?
by UK1972 on Nov 25, 2009 8:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe they are flying in a real floor for tonight's game in Cancun????.....lol
Remember, we're having fun now!!!
by ALLBLUCAT on Nov 25, 2009 9:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lebron's transferring to Kentucky
No matter where you're at, there you are
by cincyblue on Nov 25, 2009 9:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Even though I didn't see the game....
After reading the comments and the post game recaps here and elsewhere I think we can attribute the ugliness of this game to the pervading conditions.
Those conditions are probably affecting everyone from the players to the refs. One more game to go and back to the friendly confines of Rupp. It would be nice to have a decent venue for a neutral site but them’s the breaks. We’ll see how “tough” these kids are having to deal with these circumstances.
Also, Lil Cuz needs to not let opposing players get in his head, he’s supposed to do that to them. Show him some tape of Cliff Hawkins for example, especially the game at Ole Miss where he got ?Huerta? to throw an elbow at him. THAT’S getting in someone’s head!
GO BIG BLUE!
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by bluecrip on Nov 25, 2009 9:33 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
The game looked to me...
to be an early season game, with a young, talented team, playing on the road under horrible conditions. If you get a chance, check out KSR and look at the pictures of the floor. Or here’s a link to the pictures:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rudiusmedia/sets/72157622868331720/detail/
KSR is also saying that Jeff Goodman is reporting that Darnell Dodson will be returning to the floor tonight. A poster on the cbssportsline board (from Louisvillie) says that he read on KSR that Dodson got into an “altercation” in the locker room after the Morehead St. game and was suspended because of it. I haven’t read this, but I don’t always read everything on KSR, unlike ASOB.
One last thing, I LIKED that Cuz reacted to the blatant abuse of the Cleveland St player. Afterwards, I didn’t see a whole lot of pushing or shoving taking place in the area around Demarcus. We’ve needed an “enforcer” type for a long time, IMO. Cuz will just have to learn to get the message across when the ref’s not looking. ;-)
by MTCAT on Nov 25, 2009 2:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
A reaction is one thing.
An elbow to the chops is another.
I don’t mind the reaction, but no elbows, particularly to the head. Those things are deadly weapons on a 260# man-child.
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by Truzenzuzex on Nov 25, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope that the players on the floor feel that way too.....lol....makes guys jumpy worrying about
that 260# man-child……lol….
Remember, we're having fun now!!!
by ALLBLUCAT on Nov 25, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Point Taken
You’re right, of course. I don’t want to see a kid injured. Maybe he should have chest-bumped him into the third row a-la Charles Hurt to Charles Barkley. Man that was classic(although Hurt did it with his butt). Barkley ejected and UK upsets Auburn. Good times.
by MTCAT on Nov 25, 2009 9:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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