Vanderbilt in the Rear-View Mirror
Kentucky is now assured of its fourth .500 or better regular season in four years, and is bowl eligible for the fourth straight time. That's a good feeling for Wildcat fans who have suffered through the unfortunate loss of Jeremy Jarmon, the mid-season loss of Mike Hartline, the long absence of Trevard Lindley, and various injuries to Randall Cobb and Derrick Locke which cost the Wildcats.
Did I say a good feeling? It's a great feeling.
Looking back at the game, Eric Crawford of the Courier-Journal says the Vandy win was unconvincing.
Unless something surprising happens over the next two games, that's going to be the story of the season: a team that did what it was supposed to do but nothing more.
Given the inordinate and costly injuries, I'd say Kentucky deserves more credit than that, but from a macro standpoint, you have to say that Crawford isn't far off. Chris Low of ESPN, however, has an alternative viewpoint more favorable to the Wildcats:
It's no secret that Rich Brooks has done a terrific job in elevating Kentucky's program to a level of respectability, but this may be one of his better jobs when you consider all the injuries the Wildcats have endured this season.
More after the jump.
John Clay thinks that UK has what it takes to win out:
Second half on this Saturday, the Cats outgained the Commodores 225-31. The visitors had 13 first downs the final two quarters, the home team had one. Vanderbilt did not convert a single third down.
It is remarkable what the defense was able to do in the second half, and it was laudable that Brooks & Co. made the decision to stick with Morgan Newton. It required Cobb and Derrick Locke to sacrifice their bodies with a bunch of carries, but Vandy simply wasn't able to stop the Wildcats' running game, and the coaching staff decided that they were going to run it until Vandy stopped them, which did eventually happen. Then Newton was able to find some open receivers and put the game out of reach.
Finally, it seems that Mike Hartline is done for the season, which is probably good for him and the team, under the difficult circumstances:
Brooks says the speed of the game injured the knee enough to warrant surgery. True freshman Morgan Newton will remain the starter, while receiver Randall Cobb will continue to take between 10 and 20 snaps a game in the spread offense formation.
I wish Mike well, and a quick recovery. Now, the quarterback controversy is over and done with. Newton is the man, and we will live or die with him taking the lion's share of the snaps this year. Hartline will have a chance to win the job back as a senior, and if his recovery from surgery is as strong as Derrick Locke's, I think he will.
This was a big win for a banged-up UK team trying not to take a step back, and it is a credit to their determination that they refused to give up in a hostile arena when giving up would have been easy. I credit the leadership of Cobb, Locke and Newton, who played football like full grown men. Congratulations to them.
Now, on to Athens!
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I am not as sure about Hartline
winning the starting job next year, as you are. Newton’s upside is so much higher, and his leadership skills are pretty evident. Both of which are necessary to make a bigger splash in league play, if we are going to do it.
Between now and next season, I think the team could be solidly behind his leadership.
by Sonic on Nov 15, 2009 6:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I do believe
that we can win these next 2 games. I didnt get to see our game, but watched bits of GA and TN….our boyzzz can beat em
by Bluehound on Nov 15, 2009 7:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
BCS Near Mirror OF AP
Top 7 are the same: Gators, Tide, Horns, Frogs, Bearcats, Broncos, Yellowjackets.
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by Wild Weasel on Nov 15, 2009 8:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
On winning the last 2
UK will not go to Athens and run the football down their throats nor will they do it against UT and that is all UK basically have a running game. Kentucky isn’t smart enough to throw over the top when the opponent boxes the line, it doesn’t matter how good your O line is nor your backs when the competition brings that many players, you will not block them all. Vandy was 2-8 for a reason and was really banged up and UK didn’t win it that big. Therefore, for UK to win the next 2 there must be special team TD’s or Defensive TD’s, if Newton plays the whole game. I wonder how long the Newton love affair is going to last. Fans were calling him our future QB star before he had ever taken a snap. I myself think Fidler has been overlooked just because he is a western kentucky boy. Don’t get me wrong he isn’t great but neither is Newton. I hope Newton does get hot and begin to hit receivers alot more often but I don’t see it happening. Some targets are beginning to step up though like LaRod King. I wish Hartline all the best on getting well. I see another Liberty Bowl coming or maybe a Pizza Chain Bowl. But I’ll take any of them. Go UK, find a way to win them.
by UKFever on Nov 16, 2009 1:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
What a ridiculous
comment about Fidler. Was Woodson overlooked because he was from KY? Neither Fidler nor Hartline are SEC caliber QB’s. Newton has great potential and has performed pretty good for having been thrown into the fire so early. For those who want Hartline back so badly just remember how badly he misses on many of his throws. It will be most difficult for UK to score enough to win the next two games without Newton stepping it up to the next level but these will be great opportunities for him to grow. Here’s hoping for an Auburn-like performance at Georgia.
by kywineman on Nov 16, 2009 8:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fidler got the same chances the rest of the QB's got
he did not perform as well…..
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by ALLBLUCAT on Nov 16, 2009 9:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bowl Predictions: Independence
Latest ESPN predictions: UK vs Big 12 (My guess: KSU or ISU) in Shreveport.
"Learn(ing) without thinking begets ignorance. Think(ing) without learning is dangerous."
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by Wild Weasel on Nov 16, 2009 7:34 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Uh Oh...
UKFever, you’re gonna draw the wrath of ABC with some of your comment, you said the “F” word!! LOL I too think Fidler has gotten a raw deal, but before ABC’s horns come out and he starts pawing the ground in defense of Newton, let me explain my thoughts…
Papa B has always run a Pro-Set style of offense, except for last year when Super-Cobb was playing QB. So when you compare Newton and Fidler in the Pro-Set, I think Fidler’s style is more suited to that type of offense. Granted, Will’s arm strength isn’t what Newton’s is and that hinders the offense in regards to the deep ball. But, I think his experience in the system outweighs that disadvantage… Newton adds a bit of a running threat when he’s in, but if memory serves, both he and Fidler ran the ball a bit in the Auburn game with similiar results. If we really want to show a running threat, then we move from the Pro-Set to the Wild-Cobb and turn Superman loose!!
Your comment on “throwing over the top” is spot on! IMHO, that’s part of the reason we lost to MS ST! They put 7-8 guys in the box and dared us to pass and we didn’t… I’m afraid we’ll see that again from both GA & TN. If we can get some kind of passing rythym going, we will have much more of a chance for success in the next two games. Some simple check-downs and slant routes will keep the defense honest and keep them from crowding the box.
Go Blue!!
If your wings don't sweep....
by EagleTDL on Nov 16, 2009 7:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
No grief here....I simply pointed out that they were both given equal opportunity to win the job
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by ALLBLUCAT on Nov 16, 2009 9:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Understood...
But I still don’t see how Newton gets the nod over Fidler?? Based on head-to-head game numbers, Will is better! Stats listed below come from here and here. I used the Auburn & ULM games to pull the numbers from, that makes it fair… Will only played one (maybe two??) series in the EKU game, didn’t play at all in the MS ST or Vandy games…
AUB:
Fidler was 4-9 (44.4%) for 36 yards
Newton was 5-13 (38.5%) for 39 yards
ULM:
Fidler was 8-13 (61.5%) for 82 yards
Newton was 3-6 (50%) for 17 yards
Against AUB neither threw a pick, however both threw one against ULM. Rushing stats are almost a dead heat, 4 yds difference between the two in those two games. And their job, in the Pro-Set, certainly isn’t running the ball!
So… If you’re Papa Brooks and your looking at the stats on Monday morning after the ULM game, how do you not go with Will?? That’s why I think Will is getting the smelly end of the stick! You can point to the EKU game as a “break-out” game for Newton, but how do you know that Will wouldn’t have done as well, or better??
Coach Cal says he’ll take talent over experience anytime, and in round ball, I’ll agree with that… No so sure that arguement holds water in football? Papa B even said, “I’d have have experience come off the bench” before one of the games. So, using his statement against him, the job should have been Will’s to lose and I don’t think he was given a chance to lose it! My nickel’s worth…
If your wings don't sweep....
by EagleTDL on Nov 16, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Brooks said it was based on their performance in practice with the first team.
I dont know any more than that, but I will go out on a limb and say it wasnt because he was from Western Kentucky….that was a rather “left field” comment by the poster above…..PERSONALLY I look at it this way:
1)Newton gives us a double threat from the pocket because he CAN and should run the ball every now and then. Fidler as a runner scares the life out of me….
2)We needed to choose one and stick with them because the roundtable idea was NOT working….looked good at the beginning, but our receivers needed some continuity.
3) Newton is the QB of the future for the next couple years. I believe that he will beat out Hartline next spring, and he needs the reps to be able to compete man to man for the job.
4) Newton has arm strength over BOTH Fidler and Hartline…..now that other young man waiting in the shadows is a different story…..Mossakowski has a cannon….and is not afraid to use it.
5) I have second guessed Brooks over and over for everything under the sun for the last 5 years…..he is USUALLY right on these kinds of calls…..I am not totally sold on some other aspects, but when it comes to who plays and who doesnt, he knows what he is doing, and he evaluates talent like there’s no tomorrow. That is evident in the kinds of performers he gets that are “under the radar”. If Brooks tells me that Newton is the man he wants in there….then he is. I griped about Hartline when Brooks said he needed to be in there, and I was wrong……now it’s Newton’s turn.
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by ALLBLUCAT on Nov 16, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No questions now about who will be playing.....Hartline is having surgery
so that finishes that question…..
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by ALLBLUCAT on Nov 16, 2009 9:24 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
No doubt we have what it takes to win out
but I just don’t see how Kentucky can suddenly play 8 quarters of solid football. We need to have everyone, EVERYONE, play from snap to whistle and I just haven’t seen that up to now, not for a whole game, much less two games. Somebody (players and/or coaches) seem to have mental lapses either for a half, quarter or some critical point in the game.
The win over Vandy was great and bowl eligibility is wonderful but gushing over our performance against Vandy is a bit over the top. Lauding the defense is nice but evidentily Vandy hadn’t seen tape of our execution against counters and only ran them a few times. Offensively, why did it take until the second half to know what to do? I just wish this staff could react a little faster to what opposing offenses/defenses are doing and make adjustment as the game progresses. For Georgia and Tennessee we better be ready to play from the kick-off and make changes on the run or the games could be over by halftime.
by hoboat33 on Nov 16, 2009 1:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
now you and I are on the same page.......just dont see it happening all of a sudden
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by ALLBLUCAT on Nov 16, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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