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Clarifying the Tipton Faux Pas

You know, I hate these kerfuffles with mainstream media reporters, particularly with Jerry Tipton.  He inspires so much passion (most of it negative) that it can suck all the air out of an otherwise good day, and convert it into napalm-throwing anger.

John Clay of the Herald-Leader was kind enough to email me this morning about the matter.  Of course, he did not try to speak for Tipton, nor the paper, but just assured me that Tipton made an error in his characterization of events, and did not intend to describe Patterson driving off in his truck that way, as though he actually saw it happen.  His main point was, Tipton had no malicious intent in making that mistake, it was just a misworded sentence that got through.

Tipton has corrected his article on the Herald-Leader website (the sentence now reads "For Patterson, the fun figures to continue when he climbs back into his new black truck."), and according to Larry Vaught, has apologized to the Pattersons, which they have presumably accepted.  Tipton's clarification can be found on his blog, for what it's worth, and I find it pretty weak beer.

So what should we make of all this?

Star-divide

For me, I can understand how mistakes can happen in articles like this.  Why?  Because I make them all the time, and they get pointed out -- sometimes emphatically and with unpleasant additional commentary.

You may ask how I can be so understanding of something so apparently egregious, and my answer is that unless you write stuff for public consumption, you have no idea how easy or frequently these kinds of errors can crop up.  What typically happens is that you go back and edit something you have written, and then don't reread the whole thing closely.  Suddenly, that sentence you just edited seems to say something completely at odds with what you intended.  Sometimes you catch it, and sometimes not.  Sometimes it is defensible as misunderstood, and sometimes, not so much.

You may wonder why his editor would not catch it, but really, that's an easy one.  Editors depend on reporters to get the facts straight, and a fact like that would not really be subject to checking -- Tipton was apparently describing an event he witnessed, and how could an editor gainsay him in that case?  He could have checked with the Pattersons, but Tipton isn't exactly a cub reporter and would be expected to get his facts, especially one written as though he saw it himself, straight.

In the end, I will accept this explanation, although I don't expect it will play very well in the Big Blue Nation.  It is said that he who lives in a glass house is unwise to cast stones, and I have made many mistakes that could as easily be called animus instead of carelessness.  At the same time, I am most dissatisfied with the fact that Tipton did not explain all this in more detail.  It probably wouldn't have mattered to his detractors, but I would have liked to have seen him do it.

For those of you who think Tipton has an agenda, he almost undoubtedly does.  He wants to expose facts like Patterson's car to public scrutiny, and have an explanation as to where it came from.  The fact that having it out there like that, unexplained, can cause people to draw incorrect conclusions or ask skeptical questions seems not to trouble him at all. 

In a way, it is good to have a guy searching for compliance problems -- it keeps UK on their toes and forces them to be especially careful.  But it is certainly going to alienate the fans, this one included.  I don't like Tipton's style at all, but I have to say that errors happen, and the rule is, never impute to malice that which can be easily explained by incompetence (in this case, carelessness or a tight deadline).  Yes, I am aware of charges by many UK fans that Tipton is actually working against UK.  I am not satisfied that is so, but I refuse to discount the possibility, and Tipton has done nothing to reassure me in that regard.

In this case, Jerry's writing was careless, not malicious.  That's my opinion, for what it's worth.  He has apologized to those most directly affected, as he should have.  I guess that will have to do.

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I disagree

John Clay was wrong to defend Tipton for fabricating a story.This was malicious because what does this have to do with the Blue/White game?Nothing.Tipton failed,and at least with the internet,some sort of truth came out.Clay seems to be lacking in the ethics department as well.

by -Zoso- on Oct 30, 2009 10:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Okay.

Fair enough. I expect I’ll have a lot of disagreement, and I’m certainly not going to defend Tipton against a perception of unfairness. He has certainly earned some of that.

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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 30, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Clay doesn't deserve to be dragged to Tipton's level

Yes, he is defending Tipton. But all he is saying is that it wasn’t intentional or with malice. I’m disappointed in Clay, but he works with the guy, they have the same boss, Tipton is probably considered his superior, and there have been lots of jobs cut (and will be more) at the LHL. Give Clay a break. He is the his job right it seems, and is superior to Tipton. He can defend a guy under these pressures.

by JackBluto on Oct 31, 2009 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dead and done then

Wondeer who’s going to start at quarterback?

by ParisGuy on Oct 30, 2009 10:48 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Newton, according to the detph chart.

In about 1 hour I’ll have a Q&A with the Mississippi State SB Nation blogger, and we’ll get back to football. :-).

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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 30, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank goodness....

for that. Today should be about a largely important football game tomorrow night. Tonight at the roar we get started. Tipton’s in the rear view mirror , if at all. Go Cats!!

by UK1972 on Oct 30, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ducks for cover

I actually appreciate Tipton’s coverage of our basketball program.

The primary role of the media is to direct sunlight into public agencies (which UK is) and while many of his points (i.e. the chanting of recruits name by crowds) seem trivial, the Big Blue Nation has no shortage of cheerleaders.

I believe Tipton performs an important role for our program by keeping the program’s feet to the fire. If the program even just once re-considers a questionable action because they think it might get reported, then he is doing his job.

I honestly believe that Tipton is a UK fan and wishes the program well, he just so happens to have the job of pointing out our warts. Sometimes he makes mistakes, and when he does, I am certain that he knows the mob will approach his home with pitchforks and torches.

by Strangeite on Oct 30, 2009 10:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well said.

I don’t know if Jerry is a fan or not, but I do not believe his is trying to bring the program down, although I remain open to the possibility he is based on some other things that have happened. He is a reporter, and his job is to report.

Sometimes, that reporting can be taken the wrong way.

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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 30, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can assure you he's not a fan

Not because I think he’s an enemy, just because I know he has no connection/affiliation to UK other than his job. He came from West Virginia in the early/mid 80s (same paper I worked for, actually) and covered Marshall and graduated from Marshall.

Five or 10 years ago I would have said he was the most unbiased reporter on the beat because half of the guys (including friends of mine) at least graduated from UK. But his way of reporting and insinuation are lines many professional journalists won’t cross. And most of the guys who graduated from UK on the beat live for a huge story and will unturn every stone (May, Dawson, Clay, Cosby, etc.), but they would never have mentioned the truck unless there was some improprieties because of the simple speculation its mention would have created.

by Travis Hubbard on Oct 30, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

your last sentence hit my point exactly...

either he did it on purpose or he did not realize the simple speculation it would create….

neither is good and either way it is not what i would expect a respectable paper to want in a beat writer (of course, my premise of respectable paper will be questioned by some…)

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on Oct 30, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Travis ...

… has been there and done that from a journalism standpoint. His words carry far more weight with me than most.

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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 31, 2009 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Position Of Choice
he just so happens to have the job of pointing out our warts

Incorrect, his position of critical monitor of all things Blue is one of his own choosing, nothing happenstance or coincidental about it. Furthermore having achieved a moment of notoriety in the position he finds himself unable to move past it, yea, even trapped in a continual pursuit of same.

"Learn(ing) without thinking begets ignorance. Think(ing) without learning is dangerous."
-Confucius

by Wild Weasel on Oct 30, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mountain out of mole hill

Did Patterson get in his truck and drive away after the game? If he did, then technically what Tipton wrote was correct. Either way, the first two graphs of the story explain Patterson’s parents purchased the truck.
He is a critical monitor, and should be. That’s what reporters are paid to do, not throw up softballs for public figures. I’m a reporter too, and we’re given freedoms because we’re supposed to be critical and paranoid.
People can’t have it both ways. People whine about fact checking, then they don’t advertise or buy subscriptions, which means jobs get cut — i.e. copy editors and the like. People whine the media doesn’t shed enough light on subjects, but then when they do they criticized for being morbid and having an agenda.
Mr. Tipton is not just an average beat reporter. His job is to find color in the mundane, something beyond the norm. He saw fit to lead the story talking about Patterson’s truck. Perhaps his motive was to get people to ask how he was able to buy it, perhaps not. But now you have the knowledge, and you have the power to do with it what you please. To me, that’s the ultimate responsibility of the press. Passing on information. Maybe Jerry should have written an article about Gerald Fitch’s Mercedes SUV complete with 20-inch chrome rims a few years back that he drove around campus. I for one was always suspicious of how that was purchased.

by daniel81 on Oct 30, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Problem is, Daniel....Patterson doesnt even have the truck here

it is at his home, his parents wouldnt let him bring it here so that there would be no questions as to where it came from, or who was controlling it. They did that to avoid exactly this type of negative publicity for themselves and the program.

And Tipton can go find color in a paint store for all I care, leave Patrick Patterson alone….the young man represents everything that is good in a really screwed up world. He deserves better than Jerry Tipton.

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by ALLBLUCAT on Oct 30, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Daniel,
Did Patterson get in his truck and drive away after the game? If he did, then technically what Tipton wrote was correct. Either way, the first two graphs of the story explain Patterson’s parents purchased the truck.

The answer to your first question is “No.” As to the “first two graphs”, that is what they say now, in the new version. Did you even see the original?

Yes, reporters are more than free to be critical monitors. That’s fine.

But no, reporters are not paid to make sh*t up.

And no, it is not whining to expect paid professionals to not make sh*t up. Whether we have bought subscriptions or not. It is the reporters who are doing the whining if they are using a lack of paid subscriptions to cover up for the fact that they are making sh*t up.

by Sonic on Oct 30, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What did he make up?

Perhaps the case was he assumed since Patterson had a new truck, it was with him on campus. So after the game he assumed he “climbed into his new truck…”. Sure, he should have asked specifically if the truck was in Lexington, but life is for learning. People make mistakes everyday, as I’m sure you do on your job, I know I do. Difference is your mistakes aren’t available for the whole world to see.
Imagine if there were blog postings about every time a lawyer lost a case, a student failed in a teacher’s class or a server messed up an order at a diner. I don’t think in most cases the teacher, lawyer or server screwed up intentionally. Maybe I’m wrong.

by daniel81 on Oct 30, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with daniel

This is not a big a deal to me. At all. Tipton knew Patterson had a new truck. Tipton made the incredibly tiny and infantesimally unimportant assumption that he therefore drove away from the game in it. I don’t get the outrage here. He probably shouldn’t have drawn that conclusion without actually witnessing it, but who cares? It was a tiny, throwaway line that really had nothing to do with the rest of the story. If people want to get outraged, by all means go for it, but I just don’t see it.

by blue kentucky girl on Oct 30, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

its not a conclusion bkg....it's a lie.....a fabrication.....

and it was written in such a manner that it can be construed as Jerry Tipton trying to start something where nothing exists…..

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by ALLBLUCAT on Oct 30, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't see it that way

I read the line as adding flavor to the story. No more, no less.

Use Occam’s Razor. What is more likely to be true?

That he add mentioned Patterson getting into his truck to add flavor to the story and never gave it a seconds thought.

Or, that he deliberately lied to cast asspertions upon the program, even though he knew the truck was purchased by his parents and in doing so, jeopardize his own career and reputation.

Answer that honestly, and I think you will see why many think we are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

by Strangeite on Oct 30, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if it were any other writer than Tipton ( or Pat Forde)

I would say you were probably right. But with Tipton’s track record, I find that much harder to believe

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by ALLBLUCAT on Oct 30, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So

If you’re skeptical of something you cover, you have a track record? I’ll admit it, my time at UK made be pretty dang skeptical of how the bball program was run. Honestly, I find it much easier to be a fan now that I live outside of Lexington.

by daniel81 on Oct 30, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually its his style of writing and questioning that makes the statement suspect.

Tipton gets in a barb in a press conference every chance he gets…..he has very little positive to say about things that have a remarkable impact on the program and usually manages to get a snide comment in everything he writes about the Cats….this one bit him in the ass…..

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by ALLBLUCAT on Oct 30, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just so we are clear

You are saying that Tipton would jeopardize his career by intentionally printing a falsehood to make the program look bad, even though he knew there was no impropriety.

Do I have that correct?

by Strangeite on Oct 30, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am syaing that Jerry Tipton will take every opportunity

he gets to stir up a lot of crap…..just to keep people reading ……
Tipton has proved on more than one occasion he cares nothing about the program….he is all about Jerry….I guess that used to sell papers…..

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by ALLBLUCAT on Oct 30, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly!

If the primary thing Tipton cares about his himself, why in the world would he intentionally publish a lie when he knows for a fact that there is nothing shady there.

Too much risk for no gain.

No, the far more logical explanation is that he spent less time thinking about that sentence than it took to actually write it.

by Strangeite on Oct 30, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and if that is the situation, then fine.....

but as I said….this aint the first time……maybe he has alzheimers???

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by ALLBLUCAT on Oct 30, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And why...

Should he care about the program? He’s not paid to care, he’s paid to critique and analyze, not do P.R.

by daniel81 on Oct 30, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he is not paid to care.....he is paid to write the news....

not make it up as he goes along….

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by ALLBLUCAT on Oct 30, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Listen

I like you ABC, but you are not thinking rationally.

Direct that anger at something more worthy, like the inappropriate punishment Memphis received for the SAT fiasco or the absurdity of the NCAA having a rule punishing schools if their fans chants a recruits name.

This isn’t worth it.

by Strangeite on Oct 30, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am honestly not as angry as you might think.

I am more befuddled by what he did and has always done, but that too is background noise. This is about Patrick and his family. We need every recruit we can get that has this kid’s values, parenting and committment to this school.What would you think if you were a prospective recruit and you saw this?? The press has no qualms about making someone else’s life miserable just to “get the story” I am sorry if this is Jerry’s turn in the barrel, but he wrote it….he has to live with the grief.

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by ALLBLUCAT on Oct 30, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point on potential impact to recruiting

Who wants to come to a crazy fishbowl that these articles make UK Basketball out to be?

No matter where you're at, there you are

by cincyblue on Oct 30, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The thing is

A recruit that read that story wouldn’t give it a second glance, what might actually turn a recruit off is the level of intense debate among the fans, all because of one simple sentence.

by Strangeite on Oct 30, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tipton has very little risk, here

We’ll move on b/c this is small potatoes. LHL can stir up crap and everyone moves on. Time will pass, and the pot will get stirred again in a few weeks. Meanwhile this episode adds to UK’s detractors. I guarantee most will not read the revisions to the article. They’ll enjoy the Schadenfreude, facts ignored.

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by cincyblue on Oct 30, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a dang truck!!!

That his parents paid for! If people get mad about that and say we’re cheaters, they’re pretty much idiots so who cares what they think? If a recruit can’t see the story for what it really is, I’m not sure we need him anyway.

by daniel81 on Oct 30, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is not that innocent

at all. Tipton has been fishing for anything negative he can find on the program. So he can’t find anything on Patterson and fabricates an insinuation that there was something improper with the new truck. The man has an agenda along with Mark Story and that is to be the first to bring down Kentucky under Calipari. They will not let the facts stand in their way.

by kywineman on Oct 31, 2009 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, daniel,

but “life is for learning” and “[p]eople make mistakes everyday” don’t fly for me here, coming from you.

I don’t mean any offense by it, but I remember months ago you taking the very hard position that John Wall’s trespass charge was inexcusable and that UK had no business offering him a scholarship.

If you couldn’t excuse a 17 year old highschooler trespassing in a vacant house as a “mistake” to learn from, how can you excuse a seasoned, experienced journalist making blatantly untrue statements as “mistake?”

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on Oct 30, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ouch.

That’s gonna leave a mark.

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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 30, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ouch.

Maybe he paid his lawyer fees with the $ he got from his last AAU coach? Who knows? I’m sure tomorrow there will be another column on here about how the vacation of two final fours doesn’t mean anything, nor does the Rose thing, or the Wall thing, or the other Memphis players that allegedly cheated on their ACT’s…it’s all a figment of our imaginations….

But that dang Jerry Tipton…we just know he’s up to no good… and um…by the way…breaking the law is a little bit different than misinterpreting what a player was saying.

by daniel81 on Oct 30, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are newspaper writers not subject to fact-checks and editors anymore??

And tell me this, if we had written a story like this on ASOB, and the net picked up on it….and it caused embarrassment to Patrick and his family,probably put the NCAA on high alert, and had the school’s compliance dept hopping, would YOU have handled it this way Tru???

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by ALLBLUCAT on Oct 30, 2009 10:56 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah.

It’s happened before. We just handle it, apologize, and try to move on. I don’t know about the NCAA being on high alert, but we’ve caused controversy here before. Obviously, when newspapers do it, it carries more weight than when some random blogger like me does it.

Fact-checking looks easier than it is, trust me. As a person who has done editing and made mistakes, I can tell you that no amount of skill or determination will keep them out.

But I don’t blame you if you’re outraged. When people get it wrong, they should be blamed.

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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 30, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone but PPat might not cause such outrage, but I still believe it would

but to do that to that kid and his family after as much as he has given of himself….and as much of a great example he AND his parents are to the world that you can go to a big school, go to class, get a degree, and still make yourself a pro…..and do it all the right way…..it’s a lousy thing to do to them

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by ALLBLUCAT on Oct 30, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on Oct 30, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's different though.

You run a site that is NOT credentialed media. Tipton works for a newspaper with a fact-checking and editing department. He is and should be held to a higher standard that you, Tru, as far as not printing mistakes, especially of this caliber.

Further, I don’t see that Tipton has apoligized, but rather made a very half-ass attempt at explaining (more like justifying) himself.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on Oct 30, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think I addressed ...

… how that got through the editor in my post.

You are right, he should be held to a high standard, and I’m pretty sure he will be. I think we can both agree, though, that this was not a firing offense, and you didn’t suggest it was. I have no doubt that his boss has admonished him to some degree.

I agree with you that Tipton did not apologize to anyone but the Pattersons. He corrected the record, but he did not explain the error. I think that he should have explained in more detail, at least to say “It was an accident.” But nothing. I don’t think that is a good way to go.

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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 30, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, Tru, I disagree

Even if his complete fabrication had actually been true, it still had nothing to do with the Blue/White game, or anything else.

So, at best, he is just guilty of making stuff up to fill out his word count and meet a deadline? Then why didn’t he just make something up about Patterson putting on a cape and flying around the world to rescue a child from an earthquake? Why did it have to be about driving away from a scrimmage in an expensive new truck?

by Sonic on Oct 30, 2009 11:00 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Okay.

Fair enough.

 I agree that it probably needed to go in another story. Maybe Tipton just didn’t think it warranted one, and added it in here. Who knows?

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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 30, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're a good and fair man Tru

but Tipton should be made to explain himself in public and apologize at the very least

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by ALLBLUCAT on Oct 30, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well ...

… that’s up to him and his employer, I guess. There’s nothing we can do to “make” him do anything, except maybe convince the H-L that it’s in their best interests.

I wouldn’t expect that to happen, though. I’d like to see a more detailed explanation, too.

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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 30, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with ABC,

you do a great job running ASOB.

But I disagree with you, again, that Patterson’s new truck “probably needed to go in another story”.

And what story would that be, Tru? A story about parents giving their children Christmas presents? Other than that… there is no story here.

by Sonic on Oct 30, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay.

I think you have a fair point. We’ll just agree to disagree on that. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 30, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough, Tru

.
One good thing to come of this is that we can probably expect a little less fabrication from Jerry for at least the rest of this season…. :-)

by Sonic on Oct 30, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tipton fan

I consider Jerry Tipton among the best sports writers in the country. The Herald-Leader is lucky to have him, and so are Kentucky fans.

by Stephen Trimble on Oct 30, 2009 11:01 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't really have a strong opinion on Tipton either way

But you, sir, are a brave man (or a troll)! LOL I will assume good faith and go with the former.

by Acdixon on Oct 30, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks - i think

No courage, necessary, sir. I’m honestly shocked that Tipton’s reporting is a problem for any UK fans.

by Stephen Trimble on Oct 30, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

had to make light of some of it somehow.....lol......

Tipton just kills me sometimes…..thank God he is a newspaper reporter and not on TV with ESPN or someone else….who knows how many things he could start up…..

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by ALLBLUCAT on Oct 30, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure it is.

However, Mr. Trimble joined ASOB today, and his only comments have come on this issue.

One would not be too far out in left field to assume that he joined for the very purpose of defending Tipton.

Which, of course, if fine, but if Mr. Trimble has a personal or professional relationship with Tipton, it should be disclosed, IMHO.

Otherwise, welcome to the forum.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on Oct 30, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So...

On an anonymous blog where anybody could be anybody, this guy is supposed to spill his guts because he supports Tipton? Man, the double standards just keep on rolling…

by daniel81 on Oct 30, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't see a double standard ...

… but no disclosure is either required or warranted, only compliance with the community guidelines, which Mr. Trimble has amply done.

He is most welcome, and need not disclose anything.

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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 30, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now, wait.

Even if he did, that is fine. Such a disclosure is not necessary in this forum.

Everyone with an opinion is welcome, as long as they obey the community guidelines, which do not mandate disclosure of possible conflicts of interest.

If such a conflict becomes apparent, I may require clarification from time to time, but his opinion is in no way out of the mainstream, nor is it of sufficient force to suggest a relationship.

Let’s treat our new members with respect, and not question their motives.

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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 30, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe

Stephen Trimble is just a screen name used by Jerry Tipton to come on here and defend himself.

by kywineman on Oct 31, 2009 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm outta here

I am not, nor have ever been, Jerry Tipton. Nor do I have a professional, personal or any other kind of relationship with him. I appreciate Truzenzuzex’s welcome, but this will be the last time I comment on this forum.

by Stephen Trimble on Oct 31, 2009 6:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Tipton does a lot well, and a lot not so well.

It’s more a matter of taste, really.

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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 30, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm moving to Lexington

and opening a store that only sells pitchforks and torches. I’ll be a millionaire by February!

by don'tshootmei'macard on Oct 30, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ill take 2......lightweight with a sharpening stone for the pitchfork

I have my own torches…..lol

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by ALLBLUCAT on Oct 30, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with your assessment, Tru

but the main difference between you and Mr. Tipton is that you have the anonymity of the blogosphere on your side…. as well as I don’t believe that this is your primary job, just your hobby… am I correct? If my presumption is right, then a man who considers this an intense hobby is doing a much better job of covering UK sports than a man who’s identity is not only crystal clear to everyone in central Kentucky. Not to mention that he’s a man who’s primary source of income (I assume) is to do one particular task. I don’t think Mr. Tipton should be fired but some sort of punishment should be in order. It’s not like he wrote a 40 page essay concerning the relationship between UK fans and their coach and how it directly effects the agriculture and climate in the entire state! It should be pretty easy to fact check coverage of an inter-squad scrimmage I guess is what I am trying to say!

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by sleepytimetea on Oct 30, 2009 11:16 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yep.

Well, I’m not really anonymous — all one has to do is click on my name and read my profile to know who I am. Pseudonymous is the correct description.

You know, how people cover sports is a preference, really. I’m sure there are tons of people who prefer the KSR or Cats Pause coverage to mine, and maybe even more that prefer Tipton and the H-L.

So while I totally appreciate the compliment, beauty is pretty much in the eye of the beholder. :-)

I’m sure the H-L editors admonished Tipton to be more careful. They don’t like to have to deal with the fallout from this, either.

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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 30, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tru..did you ever run across RADM Ralph W. West Jr duting your USN days?

He was my boss at the Naval Post Graduate School in Monterery in the early 90’s..quite a character…sorry if off topic…

by BlueOrion on Oct 30, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds familiar ...

… but I can’t say for sure. I was in COMSUBLANT for a three years, and COMSUBPAC for one. The only admirals that left an impression on me during those days was Kinnard McKee, Hyman G. Rickover’s immediate successor as commander of Naval Reactors. I was a Reactor Operator on board the USS Olympia (SSN 717) during new construction, and all nuclear personnel must perform in front of the Naval Reactors commander on new con ships.

McKee sat in Maneuvering and observed me, the Engineer Officer of the Watch, the Electrical operator and the Throttleman do drills during alpha sea trials. During a fast recovery startup, he asked me where I expected the reactor to become critical. As I recall, I answered close enough. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 30, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I couldn't find a correction in the print LHL today

Doesn’t mean it wasn’t hidden somewhere obscure, but I’m a bit disappointed it wasn’t clear.

I’ve tried to not get too irritated at the insinuation (because that is subjective) that the statements about the truck are making, and stick to being irritated that he simply made up facts.

As a parent, it bugs me that Patterson was just being a 20 year old kid that was excited about having a new car, and Tipton pissed all over it. I remember when my folks bought me a car at about that age, it’s a big deal whether you are a sports star or not.

"The IQ of a mob is the IQ of its most stupid member divided by the number of mobsters." --Terry Pratchett

by Ontherocks on Oct 30, 2009 11:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah.

This whole thing was just a mess. No doubt.

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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 30, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

With due respect to Tru...

I appreciate your magnanimity, Tru, but the fact remains that Tipton will apparently get away with a major mistake that warrants some sort of disciplinary action. If coaches are responsible for their actions, even when it is an oversight, then reporters should be held responsible for their actions. Why should Tipton be allowed to fabricate a storyline and get by with a non-apology when others are accused, tried and convicted without evidence in his own column?

His willingness to publicly trash others and then hide behind his colleagues smacks of blatant hypocrisy.

If a reporter has something incriminating to report, then report it with evidence in place. To write something that is factually untrue borders on libel and should be disciplined.

You may not wish to throw stones, but Tipton should have thought of that before he began his own stone throwing party.

by BluebloodinNaptown on Oct 30, 2009 11:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I understand.

I ask no one to join me, I’m just giving my take. Yours is fine by me. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 30, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

All I can say is it is a good thing Tipton didnt do this to Rick Pitino

cause we would have had press conferences all day……

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by ALLBLUCAT on Oct 30, 2009 11:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Faux Pas NOT!

The comments were at the beginning and the end of the article. I was irritated when I read it and I still am. Sometimes in an effort to be fair we become bystanders when we should be more active. I find the actions afterwards curious. The paper pulled the article. The Tipton blog correction is just strange because it is not a real correction. Having John Clay respond is strange. The fact that the Pattersons accepted “the apology” has nothing to do with my reaction. What choices do the Pattersons’ really have but to be above the fray? If the “error” happened as now surmised then the LHL would have a story up now.

Is this a grand plot? I think not. Is it an innocent mistake? I think not.

A good rule – we are all entitled to our own opinions but NOT our own facts.

by CAWebb on Oct 30, 2009 11:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So you're mad

Tipton wrote a story including Patterson’s new truck? You get mad easily.

by daniel81 on Oct 30, 2009 12:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

NOT!

A perfect example of how wrong you are again …is how many times I have held my opinion about your nonsense. We have all missed you I am sure.

by CAWebb on Oct 30, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well,

I like daniel. : )

He just doesn’t happen to agree with you on this matter. It’s not a crime and it certainly doesn’t make him a bad person.

MY opinion (fwiw) — letting Jerry Tipton’s “mistake” bring out the worst in us and letting it cause us to be rude and fight amongst ourselves seems rather silly.

by BigSkyCat on Oct 30, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here Here!!

Truth be told this is very minor.

A reporter made a mistake.

Let us put it behind us, talk about the football game tomorrow and get along.

While I am at it, we should all bath in leprechaun tears and dry off with rainbows that come from a unicorn’s butt.

by Strangeite on Oct 30, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is not minor

because Tipton is working overtime to find any mistake that he can then make a big issue out of. LIve by the sword…..

by kywineman on Oct 31, 2009 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well thank you BigSky

The truth is, whether in Lex or wherever else, patterson has a truck. Big whoop. If Tipton had wanted to focus a story questioning its legitimacy, I’m sure he would have done it. I don’t think a writer as tenured as Tipton would have just made something up out of the blue, risking his career, to make UK look bad. Let’s put it like this, Tipton sometimes operates in the grey…sound familiar?

by daniel81 on Oct 30, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Easy there, Tex.

Let’s keep it respectful.

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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 30, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

People are mad because Tipton Fabricated a story

I thought the two ultimate sins in journalism are plagiarism and fabrication of a story.

by -Zoso- on Oct 30, 2009 12:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe we have run out of real stories to write.......

oh wait…..this is UK….we NEVER run out of stories…..We manage to produce new information on here daily without doing this kind of stuff…..he gets paid to do it….you would think he could do it right

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by ALLBLUCAT on Oct 30, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They are definitely sins

But most on here have assumed he intentionally fabricated this. I’m not one of them. Facts are not what they seem, I think Tru pretty much nailed it when he talked about writing for public consumption.

by daniel81 on Oct 30, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Tipton didn't always seem to tip-toe his way into the dark side...

he probably would get a pass for this particular article. But since he seems to take pleasure in implying that something sinister is taking place everywhere UK, he deserves to get hammered for his 1) lack of attention to detail 2) failure to meet professional standards; or 3) outright lying (whichever the case may be). I want to be able to see the best in Jerry but he makes it difficult at times.

by BlueOrion on Oct 30, 2009 12:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If you are going to promote yourself as the moral guardian..

you should at least follow fundamental moral and professional standards yourself. Or, at least admit it when you are wrong or have made a mistake.

by BlueOrion on Oct 30, 2009 12:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Why even bring up the truck?

I cringed when I read the article. I was relieved when I found out later in the article that his parents bought it, but I think he did exactly what he intended to do, imply that Patterson got the truck through some underhanded means that would put UK Bball in a bad light (ala Marcus Camby). I don’t ever remember seeing any other player at any other time in recent UK history (Under Pitino, Smith or Gillespie) having what they drove, if they did, brought up. Tipton knows everyone is on edge about everything UK bball and he took advantage of it and put in a completely superflous reference to his new ride to get a rise out of everyone. Congratulations to Twyanna Patterson for calling him on it and reinforcing for the whole world that they bought it for their son that they are proud of and want to reward with a nice Christmas present for being a stand up guy and a role model that all UK fans can be proud of. Shame on you Mr. Tipton. Your half a** rewording shows your intent for what it was. They had a very straightforward unpolitically correct word for what you did when I was growing up, it was called being a liar.

by WCATFAN666 on Oct 30, 2009 12:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

An Idea

Maybe we should just think of Tipton as the crazy uncle who thinks there are Pinkos spying from behind the hedge, that the economy should return to the bronze standard and Millard Fillmore was the greatest President ever.

Sure he is nuts, but he is OUR nutty uncle.

by Strangeite on Oct 30, 2009 12:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Worth a shot

Remember our state motto:

United We Stand, Divided We Fall.

by Strangeite on Oct 30, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought

the state motto was “We’re backwards and looking forwards to staying that way.”

by kywineman on Oct 31, 2009 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Patterson was driving a beat up Jeep SUV

Apparently when the thing broke down out in California his physical trainer made him push it as a workout. The passenger side window didn’t work as well as the windshield wipers on occasion.
Just wanted to add a little background.

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by cincyblue on Oct 30, 2009 1:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking PPat

said his trainer would have made him push it for a work-out if he had had it in SF. :-) But there were the earlier reports of him driving a beat-up purple jeep cherokee.

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by a2d2 on Oct 30, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You could very well be right a2d2. I was going on memory

b/c I couldn’t remember where the link was. Perhaps I got my information from the LHL :)

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by cincyblue on Oct 30, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So when I read that PPat had a new truck

1. I wondered where he got the money.
2. I didn’t think there was any mischief — no one could be that stupid at UK 2009.
3. I moved on.

and failed to realize, the gossip-bomb that the article dropped for UK’s detractors; on PPat and his family. The truck reference wasn’t even germaine to the story, left out there with no explanation. LHL, at some level should have known better.

They had to. Come on, a Kentucky B-ball star gets a new truck. You drop that out of nowhere and move on — knowing UK athletics’s current reputation around world wide sports?

Patterson and his family deserve an apology. I am glad they got one.

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by cincyblue on Oct 30, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only people I hear

Making any sort of deal out this are UK fans….UK fans that say they already hated Tipton and apparently comb through every article he writes looking for some more venom to load into their fangs. Whoa, that was kind of graphic, sorry.

by daniel81 on Oct 30, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if he doesnt like it he can always write about the Cards

I am sure they would love to have him write about them the way he writes about the Cats

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by ALLBLUCAT on Oct 30, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are his parents giving him a car or not?

Poor Patrick, season hasn’t begun and he’s already a target. Where in ithe world would we be with out some one to make the scrap goat today? Tipton is the latest and easiest at the moment. Tomorrow we probably can recap how we’re abused by the NCAA again.
I guess all the Cat’s players need to list what they get at Christmas so we can voice our opinions on where its proper or not for their parents to give them anything. Jerry, don’t post anything but fluff pieces from now on and we’ll welcome you back in the fold.

by ParisGuy on Oct 30, 2009 1:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

C'mon Paris.....that's a load of nonsense and you know it

Patterson has done nothing to draw the ire of anyone in the media or any fan…..get over your football fetish and let it be….Tipton has pulled stunts like this in the past and that is why he catches hell….period. He has a track record, and has no one to blame but himself for this little stunt.

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by ALLBLUCAT on Oct 30, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good Stuff!

I like that, Football Fetish!
Please continue.
If Jerry isn’t ‘rah, rah’ in every article, he’s scum. I’ll read his stuff because he’s got the better resources that we do and its so much fun to see the flock here tear anyone apart who isn’’t ready to gain Sainthood to Coach “I know nothing” Cal.
Football Fetish. That’s me. You nailed it on the head. You don’t work for CSI do you?

by ParisGuy on Oct 31, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Man, it's an obvious case

Of selective punishment.
Over the summer and fall, I’ve read on here and not commented on the reasoning given behind the two vacated final fours, the Rose situation and the Wall situation. I read it was a conspiracy against UK, I read the past has nothing to do with the future, I read there was no hard proof of anything so we should give Cal the benefit of the doubt.
Now Tipton writes this, and nearly all are ready to crucify him. They say it’s because of his past track record and the past has influenced how he writes now. That he intentionally did this, though there’s no proof of that at all. Selective punishment.

by daniel81 on Oct 30, 2009 1:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If it were selective punishment Daniel something would be happening to Tipton

as far as I know nothing has been done to him, except he is getting an earful from the Big Blue Nation…..he should be used to that by now.

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by ALLBLUCAT on Oct 30, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's selective punishment by fans, that's what I meant

Your comment above shows it:
“He has a track record, and has no one to blame but himself”

You’re talking about Tipton, but if I made the same comment about Calipari, you’d say it’s a straw man, when the comment could be said about both in this instance.

by daniel81 on Oct 30, 2009 1:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh Lord, this just in from Pat Forde's Twitter page

The truck was delivered by Emory Worldwide. It fell out of a box.

I thought we could use a laugh.

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by cincyblue on Oct 30, 2009 2:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Literally LOL cincy,,,,,good one :-)

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by a2d2 on Oct 30, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well ...

… I laughed. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 30, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe we should let Patterson's own mother have the final word

As reported on KSR:

But as for the current issue, Tywanna Patterson simply says, "I just wish he would report on the game and not things that didnt happen."

But of course, Mrs. Patterson is just wanting to “selectively punish” and crucify Tipton.

Daniel, maybe you should write her an e-mail calling her out for it— I am sure she will find it quite amusing— especially considering the fact that you obviously never even read Tipton’s original article in the first place!

by Sonic on Oct 30, 2009 2:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nope

I didn’t read the original, but I do enjoy your use of bold words to get points across, it’s quite entertaining.
I think it’s funny that Mrs. Patterson is concerned about reporting on stuff that doesn’t relate to the game, so much so she’s made herself available for comments over virtually a non-issue that has nothing to do with a game to KSR. It’s kind of like last year when she was making comments about Billy G. Hmmm….

by daniel81 on Oct 30, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, it obviously wasn't a "non issue" to the Patterson family, Daniel

Which is something you might understand better if you had actually seen the original, instead of so eloquently defending the corrected version that well all agree is no big deal.

by Sonic on Oct 30, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't find the original

Please post it so I can see what all the belly aching is about. Reading this stuff would make you think Tipton smacked Patterson’s mom. Heck PPAT was obviously talking about, hence the quote. Non issue to me.
I mean think about it. Calapari just vacated another final four, Wall is being questioned, our coach’s past actions are being questioned, and people are pissed Tipton mentioned Patterson having a truck.
Perhaps Sonic you would understand that better if you could remove your fanhood and look at things objectively. But I don’t see that happening anytime soon.

by daniel81 on Oct 30, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's been changed.

The original Tipton article is no longer available. For the specific sentence in question, please read this post and then what I wrote in the post above, and you will see what it was, and what it is now.

You are not exactly being objective either, Danial. Your dislike of Calipari is well known by everyone here, and he has nothing whatever to do with the subject of this debate, yet somehow, it finds it’s way in.

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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 30, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not that I don't like him

It’s that I don’t trust him. I think he’s a great coach, but I don’t think he puts integrity of players before winning. That’s just me though.

by daniel81 on Oct 30, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's fine. I can totally appreciate that.

But taking a shot at him like that isn’t just unfair to him, it’s irrelevant to the discussion. Let’s keep our metaphors accurate and non-controversial, shall we?

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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 30, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But I do find it relevant

Very relevant. People are saying because of Tipton’s past, he’s automatically guilty. But they are the same one’s saying Calipari’s past is just hearsay. I find that somewhat hypocritical, but I see what you’re getting at.

by daniel81 on Oct 30, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is not relevant.

Look, I know you are trying to illustrate that UK fans are giving Calipari’s past a pass, but not Tiption.

Calipari did nothing wrong as far as anyone knows. That is a fact. You insist on conflating the two issues just to distract attention from the main point, thinking that you are showing that UK fans are giving a pass for wrongdoing in one case and pointing it out in the other.

Calipari is innocent of wrongdoing as far as the NCAA is concerned, and quite frankly, they are the only measuring stick that matters. So leave him out of this. There are plenty of places where this sort of attack might belong, but this is not one of them. You are raising a strawman. Calipari’s conduct is not at issue here.

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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 31, 2009 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Both are accused

Without proof. That’s all I was getting at. In the end, I think both are demonized by their retractors far more than should be. Like I said, cal makes me uneasy. But I don’t think he’s a bad person or shuns responsibility, I just think some of his recruits aren’t always the cleanest acts. But those that hate him use every little thing to declare he’s the devil, just like tipton.

by daniel81 on Nov 1, 2009 11:07 AM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think it's a non issue.

It’s just not a huge issue. I also understand why Patterson’s mother was upset enough to say something. The Pattersons have had more than one run-in with Jerry Tipton over their son. One was a misquote, and one was some rather out of place pointed questioning about something or other.

So give them a break. Give Tipton a break, too. He made an error that almost every reporter makes from time to time, and I accept that explanation, even if I am a bit suspicious of Tipton’s motives – not in this case, but overall. He seems to make far too many controversial reports for me just to assume good faith.

But he generally gets his facts right.

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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 30, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The article Ms. Patterson may have been referring to ...

This is possibly the article that Tywanna Patterson referred to when she said that Jerry Tipton misquoted her in a story about OJ Mayo and Patrick Patterson. This article was published on August 30, 2006:

Aug. 30—O.J. Mayo, a nomadic basketball celebrity since middle school, officially transferred to his third high school yesterday when he enrolled in his hometown Huntington (W.Va.) High School. That’s the same school attended by Patrick Patterson, a heralded prospect believed to be high on Kentucky’s recruiting wish list.

Mayo, even more heralded than Patterson, scratched Kentucky from his college list several years ago. That raised a logical question: Could Mayo dissuade Patterson from signing with UK?

Patterson’s mother emphatically shot down that possibility.

The chances of Mayo influencing her son’s college choice were “none, zero,” Tywanna Patterson said. “They will not go to college together or be on the same team. That won’t happen. … I don’t think they have that much rapport.”

by Stephen Trimble on Oct 30, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes.

Or so I suppose.

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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 30, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

New football post up.

Just in case anybody cares. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 30, 2009 2:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Did you know Brooks has a new truck?

Just sayin’………

LOL

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by cincyblue on Oct 30, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Assumption Is A Journalistic Taboo
So after the game he assumed he "climbed into his new truck…".

If you are as you say, daniel81, a reporter you should know that not printing assumptions as facts is one of the first commands of journalism education. That you condone such blatant violation of journalistic standards, especially by an experienced, award-winning reporter, exceeds the bounds of even maximum tolerance, not to mention logic as stipulated by the late Jay Gould.

"The invalid assumption that correlation implies cause is probably among the two or three most serious and common errors of human reasoning"

"Learn(ing) without thinking begets ignorance. Think(ing) without learning is dangerous."
-Confucius

by Wild Weasel on Oct 30, 2009 2:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Misquoting people

Is even worst than assumptions, which you just did to me. I never said assuming was OK, I said it happens and just because he assumed something doesn’t mean he maliciously tried to defame Patterson or his family. Sorry I don’t have a bloated quote from a dead guy to follow that up with.

by daniel81 on Oct 30, 2009 2:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Stephen Jay Gould

is not just a “dead guy” with “bloated quote(s)”.

He is one of my favorite science writers— as dog-eared copies of 13 of his books will attest.

Wild Weasel was just trying to help you as you continue down your journey of journalism, Daniel.

by Sonic on Oct 30, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have never met a person

That didn’t claim they knew everything about journalism.
-Daniel S.

by daniel81 on Oct 30, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont know everything about journalism.....

and apparently neither does Jerry Tipton…..

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by ALLBLUCAT on Oct 30, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, you have now, Daniel

because I personally do not claim to know much more about journalism than just the basic principle that reporters are not supposed to just make sh*t up. I have no problem stating that from your formal studies, you probably know quite a bit more about journalism than I do. At least I hope you do.

If you mean Gould, well, that would probably be wrong as well. Gould was an evolutionary biologist, among other things. He just tried to take complex science and write about it in a way that gave laypersons a fighting chance at understanding and enjoying it.

Now, if you mean Wild Weasel… well… that I can’t help with as much. That guy I don’t know so well—- although I do think his quote was meant as helpful.

by Sonic on Oct 30, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure

His quote means a and b don’t equal c, which I can also use to back my own argument. That being that Jerry Tipton should replace Evilhardt next year…I wonder if can score a Jerry Tipton mask to wear for halloween.

by daniel81 on Oct 30, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do love this site so....we can quote

anyone from Bear Bryant to Homer’s Iliad here and make it fit Basketball……what a country!!!

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by ALLBLUCAT on Oct 30, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Tipton

Owes me a subscription.

by daniel81 on Oct 30, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or at least ...

… a signed copy of his article. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 30, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Implication Of Non-intent

I don’t know what method you use to divine Tipton’s intent, daniel 81 – tea leaves or poultry entrails perhaps – but you certainly imply that you know it was an assumption on the part of the writer (or are you just assuming the assumption?). Me? I prefer to use Tipton’s past record to guide me in my determination what was most likely: Who knows how many axes he has worn out at his journalistic grindstone? The twit never misses an opportunity to put the University in the worst possible light and then quickly retreats to the safety of journalism’s big tent of “just doing the public good”. In this instance where the facts were indequate to make his preferred (assumed) point he decides to embellish the account with untruths and misquotes.

"Learn(ing) without thinking begets ignorance. Think(ing) without learning is dangerous."
-Confucius

by Wild Weasel on Oct 30, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

worst/worse

I made a mistake, I must intentionally hate grammar and will do anything to prove that. Retraction forthcoming…

by daniel81 on Oct 30, 2009 2:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Its not my place to forgive

that is the Patterson’s job since it directly affected them. But between Tipton’s whole Cal article last week and this Patterson stuff, he clearly has an agenda. I don’t buy the whole “mistake” thing. Sorry, I just don’t . Its one thing if I make a bad error or you do Tru but we don’t get paid for our words. We don’t have the training that he does. He should have been more careful. We have enough wolves right now surrounding us and we don’t need one in our own backyard.

Kentucky bretheren united once again! Thanks Cal!

by tenken on Oct 30, 2009 3:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You may be right

But he corrected the record. A baseball player bats .300 and makes the hall of fame, a writer gets 99.5 percent of his stories/quotes right and he’s an idiot. Think about it.
Agenda, no agenda, I still don’t see how this really hurt the Pattersons. I think most people who follow the program no the type of person Patterson is and didn’t automatically assume the worst when reading the original(which I didn’t, mainly because I’m a bad person). I don’t know, at any point in the original article did he mention who bought the truck? If so, then this is really a non issue.

by daniel81 on Oct 30, 2009 3:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think the harm ...

… was more perceived than real, and possibly due to earlier run-ins the family has had with Jerry.

The problem was that the whole truck thing was kind of bolted on to the article without sufficient explanation of where it came from and why (facts I’m sure the Pattersons would have happily supplied, but weren’t given the opportunity to do so) and the fact that he gave an eyewitness account of an event that did not occur involving her son.

Combine those things, and you should not be surprised at her irritation.

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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 30, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

seems to me

…that most of the ire is based on an overall context of things Tipton writes, not really on this one specific incident. Because of the context, people rush to assume Tipton’s diabolical intent.
But if it were any other reporter, would there be the same response?
I never saw the originally posted article (I don’t think), but I do seem to recall that PPat himself was quoted speaking about the truck, and apparently that was legitimate reporting….so if the player is talking freely about his new truck, it certainly doesn’t seem like the journalist is rushing to exploit some wild secret.
As for writing something that was not factually true, but was simply made up…..I think there are lots of problems in this area in the mainstream media. (I recall at one point in my life thinking that “I’ve never read an account in the media of an event I actually attended and found it to be factually accurate.”)
On the other hand, I can easily imagine the following hypothetical scenario (even if the example is silly… it’s just to make the point):
 - after football game, journalist talks to assistant coach. Coach says player is having a problem with his foot, and trainers believe that new cleats will help, so they are going to put him in new cleats.
 - during the week, trainer changes mind about the new cleats
 - player has a breakout game in the next game a week later
 - journalist writes a story, focusing on all the factual details observed onsite at the game, and mentions in passing “little did he know when he laced up those new cleats before taking the field, that they would carry him to an SEC single-game rushing record”
Easy mistake. No big deal?

by Gobe Igbloo on Oct 30, 2009 4:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No

That’s horrible reporting Gobe. He should have followed the player into the locker room, examined his cleats and then checked after the game to make sure they were different. How can you not expect that kind of dedication from a guy making 30k a year? Geez

by daniel81 on Oct 30, 2009 4:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

jounalism 101 - don't make up stuff

although I will concede to daniel that it is just a truck, tipton made up something for color – where does it stop.

given how long he has been the beat writer, he should have known the implications of his statement.

as I have stated before, I do not want HL writers that are only cheerleaders – it is their job to help keep things inline. however, jerry has lost any credibility he had – imo

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on Oct 30, 2009 4:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

When I think I am finished I get sucked back in.

Some might benefit from reading the original. The story was later altered.

.
Tipton’s lead in yesterday’s HERALD-LEADER:

Patrick Patterson drove to Rupp Arena for Wednesday’s Blue-White Game in his new Lincoln Mark LT. The black truck was not the only difference for Kentucky’s big man.

"I’ve got a new game to go with my new car," he said. "I’m trying to show the new areas I’m working on."

Then, this:

For Patterson, the fun figured to continue as he climbed in his new black truck and drove away.

"He just gave in," Patterson said of his father finally fulfilling his pleadings for a new vehicle. "I’m ecstatic."
 
PP2 did not drive the truck to the game. PP2 did not drive the truck from the game. He did not have the truck in Lexington on the day of the game. Reasons Tipton had for what was written? Who knows but the statements surely leave an impression based on false information. The core of this is simply how could Mr. Tipton write “he drove to Rupp” and then “he got in his truck”. What did these comments add to the story? What were the intentions of how the original was written. Look at the correction on Mr. Tipton’s blog and the matter is stil clear as mud…unless one supposes motive.

by CAWebb on Oct 30, 2009 4:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Actually that makes it much clearer

He was obviously looking for color. He must have been bragging about his new ride and Tipton assumed he was driving it to the game. If I told you I had a new car, wouldn’t you assume that I was driving it to and from work/school/game? While a simple “Are you driving the truck around campus” would have answered this question and should have been asked, reading the original makes me think this was not intended to be gotcha journalism. Especially since he wrote that his father bought it.
True, he didn’t get the fact right, but I don’t see this as damning at all. I think if true, it would have a been a good lead, better than something dry like “Patrick Patterson destroyed Perry stevenson in the blue-white scrimmage Wednesday at Rupp Arena.”

If I had read that, i would have quit reading.

by daniel81 on Oct 30, 2009 4:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The most damning thing ...

… was he reported an eyewitness event in a straight news story that didn’t happen. That isn’t color and that isn’t getting a fact wrong in the sense that, say, he misstated a statistic.

It is apparently an accidental miswording that left a very negative impression. If he was attempting to add color by essentially reporting an eyewitness account that did not occur, then he did make stuff up and deserves all of this derision. News reporting does not allow such a thing. You know that. Color is adding some tangential fact, not making one up out of whole cloth.

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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 30, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right

That’s why I said it’s understandable that he assumed, but not excusable. But I don’t think that makes him out for blood in this instance.

by daniel81 on Oct 30, 2009 5:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

… I don’t think he’s out for blood, and I don’t think he intended to get it wrong at all. But you have to own up to what is on the page, regardless of your intentions.

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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 30, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I mean I hate to say it

But if the Pattersons didn’t want the attention of the infamous truck, they should probably scold young Patrick for talking about it in front of reporters in the first place.

by daniel81 on Oct 30, 2009 5:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well ...

… look, that’s not fair and you know it.

Reporters owe players the same kind of respect they would give other adults in similar situations, and even if Patterson was talking about it, that doesn’t mean he was providing Tipton or anyone else with poetic license for a news piece (hint—that’s an obvious oxymoron).

I don’t think Tipton meant to be disrespectful. I think he was trying to add color to his piece and just blew it. It happens. Anyone who has ever written for public consumption has done something similar. Just own up to it and let the outrage die a natural death.

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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 30, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know

But what sucks is life isn’t fair. If you’re a big time athlete, reporters and reporter wannabees will use whatever you say against you. Look at Michael Phelps. For all we know, other reporters were whispering about pat’s truck and Tipton asked him to clear the air and was maybe trying to help out.
Yeah, that probably didn’t happen.

by daniel81 on Oct 30, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And for all we know ...

… Tipton made it up just to piss off the Pattersons. Do you believe that? I don’t.

So why don’t we stick to the likely and stay away from the unlikely.

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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 31, 2009 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One hundred forty-three comments about a tempest in a teapot!!!!

My, my! Have we not come to expect sensationalism from many media outlets? “Man bites dog” still makes news, regardless of the intent or sympathies of the writer. I don’t personally give a hoot whether Tipton likes/hates/adores/loathes the Wildcats. And I also don’t give a hoot whether the moral compasses in our little community issue condescending remarks to those who support and root for the team. I’m sure their intellectual superiority is just another attempt to set themselves apart from the crowd. A little “shunning”, which I’ve been trying very hard to practice, might discourage abrasive, antagonistic, condescending comments.

On the other hand, there’s a football game tomorrow (for you Paris, plus the rest of us do secretly care about the pointy ball and UK’s team) and basketball season starts soon.

No moral victories--it's all about Ws and Ls!!!

by oldcat'69 on Oct 30, 2009 6:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It wasn't really 143 comments about a "tempest in a teapot".

Or even really specifically about a local hack sports reporter. For me, it was more about the progression of quotes from Patterson’s mother from the frustrations of the KSR quotes, to the Larry Vaught quotes, thanking the fans for their support.

After all, Tywanna Patterson would get a lot of people’s votes for “second favorite mom in the Bluegrass” right now… :-)
  

by Sonic on Oct 30, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Can't Believe I Read The Whole Thing

But I did. Daniel 81 you have shown a great ability to split hairs on journalistic standards, especially the part where you admitted you hadn’t even read the article you were defending.

That was superior sophistry, in my humble and uninformed opinion.

Could you please give your analysis of the small mistakes made by Jayson Blair and Dan Rather that garnered them such massive public opprobrium?

Hold on just a sec while I get myself a cup of hot cocoa and get settled in my favorite chair. This aught to be good…

by MTCAT on Oct 30, 2009 7:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He has to go!

When is the public hanging of Tipton scheduled? I’m in Florida and I don’t want to miss it.
It he ain’t ‘rah, rah’ enough, it time to eliminate all of his kind to make this a better world.

I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.

by ParisGuy on Oct 31, 2009 10:54 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This discussion has been building up for 3 years.

I am not a fan of Tipton. Generally, when I read his articles, I expect the Tipton “shadow of gloom” to be cast upon whatever UK basketball related article. Fine. I have come to expect nothing less.

Tipton should know that criticism of the Big Blue Nation’s favorite team will be met with exponentially greater criticism from the BBN. I believe that a beat writer has a difficult job to do; 1.) remain unbiased in their view of the local team while 2.)entertaining their paying readers who are typically fans of the local team. Tipton should understand this. The only difference is, Jerry has found that he garners more attention to himself locally AND nationally when he brings up controversial topics. The negative undertones in his articles act like fishing lures looking for hits.

The only drawback to his style is that when you start making stuff up, you tarnish your reputation. Negative undertones are a way of insinuating without actually saying what everyone else is thinking. The belief that Tipton is a negative writer by the majority of BBN means that when he does mess one up, he is going to get pounded by our fanbase. He should expect nothing less.

I don’t think he even cares. He’s a grumpy man who loves the attention. He keeps his job because he helps Kentucky.com sell ads. Think about how many times our beloved blogs have linked his articles to prove how negative he can be. He is probably the king of hits on kentucky.com.

Personally, I would love it if Tipton left the LHL. I think UK fans in central Ky deserve to have a beat writer who does it right (see Vaught, Larry). However, Jerry is going no where unless he continues to write factually incorrect articles.

by goinss1 on Oct 31, 2009 11:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Considering the past

Columns by tipton, I can understand why many feel the way they do. My point was in this instance and this one only, it didn’t appear he was out to get anybody to me. I just didn’t think it was a big deal. I would say for all topics-politics, sports, education…-I prefer a neutral reporter. Not one that loves or hates the subjects they cover. But with subjective human behavior, it’s not common.

by daniel81 on Nov 1, 2009 11:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

daniel, paris

I’ve got a few things which have been thus far glazed over that might help put things in perspective. At the beginning and throughout the article, as noted here, Tipton essentially made incorrect assumptions and, inadvertent or not, implied mischief with regards to the big, shiny, new truck.

However that is not the only implication and fabrication in the article – the last line of the piece notes that two top prospects sat in the front row watching the action, from which vantage point they could hear the fans chanting their names. This sentence gives a great segue back to the rest of the article and the complaints that many of the commenters on this board have had; in an earlier article Tipton referenced a minor NCAA ByLaw violation saying that, in effect, fans cannot chant the names of recruits or have signs or posters featuring their names or likenesses therein.

Quoting Tipton: “One hopes the possible secondary NCAA rules violations committed by the crowd when it chanted prospects’ names were a misstep to be written off to runaway zeal. That happened four times, each an apparent violation of NCAA rule 13.11.4 which forbids the chanting of prospects’ names at an event open to the public.”

Later this statement was proven to be false – not only is there no ByLaw 13.11.4(an innocent misquote), but the actual law itself(13.10.5) talks about member institution not publicizing a recruits visit. People who happen to have a ticket to go to Big Blue Madness/ the Blue/White Scrimmage aren’t considered to be included in a member institution. Yet here he makes the case that they are in violation, and later – in the article originally in question – says outright that the recruits could hear their names being chanted by the fans, clearly implying back to his own article and insinuating wrongdoing.

If it were merely a typo or two, this would be no big deal; Jerry, however, has a history of transgression upon the Kentucky fan base and program, including his huge claim to fame in a Pulitzer which he pulled out of the gut of the basketball program he had just disemboweled, in the late 1980s. To preemptively address Paris, it’s not that I want anyone to be a cheerleader, it’s that if there isn’t a fire, why start one? There’s no good reason to continually dig around as Tipton does, trying to pick out things that aren’t there and report on things that either aren’t true or are factually inaccurate. Unless you’ve been greatly rewarded for it in the past(and if Tipton can’t let go of his Pulitzer from the 1980s then maybe he shouldn’t be reporting anyway) or are trying to bring an organization down for whatever reason due to some secret agenda, why would you go to the trouble and put your neck on the chopping block?

Look at John Clay – while he applauds Kentucky where they do things well, he is in no sense a cheerleader, faulting them when they deserve to be faulted. Clay doesn’t insinuate and undercut in a deliberately sensationalist fashion, nor does he feel the need to use irrelevant tangent to spice up his work. His good writing and ear for decent journalism is what he uses and so he has remained among fan favorites, certainly on the LHL staff.

Since the day he got his fifteen minutes of Pulitzer limelight, Jerry Tipton has been begging for attention through the use of underhanded whispers, rumors and innuendo. He reports the skeletal facts(well, sometimes it’s the facts) while injecting the vile, toxic slant he so adores into his work, pointing fingers and tripping up wherever he can. Look at Azabuike(his dad’s problems are a mirror to his son!), Rondo(where’d he get that car?), and now Patterson(a new truck – time to make sh*t up!) for recent examples off the top of my head. It’s sickening.

by lexingtoon on Nov 2, 2009 2:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs


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