Punked by "One-And-Done"
The honest move by Stern would have been to keep the old rule in place. Raising the age actually flew in the face of statistics showing that drafted high school players were relatively successful on and off the court. Did anyone truly believe that sending them off to college for a year would make any real difference, emotionally or academically?
Stern raised the age in large part because N.B.A. owners and general managers resented the amount of time it took to train players straight out of high school. He did it because owners did not like the possibility of players becoming free agents, able to join any other team in the league, in their early 20s. My guess is that he also did it to appease the National Collegiate Athletic Association; you could hear the whining that the N.B.A.’s version of cradle-robbing was denying the college game great players who could sell out
Buzz Bissinger, author of "Friday Night Lights" and LeBron James "Shooting Star" reverses his decision on the NBA's "19-Year Old" rule and suggests David Stern do the same. If you'll risk being corrupted by reading the NYT you'll find it interesting.
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Being a fan of
college sports, I enjoy getting to see the studs at least a year before they go pro but being an American, I feel if an 18 year old is good enough to be drafted, they should have the right to go pro. They can serve our country in the military, but they can’t play pro ball? That’s just not right.
by Grasslands1 on Oct 27, 2009 9:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope Stern chokes on the rule myself
He knew when he did it he was simply cow-towing to the owners. And Grasslands said it best….old enough to vote, old enough to carry a gun, and old enough to serve your country in the military….old enough to play in the NBA……or any other profession for that matter.
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by ALLBLUCAT on Oct 27, 2009 9:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You mean both Stern ...
… and the NBA player’s association, right?
It takes at least two to make an agreement. Just making sure we got that straight.
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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 28, 2009 7:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
like the NCAA????
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by ALLBLUCAT on Oct 28, 2009 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What does the NCAA have to do with it?
They have no control over it at all. It is all about the Collective Bargaining Agreement between the NBA and the Player’s Association.
What exactly is the NCAA doing that is blameworthy here?
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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 28, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tru, you can read any number of posts and articles that
show where the NCAA receives great gain by the NBA applying this rule. Not just amateur journalists are pointing fingers, the professionals are as well….the nice part for them is that they dont have to do a thing….they just sit back and reap the rewards.
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by ALLBLUCAT on Oct 28, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay ...
… so what you are telling me is that because the NCAA benefits from the rule, they are guilty of complicity in some kind of conspiracy with the NBA and the NBA Players’ Association?
Or are they just guilty by dint of the fact they obtain a benefit they had nothing to do with creating, and have no control over now?
If I receive benefits due to some company policy that I had nothing to do with creating, does that make me a co-conspirator in its creation? I hardly think so.
Look, we all reap rewards we have not directly earned. Who would argue that our very freedom is not the result of the labor of others? Are we bad people for accepting benefits that we had nothing to do with creating, and have not earned? Nobody I know would think so.
Let’s blame the blameworthy – the NBA and the Players Association. The NCAA is not blameworthy in this case. Leave them out of it. I don’t love the NCAA by any means, but let’s not go looking for extra ways to hate them – there are plenty of reasons already. :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 28, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, they are guilty of nothing.....
as I have quoted before, “They Are All Honorable Men”……
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by ALLBLUCAT on Oct 28, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well ...
… I wouldn’t go quite that far … :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 28, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bissinger Had Other Thoughts
My guess is that he also did it to appease the National Collegiate Athletic Association; you could hear the whining that the N.B.A.’s version of cradle-robbing was denying the college game great players who could sell out
Just so we don’t succumb to the suggestion that only we, the ASoB portion of the unwashed masses, are the only ones who dare question the sanctity of the NCAA in the matter, Bissinger, with more knowledge than the usual fan, suggests possible collusion.
"Learn(ing) without thinking begets ignorance. Think(ing) without learning is dangerous."
-Confucius
by Wild Weasel on Oct 28, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah ...
… but that’s not surprising. He’s come to bury Caesar, not to praise him.
Look, Bissinger may be right that the NCAA is cheerleading the situation, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they are. That’s not “collusion,” though, Bissinger’s comments notwithstanding. It’s just a conspiracy theory, of which we seem to have more than our share lately around here.
Must be the season.
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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 28, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was a shot at me......lol
just in case anyone didnt know…..lol
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by ALLBLUCAT on Oct 28, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's Subpoena Phone Records
Surely Stern and Brand visited regarding the ramifications.
"Learn(ing) without thinking begets ignorance. Think(ing) without learning is dangerous."
-Confucius
by Wild Weasel on Oct 28, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
or drink. ;-)
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by KentuckyCane on Oct 27, 2009 11:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think ...
… Bissinger makes a compelling, rational argument. I would totally support returning to drafting kids right out of high school.
In fact, I would like to see it work like this — all kids may declare themselves eligible out of high school. If the kid hires an agent and is undrafted and wants to go to college, he must repay 100% of all money accepted from any agents and provide proof of that. He may then play in college but cannot be eligible for the draft again for 4 years. This is a one-time deal. He may not enter prep school after high school and get a second bite at the apple.
If the kid decides not to enter the draft out of high school (or prep school), he may do so at any time thereafter. When he does declare after entering college, his amateur status is forfeit — no more “testing the waters.” The paying back of the agent thing is a one-time, out of high school deal. There are no more Randolph Morrises — once you declare, you might as well sign an agent because your amateur status is revoked at that point.
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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 28, 2009 7:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A complex solution cannot work -- Make it 2 and done
This gives the kid another year to mature and hone his skills.
The NBA has another year to evaluate a player.
The Athletic Associations have another year to profit from a gifted amateur.
It prevents the student-athlete from “… retaining their first year’s college eligibility without ever going to a class after their first semester.” (Bobbie Knight paraphrase in linked article)
It may even help instill a value for education in the student and allow him to finish an Associates Degree.
I agree with Stern on this. Two and Done
It’s pragmatic.
The NBA — Player’s Association — NCAA — Behemoth is far too big for more than a baby step.
ALSO, my dear sisters and brothers in Big Blue Land: Imagine knowing that Wall, Cousins, Bledsoe, etal — would be with us for TWO years. With that class as Sophomore’s, GOD might fear our future. Go Big Blue, right??
Footnote: Prayer to God
“Cincy: No offense to you, God
God: None taken
Cincy: Shwewh :)”
No matter where you're at, there you are
by cincyblue on Oct 28, 2009 2:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I sure am glad that I didn't
have to stay in college one or two years to earn a living in the land of the free. I had a full ride and left after one semester for a better opportunity. Yes, I would of been able to go back if things didn’t work out, but by no means should anybody have to go to college to pursue their dreams. We as selfish fans love to see the guys have to play at least one year in college, but to make it two is just wrong. Football is a little different because of the size, but basketball is not IMO. Plus in pro ball with the investment the team has they can mentor the player, in college you can’t even watch them practice most of the year.
by Grasslands1 on Oct 28, 2009 11:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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